Turks vs Lebanese

[Zuh]

Which one of these two groups are more passable to Europe or percentages of passing as Native Europeans.

[Zuh]

Some Lebanese lmao they look very Mediterranean Euro.

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn%3AANd9GcTZvLUnPUyyFP9-kBytGVbSbczgb94CyMp4sq5YRlqv9yzkzM79

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn%3AANd9GcTOfopwMcy1Id4tqXZXmELptPpPBf9 TMUKnX0wp4gb6YceF_eAf

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn%3AANd9GcSmCoVZuq3A18rm4d4qqEIOUJoot-Z8gas7U0RNsxSrAlA8489a

[porpozontokonto]

turks are mostly west asian. the lebanese are mostly closer to southern euro populations. an average lebanese will look more mediterranean than an average turk.

[kalach]

Turks are extremely diverse. You can't generalize us. Most Turks look Near Eastern like me. A minority of Turks look Southern European and another big group look Middle Eastern.

[Kivan]

turks are mostly west asian. the lebanese are mostly closer to southern euro populations. an average lebanese will look more mediterranean than an average turk.

Turks are a mix of either Balkan, Anatolian and Central Asian, not purely West Asian.
Lebanese are 100% Middle-Eastern Levantines with Arabic admixture, they have nothing to do with Europeans genetically:



# Population Percent
1 East_Med 38.16
2 West_Asian 20.82
3 West_Med 11.12
4 Red_Sea 9.63
5 Atlantic 6.64
6 North_Sea 4.35
7 Northeast_African 2.98
8 Eastern_Euro 2
9 South_Asian 1.42
10 Southeast_Asian 1.35
11 Baltic 0.84
12 Siberian 0.65
13 Sub-Saharan 0.03

Single Population Sharing:



# Population (source) Distance
1 Lebanese_Muslim 3.95
2 Syrian 5.98
3 Cyprian 6.55
4 Samaritan 9.47
5 Tunisian_Jewish 9.63
6 Lebanese_Christian 9.63
7 Jordanian 9.93
8 Kurdish_Jewish 10.61
9 Sephardic_Jewish 10.95
10 Assyrian 10.98
11 Palestinian 10.99
12 Iranian_Jewish 11.15
13 Libyan_Jewish 11.15
14 Lebanese_Druze 11.22
15 Italian_Jewish 12.23
16 Algerian_Jewish 13.01
17 Turkish 13.09
18 Georgian_Jewish 14.02
19 South_Italian 14.53
20 Bedouin 14.77

[72737282]

I don't know how many light people Lebanon got tbh but I can say 3 out of 10 people where I live in Turkey (North East) got blond hair, 4 out of them brown, and the rest dark brown. Especially blue eyes are pretty common. Considering Lebanon is in the very south of Turkey it wouldn't be wrong to say that Turks are indeed lighter. Comparing Turkey and Israel would make more sense.

[Zuh]

I don't know how many light people Lebanon got tbh but I can say 3 out of 10 people where I live in Turkey (North East) got blond hair, 4 out of them brown, and the rest dark brown. Especially blue eyes are pretty common. Considering Lebanon is in the very south of Turkey it wouldn't be wrong to say that Turks are indeed lighter. Comparing Turkey and Israel would make more sense.

While turks might be lighter yes there's something odd on their eyes. While lebanese might be brown skin wogs according to some i find their features closer to Italians Albanians and Greek islanders.

Despite location and genetics the differences are huge.

[فاروق]

turks are mostly west asian. the lebanese are mostly closer to southern euro populations. an average lebanese will look more mediterranean than an average turk.

Of course what you just said is completely backed by scientific data. Turks are closer to Armenians, Iranians and Georgians.

https://i.imgur.com/OnQYZXJ.png

[72737282]

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[72737282]

While turks might be lighter yes there's something odd on their eyes. While lebanese might be brown skin wogs according to some i find their features closer to Italians Albanians and Greek islanders.

Despite location and genetics the differences are huge.

Yeah I can agree with that. The tan Turks look more like Armenians, considering they're Anatolians it makes sense and the lighter ones especially in North Eastern Turkey have that Georgian-Northern Caucasus or Slavic look. There's also a big portion of Turks that can pass as Swedes.

[فاروق]

Lebanese are genetically very close to Cypriots. My results:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 ENF 52.25
2 CHG 32.02
3 WHG 10
4 ASI 2.2
5 Sub-Saharan 1.91
6 Oceanian 1.63

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Lebanese 3.48
2 Cypriot 4.39
3 Palestinian 6.64
4 Assyrian 8.63
5 Jordanian 8.69
6 Syrian 8.97
7 Saudi 9.01
8 Sephardic_Jew 9.42
9 Iraqi_Jew 10.95
10 Armenian 13.82
11 Turkish_Trabzon 14.73
12 Ashkenazi_Jew 15.64
13 Turkish_Kayseri 15.74
14 Sicilian 17.62
15 Egyptian 17.73
16 Kurdish 17.85
17 Turkish_Aydin 19.37
18 Yemeni 20.36
19 Iranian 23.36
20 Greek 24.06

[Kivan]

While turks might be lighter yes there's something odd on their eyes. While lebanese might be brown skin wogs according to some i find their features closer to Italians Albanians and Greek islanders.

Despite location and genetics the differences are huge.

Lmao

Lebanon national volleyball team
https://scontent.fjdo10-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-0/p180x540/39235669_1915921475134955_5024134489526239232_o.jp g?_nc_cat=101&_nc_ohc=dWHHBDwHaysAX-xHv_B&_nc_ht=scontent.fjdo10-1.fna&_nc_tp=6&oh=c4d41237da73f4350a2a834fbe85e9fb&oe=5ECD3ED9


Turkish national volleyball team
https://www.fivb.org/Vis2009/Images/GetImage.asmx?No=201608490&width=1500&height=865&stretch=uniform

[فاروق]

Lmao

Lebanon national volleyball team

Funny thing is Turks are genetically closer to Lebanese and Semites in general than than any European. Time to embrace your Arab heritage, Mehmet.

https://i.imgur.com/UtCzIYV.png

[Kivan]

Funny thing is Turks are genetically closer to Lebanese and Semites in general than than any European. Time to embrace your Arab heritage, Mehmet.

No, we are not. We are closer to other Turkics, such as Azeris and Tatars.
Anatolian Turks are closer to Greeks Islanders than any Semite and Balkan Turks are closer even to Germans than to any West Asian.



Population
CHG 28.76
Amerindian -
W_African -
Papuan 0.57
SW_Asian 12.98
S_Indian 5.52
E_Asian 16.15
WHG 13.44
Anatolian_Farmers 17.08
EHG 5.49

# Population (source) Distance
1 Turkish 13.24
2 Turkmen 15.81
3 Turkmen_Afghan 17.41
4 Uzbek_Afghan 18.55
5 Tajik 18.6
6 Azeri 19.11
7 Kumyk 20.34
8 Tajik_Afghan 20.38
9 Sicilian 21.16
10 Maltese 21.26
11 Greek 22.1
12 Hazara_Afghan 22.36
13 Adygei 22.38
14 Lebanese 22.5
15 Cypriot 22.78
16 Iranian 23.03
17 Albanian 23.18
18 Syrian 23.38
19 Uzbek 23.54
20 Chechen 23.83



http://www.nevgen.org/PCA%20charts/PCA%20Europe%20and%20vicinity%20axis%203-1%20a.png

[72737282]

Funny thing is Turks are genetically closer to Lebanese and Semites in general than than any European. Time to embrace your Arab heritage, Mehmet.

https://i.imgur.com/UtCzIYV.png

Yeah everyone is Arab cuz they're tan. Iran is Arab, India is also Arab, so is Greece and Italy. No need to mention Armenia.

[فاروق]

No, we are not. We are closer to other Turkics, such as Azeris and Tatars.
Anatolian Turks are closer to Greeks Islanders than any Semite and Balkan Turks are closer even to Germans than to any West Asian.

Completely false and disingenuous. Even in the kit you posted it's closer to Lebanese and Syrians than Greek despite it being odd and high distanced. We're talking here about mainland Turks and not Balkan ones.

[فاروق]

https://i.imgur.com/OnQYZXJ.png

[Kivan]

Completely false and disingenuous. Even in the kit you posted it's closer to Lebanese and Syrians than Greek despite it being odd and high distanced

No, only scientific facts.



Population
CHG 28.76
Amerindian -
W_African -
Papuan 0.57
SW_Asian 12.98
S_Indian 5.52
E_Asian 16.15
WHG 13.44
Anatolian_Farmers 17.08
EHG 5.49

# Population (source) Distance
1 Turkish 13.24
2 Turkmen 15.81
3 Turkmen_Afghan 17.41
4 Uzbek_Afghan 18.55
5 Tajik 18.6
6 Azeri 19.11
7 Kumyk 20.34
8 Tajik_Afghan 20.38
9 Sicilian 21.16
10 Maltese 21.26
11 Greek 22.1
12 Hazara_Afghan 22.36
13 Adygei 22.38
14 Lebanese 22.5
15 Cypriot 22.78
16 Iranian 23.03
17 Albanian 23.18
18 Syrian 23.38
19 Uzbek 23.54
20 Chechen 23.83






Kit DA2718541

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 27.75
2 West_Asian 21.88
3 West_Med 13.83
4 North_Atlantic 9.82
5 Baltic 9.07
6 East_Asian 5.45
7 Siberian 5.17
8 Red_Sea 3.72
9 South_Asian 1.8
10 Oceanian 1.45
11 Northeast_African 0.06

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Turkish 10.32
2 Central_Greek 13.35
3 East_Sicilian 14.07
4 South_Italian 14.77
5 Ashkenazi 15
6 Azeri 15.33
7 Italian_Abruzzo 15.6
8 Greek_Thessaly 16.76
9 Cyprian 16.76
10 Lebanese_Muslim 16.78
11 Sephardic_Jewish 17.05
12 West_Sicilian 17.61
13 Syrian 17.86
14 Algerian_Jewish 18.3
15 Italian_Jewish 18.39
16 Assyrian 18.89
17 Turkmen 18.99
18 Tunisian_Jewish 19.03
19 Georgian_Jewish 19.5
20 Libyan_Jewish 19.76

[فاروق]

No, only scientific facts.

Sure, it depends on the location. Can you show me one kit where Turks are closer to Germans than Lebanese?

[72737282]

Completely false and disingenuous. Even in the kit you posted it's closer to Lebanese and Syrians than Greek despite it being odd and high distanced. We're talking here about mainland Turks and not Balkan ones.

What's even your point? Armenians are Semitic now? Why don't Arabs embrace their "Turkish" heritage? :picard1: Turkish people aren't eager to be "European". The thread is about who looked more European between Turks and Lebanese.

[فاروق]

The only Turks who are closer to Greeks than Lebanese are in the western part of Anatolia. I've seen plenty of Turkish kits and people in here definitely know about it so please save your time.

[فاروق]

What's even your point? Armenians are Semitic now? Why don't Arabs embrace their "Turkish" heritage? :picard1: Turkish people aren't eager to be "European". The thread is about who looked more European between Turks and Lebanese.

I don't know man but this guy Kivan is trying hard to be close to European and I've seen his posts hating on his fellow West Asians despite being 90% genetically as such.

[Kivan]

Sure, it depends on the location. Can you show me one kit where Turks are closer to Germans than Lebanese?

Sample of a Thracian Turk.



Eurogenes K13

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 20.88
2 East_Med 19.21
3 North_Atlantic 17.92
4 West_Med 13.87
5 West_Asian 12.63
6 Siberian 5.76
7 East_Asian 4.23
8 Red_Sea 1.85
9 Amerindian 1.84
10 Oceanian 1.43
11 South_Asian 0.37

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Bulgarian 9.03
2 Romanian 9.94
3 Greek_Thessaly 11.89
4 Serbian 12.78
5 Moldavian 16.11
6 Central_Greek 16.65
7 Italian_Abruzzo 16.77
8 East_Sicilian 17.84
9 Tuscan 18.18
10 West_Sicilian 18.46
11 Ashkenazi 18.64
12 Hungarian 19.37
13 Croatian 19.59
14 North_Italian 20.04
15 South_Italian 20.67
16 Tatar 22
17 Austrian 22.61
18 Nogay 24.32
19 East_German 24.36
20 Ukrainian_Lviv 24.84

[فاروق]

Sample of a Thracian Turk.

LOL. These people aren't even Turkish citizens. We're talking about mainland Turks here.

[happycow]

Issa white off!

[Kaspias]

LOL. These people aren't even Turkish citizens. We're talking about mainland Turks here.

What is mainland Turk?

[فاروق]

What is mainland Turk?

Turks in Turkey.

[Kaspias]

Turks in Turkey.

80% of Balkan Turks live in Turkey. So?

[فاروق]

80% of Balkan Turks live in Turkey. So?

Are Balkan Turks representative of the average Turk?

[Kaspias]

Are Balkan Turks representative of the average Turk?

Yes?

[Kivan]

LOL. These people aren't even Turkish citizens. We're talking about mainland Turks here.

Yes, he is a Turk. He is modelled as a mix of Thracian + Central Asian.
There's no such thing of "Mainland Turk", the majority of the Turks from Bulgarian Thrace live in Turkey today.



# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 84.4% Bulgarian + 15.6% Kirgiz @ 3.07
2 83.6% Bulgarian + 16.4% Kazakh @ 3.37
3 87.4% Bulgarian + 12.6% Mongolian @ 3.43
4 79.3% Bulgarian + 20.7% Uzbeki @ 3.47
5 81.9% Bulgarian + 18.1% Hazara @ 3.54
6 78% Bulgarian + 22% Afghan_Turkmen @ 3.57
7 80.9% Bulgarian + 19.1% Uygur @ 3.62
8 86.7% Bulgarian + 13.3% Altaian @ 3.7
9 89% Bulgarian + 11% Buryat @ 3.8
10 80.7% Bulgarian + 19.3% Aghan_Hazara @ 3.9
11 88.5% Bulgarian + 11.5% Tuvinian @ 3.96
12 85.8% Bulgarian + 14.2% Hakas @ 3.98
13 57.2% Central_Greek + 42.8% Tatar @ 4.02
14 85.1% Bulgarian + 14.9% Shors @ 4.18
15 90.7% Bulgarian + 9.3% Oroqen @ 4.22
16 90% Bulgarian + 10% Hezhen @ 4.32
17 51.6% South_Italian + 48.4% Tatar @ 4.39
18 55.5% East_Sicilian + 44.5% Tatar @ 4.41
19 90% Bulgarian + 10% Xibo @ 4.42
20 65.7% Italian_Abruzzo + 34.3% Chuvash @ 4.51

[فاروق]

Yes?

No. They're just genetic outliers. They're as far from Lebanese as they are from Anatolian Turks so please save your time.

[Kaspias]

No. They're just genetic outliers. They're as far from Lebanese as they are from Anatolian Turks so please save your time.

Genetic outlier with 10 million population?

You said Turks are closer to Lebanese. Balkan Turks are Turks? :D

[فاروق]

Yes, he is a Turk. He is modelled as a mix of Thracian + Central Asian.
There's no such thing of "Mainland Turk", the majority of the Turks from Bulgarian Thrace live in Turkey today.

Why don't you post an Anatolian Turk results? Anatolian Turk population: 53,402,000.

[Kivan]

No. They're just genetic outliers. They're as far from Lebanese as they are from Anatolian Turks so please save your time.

No, they are not outliers and they are closer to the Anatolian Turks than any Levantine, by far. Balkan Turks and descendants make a good percentage of the Turkish population today, you like it or not.



Why don't you post an Anatolian Turk results? Anatolian Turk population: 53,402,000.
I did in my previous post but i will post again:


Kit DA2718541

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 27.75
2 West_Asian 21.88
3 West_Med 13.83
4 North_Atlantic 9.82
5 Baltic 9.07
6 East_Asian 5.45
7 Siberian 5.17
8 Red_Sea 3.72
9 South_Asian 1.8
10 Oceanian 1.45
11 Northeast_African 0.06

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Turkish 10.32
2 Central_Greek 13.35
3 East_Sicilian 14.07
4 South_Italian 14.77
5 Ashkenazi 15
6 Azeri 15.33
7 Italian_Abruzzo 15.6
8 Greek_Thessaly 16.76
9 Cyprian 16.76
10 Lebanese_Muslim 16.78
11 Sephardic_Jewish 17.05
12 West_Sicilian 17.61
13 Syrian 17.86
14 Algerian_Jewish 18.3
15 Italian_Jewish 18.39
16 Assyrian 18.89
17 Turkmen 18.99
18 Tunisian_Jewish 19.03
19 Georgian_Jewish 19.5
20 Libyan_Jewish 19.76

[فاروق]

These people are really self-hating. Balkan Turk /=/ Turk. There's incredible variance and posing them as representative is retarded.

https://i.imgur.com/uTy0TNY.png
https://i.imgur.com/D9X0qo7.png

[Kaspias]

Why don't you post an Anatolian Turk results? Anatolian Turk population: 53,402,000.

of course

Distance to: Turkish_Central
0.03047323 Azeri
0.03332685 Azeri_Turkey
0.04218030 Azeri_Dagestan
0.04920756 Kumyk
0.05036943 Talysh_Azerbaijan
0.05064172 Ezid
0.05226977 Kabardin
0.05526804 Kurdish
0.05560387 Iranian_Fars
0.05633316 Karachay
0.05686995 Circassian
0.05759995 Iranian_Lor
0.05803569 Cherkes
0.05860143 Abazin
0.05889721 Iranian_Seyyed
0.06077733 Georgian_Jew
0.06094752 Iranian_Zoroastrian
0.06217476 Balkar
0.06434405 Assyrian
0.06540068 Armenian
0.06569660 Adygei
0.06632833 Ingushian
0.06644973 Syrian
0.06780372 North_Ossetian
0.06864529 Greek_Central_Anatolia
0.06958816 Iranian_Jew
0.07022711 Greek_Trabzon
0.07045730 Ossetian
0.07070788 Lebanese_Muslim
0.07096945 Ashkenazi_Lithuania
0.07166011 Ashkenazi_Russia
0.07276050 Armenian_Hemsheni
0.07298494 Ashkenazi_Belarussia
0.07352624 Chechen
0.07446777 Syrian_Jew
0.07465876 Druze
0.07471037 Lebanese_Druze
0.07524104 Ashkenazi_Ukraine
0.07535053 Ashkenazi_Poland
0.07541396 Greek_Crete
0.07580322 Georgian_Laz
0.07588134 Greek_Kos
0.07697449 Abkhasian
0.07863863 Cypriot
0.07883254 Iranian_Mazandarani
0.08000994 Karaite_Egypt
0.08060390 Ashkenazi_Germany
0.08066313 Sephardic_Jew
0.08120356 Iraqi_Jew
0.08139400 Romaniote_Jew



Distance to: Turkish_Adana
0.02636638 Azeri
0.02863575 Azeri_Turkey
0.03940801 Azeri_Dagestan
0.04124429 Ezid
0.04282927 Talysh_Azerbaijan
0.04553614 Kurdish
0.04845799 Iranian_Lor
0.04849478 Iranian_Fars
0.05157280 Kumyk
0.05221777 Iranian_Seyyed
0.05235064 Iranian_Zoroastrian
0.05249975 Georgian_Jew
0.05578926 Assyrian
0.05659763 Kabardin
0.05814177 Armenian
0.05945714 Syrian
0.06016140 Karachay
0.06029977 Iranian_Jew
0.06071233 Circassian
0.06182297 Cherkes
0.06322805 Greek_Central_Anatolia
0.06370809 Lebanese_Muslim
0.06399251 Abazin
0.06555550 Balkar
0.06572481 Greek_Trabzon
0.06673200 Adygei
0.06739881 Ashkenazi_Lithuania
0.06746595 Ingushian
0.06767574 Lebanese_Druze
0.06770458 Druze
0.06779567 Armenian_Hemsheni
0.06805882 Syrian_Jew
0.06886862 Ashkenazi_Russia
0.06965099 Ashkenazi_Belarussia
0.07019415 North_Ossetian
0.07102452 Greek_Crete
0.07125415 Greek_Kos
0.07183362 Ashkenazi_Poland
0.07201384 Iranian_Mazandarani
0.07205624 Ashkenazi_Ukraine
0.07219133 Georgian_Laz
0.07236772 Ossetian
0.07261616 Cypriot
0.07313221 Iraqi_Jew
0.07399035 Karaite_Egypt
0.07399479 Chechen
0.07600223 Sephardic_Jew
0.07634389 Ashkenazi_Germany
0.07659513 Abkhasian
0.07697784 Romaniote_Jew

Distance to: Turkish_South
0.05361320 Azeri
0.05863082 Kumyk
0.06054236 Kabardin
0.06146777 Abazin
0.06150999 Azeri_Dagestan
0.06186896 Azeri_Turkey
0.06368167 Karachay
0.06559022 Cherkes
0.06584021 Circassian
0.06896773 Balkar
0.07248429 Iranian_Fars
0.07323303 Iranian_Seyyed
0.07482199 Talysh_Azerbaijan
0.07625318 North_Ossetian
0.07779189 Ezid
0.07874554 Tajik
0.07951424 Tajik_Yagnobi
0.07992764 Ingushian
0.08078299 Iranian_Lor
0.08120800 Iranian_Zoroastrian
0.08202474 Kurdish
0.08254064 Adygei
0.08547113 Chechen
0.08615077 Roma_Granada
0.08630814 Ossetian
0.08853654 Roma_Madrid
0.08880849 Roma_Balkans
0.08955669 Roma_Bilbao
0.09017757 Roma_Porto
0.09050444 Parsi_Pakistan
0.09142331 Tabasaran
0.09246630 Parsi_India
0.09428067 Iranian_Mazandarani
0.09461457 Tajik_Rushan
0.09583331 Georgian_Jew
0.09695412 Syrian
0.09701077 Tajik_Shugnan
0.09741676 Lak
0.09774107 Avar
0.09882700 Assyrian
0.09962331 Abkhasian
0.09968219 Ashkenazi_Russia
0.09968365 Ashkenazi_Lithuania
0.10077821 Kaitag
0.10108624 Turkmen
0.10138794 Ashkenazi_Belarussia
0.10219177 Armenian
0.10289459 Iranian_Jew
0.10381408 Ashkenazi_Ukraine
0.10382588 Lebanese_Muslim

