Results of a half Venetian and French friend

[dududud]

+ parents results


Father (Venitian: Fontanelle):
1 North_Atlantic 33.12
2 East_Med 23.25
3 West_Med 20.55
4 Baltic 16.51
5 West_Asian 3.8
6 Red_Sea 1.83
7 Amerindian 0.96

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 North_Italian 7.71
2 Tuscan 9.76
3 Portuguese 11.59
4 Spanish_Extremadura 12.83
5 Spanish_Murcia 12.86
6 Spanish_Valencia 12.93
7 Spanish_Cataluna 12.93
8 Spanish_Galicia 13.1
9 Romanian 13.41
10 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 13.5
11 French 13.94
12 Greek_Thessaly 14.29
13 Bulgarian 14.29
14 Serbian 14.32
15 Spanish_Andalucia 14.33
16 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha 15.17
17 West_Sicilian 15.68
18 Italian_Abruzzo 15.94
19 Spanish_Cantabria 16.37
20 West_German 17.26

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 60.5% French + 39.5% Ashkenazi @ 5.34
2 78.6% Tuscan + 21.4% North_Swedish @ 5.46
3 77.7% Tuscan + 22.3% Swedish @ 5.62
4 77.6% Tuscan + 22.4% Norwegian @ 5.67
5 74% Tuscan + 26% Southeast_English @ 5.68
6 76.1% Tuscan + 23.9% Danish @ 5.69
7 52.7% Southeast_English + 47.3% Algerian_Jewish @ 5.74
8 80.7% Tuscan + 19.3% Southwest_Finnish @ 5.76
9 76.3% Tuscan + 23.7% North_Dutch @ 5.79
10 67.4% Tuscan + 32.6% West_German @ 5.8
11 75.3% Tuscan + 24.7% North_German @ 5.85
12 51.6% Southeast_English + 48.4% Italian_Jewish @ 5.85
13 69% Tuscan + 31% South_Dutch @ 5.9
14 53.5% Ashkenazi + 46.5% Southeast_English @ 5.91
15 76.4% Tuscan + 23.6% Orcadian @ 5.91
16 72.4% Tuscan + 27.6% East_German @ 5.92
17 69.8% Tuscan + 30.2% Austrian @ 5.95
18 58.3% South_Dutch + 41.7% Italian_Jewish @ 5.96
19 65.7% French + 34.3% Italian_Jewish @ 5.98
20 55.4% Ashkenazi + 44.6% Southwest_English @ 6.13


1 Atlantic 24.84
2 North_Sea 18.59
3 East_Med 17.87
4 West_Med 16.3
5 Baltic 9.26
6 West_Asian 5.25
7 Eastern_Euro 4.76
8 Red_Sea 2.66
9 Amerindian 0.47

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 North_Italian 6
2 Tuscan 8.69
3 Spanish_Murcia 9.53
4 Portuguese 9.82
5 Spanish_Cataluna 9.84
6 Spanish_Extremadura 9.85
7 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 10.36
8 Spanish_Galicia 10.8
9 Spanish_Valencia 10.98
10 Spanish_Andalucia 11.18
11 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha 12.49
12 French 12.68
13 Serbian 12.74
14 Romanian 12.98
15 Bulgarian 13.26
16 West_Sicilian 13.94
17 Spanish_Cantabria 13.95
18 Spanish_Aragon 14.02
19 Greek_Thessaly 14.09
20 Italian_Abruzzo 14.21

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 81.1% Spanish_Cataluna + 18.9% Lebanese_Druze @ 3.98
2 75% Tuscan + 25% Irish @ 4.23
3 73.5% Tuscan + 26.5% Southeast_English @ 4.28
4 75.7% Tuscan + 24.3% West_Scottish @ 4.32
5 60.7% Spanish_Cataluna + 39.3% Greek @ 4.39
6 53.9% West_Sicilian + 46.1% South_Dutch @ 4.39
7 60.5% West_Sicilian + 39.5% Southwest_English @ 4.41
8 52.7% French + 47.3% West_Sicilian @ 4.41
9 75.4% Tuscan + 24.6% Danish @ 4.42
10 67.4% Tuscan + 32.6% South_Dutch @ 4.43
11 73.5% Tuscan + 26.5% North_German @ 4.46
12 61.3% West_Sicilian + 38.7% Southeast_English @ 4.46
13 63.3% West_Sicilian + 36.7% Irish @ 4.53
14 67.1% Spanish_Cataluna + 32.9% Ashkenazi @ 4.55
15 59.8% Spanish_Murcia + 40.2% Bulgarian @ 4.56
16 79.5% North_Italian + 20.5% Austrian @ 4.57
17 73.3% Tuscan + 26.7% Southwest_English @ 4.59
18 81.6% Spanish_Cataluna + 18.4% Lebanese_Christian @ 4.6
19 75.9% Tuscan + 24.1% North_Dutch @ 4.61
20 61.5% Spanish_Murcia + 38.5% Greek_Thessaly @ 4.66

Amerindian -
Arabian -
Armenian -
Basque 0.10 Pct
Central_African -
Central_Euro 6.36 Pct
East_African -
East_Asian -
East_Balkan 9.15 Pct
East_Central_Asian -
East_Central_Euro 1.83 Pct
East_Med 5.60 Pct
Eastern_Euro 0.72 Pct
Fennoscandian 2.09 Pct
French 6.98 Pct
Iberian 10.84 Pct
Indo-Chinese -
Italian 29.75 Pct
Malayan -
Near_Eastern 5.60 Pct
North_African -
North_Atlantic 9.25 Pct
North_Caucasian -
North_Sea 7.65 Pct
Northeast_African -
Oceanian -
Omotic -
Pygmy -
Siberian -
South_Asian -
South_Central_Asian -
South_Chinese -
Volga-Ural -
West_African -
West_Caucasian 1.26 Pct
West_Med 2.83 Pct






Mother (Northwest to Southeast France + Belgium, Luxembourg, Germany, Switzerland):

1 North_Atlantic 42.52
2 West_Med 21.14
3 Baltic 17.15
4 East_Med 11.48
5 West_Asian 6.26
6 Sub-Saharan 0.78
7 Amerindian 0.54
8 Oceanian 0.13

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 French 3.63
2 Spanish_Cataluna 7.15
3 South_Dutch 7.99
4 West_German 8.03
5 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 9.05
6 Portuguese 9.05
7 Spanish_Galicia 9.42
8 Spanish_Valencia 9.85
9 Spanish_Cantabria 10.08
10 Spanish_Murcia 10.13
11 Southwest_French 10.43
12 Spanish_Extremadura 10.6
13 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha 10.65
14 Spanish_Andalucia 11.79
15 Spanish_Aragon 12.21
16 Southeast_English 12.39
17 Southwest_English 13.28
18 North_Italian 13.55
19 Austrian 13.98
20 Orcadian 14.87

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 53.2% Spanish_Cataluna + 46.8% West_German @ 2.16
2 55.4% West_German + 44.6% Spanish_Valencia @ 2.21
3 60.1% West_German + 39.9% Spanish_Andalucia @ 2.33
4 50.5% Southwest_English + 49.5% North_Italian @ 2.35
5 53.1% Spanish_Cataluna + 46.9% South_Dutch @ 2.6
6 52.3% Southeast_English + 47.7% North_Italian @ 2.6
7 55.7% South_Dutch + 44.3% Spanish_Valencia @ 2.61
8 69.5% Spanish_Cataluna + 30.5% North_German @ 2.65
9 57.7% West_German + 42.3% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 2.66
10 60.4% South_Dutch + 39.6% Spanish_Andalucia @ 2.68
11 61.5% Spanish_Valencia + 38.5% North_German @ 2.7
12 54.1% North_Italian + 45.9% West_Scottish @ 2.71
13 56.8% Spanish_Andalucia + 43.2% North_German @ 2.71
14 61.2% West_German + 38.8% Spanish_Aragon @ 2.83
15 53.8% North_Italian + 46.2% Irish @ 2.84
16 52.4% North_Italian + 47.6% Orcadian @ 2.85
17 56.5% West_German + 43.5% Spanish_Murcia @ 2.9
18 56.4% West_German + 43.6% Spanish_Cantabria @ 3.03
19 74.8% Spanish_Cataluna + 25.2% Swedish @ 3.12
20 71% Spanish_Cataluna + 29% Danish @ 3.16

