Any Kosovo Gorani Gedmatch / G25 results?

[Lucas]

Recently I found that some of them had the same R1a-L260 like me (data from Bosnjački DNK Projekat). This guy surname is Ibrahimovic.

https://i.postimg.cc/4dqXFj11/Screen-Hunter-2810-Jan-14-13-21.jpg
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/98/Ethnic_map_of_Kosovo%2C_municipalities_%281991%29. png

[Kaspias]

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[Lucas]

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Oh, I hoped that you would have them...

[Bosniensis]

They have the same haplogroups i.e. I2a1 and R1a like all South Slavs, probably a bit more E1b than ordinary South Slavs.

They are South Slavs, mostly Bulgarians who heavily mixed with Albanians.

[vbnetkhio]

Oh, I hoped that you would have them...

there were some Torbeshi posted here. they were like pure Albanians pretty much

[Pribislav]

They have the same haplogroups i.e. I2a1 and R1a like all South Slavs, probably a bit more E1b than ordinary South Slavs.

They are South Slavs, mostly Bulgarians who heavily mixed with Albanians.

I have seen y dna of 5 Gorani - 2 I2a-North, 1 R1a, 1 I2-M223 and 1 J2b2.

[Pribislav]

They have the same haplogroups i.e. I2a1 and R1a like all South Slavs, probably a bit more E1b than ordinary South Slavs.

They are South Slavs, mostly Bulgarians who heavily mixed with Albanians.

Linguistically Gorani are most related (almost identical) with Serbs from Sredačka and Sirinićka župa.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sredačka_župa

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sirinićka_župa

[Kaspias]

Oh, I hoped that you would have them...

Unfortunately. Only absent part is they.


there were some Torbeshi posted here. they were like pure Albanians pretty much

Some are between Bulgarians and Albanians, some are closer to Albanians, even Greeks. Goranis should have a different composition.


Linguistically Gorani are most related (almost identical) with Serbs from Sredačka and Sirinićka župa.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sredačka_župa

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sirinićka_župa


I don't have an explanation for the language but there is a cultural link between Goranis and Pomaks. Traditions, costume, etc.

[vbnetkhio]

Some are between Bulgarians and Albanians, some are closer to Albanians, even Greeks. Goranis should have a different composition.


That's all within Albanian range. Gheg Albanians usually get Bulgarian or Greek_Thessaly as their closest match.

look at Kosovo Albanians and Torbeshi on this PCA
https://i.imgur.com/sacCUm5.png

[MagnusDark]

That's all within Albanian range. Gheg Albanians usually get Bulgarian or Greek_Thessaly as their closest match.

look at Kosovo Albanians and Torbeshi on this PCA
https://i.imgur.com/sacCUm5.png

Ghegs predominantly get Tuscan and Greek Thessaly where there is no Albanian reference. From what I have seen in our project anyways. We get Bulgarian too and Romanian. But they're usually third and 4th if not 5th and 6th in nearest runs. I would show mine as example but I took my Gedmatch down when they started using DNA results for investigations.

[Lucas]

Ghegs predominantly get Tuscan and Greek Thessaly where there is no Albanian reference. From what I have seen in our project anyways. We get Bulgarian too and Romanian. But they're usually third and 4th if not 5th and 6th in nearest runs. I would show mine as example but I took my Gedmatch down when they started using DNA results for investigations.

As Albanian you heard about any Gorani autosomal results?

[Bosniensis]

As Albanian you heard about any Gorani autosomal results?

They have Albanian Autosomal results. They are like 80% Greek 20% Ukrainian modeled

[Kaspias]

They have Albanian Autosomal results. They are like 80% Greek 20% Ukrainian modeled

Sure? This was Torbesh modeling. I was thinking Gorani results will be identical with Bulgarians - Serbs

[Bosniensis]

Sure? This was Torbesh modeling. I was thinking Gorani results will be identical with Bulgarians - Serbs

Again depending on individual. They have an easy way to intermarry with Albanians, especially now when Kosovo is practically 100% Albania.

