Lacreme's gedmatch

[Dorian]

Myheritage
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Eurogenes K13 Oracle results:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 27.04
2 West_Med 23.07
3 West_Asian 19.29
4 North_Atlantic 15.23
5 Baltic 10.37
6 Red_Sea 2.74
7 South_Asian 1.17
8 Oceanian 0.54
9 Sub-Saharan 0.3
10 East_Asian 0.25

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Central_Greek 4.91
2 East_Sicilian 6.84
3 South_Italian 7.32
4 Italian_Abruzzo 7.97
5 Greek_Thessaly 9.42
6 West_Sicilian 9.69
7 Ashkenazi 11.48
8 Tuscan 14.01
9 Sephardic_Jewish 14.22
10 Algerian_Jewish 14.32
11 Italian_Jewish 14.72
12 Bulgarian 16.67
13 Cyprian 17.11
14 Turkish 17.65
15 Tunisian_Jewish 17.91
16 Libyan_Jewish 18.5
17 Romanian 18.89
18 North_Italian 19.13
19 Lebanese_Muslim 20.24
20 Syrian 21.61

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 89.4% Central_Greek + 10.6% Balkar @ 3.46
2 90.1% Central_Greek + 9.9% Ossetian @ 3.47
3 91% Central_Greek + 9% Abhkasian @ 3.5
4 90.5% Central_Greek + 9.5% Georgian @ 3.54
5 90.5% Central_Greek + 9.5% North_Ossetian @ 3.56
6 89.9% Central_Greek + 10.1% Adygei @ 3.56
7 89.8% Central_Greek + 10.2% Kabardin @ 3.57
8 91% Central_Greek + 9% Chechen @ 3.78
9 89.4% Central_Greek + 10.6% Kumyk @ 3.79
10 94.1% Central_Greek + 5.9% Balochi @ 3.83
11 94.2% Central_Greek + 5.8% Brahui @ 3.83
12 93.9% Central_Greek + 6.1% Makrani @ 3.95
13 91.8% Central_Greek + 8.2% Lezgin @ 3.95
14 92.1% Central_Greek + 7.9% Tabassaran @ 3.98
15 94.4% Central_Greek + 5.6% Kalash @ 4.01
16 93.5% Central_Greek + 6.5% Afghan_Pashtun @ 4.09
17 95% Central_Greek + 5% Burusho @ 4.19
18 95% Central_Greek + 5% Pathan @ 4.22
19 93.3% Central_Greek + 6.7% Afghan_Tadjik @ 4.23
20 95.5% Central_Greek + 4.5% Sindhi @ 4.23

Eurogenes EUtest V2 K15 Oracle results:


Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 26.47
2 West_Med 19.88
3 West_Asian 17.02
4 North_Sea 10.32
5 Atlantic 10.15
6 Eastern_Euro 6.36
7 Baltic 5.61
8 Red_Sea 2.6
9 South_Asian 1.16
10 Oceanian 0.43

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Central_Greek 5.37
2 East_Sicilian 7.01
3 South_Italian 7.43
4 Ashkenazi 8.11
5 Italian_Abruzzo 8.2
6 Greek_Thessaly 8.77
7 Greek 8.81
8 West_Sicilian 9.99
9 Italian_Jewish 11.48
10 Tuscan 12.5
11 Sephardic_Jewish 12.74
12 Algerian_Jewish 12.92
13 Bulgarian 15.78
14 Cyprian 16.02
15 Tunisian_Jewish 16.59
16 Libyan_Jewish 17.05
17 Romanian 17.83
18 Turkish 17.87
19 North_Italian 18.15
20 Lebanese_Muslim 19.65

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 96.2% Central_Greek + 3.8% Kalash @ 5.06
2 95% Central_Greek + 5% Tabassaran @ 5.07
3 96.6% Central_Greek + 3.4% Burusho @ 5.09
4 95.6% Central_Greek + 4.4% Afghan_Pashtun @ 5.1
5 96% Central_Greek + 4% Balochi @ 5.11
6 95.2% Central_Greek + 4.8% Lezgin @ 5.12
7 96.1% Central_Greek + 3.9% Brahui @ 5.12
8 96.7% Central_Greek + 3.3% Pathan @ 5.13
9 95.4% Central_Greek + 4.6% Afghan_Tadjik @ 5.13
10 97.2% Central_Greek + 2.8% MA-1 @ 5.14
11 96.1% Central_Greek + 3.9% Makrani @ 5.16
12 97.1% Central_Greek + 2.9% Punjabi_Jat @ 5.17
13 97.3% Central_Greek + 2.7% Sindhi @ 5.18
14 94.8% Central_Greek + 5.2% Turkmen @ 5.18
15 95.8% Central_Greek + 4.2% Tadjik @ 5.18
16 96% Central_Greek + 4% Afghan_Uzbeki @ 5.19
17 95.6% Central_Greek + 4.4% Kumyk @ 5.21
18 96.4% Central_Greek + 3.6% Chechen @ 5.21
19 96.3% Central_Greek + 3.7% Balkar @ 5.22
20 96.5% Central_Greek + 3.5% Ossetian @ 5.22

Dodecad K12b Oracle results:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasus 36.31
2 Atlantic_Med 26.05
3 North_European 17.21
4 Southwest_Asian 8.62
5 Gedrosia 8.47
6 Northwest_African 1.56
7 South_Asian 0.92
8 East_Asian 0.42
9 East_African 0.3
10 Siberian 0.13

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Greek (Dodecad) 6.14
2 S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) 7.72
3 Sicilian (Dodecad) 8.17
4 Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) 8.3
5 Ashkenazi (Dodecad) 9.24
6 C_Italian (Dodecad) 9.67
7 O_Italian (Dodecad) 11
8 Tuscan (HGDP) 12.86
9 Sephardic_Jews (Behar) 13.53
10 TSI30 (Metspalu) 14.27
11 Morocco_Jews (Behar) 16.5
12 Turkish (Dodecad) 17.74
13 Bulgarian (Dodecad) 17.98
14 Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) 18.44
15 Cypriots (Behar) 19.42
16 Romanians (Behar) 19.54
17 N_Italian (Dodecad) 19.83
18 Turks (Behar) 20.33
19 North_Italian (HGDP) 21.53
20 Lebanese (Behar) 23.85