1 Atlantic 32.3
2 North_Sea 24.39
3 West_Med 15.48
4 Baltic 9.68
5 East_Med 8.72
6 West_Asian 5.18
7 Eastern_Euro 3.44
8 Sub-Saharan 0.54
9 Amerindian 0.27

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Spanish_Cataluna 6.82
2 French 7.61
3 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 8.04
4 Spanish_Murcia 9.17
5 Spanish_Valencia 9.46
6 Portuguese 9.75
7 South_Dutch 9.77
8 Spanish_Cantabria 10.07
9 Spanish_Extremadura 10.13
10 Southwest_French 10.16
11 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha 10.24
12 Spanish_Galicia 10.41
13 Spanish_Aragon 10.75
14 Spanish_Andalucia 11.46
15 Southwest_English 12.67
16 North_Italian 13.31
17 Southeast_English 13.39
18 West_German 13.57
19 North_German 14.62
20 Irish 15.04

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 62.5% Spanish_Valencia + 37.5% Irish @ 3.56
2 61.8% Spanish_Valencia + 38.2% North_German @ 3.57
3 57.3% Spanish_Andalucia + 42.7% Irish @ 3.67
4 65.1% Spanish_Valencia + 34.9% North_Dutch @ 3.76
5 59.7% Spanish_Valencia + 40.3% Southeast_English @ 3.79
6 64.1% Spanish_Valencia + 35.9% West_Scottish @ 3.83
7 65.1% Spanish_Valencia + 34.9% Danish @ 3.94
8 54.3% Spanish_Andalucia + 45.7% Southeast_English @ 3.96
9 58.9% Spanish_Andalucia + 41.1% West_Scottish @ 3.98
10 56.7% Spanish_Andalucia + 43.3% North_German @ 4.06
11 58.5% Spanish_Aragon + 41.5% North_German @ 4.06
12 66.2% Spanish_Valencia + 33.8% Orcadian @ 4.13
13 60.2% Spanish_Andalucia + 39.8% North_Dutch @ 4.15
14 58.5% Spanish_Valencia + 41.5% Southwest_English @ 4.2
15 60% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha + 40% North_German @ 4.26
16 60% Spanish_Andalucia + 40% Danish @ 4.26
17 73.1% Spanish_Cataluna + 26.9% Irish @ 4.27
18 70.7% Spanish_Valencia + 29.3% Swedish @ 4.3
19 51% Spanish_Valencia + 49% South_Dutch @ 4.31
20 72.6% Spanish_Cataluna + 27.4% North_German @ 4.31


Amerindian -
Arabian -
Armenian 4.19 Pct
Basque 3.60 Pct
Central_African -
Central_Euro 6.81 Pct
East_African -
East_Asian -
East_Balkan 2.72 Pct
East_Central_Asian -
East_Central_Euro 3.29 Pct
East_Med -
Eastern_Euro -
Fennoscandian 6.31 Pct
French 10.54 Pct
Iberian 21.82 Pct
Indo-Chinese -
Italian 15.56 Pct
Malayan -
Near_Eastern -
North_African -
North_Atlantic 10.82 Pct
North_Caucasian 0.96 Pct
North_Sea 9.32 Pct
Northeast_African -
Oceanian -
Omotic -
Pygmy -
Siberian -
South_Asian -
South_Central_Asian -
South_Chinese -
Volga-Ural -
West_African -
West_Caucasian -
West_Med 4.06 Pct




My Friend (their son):

1 North_Atlantic 36.95
2 West_Med 20.42
3 Baltic 16.86
4 East_Med 16.39
5 West_Asian 6.67
6 Red_Sea 1.24
7 Amerindian 1.19
8 Sub-Saharan 0.27

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 French 7.63
2 Portuguese 8.52
3 North_Italian 8.66
4 Spanish_Cataluna 8.75
5 Spanish_Galicia 9.66
6 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 10
7 Spanish_Extremadura 10.04
8 Spanish_Murcia 10.14
9 Spanish_Valencia 10.24
10 West_German 11.25
11 Spanish_Andalucia 11.77
12 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha 11.81
13 South_Dutch 12.12
14 Spanish_Cantabria 12.38
15 Southwest_French 13.33
16 Tuscan 13.45
17 Serbian 13.64
18 Romanian 13.92
19 Spanish_Aragon 14.26
20 Austrian 14.55

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 56.8% North_Italian + 43.2% West_German @ 2.18
2 56.6% Tuscan + 43.4% Southeast_English @ 2.28
3 69.3% North_Italian + 30.7% North_German @ 2.3
4 72.9% North_Italian + 27.1% Norwegian @ 2.32
5 70.7% North_Italian + 29.3% Danish @ 2.36
6 70.8% North_Italian + 29.2% North_Dutch @ 2.45
7 73.4% North_Italian + 26.6% Swedish @ 2.46
8 59.9% Tuscan + 40.1% Orcadian @ 2.52
9 52.7% South_Dutch + 47.3% Tuscan @ 2.54
10 54.7% West_German + 45.3% Tuscan @ 2.69
11 58.9% North_Italian + 41.1% South_Dutch @ 2.7
12 63% Tuscan + 37% Norwegian @ 2.79
13 67.8% North_Italian + 32.2% Southeast_English @ 2.81
14 60.4% Tuscan + 39.6% North_Dutch @ 2.82
15 61.1% Tuscan + 38.9% Irish @ 2.85
16 70.7% North_Italian + 29.3% Orcadian @ 2.88
17 60.4% Tuscan + 39.6% Danish @ 2.91
18 71.7% French + 28.3% Greek_Thessaly @ 2.93
19 61.4% Tuscan + 38.6% West_Scottish @ 2.94
20 58.7% Tuscan + 41.3% Southwest_English @ 2.94

1 Atlantic 26.99
2 North_Sea 22.07
3 West_Med 15.19
4 East_Med 12.47
5 Baltic 9.8
6 West_Asian 7.07
7 Eastern_Euro 3.64
8 Red_Sea 1.86
9 Amerindian 0.89
10 Sub-Saharan 0.01

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Spanish_Cataluna 7.45
2 French 8.07
3 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 8.31
4 Portuguese 8.62
5 Spanish_Murcia 8.73
6 North_Italian 8.73
7 Spanish_Extremadura 9.1
8 Spanish_Galicia 9.17
9 Spanish_Valencia 10.15
10 Spanish_Andalucia 11.09
11 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha 11.19
12 South_Dutch 11.33
13 Spanish_Cantabria 11.87
14 Southwest_French 12.44
15 Spanish_Aragon 12.61
16 Tuscan 13.01
17 Serbian 13.09
18 West_German 13.49
19 Austrian 13.75
20 Romanian 14.12

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 66.5% North_Italian + 33.5% North_German @ 3.29
2 68.9% North_Italian + 31.1% Irish @ 3.31
3 58.7% Tuscan + 41.3% Irish @ 3.4
4 70.1% North_Italian + 29.9% West_Scottish @ 3.57
5 56.2% Tuscan + 43.8% Southeast_English @ 3.65
6 66.9% North_Italian + 33.1% Southeast_English @ 3.68
7 70% North_Italian + 30% Danish @ 3.75
8 70.1% North_Italian + 29.9% North_Dutch @ 3.78
9 59.9% Tuscan + 40.1% West_Scottish @ 3.8
10 55.1% Tuscan + 44.9% Southwest_English @ 3.93
11 57.7% North_Italian + 42.3% South_Dutch @ 3.94
12 53.9% South_Dutch + 46.1% Tuscan @ 4.02
13 71.8% North_Italian + 28.2% Orcadian @ 4.1
14 66.5% North_Italian + 33.5% Southwest_English @ 4.22
15 56.3% Tuscan + 43.7% North_German @ 4.31
16 74.2% North_Italian + 25.8% Swedish @ 4.43
17 55% Southwest_English + 45% West_Sicilian @ 4.46
18 64.6% French + 35.4% Tuscan @ 4.5
19 69.3% Spanish_Cataluna + 30.7% Romanian @ 4.51
20 60% Tuscan + 40% North_Dutch @ 4.52


Amerindian -
Arabian -
Armenian 1.64 Pct
Basque 3.08 Pct
Central_African -
Central_Euro 8.45 Pct
East_African -
East_Asian -
East_Balkan 8.69 Pct
East_Central_Asian -
East_Central_Euro 1.55 Pct
East_Med 3.04 Pct
Eastern_Euro -
Fennoscandian 4.95 Pct
French 6.37 Pct
Iberian 10.58 Pct
Indo-Chinese -
Italian 24.80 Pct
Malayan -
Near_Eastern 2.59 Pct
North_African -
North_Atlantic 9.60 Pct
North_Caucasian 0.65 Pct
North_Sea 9.71 Pct
Northeast_African -
Oceanian -
Omotic -
Pygmy -
Siberian -
South_Asian -
South_Central_Asian -
South_Chinese -
Volga-Ural -
West_African -
West_Caucasian 0.44 Pct
West_Med 3.84 Pct




Parents (father in red, mother in green) + my friend (in orange):
https://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2020/03/3/1579096006-fathermother.png

[Adamastor]

I always wondered why North Italians and people mixed with North Italians have such high distances in GEDmatch oracles. 7.71 isn't a really good distance and the other populations closer to your friend's father are mostly at 10-12 of distance...