[Kaspias]

Again depending on individual. They have an easy way to intermarry with Albanians, especially now when Kosovo is practically 100% Albania.

Albanians i have met was hating Goranis :D

[Bosniensis]

Albanians i have met was hating Goranis :D

Yes that is true, cause Gorani's are between 2 fires, Serbian and Albanian.

They used to be more Pro-Serbian, but after 90's war they shift more towards Albanians.

Because of those Pro-Serbian ones Albanians hate them (Albanian hate of Serbs is old as Egypt)

It's very sad how those people are teared apart by both Serbian and Albanian agenda.

[Lucas]

Yes that is true, cause Gorani's are between 2 fires, Serbian and Albanian.

They used to be more Pro-Serbian, but after 90's war they shift more towards Albanians.

Because of those Pro-Serbian ones Albanians hate them (Albanian hate of Serbs is old as Egypt)

It's very sad how those people are teared apart by both Serbian and Albanian agenda.

Uncomfortable situation really.

[CommonSense]

Albanians i have met was hating Goranis :D

I've never heard of any being pro-Albanian. They're the only muslims in the Balkans that have been on friendly terms with Serbs.

[Pribislav]

Gora region - homeland of Gorani.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zbOY2MTr12M

[MagnusDark]

Albanians don't hate then. They just don't trust them. They're typically pro Serbian or both anti Albanian and anti Serbian. ironically they're Male custom dress is straight Albanian down to the hat. Genetically though I don't think theh will show Albanian like genetics. Probably Bulgarian and Serbian affinities.

[vbnetkhio]

Recently I found that some of them had the same R1a-L260 like me (data from Bosnjački DNK Projekat). This guy surname is Ibrahimovic.

https://i.postimg.cc/4dqXFj11/Screen-Hunter-2810-Jan-14-13-21.jpg
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/98/Ethnic_map_of_Kosovo%2C_municipalities_%281991%29. png

this one could be a Goranac based on his surname.


Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 22.61
2 West_Med 22.56
3 East_Med 21.24
4 Baltic 17.54
5 West_Asian 12.29
6 Red_Sea 2.29
7 East_Asian 0.62
8 Amerindian 0.54
9 Siberian 0.26
10 Oceanian 0.04

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Greek_Thessaly 5.49
2 Bulgarian 7.27
3 Romanian 8.58
4 Tuscan 9.13
5 Italian_Abruzzo 10.32
6 North_Italian 10.92
7 Central_Greek 11.31
8 West_Sicilian 11.45
9 Serbian 12.54
10 East_Sicilian 12.68
11 South_Italian 15.09
12 Ashkenazi 15.66
13 Portuguese 18.54
14 Moldavian 18.56
15 Spanish_Extremadura 18.88
16 Spanish_Galicia 19.38
17 Spanish_Andalucia 20.01
18 Spanish_Murcia 20.15
19 Spanish_Cataluna 20.23
20 Spanish_Valencia 20.33

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 56.5% Bulgarian + 43.5% Tuscan @ 3.01
2 83.9% Greek_Thessaly + 16.1% Southwest_French @ 3.17
3 89.1% Greek_Thessaly + 10.9% French_Basque @ 3.38
4 88% Greek_Thessaly + 12% Southwest_English @ 3.41
5 84.9% Greek_Thessaly + 15.1% South_Dutch @ 3.43
6 84% Greek_Thessaly + 16% Spanish_Cantabria @ 3.45
7 82.8% Greek_Thessaly + 17.2% French @ 3.45
8 88.6% Greek_Thessaly + 11.4% Irish @ 3.52
9 68.8% Central_Greek + 31.2% East_German @ 3.52
10 84.3% Greek_Thessaly + 15.7% West_German @ 3.52
11 83.3% Bulgarian + 16.7% Sardinian @ 3.52
12 58.2% Romanian + 41.8% West_Sicilian @ 3.53
13 88.4% Greek_Thessaly + 11.6% Orcadian @ 3.54
14 82.6% Greek_Thessaly + 17.4% Spanish_Cataluna @ 3.54
15 87.8% Greek_Thessaly + 12.2% Southeast_English @ 3.56
16 88.9% Greek_Thessaly + 11.1% West_Scottish @ 3.57
17 63.2% Bulgarian + 36.8% West_Sicilian @ 3.57
18 83.9% Greek_Thessaly + 16.1% Austrian @ 3.64
19 88.6% Greek_Thessaly + 11.4% North_Dutch @ 3.65
20 89.2% Greek_Thessaly + 10.8% Norwegian @ 3.67

