Are those typical Turkish results? (MyHeritage)

[whoibe]

What do you think? Surnames are Turkish.

#1 (says they're northern Turkish)
90.8% - West Asia
4.8% - English
4.4% - North and West European

#2
85.5% - West Asia
10% - Middle Eastern
3.5% - Ashkenazi Jewish
1% - Greek and South Italian

#3
87.3% - West Asia
8.1% - North African
3.3% - Irish, Scottish and Welsh

#4
76.5% - West Asia
13.5% - Greek and South Italian
9.2% - North African

[LittleBeyond]

Turks score Central Asian these are Kurdish results.

[whoibe]

Turks score Central Asian these are Kurdish results.

#1 explicitly says they're Northern Turkish from Samsun-Amasya

[LittleBeyond]

#1 explicitly says they're Northern Turkish from Samsun-Amasya

I don't believe everything I read. Every single Turk has got at least 1%-10% Central Asian.

Unless these people you posted are from North East Turkey then these people would be Armenians.

https://i.hizliresim.com/vEB25v.png

[whoibe]

I don't believe everything I read. Every single Turk has got at least 1%-10% Central Asian.

Unless these people you posted are from North East Turkey then these people would be Armenians.


Is North African/Middle Eastern typical for Kurds though? The following also all have Turkish names:

#5
82.1% - West Asia
10.2% - Italian
4.7% - Greek and South Italian
3% - South Asian

#6
68.4% - West Asia
17.4% - Middle Eastern
9.3% - North Africa
4.1% - Ashkenazi

#7
89.4% - West Asia
7.9% - Green and South Italian
1.5% - South Asian
1.2% - Ashkenazi

#8
69.7% - West Asia
10.2% - North Africa
9.5% - Greek and South Italian
4% - Middle East
5.5% - Italian

#9
75.1% - West Asia
11.3% - Irish, Scottish and Welsh
8.9% - Middle East
2.2% - Ashkenazi
1.7% - Italian

[Kyp]

Turks score Central Asian these are Kurdish results.

Kurds score South Asian

[Hapanuwa]

If these people are ethnically Turk, they should have some Central Asian. Furthermore, I think that Middle Eastern is more prominent among Kurds than Turks, even though both can score some percentages.

My MyHeritage results:
35,3% West Asian
23.5% Italian
14.3% Greek and South Italian
9.9% Central Asian
9.2% Middle Eastern
7% North-West European
0.8% Eskimo/Inuit

[Aileron]

Nope

[Kyp]

If these people are ethnically Turk, they should have some Central Asian. Furthermore, I think that Middle Eastern is more prominent among Kurds than Turks, even though both can score some percentages.

My MyHeritage results:
35,3% West Asian
23.5% Italian
14.3% Greek and South Italian
9.9% Central Asian
9.2% Middle Eastern
7% North-West European
0.8% Eskimo/Inuit

Middle eastern is equally prominent in Turks and Kurds. Kurds are Iranic therfore WestAsian predominantly

[Kyp]

My father (Azeri Turk from Iran)

West-Asian: 80,8%
Central-Asian: 8,3%
Greek & South Italian: 5,5%
South-Asian: 5,4%

[whoibe]

Hmm, looking at my matches with Turkish surnames I've found just one that scores any Central Asian, would you say this one is Turkish or also likely Kurdish?

50.9% - West Asian
21.7% - Italian
20% - Middle Eastern
6% - Ashkenazi
1.4% - Central Asian

[Aileron]

Hmm, looking at my matches with Turkish surnames I've found just one that scores any Central Asian, would you say this one is Turkish or also likely Kurdish?

50.9% - West Asian
21.7% - Italian
20% - Middle Eastern
6% - Ashkenazi
1.4% - Central Asian

From what i know Turks would hardly score any middle eastern but West Asian

[LittleBeyond]

Hmm, looking at my matches with Turkish surnames I've found just one that scores any Central Asian, would you say this one is Turkish or also likely Kurdish?

50.9% - West Asian
21.7% - Italian
20% - Middle Eastern
6% - Ashkenazi
1.4% - Central Asian

Yeah they look typical Turkish results. Middle Eastern is not rare among them. BTW, Middle Eastern in MyHeritgae is a Bedouin reference.