[dududud]

I always wondered why North Italians and people mixed with North Italians have such high distances in GEDmatch oracles. 7.71 isn't a really good distance and the other populations closer to your friend's father are mostly at 10-12 of distance...

I don't know. It is Gedmatch which is thus made. The autosomal file has more SNPs than 23andme v5.

I asked the coordinates of global 25 to David, for the father of my friend, who seems to be rather "Tuscan" shifted?

[Adamastor]

I don't know. It is Gedmatch which is thus made. The autosomal file has more SNPs than 23andme v5.

I asked the coordinates of global 25 to David, for the father of my friend, who seems to be rather "Tuscan" shifted?

Tuscans appear in many Northeast Italian results.

What I don't understand is that many pure North Italian results have distances as high as 9 or even 10 for the first population... I think GEDmatch isn't good enough to capture the genetic diversity of Northern Italy, hence the higher distances in the oracles.

This is a Venetian/Friulan result:

# Population Percent
1 North_Sea 21.56
2 Atlantic 20.62
3 West_Med 17.73
4 East_Med 13.36
5 Baltic 11.71
6 West_Asian 9.17
7 Eastern_Euro 4.40

Using 1 population approximation:
1 North_Italian @ 9.179755
2 Romanian @ 11.980413
3 Serbian @ 11.982498
4 Spanish_Galicia @ 12.266570
5 Portuguese @ 12.458252
6 Tuscan @ 12.760246
7 Spanish_Cataluna @ 12.885787
8 French @ 12.887971
9 Bulgarian @ 13.392425
10 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 13.859756
11 Spanish_Extremadura @ 13.946191
12 Spanish_Murcia @ 14.356702
13 Greek_Thessaly @ 15.557526
14 Austrian @ 16.011047
15 Spanish_Andalucia @ 16.109505
16 Spanish_Valencia @ 16.186577
17 South_Dutch @ 16.511347
18 Hungarian @ 16.644129
19 West_German @ 16.808649
20 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 17.356918

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% French +50% Greek_Thessaly @ 4.777655

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Greek_Thessaly +25% Southwest_English +25% Spanish_Cataluna @ 3.809052

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Bulgarian + North_Italian + North_Italian + West_German @ 3.792520
2 Greek_Thessaly + Greek_Thessaly + Southwest_English + Spanish_Cataluna @ 3.809052
3 North_Italian + North_Italian + Romanian + West_German @ 3.918805
4 Greek_Thessaly + North_Italian + North_Italian + Swedish @ 3.998967
5 Greek_Thessaly + Greek_Thessaly + North_Dutch + Southwest_French @ 4.010830
6 Greek_Thessaly + Greek_Thessaly + Southeast_English + Spanish_Cataluna @ 4.027565
7 Greek_Thessaly + Greek_Thessaly + North_Dutch + Spanish_Cantabria @ 4.028026
8 Greek_Thessaly + Greek_Thessaly + Southwest_English + Southwest_French @ 4.028345
9 Greek_Thessaly + Greek_Thessaly + Southwest_English + Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 4.035363
10 Bulgarian + Greek_Thessaly + Spanish_Cantabria + West_German @ 4.048906
11 Bulgarian + Greek_Thessaly + Spanish_Cataluna + West_German @ 4.060879
12 Greek_Thessaly + Greek_Thessaly + Southwest_English + Spanish_Cantabria @ 4.082353
13 Greek_Thessaly + Greek_Thessaly + Irish + Spanish_Cataluna @ 4.094572
14 Greek_Thessaly + Greek_Thessaly + Southwest_French + West_German @ 4.097637
15 Greek + North_Italian + North_Italian + Swedish @ 4.099488
16 Greek_Thessaly + North_Dutch + North_Italian + North_Italian @ 4.128540
17 Greek_Thessaly + Greek_Thessaly + North_Dutch + Spanish_Andalucia @ 4.136083
18 Greek_Thessaly + Greek_Thessaly + Orcadian + Southwest_French @ 4.137161
19 Bulgarian + Greek_Thessaly + Southwest_English + Spanish_Cataluna @ 4.140321
20 Greek_Thessaly + Greek_Thessaly + North_Dutch + Spanish_Valencia @ 4.143546

[Adamastor]

Many North Italians can be modeled as half-French or Iberian and half-Balkan or North Greek, maybe that's why the distances are so huge.

[dududud]

Many North Italians can be modeled as half-French or Iberian and half-Balkan or North Greek, maybe that's why the distances are so huge.

This is why I asked for the coordinates of the global 25 to be able to correctly model the father, because I can't seem to have anything interesting with Gedmatch.

I can try to model the father on the Gedmatch vahaduo K13 to see.

[dududud]

Many North Italians can be modeled as half-French or Iberian and half-Balkan or North Greek, maybe that's why the distances are so huge.

Father:
Distance: 3.0361% / 3.03611235
78.0 Swiss_Italian
13.0 Pomak_Plovdiv
7.8 Lebanese_Druze
1.0 Southeast_English
0.2 Karitiana

Distance to: Father
6.01779029 Friuli-VG
6.52088951 Swiss_Italian
7.05763416 Trentino
7.11430952 Veneto
7.59062580 Piedmont
7.80165367 Lombardy
7.94002519 Swiss-Italian
8.05139739 Liguria
8.60322033 Emilia
9.68213303 Tuscany
11.06931344 Tuscan
11.30510504 Romagna
11.39931138 Bulgarian_Southwest
12.84920620 Macedonian_East
12.86891604 Umbria
12.99559541 Greek_Central-Macedonia
13.00077690 Bulgarian_Plovdiv
13.04062115 Bulgarian_Central
13.08399714 North_Macedonian
13.18659926 FrenchCorsica
13.21690206 Portuguese
13.27798931 AostaValley
13.56011062 Marche
13.77473775 Lazio
13.86542823 Bulgarian_Serres

[dududud]

His Venetian father has a hight East-Med, i don't know if it's strange for a Venetian.

[Vid Flumina]

Average Venetian, nothing too strange. Looking forward to his G25 results

[dududud]

Average Venetian, nothing too strange. Looking forward to his G25 results

I'll have them tomorrow according to David.

[Ibericus]

I always wondered why North Italians and people mixed with North Italians have such high distances in GEDmatch oracles. 7.71 isn't a really good distance and the other populations closer to your friend's father are mostly at 10-12 of distance...
Because in EUrogenes the only north-italian sample is the one from Bergamo.

[dududud]

Because in EUrogenes the only north-italian sample is the one from Bergamo.

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[Samnium]

Strange that his mother plot like a central French.

"(Northwest to Southeast France + Belgium, Luxembourg, Germany, Switzerland)"

Damn I hadn't seen the "Southeast", that must be the explanation.

[dududud]

Strange that his mother plot like a central French.

"(Northwest to Southeast France + Belgium, Luxembourg, Germany, Switzerland)"

Damn I hadn't seen the "Southeast", that must be the explanation.

I have my friend's family tree. His has a ancestor: Louis Marius Claude CARVIN, from Marseille
https://gw.geneanet.org/bfranzin?lang=fr&n=carvin&oc=0&p=louis+marius+claude

[Samnium]

I have my friend's family tree. His has a ancestor: Louis Marius Claude CARVIN, from Marseille
https://gw.geneanet.org/bfranzin?lang=fr&n=carvin&oc=0&p=louis+marius+claude

Interesting.