[Pribislav]

this one could be a Goranac based on his surname.


Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 22.61
2 West_Med 22.56
3 East_Med 21.24
4 Baltic 17.54
5 West_Asian 12.29
6 Red_Sea 2.29
7 East_Asian 0.62
8 Amerindian 0.54
9 Siberian 0.26
10 Oceanian 0.04

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Greek_Thessaly 5.49
2 Bulgarian 7.27
3 Romanian 8.58
4 Tuscan 9.13
5 Italian_Abruzzo 10.32
6 North_Italian 10.92
7 Central_Greek 11.31
8 West_Sicilian 11.45
9 Serbian 12.54
10 East_Sicilian 12.68
11 South_Italian 15.09
12 Ashkenazi 15.66
13 Portuguese 18.54
14 Moldavian 18.56
15 Spanish_Extremadura 18.88
16 Spanish_Galicia 19.38
17 Spanish_Andalucia 20.01
18 Spanish_Murcia 20.15
19 Spanish_Cataluna 20.23
20 Spanish_Valencia 20.33

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 56.5% Bulgarian + 43.5% Tuscan @ 3.01
2 83.9% Greek_Thessaly + 16.1% Southwest_French @ 3.17
3 89.1% Greek_Thessaly + 10.9% French_Basque @ 3.38
4 88% Greek_Thessaly + 12% Southwest_English @ 3.41
5 84.9% Greek_Thessaly + 15.1% South_Dutch @ 3.43
6 84% Greek_Thessaly + 16% Spanish_Cantabria @ 3.45
7 82.8% Greek_Thessaly + 17.2% French @ 3.45
8 88.6% Greek_Thessaly + 11.4% Irish @ 3.52
9 68.8% Central_Greek + 31.2% East_German @ 3.52
10 84.3% Greek_Thessaly + 15.7% West_German @ 3.52
11 83.3% Bulgarian + 16.7% Sardinian @ 3.52
12 58.2% Romanian + 41.8% West_Sicilian @ 3.53
13 88.4% Greek_Thessaly + 11.6% Orcadian @ 3.54
14 82.6% Greek_Thessaly + 17.4% Spanish_Cataluna @ 3.54
15 87.8% Greek_Thessaly + 12.2% Southeast_English @ 3.56
16 88.9% Greek_Thessaly + 11.1% West_Scottish @ 3.57
17 63.2% Bulgarian + 36.8% West_Sicilian @ 3.57
18 83.9% Greek_Thessaly + 16.1% Austrian @ 3.64
19 88.6% Greek_Thessaly + 11.4% North_Dutch @ 3.65
20 89.2% Greek_Thessaly + 10.8% Norwegian @ 3.67

Look more like Albanian result. This result is to southern shifted. I don't think so that Gorani are close to Thessalians.
Gorani have albanized surnames. You can't be sure who is Albanian, Ashkali or Goran only according to surnames.

[vbnetkhio]

Look more like Albanian result. This result is to southern shifted. I don't think so that Gorani are close to Thessalians.
Gorani have albanized surnames. You can't be sure who is Albanian, Ashkali or Goran only according to surnames.

his surname is spelled in Serbian, (prefix Hadzi-), it exists only in Serbia with that spelling

[CommonSense]

his surname is spelled in Serbian, (prefix Hadzi-), it exists only in Serbia with that spelling

Maybe the man is an Albanian or a 'Bosniak' from Sandžak or Montenegro. Have you tried contacting him?