[Aileron]

Yeah they look typical Turkish results. Middle Eastern is not rare among them. BTW, Middle Eastern in MyHeritgae is a Bedouin reference.

i doubt that any Turk would have middle eastern or bedouin(really?) maybe except some ethnic Kurds and Arabs who live in border cities with middle eastern countries

[LittleBeyond]

i doubt that any Turk would have middle eastern or bedouin(really?) maybe except some ethnic Kurds and Arabs who live in border cities with middle eastern countries

I don't think any Arab or Kurd would have 1% Central Asian. It's definitely Turkish results probably from South Turkey

[Aileron]

I don't think any Arab or Kurd would have 1% Central Asian. It's definitely Turkish results probably from South Turkey

Its just a little component i probably have much more central asian as i am a Yörük.

Southeast part of the country may have some genetic kindship to the south maybe i am not really sure

and genetic drifts in Turkey depends on the region as a Turk from Thrace(Balkan Turks) wouldnt score even West Asian let alone middle eastern whereas a Kurd from southeast would score high west asian

[whoibe]

I don't think any Arab or Kurd would have 1% Central Asian. It's definitely Turkish results probably from South Turkey

I get 2.1% South and 1.3% Central Asian

[Aileron]

I get 2.1% South and 1.3% Central Asian

Congrats broo you are Turk too lol joke :)
Anyways i am going to get my genetic tests in short time and i will share it in here too

[LittleBeyond]

I get 2.1% South and 1.3% Central Asian

You seem to have Turkish ancestors because you're a little bit West Asian shifted

[LittleBeyond]

My friend works in MyHeritage factory, they used Kurds for the samples of West Asian and Bedouins from Negev for Middle Eastern. So it really just tells you that Turks are close to Kurds[?] because Turks get a lot of West Asian.

[whoibe]

You seem to have Turkish ancestors because you're a little bit West Asian shifted

You think so? The last match I posted is the only one of 2 matches (at all) that scores any Central Asian. Other one:

48.3% - Greek and South Italian
17.4% - West Asian
11.9% - Central Asian
19.8% - East Europe
2.6% - North and West Europe

I share a 23 cM segment with match #1 (90.8% West Asian, 9.2% North and West Europe). I get 2.6 or 5.4% West Asian depending on kit.

[Aileron]

My friend works in MyHeritage factory, they used Kurds for the samples of West Asian and Bedouins from Negev for Middle Eastern. So it really just tells you that Turks are close to Kurds[?] because Turks get a lot of West Asian.

as i said it depends on the region.

[Kyp]

i doubt that any Turk would have middle eastern or bedouin(really?) maybe except some ethnic Kurds and Arabs who live in border cities with middle eastern countries

Turks don't score less Middle-eastern than Kurds. Common misconception. Maybe less than Iraqi Kurds but not than Turkish or Iranian Kurds. Kurds are Iranic people not arab. Most Kurds just score +85% West Asian + some South Asian.
But yes no Central Asian would be strange for a Turk. Western Turks and Azerbaijanis score Central Asian usually.

[Aileron]

Turks don't score less Middle-eastern than Kurds. Common misconception. Maybe less than Iraqi Kurds but not than Turkish or Iranian Kurds. Kurds are Iranic people not arab. Most Kurds just score +85% West Asian + some South Asian.
But yes no Central Asian would be strange for a Turk. Western Turks and Azerbaijanis score Central Asian usually.

Whatever you say my friend i am not an expert on these genetic tests you may have more information about these kind of topics.

I am planning to do a genetic tests in the future and i will probably share it in here

[Kyp]

Whatever you say my friend i am not an expert on these genetic tests you may have more information about these kind of topics.

I am planning to do a genetic tests in the future and i will probably share it in here

Looking forward to it qardashim

[Aileron]

Looking forward to it qardashim

i would probably have high central asian component in it. Probably more than Turkish avarage

[Kyp]

i would probably have high central asian component in it. Probably more than Turkish avarage

What's your ancestry?

[Aileron]

What's your ancestry?

Mostly Western Anatolian Yörüks

[Kyp]

Mostly Western Anatolian Yörüks

Yes then I would assume so.