I wonder where my father would plot, definitely in N.France, he's very predominantly from Haute-Savoie (he's only 1/4 aostan and has also french swiss ancestry do know where).
In a thesis paper, Haute-Savoie is like 99% N.France in proportions ancestry (actually all Eastern regions are in blue, northern France except far south).

[Leto]

Interesting.

I wonder where my father would plot, definitely in N.France, he's very predominantly from Haute-Savoie (he's only 1/4 aostan and has also french swiss ancestry do know where).
In a thesis paper, Haute-Savoie is like 99% N.France in proportions ancestry (actually all Eastern regions are in blue, northern France except far south).
Your ancestral region is close to Geneva?

[Leto]

+ parents results


Father (Venitian: Fontanelle):
1 North_Atlantic 33.12
2 East_Med 23.25
3 West_Med 20.55
4 Baltic 16.51
5 West_Asian 3.8
6 Red_Sea 1.83
7 Amerindian 0.96

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 North_Italian 7.71
2 Tuscan 9.76
3 Portuguese 11.59
4 Spanish_Extremadura 12.83
5 Spanish_Murcia 12.86
6 Spanish_Valencia 12.93
7 Spanish_Cataluna 12.93
8 Spanish_Galicia 13.1
9 Romanian 13.41
10 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 13.5
11 French 13.94
12 Greek_Thessaly 14.29
13 Bulgarian 14.29
14 Serbian 14.32
15 Spanish_Andalucia 14.33
16 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha 15.17
17 West_Sicilian 15.68
18 Italian_Abruzzo 15.94
19 Spanish_Cantabria 16.37
20 West_German 17.26

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 60.5% French + 39.5% Ashkenazi @ 5.34
2 78.6% Tuscan + 21.4% North_Swedish @ 5.46
3 77.7% Tuscan + 22.3% Swedish @ 5.62
4 77.6% Tuscan + 22.4% Norwegian @ 5.67
5 74% Tuscan + 26% Southeast_English @ 5.68
6 76.1% Tuscan + 23.9% Danish @ 5.69
7 52.7% Southeast_English + 47.3% Algerian_Jewish @ 5.74
8 80.7% Tuscan + 19.3% Southwest_Finnish @ 5.76
9 76.3% Tuscan + 23.7% North_Dutch @ 5.79
10 67.4% Tuscan + 32.6% West_German @ 5.8
11 75.3% Tuscan + 24.7% North_German @ 5.85
12 51.6% Southeast_English + 48.4% Italian_Jewish @ 5.85
13 69% Tuscan + 31% South_Dutch @ 5.9
14 53.5% Ashkenazi + 46.5% Southeast_English @ 5.91
15 76.4% Tuscan + 23.6% Orcadian @ 5.91
16 72.4% Tuscan + 27.6% East_German @ 5.92
17 69.8% Tuscan + 30.2% Austrian @ 5.95
18 58.3% South_Dutch + 41.7% Italian_Jewish @ 5.96
19 65.7% French + 34.3% Italian_Jewish @ 5.98
20 55.4% Ashkenazi + 44.6% Southwest_English @ 6.13


1 Atlantic 24.84
2 North_Sea 18.59
3 East_Med 17.87
4 West_Med 16.3
5 Baltic 9.26
6 West_Asian 5.25
7 Eastern_Euro 4.76
8 Red_Sea 2.66
9 Amerindian 0.47

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 North_Italian 6
2 Tuscan 8.69
3 Spanish_Murcia 9.53
4 Portuguese 9.82
5 Spanish_Cataluna 9.84
6 Spanish_Extremadura 9.85
7 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 10.36
8 Spanish_Galicia 10.8
9 Spanish_Valencia 10.98
10 Spanish_Andalucia 11.18
11 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha 12.49
12 French 12.68
13 Serbian 12.74
14 Romanian 12.98
15 Bulgarian 13.26
16 West_Sicilian 13.94
17 Spanish_Cantabria 13.95
18 Spanish_Aragon 14.02
19 Greek_Thessaly 14.09
20 Italian_Abruzzo 14.21

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 81.1% Spanish_Cataluna + 18.9% Lebanese_Druze @ 3.98
2 75% Tuscan + 25% Irish @ 4.23
3 73.5% Tuscan + 26.5% Southeast_English @ 4.28
4 75.7% Tuscan + 24.3% West_Scottish @ 4.32
5 60.7% Spanish_Cataluna + 39.3% Greek @ 4.39
6 53.9% West_Sicilian + 46.1% South_Dutch @ 4.39
7 60.5% West_Sicilian + 39.5% Southwest_English @ 4.41
8 52.7% French + 47.3% West_Sicilian @ 4.41
9 75.4% Tuscan + 24.6% Danish @ 4.42
10 67.4% Tuscan + 32.6% South_Dutch @ 4.43
11 73.5% Tuscan + 26.5% North_German @ 4.46
12 61.3% West_Sicilian + 38.7% Southeast_English @ 4.46
13 63.3% West_Sicilian + 36.7% Irish @ 4.53
14 67.1% Spanish_Cataluna + 32.9% Ashkenazi @ 4.55
15 59.8% Spanish_Murcia + 40.2% Bulgarian @ 4.56
16 79.5% North_Italian + 20.5% Austrian @ 4.57
17 73.3% Tuscan + 26.7% Southwest_English @ 4.59
18 81.6% Spanish_Cataluna + 18.4% Lebanese_Christian @ 4.6
19 75.9% Tuscan + 24.1% North_Dutch @ 4.61
20 61.5% Spanish_Murcia + 38.5% Greek_Thessaly @ 4.66

Amerindian -
Arabian -
Armenian -
Basque 0.10 Pct
Central_African -
Central_Euro 6.36 Pct
East_African -
East_Asian -
East_Balkan 9.15 Pct
East_Central_Asian -
East_Central_Euro 1.83 Pct
East_Med 5.60 Pct
Eastern_Euro 0.72 Pct
Fennoscandian 2.09 Pct
French 6.98 Pct
Iberian 10.84 Pct
Indo-Chinese -
Italian 29.75 Pct
Malayan -
Near_Eastern 5.60 Pct
North_African -
North_Atlantic 9.25 Pct
North_Caucasian -
North_Sea 7.65 Pct
Northeast_African -
Oceanian -
Omotic -
Pygmy -
Siberian -
South_Asian -
South_Central_Asian -
South_Chinese -
Volga-Ural -
West_African -
West_Caucasian 1.26 Pct
West_Med 2.83 Pct






Mother (Northwest to Southeast France + Belgium, Luxembourg, Germany, Switzerland):

1 North_Atlantic 42.52
2 West_Med 21.14
3 Baltic 17.15
4 East_Med 11.48
5 West_Asian 6.26
6 Sub-Saharan 0.78
7 Amerindian 0.54
8 Oceanian 0.13

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 French 3.63
2 Spanish_Cataluna 7.15
3 South_Dutch 7.99
4 West_German 8.03
5 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 9.05
6 Portuguese 9.05
7 Spanish_Galicia 9.42
8 Spanish_Valencia 9.85
9 Spanish_Cantabria 10.08
10 Spanish_Murcia 10.13
11 Southwest_French 10.43
12 Spanish_Extremadura 10.6
13 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha 10.65
14 Spanish_Andalucia 11.79
15 Spanish_Aragon 12.21
16 Southeast_English 12.39
17 Southwest_English 13.28
18 North_Italian 13.55
19 Austrian 13.98
20 Orcadian 14.87