[vbnetkhio]

Maybe the man is an Albanian or a 'Bosniak' from Sandžak or Montenegro. Have you tried contacting him?

if he was Albanian, it would be "Haxhi". i think Mingle conctacted him ,but he hasn't answered yet.

[MagnusDark]

As Albanian you heard about any Gorani autosomal results?

As far as I know we don't. I have only seen Torbesh that basically come out as Bulgarian admixed Albanians.

[MagnusDark]

Sure? This was Torbesh modeling. I was thinking Gorani results will be identical with Bulgarians - Serbs

Don't listen to Bosniensis. He speaks out of his ass. As far as I know we have no results of Gorani in our project, and certainly I have not seen any.

I doubt they would have a significant shift to Albanians. Gorani typically keep to themselves. They also typically dislike both Albanians and Serbs. I am sure some mixed, but this phenomenon is more typical of Torbesh/Pomak in Albania.

[MagnusDark]

if he was Albanian, it would be "Haxhi". i think Mingle conctacted him ,but he hasn't answered yet.

Some Albanians have Serbian spelled surnames in Montenegro. I know a few that do. So this doesn't necessarily mean he is not Albanian. If he is from Kosova, then could be Gorani, as Albanians in Kosova wouldn't spell it the Serbian way.

[Kaspias]

Don't listen to Bosniensis. He speaks out of his ass. As far as I know we have no results of Gorani in our project, and certainly I have not seen any.

I doubt they would have a significant shift to Albanians. Gorani typically keep to themselves. They also typically dislike both Albanians and Serbs. I am sure some mixed, but this phenomenon is more typical of Torbesh/Pomak in Albania.

What can you say about Pomaks in Albania? Besides genetic results, how they live?

Do you think is it possible to catch a DNA result among them? :P

[MagnusDark]

What can you say about Pomaks in Albania? Besides genetic results, how they live?

Do you think is it possible to catch a DNA result among them? :P

In actuallity many(or what's left) Pomak in Albania were absorbed into the Torbesh community. Pomak Muslims typically became a part of the Torbesh muslims. They mostly claim Albanian identity. Some times Turkish. The orthodox Christian Slavs of the region still refer to themselves as simply Bulgarian. Even though most are from Macedonia. Many left with the passport proposition from Bulgaria. However the Muslim ones stayed more often than not. They have similar customs with Gorani. Like the one with the geisha looking bride that's jeweled up lol.

I think we technically already do. Though like I mentioned it's complicated since most are counted as Torbesh and identify as Albanian. The ones from mixed bulgarian and albanian villages have typical ydna shared with other Bulgarians and Albanians. Of course no autosomal on them. Usually from Stebleva and Trebisht. They have become like Albanian montenegrins in a sense. Cross assimilation happened on the easternmost borders.

I can ask in the project if anyone has any results.

My family is in the westernmost region bordering the bilingual regions. Okshtun/Martanesh. Sadly some Albanians are even being assimilated due to the local schools being minority schools as Hoxha did little to build Albanian schools in the area. So they go to the minority slavic schools in the region and now some young gen Albanian kids speak Bulgarian. I would say from identity perspective ots very fluid like that of the Vlachs who usually identity and support the nation they are raised under.

[Lucas]

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Sadly some Albanians are even being assimilated due to the local schools being minority schools as Hoxha did little to build Albanian schools in the area. So they go to the minority slavic schools in the region and now some young gen Albanian kids speak Bulgarian. I would say from identity perspective ots very fluid like that of the Vlachs who usually identity and support the nation they are raised under.

Very interesting. I used to think Hoxha besides being communist was also nationalist. But Greek schools in the south of Albania existed during his reign?