Classify Finno-Permic girl

[Ymyyakhtakh]

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Meta-ethnicity: Finno-Permic
Ethnicity: Finnish
Year born: 1991
Date of photos: 2015-2019

[Blondie]

Sibrid

[Laag]

Basically undifferentiated type.

[Voyt]

Savolaxid

[Voyt]

Basically undifferentiated type.

#HyperboreanMasterRace
https://img.4plebs.org/boards/pol/image/1474/23/1474233509560.png
Neegrows basically devolved from Finno-Ugrics; they are pigmented Finno-Ugrics; it all mex sens nao

[Morena]

Savolaxid

+1

[Laag]

In Coon's scheme probably pass as Eastern Upper Paleolithic that is similar to Bunak's Uralische race. I would say that this is what native Europeans looked like before the invasion of kebab-farmers in Europe, which started the process of racial mixing and degradation of Europeans.

[Voyt]

I would say that this is what native Europeans looked like before the invasion of kebab-farmers in Europe, which started the process of racial mixing and degradation of Europeans.

Except Scots, Norwegians, and Basques cluster the closest to Western-Hunter-Gatherer, which is more native European than Eastern-Hunter-Gatherer (which is more aptly named "Native Uralid")

[Columella]

Uralid maybe with overlap to a north eastern Euro type (east Baltic/savolax type/neo Danubian).

[The Great Uniter]

Her legs are rather attractive.

[Ymyyakhtakh]

Except Scots, Norwegians, and Basques cluster the closest to Western-Hunter-Gatherer, which is more native European than Eastern-Hunter-Gatherer" (which is more aptly named "Native Uralid")

Last time I checked WHG ancestry peaked in NEE:

https://cache.eupedia.com/images/content/European_hunter-gatherer_admixture.png
https://www.eupedia.com/europe/autosomal_maps_dodecad.shtml

Here are the populations with the highest WHG ancestry in a qpAdm model by Polako (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Rd332olbtYQs7dfVcEMnBCBRR0ILSLXCgDtZWm93XtA):

(WHG ancestry;population)
0.172;Latvian
0.156;Estonian
0.154;Lithuanian
0.15;Russian_West
0.144;Finnish
0.13;Russian_North
0.12;Belarusian
0.117;Polish
0.112;Swedish
0.104;Ukrainian_East
0.097;Norwegian
0.096;Basque_French
0.086;Scottish
0.085;Ukrainian_West
0.084;English
0.07;Hungarian
0.068;German
0.063;French
0.059;Spanish
0.044;Croatian
0.02;Udmurd
0.013;Romanian
0.012;Sardinian
0.005;Italian_Bergamo
0;Poltavka
0;Italian_WestSicilian
0;Italian_Tuscan
0;Italian_EastSicilian
0;Greek
0;Bulgarian
0;Albanian

[Voyt]

Last time I checked WHG ancestry peaked in NEE:

https://cache.eupedia.com/images/content/European_hunter-gatherer_admixture.png
https://www.eupedia.com/europe/autosomal_maps_dodecad.shtml

Here are the populations with the highest WHG ancestry in a qpAdm model by Polako (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Rd332olbtYQs7dfVcEMnBCBRR0ILSLXCgDtZWm93XtA):



The problem you don't seem to be seeing is that the chart you linked to separates WHG from both the Lengyel culture (i.e. that which came after LBK culture) and the Steppe culture, but that makes no sense because the very original WHGs intermixed with the arriving EEFs (who themselves were a product of ENF+WHG intermixing). So it makes no sense to isolate the label of WHG to those northeast Europeans that didn't intermix with the EEFs as much. The Steppe people also had WHG admixture, as they were the result of WHG+ANE+CaspianHG

So it isn't as simple as you're making it out to be. You have to compare modern populations directly to the very first Hunter Gatherers who lived in Europe before ANE and ENF came along. Look at which modern populations cluster closest to Loschbour Man and to LaBrana 1 & 2: https://i.imgur.com/t6tDzh5.png

