Hungarian leader autosomal

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

Target: K2_52_vengr_lider
Distance: 3.9960% / 3.99600707
35.8 Lezgin
33.0 Latvian
26.8 Abhkasian
3.2 Dai
1.2 Yoruban

Target: K2_52_vengr_lider
Distance: 5.4139% / 5.41391351 | ADC: 0.25x
37.4 Chechen
27.0 Ukrainian_Belgorod
25.0 Lezgin
8.8 Bulgarian_Ruse
1.8 Dai

Target: K2_52_vengr_lider
Distance: 6.6698% / 6.66978455 | ADC: 0.5x
54.6 Chechen
19.0 Ukrainian_Belgorod
18.6 Bulgarian_Ruse
7.8 Lezgin

Distance to: K2_52_vengr_lider

19.00158678 Chechen
19.12873754 Yagnobi
19.43496077 Tabassaran
19.67869152 Lezgin
20.14293921 Kumyk
20.28540362 Turk_Kardzhali-Alevi
20.29871178 Turk_Sliven-Alevi
20.65012833 Kabardin
22.19247846 Nogay
22.84926038 Turk_Kardzhali-West
22.94958170 Balkar
23.00178471 Bulgarian_Ruse
23.20300196 Adygei
23.28234739 Turk_Drama
23.57375023 Bulgarian_Burgas
23.60676174 Turk_Kardzhali-Mountaineer
23.89777186 North_Ossetian
24.22732342 Pomak_Komotini
24.64125200 Turk_Edirne
24.67244212 Turk_Kardzhali-South-Plain
24.91431115 Pomak_Kavala
25.07564356 Turk_Komotini
25.18597626 Pomak_Drama
25.51740778 Turk_Razgrad
25.54471570 Bulgarian_Eastern-Rhodopes

[Lucas]

Target: K2_52_vengr_lider
Distance: 3.9960% / 3.99600707
35.8 Lezgin
33.0 Latvian
26.8 Abhkasian
3.2 Dai
1.2 Yoruban

Target: K2_52_vengr_lider
Distance: 5.4139% / 5.41391351 | ADC: 0.25x
37.4 Chechen
27.0 Ukrainian_Belgorod
25.0 Lezgin
8.8 Bulgarian_Ruse
1.8 Dai

Target: K2_52_vengr_lider
Distance: 6.6698% / 6.66978455 | ADC: 0.5x
54.6 Chechen
19.0 Ukrainian_Belgorod
18.6 Bulgarian_Ruse
7.8 Lezgin

Distance to: K2_52_vengr_lider

19.00158678 Chechen
19.12873754 Yagnobi
19.43496077 Tabassaran
19.67869152 Lezgin
20.14293921 Kumyk
20.28540362 Turk_Kardzhali-Alevi
20.29871178 Turk_Sliven-Alevi
20.65012833 Kabardin
22.19247846 Nogay
22.84926038 Turk_Kardzhali-West
22.94958170 Balkar
23.00178471 Bulgarian_Ruse
23.20300196 Adygei
23.28234739 Turk_Drama
23.57375023 Bulgarian_Burgas
23.60676174 Turk_Kardzhali-Mountaineer
23.89777186 North_Ossetian
24.22732342 Pomak_Komotini
24.64125200 Turk_Edirne
24.67244212 Turk_Kardzhali-South-Plain
24.91431115 Pomak_Kavala
25.07564356 Turk_Komotini
25.18597626 Pomak_Drama
25.51740778 Turk_Razgrad
25.54471570 Bulgarian_Eastern-Rhodopes


Gedmatch kit?

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

Gedmatch kit?

Dude, we should ask you. Sample is in your K13 ancient ffs.

[vbnetkhio]

Gedmatch kit?

MJ6711604

[Nakhchi]

Who is "vengr_lider"? Hungarian leader?

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

Who is "vengr_lider"? Hungarian leader?

Yep, most elite grave from recent paper on conqueror dna.

[Nakhchi]

Yep, most elite grave from recent paper on conqueror dna.

and autosmal dna shows that he is closest to Chechens in distance? sorry i dont know much about DNA

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

and autosmal dna shows that he is closest to Chechens in distance? sorry i dont know much about DNA

No problem bro, he is closest to Chechens overall but he is mixed. More than half north Caucasian in particular.

[Nakhchi]

No problem bro, he is closest to Chechens overall but he is mixed. More than half north Caucasian in particular.

Interesting thank you, what is his y-dna?

[Hrvoje Vukčić Hrvatinić]

Interesting thank you, what is his y-dna?

I2 dinaric north

[Lemgrant]

MJ6711604

3405 SNPs used in this evaluation

lol



Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 West_Asian 33.52
2 Baltic 27.39
3 North_Atlantic 13.61
4 East_Med 12.46
5 West_Med 5.01
6 East_Asian 4.63
7 Sub-Saharan 2.18
8 Oceanian 1.21

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Chechen 16.79
2 Tabassaran 17.3
3 Lezgin 17.41
4 Kumyk 17.89
5 Kabardin 18.42
6 Balkar 20.42
7 Adygei 20.5
8 North_Ossetian 21.13
9 Nogay 21.32
10 Ossetian 23.93
11 Bulgarian 24.72
12 Tadjik 24.76
13 Romanian 25.19
14 Moldavian 25.45
15 Turkmen 25.71
16 Serbian 26.5
17 Azeri 27.05
18 Tatar 27.29
19 Turkish 27.54
20 Afghan_Tadjik 27.67