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 72.8% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 27.2% Armenians (Behar) @ 1.85
2 72.5% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 27.5% Armenians_15 (Yunusbayev) @ 1.97
3 73.7% C_Italian (Dodecad) + 26.3% Kumyks (Yunusbayev) @ 2
4 62% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 38% Turkish (Dodecad) @ 2.04
5 72% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 28% Armenian (Dodecad) @ 2.1
6 65.3% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 34.7% Turks (Behar) @ 2.5
7 77.3% C_Italian (Dodecad) + 22.7% Chechens (Yunusbayev) @ 2.52
8 91.7% Greek (Dodecad) + 8.3% Makrani (HGDP) @ 2.61
9 92% Greek (Dodecad) + 8% Balochi (HGDP) @ 2.63
10 92.7% Greek (Dodecad) + 7.3% Brahui (HGDP) @ 2.75
11 77.9% C_Italian (Dodecad) + 22.1% North_Ossetians (Yunusbayev) @ 2.81
12 77.1% C_Italian (Dodecad) + 22.9% Adygei (HGDP) @ 2.82
13 72.7% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 27.3% Georgia_Jews (Behar) @ 2.84
14 77.5% C_Italian (Dodecad) + 22.5% Balkars (Yunusbayev) @ 2.9
15 85.1% Greek (Dodecad) + 14.9% Iranians (Behar) @ 2.92
16 52.9% Turkish (Dodecad) + 47.1% N_Italian (Dodecad) @ 2.96
17 73.1% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 26.9% Azerbaijan_Jews (Behar) @ 3.01
18 77.9% C_Italian (Dodecad) + 22.1% Lezgins (Behar) @ 3.01
19 59.1% TSI30 (Metspalu) + 40.9% Turks (Behar) @ 3.08
20 68.7% C_Italian (Dodecad) + 31.3% Turks (Behar) @ 3.08

puntDNAL K13 Global Oracle results:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 SW_Europe 40.23
2 West_Asia 24.59
3 NE_Europe 18.8
4 SW_Asia 11.25
5 SE_Asia 2.22
6 Oceania 0.98
7 South_Africa 0.95
8 Americas 0.94
9 East_Africa 0.03

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Italian_Abruzzo 5.12
2 Greek_Central 5.71
3 Ashkenazy_Jew 6.04
4 Italian_Sicilian 6.6
5 Greek_Thessaly 8.56
6 Albanian 9.26
7 Kosovar 10.31
8 Italian_Tuscan 10.32
9 Sephardic_Jew 10.77
10 Bulgarian 15.27
11 Macedonian 15.62
12 Italian_Bergamo 15.68
13 Turkish 17.28
14 Cypriot 17.61
15 Romanian 17.95
16 Montenegrin 18.4
17 Turkish_Aydin 19.42
18 Turkish_Kayseri 19.69
19 Serbian 20.77
20 Balkar 21.57

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 53% Armenian + 47% French_Basque @ 3.62
2 54.3% Spaniard + 45.7% Turkish_Trabzon @ 3.72
3 52.1% Assyrian + 47.9% French_Basque @ 3.75
4 62.7% Italian_Bergamo + 37.3% Turkish_Trabzon @ 4.08
5 73.1% Italian_Tuscan + 26.9% Turkish_Trabzon @ 4.32
6 97.5% Italian_Abruzzo + 2.5% Igorot @ 4.43
7 90.9% Italian_Abruzzo + 9.1% Turkish_Trabzon @ 4.45
8 96.8% Italian_Abruzzo + 3.2% Visayan @ 4.45
9 89.3% Italian_Abruzzo + 10.7% Balkar @ 4.45
10 97.1% Italian_Abruzzo + 2.9% Dusun @ 4.46
11 97.1% Italian_Abruzzo + 2.9% Murut @ 4.46
12 96.9% Italian_Abruzzo + 3.1% Filipino @ 4.46
13 97.1% Italian_Abruzzo + 2.9% Luzon @ 4.49
14 96.9% Italian_Abruzzo + 3.1% Malayan @ 4.51
15 63.3% Italian_Bergamo + 36.7% Armenian @ 4.53
16 91.4% Italian_Abruzzo + 8.6% Ossetian @ 4.54
17 91.7% Italian_Abruzzo + 8.3% Abkhasian @ 4.57
18 91.3% Italian_Abruzzo + 8.7% Azerbaijan_Azeri @ 4.59
19 97% Italian_Abruzzo + 3% Cambodian @ 4.6
20 64.1% Italian_Bergamo + 35.9% Assyrian @ 4.6

MDLP K23b Oracle results:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 35.65
2 European_Early_Farmers 26.25
3 European_Hunters_Gatherers 14.49
4 Near_East 9.22
5 South_Central_Asian 6.96
6 Ancestral_Altaic 3.2
7 North_African 2.83
8 Tungus-Altaic 0.65
9 Khoisan 0.32
10 Archaic_African 0.31
11 Paleo_Siberian 0.12
12 Melano_Polynesian 0.01

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Greek_Northwest ( ) 3.88
2 Sicilian_West ( ) 4.96
3 Italian_Abruzzo ( ) 5.28
4 Sicilian_Trapani ( ) 5.47
5 Kosovar ( ) 5.49
6 Sicilian_Agrigento ( ) 5.97
7 Sicilian_Siracusa ( ) 6.13
8 Ashkenazi_Jew ( ) 6.89
9 Greek_Peloponnesos ( ) 6.91
10 Greek_Thessaly ( ) 7.3
11 Maltese ( ) 7.59
12 Albanian_Tirana ( ) 7.65
13 French_Jew ( ) 8.24
14 Greek_Thessaloniki ( ) 8.4
15 Sicilian_East ( ) 8.47
16 Italian_Tuscan ( ) 8.79
17 Ashkenazi ( ) 9.23
18 Bulgarian ( ) 9.35
19 Sephardic_Jew ( ) 9.66
20 Central_Greek ( ) 9.97