Let me try to paint a better picture:
https://i.imgur.com/7QmWrwE.gif
@7000 BC lived WHG and EHG in Europe (but EHG was already a mix of WHG and ANE at that time)
https://i.imgur.com/j9f7CGU.gif
@4000 BC, EEF was formed from the intermixing of WHG and ENF
https://i.imgur.com/IlFLN05.gif
@3000 BC, Steppe Yamnaya which was formed from CaspianHG intermixing with EHG went further into Europe
https://i.imgur.com/PQn8Na0.gif
@2000 BC, WHG is seemingly gone, but EHG remains. This EHG is what the person who made your chart mistakes to be WHG. It's not pure WHG though.

[Ymyyakhtakh]

the very first Hunter Gatherers who lived in Europe before ANE and ENF came along

Isn't the oldest WHG something like Villabruna (~14k BP)? Kostenki14 (which is from a site about 500 km south of Moscow) was dated to ~37k BP, and it's autosomally similar to Mal'ta boy, even though it's about 13,000 years older:

https://i.imgur.com/LRNyfrK.jpg

Seguin-Orlando et al. 2014 (Genomic structure in Europeans dating back at least 36,200 years) (http://www.nielsenlab.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/Science-2014-Seguin-Orlando-1113-8.pdf):


We obtained a genome sequence from Kostenki 14 in European Russia dating from 38,700 to 36,200 years ago, one of the oldest fossils of anatomically modern humans from Europe. We find that Kostenki 14 shares a close ancestry with the 24,000-year-old Mal’ta boy from central Siberia, European Mesolithic hunter-gatherers, some contemporary western Siberians, and many Europeans, but not eastern Asians. Additionally, the Kostenki 14 genome shows evidence of shared ancestry with a population basal to all Eurasians that also relates to later European Neolithic farmers. We find that Kostenki 14 contains more Neandertal DNA that is contained in longer tracts than present Europeans. Our findings reveal the timing of divergence of western Eurasians and East Asians to be more than 36,200 years ago and that European genomic structure today dates back to the Upper Paleolithic and derives from a metapopulation that at times stretched from Europe to central Asia.

[Voyt]

Isn't the oldest WHG something like Villabruna (~14k BP)? Kostenki14 (which is from a site about 500 km south of Moscow) was dated to ~37k BP, and it's autosomally similar to Mal'ta boy, even though it's about 13,000 years older:


Seguin-Orlando et al. 2014 (Genomic structure in Europeans dating back at least 36,200 years) (http://www.nielsenlab.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/Science-2014-Seguin-Orlando-1113-8.pdf):


We obtained a genome sequence from Kostenki 14 in European Russia dating from 38,700 to 36,200 years ago, one of the oldest fossils of anatomically modern humans from Europe. We find that Kostenki 14 shares a close ancestry with the 24,000-year-old Mal’ta boy from central Siberia, European Mesolithic hunter-gatherers, some contemporary western Siberians, and many Europeans, but not eastern Asians. Additionally, the Kostenki 14 genome shows evidence of shared ancestry with a population basal to all Eurasians that also relates to later European Neolithic farmers. We find that Kostenki 14 contains more Neandertal DNA that is contained in longer tracts than present Europeans. Our findings reveal the timing of divergence of western Eurasians and East Asians to be more than 36,200 years ago and that European genomic structure today dates back to the Upper Paleolithic and derives from a metapopulation that at times stretched from Europe to central Asia.

Mal'ta boy was ANE, while Kostenki14 was WHG or maybe EHG, I don't know much about him. Kostenki14 lived 35,000-40,000BP
But there was a similar find in Belgium, called GoyetQ116-1, who lived 35,000BP
(under section Upper Paleolithic Europeans)
https://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/1805/1805.01579.pdf
Although apparently he was closer to neanderthals so maybe Kostenki14 is the closest ancestor to WHG

never mind, apparently Kostenki14 was ANE as well
I think they just haven't found an ancestor to WHG further back than Villabruna man, who was part of the Epigravettians: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epigravettian

[PaleoEuropean]

Savolaxid

Interesting, like the out of the box classification.