[Kaspias]

Who cares Myheritage

[whoibe]

Who cares Myheritage

I asked the closest match to upload to Gedmatch but no luck lol.. Pretty frustrating as 23 cM is pretty close. Would be interesting to see what matches we have in common. A Turkish ancestor from Ottoman times wouldn't be so odd perhaps but a Kurdish one would be surprising. Could I have a non-Kurdish common ancestor with the 90% West Asian match?

[whoibe]

Hmm, looking at my matches with Turkish surnames I've found just one that scores any Central Asian, would you say this one is Turkish or also likely Kurdish?

50.9% - West Asian
21.7% - Italian
20% - Middle Eastern
6% - Ashkenazi
1.4% - Central Asian


i doubt that any Turk would have middle eastern or bedouin(really?) maybe except some ethnic Kurds and Arabs who live in border cities with middle eastern countries

Seems like you might be on to something as the match I quoted above does indeed come from near the Syrian border (Hatay Province)

[Zoro]

What do you think? Surnames are Turkish.

#1 (says they're northern Turkish)
90.8% - West Asia
4.8% - English
4.4% - North and West European

#2
85.5% - West Asia
10% - Middle Eastern
3.5% - Ashkenazi Jewish
1% - Greek and South Italian

#3
87.3% - West Asia
8.1% - North African
3.3% - Irish, Scottish and Welsh

#4
76.5% - West Asia
13.5% - Greek and South Italian
9.2% - North African

I don’t think they’re Kurdish. Like Kyp said the Kurdish results have S. Asian. I’ve seen 3 Kurdish results from Iraq and the lowest S. Asian was 5.5%. I’ve personally not tested with them but their results don’t seem too accurate based on what i saw for parent-child combos.

Turks should score some C. Asian. Maybe Armenians?

[Zoro]

Actually it’s possible they are Turkish if they used Turks as W.Asian references. In this case a Turk similar to one of those references wouldn’t score any C.Asian but would score something like 85 or 90% W.Asian

[Elias.99]

African

North african
51,9%

Nigerian
1,8%


West asian

25,1%

Central asian

1,7%

Middle-eastern

10,6%

European

Iberian
3,4%

Italian
3,2%

America

Mesoamerican and Amerindian
2,3%

I scored central-asian and west-asian does it mean my ancestors were turk?

[Negah]

Turks score Central Asian these are Kurdish results.

Does every Turk score Central Asian ancestry? I don't think that would be the case.

[Negah]

Turks should score some C. Asian. Maybe Armenians?

I don't believe every Turk will have C Asian ancestry? The conversion of language is not always through genetics.

[whoibe]

I don’t think they’re Kurdish. Like Kyp said the Kurdish results have S. Asian. I’ve seen 3 Kurdish results from Iraq and the lowest S. Asian was 5.5%. I’ve personally not tested with them but their results don’t seem too accurate based on what i saw for parent-child combos.

Turks should score some C. Asian. Maybe Armenians?

I posted a few more matches on the first page, a couple of them have South Asian, what do you think: https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?311989-Are-those-typical-Turkish-results-(MyHeritage)&p=6434776&viewfull=1#post6434776

[Kyp]

African

North african
51,9%

Nigerian
1,8%


West asian

25,1%

Central asian

1,7%

Middle-eastern

10,6%

European

Iberian
3,4%

Italian
3,2%

America

Mesoamerican and Amerindian
2,3%

I scored central-asian and west-asian does it mean my ancestors were turk?

West-Asian is not turk. I think Syrians score like 50% West Asian on MyHeritage. The central asian part could indicate some Turkmen ancestry down the line.

[Zoro]

I posted a few more matches on the first page, a couple of them have South Asian, what do you think: https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?311989-Are-those-typical-Turkish-results-(MyHeritage)&p=6434776&viewfull=1#post6434776

It’s possible that #5 maybe Kurdish. It’s hard to tell without knowing exactly who they used as W. Asian references. Thats the problem with all these admixture tests. The east or south Asian % will change based on who they use asW. Asian references. Use IBD with kurds for Kurdish ancestry or with C. Asians if you want to know how much C. Asian don’t use these admixture tests.

[Kyp]

Does every Turk score Central Asian ancestry? I don't think that would be the case.