Distance to: Turkish_Southwest
0.05385415 Azeri
0.06028046 Kumyk
0.06180373 Azeri_Turkey
0.06188973 Kabardin
0.06249556 Azeri_Dagestan
0.06422972 Abazin
0.06637216 Karachay
0.06744207 Cherkes
0.06785363 Circassian
0.07166413 Balkar
0.07353326 Iranian_Fars
0.07423773 Talysh_Azerbaijan
0.07486019 Iranian_Seyyed
0.07525915 Ezid
0.07903194 Roma_Madrid
0.07936929 Roma_Granada
0.07999175 Kurdish
0.08052441 North_Ossetian
0.08061604 Iranian_Lor
0.08084018 Iranian_Zoroastrian
0.08224721 Roma_Bilbao
0.08229513 Ingushian
0.08251545 Adygei
0.08308022 Roma_Porto
0.08351532 Tajik_Yagnobi
0.08414357 Roma_Balkans
0.08670597 Ashkenazi_Lithuania
0.08692873 Ashkenazi_Russia
0.08721091 Chechen
0.08751007 Tajik
0.08852054 Ashkenazi_Belarussia
0.08877450 Ossetian
0.09046298 Syrian
0.09089497 Georgian_Jew
0.09149890 Ashkenazi_Ukraine
0.09254711 Ashkenazi_Poland
0.09267814 Tabasaran
0.09374726 Parsi_Pakistan
0.09452252 Assyrian
0.09580256 Parsi_India
0.09594745 Lebanese_Muslim
0.09653864 Greek_Central_Anatolia
0.09701773 Iranian_Mazandarani
0.09754601 Armenian
0.09767041 Greek_Crete
0.09800822 Iranian_Jew
0.09811377 Greek_Kos
0.09847397 Ashkenazi_Germany
0.09930963 Tajik_Rushan
0.09967575 Lak

Distance to: Turkish_North
0.05049458 Azeri
0.05386711 Kabardin
0.05460749 Azeri_Turkey
0.05486672 Kumyk
0.05726653 Azeri_Dagestan
0.05743792 Abazin
0.05821688 Karachay
0.05965340 Circassian
0.05979197 Cherkes
0.06423374 Balkar
0.07178028 Iranian_Fars
0.07192854 Talysh_Azerbaijan
0.07202929 North_Ossetian
0.07433364 Iranian_Seyyed
0.07501583 Ingushian
0.07512226 Ezid
0.07624587 Adygei
0.07868024 Iranian_Lor
0.07931145 Kurdish
0.07951540 Ossetian
0.08016303 Iranian_Zoroastrian
0.08173130 Chechen
0.08309342 Tajik_Yagnobi
0.08625533 Roma_Granada
0.08633485 Tajik
0.08770396 Roma_Madrid
0.08821003 Roma_Bilbao
0.08848745 Roma_Porto
0.08872376 Roma_Balkans
0.08969359 Tabasaran
0.09085814 Georgian_Jew
0.09245031 Abkhasian
0.09250833 Iranian_Mazandarani
0.09309578 Parsi_Pakistan
0.09348619 Assyrian
0.09398130 Ashkenazi_Russia
0.09442478 Ashkenazi_Lithuania
0.09471084 Armenian
0.09479121 Syrian
0.09526711 Parsi_India
0.09562210 Avar
0.09581954 Lak
0.09617404 Ashkenazi_Belarussia
0.09733014 Greek_Trabzon
0.09751066 Greek_Central_Anatolia
0.09776838 Kaitag
0.09797620 Ashkenazi_Ukraine
0.09828591 Iranian_Jew
0.09888711 Ashkenazi_Poland
0.09898382 Armenian_Hemsheni

Distance to: Turkish_Northwest
0.05295727 Kabardin
0.05312276 Kumyk
0.05421040 Azeri
0.05744611 Abazin
0.05844781 Azeri_Dagestan
0.05871224 Karachay
0.05928395 Cherkes
0.05933765 Azeri_Turkey
0.05970684 Circassian
0.06407075 Balkar
0.07378559 Talysh_Azerbaijan
0.07407474 North_Ossetian
0.07458294 Adygei
0.07459124 Ingushian
0.07477122 Iranian_Fars
0.07492014 Ezid
0.07664708 Roma_Madrid
0.07711585 Iranian_Seyyed
0.07953206 Roma_Granada
0.08000585 Kurdish
0.08036411 Chechen
0.08104261 Iranian_Zoroastrian
0.08111598 Roma_Bilbao
0.08128136 Ashkenazi_Russia
0.08164774 Iranian_Lor
0.08166396 Ashkenazi_Lithuania
0.08167506 Ossetian
0.08217014 Roma_Porto
0.08229896 Tajik_Yagnobi
0.08309047 Ashkenazi_Belarussia
0.08536437 Roma_Balkans
0.08568803 Ashkenazi_Ukraine
0.08658796 Tabasaran
0.08695940 Ashkenazi_Poland
0.08930269 Georgian_Jew
0.09013331 Tajik
0.09055308 Syrian
0.09186927 Greek_Crete
0.09254941 Greek_Central_Anatolia
0.09314518 Greek_Izmir
0.09336716 Avar
0.09341304 Assyrian
0.09342674 Lak
0.09355913 Greek_Kos
0.09426625 Ashkenazi_Germany
0.09432037 Abkhasian
0.09464277 Armenian
0.09490710 Kaitag
0.09517889 Lebanese_Muslim
0.09609517 Italian_Basilicata

Distance to: Turkish_Balkans
0.03994930 Gagauz
0.04385809 Moldavian
0.04469715 Bulgarian
0.04860728 Romanian
0.05094523 Greek_Central_Macedonia
0.05242938 Macedonian
0.05387713 Albanian
0.05509835 Serbian
0.05608809 Montenegrin
0.05645256 Greek_Thessaly
0.05823493 Greek_Thrace
0.05875410 Swiss_Italian
0.06053332 Ashkenazi_Russia
0.06225893 Greek_Peloponnese
0.06235686 Italian_Northeast
0.06269854 Ashkenazi_Belarussia
0.06301365 Greek_Izmir
0.06312579 Bosnian
0.06318546 Ashkenazi_Lithuania
0.06386963 Ashkenazi_Ukraine
0.06481738 Italian_Piedmont
0.06635786 Italian_Marche
0.06642004 Italian_Tuscany
0.06655712 Italian_Molise
0.06689079 Italian_Liguria
0.06701300 Italian_Umbria
0.06756742 Ashkenazi_Poland
0.06796721 Italian_Veneto
0.06869241 Roma_Madrid
0.06873635 Italian_Aosta_Valley
0.06880912 Italian_Abruzzo
0.06979444 Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige
0.07029277 French_Provence
0.07066877 Croatian
0.07087057 Sicilian_West
0.07113397 Italian_Basilicata
0.07200370 Italian_Apulia
0.07289530 Hungarian
0.07301018 Italian_Lazio
0.07358797 Austrian
0.07363884 Italian_Lombardy
0.07385453 Italian_Bergamo
0.07507554 Slovenian
0.07528457 Sicilian_East
0.07579762 Italian_Campania
0.07593010 French_Alsace
0.07602970 Greek_Crete
0.07705622 Maltese
0.07726503 Italian_Calabria
0.07729247 Swiss_German

[FinalFlash]

These people are really self-hating. Balkan Turk /=/ Turk. There's incredible variance and posing them as representative is retarded.

https://i.imgur.com/uTy0TNY.png
https://i.imgur.com/D9X0qo7.png

Turks from Adana are the closest subgroup of Turks to the Lebanese but as you can see they aren't very close to them.

[فاروق]

Turks from Adana are the closest subgroup of Turks to the Lebanese but as you can see they aren't very close to them.

Kivan was claiming that Turks on average are closer to Germans and Europeans than to any West Asians. I want you to respond to that

[Kivan]

Kivan was claiming that Turks on average are closer to Germans and Europeans than to any West Asians. I want you to respond to that

I said Balkan Turks, not the Anatolian ones. :picard1:

[FinalFlash]

Kivan was claiming that Turks on average are closer to Germans and Europeans than to any West Asians. I want you to respond to that

Balkan Turks are closer to Germans than to most West Asian populations, yes. Even Western Anatolian Turks are actually closer to Greeks and Italians than to most West Asians as well.

[Zuh]

Balkan Turks are closer to Germans than to most West Asian populations, yes. Even Western Anatolian Turks are actually closer to Greeks and Italians than to most West Asians as well.

Really? How is the possible .

[FinalFlash]

Really? How is the possible .

Why wouldn't it be possible? Half of West Asia consists of Arabians and Southern Levantine populations, not to mention that Egypt is sometimes considered a part of West Asia culturally and genetically who are genetically quite distant to Northern West Asians.

[Zuh]

Why wouldn't it be possible? Half of West Asia consists of Arabians and Southern Levantine populations, not to mention that Egypt is sometimes considered a part of West Asia culturally and genetically who are genetically quite distant to Northern West Asians.

I meant balkan turks closer to germans sounds ridiculous to me.

[فاروق]

I still can't see Western ones being closer to Germans.

https://i.imgur.com/Wrb4j8c.png

[FinalFlash]

I meant balkan turks closer to germans sounds ridiculous to me.

They get other Balkan populations as their top matches like Macs, Bulgarians etc. and they are more northern shifted compared to Ashkenazi and Med Jews hence why its not too surprising really. They're still not objectively "close" to Germans though.

[FinalFlash]

I still can't see Western ones being closer to Germans.

https://i.imgur.com/Wrb4j8c.png

Not Western ones, Balkan ones. I said Western ones are closer to Greeks and Italians than to most West Asians which that oracle beautifully demonstrates :)

[فاروق]

How about let's agree on this: Turks on average are Middle Easterners and closer to West Asians than to any European.
https://i.imgur.com/OnQYZXJ.png

[FinalFlash]

How about let's agree on this: Turks on average are Middle Easterners and closer to West Asians than to any European.
https://i.imgur.com/OnQYZXJ.png

They're different to middle easterners and closer to Caucasus populations on average. You can say the same thing for Northern West Asians and Iranians as well.

[فاروق]

They're different to middle easterners and closer to Caucasus populations on average. You can say the same thing for Northern West Asians and Iranians as well.

They clearly plot closer to Lebanese_Druze on average than to Europeans. I've been to Turkey they look like Armenians if you ask me. They're closer to Caucasus people in general yeah.

[FinalFlash]

They clearly plot closer to Lebanese_Druze on average than to Europeans. I've been to Turkey they look like Armenians if you ask me. They're closer to Caucasus people in general yeah.

They are on average yes, but they're not objectively "close" to Druze. They are clearly distant enough to be different. Genetics isn't binary in a sense where if you aren't this then you are that. It doesn't work that way.

[Aileron]

Again more Bullshit threads...

[Kivan]

They clearly plot closer to Lebanese_Druze on average than to Europeans.
This map you posted is an average of all regions. If you exclude Eastern/Southeastern Turkey samples, it would be more closer to Europe. And no, Druze cluster close to other Levantines, far away from Turks.
http://www.nevgen.org/PCA%20charts/PCA%20Europe%20and%20vicinity%20axis%203-1%20a.png



I've been to Turkey they look like Armenians if you ask me. They're closer to Caucasus people in general yeah.
No, we don't. We have our own look/diversity and they have theirs.

[Aileron]

But some parts of southeast Turkey would have similar cuisine etc... with Levant

[Kyp]

Balkan Turks are closer to Germans than to most West Asian populations, yes. Even Western Anatolian Turks are actually closer to Greeks and Italians than to most West Asians as well.

no only Northwest is somewhat close

[Aileron]

no

As a Yörük i am wondering my results my friend:)

[Kyp]

As a Yörük i am wondering my results my friend:)

Distance to: Yoruk
5.34286440 Turk_Southwest
6.40164041 Turk_Northwest
7.00106420 Turk_South
7.32684107 Turk_Anatolia
8.11559610 Turk_Central_West
8.12193327 Turk_West_BlackSea
8.17934594 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
10.17355395 Turk_Central_East
10.97013674 Turk_Southeast
11.89968907 Azerbaijani
12.30317032 Azerbaijani_Turkey
13.36426204 Azerbaijani_Iran
13.57236899 Turkmen_Iran
13.68058844 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain
16.26494082 Turkmens
16.51225908 Nogais
16.87101953 Turk_East
16.92049349 Turkmen_Iraq
17.00806573 Kurd_Kurmanji
17.22603263 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
17.57841859 Crimean_Tatar_Coast
17.65871456 Turkmen_Uzbekistan
17.86289730 Zaza
18.41464634 Kurd_Sorani
18.54498315 Talysh_Azerbaija

[Aileron]

Distance to: Yoruk
5.34286440 Turk_Southwest
6.40164041 Turk_Northwest
7.00106420 Turk_South
7.32684107 Turk_Anatolia
8.11559610 Turk_Central_West
8.12193327 Turk_West_BlackSea
8.17934594 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
10.17355395 Turk_Central_East
10.97013674 Turk_Southeast
11.89968907 Azerbaijani
12.30317032 Azerbaijani_Turkey
13.36426204 Azerbaijani_Iran
13.57236899 Turkmen_Iran
13.68058844 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain
16.26494082 Turkmens
16.51225908 Nogais
16.87101953 Turk_East
16.92049349 Turkmen_Iraq
17.00806573 Kurd_Kurmanji
17.22603263 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
17.57841859 Crimean_Tatar_Coast
17.65871456 Turkmen_Uzbekistan
17.86289730 Zaza
18.41464634 Kurd_Sorani
18.54498315 Talysh_Azerbaija

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[Thracian]

I meant balkan turks closer to germans sounds ridiculous to me.

We are not closer to Germans, we are relatively closer to Germans/Western Europeans than Middle Eastern and Caucasus people. However, the distances are quite big. Here is my closest TOP 100 populations on G25.


0.02735852 Turkish_Balkans
0.03922165 Gagauz
0.04231908 Moldavian
0.04243246 Greek_Central_Macedonia
0.04508945 Bulgarian
0.04661914 Turkish_Istanbul
0.04681872 Albanian
0.04782238 Greek_Thessaly
0.04797165 Greek_Peloponnese
0.04842110 Greek_Izmir
0.04999933 Ashkenazi_Belarussia
0.05033814 Ashkenazi_Russia
0.05099299 Swiss_Italian
0.05111232 Ashkenazi_Lithuania
0.05199437 Romanian
0.05274515 Macedonian
0.05338432 Italian_Molise
0.05381674 Italian_Umbria
0.05419982 Ashkenazi_Ukraine
0.05473921 Italian_Marche
0.05491908 Italian_Tuscany
0.05521854 Italian_Abruzzo
0.05693046 Italian_Piedmont
0.05713448 Italian_Basilicata
0.05717629 Ashkenazi_Poland
0.05874338 Montenegrin
0.05928811 Italian_Apulia
0.05957014 Serbian
0.05978522 Sicilian_West
0.06001301 Italian_Northeast
0.06033954 Italian_Lazio
0.06163109 Italian_Campania
0.06187360 Greek_Thrace
0.06206751 Italian_Veneto
0.06256113 Greek_Crete
0.06305183 Sicilian_East
0.06326436 Italian_Calabria
0.06345557 Italian_Liguria
0.06564538 Maltese
0.06602349 Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige
0.06639772 Ashkenazi_Germany
0.06665273 Italian_Aosta_Valley
0.06686212 French_Provence
0.06866868 Greek_Kos
0.06866921 Bosnian
0.06875914 Italian_Bergamo
0.06935487 Italian_Lombardy
0.06944029 Turkish_Northwest
0.06959904 French_Corsica
0.07228758 Turkish_Adana
0.07296139 Turkish_Central
0.07304004 Turkish_Balikesir
0.07336916 Turkish_Kayseri
0.07398414 Spanish_Mallorca
0.07462178 Swiss_French
0.07619855 Spanish_Eivissa
0.07631362 Spanish_Baleares
0.07634236 Turkish_Aydin
0.07636666 Turkish_Southwest
0.07727047 Spanish_Menorca
0.07764298 Italian_Jew
0.07797153 Swiss_German
0.07805819 French_Alsace
0.07833188 Croatian
0.07835209 Spanish_Penedes
0.07860995 Spanish_Camp_de_Tarragona
0.07880231 Portuguese
0.07882398 Spanish_Extremadura
0.07885471 Spanish_Murcia
0.07890320 Spanish_Girona
0.07918132 Austrian
0.07993091 Kumyk
0.08004145 Sephardic_Jew
0.08024645 French_Auvergne
0.08032539 Spanish_Alacant
0.08130207 French_Nord
0.08146518 Hungarian
0.08147552 Spanish_Peri-Barcelona
0.08155689 Spanish_Galicia
0.08193671 Spanish_Andalucia
0.08249382 Spanish_Terres_de_l'Ebre
0.08250413 Greek_Central_Anatolia
0.08289467 Belgian
0.08292533 Slovenian
0.08308845 Spanish_Lleida
0.08344835 Kabardin
0.08357812 Spanish_Catalunya_Central
0.08370295 Romaniote_Jew
0.08383036 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha
0.08388790 Spanish_Valencia
0.08398616 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon
0.08414200 French_Occitanie
0.08418606 French_Paris
0.08490322 Spanish_Castello
0.08509961 Azeri_Dagestan
0.08516274 Spanish_Canarias
0.08538685 Spanish_Barcelones
0.08550452 Spanish_Cataluna
0.08552109 Turkish_North
0.08586817 Spanish_Pirineu

[Aileron]

We are not closer to Germans, we are relatively closer to Germans/Western Europeans than Middle Eastern and Caucasus people. However, the distances are quite big. Here is my closest TOP 100 populations on G25.


0.02735852 Turkish_Balkans
0.03922165 Gagauz
0.04231908 Moldavian
0.04243246 Greek_Central_Macedonia
0.04508945 Bulgarian
0.04661914 Turkish_Istanbul
0.04681872 Albanian
0.04782238 Greek_Thessaly
0.04797165 Greek_Peloponnese
0.04842110 Greek_Izmir
0.04999933 Ashkenazi_Belarussia
0.05033814 Ashkenazi_Russia
0.05099299 Swiss_Italian
0.05111232 Ashkenazi_Lithuania
0.05199437 Romanian
0.05274515 Macedonian
0.05338432 Italian_Molise
0.05381674 Italian_Umbria
0.05419982 Ashkenazi_Ukraine
0.05473921 Italian_Marche
0.05491908 Italian_Tuscany
0.05521854 Italian_Abruzzo
0.05693046 Italian_Piedmont
0.05713448 Italian_Basilicata
0.05717629 Ashkenazi_Poland
0.05874338 Montenegrin
0.05928811 Italian_Apulia
0.05957014 Serbian
0.05978522 Sicilian_West
0.06001301 Italian_Northeast
0.06033954 Italian_Lazio
0.06163109 Italian_Campania
0.06187360 Greek_Thrace
0.06206751 Italian_Veneto
0.06256113 Greek_Crete
0.06305183 Sicilian_East
0.06326436 Italian_Calabria
0.06345557 Italian_Liguria
0.06564538 Maltese
0.06602349 Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige
0.06639772 Ashkenazi_Germany
0.06665273 Italian_Aosta_Valley
0.06686212 French_Provence
0.06866868 Greek_Kos
0.06866921 Bosnian
0.06875914 Italian_Bergamo
0.06935487 Italian_Lombardy
0.06944029 Turkish_Northwest
0.06959904 French_Corsica
0.07228758 Turkish_Adana
0.07296139 Turkish_Central
0.07304004 Turkish_Balikesir
0.07336916 Turkish_Kayseri
0.07398414 Spanish_Mallorca
0.07462178 Swiss_French
0.07619855 Spanish_Eivissa
0.07631362 Spanish_Baleares
0.07634236 Turkish_Aydin
0.07636666 Turkish_Southwest
0.07727047 Spanish_Menorca
0.07764298 Italian_Jew
0.07797153 Swiss_German
0.07805819 French_Alsace
0.07833188 Croatian
0.07835209 Spanish_Penedes
0.07860995 Spanish_Camp_de_Tarragona
0.07880231 Portuguese
0.07882398 Spanish_Extremadura
0.07885471 Spanish_Murcia
0.07890320 Spanish_Girona
0.07918132 Austrian
0.07993091 Kumyk
0.08004145 Sephardic_Jew
0.08024645 French_Auvergne
0.08032539 Spanish_Alacant
0.08130207 French_Nord
0.08146518 Hungarian
0.08147552 Spanish_Peri-Barcelona
0.08155689 Spanish_Galicia
0.08193671 Spanish_Andalucia
0.08249382 Spanish_Terres_de_l'Ebre
0.08250413 Greek_Central_Anatolia
0.08289467 Belgian
0.08292533 Slovenian
0.08308845 Spanish_Lleida
0.08344835 Kabardin
0.08357812 Spanish_Catalunya_Central
0.08370295 Romaniote_Jew
0.08383036 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha
0.08388790 Spanish_Valencia
0.08398616 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon
0.08414200 French_Occitanie
0.08418606 French_Paris
0.08490322 Spanish_Castello
0.08509961 Azeri_Dagestan
0.08516274 Spanish_Canarias
0.08538685 Spanish_Barcelones
0.08550452 Spanish_Cataluna
0.08552109 Turkish_North
0.08586817 Spanish_Pirineu
Abi selam bu genetik testi Türkiye'den nasıl sipariş verebiliriz ?