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 68% Greek_Smyrna ( ) + 32% French ( ) @ 1.68
2 88.1% Italian_Abruzzo ( ) + 11.9% Dargin_Urkarah ( ) @ 1.71
3 88% Italian_Abruzzo ( ) + 12% Lak ( ) @ 1.72
4 70.1% Italian_Piedmont ( ) + 29.9% Georgian_Jew ( ) @ 1.79
5 85.4% Italian_Abruzzo ( ) + 14.6% Stalskoe_Kumyk ( ) @ 1.82
6 75.7% Italian_Tuscan ( ) + 24.3% Georgian_Jew ( ) @ 1.84
7 88.3% Italian_Abruzzo ( ) + 11.7% Avar ( ) @ 1.89
8 68.9% Italian_Piedmont ( ) + 31.1% Assyrian_Iraqi ( ) @ 1.91
9 88.3% Italian_Abruzzo ( ) + 11.7% Lezgin ( ) @ 1.92
10 88.1% Italian_Abruzzo ( ) + 11.9% Tabassaran ( ) @ 1.95
11 77.6% Italian_Tuscan ( ) + 22.4% Uzbekistani_Jew ( ) @ 1.96
12 73.5% Italian_Piedmont ( ) + 26.5% Jew_Tat ( ) @ 2.05
13 74.8% Italian_Tuscan ( ) + 25.2% Assyrian_Iraqi ( ) @ 2.07
14 72.8% Italian_Tuscan ( ) + 27.2% Turk_Kayseri ( ) @ 2.07
15 65.4% Greek_Islands ( ) + 34.6% Welsh ( ) @ 2.09
16 72.3% Italian_Piedmont ( ) + 27.7% Uzbekistani_Jew ( ) @ 2.1
17 85.7% Italian_Abruzzo ( ) + 14.3% Azeri ( ) @ 2.1
18 87.8% Italian_Abruzzo ( ) + 12.2% Azeri_Dagestan ( ) @ 2.1
19 72.6% Italian_Tuscan ( ) + 27.4% Turk ( ) @ 2.11
20 74.6% Italian_Tuscan ( ) + 25.4% Iraqi_Chaldean ( ) @ 2.13

MDLP K16 Modern Oracle results:


Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 36.8
2 Neolithic 28.69
3 Steppe 16.23
4 NorthEastEuropean 12.98
5 NearEast 3.26
6 NorthAfrican 1.39
7 Oceanic 0.38
8 Ancestor 0.27

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Greek (Thessaloniki) 3.57
2 Albanian (Albania) 3.8
3 Greek (Greece) 4
4 Kosovar (Kosovo) 4.88
5 Greek (Peloponnes) 5.47
6 Italian (Tuscany) 5.54
7 Italian (Abruzzo) 5.78
8 Greek (Macedonia) 6.62
9 Greek (Athens) 6.79
10 Gagauz (Gagauzia) 7.3
11 Italian (SouthItaly) 7.4
12 Sicilian (Sicily) 7.51
13 Italian (NorthIitaly) 7.85
14 Bulgarian (Bulgaria) 8.25
15 Macedonian (Macedonia) 8.5
16 Bulgarian (Bulgaria) 9.15
17 Maltese (Malta) 9.28
18 Jew (Ashkenazi) 9.29
19 Romanian (Romania) 9.3
20 Greek (Greece) 9.32

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 77.8% Italian (Bergamo) + 22.2% Georgian (Tbilisi) @ 2.15
2 76% Greek (Athens) + 24% French (France) @ 2.3
3 74.7% Italian (Bergamo) + 25.3% Georgian (Megrelia) @ 2.3
4 73.7% Greek (Athens) + 26.3% German (Germany) @ 2.48
5 85.5% Italian (Tuscany) + 14.5% Adygei (Adygea) @ 2.51
6 64.9% Spanish (Spain) + 35.1% Turk (Trabzon) @ 2.54
7 78.5% Greek (Athens) + 21.5% English (Kent) @ 2.54
8 86% Italian (Tuscany) + 14% Chechen (Chechnya) @ 2.62
9 74.4% Italian (Bergamo) + 25.6% Georgians (Zugdidi) @ 2.65
10 75.1% Italian (Bergamo) + 24.9% Abhkasian (Abkhasia) @ 2.69
11 78.8% Greek (Athens) + 21.2% English (Cornwall) @ 2.76
12 84.9% Italian (Tuscany) + 15.1% Kumyk (Dagestan) @ 2.79
13 85.5% Italian (Tuscany) + 14.5% Balkar (Kabardino-Balkaria) @ 2.79
14 78.1% Greek (Athens) + 21.9% Irish (Connacht) @ 2.83
15 78.8% Greek (Greece) + 21.2% Spanish (Pais_Vasco) @ 2.84
16 69.5% Greek (Greece) + 30.5% French (France) @ 2.89
17 77.4% Greek (Athens) + 22.6% Scottish (Grampian) @ 2.92
18 62.3% Greek (Athens) + 37.7% Italian (Bergamo) @ 2.93
19 73.3% Greek (Greece) + 26.7% Spanish (Aragon) @ 2.93
20 75.7% Italian (Bergamo) + 24.3% Turk (Trabzon) @ 2.95

[Rgvgjhvv]

Typz

[Samnium]

He seems to plot right next on Abruzzo but with some asian affinity, what is his ethnic background ?

[Rgvgjhvv]

His results are not far off from mine.

Lacreme

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 26.47
2 West_Med 19.88
3 West_Asian 17.02
4 North_Sea 10.32
5 Atlantic 10.15
6 Eastern_Euro 6.36
7 Baltic 5.61
8 Red_Sea 2.6
9 South_Asian 1.16
10 Oceanian 0.43

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Central_Greek 5.37
2 East_Sicilian 7.01
3 South_Italian 7.43
4 Ashkenazi 8.11
5 Italian_Abruzzo 8.2
6 Greek_Thessaly 8.77
7 Greek 8.81
8 West_Sicilian 9.99
9 Italian_Jewish 11.48
10 Tuscan 12.5

Markos

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 27.06
2 West_Med 17.9
3 West_Asian 15.56
4 Atlantic 13.78
5 Baltic 9.18
6 North_Sea 8.33
7 Eastern_Euro 4.05
8 Red_Sea 2.04
9 South_Asian 1.11
10 Oceanian 0.67
11 Amerindian 0.31

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Central_Greek 4.02
2 Greek 5.45
3 South_Italian 5.82
4 East_Sicilian 5.91
5 Italian_Abruzzo 6.59
6 Greek_Thessaly 7.85
7 West_Sicilian 7.96
8 Ashkenazi 7.97
9 Tuscan 11.07
10 Italian_Jewish 11.28

[lacreme]

*Lacreme's friend

Many thanks !!!