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 53.2% Spanish_Cataluna + 46.8% West_German @ 2.16
2 55.4% West_German + 44.6% Spanish_Valencia @ 2.21
3 60.1% West_German + 39.9% Spanish_Andalucia @ 2.33
4 50.5% Southwest_English + 49.5% North_Italian @ 2.35
5 53.1% Spanish_Cataluna + 46.9% South_Dutch @ 2.6
6 52.3% Southeast_English + 47.7% North_Italian @ 2.6
7 55.7% South_Dutch + 44.3% Spanish_Valencia @ 2.61
8 69.5% Spanish_Cataluna + 30.5% North_German @ 2.65
9 57.7% West_German + 42.3% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 2.66
10 60.4% South_Dutch + 39.6% Spanish_Andalucia @ 2.68
11 61.5% Spanish_Valencia + 38.5% North_German @ 2.7
12 54.1% North_Italian + 45.9% West_Scottish @ 2.71
13 56.8% Spanish_Andalucia + 43.2% North_German @ 2.71
14 61.2% West_German + 38.8% Spanish_Aragon @ 2.83
15 53.8% North_Italian + 46.2% Irish @ 2.84
16 52.4% North_Italian + 47.6% Orcadian @ 2.85
17 56.5% West_German + 43.5% Spanish_Murcia @ 2.9
18 56.4% West_German + 43.6% Spanish_Cantabria @ 3.03
19 74.8% Spanish_Cataluna + 25.2% Swedish @ 3.12
20 71% Spanish_Cataluna + 29% Danish @ 3.16

1 Atlantic 32.3
2 North_Sea 24.39
3 West_Med 15.48
4 Baltic 9.68
5 East_Med 8.72
6 West_Asian 5.18
7 Eastern_Euro 3.44
8 Sub-Saharan 0.54
9 Amerindian 0.27

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Spanish_Cataluna 6.82
2 French 7.61
3 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 8.04
4 Spanish_Murcia 9.17
5 Spanish_Valencia 9.46
6 Portuguese 9.75
7 South_Dutch 9.77
8 Spanish_Cantabria 10.07
9 Spanish_Extremadura 10.13
10 Southwest_French 10.16
11 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha 10.24
12 Spanish_Galicia 10.41
13 Spanish_Aragon 10.75
14 Spanish_Andalucia 11.46
15 Southwest_English 12.67
16 North_Italian 13.31
17 Southeast_English 13.39
18 West_German 13.57
19 North_German 14.62
20 Irish 15.04

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 62.5% Spanish_Valencia + 37.5% Irish @ 3.56
2 61.8% Spanish_Valencia + 38.2% North_German @ 3.57
3 57.3% Spanish_Andalucia + 42.7% Irish @ 3.67
4 65.1% Spanish_Valencia + 34.9% North_Dutch @ 3.76
5 59.7% Spanish_Valencia + 40.3% Southeast_English @ 3.79
6 64.1% Spanish_Valencia + 35.9% West_Scottish @ 3.83
7 65.1% Spanish_Valencia + 34.9% Danish @ 3.94
8 54.3% Spanish_Andalucia + 45.7% Southeast_English @ 3.96
9 58.9% Spanish_Andalucia + 41.1% West_Scottish @ 3.98
10 56.7% Spanish_Andalucia + 43.3% North_German @ 4.06
11 58.5% Spanish_Aragon + 41.5% North_German @ 4.06
12 66.2% Spanish_Valencia + 33.8% Orcadian @ 4.13
13 60.2% Spanish_Andalucia + 39.8% North_Dutch @ 4.15
14 58.5% Spanish_Valencia + 41.5% Southwest_English @ 4.2
15 60% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha + 40% North_German @ 4.26
16 60% Spanish_Andalucia + 40% Danish @ 4.26
17 73.1% Spanish_Cataluna + 26.9% Irish @ 4.27
18 70.7% Spanish_Valencia + 29.3% Swedish @ 4.3
19 51% Spanish_Valencia + 49% South_Dutch @ 4.31
20 72.6% Spanish_Cataluna + 27.4% North_German @ 4.31


Amerindian -
Arabian -
Armenian 4.19 Pct
Basque 3.60 Pct
Central_African -
Central_Euro 6.81 Pct
East_African -
East_Asian -
East_Balkan 2.72 Pct
East_Central_Asian -
East_Central_Euro 3.29 Pct
East_Med -
Eastern_Euro -
Fennoscandian 6.31 Pct
French 10.54 Pct
Iberian 21.82 Pct
Indo-Chinese -
Italian 15.56 Pct
Malayan -
Near_Eastern -
North_African -
North_Atlantic 10.82 Pct
North_Caucasian 0.96 Pct
North_Sea 9.32 Pct
Northeast_African -
Oceanian -
Omotic -
Pygmy -
Siberian -
South_Asian -
South_Central_Asian -
South_Chinese -
Volga-Ural -
West_African -
West_Caucasian -
West_Med 4.06 Pct




My Friend (their son):

1 North_Atlantic 36.95
2 West_Med 20.42
3 Baltic 16.86
4 East_Med 16.39
5 West_Asian 6.67
6 Red_Sea 1.24
7 Amerindian 1.19
8 Sub-Saharan 0.27

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 French 7.63
2 Portuguese 8.52
3 North_Italian 8.66
4 Spanish_Cataluna 8.75
5 Spanish_Galicia 9.66
6 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 10
7 Spanish_Extremadura 10.04
8 Spanish_Murcia 10.14
9 Spanish_Valencia 10.24
10 West_German 11.25
11 Spanish_Andalucia 11.77
12 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha 11.81
13 South_Dutch 12.12
14 Spanish_Cantabria 12.38
15 Southwest_French 13.33
16 Tuscan 13.45
17 Serbian 13.64
18 Romanian 13.92
19 Spanish_Aragon 14.26
20 Austrian 14.55

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 56.8% North_Italian + 43.2% West_German @ 2.18
2 56.6% Tuscan + 43.4% Southeast_English @ 2.28
3 69.3% North_Italian + 30.7% North_German @ 2.3
4 72.9% North_Italian + 27.1% Norwegian @ 2.32
5 70.7% North_Italian + 29.3% Danish @ 2.36
6 70.8% North_Italian + 29.2% North_Dutch @ 2.45
7 73.4% North_Italian + 26.6% Swedish @ 2.46
8 59.9% Tuscan + 40.1% Orcadian @ 2.52
9 52.7% South_Dutch + 47.3% Tuscan @ 2.54
10 54.7% West_German + 45.3% Tuscan @ 2.69
11 58.9% North_Italian + 41.1% South_Dutch @ 2.7
12 63% Tuscan + 37% Norwegian @ 2.79
13 67.8% North_Italian + 32.2% Southeast_English @ 2.81
14 60.4% Tuscan + 39.6% North_Dutch @ 2.82
15 61.1% Tuscan + 38.9% Irish @ 2.85
16 70.7% North_Italian + 29.3% Orcadian @ 2.88
17 60.4% Tuscan + 39.6% Danish @ 2.91
18 71.7% French + 28.3% Greek_Thessaly @ 2.93
19 61.4% Tuscan + 38.6% West_Scottish @ 2.94
20 58.7% Tuscan + 41.3% Southwest_English @ 2.94

1 Atlantic 26.99
2 North_Sea 22.07
3 West_Med 15.19
4 East_Med 12.47
5 Baltic 9.8
6 West_Asian 7.07
7 Eastern_Euro 3.64
8 Red_Sea 1.86
9 Amerindian 0.89
10 Sub-Saharan 0.01

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Spanish_Cataluna 7.45
2 French 8.07
3 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 8.31
4 Portuguese 8.62
5 Spanish_Murcia 8.73
6 North_Italian 8.73
7 Spanish_Extremadura 9.1
8 Spanish_Galicia 9.17
9 Spanish_Valencia 10.15
10 Spanish_Andalucia 11.09
11 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha 11.19
12 South_Dutch 11.33
13 Spanish_Cantabria 11.87
14 Southwest_French 12.44
15 Spanish_Aragon 12.61
16 Tuscan 13.01
17 Serbian 13.09
18 West_German 13.49
19 Austrian 13.75
20 Romanian 14.12