[Thracian]

Abi selam bu genetik testi Türkiye'den nasıl sipariş verebiliriz ?

Selam,

Ben yurt dışındayken almıştım ama şimdi çok zorlaşmış Türkiye'den sipariş vermek. Gümrükten geçirmek zorlaşmış.Türkiye'ye Family Tree DNA getiriyor sanıyorum sadece, geri gönderirken de gümrük vergisini ödemek gerekiyor.

https://www.familytreedna.com/?cjevent=2d291c7940df11ea82f602cf0a180511&cm_mmc=CJ-_-8310695-_-4907826-_-12%2F4-1%2F3%3A+Save+%2420+to+%24250+at+FamilyTreeDNA+and +discover+more+about+your+ancestry+during+the+Holi day+Sale+%40+FamilyTreeDNA%21&utm_source=cj&utm_content=8310695&utm_term=13906059

Bu linkten ortadaki ''family acnestry'' olan otozomal test için. Şuan 79 dolar ama zamanla uygun fiyatlara inebiliyor, özellikle black friday zamanlarında.

[Aileron]

Selam,

Ben yurt dışındayken almıştım ama şimdi çok zorlaşmış Türkiye'den sipariş vermek. Gümrükten geçirmek zorlaşmış.Türkiye'ye Family Tree DNA getiriyor sanıyorum sadece, geri gönderirken de gümrük vergisini ödemek gerekiyor.

https://www.familytreedna.com/?cjevent=2d291c7940df11ea82f602cf0a180511&cm_mmc=CJ-_-8310695-_-4907826-_-12%2F4-1%2F3%3A+Save+%2420+to+%24250+at+FamilyTreeDNA+and +discover+more+about+your+ancestry+during+the+Holi day+Sale+%40+FamilyTreeDNA%21&utm_source=cj&utm_content=8310695&utm_term=13906059

Bu linkten ortadaki ''family acnestry'' olan otozomal test için. Şuan 79 dolar ama zamanla uygun fiyatlara inebiliyor, özellikle black friday zamanlarında.
Teşekkürler��

[Kyp]

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Those are the average population distances to the average Yörük.
Turkey (Especially Southwest) is closest followed by Azeris and Tatars

[Aileron]

Those are the average population distances to the average Yörük.
Turkey (Especially Southwest) is closest followed by Azeris and Tatars

it makes sense, steppe stronkk :D

[Kutlu]

whats with all threads like this?

[Kaspias]

As a Yörük i am wondering my results my friend:)

Do you have a known Yörük tribe? Sarıkeçili, Karakeçili etc.

[Aileron]

Do you have a known Yörük tribe? Sarıkeçili, Karakeçili etc.

I dont know the exact tribe though our villages name was Bayat

[Kyp]

I dont know the exact tribe though our villages name was Bayat

Hey, I'm Bayat too brother
My tribe is said to arrived with the Bayat tribes in Azerbaijan/NW Iran

[Aileron]

Hey, I'm Bayat too brother
My tribe is said to arrived with the Bayat tribes in Azerbaijan/NW Iran

So we are relatives:D

[Kyp]

So we are relatives:D

Probably distantly!

[Kaspias]

I dont know the exact tribe though our villages name was Bayat

Denizli, right? Cool. Wonder your y-dna more than your autosomal

[Nomansman]

I havent read all the posts and just the part about wether lebos or turks are closest to euros. Here are some g25 nmonte results:





Distance to: Lebanese_Christian
0.06639777 Italian_Calabria
0.06929048 Italian_Campania
0.07407813 Italian_Basilicata
0.07667120 Italian_Apulia
0.08198618 Italian_Abruzzo
0.08441969 Italian_Molise
0.08977650 Italian_Lazio
0.09520684 Italian_Marche
0.09628779 Italian_Umbria
0.10630710 Italian_Tuscany
0.10962697 Albanian
0.11646411 Italian_Piedmont
0.12348708 Italian_Liguria
0.12586727 Italian_Lombardy
0.12936662 Italian_Bergamo
0.13077881 Bulgarian
0.13095723 Italian_Veneto
0.13626734 Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige
0.13722160 Spanish_Extremadura
0.13866107 Italian_Northeast
0.13922337 Spanish_Eivissa
0.13927676 Spanish_Menorca
0.14019951 Spanish_Murcia
0.14037502 Spanish_Andalucia
0.14229428 Spanish_Baleares
0.14277634 Spanish_Mallorca
0.14343364 Spanish_Alacant
0.14384022 Spanish_Galicia
0.14413432 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha
0.14577993 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon
0.14681319 Spanish_Terres_de_l'Ebre
0.14705110 Italian_Aosta_Valley
0.14775134 Spanish_Camp_de_Tarragona
0.14782490 Spanish_Valencia
0.14833643 Spanish_Peri-Barcelona
0.14885359 Spanish_Girona
0.14948257 Spanish_Penedes
0.15035196 Spanish_Lleida
0.15115084 Spanish_Castello
0.15139115 Spanish_Aragon
0.15181881 Spanish_Pirineu
0.15213241 Spanish_Catalunya_Central
0.15220113 Spanish_Cataluna
0.15338632 Spanish_La_Rioja
0.15380756 Spanish_Barcelones
0.15444582 Spanish_Navarra
0.15500807 Spanish_Cantabria
0.15555766 Spanish_Asturias
0.16368467 Spanish_Soria
0.17243358 Austrian
0.17258893 Spanish_Pais_Vasco
0.17598677 Hungarian
0.20267707 Norwegian
0.20598380 Polish






Distance to: Lebanese_Druze
0.06408705 Italian_Calabria
0.06745029 Italian_Campania
0.07189083 Italian_Basilicata
0.07445218 Italian_Apulia
0.07964934 Italian_Abruzzo
0.08177723 Italian_Molise
0.08879423 Italian_Lazio
0.09295217 Italian_Marche
0.09388645 Italian_Umbria
0.10393561 Italian_Tuscany
0.10619152 Albanian
0.11386398 Italian_Piedmont
0.12015730 Italian_Liguria
0.12377513 Italian_Lombardy
0.12589112 Bulgarian
0.12744342 Italian_Bergamo
0.12836623 Italian_Veneto
0.13368040 Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige
0.13506686 Spanish_Extremadura
0.13520203 Italian_Northeast
0.13708958 Spanish_Eivissa
0.13737121 Spanish_Menorca
0.13834268 Spanish_Murcia
0.13837603 Spanish_Andalucia
0.14014855 Spanish_Baleares
0.14025625 Spanish_Mallorca
0.14115382 Spanish_Alacant
0.14150865 Spanish_Galicia
0.14243811 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha
0.14299789 Italian_Aosta_Valley
0.14338796 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon
0.14487435 Spanish_Terres_de_l'Ebre
0.14545028 Spanish_Camp_de_Tarragona
0.14590818 Spanish_Valencia
0.14637034 Spanish_Peri-Barcelona
0.14652558 Spanish_Girona
0.14688387 Spanish_Penedes
0.14847209 Spanish_Lleida
0.14952656 Spanish_Castello
0.14954598 Spanish_Aragon
0.15009034 Spanish_Pirineu
0.15012719 Spanish_Cataluna
0.15024649 Spanish_Catalunya_Central
0.15155027 Spanish_Barcelones
0.15278138 Spanish_Navarra
0.15319221 Spanish_Cantabria
0.15350729 Spanish_La_Rioja
0.15352347 Spanish_Asturias
0.16153162 Spanish_Soria
0.16732573 Austrian
0.17041338 Hungarian
0.17110725 Spanish_Pais_Vasco
0.19699760 Norwegian
0.20006503 Polish





Distance to: Lebanese_Muslim
0.06539741 Italian_Calabria
0.06973159 Italian_Campania
0.07363081 Italian_Basilicata
0.07635878 Italian_Apulia
0.08120899 Italian_Abruzzo
0.08312876 Italian_Molise
0.09049733 Italian_Lazio
0.09414381 Italian_Marche
0.09526339 Italian_Umbria
0.10487814 Italian_Tuscany
0.10583494 Albanian
0.11418806 Italian_Piedmont
0.11935948 Italian_Liguria
0.12416399 Bulgarian
0.12429066 Italian_Lombardy
0.12763872 Italian_Bergamo
0.12842290 Italian_Veneto
0.13346282 Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige
0.13364589 Spanish_Extremadura
0.13430423 Italian_Northeast
0.13640152 Spanish_Eivissa
0.13662704 Spanish_Menorca
0.13691135 Spanish_Murcia
0.13715296 Spanish_Andalucia
0.13947944 Spanish_Baleares
0.13957033 Spanish_Mallorca
0.14004404 Spanish_Galicia
0.14033306 Spanish_Alacant
0.14165722 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon
0.14183025 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha
0.14237078 Italian_Aosta_Valley
0.14449115 Spanish_Terres_de_l'Ebre
0.14460446 Spanish_Camp_de_Tarragona
0.14508218 Spanish_Valencia
0.14585885 Spanish_Peri-Barcelona
0.14590739 Spanish_Girona
0.14623473 Spanish_Penedes
0.14792386 Spanish_Lleida
0.14887908 Spanish_Cataluna
0.14889786 Spanish_Castello
0.14905571 Spanish_Aragon
0.14944884 Spanish_Pirineu
0.14988343 Spanish_Catalunya_Central
0.15056868 Spanish_Barcelones
0.15212370 Spanish_Asturias
0.15236372 Spanish_Navarra
0.15262134 Spanish_Cantabria
0.15377809 Spanish_La_Rioja
0.16091022 Spanish_Soria
0.16487831 Austrian
0.16743950 Hungarian
0.17075875 Spanish_Pais_Vasco
0.19477771 Norwegian
0.19637392 Polish





Distance to: Turkish_Adana
0.07972728 Italian_Calabria
0.08184276 Italian_Basilicata
0.08203226 Italian_Campania
0.08477652 Italian_Apulia
0.08587805 Italian_Molise
0.08679338 Italian_Abruzzo
0.09551302 Italian_Umbria
0.09555007 Italian_Marche
0.09701762 Italian_Lazio
0.09933830 Albanian
0.10349484 Italian_Tuscany
0.10773375 Bulgarian
0.10962021 Italian_Piedmont
0.11438849 Italian_Liguria
0.11963137 Italian_Lombardy
0.12136574 Italian_Veneto
0.12334835 Italian_Northeast
0.12347878 Italian_Bergamo
0.12534406 Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige
0.12930062 Italian_Aosta_Valley
0.13162392 Spanish_Eivissa
0.13264448 Spanish_Extremadura
0.13273351 Spanish_Menorca
0.13296282 Spanish_Mallorca
0.13377794 Spanish_Baleares
0.13401701 Spanish_Murcia
0.13451254 Spanish_Andalucia
0.13527845 Spanish_Alacant
0.13625741 Spanish_Galicia
0.13761184 Spanish_Camp_de_Tarragona
0.13761717 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon
0.13780969 Spanish_Penedes
0.13800077 Spanish_Terres_de_l'Ebre
0.13802422 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha
0.13808210 Spanish_Girona
0.13953296 Spanish_Valencia
0.14025778 Spanish_Peri-Barcelona
0.14109457 Spanish_Lleida
0.14284798 Spanish_Castello
0.14303042 Spanish_Cataluna
0.14306739 Spanish_Pirineu
0.14346029 Spanish_Catalunya_Central
0.14370867 Spanish_Aragon
0.14386946 Spanish_Barcelones
0.14475019 Austrian
0.14609877 Hungarian
0.14610063 Spanish_Cantabria
0.14742364 Spanish_Navarra
0.14791868 Spanish_Asturias
0.15116191 Spanish_Soria
0.15246674 Spanish_La_Rioja
0.16373127 Spanish_Pais_Vasco
0.17099631 Norwegian
0.17306876 Polish





Distance to: Turkish_Aydin
0.09849263 Italian_Calabria
0.09894210 Italian_Basilicata
0.10045890 Italian_Campania
0.10100470 Italian_Molise
0.10138686 Italian_Apulia
0.10277394 Italian_Abruzzo
0.10652146 Albanian
0.10758598 Italian_Umbria
0.10765988 Italian_Marche
0.11074631 Bulgarian
0.11088646 Italian_Lazio
0.11336206 Italian_Tuscany
0.11714634 Italian_Piedmont
0.11973315 Italian_Liguria
0.12525131 Italian_Lombardy
0.12580974 Italian_Northeast
0.12638145 Italian_Veneto
0.12853031 Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige
0.12889140 Italian_Bergamo
0.13181309 Italian_Aosta_Valley
0.13452654 Spanish_Eivissa
0.13543192 Spanish_Murcia
0.13560543 Spanish_Mallorca
0.13570391 Spanish_Menorca
0.13606894 Spanish_Baleares
0.13672349 Spanish_Extremadura
0.13720060 Spanish_Andalucia
0.13797593 Spanish_Alacant
0.13828593 Spanish_Galicia
0.13896858 Spanish_Camp_de_Tarragona
0.13908590 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon
0.13970624 Spanish_Penedes
0.13996471 Spanish_Girona
0.14001851 Spanish_Terres_de_l'Ebre
0.14062380 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha
0.14108365 Spanish_Valencia
0.14183903 Hungarian
0.14197406 Austrian
0.14281956 Spanish_Lleida
0.14286380 Spanish_Peri-Barcelona
0.14369175 Spanish_Cataluna
0.14413835 Spanish_Castello
0.14466449 Spanish_Pirineu
0.14530764 Spanish_Aragon
0.14536528 Spanish_Catalunya_Central
0.14546696 Spanish_Barcelones
0.14747066 Spanish_Cantabria
0.14784545 Spanish_Asturias
0.14879997 Spanish_Navarra
0.15063881 Spanish_Soria
0.15423920 Spanish_La_Rioja
0.16415735 Spanish_Pais_Vasco
0.16569424 Norwegian
0.16707830 Polish





Distance to: Turkish_Balikesir
0.09907694 Italian_Basilicata
0.09979062 Italian_Calabria
0.09979698 Italian_Molise
0.10069603 Italian_Campania
0.10112020 Italian_Apulia
0.10163462 Italian_Abruzzo
0.10419892 Albanian
0.10526604 Italian_Umbria
0.10534306 Italian_Marche
0.10635658 Bulgarian
0.10934169 Italian_Lazio
0.11012455 Italian_Tuscany
0.11280218 Italian_Piedmont
0.11501724 Italian_Liguria
0.12004426 Italian_Lombardy
0.12066451 Italian_Northeast
0.12153946 Italian_Veneto
0.12311938 Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige
0.12422801 Italian_Bergamo
0.12548301 Italian_Aosta_Valley
0.12874842 Spanish_Eivissa
0.12989521 Spanish_Mallorca
0.13049535 Spanish_Menorca
0.13056092 Spanish_Baleares
0.13066608 Spanish_Murcia
0.13154453 Spanish_Andalucia
0.13181473 Spanish_Extremadura
0.13227728 Spanish_Alacant
0.13270474 Spanish_Galicia
0.13289951 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon
0.13293484 Spanish_Camp_de_Tarragona
0.13359012 Spanish_Penedes
0.13370984 Spanish_Girona
0.13376636 Spanish_Terres_de_l'Ebre
0.13464595 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha
0.13494155 Hungarian
0.13497673 Austrian
0.13503023 Spanish_Valencia
0.13663217 Spanish_Lleida
0.13693545 Spanish_Peri-Barcelona
0.13801690 Spanish_Cataluna
0.13838119 Spanish_Castello
0.13848030 Spanish_Pirineu
0.13877215 Spanish_Aragon
0.13916759 Spanish_Barcelones
0.13953240 Spanish_Catalunya_Central
0.14113240 Spanish_Cantabria
0.14137093 Spanish_Asturias
0.14225471 Spanish_Navarra
0.14472864 Spanish_Soria
0.14976230 Spanish_La_Rioja
0.15655893 Norwegian
0.15705682 Spanish_Pais_Vasco
0.16050649 Polish

[Tauromachos]

If you go for Balkans,more Turks can pass

If you go for all of Europe maybe its a draw

[Nomansman]

More turks:





Distance to: Turkish_Central
0.08312619 Italian_Calabria
0.08502647 Italian_Basilicata
0.08551352 Italian_Campania
0.08765578 Italian_Apulia
0.08859303 Italian_Molise
0.08988647 Italian_Abruzzo
0.09760356 Italian_Marche
0.09777071 Italian_Umbria
0.09971286 Italian_Lazio
0.10035879 Albanian
0.10523522 Italian_Tuscany
0.10873812 Bulgarian
0.11093968 Italian_Piedmont
0.11509989 Italian_Liguria
0.12025530 Italian_Lombardy
0.12240465 Italian_Veneto
0.12388349 Italian_Northeast
0.12436111 Italian_Bergamo
0.12592405 Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige
0.12990019 Italian_Aosta_Valley
0.13252623 Spanish_Eivissa
0.13343502 Spanish_Menorca
0.13382001 Spanish_Mallorca
0.13419055 Spanish_Extremadura
0.13455928 Spanish_Murcia
0.13456120 Spanish_Baleares
0.13539119 Spanish_Andalucia
0.13631177 Spanish_Alacant
0.13723510 Spanish_Galicia
0.13811903 Spanish_Camp_de_Tarragona
0.13828186 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon
0.13848863 Spanish_Terres_de_l'Ebre
0.13853808 Spanish_Penedes
0.13882971 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha
0.13890468 Spanish_Girona
0.14007651 Spanish_Valencia
0.14109588 Spanish_Peri-Barcelona
0.14165234 Spanish_Lleida
0.14348148 Spanish_Castello
0.14355309 Spanish_Cataluna
0.14375358 Spanish_Pirineu
0.14406867 Spanish_Aragon
0.14413907 Spanish_Catalunya_Central
0.14455813 Spanish_Barcelones
0.14492988 Austrian
0.14587118 Hungarian
0.14671177 Spanish_Cantabria
0.14768843 Spanish_Asturias
0.14780346 Spanish_Navarra
0.15177882 Spanish_Soria
0.15329606 Spanish_La_Rioja
0.16424249 Spanish_Pais_Vasco
0.17042069 Norwegian
0.17294143 Polish






Distance to: Turkish_Kayseri
0.07561929 Italian_Calabria
0.07800838 Italian_Campania
0.07825728 Italian_Basilicata
0.08075039 Italian_Apulia
0.08277973 Italian_Molise
0.08352641 Italian_Abruzzo
0.09260392 Italian_Marche
0.09283668 Italian_Umbria
0.09373895 Italian_Lazio
0.09725727 Albanian
0.10126814 Italian_Tuscany
0.10764090 Bulgarian
0.10779629 Italian_Piedmont
0.11269732 Italian_Liguria
0.11770672 Italian_Lombardy
0.11999417 Italian_Veneto
0.12169255 Italian_Bergamo
0.12255380 Italian_Northeast
0.12415327 Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige
0.12877589 Italian_Aosta_Valley
0.13104803 Spanish_Eivissa
0.13192521 Spanish_Menorca
0.13248464 Spanish_Mallorca
0.13267735 Spanish_Extremadura
0.13334751 Spanish_Baleares
0.13373092 Spanish_Murcia
0.13427960 Spanish_Andalucia
0.13517727 Spanish_Alacant
0.13617562 Spanish_Galicia
0.13718382 Spanish_Terres_de_l'Ebre
0.13732173 Spanish_Camp_de_Tarragona
0.13756456 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha
0.13758375 Spanish_Penedes
0.13762366 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon
0.13792126 Spanish_Girona
0.13914803 Spanish_Valencia
0.13981694 Spanish_Peri-Barcelona
0.14080283 Spanish_Lleida
0.14257389 Spanish_Castello
0.14282657 Spanish_Pirineu
0.14285028 Spanish_Cataluna
0.14290308 Spanish_Catalunya_Central
0.14315425 Spanish_Aragon
0.14345376 Spanish_Barcelones
0.14581650 Austrian
0.14604601 Spanish_Cantabria
0.14695250 Spanish_Navarra
0.14743139 Hungarian
0.14752484 Spanish_Asturias
0.15152011 Spanish_Soria
0.15162495 Spanish_La_Rioja
0.16327989 Spanish_Pais_Vasco
0.17292228 Norwegian
0.17488758 Polish





Distance to: Turkish_North
0.10752874 Italian_Calabria
0.10797487 Italian_Basilicata
0.10941605 Italian_Campania
0.10975207 Italian_Molise
0.11022780 Italian_Apulia
0.11179545 Italian_Abruzzo
0.11570310 Albanian
0.11697766 Italian_Marche
0.11705869 Italian_Umbria
0.11961680 Bulgarian
0.12051151 Italian_Lazio
0.12299407 Italian_Tuscany
0.12659857 Italian_Piedmont
0.12931806 Italian_Liguria
0.13440204 Italian_Lombardy
0.13555478 Italian_Northeast
0.13606534 Italian_Veneto
0.13832945 Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige
0.13862708 Italian_Bergamo
0.14089742 Italian_Aosta_Valley
0.14540477 Spanish_Eivissa
0.14634028 Spanish_Mallorca
0.14640268 Spanish_Menorca
0.14694459 Spanish_Baleares
0.14741242 Spanish_Murcia
0.14852323 Spanish_Extremadura
0.14861068 Spanish_Andalucia
0.14911643 Spanish_Alacant
0.14992972 Spanish_Camp_de_Tarragona
0.14996028 Spanish_Galicia
0.15020501 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon
0.15030040 Spanish_Penedes
0.15047016 Spanish_Terres_de_l'Ebre
0.15057890 Spanish_Girona
0.15066477 Hungarian
0.15108880 Austrian
0.15159622 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha
0.15213376 Spanish_Valencia
0.15347382 Spanish_Lleida
0.15353271 Spanish_Peri-Barcelona
0.15524809 Spanish_Castello
0.15527208 Spanish_Cataluna
0.15536477 Spanish_Pirineu
0.15584376 Spanish_Aragon
0.15603351 Spanish_Barcelones
0.15608558 Spanish_Catalunya_Central
0.15807443 Spanish_Cantabria
0.15897291 Spanish_Asturias
0.15953288 Spanish_Navarra
0.16180353 Spanish_Soria
0.16638365 Spanish_La_Rioja
0.17375003 Norwegian
0.17445338 Spanish_Pais_Vasco
0.17529824 Polish