[Voyt]

Interesting, like the out of the box classification.

Do you mean like "custom-fit" ;)

[Ymyyakhtakh]

Mal'ta boy was ANE, while Kostenki14 was WHG or maybe EHG, I don't know much about him. Kostenki14 lived 35,000-40,000BP
But there was a similar find in Belgium, called GoyetQ116-1, who lived 35,000BP
(under section Upper Paleolithic Europeans)
https://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/1805/1805.01579.pdf
Although apparently he was closer to neanderthals so maybe Kostenki14 is the closest ancestor to WHG

never mind, apparently Kostenki14 was ANE as well
I think they just haven't found an ancestor to WHG further back than Villabruna man, who was part of the Epigravettians: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epigravettian

WHG are Mesolithic, and the Mesolithic is dated to ~15–5 kya in Europe.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_early_modern_humans:


The EEMH lineage in the European Mesolithic is also known as "West European Hunter-Gatherer" (WHG). These mesolithic hunter-gatherers emerge after the end of the LGM ca. 15 ka and are described as more gracile than the Upper Paleolithic Cro-Magnons.

Lazaridis 2018 (The evolutionary history of human populations in Europe) (https://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/1805/1805.01579.pdf):


Western European hunter-gatherers (WHG), first described in three sites of western Europe[16- 19] are now known to also have lived in southeastern Europe[20,21], Switzerland[22], the Baltics[21,23], and Italy[10]; the early example from Villabruna in Italy ~15kya [10] has given this population the alternative name "Villabruna cluster". The appearance of WHG ~15kya corresponds to the Bølling-Allerød interstadial warm period, and marked a genetic attraction of European and Near Eastern populations[10,24].

In the graph I posted, Kostenki14 is much closer to MA1 (ANE) than to Loschbour and La Braña (WHG).

From the paper I linked to in my previous post:


The largest fraction of K14's ancestry derives from a component that is maximized in European MHGs and also predominant in contemporary northern and eastern Europeans.

[...]

Within Europe, northern Europeans show the closest affinity to K14, based both on the f3 (Fig. 1D) and D statistics [e.g., Z = 6.7 for Sardinians and Lithuanians; table S7 and fig. S16]. This pattern closely resembles that of European MHGs (La Braña, Ajv58, Loschbour, and Motala) and Mal'ta (MA1) (figs. S14 and S15), with the exception of the latter's strong genetic affinity with Native Americans, which is unique to that individual. Furthermore, a direct comparison to ancient genomes in the outgroup f3 statistics shows that K14 has a higher affinity with MHGs (Loschbour and La Braña) than any other ancient individual or contemporary population (fig. S14). Together with the rare Y chromosome lineage shared with La Braña, these results provide strong evidence of shared ancestry and extensive gene flow between UP West Eurasian people related to K14 and European MHGs and their contemporary European descendants.

The paper also said "The yellow component that we label HG is maximized in eastern Europeans."

[Dick]

10/10

[Dick]

Interesting, like the out of the box classification.

Breeding with the woman would give you a chad crusher of the skulls army.

[Voyt]

WHG are Mesolithic, and the Mesolithic is dated to ~15–5 kya in Europe.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_early_modern_humans:


The EEMH lineage in the European Mesolithic is also known as "West European Hunter-Gatherer" (WHG). These mesolithic hunter-gatherers emerge after the end of the LGM ca. 15 ka and are described as more gracile than the Upper Paleolithic Cro-Magnons.