Obviouly not. Just on anthroforums these people are getting labelled as non-ethnic Turks. This almost holds no value in reality.

[Negah]

Kurds score South Asian

Are Kurds that homogeneous? Is there not variations between them?

[Kyp]

Are Kurds that homogeneous? Is there not variations between them?

From what I've seen almost all Kurds/Iranians score south asian

[Negah]

From what I've seen almost all Kurds/Iranians score south asian

I know but the amount can surely vary. Kurds are not as homogenous as people think.

[whoibe]

From what I've seen almost all Kurds/Iranians score south asian

This video (https://youtu.be/Zc7Dfs3nmg4) has some Kurdish results. Bold ones have no South Asian.


97.1% - West Asian
2.1% - Middle Eastern
0.8% - Finnish

92.6% - West Asian
5.7% - Greek
1.7% - Middle Eastern

90.3% - West Asian
4.0% - Ireland, Scotland and Wales
3.2% - South Asian
2.5% - Middle East

74.2% - West Asian
5.2% - Ashkenazi
5.2% - North African
3.5% - Scandinavian
11.9% - Other ethnicities (including South Asian)

88% - West Asian
6.1% - North African
3% - Middle Eastern
2.9% - Greek

75.7% - West Asian
11.3% - Greek
5.7% - North African
4.7% - South Asian
2.6% - Other ethnicities (seems to include Irish/Scottish/..)

86.6% - West Asian
5.9% - Middle Eastern
4% - Scandinavian
2.4% - South Asian
0.9% - Balkan

89.9% - West Asian
5.7% - Ashkenazi
4.4% - Middle Eastern

[Leto]

I know but the amount can surely vary. Kurds are not as homogenous as people think.
I'd like to see Kurdish Gedmatch from Diyarbakır and Şanlıurfa, that kind of places.

[whoibe]

Does Central Asian mean Turkic on MH or can it also mean Indo-Iranian?

[Leto]

Does Central Asian mean Turkic on MH or can it also mean Indo-Iranian?
The Central Asian is a mostly Mongoloid component but not 100%, I believe. Russians can get up to 15% CA from what I've seen. Usually 5% or so. I wouldn't put too much trust in that test through.

[whoibe]

The Central Asian is a mostly Mongoloid component but not 100%, I believe. Russians can get up to 15% CA from what I've seen. Usually 5% or so. I wouldn't put too much trust in that test through.

What about Central Asia on FTDNA? It gives me 2% South Central Asian and traces of Northeast as well as Southeast Asia but no Central Asian

[Leto]

What about Central Asia on FTDNA? It gives me 2% South Central Asian and traces of Northeast as well as Southeast Asia but no Central Asian
On FTDNA it's mostly based on Pakistan and North India for a weird reason.

[OrhanU]

MyHeritage Results (I am Turkish)

Greek and South Italian
51.0%

East European
25.6%

Baltic
2.7%

West Asian
18.5%

Central Asian
2.2%

[whoibe]

MyHeritage Results (I am Turkish)

Greek and South Italian
51.0%

East European
25.6%

Baltic
2.7%

West Asian
18.5%

Central Asian
2.2%

The fact that Turkish people still get only in the vicinity of 5% central asian makes me think my 1.2% is comparatively too high. I know it's not the most reliable site but WeGene assigns me 6.4% South Asian (Sindhi 5.6%, rest Bengali) and 4.32% Central Asian (Uzbek). Perhaps I have both a Turkish and a Kurdish (or Armenian? though the last names aren't Armenian) ancestor?

[Zoro]

This video (https://youtu.be/Zc7Dfs3nmg4) has some Kurdish results. Bold ones have no South Asian.


97.1% - West Asian
2.1% - Middle Eastern
0.8% - Finnish

92.6% - West Asian
5.7% - Greek
1.7% - Middle Eastern

90.3% - West Asian
4.0% - Ireland, Scotland and Wales
3.2% - South Asian
2.5% - Middle East

74.2% - West Asian
5.2% - Ashkenazi
5.2% - North African
3.5% - Scandinavian
11.9% - Other ethnicities (including South Asian)

88% - West Asian
6.1% - North African
3% - Middle Eastern
2.9% - Greek

75.7% - West Asian
11.3% - Greek
5.7% - North African
4.7% - South Asian
2.6% - Other ethnicities (seems to include Irish/Scottish/..)

