R1b still considered I.E?

[The Sun King]

Pardon my ignorance on the subject but is R1b still considered indo European these days? I'm hearing its solely R1a and R1b is neolithic or something else.

[Dick]

Lol you’re the guy that thought he was R1b and ftdna faked your results :rotfl:

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?225692-FTDNA

"Rethel the whole thing is made up. FTDNA is a crackpot company well in my case. Your results are probably correct. Mine have been forged. Its a lie. I'm not in Haplogroup G. I'm actually supposed to be in Haplogroup R1b. Read the vcf I have read the BigY read the STR profile its all a lie all of it! If can't see that your not indo European like me. Because your intelligence level is too low to be Indo European. Its a lie and I'll sue this company for faking kit 458058 and directly lying to me. FAKE fake fake."

[The Sun King]

Lol you’re the guy that thought he was R1b and ftdna faked your results :rotfl:

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?225692-FTDNA

"Rethel the whole thing is made up. FTDNA is a crackpot company well in my case. Your results are probably correct. Mine have been forged. Its a lie. I'm not in Haplogroup G. I'm actually supposed to be in Haplogroup R1b. Read the vcf I have read the BigY read the STR profile its all a lie all of it! If can't see that your not indo European like me. Because your intelligence level is too low to be Indo European. Its a lie and I'll sue this company for faking kit 458058 and directly lying to me. FAKE fake fake." I misread the vcf file....they are tricky. I got the Ref and Alt columns backwards and the Ref column was that of an R1b person which confused me.

[Synapsid]

R1b-V88 is Mesolithic, but all R1b-M296 derived HG either comes from Eastern Hunter Gathers/Scandinavian Hunter Gathers, Neolithic Ukranians, Baltic HG and most Importantly, Steppe_EMBA

[Dick]

I misread the vcf file....they are tricky. I got the Ref and Alt columns backwards and the Ref column was that of an R1b person which confused me.

Anyway I and G are Neolithic

[The Sun King]

R1b-V88 is Mesolithic, but all R1b-M296 derived HG either comes from Eastern Hunter Gathers/Scandinavian Hunter Gathers, Neolithic Ukranians, Baltic HG and most Importantly, Steppe_EMBA Thank you for this. I wasn't quite sure.

[The Sun King]

Anyway I and G are Neolithic I'm well aware of this but thanks anyway.

[Arch Hades]

The earliest Indo-European speakers probably had loads of R1b but R1b I believe has been found in Neolithic Farmer like samples from Italy. So a lot of R1b in Europe today could come from the earliest Indo-European speakers, but certainly not all of it.

[Synapsid]

The earliest Indo-European speakers probably had loads of R1b but R1b I believe has been found in Neolithic Farmer like samples from Italy. So a lot of R1b in Europe today could come from the earliest Indo-European speakers, but certainly not all of it.

Yes. Some EEF had R1b, but is the WHG R1b-V88 variant, not Steppe/EHG varient.

[Arch Hades]

Yes. Some EEF had R1b, but is the WHG R1b-V88 variant, not Steppe/EHG varient.

Uhh V88 is an African varient.

[vbnetkhio]

Uhh V88 is an African varient.

it used to be widespread in Europe in the Paleolithic. it migrated into Africa through South Italy

[Synapsid]

Uhh V88 is an African varient.

It originated from Mesolithic Europeans (WHG) and became a rare Y-DNA during the Neolithic but some EEF individuals carried R1b-V88. You then had the replacement of Iberomasurians in North Africa by Neolithic Iberians which resulted in the formation of Khalif-el boroud like population in North Africa (Neolithic Iberia + some taforalt) which probably spread it to the ancestors chadic speakers during the Afro-Asiatic expansion or trans-saharan migration. All R* has ANE origins, its not african lol

[Arch Hades]

It originated from Mesolithic Europeans (WHG) and became a rare Y-DNA during the Neolithic but some EEF individuals carried R1b-V88. You then had the replacement of Iberomasurians in North Africa by Neolithic Iberians which resulted in the formation of Khalif-el boroud like population in North Africa (Neolithic Iberia + some taforalt) which probably spread it to the ancestors chadic speakers during the Afro-Asiatic expansion or trans-saharan migration. All R* has ANE origins, its not african lol

There's been an ancient sample found in Europe with V88? Can you link me to the source?

[Synapsid]

There's been an ancient sample found in Europe with V88? Can you link me to the source?

https://indo-european.eu/2019/03/ancient-sardinia-hints-at-mesolithic-spread-of-r1b-v88-and-western-eef-related-expansion-of-vasconic/

[Arch Hades]

https://indo-european.eu/2019/03/ancient-sardinia-hints-at-mesolithic-spread-of-r1b-v88-and-western-eef-related-expansion-of-vasconic/

Thanks. I didn't know that.

Do you know the R1b Remendello culture carried? pretty sure they were genetically overall very EEF like.

[The Sun King]

Thanks guys for your input. So it is I.E. Why isnt it found in the Corded Ware culture? All R1a I believe.

[Synapsid]

Thanks. I didn't know that.

Do you know the R1b Remendello culture carried? pretty sure they were genetically overall very EEF like.

They were overwhelmingly I-M70 (i don't know if it was I2a2 or I1) derived (paternal WHG Y-DNA, common in EEF). However I don't know any R1b samples in Remendello.

[Pine]

There is no answer to this question because it's stupid. R1b predates Indo-Europeans and is found all over Western Eurasia and even in SSA Africa. It also didn't originate on European territory.

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

R-M269 is PIE, and that is vast majority of European R1b.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a3/Geographical_distribution_of_haplogroup_frequency_ of_hgR1b1b2.png/1280px-Geographical_distribution_of_haplogroup_frequency_ of_hgR1b1b2.png