Distance to: Turkish_Northwest
0.09609517 Italian_Basilicata
0.09644936 Italian_Calabria
0.09749512 Italian_Molise
0.09795247 Italian_Campania
0.09871107 Italian_Apulia
0.09942060 Italian_Abruzzo
0.10238526 Albanian
0.10332801 Italian_Umbria
0.10394611 Italian_Marche
0.10503360 Bulgarian
0.10771659 Italian_Lazio
0.10893717 Italian_Tuscany
0.11245761 Italian_Piedmont
0.11555546 Italian_Liguria
0.12044159 Italian_Northeast
0.12106443 Italian_Lombardy
0.12133177 Italian_Veneto
0.12365468 Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige
0.12450149 Italian_Bergamo
0.12587295 Italian_Aosta_Valley
0.13002486 Spanish_Eivissa
0.13065452 Spanish_Mallorca
0.13134616 Spanish_Murcia
0.13145318 Spanish_Baleares
0.13146041 Spanish_Menorca
0.13237897 Spanish_Extremadura
0.13306783 Spanish_Andalucia
0.13339330 Spanish_Alacant
0.13401211 Spanish_Galicia
0.13410080 Spanish_Camp_de_Tarragona
0.13447446 Spanish_Penedes
0.13484305 Spanish_Girona
0.13484716 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon
0.13542420 Spanish_Terres_de_l'Ebre
0.13573322 Hungarian
0.13579890 Austrian
0.13631502 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha
0.13654776 Spanish_Valencia
0.13782137 Spanish_Peri-Barcelona
0.13794722 Spanish_Lleida
0.13926901 Spanish_Cataluna
0.13932133 Spanish_Castello
0.13981224 Spanish_Pirineu
0.14036608 Spanish_Catalunya_Central
0.14055422 Spanish_Aragon
0.14084796 Spanish_Barcelones
0.14267048 Spanish_Cantabria
0.14412809 Spanish_Asturias
0.14427406 Spanish_Navarra
0.14509955 Spanish_Soria
0.14994014 Spanish_La_Rioja
0.15874844 Norwegian
0.15980830 Spanish_Pais_Vasco
0.16107945 Polish





Distance to: Turkish_South
0.11425998 Italian_Calabria
0.11485879 Italian_Basilicata
0.11616296 Italian_Campania
0.11653426 Italian_Molise
0.11780157 Italian_Apulia
0.11856644 Italian_Abruzzo
0.12293658 Italian_Umbria
0.12333362 Albanian
0.12368761 Italian_Marche
0.12595234 Bulgarian
0.12666726 Italian_Lazio
0.12887362 Italian_Tuscany
0.13250073 Italian_Piedmont
0.13578086 Italian_Liguria
0.14065635 Italian_Northeast
0.14096828 Italian_Lombardy
0.14150560 Italian_Veneto
0.14390390 Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige
0.14436590 Italian_Bergamo
0.14565162 Italian_Aosta_Valley
0.14934330 Spanish_Eivissa
0.15012378 Spanish_Mallorca
0.15062826 Spanish_Murcia
0.15090593 Spanish_Baleares
0.15132755 Spanish_Menorca
0.15142404 Spanish_Extremadura
0.15217614 Spanish_Andalucia
0.15226772 Spanish_Alacant
0.15300134 Spanish_Galicia
0.15341552 Spanish_Camp_de_Tarragona
0.15364621 Spanish_Penedes
0.15380889 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon
0.15403385 Spanish_Girona
0.15435837 Hungarian
0.15449302 Austrian
0.15486281 Spanish_Terres_de_l'Ebre
0.15542687 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha
0.15572164 Spanish_Valencia
0.15709246 Spanish_Lleida
0.15712040 Spanish_Peri-Barcelona
0.15818573 Spanish_Castello
0.15840050 Spanish_Cataluna
0.15904167 Spanish_Pirineu
0.15955621 Spanish_Aragon
0.15969626 Spanish_Catalunya_Central
0.15997934 Spanish_Barcelones
0.16145857 Spanish_Cantabria
0.16248165 Spanish_Navarra
0.16285440 Spanish_Asturias
0.16354555 Spanish_Soria
0.16897723 Spanish_La_Rioja
0.17455445 Norwegian
0.17825736 Spanish_Pais_Vasco
0.17860190 Polish






Distance to: Turkish_Southwest
0.10169940 Italian_Calabria
0.10215867 Italian_Basilicata
0.10363400 Italian_Campania
0.10414844 Italian_Molise
0.10520118 Italian_Apulia
0.10585911 Italian_Abruzzo
0.10988829 Italian_Umbria
0.10996903 Albanian
0.11108514 Italian_Marche
0.11347846 Bulgarian
0.11379438 Italian_Lazio
0.11595667 Italian_Tuscany
0.11989320 Italian_Piedmont
0.12379928 Italian_Liguria
0.12833843 Italian_Northeast
0.12874635 Italian_Veneto
0.12886051 Italian_Lombardy
0.13130648 Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige
0.13184634 Italian_Bergamo
0.13411070 Italian_Aosta_Valley
0.13692494 Spanish_Eivissa
0.13762928 Spanish_Mallorca
0.13780260 Spanish_Murcia
0.13809026 Spanish_Baleares
0.13845793 Spanish_Menorca
0.13864188 Spanish_Extremadura
0.13978722 Spanish_Andalucia
0.13989674 Spanish_Alacant
0.14058922 Spanish_Galicia
0.14099671 Spanish_Camp_de_Tarragona
0.14139754 Spanish_Penedes
0.14149261 Spanish_Girona
0.14163267 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon
0.14263638 Spanish_Terres_de_l'Ebre
0.14306448 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha
0.14338583 Spanish_Valencia
0.14389066 Austrian
0.14421832 Hungarian
0.14478624 Spanish_Peri-Barcelona
0.14483455 Spanish_Lleida
0.14565689 Spanish_Castello
0.14591458 Spanish_Cataluna
0.14653915 Spanish_Pirineu
0.14722509 Spanish_Catalunya_Central
0.14740256 Spanish_Aragon
0.14792494 Spanish_Barcelones
0.14932259 Spanish_Cantabria
0.15080595 Spanish_Soria
0.15081058 Spanish_Navarra
0.15157182 Spanish_Asturias
0.15570743 Spanish_La_Rioja
0.16627247 Norwegian
0.16674469 Spanish_Pais_Vasco
0.16944162 Polish






Guess the eats asian pulls the turks further from euros.

[Kyp]

Guess the eats asian pulls the turks further from euros.


Nope. It's much more complex.

[فاروق]

^

Wow, judging from these results looks like Lebanese are closer. People who voted "Turkish" are Turks themselves, and it's funny to me; I refrained from voting.
The thing is Turkish identity as a whole is based on this little East Asian admix and it fascinates me.

[Nomansman]

^

Wow, judging from these results looks like Lebanese are closer. People who voted "Turkish" are Turks themselves, and it's funny to me; I refrained from voting.
The thing is Turkish identity as a whole is based on this little East Asian admix and it fascinates me.

TBH, their turkic ancestry comes from oghuz people being largely west eurasian themselves and like around 40% east aisna. Many turks are 10% east asian, so theyre like 1/4 oghuz/"turkic". Of course i can be wrong though.



ALso, lebanese are closer to some euros, but not all euros(turks can be slightly closer to balkans than lebanese). THeyre also closer to central euros significantly and probably russians too than lebanese are.


But kind of suprised how close lebanese are to some of the italian avgs. Not like theyre extremely close though, but.....honestly, if lebanese arent considered "white"/largely "white, than some of the italian references shouldnt be either.

[فاروق]

TBH, their turkic ancestry comes from oghuz people being largely west eurasian themselves and like around 40% east aisna. Many turks are 10% east asian, so theyre like 1/4 oghuz/"turkic". Of course i can be wrong though.



ALso, lebanese are closer to some euros, but not all euros(turks can be slightly closer to balkans than lebanese). THeyre also closer to central euros significantly and probably russians too than lebanese are.


But kind of suprised how close lebanese are to some of the italian avgs. Not like theyre extremely close though, but.....honestly, if lebanese arent considered "white"/largely "white, than some of the italian references shouldnt be either.

South Italians are part Lebanese coming from their Phoenician ancestry. South Italians are labelled as being half Lebanese half North Italian.

[Nomansman]

South Italians are part Lebanese coming from their Phoenician ancestry. South Italians are labelled as being half Lebanese half North Italian.

Then they really shouldnt count if thats the case(its like using half turks, half balkans as avg euro pops), in this "who's most euro, turks or lebbos?". Then both are roughly close to non-mixed euros, with lebbos just being slightly closer to some euros and turks the same

[Kyp]

Delete

[Rgvgjhvv]

In my genetic results, I am slightly closer to Turks than Lebanese. That's for both K13 and K15.

Even though I can be modeled as this on K15:

85.6% Greek + 14.4% Lebanese_Christian @ 3.54
82.6% Greek + 17.4% Lebanese_Muslim @ 3.56
86.2% Greek + 13.8% Lebanese_Druze @ 3.63

As a single population, I am closer to Turks.

[Laag]

Ethnic Turks pass much better in Central Asia or Iran.
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?313500-Classify-these-Turks-from-Wagenseil-s-study-work

But do not forget that there are many European minorities in Turkey for example Balkan Slavs or Circassians and they pass better in Europe.
These are ethnic Circassians from Turkey.
https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-027641faa083865c227dd811ed39a0d9
https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-f26c000deac02a4898d9b7b7a60674c4-c
https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-925f30b7301781bfbe5fc3ca9497c92a-c
https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-3a6cdd4871617339d646e6ce6de91be9
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https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-9e5c7ab1fcd54a1be5191be3184ee53c

Turkish TA memebers posting them as "Turks" but they are not Turk they just Circassian living in Turkey.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/df/CircassianinTu.png

[Thracian]

Ethnic Turks pass much better in Central Asia or Iran.
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?313500-Classify-these-Turks-from-Wagenseil-s-study-work

But do not forget that there are many European minorities in Turkey for example Balkan Slavs or Circassians and they pass better in Europe.
These are ethnic Circassians from Turkey.
https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-027641faa083865c227dd811ed39a0d9
https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-f26c000deac02a4898d9b7b7a60674c4-c
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https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-9e5c7ab1fcd54a1be5191be3184ee53c

Turkish TA memebers posting them as "Turks" but they are not Turk they just Circassian living in Turkey.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/df/CircassianinTu.png

I don't know why do people tend to whitewashing Circassians but all Circassians that I met were darker skinned. Maybe just a coincidence.

[Abdelnour]

I havent read all the posts and just the part about wether lebos or turks are closest to euros. Here are some g25 nmonte results:





Distance to: Lebanese_Christian
0.06639777 Italian_Calabria
0.06929048 Italian_Campania
0.07407813 Italian_Basilicata
0.07667120 Italian_Apulia
0.08198618 Italian_Abruzzo
0.08441969 Italian_Molise
0.08977650 Italian_Lazio
0.09520684 Italian_Marche
0.09628779 Italian_Umbria
0.10630710 Italian_Tuscany
0.10962697 Albanian
0.11646411 Italian_Piedmont
0.12348708 Italian_Liguria
0.12586727 Italian_Lombardy
0.12936662 Italian_Bergamo
0.13077881 Bulgarian
0.13095723 Italian_Veneto
0.13626734 Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige
0.13722160 Spanish_Extremadura
0.13866107 Italian_Northeast
0.13922337 Spanish_Eivissa
0.13927676 Spanish_Menorca
0.14019951 Spanish_Murcia
0.14037502 Spanish_Andalucia
0.14229428 Spanish_Baleares
0.14277634 Spanish_Mallorca
0.14343364 Spanish_Alacant
0.14384022 Spanish_Galicia
0.14413432 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha
0.14577993 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon
0.14681319 Spanish_Terres_de_l'Ebre
0.14705110 Italian_Aosta_Valley
0.14775134 Spanish_Camp_de_Tarragona
0.14782490 Spanish_Valencia
0.14833643 Spanish_Peri-Barcelona
0.14885359 Spanish_Girona
0.14948257 Spanish_Penedes
0.15035196 Spanish_Lleida
0.15115084 Spanish_Castello
0.15139115 Spanish_Aragon
0.15181881 Spanish_Pirineu
0.15213241 Spanish_Catalunya_Central
0.15220113 Spanish_Cataluna
0.15338632 Spanish_La_Rioja
0.15380756 Spanish_Barcelones
0.15444582 Spanish_Navarra
0.15500807 Spanish_Cantabria
0.15555766 Spanish_Asturias
0.16368467 Spanish_Soria
0.17243358 Austrian
0.17258893 Spanish_Pais_Vasco
0.17598677 Hungarian
0.20267707 Norwegian
0.20598380 Polish






Distance to: Lebanese_Druze
0.06408705 Italian_Calabria
0.06745029 Italian_Campania
0.07189083 Italian_Basilicata
0.07445218 Italian_Apulia
0.07964934 Italian_Abruzzo
0.08177723 Italian_Molise
0.08879423 Italian_Lazio
0.09295217 Italian_Marche
0.09388645 Italian_Umbria
0.10393561 Italian_Tuscany
0.10619152 Albanian
0.11386398 Italian_Piedmont
0.12015730 Italian_Liguria
0.12377513 Italian_Lombardy
0.12589112 Bulgarian
0.12744342 Italian_Bergamo
0.12836623 Italian_Veneto
0.13368040 Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige
0.13506686 Spanish_Extremadura
0.13520203 Italian_Northeast
0.13708958 Spanish_Eivissa
0.13737121 Spanish_Menorca
0.13834268 Spanish_Murcia
0.13837603 Spanish_Andalucia
0.14014855 Spanish_Baleares
0.14025625 Spanish_Mallorca
0.14115382 Spanish_Alacant
0.14150865 Spanish_Galicia
0.14243811 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha
0.14299789 Italian_Aosta_Valley
0.14338796 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon
0.14487435 Spanish_Terres_de_l'Ebre
0.14545028 Spanish_Camp_de_Tarragona
0.14590818 Spanish_Valencia
0.14637034 Spanish_Peri-Barcelona
0.14652558 Spanish_Girona
0.14688387 Spanish_Penedes
0.14847209 Spanish_Lleida
0.14952656 Spanish_Castello
0.14954598 Spanish_Aragon
0.15009034 Spanish_Pirineu
0.15012719 Spanish_Cataluna
0.15024649 Spanish_Catalunya_Central
0.15155027 Spanish_Barcelones
0.15278138 Spanish_Navarra
0.15319221 Spanish_Cantabria
0.15350729 Spanish_La_Rioja
0.15352347 Spanish_Asturias
0.16153162 Spanish_Soria
0.16732573 Austrian
0.17041338 Hungarian
0.17110725 Spanish_Pais_Vasco
0.19699760 Norwegian
0.20006503 Polish





Distance to: Lebanese_Muslim
0.06539741 Italian_Calabria
0.06973159 Italian_Campania
0.07363081 Italian_Basilicata
0.07635878 Italian_Apulia
0.08120899 Italian_Abruzzo
0.08312876 Italian_Molise
0.09049733 Italian_Lazio
0.09414381 Italian_Marche
0.09526339 Italian_Umbria
0.10487814 Italian_Tuscany
0.10583494 Albanian
0.11418806 Italian_Piedmont
0.11935948 Italian_Liguria
0.12416399 Bulgarian
0.12429066 Italian_Lombardy
0.12763872 Italian_Bergamo
0.12842290 Italian_Veneto
0.13346282 Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige
0.13364589 Spanish_Extremadura
0.13430423 Italian_Northeast
0.13640152 Spanish_Eivissa
0.13662704 Spanish_Menorca
0.13691135 Spanish_Murcia
0.13715296 Spanish_Andalucia
0.13947944 Spanish_Baleares
0.13957033 Spanish_Mallorca
0.14004404 Spanish_Galicia
0.14033306 Spanish_Alacant
0.14165722 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon
0.14183025 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha
0.14237078 Italian_Aosta_Valley
0.14449115 Spanish_Terres_de_l'Ebre
0.14460446 Spanish_Camp_de_Tarragona
0.14508218 Spanish_Valencia
0.14585885 Spanish_Peri-Barcelona
0.14590739 Spanish_Girona
0.14623473 Spanish_Penedes
0.14792386 Spanish_Lleida
0.14887908 Spanish_Cataluna
0.14889786 Spanish_Castello
0.14905571 Spanish_Aragon
0.14944884 Spanish_Pirineu
0.14988343 Spanish_Catalunya_Central
0.15056868 Spanish_Barcelones
0.15212370 Spanish_Asturias
0.15236372 Spanish_Navarra
0.15262134 Spanish_Cantabria
0.15377809 Spanish_La_Rioja
0.16091022 Spanish_Soria
0.16487831 Austrian
0.16743950 Hungarian
0.17075875 Spanish_Pais_Vasco
0.19477771 Norwegian
0.19637392 Polish





Distance to: Turkish_Adana
0.07972728 Italian_Calabria
0.08184276 Italian_Basilicata
0.08203226 Italian_Campania
0.08477652 Italian_Apulia
0.08587805 Italian_Molise
0.08679338 Italian_Abruzzo
0.09551302 Italian_Umbria
0.09555007 Italian_Marche
0.09701762 Italian_Lazio
0.09933830 Albanian
0.10349484 Italian_Tuscany
0.10773375 Bulgarian
0.10962021 Italian_Piedmont
0.11438849 Italian_Liguria
0.11963137 Italian_Lombardy
0.12136574 Italian_Veneto
0.12334835 Italian_Northeast
0.12347878 Italian_Bergamo
0.12534406 Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige
0.12930062 Italian_Aosta_Valley
0.13162392 Spanish_Eivissa
0.13264448 Spanish_Extremadura
0.13273351 Spanish_Menorca
0.13296282 Spanish_Mallorca
0.13377794 Spanish_Baleares
0.13401701 Spanish_Murcia
0.13451254 Spanish_Andalucia
0.13527845 Spanish_Alacant
0.13625741 Spanish_Galicia
0.13761184 Spanish_Camp_de_Tarragona
0.13761717 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon
0.13780969 Spanish_Penedes
0.13800077 Spanish_Terres_de_l'Ebre
0.13802422 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha
0.13808210 Spanish_Girona
0.13953296 Spanish_Valencia
0.14025778 Spanish_Peri-Barcelona
0.14109457 Spanish_Lleida
0.14284798 Spanish_Castello
0.14303042 Spanish_Cataluna
0.14306739 Spanish_Pirineu
0.14346029 Spanish_Catalunya_Central
0.14370867 Spanish_Aragon
0.14386946 Spanish_Barcelones
0.14475019 Austrian
0.14609877 Hungarian
0.14610063 Spanish_Cantabria
0.14742364 Spanish_Navarra
0.14791868 Spanish_Asturias
0.15116191 Spanish_Soria
0.15246674 Spanish_La_Rioja
0.16373127 Spanish_Pais_Vasco
0.17099631 Norwegian
0.17306876 Polish





Distance to: Turkish_Aydin
0.09849263 Italian_Calabria
0.09894210 Italian_Basilicata
0.10045890 Italian_Campania
0.10100470 Italian_Molise
0.10138686 Italian_Apulia
0.10277394 Italian_Abruzzo
0.10652146 Albanian
0.10758598 Italian_Umbria
0.10765988 Italian_Marche
0.11074631 Bulgarian
0.11088646 Italian_Lazio
0.11336206 Italian_Tuscany
0.11714634 Italian_Piedmont
0.11973315 Italian_Liguria
0.12525131 Italian_Lombardy
0.12580974 Italian_Northeast
0.12638145 Italian_Veneto
0.12853031 Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige
0.12889140 Italian_Bergamo
0.13181309 Italian_Aosta_Valley
0.13452654 Spanish_Eivissa
0.13543192 Spanish_Murcia
0.13560543 Spanish_Mallorca
0.13570391 Spanish_Menorca
0.13606894 Spanish_Baleares
0.13672349 Spanish_Extremadura
0.13720060 Spanish_Andalucia
0.13797593 Spanish_Alacant
0.13828593 Spanish_Galicia
0.13896858 Spanish_Camp_de_Tarragona
0.13908590 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon
0.13970624 Spanish_Penedes
0.13996471 Spanish_Girona
0.14001851 Spanish_Terres_de_l'Ebre
0.14062380 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha
0.14108365 Spanish_Valencia
0.14183903 Hungarian
0.14197406 Austrian
0.14281956 Spanish_Lleida
0.14286380 Spanish_Peri-Barcelona
0.14369175 Spanish_Cataluna
0.14413835 Spanish_Castello
0.14466449 Spanish_Pirineu
0.14530764 Spanish_Aragon
0.14536528 Spanish_Catalunya_Central
0.14546696 Spanish_Barcelones
0.14747066 Spanish_Cantabria
0.14784545 Spanish_Asturias
0.14879997 Spanish_Navarra
0.15063881 Spanish_Soria
0.15423920 Spanish_La_Rioja
0.16415735 Spanish_Pais_Vasco
0.16569424 Norwegian
0.16707830 Polish





Distance to: Turkish_Balikesir
0.09907694 Italian_Basilicata
0.09979062 Italian_Calabria
0.09979698 Italian_Molise
0.10069603 Italian_Campania
0.10112020 Italian_Apulia
0.10163462 Italian_Abruzzo
0.10419892 Albanian
0.10526604 Italian_Umbria
0.10534306 Italian_Marche
0.10635658 Bulgarian
0.10934169 Italian_Lazio
0.11012455 Italian_Tuscany
0.11280218 Italian_Piedmont
0.11501724 Italian_Liguria
0.12004426 Italian_Lombardy
0.12066451 Italian_Northeast
0.12153946 Italian_Veneto
0.12311938 Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige
0.12422801 Italian_Bergamo
0.12548301 Italian_Aosta_Valley
0.12874842 Spanish_Eivissa
0.12989521 Spanish_Mallorca
0.13049535 Spanish_Menorca
0.13056092 Spanish_Baleares
0.13066608 Spanish_Murcia
0.13154453 Spanish_Andalucia
0.13181473 Spanish_Extremadura
0.13227728 Spanish_Alacant
0.13270474 Spanish_Galicia
0.13289951 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon
0.13293484 Spanish_Camp_de_Tarragona
0.13359012 Spanish_Penedes
0.13370984 Spanish_Girona
0.13376636 Spanish_Terres_de_l'Ebre
0.13464595 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha
0.13494155 Hungarian
0.13497673 Austrian
0.13503023 Spanish_Valencia
0.13663217 Spanish_Lleida
0.13693545 Spanish_Peri-Barcelona
0.13801690 Spanish_Cataluna
0.13838119 Spanish_Castello
0.13848030 Spanish_Pirineu
0.13877215 Spanish_Aragon
0.13916759 Spanish_Barcelones
0.13953240 Spanish_Catalunya_Central
0.14113240 Spanish_Cantabria
0.14137093 Spanish_Asturias
0.14225471 Spanish_Navarra
0.14472864 Spanish_Soria
0.14976230 Spanish_La_Rioja
0.15655893 Norwegian
0.15705682 Spanish_Pais_Vasco
0.16050649 Polish

Can you do me when you get a chance?