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 66.5% North_Italian + 33.5% North_German @ 3.29
2 68.9% North_Italian + 31.1% Irish @ 3.31
3 58.7% Tuscan + 41.3% Irish @ 3.4
4 70.1% North_Italian + 29.9% West_Scottish @ 3.57
5 56.2% Tuscan + 43.8% Southeast_English @ 3.65
6 66.9% North_Italian + 33.1% Southeast_English @ 3.68
7 70% North_Italian + 30% Danish @ 3.75
8 70.1% North_Italian + 29.9% North_Dutch @ 3.78
9 59.9% Tuscan + 40.1% West_Scottish @ 3.8
10 55.1% Tuscan + 44.9% Southwest_English @ 3.93
11 57.7% North_Italian + 42.3% South_Dutch @ 3.94
12 53.9% South_Dutch + 46.1% Tuscan @ 4.02
13 71.8% North_Italian + 28.2% Orcadian @ 4.1
14 66.5% North_Italian + 33.5% Southwest_English @ 4.22
15 56.3% Tuscan + 43.7% North_German @ 4.31
16 74.2% North_Italian + 25.8% Swedish @ 4.43
17 55% Southwest_English + 45% West_Sicilian @ 4.46
18 64.6% French + 35.4% Tuscan @ 4.5
19 69.3% Spanish_Cataluna + 30.7% Romanian @ 4.51
20 60% Tuscan + 40% North_Dutch @ 4.52


Amerindian -
Arabian -
Armenian 1.64 Pct
Basque 3.08 Pct
Central_African -
Central_Euro 8.45 Pct
East_African -
East_Asian -
East_Balkan 8.69 Pct
East_Central_Asian -
East_Central_Euro 1.55 Pct
East_Med 3.04 Pct
Eastern_Euro -
Fennoscandian 4.95 Pct
French 6.37 Pct
Iberian 10.58 Pct
Indo-Chinese -
Italian 24.80 Pct
Malayan -
Near_Eastern 2.59 Pct
North_African -
North_Atlantic 9.60 Pct
North_Caucasian 0.65 Pct
North_Sea 9.71 Pct
Northeast_African -
Oceanian -
Omotic -
Pygmy -
Siberian -
South_Asian -
South_Central_Asian -
South_Chinese -
Volga-Ural -
West_African -
West_Caucasian 0.44 Pct
West_Med 3.84 Pct




Parents (father in red, mother in green) + my friend (in orange):
https://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2020/03/3/1579096006-fathermother.png
For some damn reason the Italian scores less West Asian than the Frenchwoman. Southern Italians often get as much as 15% WA!

[dududud]

For some damn reason the Italian scores less West Asian than the Frenchwoman. Southern Italians often get as much as 15% WA!

Well, he's from Northern Italy, this is why maybe he scores less west asian?

[Samnium]

Your ancestral region is close to Geneva?

Yes. Very close actually.

I live near the border.

[dududud]

For some damn reason the Italian scores less West Asian than the Frenchwoman. Southern Italians often get as much as 15% WA!

On the K13, My mother (half sardinian and french) get 3.47 West asian and my father (fully french) get 4.01.

[Samnium]

On the K13, My mother (half sardinian and french) get 3.47 West asian and my father (fully french) get 4.01.

How much E.Med for your father ? Pretty low I suppose. Below 10% sure.

[Nordarya]

Yes. Very close actually.

I live near the border.


https://youtu.be/e2nKhDSx-fw

[Nordarya]

I have my friend's family tree. His has a ancestor: Louis Marius Claude CARVIN, from Marseille
https://gw.geneanet.org/bfranzin?lang=fr&n=carvin&oc=0&p=louis+marius+claude

Is this half-Venetian the Apricity member with the Venetian permission group banner?

[dududud]

How much E.Med for your father ? Pretty low I suppose. Below 10% sure.

7.36 my father.


North_Atlantic 51.99 Pct
Baltic 15.18 Pct
West_Med 17.65 Pct
West_Asian 4.01 Pct
East_Med 7.36 Pct
Red_Sea 0.56 Pct
South_Asian 0.07 Pct
East_Asian 1.73 Pct
Siberian -
Amerindian -
Oceanian 0.82 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan 0.62 Pct


My mother:

North_Atlantic 30.87 Pct
Baltic 13.30 Pct
West_Med 32.83 Pct
West_Asian 3.47 Pct
East_Med 17.88 Pct
Red_Sea 0.19 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian 1.23 Pct
Siberian -
Amerindian 0.15 Pct
Oceanian 0.08 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -


Mother has more East-med (could be inherited from the father mixed with the mother, for example i have more west asian than my mother and father, weird thing on gedmatch) but less red sea and West asian, but both have East Asian.

[Samnium]

7.36 my father.


North_Atlantic 51.99 Pct
Baltic 15.18 Pct
West_Med 17.65 Pct
West_Asian 4.01 Pct
East_Med 7.36 Pct
Red_Sea 0.56 Pct
South_Asian 0.07 Pct
East_Asian 1.73 Pct
Siberian -
Amerindian -
Oceanian 0.82 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan 0.62 Pct


My mother:

North_Atlantic 30.87 Pct
Baltic 13.30 Pct
West_Med 32.83 Pct
West_Asian 3.47 Pct
East_Med 17.88 Pct
Red_Sea 0.19 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian 1.23 Pct
Siberian -
Amerindian 0.15 Pct
Oceanian 0.08 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -


Mother has more East-med (could be inherited from the father mixed with the mother, for example i have more west asian than my mother and father, weird thing on gedmatch) but less red sea and West asian, but both have East Asian.

Yeah there are calculator effects.

[Leto]

7.36 my father.


North_Atlantic 51.99 Pct
Baltic 15.18 Pct
West_Med 17.65 Pct
West_Asian 4.01 Pct
East_Med 7.36 Pct
Red_Sea 0.56 Pct
South_Asian 0.07 Pct
East_Asian 1.73 Pct
Siberian -
Amerindian -
Oceanian 0.82 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan 0.62 Pct


My mother:

North_Atlantic 30.87 Pct
Baltic 13.30 Pct
West_Med 32.83 Pct
West_Asian 3.47 Pct
East_Med 17.88 Pct
Red_Sea 0.19 Pct
South_Asian -
East_Asian 1.23 Pct
Siberian -
Amerindian 0.15 Pct
Oceanian 0.08 Pct
Northeast_African -
Sub-Saharan -


Mother has more East-med (could be inherited from the father mixed with the mother, for example i have more west asian than my mother and father, weird thing on gedmatch) but less red sea and West asian, but both have East Asian.
Your father is super fucking Atlantic, 52%! More than many British and Dutch people.

[dududud]

Your father is super fucking Atlantic, 52%! More than many British and Dutch people.

Yeah, that's the big atlantic boi.

[Adamastor]

I have my friend's family tree. His has a ancestor: Louis Marius Claude CARVIN, from Marseille
https://gw.geneanet.org/bfranzin?lang=fr&n=carvin&oc=0&p=louis+marius+claude

Despite Carvin being a name from a French ancestor it sounds very Venetian. Names ending in ''in'' are very common among Northeast Italians.

Almost all my paternal surnames end in ''in''.

[Samnium]

Despite Carvin being a name from a French ancestor it sounds very Venetian. Names ending in ''in'' are very common among Northeast Italians.

Almost all my paternal surnames end in ''in''.

You might find interesting but by surname end also in "in", but the name is rather germanic than venitian in etymology.

[Vid Flumina]

You might find interesting but by surname end also in "in", but the name is rather germanic than venitian in etymology.

Interestingly, on my Venetian side name ends in -er but with clear Latin roots (e.g. Zanier, Fuser, Montagner, Moroder etc.)

Also Carvin does NOT sound Venetian, but Cardin does.

[dududud]

Interestingly, on my Venetian side name ends in -er but with clear Latin roots (e.g. Zanier, Fuser, Montagner, Moroder etc.)

Also Carvin does NOT sound Venetian, but Cardin does.

Carvin is from his french side...


Global 25 father:

,PC1,PC2,PC3,PC4,PC5,PC6,PC7,PC8,PC9,PC10,PC11,PC1 2,PC13,PC14,PC15,PC16,PC17,PC18,PC19,PC20,PC21,PC2 2,PC23,PC24,PC25
A_Franzin_scaled,0.127482,0.148267,0.032809,-0.003553,0.033237,0.001116,0.002115,-0.003,0.012885,0.025878,0.000974,0.004946,-0.006392,0,-0.003257,-0.008088,-0.01356,0.005321,0.010056,-0.006253,-0.003369,0.006801,0.002465,0.002289,-0.005628

,PC1,PC2,PC3,PC4,PC5,PC6,PC7,PC8,PC9,PC10,PC11,PC1 2,PC13,PC14,PC15,PC16,PC17,PC18,PC19,PC20,PC21,PC2 2,PC23,PC24,PC25
A_Franzin,0.0112,0.0146,0.0087,-0.0011,0.0108,0.0004,0.0009,-0.0013,0.0063,0.0142,0.0006,0.0033,-0.0043,0,-0.0024,-0.0061,-0.0104,0.0042,0.008,-0.005,-0.0027,0.0055,0.002,0.0019,-0.0047

Target: A_Franzin_scaled
Distance: 2.0512% / 0.02051208 | ADC: 1x
58.0 Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige
42.0 Italian_Lombardy

[Vid Flumina]

Carvin is from his french side...