Lazaridis 2018 (The evolutionary history of human populations in Europe) (https://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/1805/1805.01579.pdf):


Western European hunter-gatherers (WHG), first described in three sites of western Europe[16- 19] are now known to also have lived in southeastern Europe[20,21], Switzerland[22], the Baltics[21,23], and Italy[10]; the early example from Villabruna in Italy ~15kya [10] has given this population the alternative name "Villabruna cluster". The appearance of WHG ~15kya corresponds to the Bølling-Allerød interstadial warm period, and marked a genetic attraction of European and Near Eastern populations[10,24].

In the graph I posted, Kostenki14 is much closer to MA1 (ANE) than to Loschbour and La Braña (WHG).

From the paper I linked to in my previous post:


The largest fraction of K14's ancestry derives from a component that is maximized in European MHGs and also predominant in contemporary northern and eastern Europeans.

[...]

Within Europe, northern Europeans show the closest affinity to K14, based both on the f3 (Fig. 1D) and D statistics [e.g., Z = 6.7 for Sardinians and Lithuanians; table S7 and fig. S16]. This pattern closely resembles that of European MHGs (La Braña, Ajv58, Loschbour, and Motala) and Mal'ta (MA1) (figs. S14 and S15), with the exception of the latter's strong genetic affinity with Native Americans, which is unique to that individual. Furthermore, a direct comparison to ancient genomes in the outgroup f3 statistics shows that K14 has a higher affinity with MHGs (Loschbour and La Braña) than any other ancient individual or contemporary population (fig. S14). Together with the rare Y chromosome lineage shared with La Braña, these results provide strong evidence of shared ancestry and extensive gene flow between UP West Eurasian people related to K14 and European MHGs and their contemporary European descendants.

The paper also said "The yellow component that we label HG is maximized in eastern Europeans."

I don't dispute anything written here, except for the very last sentence, which again is misleading (just like the very first chart you posted):

If you look at the actual maps and their labels:
https://i.imgur.com/R61E4pu.png
You'll see that they are directly comparing between an Mbuti Pygmy sample and the K14 sample, NOT "HG" (which is shown at its highest in Loschbour man, as I said from the beginning).
So yes, I fully agree that northeast Europeans have much higher affinity to K14, as compared to northwest Europeans. But again, that says nothing about the actual native populations of Europe, the closest of which was Loschbour man (well, he's the one we have the most full genome of I believe).
I then wondered why in the world the writers of the paper you linked to would be so misleading, so I looked at their names, and sure enough, I saw a bunch of Russian and east-euro names. Their deception truly knows no limit, lol.
For the future, I would recommend looking more carefully at every label of the content people try to peddle to you, because you never know their ulterior motives, which they may attempt to sneak in at any opportunity given to them in order to catch the masses off guard.

[Ymyyakhtakh]

Here are the 10 modern populations with the highest affinity for different ancient individuals from a spreadsheet by Davidski (http://eurogenes.blogspot.com/2016/05/on-modern-genetic-affinities-of-ice-age.html):

AfontovaGora3: Karitiana Ket Lithuanian Estonian Latvian Finnish Russian_Kargopol Erzya Moksha Russian
Anatolia_Neolithic: Sardinian Basque_French Italian_Bergamo Greek Kosovar Italian_Tuscan Montenegrin Macedonian Greek_Macedonia French
Bichon: Latvian Lithuanian Estonian Swedish Finnish Norwegian Belarusian Polish English Scottish
ElMironI0907: Latvian Lithuanian Estonian Finnish Swedish Belarusian Orcadian Basque_French Norwegian Ukrainian_Belgorod
GoyetQ116-1: Latvian Lithuanian Finnish Estonian Norwegian Swedish Ukrainian_Lviv Dutch Orcadian Polish
Kostenki14: Dutch Latvian Lithuanian Estonian Finnish Orcadian Polish English Norwegian Swedish
Kotias: Abkhasian Georgian Chechen Lezgin North_Ossetian Dutch Armenian Irish Orcadian Polish
Mal'ta1: Karitiana Ket Finnish Estonian Lithuanian Erzya Latvian Russian_Kargopol Moksha Russian
Satsurblia: Georgian Abkhasian Lezgin Chechen North_Ossetian Armenian Irish Orcadian Greek_Macedonia Swedish
Oase1: Karitiana Han Dai Japanese Nganassan Ket Papuan Paniya Finnish Estonian
Ust'-Ishim: Dai Karitiana Japanese Han Nganassan Ket Papuan Paniya Finnish Estonian
Vestonice16: Latvian Lithuanian Estonian Polish English Finnish Dutch Ukrainian_Belgorod Swedish Scottish
VillabrunaI9030: Latvian Lithuanian Estonian Finnish Swedish Polish Belarusian Norwegian English Orcadian