Did you manage to get his Y-Dna prediction ?
When I tried it had troubles pinpointing the Y-Dna markers if I recall correctly

[Dorian]

Typz

https://i.postimg.cc/FsHMY2LB/K15V4.png (https://postimg.cc/s1b68HKY)

[lacreme]

He seems to plot right next on Abruzzo but with some asian affinity, what is his ethnic background ?

His paper trail is

From his father's side:
25% Peloponnesian from Elis, 25% Western Asian Greek from modern day Gaziemir in Turkey.

From his mother's side:
20-22% Peloponnesian from Achaia, 12.5% from Sfakia region in Crete,12.5% Western Asian Greek from Karaburun in Turkey and the rest, 3-5% from Northern Greece (unknown location)

[Rgvgjhvv]

pic

We are almost identical. This guy could be my brother, genetically (results-wise anyway).

[Lemgrant]

pure Greek basically on gedmatch

[Dorian]

*Lacreme's friend

Many thanks !!!

Did you manage to get his Y-Dna prediction ?
When I tried it had troubles pinpointing the Y-Dna markers if I recall correctly

No ,same thing appeared...

[Samnium]

His paper trail is

From his father's side:
25% Peloponnesian from Elis, 25% Western Asian Greek from modern day Gaziemir in Turkey.

From his mother's side:
20-22% Peloponnesian from Achaia, 12.5% from Sfakia region in Crete,12.5% Western Asian Greek from Karaburun in Turkey and the rest, 3-5% from Northern Greece (unknown location)

Interesting results indeed I had seen that asian shift.

So he's roughly 50% peloponessian, 37.5% W.Asian Greek and 12.5% from Crete.

Peloponnesians plot a bit northern so yeah it's W.Asian Greek that have shifted him towards Cyclades samples (Central Greek).

[Kaspias]

Izmir Greeks are very close to the Mainlander Greeks, pretty far away from Central Anatolians and Trabzon Greeks

[lacreme]

No ,same thing appeared...

That's weird... Could they have botched the data ?
Would it be worth it to send them a mail ?

[Faklon]

Cool graphs and interesting comparinson with Markos.

Thinking Ancestry-wise, since the guy is half-Peloponnesian should cluster closer to the mainland and not like Markos who is pure islander from Ionia. My bet is that his Cretan and possibly some deeper Asia Minor ancestry push him further South-East.

Just some anthrotard calculations to connect the relativity of the results and to a lesser extend his phenotype, this can only be determined by very specific IBD.

[Leto]

His paper trail is

From his father's side:
25% Peloponnesian from Elis, 25% Western Asian Greek from modern day Gaziemir in Turkey.

From his mother's side:
20-22% Peloponnesian from Achaia, 12.5% from Sfakia region in Crete,12.5% Western Asian Greek from Karaburun in Turkey and the rest, 3-5% from Northern Greece (unknown location)
Is he the same guy you posted? A lot of selfies. You said a friend of yours would like to do a test.

[Dorian]

That's weird... Could they have botched the data ?
Would it be worth it to send them a mail ?

I have no idea about that , Markos & Kaspias know better..

[catgeorge]

Thats very Greek another example where genotype doesnt equal phenotype

[Rgvgjhvv]

Cool graphs and interesting comparinson with Markos.

Thinking Ancestry-wise, since the guy is half-Peloponnesian should cluster closer to the mainland and not like Markos who is pure islander from Ionia. My bet is that his Cretan and possibly some deeper Asia Minor ancestry push him further South-East.

Just some anthrotard calculations to connect the relativity of the results and to a lesser extend his phenotype, this can only be determined by very specific IBD.

Along with me, he plots in the same small area as @Mr.G 's wife, who is also from Samos.

[Faklon]

Izmir Greeks are very close to the Mainlander Greeks, pretty far away from Central Anatolians and Trabzon Greeks

How many samples?

Smyrna was a cosmopolitan city attracting people all around the Med, Asia Minor or even Eurasia.

[Thracian]

Izmir Greeks are very close to the Mainlander Greeks, pretty far away from Central Anatolians and Trabzon Greeks

I think we need more samples. He has higher West Asian because of his Anatolian ancestry. His West Asian score should have been less if all Greeks from Smyrna are closer to Mainlander Greeks.

[lacreme]

Is he the same guy you posted? A lot of selfies. You said a friend of yours would like to do a test.

Yeah...That's him


I have no idea about that , Markos & Kaspias know better..

I suppose this is not correct then?
(it is what I got when I continued until the final submission.
Judging by the subclade,It looks more like his possible result as an example of what will show than my friend's :D )


94461

[Lemgrant]

Eurogenes K13 nmonte3 oracle with updated datasheet:
http://vahaduo.genetics.ovh/k13-vahaduo.htm


Lacreme_f,15.23,10.37,23.07,19.29,27.04,2.74,1.17, 0.25,0,0,0.54,0,0.3

Distance to: Lacreme_f

5.58118267 Central_Greek
7.13943975 Apulia
7.37120072 Sicily
7.69929867 East_Sicilian
7.74978709 Greek_Macedonia_Thrace
7.77782746 Campania
7.97834569 Greek_Andros_Island
8.00367416 Greek_Peloponnese
8.25354469 Molise
8.55936914 Basilicata
8.62749674 Greek_Chios
8.82881646 Abruzzo
9.12055371 Turk_Crete
9.15980349 Greek_Istanbul
9.45309473 Malta
9.51981092 Calabria
9.74127045 GR_Peloponese
10.04304735 Greek_Western-Thrace
10.43884572 Greek_Eastern-Thrace
10.75787154 GR_Macedonia
10.77722135 Greek_Thessaly
10.99729967 Turk_Burgas
11.13044024 West_Sicilian
11.27339789 Greek_Eastern-Macedonia
11.64297750 Greek_Dodecanese

Target: Lacreme_f
Distance: 1.9628% / 1.96278976 | ADC: 0.25x
56.0 Central_Greek
25.6 Greek_Macedonia_Thrace
9.6 Georgian_imereti
8.0 Sardinian
0.8 Turk_Edirne


Target: Lacreme_f
Distance: 3.9425% / 3.94248489 | ADC: 0.5x
86.6 Central_Greek
7.4 Turk_Edirne
4.6 Georgian_imereti
1.4 Greek_Macedonia_Thrace

Target: Lacreme_f
Distance: 5.3689% / 5.36885529 | ADC: 1x
92.2 Central_Greek
7.8 Greek_Macedonia_Thrace

[Faklon]

Judging by the subclade,It looks more like his possible result as an example of what will show than my friend's :D )


94461

Dafuq, fkn Varangian exotic Viking.