Global 25 father:

,PC1,PC2,PC3,PC4,PC5,PC6,PC7,PC8,PC9,PC10,PC11,PC1 2,PC13,PC14,PC15,PC16,PC17,PC18,PC19,PC20,PC21,PC2 2,PC23,PC24,PC25
A_Franzin_scaled,0.127482,0.148267,0.032809,-0.003553,0.033237,0.001116,0.002115,-0.003,0.012885,0.025878,0.000974,0.004946,-0.006392,0,-0.003257,-0.008088,-0.01356,0.005321,0.010056,-0.006253,-0.003369,0.006801,0.002465,0.002289,-0.005628

,PC1,PC2,PC3,PC4,PC5,PC6,PC7,PC8,PC9,PC10,PC11,PC1 2,PC13,PC14,PC15,PC16,PC17,PC18,PC19,PC20,PC21,PC2 2,PC23,PC24,PC25
A_Franzin,0.0112,0.0146,0.0087,-0.0011,0.0108,0.0004,0.0009,-0.0013,0.0063,0.0142,0.0006,0.0033,-0.0043,0,-0.0024,-0.0061,-0.0104,0.0042,0.008,-0.005,-0.0027,0.0055,0.002,0.0019,-0.0047

Target: A_Franzin_scaled
Distance: 2.0512% / 0.02051208 | ADC: 1x
58.0 Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige
42.0 Italian_Lombardy

Interesting results, his East Med seems actually below average for Veneto. Has lots of farmer admixture though, similar to a Lombard in that regard but with more steppe and less Anatolia_BA.

I pruned some of the outliers from G25 North Italian clusters, here's his position on a PCA with few individuals with verified genealogy (including another result from Treviso):

https://i.imgur.com/7eWYNOr.png

[dududud]

Interesting results, his East Med seems actually below average for Veneto. Has lots of farmer admixture though, similar to a Lombard in that regard but with more steppe and less Anatolia_BA.

I pruned some of the outliers from G25 North Italian clusters, here's his position on a PCA with few individuals with verified genealogy (including another result from Treviso):

https://i.imgur.com/7eWYNOr.png

Thanks.

[dududud]

0.02252771 Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige
0.02325795 Italian_Lombardy
0.02417062 Italian_Veneto
0.02475507 Italian_Bergamo
0.02816974 Italian_Liguria
0.02824043 Italian_Northeast
0.02914680 Italian_Piedmont
0.03014642 Italian_Aosta_Valley
0.03153401 Spanish_Menorca
0.03217629 French_Provence
0.03350702 Spanish_Eivissa
0.03364245 Spanish_Mallorca
0.03442386 Spanish_Baleares
0.03530244 Swiss_Italian
0.03538669 Spanish_Terres_de_l'Ebre
0.03625410 Spanish_Peri-Barcelona
0.03637648 Spanish_Camp_de_Tarragona
0.03638893 Spanish_Barcelones
0.03668371 Spanish_Girona
0.03766971 Spanish_Penedes
0.03769523 French_Auvergne
0.03778008 Spanish_Lleida
0.03796329 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha
0.03817387 Spanish_Catalunya_Central
0.03855253 Italian_Tuscany

[dududud]

Interesting results, his East Med seems actually below average for Veneto. Has lots of farmer admixture though, similar to a Lombard in that regard but with more steppe and less Anatolia_BA.

I pruned some of the outliers from G25 North Italian clusters, here's his position on a PCA with few individuals with verified genealogy (including another result from Treviso):

https://i.imgur.com/7eWYNOr.png

Do you means he has less east-med than on K13?

[Vid Flumina]

Do you means he has less east-med than on K13?

Sardinians on K13 have almost the same East Med as Tuscans, dunno if that makes sense to you considering how drifted the latter are since pre-Roman times. For actual East Med input I recommend sticking to G25 and proper ancient references

[dududud]

Sardinians on K13 have almost the same East Med as Tuscans, dunno if that makes sense to you considering how drifted the latter are since pre-Roman times. For actual East Med input I recommend sticking to G25 and proper ancient references

Depending the sardinians: some have 20.00, some have 15.00. It's not very homogeneous.

How do you see the east-med contribution on calculators based on global 25?

[Vid Flumina]

How do you see the east-med contribution on calculators based on global 25?

About 10-15% on average for Sardinia (with Nuragic samples I can give you a more accurate estimate) and probably around 1/3 for Tuscany

[dududud]

About 10-15% on average for Sardinia (with Nuragic samples I can give you a more accurate estimate) and probably around 1/3 for Tuscany

Thanks.

Here are some correspondents from my friend's father's side, some seem North Italian:


1 North_Atlantic 27.93
2 West_Med 19.98
3 Baltic 17.85
4 East_Med 17.58
5 West_Asian 7.97
6 Red_Sea 4.36
7 Amerindian 3.2
8 Sub-Saharan 0.61
9 East_Asian 0.52

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Romanian 8.6
2 North_Italian 9.24
3 Bulgarian 9.68
4 Serbian 10.34
5 Tuscan 10.57
6 Greek_Thessaly 11.28
7 Portuguese 13.68
8 Spanish_Galicia 14.4
9 Spanish_Extremadura 14.48
10 Italian_Abruzzo 14.59
11 French 14.87
12 West_Sicilian 15.32
13 Spanish_Cataluna 15.57
14 Spanish_Murcia 15.65
15 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 15.82
16 Spanish_Valencia 16.19
17 Hungarian 16.32
18 Spanish_Andalucia 16.64
19 Moldavian 16.78
20 Austrian 16.94

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 61.1% Bulgarian + 38.9% Spanish_Extremadura @ 3.75
2 59.7% Bulgarian + 40.3% Portuguese @ 3.94
3 63.2% Bulgarian + 36.8% Spanish_Murcia @ 3.95
4 57.6% Greek_Thessaly + 42.4% French @ 4.01
5 64.6% Romanian + 35.4% Spanish_Extremadura @ 4.01
6 61.1% Bulgarian + 38.9% Spanish_Galicia @ 4.07
7 63.6% Bulgarian + 36.4% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 4.12
8 61.9% Tuscan + 38.1% Hungarian @ 4.12
9 74.7% Tuscan + 25.3% Polish @ 4.13
10 55.9% West_Sicilian + 44.1% East_German @ 4.16
11 71.8% Tuscan + 28.2% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 4.17
12 78.5% Tuscan + 21.5% Estonian @ 4.22
13 65.3% Tuscan + 34.7% Croatian @ 4.23
14 70.8% Greek_Thessaly + 29.2% Southwest_English @ 4.25
15 63.1% Greek_Thessaly + 36.9% South_Dutch @ 4.27
16 66.8% Romanian + 33.2% Spanish_Murcia @ 4.27
17 66% Bulgarian + 34% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 4.28
18 73.1% Tuscan + 26.9% Ukrainian @ 4.35
19 52.7% West_Sicilian + 47.3% Austrian @ 4.35
20 52.3% Romanian + 47.7% North_Italian @ 4.35


1 North_Atlantic 37.07
2 West_Med 19.35
3 East_Med 19.09
4 Baltic 15.45
5 West_Asian 4.64
6 Red_Sea 2.82
7 Siberian 0.83
8 South_Asian 0.49
9 Northeast_African 0.22
10 Amerindian 0.04

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 North_Italian 8.36
2 Portuguese 8.49
3 French 9.12
4 Spanish_Cataluna 9.38
5 Spanish_Murcia 9.86
6 Spanish_Galicia 9.91
7 Spanish_Extremadura 10.08
8 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 10.12
9 Spanish_Valencia 10.36
10 Spanish_Andalucia 11.95
11 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha 12.14
12 Tuscan 12.27
13 West_German 13.15
14 Spanish_Cantabria 13.25
15 South_Dutch 13.88
16 Spanish_Aragon 14.46
17 Southwest_French 14.57
18 Serbian 14.87
19 Romanian 14.96
20 Austrian 16.57