Anatolia_Neolithic, Kotias, and Satsurblia are wog/churka, so we can ignore them.

The highest-ranking population for 4 ancient individuals (AfontovaGora3, Mal'ta1, Oase1, and Ust'Ishim) was Native American, Siberian, or East Asian. However the highest-ranking European population for each 4 individuals was Northeast European (Lithuanians for AfontovaGora3 and Finns for Mal'ta1, Oase1, and Ust'Ishim).

The Dutch ranked first for Kostenki14, but the next highest-ranking populations were Latvians, Lithuanians, Estonians, and Finns.

For the other 5 ancient individuals (Bichon, ElMironI0907, GoyetQ116-1, Vestonice16, and VillabrunaI9030), Latvians were the highest-ranking population. The second and third highest-ranking populations were Lithuanians, Estonians, or Finns.

So if we ignore the ancient wog/churka individuals and the ancient individuals where the highest-ranking modern population was not European, Northeast Europe won 5-1 against Northwest Europe.


If you look at the actual maps and their labels:
https://i.imgur.com/R61E4pu.png
You'll see that they are directly comparing between an Mbuti Pygmy sample and the K14 sample, NOT "HG" (which is shown at its highest in Loschbour man, as I said from the beginning).
So yes, I fully agree that northeast Europeans have much higher affinity to K14, as compared to northwest Europeans. But again, that says nothing about the actual native populations of Europe, the closest of which was Loschbour man (well, he's the one we have the most full genome of I believe).

The statement "The yellow component that we label HG is maximized in eastern Europeans" wasn't about the F-statistics (Figure 1C and 1D) but about the admixture analysis (Figure 1B).

[Voyt]

Here are the 10 modern populations with the highest affinity for different ancient individuals from a spreadsheet by Davidski (http://eurogenes.blogspot.com/2016/05/on-modern-genetic-affinities-of-ice-age.html):

AfontovaGora3: Karitiana Ket Lithuanian Estonian Latvian Finnish Russian_Kargopol Erzya Moksha Russian
Anatolia_Neolithic: Sardinian Basque_French Italian_Bergamo Greek Kosovar Italian_Tuscan Montenegrin Macedonian Greek_Macedonia French
Bichon: Latvian Lithuanian Estonian Swedish Finnish Norwegian Belarusian Polish English Scottish
ElMironI0907: Latvian Lithuanian Estonian Finnish Swedish Belarusian Orcadian Basque_French Norwegian Ukrainian_Belgorod
GoyetQ116-1: Latvian Lithuanian Finnish Estonian Norwegian Swedish Ukrainian_Lviv Dutch Orcadian Polish
Kostenki14: Dutch Latvian Lithuanian Estonian Finnish Orcadian Polish English Norwegian Swedish
Kotias: Abkhasian Georgian Chechen Lezgin North_Ossetian Dutch Armenian Irish Orcadian Polish
Mal'ta1: Karitiana Ket Finnish Estonian Lithuanian Erzya Latvian Russian_Kargopol Moksha Russian
Satsurblia: Georgian Abkhasian Lezgin Chechen North_Ossetian Armenian Irish Orcadian Greek_Macedonia Swedish
Oase1: Karitiana Han Dai Japanese Nganassan Ket Papuan Paniya Finnish Estonian
Ust'-Ishim: Dai Karitiana Japanese Han Nganassan Ket Papuan Paniya Finnish Estonian
Vestonice16: Latvian Lithuanian Estonian Polish English Finnish Dutch Ukrainian_Belgorod Swedish Scottish
VillabrunaI9030: Latvian Lithuanian Estonian Finnish Swedish Polish Belarusian Norwegian English Orcadian

Anatolia_Neolithic, Kotias, and Satsurblia are wog/churka, so we can ignore them.