,PC1,PC2,PC3,PC4,PC5,PC6,PC7,PC8,PC9,PC10,PC11,PC1 2,PC13,PC14,PC15,PC16,PC17,PC18,PC19,PC20,PC21,PC2 2,PC23,PC24,PC25
Scaled,0.088782,0.138112,-0.046763,-0.076228,-0.00954,-0.025658,-0.001175,-0.003692,0.001432,0.007472,0.009906,-0.007793,0.011893,-0.004266,-0.002172,0.016574,0.007302,-0.00152,0.003268,0.000375,0.004118,-0.000495,0.00493,-0.004699,0.000359

[Nomansman]

Can you do me when you get a chance?

,PC1,PC2,PC3,PC4,PC5,PC6,PC7,PC8,PC9,PC10,PC11,PC1 2,PC13,PC14,PC15,PC16,PC17,PC18,PC19,PC20,PC21,PC2 2,PC23,PC24,PC25
Scaled,0.088782,0.138112,-0.046763,-0.076228,-0.00954,-0.025658,-0.001175,-0.003692,0.001432,0.007472,0.009906,-0.007793,0.011893,-0.004266,-0.002172,0.016574,0.007302,-0.00152,0.003268,0.000375,0.004118,-0.000495,0.00493,-0.004699,0.000359



Distance to: Scaled
0.06676444 Italian_Calabria
0.06921707 Italian_Campania
0.07348636 Italian_Basilicata
0.07406712 Sicilian_East
0.07691381 Italian_Apulia
0.08046158 Sicilian_West
0.08118570 Italian_Abruzzo
0.08347918 Italian_Molise
0.08861589 Italian_Lazio
0.09422223 Italian_Umbria
0.09425692 Italian_Marche
0.10447166 Italian_Tuscany
0.11469366 Italian_Piedmont
0.12250134 Italian_Liguria
0.12531954 Italian_Lombardy
0.12732276 Bulgarian
0.12792871 Italian_Bergamo
0.12825990 Italian_Veneto
0.13382387 Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige
0.13419296 Spanish_Extremadura
0.13532923 Portuguese
0.13568990 Italian_Northeast
0.13640588 Spanish_Eivissa
0.13673959 Spanish_Menorca
0.13693525 Spanish_Murcia

[thenewestmember]

I don't know why do people tend to white Circassians but all Circassians that I met were darker skinned. Maybe just a coincidence.

kavkaz are even lighter than southwest slavs like serbs, bosnians, croatians. let alone lighter than turkish.

[Abdelnour]

Distance to: Scaled
0.06676444 Italian_Calabria
0.06921707 Italian_Campania
0.07348636 Italian_Basilicata
0.07406712 Sicilian_East
0.07691381 Italian_Apulia
0.08046158 Sicilian_West
0.08118570 Italian_Abruzzo
0.08347918 Italian_Molise
0.08861589 Italian_Lazio
0.09422223 Italian_Umbria
0.09425692 Italian_Marche
0.10447166 Italian_Tuscany
0.11469366 Italian_Piedmont
0.12250134 Italian_Liguria
0.12531954 Italian_Lombardy
0.12732276 Bulgarian
0.12792871 Italian_Bergamo
0.12825990 Italian_Veneto
0.13382387 Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige
0.13419296 Spanish_Extremadura
0.13532923 Portuguese
0.13568990 Italian_Northeast
0.13640588 Spanish_Eivissa
0.13673959 Spanish_Menorca
0.13693525 Spanish_Murcia

Thank you. Similiar to Lebanese Christian's, as expected.

[Kyp]

Turkish TA memebers posting them as "Turks" but they are not Turk they just Circassian living in Turkey.


Circassians are ethnic Caucasians and have nothing-to-very-little to do with Europeans. Also they are much darker on average than the ones you have posted. They pass on average much better in Turkey, Azerbaijan or even Iran than any european country.

https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-d9e885c54b27ac1deeea813b5ce24b56

[72737282]

Ethnic Turks pass much better in Central Asia or Iran.
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?313500-Classify-these-Turks-from-Wagenseil-s-study-work

But do not forget that there are many European minorities in Turkey for example Balkan Slavs or Circassians and they pass better in Europe.
These are ethnic Circassians from Turkey.
https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-027641faa083865c227dd811ed39a0d9
https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-f26c000deac02a4898d9b7b7a60674c4-c
https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-925f30b7301781bfbe5fc3ca9497c92a-c
https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-3a6cdd4871617339d646e6ce6de91be9
https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-e4858db6503b2a988d6537e0b0c01074-c[img]
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https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-3d478a8cb345635137bfd652058934c5-c
https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-ddd1b696fdaeae5030091a36d2828819-c
https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-9e5c7ab1fcd54a1be5191be3184ee53c

Turkish TA memebers posting them as "Turks" but they are not Turk they just Circassian living in Turkey.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/df/CircassianinTu.png

The term Turk isn't based on where your ancestors migrated from, no one sees a difference between them. Everyone is called Turks. Dig deep enough and you will see all Turks have ancestry out of Anatolia. Kurds are a different thing since they have a whole different language, culture etc.

[Wolfdog]

Turks IMO

Almost all Lebanese I have seen IRL look like Armenians

While Turks represent way more AtlantoPontid, Alpine, East Baltid, ProtoEuropoid etc. types

P.S. Surely, I'm talking about "average" people, but not about cherrypicked celebrities.

[Nomansman]

kavkaz are even lighter than southwest slavs like serbs, bosnians, croatians. let alone lighter than turkish.

Can you post crowd pics of those kavkaz people? Or just many pics of kavkaz people? Never imagined them to be lighter than balkanians and some central euros

[Nomansman]

Circassians are ethnic Caucasians and have nothing-to-very-little to do with Europeans. Also they are much darker on average than the ones you have posted. They pass on average much better in Turkey, Azerbaijan or even Iran than any european country.

https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-d9e885c54b27ac1deeea813b5ce24b56

Ironically theyre not(excluding georgians) even closer to euros than armenians and some turks(not talking about partly balkan turks, but avg turks) are genetically.

Edit: Scratch that. Circassians are closer to euros than armenians are slightly. Confused them for another kavkaz group

[Faklon]

Lebanese, both are equally distant phenotypically and genotypically but Lebanese are civilized.

But, just look at this:

"posts results of mohammedan Balkanics and pictures of Euro mixes"

"according to these results Turks are 80% (acclaimed wog) Greek islander+20% Tamil"

[samario]

This would be a terrible example to gauge my countrys average physical appearance as most sportsmen are low-class and from minority groups but Lebanon is a far more homogenous country so...

Lebanese football team

https://blogbaladi.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/Lebanons-players-celebrate-after-winning-an-Asian-Cup-2019-1024x651-750x420.jpg

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/fe/52/7e/fe527e1521f4ebc8869f590496c4acba.jpg

https://www.culturalpulse.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/lebanon-cedar-team.jpg

https://www.socceroos.com.au/sites/socceroos/files/2018-08/lebanonXI.jpg

https://cdn.the961.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/84321578.png

Pretty Mediterranean looking if you ask me.

Lebanon rugby team

https://cdn.newsapi.com.au/image/v1/2aa02fc531a673318adb38f9a9a67a60?width=650

https://www.abc.net.au/news/image/11267810-3x2-700x467.jpg

https://cdn.newsapi.com.au/image/v1/60aca1dbf0140c4f000cac06339733a2?width=1024

https://i2-prod.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article11465489.ece/ALTERNATES/s615b/PAY-RLWC-2017-England-RL-v-Lebanon.jpg

https://www.loverugbyleague.com/content/uploads/2019/06/Robbie-Farah-with-Lebanon-World-Cup-PA-678x381.png

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DNS0ypMUIAEObEV.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/YSBsRbwV/1-OORg8-Y3uw-RVCXGrhay2-Ch-USY9e7-QGz-Qai-LKMSei-EI.jpg

[Marmara]

Lebanese are closer to South Euros, Turks are closer to rest.

[samario]

https://i.postimg.cc/YSBsRbwV/1-OORg8-Y3uw-RVCXGrhay2-Ch-USY9e7-QGz-Qai-LKMSei-EI.jpg

[Nomansman]

Lebanese are closer to South Euros, Turks are closer to rest.

Basically that, yeah

[Faklon]

Lebanese are closer to South Euros, Turks are closer to rest.

Even closer to the rest than South Europeans are, we are only closer to Germanics only because they also have neolithic wog admixture.

In Thessaly we confuse Turks with Finnish folk and their girls for Udmurt beauties, the real Turkish cluster must be the East Finnish in the 2nd page pca.

[Tauromachos]

turks are mostly west asian. the lebanese are mostly closer to southern euro populations. an average lebanese will look more mediterranean than an average turk.

Depends

For Greece they might be equidistant for rest of South East Europe then Turks are closer
and for rest of Southern Europe ,Lebos

Maybe

Balkans,Eastern Europe:Turks

Southern and Western Europe:Lebos

[Aileron]

Honestly Geography plays a role and we are located more North and more light pigmented imho
Plus arent Lebanese Arabs?

[archangel]

Lol is this a joke, Lebanese are arabs and legit brown sandniggers they even seem to have some SSA in their phenotype.
This site was way better in 2013 even with its flame wars now its a bullshit

What is with threads with these sandniggers?
First North Caucasians now us?

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?276336-Who%92s-whiter-Lebanese-Or-North-Caucasus

[Tauromachos]

Honestly Geography plays a role and we are located more North and more light pigmented imho
Plus arent Lebanese Arabs?

Lebos are Arabic speakers but they are a small country consisting of many different ethnic or religious minorities and subgroups
something comparable to Balkan countries like Rep of Macedonia or Bulgaria in Europe

There are Levantines"people of European descend who came as traders mostly of French and Italian origin",Maronites,Druze,Kurds,Armenians,Jews
Bedouins,Greeks or whatever they might be considered Oriental Hellenic Christians"Rum" and Palestinians

Ancient Lebanon was mostly Phoenicians but eventually Bronze Age Greeks"Mycanaeans" also colonized the region

[Aileron]

Lol is this a joke, Lebanese are arabs and legit brown sandniggers they even seem to have some SSA in their phenotype.
This site was way better in 2013 even with its flame wars now its a bullshit

What is with threads with these sandniggers?
First North Caucasians now us?

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?276336-Who%92s-whiter-Lebanese-Or-North-Caucasus

Abi çok sert giriyorsun sakin ol bence ...

[archangel]

No, they are not outliers and they are closer to the Anatolian Turks than any Levantine, by far. Balkan Turks and descendants make a good percentage of the Turkish population today, you like it or not.



I did in my previous post but i will post again:


Kit DA2718541

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 27.75
2 West_Asian 21.88
3 West_Med 13.83
4 North_Atlantic 9.82
5 Baltic 9.07
6 East_Asian 5.45
7 Siberian 5.17
8 Red_Sea 3.72
9 South_Asian 1.8
10 Oceanian 1.45
11 Northeast_African 0.06

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Turkish 10.32
2 Central_Greek 13.35
3 East_Sicilian 14.07
4 South_Italian 14.77
5 Ashkenazi 15
6 Azeri 15.33
7 Italian_Abruzzo 15.6
8 Greek_Thessaly 16.76
9 Cyprian 16.76
10 Lebanese_Muslim 16.78
11 Sephardic_Jewish 17.05
12 West_Sicilian 17.61
13 Syrian 17.86
14 Algerian_Jewish 18.3
15 Italian_Jewish 18.39
16 Assyrian 18.89
17 Turkmen 18.99
18 Tunisian_Jewish 19.03
19 Georgian_Jewish 19.5
20 Libyan_Jewish 19.76

Do not waste your time with these sandniggers my friend afterall they are arabs and apart form NA ,all arabs spanning from Arabia to Levant and Iraq all same
Hope Israel would demolish them..

[فاروق]

Lol is this a joke, Lebanese are arabs and legit brown sandniggers they even seem to have some SSA in their phenotype.
This site was way better in 2013 even with its flame wars now its a bullshit

What is with threads with these sandniggers?
First North Caucasians now us?

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?276336-Who%92s-whiter-Lebanese-Or-North-Caucasus

Based on Eurogenes K13 averages.

Turkish:
Sub-Saharan: 0.34

Lebanese:
Sub-Saharan: 0.01

[Kaspias]

Based on Eurogenes K13 averages.

Turkish:
Sub-Saharan: 0.34

Lebanese:
Sub-Saharan: 0.01


The thing is Turkish identity as a whole is based on this little East Asian admix and it fascinates me.



https://i.ibb.co/jyG9ytM/Ads-z.png

[archangel]

Based on Eurogenes K13 averages.

Turkish:
Sub-Saharan: 0.34

Lebanese:
Sub-Saharan: 0.01
Lol get lost sandnigger
https://resmim.net/f/a5TfaB.png
Not to mention components like red sea etc... lol
Your people are arabs and closer to Saudis and Yemenis

[فاروق]

Lol get lost sandnigger
Not to mention components like red sea etc... lol
Your people are arabs and closer to Saudis and Yemenis

90% of Turkish components are the same as Lebanese. The only difference is the extra Asian genes you guys have. You guys are just Arabs in denial brainwashed from childhood for self-hating yourselves.

[فاروق]

Lol get lost sandnigger
Not to mention components like red sea etc.. lol
Your people are arabs and closer to Saudis and Yemenis

90% of Turkish components are the same as Lebanese. The only difference is the extra Asian genes you guys have. You guys are just Arabs in denial brainwashed from childhood for self-hating yourselves.

[فاروق]

Lol get lost sandnigger
Not to mention components like red sea etc... lol
Your people are arab and closer to Saudis and Yemenis

90% of Turkish components are the same as Lebanese. The only difference is the extra Asian genes you guys have. You guys are just Arabs in denial brainwashed from childhood for self-hating yourselves.

[Kaspias]

90% of Turkish components are the same as Lebanese. The only difference is the extra Asian genes you guys have. You guys are just Arabs in denial brainwashed from childhood for self-hating yourselves.

Lmao

[فاروق]

Order:
North_Sea
Atlantic
Baltic
Eastern_Euro
West_Med
West_Asian
East_Med
Red_Sea
South_Asian
Southeast_Asian
Siberian
Amerindian
Oceanian
Northeast_African
Sub-Saharan

Turkish
3.25
7.28
2.98
4.13
7.79
29.40
28.81
5.62
4.36
2.02
3.28
0.32
0.42
0.30
0.03
Lebanese_Christian
1.49
2.78
1.14
0.71
11.81
20.20
47.37
12.34
0.77
0.23
0.08
0.03
0.13
0.87
0.05

[فاروق]

Greeks overlap with Lebanese 70%. Let alone Turks now who are 90%.

[Aileron]

90% of Turkish components are the same as Lebanese. The only difference is the extra Asian genes you guys have. You guys are just Arabs in denial brainwashed from childhood for self-hating yourselves.

Ehh i am not expert on genetics but from what i know we are more Northern shifted and less middle eastern( not saying we are not middle eastern) not to mention Balkan Turks who plot very Euro or something

[Kivan]

Ehh i am not expert on genetics but from what i know we are more Northern shifted and less middle eastern( not saying we are not middle eastern) not to mention Balkan Turks who plot very Euro or something

No, we are not similar. They have way more "East-Med" and "Red Sea" and less "West-Asian" than Anatolian Turks. They have almost no Steppe/Northern admixture while Turks can have 15~25%, depending on the region (Balkan Turks have more than 30% on average). Turks are at least 10% Mongoloid on average, too. They have way less West Med than Anatolian Turks, also.


An user from Afyon posted his results here in this forum:
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?302759-Classify-me-(Turk-from-Afyon)



Eurogenes K13 Oracle results:

Kit DA2718541

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 27.75
2 West_Asian 21.88
3 West_Med 13.83
4 North_Atlantic 9.82
5 Baltic 9.07
6 East_Asian 5.45
7 Siberian 5.17
8 Red_Sea 3.72
9 South_Asian 1.8
10 Oceanian 1.45
11 Northeast_African 0.06

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Turkish 10.32
2 Central_Greek 13.35
3 East_Sicilian 14.07
4 South_Italian 14.77
5 Ashkenazi 15
6 Azeri 15.33
7 Italian_Abruzzo 15.6
8 Greek_Thessaly 16.76
9 Cyprian 16.76
10 Lebanese_Muslim 16.78
11 Sephardic_Jewish 17.05
12 West_Sicilian 17.61
13 Syrian 17.86
14 Algerian_Jewish 18.3
15 Italian_Jewish 18.39
16 Assyrian 18.89
17 Turkmen 18.99
18 Tunisian_Jewish 19.03
19 Georgian_Jewish 19.5
20 Libyan_Jewish 19.76

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 54.7% Italian_Jewish + 45.3% Nogay @ 4.62
2 57.2% Cyprian + 42.8% Nogay @ 4.78
3 54.9% Algerian_Jewish + 45.1% Nogay @ 4.91
4 53.8% Tunisian_Jewish + 46.2% Nogay @ 5.1
5 56.8% Sephardic_Jewish + 43.2% Nogay @ 5.14
6 59.9% Central_Greek + 40.1% Turkmen @ 5.38
7 56.5% Ashkenazi + 43.5% Turkmen @ 5.43
8 58.4% East_Sicilian + 41.6% Turkmen @ 5.52
9 62.7% Ashkenazi + 37.3% Balkar @ 5.7
10 60.5% Ashkenazi + 39.5% Nogay @ 5.71
11 52.9% Libyan_Jewish + 47.1% Nogay @ 5.74
12 64.9% Turkish + 35.1% Greek_Thessaly @ 5.89
13 57.1% South_Italian + 42.9% Turkmen @ 5.93
14 71.2% Turkish + 28.8% Bulgarian @ 5.97
15 73.5% Turkish + 26.5% Romanian @ 6.2
16 61.2% South_Italian + 38.8% Nogay @ 6.27
17 51% Algerian_Jewish + 49% Turkmen @ 6.29
18 76.7% Turkish + 23.3% Serbian @ 6.3
19 63.8% Ashkenazi + 36.2% Kabardin @ 6.33
20 65.9% Ashkenazi + 34.1% North_Ossetian @ 6.34

[archangel]

90% of Turkish components are the same as Lebanese. The only difference is the extra Asian genes you guys have. You guys are just Arabs in denial brainwashed from childhood for self-hating yourselves.

Your orientalid/assyroid arab head is thick i think
Racially you guys are orientalid,arabid,assyroids
https://resmim.net/f/QohqQj.jpg
htteps://resmim.net/f/4G98gC.jpg
https://resmim.net/f/GCDG4J.jpg
https://resmim.net/f/u46J8h.jpg
https://resmim.net/f/4OQgg2.jpg

[Nomansman]

Ehh i am not expert on genetics but from what i know we are more Northern shifted and less middle eastern( not saying we are not middle eastern) not to mention Balkan Turks who plot very Euro or something

You do know he's only talking about mainland turks?