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 61.1% Tuscan + 38.9% Southeast_English @ 3.11
2 76.6% French + 23.4% Italian_Jewish @ 3.13
3 73.8% French + 26.2% Ashkenazi @ 3.14
4 64.3% Tuscan + 35.7% Orcadian @ 3.47
5 60.1% Southeast_English + 39.9% Italian_Jewish @ 3.48
6 61% Southeast_English + 39% Algerian_Jewish @ 3.49
7 77.6% French + 22.4% Algerian_Jewish @ 3.52
8 64.6% Tuscan + 35.4% Danish @ 3.61
9 65.5% Tuscan + 34.5% West_Scottish @ 3.64
10 79.5% French + 20.5% Tunisian_Jewish @ 3.65
11 77.2% French + 22.8% Sephardic_Jewish @ 3.66
12 64.7% Tuscan + 35.3% North_Dutch @ 3.69
13 58.3% Southwest_English + 41.7% Italian_Jewish @ 3.71
14 63.2% Tuscan + 36.8% Southwest_English @ 3.71
15 53.3% Tuscan + 46.7% South_Dutch @ 3.73
16 58.4% French + 41.6% Tuscan @ 3.76
17 67.1% Tuscan + 32.9% Norwegian @ 3.77
18 50.3% West_Sicilian + 49.7% Southeast_English @ 3.78
19 68.9% French + 31.1% West_Sicilian @ 3.84
20 79.8% French + 20.2% Libyan_Jewish @ 3.85


# Population (source) Distance
1 Hungarian 5.01
2 Serbian 5.25
3 Croatian 6.66
4 Moldavian 6.75
5 Austrian 8.84
6 Romanian 9.34
7 East_German 9.89
8 Bulgarian 11.83
9 South_Polish 12.42
10 Ukrainian_Lviv 12.76
11 Ukrainian 13.73
12 West_German 15.21
13 Polish 16.16
14 South_Dutch 16.7
15 Southwest_Russian 17.18
16 Ukrainian_Belgorod 17.58
17 French 17.92
18 North_German 18.41
19 Russian_Smolensk 18.58
20 Estonian_Polish 18.99

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 54.2% Belorussian + 45.8% Tuscan @ 2.57
2 68.7% South_Polish + 31.3% West_Sicilian @ 2.57
3 65.1% South_Polish + 34.9% Tuscan @ 2.59
4 73.2% Serbian + 26.8% South_Polish @ 2.84
5 83.8% Serbian + 16.2% Estonian @ 2.88
6 51.4% Tuscan + 48.6% Lithuanian @ 2.88
7 81.8% Serbian + 18.2% Southwest_Finnish @ 2.9
8 81.3% Serbian + 18.7% Belorussian @ 2.91
9 51.7% Hungarian + 48.3% Serbian @ 2.92
10 73.9% Hungarian + 26.1% Bulgarian @ 2.95
11 78.6% Serbian + 21.4% Polish @ 2.97
12 74.7% South_Polish + 25.3% Italian_Jewish @ 2.98
13 55.2% Russian_Smolensk + 44.8% Tuscan @ 3.02
14 87.8% Hungarian + 12.2% Ashkenazi @ 3.02
15 84.8% Serbian + 15.2% Lithuanian @ 3.05
16 67.8% South_Polish + 32.2% Italian_Abruzzo @ 3.06
17 81.5% Serbian + 18.5% Estonian_Polish @ 3.06
18 54.6% Estonian_Polish + 45.4% Tuscan @ 3.1
19 83.3% Hungarian + 16.7% Greek_Thessaly @ 3.1
20 84.2% Serbian + 15.8% Finnish @ 3.12


1 North_Atlantic 32.92
2 West_Med 20.65
3 Baltic 16.25
4 East_Med 14.76
5 West_Asian 9.23
6 Red_Sea 3.56
7 Amerindian 1.68
8 South_Asian 0.92
9 Oceanian 0.04

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 North_Italian 7.9
2 Portuguese 10.08
3 French 10.17
4 Spanish_Galicia 10.71
5 Spanish_Extremadura 10.91
6 Spanish_Cataluna 11.28
7 Romanian 11.57
8 Tuscan 11.79
9 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 11.94
10 Spanish_Murcia 12.02
11 Serbian 12.13
12 Spanish_Valencia 12.52
13 Spanish_Andalucia 12.97
14 West_German 13.35
15 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha 13.36
16 Bulgarian 13.38
17 Spanish_Cantabria 14.11
18 South_Dutch 14.32
19 Southwest_French 15.13
20 Austrian 15.18

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 60.4% French + 39.6% Greek_Thessaly @ 2.57
2 67.2% French + 32.8% Central_Greek @ 2.77
3 68.3% French + 31.7% East_Sicilian @ 3.22
4 51.6% Spanish_Extremadura + 48.4% Romanian @ 3.23
5 62% South_Dutch + 38% South_Italian @ 3.32
6 53.9% Romanian + 46.1% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 3.36
7 51.4% Central_Greek + 48.6% Southwest_English @ 3.38
8 58.9% South_Dutch + 41.1% Central_Greek @ 3.46
9 51.1% Romanian + 48.9% Spanish_Murcia @ 3.49
10 59.8% South_Dutch + 40.2% East_Sicilian @ 3.5
11 59% Romanian + 41% Spanish_Aragon @ 3.51
12 55.7% South_Dutch + 44.3% West_Sicilian @ 3.54
13 53.4% Tuscan + 46.6% West_German @ 3.56
14 50.4% East_Sicilian + 49.6% Southwest_English @ 3.58
15 63.2% French + 36.8% Italian_Abruzzo @ 3.59
16 68.6% Tuscan + 31.4% Swedish @ 3.6
17 50.9% Romanian + 49.1% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 3.6
18 64.5% Tuscan + 35.5% North_German @ 3.6
19 79.2% French + 20.8% Cyprian @ 3.62
20 70.5% French + 29.5% South_Italian @ 3.62

[Aren]

Carvin is from his french side...


Global 25 father:

,PC1,PC2,PC3,PC4,PC5,PC6,PC7,PC8,PC9,PC10,PC11,PC1 2,PC13,PC14,PC15,PC16,PC17,PC18,PC19,PC20,PC21,PC2 2,PC23,PC24,PC25
A_Franzin_scaled,0.127482,0.148267,0.032809,-0.003553,0.033237,0.001116,0.002115,-0.003,0.012885,0.025878,0.000974,0.004946,-0.006392,0,-0.003257,-0.008088,-0.01356,0.005321,0.010056,-0.006253,-0.003369,0.006801,0.002465,0.002289,-0.005628

,PC1,PC2,PC3,PC4,PC5,PC6,PC7,PC8,PC9,PC10,PC11,PC1 2,PC13,PC14,PC15,PC16,PC17,PC18,PC19,PC20,PC21,PC2 2,PC23,PC24,PC25
A_Franzin,0.0112,0.0146,0.0087,-0.0011,0.0108,0.0004,0.0009,-0.0013,0.0063,0.0142,0.0006,0.0033,-0.0043,0,-0.0024,-0.0061,-0.0104,0.0042,0.008,-0.005,-0.0027,0.0055,0.002,0.0019,-0.0047

Target: A_Franzin_scaled
Distance: 2.0512% / 0.02051208 | ADC: 1x
58.0 Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige
42.0 Italian_Lombardy

I've been trying to find North Italians who have PCA 25 coordinates.

His results look normal

Target: A_Franzin_scaled
Distance: 1.6844% / 0.01684446

63.6 ITA_Etruscan
14.2 Germanic_MA
13.2 ITA_Rome_Imperial
9.0 Slav_MA

[Flashball]

Add a little thing: The surname Carvin was originally "Calvino", coming from his Ligurian ancestor (15th century) >>>
https://gw.geneanet.org/bfranzin?lang=en&iz=0&p=jacques+jacometou&n=cauvin

"the name was Calvino, it gave mainly Cauvins, and a little Carvin and Calvin"

But between this Ligurian ancestor and Louis Marius Claude CARVIN, born in 1855, there are several centuries of separation, and autosomally speaking i think that Louis Marius Claude CARVIN was less than 1% Ligurian.