[Samnium]

Cool graphs and interesting comparinson with Markos.

Thinking Ancestry-wise, since the guy is half-Peloponnesian should cluster closer to the mainland and not like Markos who is pure islander from Ionia. My bet is that his Cretan and possibly some deeper Asia Minor ancestry push him further South-East.

Just some anthrotard calculations to connect the relativity of the results and to a lesser extend his phenotype, this can only be determined by very specific IBD.

Markos is a pure islander from Ionia ? I had never seen Ionian Islanders I believe but I guessed that they would be where Markos plot, near Abruzzo.

[Rgvgjhvv]

Markos is a pure islander from Ionia ? I had never seen Ionian Islanders I believe but I guessed that they would be where Markos plot, near Abruzzo.

Ionia is an ancient Greek region. Not to be confused with the Ionian Islands, on the West side of Greece.

Ionia consists of the Eastern Aegean Islands and the Izmir area of modern-day Turkey.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/60/Western_Asia_Minor_Greek_Colonization.svg/800px-Western_Asia_Minor_Greek_Colonization.svg.png

[catgeorge]

Super fkn interesting.

[Faklon]

Markos is a pure islander from Ionia ? I had never seen Ionian Islanders I believe but I guessed that they would be where Markos plot, near Abruzzo.

No, I meant the ancient region Ionia.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/60/Western_Asia_Minor_Greek_Colonization.svg/230px-Western_Asia_Minor_Greek_Colonization.svg.png

It was called Ionia even during Ottoman occupation. I'm not referring to modern Ionian islanders although from what I've seen they plot similarly, maybe slightly closer to the mainland.

[Leto]

Yeah...That's him

He can pass as a Georgian. But why did he get 18% Northern and Western Europe? MyHeritage is such bullshit for many people (not all)...

[Rgvgjhvv]

He can pass as a Georgian. But why did he get 18% Northern and Western Europe? MyHeritage is such bullshit for many people (not all)...

I think this shows how garbage MyHeritage is, tbh lol. For most people, it's just pure bollocks.

[Faklon]

He can pass as a Georgian. But why did he get 18% Northern and Western Europe? MyHeritage is such bullshit for many people (not all)...

He carries I1 halpogroup, the guy is a Viking lol.

[catgeorge]

Need to do 23and me.... Myheritage is no good.

[Rgvgjhvv]

He carries I1 halpogroup, the guy is a Viking lol.

Well then!

https://media1.giphy.com/media/XH9tzHRGQmLSFGP6E8/giphy.gif

[Leto]

I think this shows how garbage MyHeritage is, tbh lol. For most people, it's just pure bollocks.
It is okay for many Slavs and Baltics if you ignore the randomness of such components as Eastern Euro, Baltic and Balkan. I've seen Russians with 20-30% Balkan and zero Baltic for example. Others were like 60% Baltic and zero Balkan. Go figure.

[Rgvgjhvv]

It is okay for many Slavs and Baltics if you ignore the randomness of such components as Eastern Euro, Baltic and Balkan. I've seen Russians with 20-30% Balkan and zero Baltic for example. Others were like 60% Baltic and zero Balkan. Go figure.

I don't think it was bad for me, tbh. But there are too many inconsistencies. Just like exactly how you explained in your example. Stupid and makes no sense.

[Samnium]

No, I meant the ancient region Ionia.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/60/Western_Asia_Minor_Greek_Colonization.svg/230px-Western_Asia_Minor_Greek_Colonization.svg.png

It was called Ionia even during Ottoman occupation. I'm not referring to modern Ionian islanders although from what I've seen they plot similarly, maybe slightly closer to the mainland.

Yes I think that they plot here a bit more towards Thessaly however.

[Faklon]

I don't think it was bad for me, tbh. But there are too many inconsistencies. Just like exactly how you explained in your example. Stupid and makes no sense.

Do you also get Western European like the OP?

I'm wondering if MyHeritage takes IBD into account, autosomal isn't everything since mixed people can also cluster close to some Greek average and the guy carries a pretty atypical halpogroup. I mean, WTF.

[lacreme]

I think this shows how garbage MyHeritage is, tbh lol. For most people, it's just pure bollocks.

On the classification thread I forgot to add an interesting detail.
ALL of his great-grandmother's (from his mother's side,the one who was from Karaburun ) family members,with the possible exception of her father, were fair skinned and blondes with blue eyes... Now, if this means that at some point in time they acquired foreign admixture or if it was just a coincidence he doesn't know...
......
But most probable is MyHeritage being garbage as many say :D

About Morley's Y-Dna predictor,can you run his data ?
Dorian faced the same problems that I did and the result that it shows if I ignore the warning messages seems strange...

[Dorian]

Yeah...That's him



I suppose this is not correct then?
(it is what I got when I continued until the final submission.
Judging by the subclade,It looks more like his possible result as an example of what will show than my friend's :D )


94461

Out of all the ancestries ,which one is the oldest patrilineal?

[lacreme]

Out of all the ancestries ,which one is the oldest patrilineal?

His patrilineal line is the one from Seydikoy/Gaziemir

[Dorian]

His patrilineal line is the one from Seydikoy/Gaziemir

There we go..