The highest-ranking population for 4 ancient individuals (AfontovaGora3, Mal'ta1, Oase1, and Ust'Ishim) was Native American, Siberian, or East Asian. However the highest-ranking European population for each 4 individuals was Northeast European (Lithuanians for AfontovaGora3 and Finns for Mal'ta1, Oase1, and Ust'Ishim).

The Dutch ranked first for Kostenki14, but the next highest-ranking populations were Latvians, Lithuanians, Estonians, and Finns.

For the other 5 ancient individuals (Bichon, ElMironI0907, GoyetQ116-1, Vestonice16, and VillabrunaI9030), Latvians were the highest-ranking population. The second and third highest-ranking populations were Lithuanians, Estonians, or Finns.

So if we ignore the ancient wog/churka individuals and the ancient individuals where the highest-ranking modern population was not European, Northeast Europe won 5-1 against Northwest Europe.


The statement "The yellow component that we label HG is maximized in eastern Europeans" wasn't about the F-statistics (Figure 1C and 1D) but about the admixture analysis (Figure 1B).

Ok, there's some compelling evidence there that Latvians/Lithuanians are the closest to WHG, even though there's no Loschbour man in that list you've provided, and I don't know how Villabruna was tested as I can't find any data on it. I just found this map that does isolate WHG to its purest state and Lithuanians are the most WHG there as well:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f1/European_DNA_admixture.png

I also found some other maps that contradict the above map and your information, but I don't know how reliable they are and if they're even testing the same thing:
https://i.imgur.com/fIo8FuY.png
https://i.imgur.com/r7obT5i.png
https://i.imgur.com/kvhl02z.png
https://i.imgur.com/9iMNzKI.png

I'm just gonna assume the above maps are testing for something else.
There are a few incongruities still present, though, that don't match up with all the information you've given. For one, if Latvians/Lithuanians are indeed closest to WHG, then they are still not examples of what the paleolithic broad-faced Kostenki14 man looked like.

Pics of Latvians, for example:
https://imgur.com/a/yFOco9V

These Latvians are pretty much mostly long-faced, as long-faced as English and Scots are. Ukrainians are a lot more broad-faced than Balts, and yet they have only a few points lower WHG. Which leads me to believe that WHG on average weren't any more or less broad-faced than Kostenki14 or NeolithicFarmers (also seeing as Armenians to this day have broad faces).

Also, I would be interested in knowing the precise sampling method used for the above map I posted or for the modern populations in your ancient comparisons you posted; the reason is that modern England and France have been mixed with Roman influence for millennia now and they have much higher population sizes than the Baltics, for instance, who were relatively isolated throughout history. So maybe the people doing these tests didn't sample Britain and France by region, for instance, and thus we don't know if individual regions of England have higher rates of WHG than the Baltics. After all, England has almost 30x the population of Latvia. I would be interested in seeing some more accurate studies, or maybe there are some already but they're behind a paywall. As it stands, all this info you've provided and I've provided aren't entirely conclusive, and even contradictory at times.