[فاروق]

Your orientalid/assyroid arab head is thick i think
Racially you guys are orientalid,arabid,assyroids

I'm not very familiar with these races but I fit perfectly the Armenoid category. As I said you guys have the same components as us, go visit Lebanon and then make an opinion.

http://humanphenotypes.net/basic/armenoidm.jpghttp://humanphenotypes.net/basic/armenoidf.jpg

http://humanphenotypes.net/basic/armenoid.gif

[Kivan]

Your orientalid/assyroid arab head is thick i think
Racially you guys are orientalid,arabid,assyroids


Hahahah he is so desperate, he is using a sock account to downvote my posts :D
https://abload.de/img/fireshotcapture1066-ttyj4k.png

[فاروق]

Hahahah he is so desperate, he is using a sock account to downvote my posts :D


Lol you are in delusion Mehmet and I don't know this guy, any way this argument is clear and you guys are all just in denial. It's time to pray in mosque brother. This is what your Arab ancestors taught you. (:

[Aileron]

You do know he's only talking about mainland turks?

Balkan Turks are like quarter of our population

[Nomansman]

Balkan Turks are like quarter of our population

Theyre, but he's still talking about main land turks. Whats the point of trying to compare balkan turks with lebs, if theyre obvs partly balkan(account the fact that a good couple is even closer to bulgars and specially east greeks and maybe even mainland greeks than many west turks and most inbetween) anyway?


Also, thanks for clarifying how much a part balkans turks makes of turks in general. Now i understand why i never see so many euro looking turks IRL compare to the pics(not that many turks cant pass as euros, but....with balkan turks, it really explains it to me)

[فاروق]

Theyre, but he's still talking about main land turks. Whats the point of trying to compare balkan turks with lebs, if theyre obvs partly balkan(account the fact that a good couple is even closer to bulgars and specially east greeks and maybe even mainland greeks than many west turks and most inbetween) anyway?


Also, thanks for clarifying how much a part balkans turks makes of turks in general. Now i understand why i never see so many euro looking turks IRL compare to the pics(not that many turks cant pass as euros, but....with balkan turks, it really explains it to me)

They are trying hard to deassociate themselves with North West Asians. People in Turkey are being widely indoctrinated that they're completely different and have nothing to do with us which of course leaves them in a complete different reality.

[archangel]

I'm not very familiar with these races but I fit perfectly the Armenoid category. As I said you guys have the same components as us, go visit Lebanon and then make an opinion.

http://humanphenotypes.net/basic/armenoidm.jpghttp://humanphenotypes.net/basic/armenoidf.jpg

http://humanphenotypes.net/basic/armenoid.gif

Assyroid and Orientalids are form of Arabid which is abundant in Levant and Iraq.
I dont need to visit your country in order to get picture
Lebanese are most close to our southermost provinces in physical look and genetics such as Antakya(Antioch), Adana and Gaziantep off course your avarage Lebanese are more middle eastern and more southern looking compared to these our provinces(Adana and Antioch has huge Balkan Turks population that settled after WW1)
And people from these southern most provinces which have the biggest overlap with Lebanese are stereotyped as darkest region of Turkey apart from Kurdish dominated south east.
So you get the memo right?

[archangel]

They are trying hard to deassociate themselves with North West Asians. People in Turkey are being widely indoctrinated that they're completely different and have nothing to do with us which of course leaves them in a complete different reality.

Many people dont have any idea about the ethnic groups that live south of us.
For many Turks, everybody who live south of us are Arabs and sometimes Iranians are seen as Arabs too lol

[archangel]

Theyre, but he's still talking about main land turks. Whats the point of trying to compare balkan turks with lebs, if theyre obvs partly balkan(account the fact that a good couple is even closer to bulgars and specially east greeks and maybe even mainland greeks than many west turks and most inbetween) anyway?


Also, thanks for clarifying how much a part balkans turks makes of turks in general. Now i understand why i never see so many euro looking turks IRL compare to the pics(not that many turks cant pass as euros, but....with balkan turks, it really explains it to me)

Balkan Turks plot North of all Greeks(Mainland and such) close to Ukraine..
And wtf a Pasthun has anything with us? Why do you even care?

[فاروق]

Many people dont have any idea about the ethnic groups that live south of us.
For many Turks, everybody who live south of us are Arabs and sometimes Iranians are seen as Arabs too lol

Lol, from a genetical point of view and these racial categories, it fits Turkey perfectly being considered Middle Eastern. I don't care what they think honestly. Maybe this time you should go ask the UN to remove Turkey from the Middle East? (Doesn't make sense since you're 100% Middle Eastern).

[فاروق]

Balkan Turks plot North of all Greeks(Mainland and such) close to Ukraine..
And wtf a Pasthun has anything with us? Why do you even care?

Balkan Turks were produced when an Ottoman soldier banged a Bosnian chick. That's how they came about. They are equally as far from Lebanese as they are from mainland Turks.

[Aileron]

Lol, from a genetical point of view and these racial categories, it fits Turkey perfectly being considered Middle Eastern. I don't care what they think honestly. Maybe this time you should go ask the UN to remove Turkey from the Middle East? (Doesn't make sense since you're 100% Middle Eastern).

Its ignorance i am afraid..

[Nomansman]

Balkan Turks plot North of all Greeks(Mainland and such) close to Ukraine..
And wtf a Pasthun has anything with us? Why do you even care?

Whats the matter? Im just here because im interested, since all the other threads are boring. Im not biased, just coming up with facts.
If balkan turks are clustering north of all greeks, it really says how close balkan turks are to west turks.

I mean, its entirely different with mainland turks though. Am i wrong?

[فاروق]

Whats the matter? Im just here because im interested, since all the other threads are boring. Im not biased, just coming up with facts.
If balkan turks are clustering north of all greeks, it really says how close balkan turks are to west turks.

I mean, its entirely different with mainland turks though. Am i wrong?

I noticed that location is everything after observing over 1k GEDMatch kits, the closer the nations the more they're related. This is the typical Turkish race and it's found in all northern part of West Asia. http://humanphenotypes.net/basic/Armenoid.html

[Nomansman]

I noticed that location is everything after observing over 1k GEDMatch kits, the closer the nations the more they're related. This is the typical Turkish race and it's found in all northern part of West Asia. http://humanphenotypes.net/basic/Armenoid.html


Well, theyre def not close to lebbos, syrians and specially saudis at all. But theyre(mainland turks) not really close to euros either

[Kivan]

Its ignorance i am afraid..

This guy is delusional :D :lol:

Turkish U20 basketball team

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?313681-Classify-rank-the-Under-20-Turkish-national-basketball-team
http://www.fiba.basketball/europe/u20/2019/team/Turkey#|tab=roster

https://abload.de/img/d7j0-poxkaaxje1uqj7p.jpg
https://abload.de/img/dd36852953c51b56a0a79gnj2s.jpg
https://abload.de/img/59660-3-5d323de5d93d2cekpv.jpg
https://abload.de/img/42154298_592964947803k8jaa.jpg
https://abload.de/img/1988qqk2r.jpg
https://abload.de/img/5c3b4c6a-onuralp-biti73jvj.jpg
https://abload.de/img/71576025_264368738902lij4s.jpg
https://abload.de/img/41959638_837145780010xjjkb.jpg
https://abload.de/img/59412973_2434956166733hkyz.jpg
https://abload.de/img/65218521_12556750201456kbr.jpg
https://abload.de/img/s-c13a27c496dac3a8289a0j4w.jpg


Now compare with the Lebanese one.

Compare also, other teams and such. Anyway, this became a trollish shitfest. I'm out.

[Aileron]

Balkan Turks were produced when an Ottoman soldier banged a Bosnian chick. That's how they came about. They are equally as far from Lebanese as they are from mainland Turks.

Its not that simple, Turkish presence in Balkans is older than Anatolia starting from Cumans and Pechenegs.
I am not a Balkan Turk but a Yörük from west Turkey and there are many Yörüks live in North Macedonia such as these people,



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4CQmg-5SsM

[فاروق]

Well, theyre def not close to lebbos, syrians and specially saudis at all. But theyre(mainland turks) not really close to euros either

Single population mode is not everything. They get pulled away and higher distance due to the East Asian admix. It's better if you just compare the components.

[Nomansman]

Single population mode is not everything. They get pulled away and higher distance due to the East Asian admix. It's better if you just compare the components.

Dude, if they get higher east asian, it also gets compensated for other components + they get a lot higher steppe(euro) admix than lebbos do and have a significantly smaller(or a lot less smaller) affinity to arabs than lebbos do(of course). So of course theyre far from levantines for those reasons(kurds arent).

I wouldnt even be suprised if turks turned as close to mainland greeks as to turkmen/uzbeks and lebanese

[Kaspias]

Look here Arab. No one will give this information to you in the future.

You claimed "Turks" are closer to Lebanese than any European population. When we give Balkan Turks as an example you said "mainland Turks." Then i showed you Anatolian Turks from all regions, you ignored and continued to spam with your utter ignorance.

Eurogenes spreadsheet uses a reference set which collected randomly in Turkey, and some of the samples were non-Turk, and most are from Eastern Anatolia. In the Lukasz's updated Eurogenes and G25 spreadsheet, we provided correct Turkish samples. I sent their results on page4, post #137. For some reason you ignored.

The closest sample was Adana(academic sample, includes few Kurds in the average) but still, he got Azeri at first, then Greek_Central_Anatolia. On the other hand, the actual reason why Adana(and around) are closer to the Lebanese is that the native Greek speaker population of this region was closer to the Levants with less Greek admixture. But they were identifying as Greek. The major population formed Anatolian Turks are Anatolian Greeks together with colonist Greeks. Any other mix occurred is just an exception.(like recent Kurdish mixes)

In terms of Balkan Turks, they have the same Turkic origin with Anatolian Turks but in addition, they absorbed some Tatar population inside them, too. First generations married with natives(at the beginning only men joined to Balkan migration) then as Balkans Islamized, they mixed with non-Turks too, formed a new ethnicity that speaks Turkish and grows with Turkish culture but carries a high amount of native DNA at the same time. This process mostly occurred in Northern Greece, Bulgaria, and North Macedonia. There were no major Turkish settlements in the rest of the Balkans. There was, but not that dense.

The Turkish Republic consists of two major elements, Anatolian Turks and Balkan Turks. But IRL there is no such separation and everyone identifies as just "Turk". You can't claim that a core population of a country is the genetic outlier. Even if you claim, Anatolian still has nothing to do with Arabs. They have high Levant admixture(but not as much as Lebanese) because of Greek conversion of the Levants.

You also claimed Turks have 90% same DNA with Lebanese and only different part 10%, which gives them Turkish identification, and said that you find it hilarious. Anatolian Turks have from 10% to 60% conqueror(Oghuz + Iranic most of time) ancestry. Also, around 30% pure Turkic ancestry. Imagine after thousands of years wars and total migration you still carry 30% of the DNA of the person who lives 2000 years before you. Is it hilarious too?

Not to mention Western Anatolian Turks who are basically plotting as Islander Greek or Mainlander(Colonist) + Turkmen and have nothing to do with being Middle Easterner.


Next time know your place, and learn something before claim such things.

[Aileron]

Look here Arab. No one will give this information to you in the future.

You claimed "Turks" are closer to Lebanese than any European population. When we give Balkan Turks as an example you said "mainland Turks." Then i showed you Anatolian Turks from all regions, you ignored and continued to spam with your utter ignorance.

Eurogenes spreadsheet uses a reference set which collected randomly in Turkey, and some of the samples were non-Turk, and most are from Eastern Anatolia. In the Lukasz's updated Eurogenes and G25 spreadsheet, we provided correct Turkish samples. I sent their results on page4, post #137. For some reason you ignored.

The closest sample was Adana(academic sample, includes few Kurds in the average) but still, he got Azeri at first, then Greek_Central_Anatolia. On the other hand, the actual reason why Adana(and around) are closer to the Lebanese is that the native Greek speaker population of this region was closer to the Levants with less Greek admixture. But they were identifying as Greek. The major population formed Anatolian Turks are Anatolian Greeks together with colonist Greeks. Any other mix occurred is just an exception.(like recent Kurdish mixes)

In terms of Balkan Turks, they have the same Turkic origin with Anatolian Turks but in addition, they absorbed some Tatar population inside them, too. First generations married with natives(at the beginning only men joined to Balkan migration) then as Balkans Islamized, they mixed with non-Turks too, formed a new ethnicity that speaks Turkish and grows with Turkish culture but carries a high amount of native DNA at the same time. This process mostly occurred in Northern Greece, Bulgaria, and North Macedonia. There were no major Turkish settlements in the rest of the Balkans. There was, but not that dense.

The Turkish Republic consists of two major elements, Anatolian Turks and Balkan Turks. But IRL there is no such separation and everyone identifies as just "Turk". You can't claim that a core population of a country is the genetic outlier. Even if you claim, Anatolian still has nothing to do with Arabs. They have high Levant admixture(but not as much as Lebanese) because of Greek conversion of the Levants.

You also claimed Turks have 90% same DNA with Lebanese and only different part 10%, which gives them Turkish identification, and said that you find it hilarious. Anatolian Turks have from 10% to 60% conqueror(Oghuz + Iranic most of time) ancestry. Also, around 30% pure Turkic ancestry. Imagine after thousands of years wars and total migration you still carry 30% of the DNA of the person who lives 2000 years before you. Is it hilarious too?

Not to mention Western Anatolian Turks who are basically plotting as Islander Greek or Mainlander(Colonist) + Turkmen and have nothing to do with being Middle Easterner.


Next time know your place, and learn something before claim such things.

That was explaining thanks...

[Bosniensis]

Both Groups were part of hellenic world at some point in time, later de-hellenized, lost culture, religion, traditions etc..

Still some Greek speakers among Lebanse and Turks ofc.

I like them more than.. let's say... Anglo-Saxons.

[فاروق]

Look here Arab. No one will give this information to you in the future.

You claimed "Turks" are closer to Lebanese than any European population. When we give Balkan Turks as an example you said "mainland Turks." Then i showed you Anatolian Turks from all regions, you ignored and continued to spam with your utter ignorance.

Eurogenes spreadsheet uses a reference set which collected randomly in Turkey, and some of the samples were non-Turk, and most are from Eastern Anatolia. In the Lukasz's updated Eurogenes and G25 spreadsheet, we provided correct Turkish samples. I sent their results on page4, post #137. For some reason you ignored.

The closest sample was Adana(academic sample, includes few Kurds in the average) but still, he got Azeri at first, then Greek_Central_Anatolia. On the other hand, the actual reason why Adana(and around) are closer to the Lebanese is that the native Greek speaker population of this region was closer to the Levants with less Greek admixture. But they were identifying as Greek. The major population formed Anatolian Turks are Anatolian Greeks together with colonist Greeks. Any other mix occurred is just an exception.(like recent Kurdish mixes)

In terms of Balkan Turks, they have the same Turkic origin with Anatolian Turks but in addition, they absorbed some Tatar population inside them, too. First generations married with natives(at the beginning only men joined to Balkan migration) then as Balkans Islamized, they mixed with non-Turks too, formed a new ethnicity that speaks Turkish and grows with Turkish culture but carries a high amount of native DNA at the same time. This process mostly occurred in Northern Greece, Bulgaria, and North Macedonia. There were no major Turkish settlements in the rest of the Balkans. There was, but not that dense.

The Turkish Republic consists of two major elements, Anatolian Turks and Balkan Turks. But IRL there is no such separation and everyone identifies as just "Turk". You can't claim that a core population of a country is the genetic outlier. Even if you claim, Anatolian still has nothing to do with Arabs. They have high Levant admixture(but not as much as Lebanese) because of Greek conversion of the Levants.

You also claimed Turks have 90% same DNA with Lebanese and only different part 10%, which gives them Turkish identification, and said that you find it hilarious. Anatolian Turks have from 10% to 60% conqueror(Oghuz + Iranic most of time) ancestry. Also, around 30% pure Turkic ancestry. Imagine after thousands of years wars and total migration you still carry 30% of the DNA of the person who lives 2000 years before you. Is it hilarious too?

Not to mention Western Anatolian Turks who are basically plotting as Islander Greek or Mainlander(Colonist) + Turkmen and have nothing to do with being Middle Easterner.


Next time know your place, and learn something before claim such things.

Listen here Mehmet, Greeks share 70% of the components with Lebanese. What do you expect Turks to be? 80% - 90%? It doesn't matter which part of Turkey they come from, they all are still related to Lebanese in the 70-90% range. I lol'd at this sheet explaining that you're different.

[Aileron]

guys come on lets make a truce lol, this became a shitfest indeed plus i like Falafel lol

[Kutlu]

Listen here Mehmet, Greeks share 70% of the components with Lebanese. What do you expect Turks to be? 80% - 90%? It doesn't matter which part of Turkey they come from, they all are still related to Lebanese in the 70-90% range. I lol'd at this sheet explaining that you're different.

Dude many nations around the med basin have a similar genetics but still different and that doesnt mean we would feel closer to Arabs such Lebanese and arent Levantine arabs closer to Saudis and other Arabians such as Yemenis in oracles?

[فاروق]

Dude many nations around the med basin have a similar genetics but still different and that doesnt mean we would feel closer to Arabs such Lebanese and arent Levantine arabs closer to Saudis and other Arabians such as Yemenis in oracles?

Where did you get this forum? I'm closer to TR GR, South Italians, North Italians and even Romanians (who are very far geographically) than to Bedouins. Bedouins are even considered more Northern shifted than Yemenis.


Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Samaritan 8.56
2 IQ 10.57
3 Mandean 10.63
4 Assyrian 11.37
5 Druze 14.04
6 Armenian 16.48
7 TR 17.99
8 GR 19.33
9 Kurdish 20.09
10 South_Italian_&_Sicilian 20.27
11 IR 21.84
12 Tuscan 32.01
13 AJ 32.22
14 GE 33.19
15 Algerian 34.04
16 North_Italian 36.46
17 RO 36.72
18 Lezgin 37.39
19 Moroccan 37.55
20 Bedouin 37.89

[Aileron]

Where did you get this forum? I'm closer to TR GR, South Italians, North Italians and even Romanians (who are very far geographically) than to Bedouins. Bedouins are even considered more Northern shifted than Yemenis.

He has point though, you posted this chart and Saudi is high in Oracle and Yemeni also presents so there is some relations with us but in the end you guys are closer to Jordanian, Palestinian and Syrians plus Saudis
Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 ENF 52.25
2 CHG 32.02
3 WHG 10
4 ASI 2.2
5 Sub-Saharan 1.91
6 Oceanian 1.63

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Lebanese 3.48
2 Cypriot 4.39
3 Palestinian 6.64
4 Assyrian 8.63
5 Jordanian 8.69
6 Syrian 8.97
7 Saudi 9.01
8 Sephardic_Jew 9.42
9 Iraqi_Jew 10.95
10 Armenian 13.82
11 Turkish_Trabzon 14.73
12 Ashkenazi_Jew 15.64
13 Turkish_Kayseri 15.74
14 Sicilian 17.62
15 Egyptian 17.73
16 Kurdish 17.85
17 Turkish_Aydin 19.37
18 Yemeni 20.36
19 Iranian 23.36
20 Greek 24.06

[Kyp]

Dude, if they get higher east asian, it also gets compensated for other components + they get a lot higher steppe(euro) admix than lebbos do and have a significantly smaller(or a lot less smaller) affinity to arabs than lebbos do(of course). So of course theyre far from levantines for those reasons(kurds arent).

I wouldnt even be suprised if turks turned as close to mainland greeks as to turkmen/uzbeks and lebanese

Both Kurds and Turks are not close to Levantines.

Distance to: Kurds
2.68700577 Kurd
5.75046955 Kurd_Kurmanji
6.61230671 Kurd_Sorani
12.79162617 Turk_Southeast
15.33340797 Turk_Central_East
16.71948863 Turk_South
17.11825049 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
17.81975308 Turk_Anatolia
17.86570737 Turk_Central_West
18.80705719 Turk_East_Black_Sea
20.15337689 Turk_West_BlackSea
20.59537812 Turk_Southwest
21.37007253 Lebanese
22.78339746 Turk_Northwest
23.20971133 Syrians

Distance to: Turk_Anatolia
1.21486625 Turk_Central_West
2.01442299 Turk_South
3.12878571 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
3.21474727 Turk_West_BlackSea
3.54321888 Turk_Central_East
3.57499650 Turk_Southwest
5.96440274 Turk_Southeast
6.29790441 Turk_Northwest
13.00685588 Kurd_Kurmanji
14.73749640 Kurd_Sorani
17.45942725 Lebanese
17.77502743 Kurd
17.81975308 Kurds
18.60137629 Turk_East_Black_Sea
20.60420588 Syrians

[فاروق]

He has point though, you posted this chart and Saudi is high in Oracle and Yemeni also presents so there is some relations with us but in the end you guys are closer to Jordanian, Palestinian and Syrians plus Saudis
Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 ENF 52.25
2 CHG 32.02
3 WHG 10
4 ASI 2.2
5 Sub-Saharan 1.91
6 Oceanian 1.63

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Lebanese 3.48
2 Cypriot 4.39
3 Palestinian 6.64
4 Assyrian 8.63
5 Jordanian 8.69
6 Syrian 8.97
7 Saudi 9.01
8 Sephardic_Jew 9.42
9 Iraqi_Jew 10.95
10 Armenian 13.82
11 Turkish_Trabzon 14.73
12 Ashkenazi_Jew 15.64
13 Turkish_Kayseri 15.74
14 Sicilian 17.62
15 Egyptian 17.73
16 Kurdish 17.85
17 Turkish_Aydin 19.37
18 Yemeni 20.36
19 Iranian 23.36
20 Greek 24.06

It says that I'm closer to Cypriots than other Levantines, that sums it all up.