After the carnage of the Roman army in the Battle of Adrianople (AD 378), the new emperor Theodosius checked as possible the Visigoths until AD 382 when he came to an agreement with them, formally accepting their settlement in the Roman territory as foederati (dependent allies). The Goths joined en masse the Eastern Roman army which was decimated after the defeat at Adrianople. They soon acquired considerable political influence in the court of Constantinople. It is characteristic that a Goth, the famous Gainas (Gaenas), came up to all the offices – one by one – of the military hierarchy and ultimately tried to seize the imperial throne, but without success. The Eastern Romans (Early Byzantines) realized the mortal danger of the Goths that was threatening the Empire and reacted violently. An intense anti-Germanic feeling prevailed in Constantinople and in a few years most Goths had been expelled from the administration and the military. Later, the Byzantines settled many Goths in Asia Minor (in the territory of the later thema of Opsikion) who were gradually Hellenized and were called Gotthograeci (Gotho-Greeks).
Until recently the modern historians used to believe that the historical Visigoths were the descendants of the Western Goths of Gutthiunta and that the Ostrogoths originated from the Eastern Goths of Hermanaric. During the last decades it was ascertained that these correlations were not correct. The Visigoth tribal union was formed around the time of the battle of Adrianople, possibly in the eve of the battle, when the Thervingi combined forces with a portion of the Greuthungi who had escaped from the Hunnish yoke and with other barbarian groups. The Ostrogoth tribal union was formed a few decades later (around AD 400) when the rest scattered Greuthungi and other Gothic-German and Sarmatian groups (namely the Goths of the Amali Dynasty and later the Goths of Theuderic-Strabo, of Radagaesus, some Alan groups and others) joined forces. However, most modern books, studies and disquisitions continue to use anachronistically the ethnic terms Visigoths and Ostrogoths for the historical events before 378.

[Rgvgjhvv]

Do you also get Western European like the OP?

I'm wondering if MyHeritage takes IBD into account, autosomal isn't everything since mixed people can also cluster close to some Greek average and the guy carries a pretty atypical halpogroup. I mean, WTF.

No, I have never. I have very typical Greek results for my ancestry in basically every calculator or public testing service. According to morley my Y-DNA is E (no idea about subclade).

I need to double-check but my results were something like 77% Greek 13% West Asian 6% Jewish, 2% Italian etc.
My AncestryDNA is something along the lines of 90% Greek (with a "community" Greece/Turkey/Albania), 3% Turkey/Caucasus, 3% Italian, etc.

I think IBD is by far the best way. That's what 23andMe does these days? I don't know I haven't done it but looks better than any other company.

[Samnium]

No, I have never. I have very typical Greek results for my ancestry in basically every calculator or public testing service. According to morley my Y-DNA is E (no idea about subclade).

I need to double-check but my results were something like 77% Greek 13% West Asian 6% Jewish, 2% Italian etc.
My AncestryDNA is something along the lines of 90% Greek (with a "community" Greece/Turkey/Albania), 3% Turkey/Caucasus, 3% Italian, etc.

I think IBD is by far the best way. That's what 23andMe does these days? I don't know I haven't done it but looks better than any other company.

On 23andme you would have a similar break-down as Southern Italians, with I think something like 22/24% N.W.Asian (included Anatolian) and the rest being greek.

[Faklon]

No, I have never. I have very typical Greek results for my ancestry in basically every calculator or public testing service. According to morley my Y-DNA is E (no idea about subclade).

I need to double-check but my results were something like 77% Greek 13% West Asian 6% Jewish, 2% Italian etc.
My AncestryDNA is something along the lines of 90% Greek (with a "community" Greece/Turkey/Albania), 3% Turkey/Caucasus, 3% Italian, etc.

I think IBD is by far the best way. That's what 23andMe does these days? I don't know I haven't done it but looks better than any other company.

You are a true Ionic fisherman colonizing Korea, my son.

[Rgvgjhvv]

You are a true Ionic fisherman colonizing Korea, my son.

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/18/2a/9f/182a9f8ab4ffa07b74893ba5791c0a1d.jpg

[lacreme]

There we go..
...........


Smyrna is quite more south of Opsikion thema but it could be :cool:

[Dorian]

LivingDNA
https://i.postimg.cc/CMrSm89v/Screenshot-13.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

[Rgvgjhvv]

On the classification thread I forgot to add an interesting detail.
ALL of his great-grandmother's (from his mother's side,the one who was from Karaburun ) family members,with the possible exception of her father, were fair skinned and blondes with blue eyes... Now, if this means that at some point in time they acquired foreign admixture or if it was just a coincidence he doesn't know...
......
But most probable is MyHeritage being garbage as many say :D

About Morley's Y-Dna predictor,can you run his data ?
Dorian faced the same problems that I did and the result that it shows if I ignore the warning messages seems strange...

I actually know almost nothing about Y-DNA. I don't even know mine exactly. Maybe ask @Dick

[Luke35]

Yeah, def some inconsistency of MH results vs. GEDmatch results. My wife (Samos) is a genetic sibling of Markos and Lecreme's friend:

MH
93.4%
South Europe
91.5%
Greek and South Italian
91.5%
Ashkenazi Jewish
1.9%
Ashkenazi Jewish
1.9%
Africa
6.6%
North Africa
6.6%
North African
6.6%

Eurogenes K13
# Population Percent
1 East_Med 30.7
2 West_Med 19.08
3 North_Atlantic 16.84
4 West_Asian 13.64
5 Baltic 11.88
6 Red_Sea 5.05
7 Northeast_African 1.2
8 South_Asian 0.59
9 Siberian 0.56
10 East_Asian 0.45

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Central_Greek 3.59
2 East_Sicilian 3.64
3 Ashkenazi 5.09
4 Italian_Abruzzo 6.5
5 South_Italian 6.57
6 Greek_Thessaly 6.95
7 West_Sicilian 7.06
8 Sephardic_Jewish 11.1
9 Italian_Jewish 11.15
10 Algerian_Jewish 11.41
11 Tuscan 12.17
12 Tunisian_Jewish 14.54
13 Libyan_Jewish 15.13
14 Bulgarian 15.17
15 Cyprian 16.76
16 Romanian 17.35
17 North_Italian 18.22
18 Lebanese_Muslim 19.55
19 Turkish 20.06
20 Syrian 20.59

[Luke35]

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/18/2a/9f/182a9f8ab4ffa07b74893ba5791c0a1d.jpg

A handsome Greek Dinarid!

[LittleBeyond]

A handsome Greek Dinarid!

I think your face is familiar and have seen it in Israel

[Rgvgjhvv]

Yeah, def some inconsistency of MH results vs. GEDmatch results. My wife (Samos) is a genetic sibling of Markos and Lecreme's friend:


Do you mind reminding me of her K15 results?