[Synapsid]

Isn't the oldest WHG something like Villabruna (~14k BP)? Kostenki14 (which is from a site about 500 km south of Moscow) was dated to ~37k BP, and it's autosomally similar to Mal'ta boy, even though it's about 13,000 years older:

https://i.imgur.com/LRNyfrK.jpg

Seguin-Orlando et al. 2014 (Genomic structure in Europeans dating back at least 36,200 years) (http://www.nielsenlab.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/Science-2014-Seguin-Orlando-1113-8.pdf):


We obtained a genome sequence from Kostenki 14 in European Russia dating from 38,700 to 36,200 years ago, one of the oldest fossils of anatomically modern humans from Europe. We find that Kostenki 14 shares a close ancestry with the 24,000-year-old Mal’ta boy from central Siberia, European Mesolithic hunter-gatherers, some contemporary western Siberians, and many Europeans, but not eastern Asians. Additionally, the Kostenki 14 genome shows evidence of shared ancestry with a population basal to all Eurasians that also relates to later European Neolithic farmers. We find that Kostenki 14 contains more Neandertal DNA that is contained in longer tracts than present Europeans. Our findings reveal the timing of divergence of western Eurasians and East Asians to be more than 36,200 years ago and that European genomic structure today dates back to the Upper Paleolithic and derives from a metapopulation that at times stretched from Europe to central Asia.

I will just rehash what I said to Token in another thread (since its was relevant).

Some say that there was deep split between Upper Paleolithic Europeans and Mesolithic Europeans/WHG/UHG. Although there are people who say that Villabruna cluster be just a mixture of Gravettian and ANE and I have to admit, it tempting such this model accept because WHG has phenotypic characteristics we should associate with an Hyperboean people who survived in the Harsh Ice age climate of Europe (such as Blue eyes). I have a hard time believing Blue eyes evolved in a West Asia Refugium (although the climate of Iranian plateau and Inner/Eastern Anatolia was cold in the last glacial maximum). But how do explain the occurrence of Villabruna related ancestry in the 36,000-23,000 kya Vestonice cluster/Gravettians if Villabruna was just a mixed epi-paleolithic component of ANE+Gravettian? Therefore there is another hypothesis which states that WHG belongs to a separate 'Common West Eurasian' group (a clade) that separated from Paleo-Europeans (Sunghir, Gravettians, Vestonice cluster etc) long ago and came from West Asia despite the fact it that lacked Basal Eurasian (or perhaps it came from epigravettians Balkan refugium). Currently I hold the view that there was deep split in Early West Eurasians that form two major clade. One clade is the Kostenki/Sunghir clade (call it KS-clade) that was ancestral to Ancient North Siberians (ANS-Yana), the Non East Eurasian Ancestry of ANE, the bulk of the Gravettian/Vestonice genepool in Europe. The other Clade is the 'Common West Eurasian' clade that was ancestral to WHG and UHG in Non-Basal Dzudzuana/Anatolian HG and Iran_N. Pure WHG survive somewhere in the harsh climate of Ice age Europe or North West Eurasia while Proto-WHG mixed with Paleoeuropeans to form the Gravettians and Magdelanians/El miron, and another population of Proto-WHG went South East into West Asia, mixed with Basals to form what Geneticist call PGNE (post Glacial Near Easterners). That is the only way I can make sense of the situation.

[Synapsid]

Mal'ta boy was ANE, while Kostenki14 was WHG or maybe EHG, I don't know much about him. Kostenki14 lived 35,000-40,000BP
But there was a similar find in Belgium, called GoyetQ116-1, who lived 35,000BP
(under section Upper Paleolithic Europeans)
https://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/1805/1805.01579.pdf
Although apparently he was closer to neanderthals so maybe Kostenki14 is the closest ancestor to WHG

never mind, apparently Kostenki14 was ANE as well
I think they just haven't found an ancestor to WHG further back than Villabruna man, who was part of the Epigravettians: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epigravettian

Kostenki is too young to be the ancestors of ANE because you also need to think about the Ancestral North Siberian aDNA found in Yana, which can be modelled as 76% Early West Eurasian that dates to 32,000 kya. ANS is very similar to ANE in genetic make up, although ANS was replaced by Amerindian like Ancient Paleo-Siberian (more East Asian). The West Eurasian affinity of both Yana/ANS and ANE seems to be very Sungir-Kostenki like, and distinct from WHG.