[Nomansman]

He has point though, you posted this chart and Saudi is high in Oracle and Yemeni also presents so there is some relations with us but in the end you guys are closer to Jordanian, Palestinian and Syrians plus Saudis
Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 ENF 52.25
2 CHG 32.02
3 WHG 10
4 ASI 2.2
5 Sub-Saharan 1.91
6 Oceanian 1.63

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Lebanese 3.48
2 Cypriot 4.39
3 Palestinian 6.64
4 Assyrian 8.63
5 Jordanian 8.69
6 Syrian 8.97
7 Saudi 9.01
8 Sephardic_Jew 9.42
9 Iraqi_Jew 10.95
10 Armenian 13.82
11 Turkish_Trabzon 14.73
12 Ashkenazi_Jew 15.64
13 Turkish_Kayseri 15.74
14 Sicilian 17.62
15 Egyptian 17.73
16 Kurdish 17.85
17 Turkish_Aydin 19.37
18 Yemeni 20.36
19 Iranian 23.36
20 Greek 24.06

The thing is though that saudis can range genetically. I been looking through many Iraqi samples + seen some Saudi samples as well. Some arabians(ksa) just look like Iraqi arabs and even a mix between both Iraqi Arab and Iraqi kurd(def iraq Arab though, maybe exaggerating with being semi Kurds) while other Arabian samples just look like what you expect Arabians to be like. I wouldn't imagine lebs to be closer to Arabians tbh than italians . The reference seem more likean Iraqi sample. Anyway, the leb guys results show him as being as close to balkans as to beduins

[Aileron]

It says that I'm closer to Cypriots than other Levantines, that sums it all up.

Yeah but it also indicates all Arabs are in the region including Saudis are closely related

[فاروق]

Yeah but it also indicates all Arabs are in the region including Saudis are closely related

Yes but if we used that same oracle with a Turkish kit it shows Turks as being as related to Saudis as Lebanese are.

[Aileron]

Yes but if we used that same oracle with a Turkish kit it shows Turks as being as related to Saudis as Lebanese are.

Well i have never seen Saudi or Yemeni pop up in Turkish orecles(even from very southeast)

[Kyp]

Yes but if we used that same oracle with a Turkish kit it shows Turks as being as related to Saudis as Lebanese are.


Well i have never seen Saudi or Yemeni pop up in Turkish orecles(even from very southeast)

Distance to: Saudis
45.43529685 Syrians
50.47644302 Lebanese
59.17035660 Kurd_Sorani
60.01467487 Turk_Southeast
61.46918740 Kurd_Kurmanji
61.90707552 Turk_South
61.91805068 Turk_Central_West
62.02987103 Azerbaijani
62.25767583 Azerbaijani_Iran
62.30723152 Turk_Central_East
62.50458943 Turk_Anatolia
62.92533115 Kurd
62.95375843 Turk_Southwest
63.08908701 Turk_West_BlackSea
63.17327995 Kurds
63.40898201 Turk_Central_Black_Sea
63.52783563 Turk_Northwest
67.65986181 Turk_East_Black_Sea
68.96545005 Azerbaijani_Dagestan

[فاروق]

Well i have never seen Saudi or Yemeni pop up in Turkish orecles(even from very southeast)

In this oracle particularly they used some Saudis from the north who are genetically North West Asian similar to Iraqis and Iranians so they definitely are gonna pop out to Turks.

[Nomansman]

In this oracle particularly they used some Saudis from the north who are genetically North West Asian similar to Iraqis and Iranians so they definitely are gonna pop out to Turks.

They probably arent gonna show up, since those saudi references could been arabian shifted version of lebbos and i dont imagine turks even get lebbos(even west iranians are not close to lebbos, as theyre slightly closer to lebbos only as whole than theyre to pashtuns like me)

[Aileron]

In this oracle particularly they used some Saudis from the north who are genetically North West Asian similar to Iraqis and Iranians so they definitely are gonna pop out to Turks.

Ehh i think you are reaching my friend...
As a Turk i dönt deny our genetic relations with people from south but this thread turned into a troll fest...

[Thracian]

Listen here Mehmet, Greeks share 70% of the components with Lebanese. What do you expect Turks to be? 80% - 90%? It doesn't matter which part of Turkey they come from, they all are still related to Lebanese in the 70-90% range. I lol'd at this sheet explaining that you're different.

Post your PuntDNAL k15, Euorgenes K13 and Eurogenes K15 with oracles.

[Aileron]

Post your PuntDNAL k15, Euorgenes K13 and Eurogenes K15 with oracles.

My Balkan Turk big brother got in the game:)

[MustafaTekin]

I think the majority of lebanese people can pass in sicily, malta, andalusia, crete,..

my answer is lebanon.

[Nomansman]

These are distances of all mainland turks avg + lebos to prove/disprove some of the statements in the thread:





Distance to: Lebanese_Christian
0.01643483 Lebanese_Druze
0.02503919 Lebanese_Muslim
0.04902868 Greek_Central_Anatolia
0.05339490 Greek_Kos
0.05983028 Greek_Crete
0.06639777 Italian_Calabria
0.06929048 Italian_Campania
0.06942246 BedouinA
0.07407813 Italian_Basilicata
0.07470310 Turkish_Kayseri
0.07667120 Italian_Apulia
0.07943182 Turkish_Adana
0.08138817 Greek_Izmir
0.08198618 Italian_Abruzzo
0.08441969 Italian_Molise
0.08977650 Italian_Lazio
0.08988029 Greek_Peloponnese
0.09520684 Italian_Marche
0.09628779 Italian_Umbria
0.10425774 Greek_Thessaly
0.10630710 Italian_Tuscany
0.10800733 Greek_Central_Macedonia
0.10875357 Turkish_Aydin
0.11029161 Saudi
0.11053151 Turkish_Northwest
0.11122788 Turkish_Southwest
0.11153065 BedouinB
0.11508401 Turkish_North
0.11515049 French_Corsica
0.11515159 Turkish_Balikesir
0.11646411 Italian_Piedmont
0.11975667 Turkish_South
0.12348708 Italian_Liguria
0.12542544 Greek_Thrace
0.12586727 Italian_Lombardy
0.12936662 Italian_Bergamo
0.13077881 Bulgarian
0.13095723 Italian_Veneto
0.13626734 Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige
0.13722160 Spanish_Extremadura
0.13866107 Italian_Northeast
0.13922337 Spanish_Eivissa
0.14413432 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha
0.14577993 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon
0.14705110 Italian_Aosta_Valley
0.15115084 Spanish_Castello
0.15213241 Spanish_Catalunya_Central
0.15220113 Spanish_Cataluna
0.15500807 Spanish_Cantabria
0.15842833 French_Auvergne
0.16423784 French_Alsace
0.16765104 French_Nord
0.17058443 Belgian
0.17243358 Austrian
0.18503694 French_Brittany
0.22115267 Belarusian
0.23445016 Finnish
0.24533878 Finnish_East







Distance to: Lebanese_Druze
0.01451389 Lebanese_Muslim
0.01643483 Lebanese_Christian
0.04348685 Greek_Central_Anatolia
0.05082785 Greek_Kos
0.05626630 Greek_Crete
0.06292799 Turkish_Kayseri
0.06408705 Italian_Calabria
0.06745029 Italian_Campania
0.06767574 Turkish_Adana
0.06847494 BedouinA
0.07189083 Italian_Basilicata
0.07445218 Italian_Apulia
0.07825707 Greek_Izmir
0.07964934 Italian_Abruzzo
0.08177723 Italian_Molise
0.08713783 Greek_Peloponnese
0.08879423 Italian_Lazio
0.09295217 Italian_Marche
0.09388645 Italian_Umbria
0.09900465 Turkish_Aydin
0.10035608 Turkish_Northwest
0.10044113 Greek_Thessaly
0.10144678 Turkish_Southwest
0.10393561 Italian_Tuscany
0.10420064 Greek_Central_Macedonia
0.10460689 Turkish_North
0.10523809 Turkish_Balikesir
0.10938650 Turkish_South
0.11386398 Italian_Piedmont
0.11456337 French_Corsica
0.11723137 Saudi
0.11825675 BedouinB
0.12015730 Italian_Liguria
0.12029534 Greek_Thrace
0.12377513 Italian_Lombardy
0.12589112 Bulgarian
0.12744342 Italian_Bergamo
0.12836623 Italian_Veneto
0.13368040 Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige
0.13506686 Spanish_Extremadura
0.13520203 Italian_Northeast
0.13708958 Spanish_Eivissa
0.14243811 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha
0.14299789 Italian_Aosta_Valley
0.14338796 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon
0.14952656 Spanish_Castello
0.15012719 Spanish_Cataluna
0.15024649 Spanish_Catalunya_Central
0.15319221 Spanish_Cantabria
0.15524832 French_Auvergne
0.15982821 French_Alsace
0.16323546 French_Nord
0.16583361 Belgian
0.16732573 Austrian
0.18009764 French_Brittany
0.21490830 Belarusian
0.22774641 Finnish
0.23837544 Finnish_East






Distance to: Turkish_Adana
0.01350359 Turkish_Kayseri
0.03994909 Turkish_Northwest
0.04107571 Turkish_Aydin
0.04231131 Turkish_Southwest
0.04262429 Turkish_North
0.04629678 Turkish_Balikesir
0.04842488 Turkish_South
0.06322805 Greek_Central_Anatolia
0.06370809 Lebanese_Muslim
0.06767574 Lebanese_Druze
0.07102452 Greek_Crete
0.07125415 Greek_Kos
0.07943182 Lebanese_Christian
0.07972728 Italian_Calabria
0.08130042 Greek_Izmir
0.08184276 Italian_Basilicata
0.08203226 Italian_Campania
0.08477652 Italian_Apulia
0.08587805 Italian_Molise
0.08679338 Italian_Abruzzo
0.08770906 Greek_Peloponnese
0.09551302 Italian_Umbria
0.09555007 Italian_Marche
0.09562009 Greek_Thessaly
0.09690230 Greek_Central_Macedonia
0.09701762 Italian_Lazio
0.10349484 Italian_Tuscany
0.10568786 Greek_Thrace
0.10773375 Bulgarian
0.10962021 Italian_Piedmont
0.10977844 BedouinA
0.11438849 Italian_Liguria
0.11758116 French_Corsica
0.11963137 Italian_Lombardy
0.12136574 Italian_Veneto
0.12334835 Italian_Northeast
0.12347878 Italian_Bergamo
0.12534406 Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige
0.12930062 Italian_Aosta_Valley
0.13162392 Spanish_Eivissa
0.13264448 Spanish_Extremadura
0.13761717 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon
0.13802422 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha
0.14211069 French_Alsace
0.14284798 Spanish_Castello
0.14302897 French_Auvergne
0.14303042 Spanish_Cataluna
0.14346029 Spanish_Catalunya_Central
0.14475019 Austrian
0.14526256 French_Nord
0.14610063 Spanish_Cantabria
0.14624094 Belgian
0.15886002 French_Brittany
0.16407991 Saudi
0.16594914 BedouinB
0.18584143 Belarusian
0.19082092 Finnish
0.19840464 Finnish_East






Distance to: Turkish_Aydin
0.01366012 Turkish_Northwest
0.01535571 Turkish_Southwest
0.01814768 Turkish_Balikesir
0.02000928 Turkish_North
0.02337996 Turkish_South
0.04107571 Turkish_Adana
0.04526797 Turkish_Kayseri
0.09315433 Lebanese_Muslim
0.09367030 Greek_Crete
0.09394217 Greek_Central_Anatolia
0.09536029 Greek_Kos
0.09676510 Greek_Izmir
0.09849263 Italian_Calabria
0.09894210 Italian_Basilicata
0.09900465 Lebanese_Druze
0.10031916 Greek_Peloponnese
0.10045890 Italian_Campania
0.10100470 Italian_Molise
0.10138686 Italian_Apulia
0.10277394 Italian_Abruzzo
0.10506694 Greek_Central_Macedonia
0.10543463 Greek_Thessaly
0.10758598 Italian_Umbria
0.10765988 Italian_Marche
0.10875357 Lebanese_Christian
0.11037036 Greek_Thrace
0.11074631 Bulgarian
0.11088646 Italian_Lazio
0.11336206 Italian_Tuscany
0.11714634 Italian_Piedmont
0.11973315 Italian_Liguria
0.12525131 Italian_Lombardy
0.12561207 French_Corsica
0.12580974 Italian_Northeast
0.12638145 Italian_Veneto
0.12853031 Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige
0.12889140 Italian_Bergamo
0.12907067 BedouinA
0.13181309 Italian_Aosta_Valley
0.13452654 Spanish_Eivissa
0.13672349 Spanish_Extremadura
0.13908590 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon
0.14062380 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha
0.14118353 French_Alsace
0.14197406 Austrian
0.14340581 French_Auvergne
0.14369175 Spanish_Cataluna
0.14413835 Spanish_Castello
0.14428245 French_Nord
0.14475094 Belgian
0.14536528 Spanish_Catalunya_Central
0.14747066 Spanish_Cantabria
0.15657965 French_Brittany
0.17699126 Finnish
0.17851306 Belarusian
0.18170549 Saudi
0.18182145 Finnish_East
0.18313682 BedouinB

[Aileron]

These are distances of all mainland turks avg + lebos to prove/disprove some of the statements in the thread:
How about Turks from Bulgaria?




Distance to: Lebanese_Christian
0.01643483 Lebanese_Druze
0.02503919 Lebanese_Muslim
0.04902868 Greek_Central_Anatolia
0.05339490 Greek_Kos
0.05983028 Greek_Crete
0.06639777 Italian_Calabria
0.06929048 Italian_Campania
0.06942246 BedouinA
0.07407813 Italian_Basilicata
0.07470310 Turkish_Kayseri
0.07667120 Italian_Apulia
0.07943182 Turkish_Adana
0.08138817 Greek_Izmir
0.08198618 Italian_Abruzzo
0.08441969 Italian_Molise
0.08977650 Italian_Lazio
0.08988029 Greek_Peloponnese
0.09520684 Italian_Marche
0.09628779 Italian_Umbria
0.10425774 Greek_Thessaly
0.10630710 Italian_Tuscany
0.10800733 Greek_Central_Macedonia
0.10875357 Turkish_Aydin
0.11029161 Saudi
0.11053151 Turkish_Northwest
0.11122788 Turkish_Southwest
0.11153065 BedouinB
0.11508401 Turkish_North
0.11515049 French_Corsica
0.11515159 Turkish_Balikesir
0.11646411 Italian_Piedmont
0.11975667 Turkish_South
0.12348708 Italian_Liguria
0.12542544 Greek_Thrace
0.12586727 Italian_Lombardy
0.12936662 Italian_Bergamo
0.13077881 Bulgarian
0.13095723 Italian_Veneto
0.13626734 Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige
0.13722160 Spanish_Extremadura
0.13866107 Italian_Northeast
0.13922337 Spanish_Eivissa
0.14413432 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha
0.14577993 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon
0.14705110 Italian_Aosta_Valley
0.15115084 Spanish_Castello
0.15213241 Spanish_Catalunya_Central
0.15220113 Spanish_Cataluna
0.15500807 Spanish_Cantabria
0.15842833 French_Auvergne
0.16423784 French_Alsace
0.16765104 French_Nord
0.17058443 Belgian
0.17243358 Austrian
0.18503694 French_Brittany
0.22115267 Belarusian
0.23445016 Finnish
0.24533878 Finnish_East







Distance to: Lebanese_Druze
0.01451389 Lebanese_Muslim
0.01643483 Lebanese_Christian
0.04348685 Greek_Central_Anatolia
0.05082785 Greek_Kos
0.05626630 Greek_Crete
0.06292799 Turkish_Kayseri
0.06408705 Italian_Calabria
0.06745029 Italian_Campania
0.06767574 Turkish_Adana
0.06847494 BedouinA
0.07189083 Italian_Basilicata
0.07445218 Italian_Apulia
0.07825707 Greek_Izmir
0.07964934 Italian_Abruzzo
0.08177723 Italian_Molise
0.08713783 Greek_Peloponnese
0.08879423 Italian_Lazio
0.09295217 Italian_Marche
0.09388645 Italian_Umbria
0.09900465 Turkish_Aydin
0.10035608 Turkish_Northwest
0.10044113 Greek_Thessaly
0.10144678 Turkish_Southwest
0.10393561 Italian_Tuscany
0.10420064 Greek_Central_Macedonia
0.10460689 Turkish_North
0.10523809 Turkish_Balikesir
0.10938650 Turkish_South
0.11386398 Italian_Piedmont
0.11456337 French_Corsica
0.11723137 Saudi
0.11825675 BedouinB
0.12015730 Italian_Liguria
0.12029534 Greek_Thrace
0.12377513 Italian_Lombardy
0.12589112 Bulgarian
0.12744342 Italian_Bergamo
0.12836623 Italian_Veneto
0.13368040 Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige
0.13506686 Spanish_Extremadura
0.13520203 Italian_Northeast
0.13708958 Spanish_Eivissa
0.14243811 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha
0.14299789 Italian_Aosta_Valley
0.14338796 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon
0.14952656 Spanish_Castello
0.15012719 Spanish_Cataluna
0.15024649 Spanish_Catalunya_Central
0.15319221 Spanish_Cantabria
0.15524832 French_Auvergne
0.15982821 French_Alsace
0.16323546 French_Nord
0.16583361 Belgian
0.16732573 Austrian
0.18009764 French_Brittany
0.21490830 Belarusian
0.22774641 Finnish
0.23837544 Finnish_East






Distance to: Turkish_Adana
0.01350359 Turkish_Kayseri
0.03994909 Turkish_Northwest
0.04107571 Turkish_Aydin
0.04231131 Turkish_Southwest
0.04262429 Turkish_North
0.04629678 Turkish_Balikesir
0.04842488 Turkish_South
0.06322805 Greek_Central_Anatolia
0.06370809 Lebanese_Muslim
0.06767574 Lebanese_Druze
0.07102452 Greek_Crete
0.07125415 Greek_Kos
0.07943182 Lebanese_Christian
0.07972728 Italian_Calabria
0.08130042 Greek_Izmir
0.08184276 Italian_Basilicata
0.08203226 Italian_Campania
0.08477652 Italian_Apulia
0.08587805 Italian_Molise
0.08679338 Italian_Abruzzo
0.08770906 Greek_Peloponnese
0.09551302 Italian_Umbria
0.09555007 Italian_Marche
0.09562009 Greek_Thessaly
0.09690230 Greek_Central_Macedonia
0.09701762 Italian_Lazio
0.10349484 Italian_Tuscany
0.10568786 Greek_Thrace
0.10773375 Bulgarian
0.10962021 Italian_Piedmont
0.10977844 BedouinA
0.11438849 Italian_Liguria
0.11758116 French_Corsica
0.11963137 Italian_Lombardy
0.12136574 Italian_Veneto
0.12334835 Italian_Northeast
0.12347878 Italian_Bergamo
0.12534406 Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige
0.12930062 Italian_Aosta_Valley
0.13162392 Spanish_Eivissa
0.13264448 Spanish_Extremadura
0.13761717 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon
0.13802422 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha
0.14211069 French_Alsace
0.14284798 Spanish_Castello
0.14302897 French_Auvergne
0.14303042 Spanish_Cataluna
0.14346029 Spanish_Catalunya_Central
0.14475019 Austrian
0.14526256 French_Nord
0.14610063 Spanish_Cantabria
0.14624094 Belgian
0.15886002 French_Brittany
0.16407991 Saudi
0.16594914 BedouinB
0.18584143 Belarusian
0.19082092 Finnish
0.19840464 Finnish_East






Distance to: Turkish_Aydin
0.01366012 Turkish_Northwest
0.01535571 Turkish_Southwest
0.01814768 Turkish_Balikesir
0.02000928 Turkish_North
0.02337996 Turkish_South
0.04107571 Turkish_Adana
0.04526797 Turkish_Kayseri
0.09315433 Lebanese_Muslim
0.09367030 Greek_Crete
0.09394217 Greek_Central_Anatolia
0.09536029 Greek_Kos
0.09676510 Greek_Izmir
0.09849263 Italian_Calabria
0.09894210 Italian_Basilicata
0.09900465 Lebanese_Druze
0.10031916 Greek_Peloponnese
0.10045890 Italian_Campania
0.10100470 Italian_Molise
0.10138686 Italian_Apulia
0.10277394 Italian_Abruzzo
0.10506694 Greek_Central_Macedonia
0.10543463 Greek_Thessaly
0.10758598 Italian_Umbria
0.10765988 Italian_Marche
0.10875357 Lebanese_Christian
0.11037036 Greek_Thrace
0.11074631 Bulgarian
0.11088646 Italian_Lazio
0.11336206 Italian_Tuscany
0.11714634 Italian_Piedmont
0.11973315 Italian_Liguria
0.12525131 Italian_Lombardy
0.12561207 French_Corsica
0.12580974 Italian_Northeast
0.12638145 Italian_Veneto
0.12853031 Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige
0.12889140 Italian_Bergamo
0.12907067 BedouinA
0.13181309 Italian_Aosta_Valley
0.13452654 Spanish_Eivissa
0.13672349 Spanish_Extremadura
0.13908590 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon
0.14062380 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha
0.14118353 French_Alsace
0.14197406 Austrian
0.14340581 French_Auvergne
0.14369175 Spanish_Cataluna
0.14413835 Spanish_Castello
0.14428245 French_Nord
0.14475094 Belgian
0.14536528 Spanish_Catalunya_Central
0.14747066 Spanish_Cantabria
0.15657965 French_Brittany
0.17699126 Finnish
0.17851306 Belarusian
0.18170549 Saudi
0.18182145 Finnish_East
0.18313682 BedouinB

How about Turks from Bulgaria ?