86.6% - West Asian
5.9% - Middle Eastern
4% - Scandinavian
2.4% - South Asian
0.9% - Balkan

89.9% - West Asian
5.7% - Ashkenazi
4.4% - Middle Eastern

If those guys getting more than 90% west Asian are Turkish kurds then that means they used Turkish kurds for west Asian references then that means there is no chance that they will get any south or central Asian because they’re too much like the references lol
Not good idea too be too much like references because then you can’t see anything else

[Zoro]

The fact that Turkish people still get only in the vicinity of 5% central asian makes me think my 1.2% is comparatively too high. I know it's not the most reliable site but WeGene assigns me 6.4% South Asian (Sindhi 5.6%, rest Bengali) and 4.32% Central Asian (Uzbek). Perhaps I have both a Turkish and a Kurdish (or Armenian? though the last names aren't Armenian) ancestor?

Do you get close distance with kurds in oracles

[kalach]

Turks don't score less Middle-eastern than Kurds. Common misconception. Maybe less than Iraqi Kurds but not than Turkish or Iranian Kurds. Kurds are Iranic people not arab. Most Kurds just score +85% West Asian + some South Asian.
But yes no Central Asian would be strange for a Turk. Western Turks and Azerbaijanis score Central Asian usually.

Tbh, I saw lots of Southern Kurds looking Semitic. I guess they must have some Arab admixture for sure. They were islamized by Arabs. Nordoiranid, proto iranid phenotypes are minority among most Kurdish populations.
I'm sure those Arab converters mixed with Kurds somehow. Therefore, they may have more middle eastern than ethnic Turks averagely.

[whoibe]

Do you get close distance with kurds in oracles

Yea, but not exclusively. Iranian, Turkish and Armenian also pop up.

MDLP k16
Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Jew_Algeria + Assyrian_Turkey + Jordanian_Jordanian + Jew_Syria @ 1.525923
2 Jew_Algeria + Armenian_Gavar + Jordanian_Jordanian + Jew_Syria @ 1.532442

Dodecad V3
Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Iranian_Dodecad + Jordanians_19_Behar + Sephardic_Jews_Behar + Egypt_Henn @ 1.758075
2 Egyptans_Behar + Iranian_Jews_Behar + Kurd_Dodecad + Sephardic_Jews_Behar @ 1.841912

PuntDNAL k15
Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Turk_Kayseri +25% Jordanian +25% Libyan @ 2.833267


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++
1 Sephardic_Jew + Azerbaijani + Iraqi_Jew + Yemenite_Jew @ 1.766698
2 Sephardic_Jew + Kurdish + Samaritian + Yemenese @ 1.798211
3 Sephardic_Jew + Iranian + Jordanian + Libyan @ 1.807997

puntDNAL k13
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 80% Jordanian + 20% Azerbaijan_Azeri @ 1.9
2 75.1% Jordanian + 24.9% Turkish_Kayseri @ 1.92
3 66.3% Palestinian + 33.7% Turkish_Kayseri @ 2.05

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Palestinian +25% Syrian +25% Turkish_Kayseri @ 1.950097


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Egyptian + Samaritan_Jew + Syrian + Turkish_Kayseri @ 1.819470
2 Egyptian + Jordanian + Lebanese_Druze + Turkish_Kayseri @ 1.841100

Dodecad k12b
Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Jordanians_Behar +25% Kurd_Dodecad +25% Morocco_Jews_Behar @ 2.464385


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Iranian_Dodecad + Morocco_Jews_Behar + Palestinian_HGDP + Palestinian_HGDP @ 1.938640
2 Iranians_Behar + Morocco_Jews_Behar + Palestinian_HGDP + Palestinian_HGDP @ 1.951763
3 Kurd_Dodecad + Morocco_Jews_Behar + Palestinian_HGDP + Palestinian_HGDP @ 2.014015

[waam]

My friend works in MyHeritage factory, they used Kurds for the samples of West Asian and Bedouins from Negev for Middle Eastern. So it really just tells you that Turks are close to Kurds[?] because Turks get a lot of West Asian.

What does he do there?