[فاروق]

# Population Percent
1 West_Asia 36.16
2 SW_Europe 29.64
3 SW_Asia 26.44
4 NE_Europe 4.62
5 East_Africa 2.42
6 South_Asia 0.56
7 South_Africa 0.11
8 SE_Asia 0.04

# Population Percent
1 SW_Europe 40.23
2 West_Asia 24.59
3 NE_Europe 18.8
4 SW_Asia 11.25
5 SE_Asia 2.22
6 Oceania 0.98
7 South_Africa 0.95
8 Americas 0.94
9 East_Africa 0.03

70.28% overlap with Lebanese

[Luke35]

Do you mind reminding me of her K15 results?

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 27.2
2 West_Med 15.59
3 West_Asian 14.17
4 Atlantic 12.84
5 Baltic 10.27
6 North_Sea 10
7 Red_Sea 5.35
8 Eastern_Euro 2.23
9 Northeast_African 1.38
10 Siberian 0.36
11 South_Asian 0.35
12 Southeast_Asian 0.26

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Central_Greek 3.87
2 East_Sicilian 4.09
3 Ashkenazi 5.36
4 South_Italian 5.84
5 Italian_Abruzzo 6.34
6 Greek 6.74
7 Greek_Thessaly 6.97
8 West_Sicilian 7.81
9 Italian_Jewish 10.07
10 Sephardic_Jewish 10.74
11 Tuscan 11.04
12 Algerian_Jewish 11.55
13 Bulgarian 13.43
14 Tunisian_Jewish 14.26
15 Libyan_Jewish 15.68
16 Romanian 15.69
17 Cyprian 16.11
18 North_Italian 17.2
19 Turkish 18.65
20 Lebanese_Muslim 18.75

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 88.4% South_Italian + 11.6% Lithuanian @ 2.39
2 87.8% South_Italian + 12.2% Belorussian @ 2.65
3 87.1% South_Italian + 12.9% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 2.68
4 86.1% South_Italian + 13.9% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 2.7
5 87.4% South_Italian + 12.6% Southwest_Russian @ 2.7
6 88.6% South_Italian + 11.4% Estonian @ 2.76
7 87.3% South_Italian + 12.7% Russian_Smolensk @ 2.79
8 88% South_Italian + 12% Estonian_Polish @ 2.82
9 86.6% South_Italian + 13.4% Ukrainian @ 2.83
10 86.6% South_Italian + 13.4% South_Polish @ 2.88
11 87.5% South_Italian + 12.5% Polish @ 2.96
12 83% South_Italian + 17% Moldavian @ 3.05
13 93.7% East_Sicilian + 6.3% Lithuanian @ 3.05
14 88.7% South_Italian + 11.3% Erzya @ 3.05
15 72.6% South_Italian + 27.4% Bulgarian @ 3.11
16 84.2% South_Italian + 15.8% Croatian @ 3.14
17 69.1% Greek_Thessaly + 30.9% Tunisian_Jewish @ 3.14
18 75.8% South_Italian + 24.2% Romanian @ 3.17
19 88.6% South_Italian + 11.4% Kargopol_Russian @ 3.17
20 93.6% East_Sicilian + 6.4% Belorussian @ 3.19

[lacreme]

LivingDNA
https://i.postimg.cc/CMrSm89v/Screenshot-13.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

Thanks again for your help !
Do you mind sending me the livingDNA link ? My friend might want to pay to upgrade the ancestry breakdown.

Also, for what else should he pay to do ?
G25 coordinates ? Also for mytrueancestry for comparison with ancient samples ?
I also recall seeing a member here offering an ancestry breakdown service (and by each chromosome too ? )

[Kaspias]

How many samples?

Smyrna was a cosmopolitan city attracting people all around the Med, Asia Minor or even Eurasia.

3 Afaik


I think we need more samples. He has higher West Asian because of his Anatolian ancestry. His West Asian score should have been less if all Greeks from Smyrna are closer to Mainlander Greeks.

Wasn't the Peloponnese average is already around 20? Crete was also around 15.

[Dick]

Who the fuck is lacreme

[lacreme]

Who the fuck is lacreme

me :p
but the results are of a friend of mine who requested to post his results.

btw Markos said that you may know more (than him ) about Y-dna in general.
If so, do you know the ins and outs of Morley Y-dna predictor ?
because before the completion of the analysis I got the following when I sent his raw dna data
94469
I continued the proccess nevertheless and
in the end he got the following which seems quite rare for his ancestry
94470

[Dick]

me :p
but the results are of a friend of mine who requested to post his results.

btw Markos said that you may know more (than him ) about Y-dna in general.
If so, do you know the ins and outs of Morley Y-dna predictor ?
because before the completion of the analysis I got the following when I sent his raw dna data
94469
I continued the proccess nevertheless and
in the end he got the following which seems quite rare for his ancestry
94470

Huh? You’re not lacreme but lacreme is your friend.

What is this persons ancestry anyway ? Try uploading it again and see if same results

[lacreme]

Huh? You’re not lacreme but lacreme is your friend.

What is this persons ancestry anyway ? Try uploading it again and see if same results

Tried with both FTDNA formats and both ISOGG and experimental trees.
Every time the Y-Dna result is the same.

His ancestry is
From his father's side:
25% Peloponnesian from Elis, 25% Western Asian Greek from modern day Gaziemir in Turkey.

From his mother's side:
20-22% Peloponnesian from Achaia, 12.5% from Sfakia region in Crete,12.5% Western Asian Greek from Karaburun in Turkey and the rest, 3-5% from Northern Greece (unknown location)

[lacreme]

Got his G25 coordinates too !


,PC1,PC2,PC3,PC4,PC5,PC6,PC7,PC8,PC9,PC10,PC11,PC1 2,PC13,PC14,PC15,PC16,PC17,PC18,PC19,PC20,PC21,PC2 2,PC23,PC24,PC25
Chris_scaled,0.114961,0.146236,-0.007165,-0.030685,0.012002,-0.008646,0.003055,0.000923,-0.003068,0.016583,0.00065,0.006145,-0.002973,0.000413,-0.013301,0.001989,0.005998,0.000887,0.001257,-0.004377,-0.011979,-0.005688,-0.00419,0.00253,-0.004311

,PC1,PC2,PC3,PC4,PC5,PC6,PC7,PC8,PC9,PC10,PC11,PC1 2,PC13,PC14,PC15,PC16,PC17,PC18,PC19,PC20,PC21,PC2 2,PC23,PC24,PC25
Chris,0.0101,0.0144,-0.0019,-0.0095,0.0039,-0.0031,0.0013,0.0004,-0.0015,0.0091,0.0004,0.0041,-0.002,0.0003,-0.0098,0.0015,0.0046,0.0007,0.001,-0.0035,-0.0096,-0.0046,-0.0034,0.0021,-0.0036


Target: Lacreme_fr_scaled
Distance: 1.5905% / 0.01590548 | ADC: 1x
100.0 Greek_Izmir

Target: Lacreme_fr_scaled
Distance: 3.6382% / 0.03638226
57.6 Anatolia_Epipaleolithic
22.0 Caspian_steppe_Eneolithic
11.2 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
4.8 Caucasus_Mesolithic
4.4 Levant_Natufian

https://i.imgur.com/rV6G5XL.png

[Dick]

Tried with both FTDNA formats and both ISOGG and experimental trees.
Every time the Y-Dna result is the same.