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 65.7% Chechen + 34.3% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 5.96
2 66.7% Chechen + 33.3% Southwest_Russian @ 6.17
3 59.8% North_Ossetian + 40.2% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 6.2
4 69.5% Chechen + 30.5% Belorussian @ 6.34
5 64.9% Lezgin + 35.1% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 6.37
6 71.1% Chechen + 28.9% Lithuanian @ 6.37
7 55.8% Abhkasian + 44.2% Lithuanian @ 6.37
8 69.3% Chechen + 30.7% Estonian_Polish @ 6.41
9 60.6% Adygei + 39.4% Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 6.43
10 65.5% North_Ossetian + 34.5% Lithuanian @ 6.44
11 68.5% Chechen + 31.5% Russian_Smolensk @ 6.47
12 66.2% Adygei + 33.8% Lithuanian @ 6.49
13 50.2% Ukrainian_Belgorod + 49.8% Abhkasian @ 6.53
14 66% Lezgin + 34% Southwest_Russian @ 6.56
15 63.8% North_Ossetian + 36.2% Belorussian @ 6.59
16 60.9% North_Ossetian + 39.1% Southwest_Russian @ 6.65
17 66.9% Chechen + 33.1% Ukrainian @ 6.72
18 62.7% North_Ossetian + 37.3% Russian_Smolensk @ 6.74
19 68.5% Lezgin + 31.5% Estonian_Polish @ 6.76
20 66% Lezgin + 34% Ukrainian @ 6.77

[Luke35]

3405 SNPs used in this evaluation

lol

With that low an SNP count, are the results completely worthless?

[Lemgrant]

With that low an SNP count, are the results completely worthless?

probably...this is very low number

[Lucas]

Dude, we should ask you. Sample is in your K13 ancient ffs.

Oh:) But I don't rememebr all few hundred samples:)

[Crimson Winds]

I always thought of some connections between Kabar tribe and Kabardians, seems I have a point.

[oszkar07]

Looks like he is around 2/3 thirds Caucasian and 1/3 third Slavic based on the K13.

Has any Avar dna samples shown significant caucasian components ?

[Fiko0]

Looks like he is around 2/3 thirds Caucasian and 1/3 third Slavic based on the K13.

Has any Avar dna samples shown significant caucasian components ?

Western Huns were also north caucasian

[bained]

"Nearest genetic relation, region color coded: Azeri, Bronze Age Armanian (Iran, Druze)."

That's from their study, pretty close.

https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0205920#sec019

[oszkar07]

MITOMIX indicates that if all modern and ancient populations are considered as potential source, the Conquerors are best admixed from 26–38% modern Belarusians, 19–34% Tuvans, 18% ancient Baltic Late Bronze Age and 13% Srubnaya populations (S5A Table). Other possible admix components may include 9–26% Volga Tatars, Poltavka-Potapovka, Sintastha and Combed Ware populations
https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0205920#sec019


Main admixture components of Volga Tatars are 24–46% Conquerors, 20–50% Russians, 16–30% Mansis+Khantys (Yug) and 9–18% Norvegians (S5F Table).
https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0205920#sec019


1). Belarusians come to play just because of their similar European and Lipka Tatar components, while Volga Tatars still harbor a salient Conqueror like subpopulation consisting of both eastern and western lineages (S5F Table, Table 1). Thus MITOMIX confirms the direct genetic relation to Volga Tatars, detected by both Fst and SHD, and this relation must be
https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0205920#sec019

[oszkar07]

The information below seems to lean towards the "dual conquest theory " ... which I have reffered to many times regarding Hungarian speakers presence in the Karpat medence ... this study seems to suggest the language was already present when the conquerors arrived.



The large genetic diversity of the Conquerors which seemingly assembled from multiple ethnic sources and their relative low proportion, having no lasting effect on Hungarian ethnogenesis, raises doubts about the Conqueror origin of the Hungarian language. Even if our samples represent mainly the Conqueror elite, the “elite dominance” linguistic hypothesis seems inconsistent when it presumes that the same Turkic elite was first readily assimilated linguistically by Finno-Ugric groups, and then it assimilated locals of the Carpathian Basin. Turkic character of the Conquerors is indicated by their “Turk” denomination in contemporary sources as well as Turkic tribal names and person names of tribe leaders of the conquest-period [98]. Above data infer that preconquest presence of the language in the Carpathian Basin, is an equally grounded hypothesis, as had been proposed by several scientists (a summary in English is given in [99]).

https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0205920#sec019

[oszkar07]

Relation of the Conquerors to modern Hungarians
Modern Hungarians are genetically very similar to their European neighbors [89] nevertheless they contain some 3–5% east Eurasian components traceable with uniparental markers [29,90,91], (Fig 6). Genome wide SNP data also detected the presence of 4% east Asian component in modern Hungarians [92] with an approximate time of admixture dated to the first millennium AD, corresponding to the invasions of Huns, Onogur-Bulgars, Avars and Hungarian Conquerors from the Asian steppes, which are completely in line with our results.

Thus genetic heritage of the Conquerors definitely persists in modern Hungarians, but they contributed to less than 10% of the recent Hungarian gene pool, as they were not alone to bring in east Eurasian lineages. This dilution could have started with the conquer, as contemporary local population size in the Carpathian Basin was estimated larger than that of the Conquerors [93,94]. Anthropological data also have the same implication, as the Conquerors differed from the subsequent Árpádian Age population, which was more similar to preconquest Avar Age populations [95,96]. According to early anthropological studies people of the Avar and Conquest age Carpathian Basin were very heterogeneous and immigrants arrived in several phases between the 5th and 9th centuries [97], which in our view admixed with the autochthonous population, of which genetic data are still barely available between the Bronze Age and Conquest period.

https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0205920#sec019