His ancestry is
From his father's side:
25% Peloponnesian from Elis, 25% Western Asian Greek from modern day Gaziemir in Turkey.

From his mother's side:
20-22% Peloponnesian from Achaia, 12.5% from Sfakia region in Crete,12.5% Western Asian Greek from Karaburun in Turkey and the rest, 3-5% from Northern Greece (unknown location)

Then it's probably correct. L22 in southern Europe is from Normans


https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/civilization-v-customisation/images/4/42/TcmSicilyMap_v2.png/revision/latest?cb=20150911230011

[Dorian]

Thanks again for your help !
Do you mind sending me the livingDNA link ? My friend might want to pay to upgrade the ancestry breakdown.

Also, for what else should he pay to do ?
G25 coordinates ? Also for mytrueancestry for comparison with ancient samples ?
I also recall seeing a member here offering an ancestry breakdown service (and by each chromosome too ? )

https://livingdna.com/
Tell him to register&upload there,it takes some minutes until the results appear ,the breakdown will be similar to myheritage I think.
Yes you can go about g25 too but don't ask me for the rest ,I'm as noob :p .

[Thracian]

3 Afaik



Wasn't the Peloponnese average is already around 20? Crete was also around 15.

There is only one Greek Peloponnese on MDLP K23b, yet I am not familiar with this calculator. On Eurogenes K13, Greek average is 15.44%, I am not sure it also contains Greeks from Crete and Anatolia. His West Asian is 19.29% on Eurogenes K13.

[lacreme]

Some additional results from vahaduo (left every option on default)

Eurogenes K13 ancient, updated, updated single
94472
94473
94474

Eurogenes K15 ancient, updated, updated single
94475
94476
94477

[lacreme]

Eurogenes K36 genetic closeness maps.
Not a single extremely close place,other than Rhodes maybe,but that's to be expected given his ancestry.

BTW I have a correction about his mother, the 12.5% from Karaburun is in reality half of that with the other 6.25% being from Milos. Also, around 3% is not from Northern Greece but from Lamia's surrounding areas.

https://i.imgur.com/fisOYlL.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/0eM1hsA.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/gIOkk2l.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/1OJCI6v.jpg

Does anyone have K36 maps from other Greeks or can point me to related threads ?

[lacreme]

Small bump

His predicted Ydna haplogroup is also I1-L22 through Yseq clade finder.

https://i.imgur.com/FJoGpwI.jpg

Now that he's willing to test and confirm his main subclade (and the deepest possible too ) how should he proceed ? Should he choose familytreedna or the I1-L22 panel from yseq ?


Unrelated
Just out of curiosity he uploaded his raw data to ftdna too
https://i.imgur.com/IsHbHMS.jpg

[lacreme]

Minor ,for now, bump.

Just ordered (myheritage) kits for his mother and his maternal grandfather too. When the time comes,having those 2 which member knows the process to extract the phased (? ) results for his father and his maternal grandmother ?

[lacreme]

BUMP
Since the last update my Greek friend bought a WGS test from Dante Labs.
His results are now ready and while he is having some technical problems with the upload to Yfull to get his terminal Ydna/Mtdna subclades I thought about posting his preliminary results taken from WGSextract. The final results will be posted when they are ready.

Ydna
I1a1b1g3a~ and it includes the following SNPs: Y17218, Y16808

Mtdna
H13a2b3

A reminder that his paternal line originally was from Seydikoy in Smyrna (since at least the mid-19th century, unfortunately he can't trace it further back) and his maternal line from the island of Milos.

Any comments ? I don't know much about haplogroups.

[Kaspias]

BUMP
Since the last update my Greek friend bought a WGS test from Dante Labs.
His results are now ready and while he is having some technical problems with the upload to Yfull to get his terminal Ydna/Mtdna subclades I thought about posting his preliminary results taken from WGSextract. The final results will be posted when they are ready.

Ydna
I1a1b1g3a~ and it includes the following SNPs: Y17218, Y16808

Mtdna
H13a2b3

A reminder that his paternal line originally was from Seydikoy in Smyrna (since at least the mid-19th century, unfortunately he can't trace it further back) and his maternal line from the island of Milos.

Any comments ? I don't know much about haplogroups.

I-Y17218 is common among Pomaks, 4 individuals from the Blagoevgrad and Smolyan bear it.

https://www.yfull.com/tree/I-Y17218/

[lacreme]

I-Y17218 is common among Pomaks, 4 individuals from the Blagoevgrad and Smolyan bear it.

https://www.yfull.com/tree/I-Y17218/

On Yfull his sample is now preliminarily determined as I-Y16808* , do you know what is their usual timeframe for the final results and completion of analysis (he will pay for the NextGen Sequence Interpretation) ?

On another clade of Y17218 there are also some Irish people while on the Y16808 subclade there is also another Bulgarian, some Swedes and a Ukrainian from Dnipro... As a clade could it be connected with the Varangians and the Norsemen of the Baltic and with the Vikings in the case of the common ancestor of the Irish samples ? It may be far fetched as a theory but the dispersal of the few available samples match the so called "Trade route from the Varangians to the Greeks" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trade_route_from_the_Varangians_to_the_Greeks and there is also the fact that the river Dnieper was one of the main waterways they used.

[lacreme]

Bump

The latest (and possibly last for quite some time) update on my Greek friend's subclade (under the turkish flag).
I find it interesting that not only his line separated quite early from the Bulgarian one but the Bulgarians themselves have very old TMRCA between them ( pre-slavic ? )

112887