[Nomansman]

More incoming:



Distance to: Turkish_Balikesir
0.01586123 Turkish_Northwest
0.01814768 Turkish_Aydin
0.02106420 Turkish_Southwest
0.02369615 Turkish_North
0.02645227 Turkish_South
0.04629678 Turkish_Adana
0.05122593 Turkish_Kayseri
0.09552901 Greek_Crete
0.09679542 Greek_Izmir
0.09841926 Greek_Kos
0.09844926 Greek_Central_Anatolia
0.09907694 Italian_Basilicata
0.09979062 Italian_Calabria
0.09979698 Italian_Molise
0.09994244 Greek_Peloponnese
0.10008634 Lebanese_Muslim
0.10069603 Italian_Campania
0.10112020 Italian_Apulia
0.10163462 Italian_Abruzzo
0.10257920 Greek_Thessaly
0.10306446 Greek_Central_Macedonia
0.10523809 Lebanese_Druze
0.10526604 Italian_Umbria
0.10534306 Italian_Marche
0.10607553 Greek_Thrace
0.10635658 Bulgarian
0.10934169 Italian_Lazio
0.11012455 Italian_Tuscany
0.11280218 Italian_Piedmont
0.11501724 Italian_Liguria
0.11515159 Lebanese_Christian
0.12004426 Italian_Lombardy
0.12066451 Italian_Northeast
0.12153946 Italian_Veneto
0.12231796 French_Corsica
0.12311938 Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige
0.12422801 Italian_Bergamo
0.12548301 Italian_Aosta_Valley
0.12874842 Spanish_Eivissa
0.13181473 Spanish_Extremadura
0.13289951 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon
0.13392741 French_Alsace
0.13464595 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha
0.13497673 Austrian
0.13631681 BedouinA
0.13661126 French_Auvergne
0.13669372 French_Nord
0.13688590 Belgian
0.13801690 Spanish_Cataluna
0.13838119 Spanish_Castello
0.13953240 Spanish_Catalunya_Central
0.14113240 Spanish_Cantabria
0.14812921 French_Brittany
0.16836717 Finnish
0.17187503 Belarusian
0.17339434 Finnish_East
0.18847896 Saudi
0.19006328 BedouinB






Distance to: Turkish_Central
0.01469643 Turkish_Adana
0.01661491 Turkish_Kayseri
0.03119369 Turkish_Northwest
0.03150698 Turkish_Aydin
0.03224074 Turkish_North
0.03465006 Turkish_Southwest
0.03784462 Turkish_Balikesir
0.03990830 Turkish_South
0.06864529 Greek_Central_Anatolia
0.07070788 Lebanese_Muslim
0.07471037 Lebanese_Druze
0.07541396 Greek_Crete
0.07588134 Greek_Kos
0.08312619 Italian_Calabria
0.08408382 Greek_Izmir
0.08502647 Italian_Basilicata
0.08551352 Italian_Campania
0.08607423 Lebanese_Christian
0.08765578 Italian_Apulia
0.08859303 Italian_Molise
0.08987333 Greek_Peloponnese
0.08988647 Italian_Abruzzo
0.09730369 Greek_Thessaly
0.09760356 Italian_Marche
0.09777071 Italian_Umbria
0.09852371 Greek_Central_Macedonia
0.09971286 Italian_Lazio
0.10523522 Italian_Tuscany
0.10593484 Greek_Thrace
0.10873812 Bulgarian
0.11093968 Italian_Piedmont
0.11497994 BedouinA
0.11509989 Italian_Liguria
0.11903646 French_Corsica
0.12025530 Italian_Lombardy
0.12240465 Italian_Veneto
0.12388349 Italian_Northeast
0.12436111 Italian_Bergamo
0.12592405 Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige
0.12990019 Italian_Aosta_Valley
0.13252623 Spanish_Eivissa
0.13419055 Spanish_Extremadura
0.13828186 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon
0.13882971 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha
0.14220149 French_Alsace
0.14330112 French_Auvergne
0.14348148 Spanish_Castello
0.14355309 Spanish_Cataluna
0.14413907 Spanish_Catalunya_Central
0.14492988 Austrian
0.14540488 French_Nord
0.14622474 Belgian
0.14671177 Spanish_Cantabria
0.15877675 French_Brittany
0.16864371 Saudi
0.17056347 BedouinB
0.18562081 Belarusian
0.18883118 Finnish
0.19593309 Finnish_East







Distance to: Turkish_Kayseri
0.01350359 Turkish_Adana
0.04509799 Turkish_Northwest
0.04526797 Turkish_Aydin
0.04655832 Turkish_North
0.04825761 Turkish_Southwest
0.05122593 Turkish_Balikesir
0.05422045 Turkish_South
0.05555826 Greek_Central_Anatolia
0.06033560 Lebanese_Muslim
0.06292799 Lebanese_Druze
0.06554898 Greek_Kos
0.06601754 Greek_Crete
0.07470310 Lebanese_Christian
0.07561929 Italian_Calabria
0.07772017 Greek_Izmir
0.07800838 Italian_Campania
0.07825728 Italian_Basilicata
0.08075039 Italian_Apulia
0.08277973 Italian_Molise
0.08352641 Italian_Abruzzo
0.08428617 Greek_Peloponnese
0.09260392 Italian_Marche
0.09283668 Italian_Umbria
0.09297766 Greek_Thessaly
0.09373895 Italian_Lazio
0.09499138 Greek_Central_Macedonia
0.10126814 Italian_Tuscany
0.10399569 Greek_Thrace
0.10764090 Bulgarian
0.10779629 Italian_Piedmont
0.10950588 BedouinA
0.11269732 Italian_Liguria
0.11535453 French_Corsica
0.11770672 Italian_Lombardy
0.11999417 Italian_Veneto
0.12169255 Italian_Bergamo
0.12255380 Italian_Northeast
0.12415327 Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige
0.12877589 Italian_Aosta_Valley
0.13104803 Spanish_Eivissa
0.13267735 Spanish_Extremadura
0.13756456 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha
0.13762366 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon
0.14243575 French_Alsace
0.14257389 Spanish_Castello
0.14285028 Spanish_Cataluna
0.14290308 Spanish_Catalunya_Central
0.14295934 French_Auvergne
0.14580478 French_Nord
0.14581650 Austrian
0.14604601 Spanish_Cantabria
0.14704399 Belgian
0.15999447 French_Brittany
0.16240798 Saudi
0.16432999 BedouinB
0.18809460 Belarusian
0.19440914 Finnish
0.20267265 Finnish_East






Distance to: Turkish_North
0.02000928 Turkish_Aydin
0.02068560 Turkish_South
0.02141326 Turkish_Northwest
0.02326755 Turkish_Southwest
0.02369615 Turkish_Balikesir
0.04262429 Turkish_Adana
0.04655832 Turkish_Kayseri
0.09751066 Greek_Central_Anatolia
0.09982703 Lebanese_Muslim
0.10110328 Greek_Crete
0.10281245 Greek_Kos
0.10460689 Lebanese_Druze
0.10553116 Greek_Izmir
0.10752874 Italian_Calabria
0.10797487 Italian_Basilicata
0.10916304 Greek_Peloponnese
0.10941605 Italian_Campania
0.10975207 Italian_Molise
0.11022780 Italian_Apulia
0.11179545 Italian_Abruzzo
0.11424664 Greek_Thessaly
0.11443012 Greek_Central_Macedonia
0.11508401 Lebanese_Christian
0.11697766 Italian_Marche
0.11705869 Italian_Umbria
0.11738570 Greek_Thrace
0.11961680 Bulgarian
0.12051151 Italian_Lazio
0.12299407 Italian_Tuscany
0.12659857 Italian_Piedmont
0.12931806 Italian_Liguria
0.13440204 Italian_Lombardy
0.13555478 Italian_Northeast
0.13584651 French_Corsica
0.13606534 Italian_Veneto
0.13830636 BedouinA
0.13832945 Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige
0.13862708 Italian_Bergamo
0.14089742 Italian_Aosta_Valley
0.14540477 Spanish_Eivissa
0.14852323 Spanish_Extremadura
0.15020501 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon
0.15062224 French_Alsace
0.15108880 Austrian
0.15159622 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha
0.15344697 French_Auvergne
0.15361704 French_Nord
0.15378018 Belgian
0.15524809 Spanish_Castello
0.15527208 Spanish_Cataluna
0.15608558 Spanish_Catalunya_Central
0.15807443 Spanish_Cantabria
0.16514210 French_Brittany
0.18429720 Finnish
0.18608230 Belarusian
0.18892867 Finnish_East
0.18990763 Saudi
0.19201892 BedouinB







Distance to: Turkish_Northwest
0.01366012 Turkish_Aydin
0.01429300 Turkish_Southwest
0.01586123 Turkish_Balikesir
0.02141326 Turkish_North
0.02318909 Turkish_South
0.03994909 Turkish_Adana
0.04509799 Turkish_Kayseri
0.09186927 Greek_Crete
0.09254941 Greek_Central_Anatolia
0.09314518 Greek_Izmir
0.09355913 Greek_Kos
0.09517889 Lebanese_Muslim
0.09609517 Italian_Basilicata
0.09644936 Italian_Calabria
0.09647572 Greek_Peloponnese
0.09749512 Italian_Molise
0.09795247 Italian_Campania
0.09871107 Italian_Apulia
0.09942060 Italian_Abruzzo
0.10035608 Lebanese_Druze
0.10047711 Greek_Central_Macedonia
0.10127220 Greek_Thessaly
0.10332801 Italian_Umbria
0.10394611 Italian_Marche
0.10503360 Bulgarian
0.10707486 Greek_Thrace
0.10771659 Italian_Lazio
0.10893717 Italian_Tuscany
0.11053151 Lebanese_Christian
0.11245761 Italian_Piedmont
0.11555546 Italian_Liguria
0.12044159 Italian_Northeast
0.12106443 Italian_Lombardy
0.12133177 Italian_Veneto
0.12173234 French_Corsica
0.12365468 Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige
0.12450149 Italian_Bergamo
0.12587295 Italian_Aosta_Valley
0.13002486 Spanish_Eivissa
0.13237897 Spanish_Extremadura
0.13289501 BedouinA
0.13484716 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon
0.13534840 French_Alsace
0.13579890 Austrian
0.13631502 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha
0.13783745 French_Auvergne
0.13821864 French_Nord
0.13846732 Belgian
0.13926901 Spanish_Cataluna
0.13932133 Spanish_Castello
0.14036608 Spanish_Catalunya_Central
0.14267048 Spanish_Cantabria
0.14998814 French_Brittany
0.17126235 Finnish
0.17281907 Belarusian
0.17634608 Finnish_East
0.18568622 Saudi
0.18720678 BedouinB






Distance to: Turkish_South
0.01793743 Turkish_Southwest
0.02068560 Turkish_North
0.02318909 Turkish_Northwest
0.02337996 Turkish_Aydin
0.02645227 Turkish_Balikesir
0.04842488 Turkish_Adana
0.05422045 Turkish_Kayseri
0.10382588 Lebanese_Muslim
0.10562382 Greek_Central_Anatolia
0.10938650 Lebanese_Druze
0.10953131 Greek_Crete
0.11008141 Greek_Kos
0.11284114 Greek_Izmir
0.11425998 Italian_Calabria
0.11485879 Italian_Basilicata
0.11616296 Italian_Campania
0.11653426 Italian_Molise
0.11664388 Greek_Peloponnese
0.11780157 Italian_Apulia
0.11856644 Italian_Abruzzo
0.11975667 Lebanese_Christian
0.12145980 Greek_Central_Macedonia
0.12198411 Greek_Thessaly
0.12293658 Italian_Umbria
0.12368761 Italian_Marche
0.12595234 Bulgarian
0.12666726 Italian_Lazio
0.12775350 Greek_Thrace
0.12887362 Italian_Tuscany
0.13250073 Italian_Piedmont
0.13578086 Italian_Liguria
0.13737720 BedouinA
0.14065635 Italian_Northeast
0.14096828 Italian_Lombardy
0.14150560 Italian_Veneto
0.14156360 French_Corsica
0.14390390 Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige
0.14436590 Italian_Bergamo
0.14565162 Italian_Aosta_Valley
0.14934330 Spanish_Eivissa
0.15142404 Spanish_Extremadura
0.15380889 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon
0.15403068 French_Alsace
0.15449302 Austrian
0.15542687 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha
0.15638291 Belgian
0.15666409 French_Nord
0.15704414 French_Auvergne
0.15818573 Spanish_Castello
0.15840050 Spanish_Cataluna
0.15969626 Spanish_Catalunya_Central
0.16145857 Spanish_Cantabria
0.16720507 French_Brittany
0.18464184 Finnish
0.18805201 Finnish_East
0.18848793 Saudi
0.18948281 Belarusian
0.19042005 BedouinB






istance to: Turkish_Southwest
0.01429300 Turkish_Northwest
0.01535571 Turkish_Aydin
0.01793743 Turkish_South
0.02106420 Turkish_Balikesir
0.02326755 Turkish_North
0.04231131 Turkish_Adana
0.04825761 Turkish_Kayseri
0.09594745 Lebanese_Muslim
0.09653864 Greek_Central_Anatolia
0.09767041 Greek_Crete
0.09811377 Greek_Kos
0.09967579 Greek_Izmir
0.10144678 Lebanese_Druze
0.10169940 Italian_Calabria
0.10215867 Italian_Basilicata
0.10301040 Greek_Peloponnese
0.10363400 Italian_Campania
0.10414844 Italian_Molise
0.10520118 Italian_Apulia
0.10585911 Italian_Abruzzo
0.10816507 Greek_Central_Macedonia
0.10907328 Greek_Thessaly
0.10988829 Italian_Umbria
0.11108514 Italian_Marche
0.11122788 Lebanese_Christian
0.11347846 Bulgarian
0.11379438 Italian_Lazio
0.11595667 Italian_Tuscany
0.11598841 Greek_Thrace
0.11989320 Italian_Piedmont
0.12379928 Italian_Liguria
0.12815146 French_Corsica
0.12833843 Italian_Northeast
0.12874635 Italian_Veneto
0.12886051 Italian_Lombardy
0.13130648 Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige
0.13139904 BedouinA
0.13184634 Italian_Bergamo
0.13411070 Italian_Aosta_Valley
0.13692494 Spanish_Eivissa
0.13864188 Spanish_Extremadura
0.14163267 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon
0.14306448 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha
0.14332187 French_Alsace
0.14389066 Austrian
0.14535225 French_Auvergne
0.14565689 Spanish_Castello
0.14591458 Spanish_Cataluna
0.14610914 French_Nord
0.14626356 Belgian
0.14722509 Spanish_Catalunya_Central
0.14932259 Spanish_Cantabria
0.15774796 French_Brittany
0.17851763 Finnish
0.18100616 Belarusian
0.18303027 Finnish_East
0.18356162 Saudi
0.18517427 BedouinB






Seems like turks are equallt as close to southern and eastern greeks as to lebbos. That definetly seems more euro to me.

[فاروق]

Post your PuntDNAL k15, Euorgenes K13 and Eurogenes K15 with oracles.


Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 44.03
2 West_Asian 21.84
3 West_Med 16.76
4 Red_Sea 9.86
5 Northeast_African 2.7
6 North_Atlantic 2.26
7 South_Asian 1.3
8 Baltic 1.25

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Lebanese_Christian 4.67
2 Samaritan 5.06
3 Lebanese_Muslim 5.41
4 Cyprian 6.09
5 Lebanese_Druze 7.67
6 Syrian 7.79
7 Jordanian 9.68
8 Palestinian 9.79
9 Kurdish_Jewish 10.29
10 Iranian_Jewish 11.04
11 Assyrian 11.83
12 Tunisian_Jewish 12.79
13 Libyan_Jewish 13.26
14 Turkish 15.42
15 Georgian_Jewish 15.45
16 Sephardic_Jewish 15.56
17 Algerian_Jewish 16.06
18 Italian_Jewish 16.52
19 Armenian 17.85
20 Kurdish 17.89

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 80.6% Samaritan + 19.4% Armenian @ 2.73
2 59.5% Lebanese_Christian + 40.5% Cyprian @ 2.93
3 73.7% Samaritan + 26.3% Assyrian @ 2.99
4 89.6% Samaritan + 10.4% Abhkasian @ 3.01
5 55.9% Lebanese_Christian + 44.1% Lebanese_Muslim @ 3.06
6 89.3% Samaritan + 10.7% Georgian @ 3.08
7 79.4% Samaritan + 20.6% Georgian_Jewish @ 3.2
8 90% Samaritan + 10% Adygei @ 3.21
9 90.2% Samaritan + 9.8% Balkar @ 3.25
10 90.7% Samaritan + 9.3% North_Ossetian @ 3.27
11 90.6% Samaritan + 9.4% Ossetian @ 3.28
12 82% Samaritan + 18% Turkish @ 3.29
13 84.3% Lebanese_Christian + 15.7% Turkish @ 3.33
14 89.5% Samaritan + 10.5% Kumyk @ 3.34
15 86% Samaritan + 14% Kurdish @ 3.35
16 52.9% Samaritan + 47.1% Lebanese_Muslim @ 3.36
17 90.8% Samaritan + 9.2% Kabardin @ 3.4
18 57.4% Samaritan + 42.6% Cyprian @ 3.4
19 91.3% Samaritan + 8.7% Chechen @ 3.41
20 91.4% Samaritan + 8.6% Lezgin @ 3.42

[Aileron]

..

[Aileron]

You are still closer to other Arabs than us as expected

[فاروق]

You are still closer to other Arabs than us as expected

I'm close to Levantines who are Arabized Arabs. I don't see Saudi or any gulf Arab popping for me.

[Thracian]

I don't have time to find some kits now, I will do it later. Anyway,

1- You do not score East Euroasian.
2- Your East Med score is way higher than average Anatolian Turks (on SS is 28.97)
3- Your West Asian is way lower than average Anatolian Turks (on SS is 30.83)
4- Your Baltic and North Atlantic components are considerably lower than Anatolian Turks (NA=7.12 and Baltic=4.32)
5- Anatolian Turks do not have Northeast African
6- You are almost double scored Red Sea than Anatolian Turkish average

Basically, your all statements are invalid. I will also find some kits and compare your results again tonight.

[فاروق]

I don't have time to find some kits now, I will do it later. Anyway,

1- You do not score East Euroasian.
2- Your East Med score is way higher than average Anatolian Turks (on SS is 28.97)
3- Your West Asian is way lower than average Anatolian Turks (on SS is 30.83)
4- Your Baltic and North Atlantic components are considerably lower than Anatolian Turks (NA=7.12 and Baltic=4.32)
5- Anatolian Turks do not have Northeast African
6- You are almost double scored Red Sea than Anatolian Turkish average

Basically, your all statements are invalid. I will also find some kits and compare your results again tonight.

Why don't you just compare the average components? GEDMatch algorithm is all based on components. Secondly, why do you lie? Average Turkish Red Sea is 6 which is just 3 points below me. If Turks didn't have Mongol admixture their distance would be lower to me. Anatolian Turks do have Northeast African: 0.9% according to the average.

[Reis-i Cumhur]

Lebanese people are whiter than turks .Look at the Akp Supporters Most of Akp supporters are clearly arabid+armenoid.
Balkan turks are just meme af I'm whiter than balkancels because of my caucasian ancestry
Of course i am whiter than %90 of lebanese people but if we think generally lebanese are whiter than turkıfied armenians and arabs.

[Reis-i Cumhur]

Lebanese are as white as Syrians in Turkey.So that means lebanese are not white neither turkıfied arabs and armenians thoo.

[Aileron]

I'm close to Levantines who are Arabized Arabs. I don't see Saudi or any gulf Arab popping for me.

Saudi and Yemeni pop up in that Oracle you posted,doesnt it belong to you?

[samario]

Lebanese plot closer to Southern Europeans. Turks have some Asian admixture.

Am I not right?

[Adamm]

Turks obviously.

[Aileron]

Lebanese plot closer to Southern Europeans. Turks have some Asian admixture.

Am I not right?

they plot south of us and closer to Saudis and other Arabs even exclude Balkan Turks, with them the difference is more drastic.
Genes doesnt matter that much in phenotype though and i think we are lighter in pigmention.
Threads like this is bullshit to me

[Sora]

https://i.ibb.co/Jxhv7jV/erabcopyx1kw3.png

https://i.ibb.co/DMQV8XD/guneyb0jo9.png

It seems Turks are more European than Lebanese. Also 30% of Turks I've observed in real life can pass as pure Europeans

[Adamm]

https://i.ibb.co/Jxhv7jV/erabcopyx1kw3.png

https://i.ibb.co/DMQV8XD/guneyb0jo9.png

It seems Turks are more European than Lebanese. Also 30% of Turks I've observed in real life can pass as pure Europeans

This is obvious and its just pathetic to think that Lebanese are somewhat closer to Europeans than Turks.

[samario]

they plot south of us and closer to Saudis and other Arabs even exclude Balkan Turks, with them the difference is more drastic.
Genes doesnt matter that much in phenotype though and i think we are lighter in pigmention.
Threads like this is bullshit to me

Saudis are located further south. Anyway, Turks are probably lighter on average, I don't know, but genetically they are Eastern-leaning.

I'm talking about this PCA plotting chart by the way.

https://i.postimg.cc/Px2fmbMD/Screen-Shot-2020-01-28-at-11-35-03.png

[Aileron]

Saudis are located further south. Anyway, Turks are probably lighter on average, I don't know, but genetically they are Eastern-leaning.

I'm talking about this PCA plotting chart by the way.

https://i.postimg.cc/HLNBjRq8/Screen-Shot-2020-01-28-at-11-31-01.png

I dont have enough knowledge about genetics but they are arabs and often closer to palestinians, syrians and Saudi/ Yemeni often pop up in their oracles
Anatolian Turks are closer to Caucaus populations,Balkan Turks are often closer to Balkan/Eastern Europe

Lookwise Lebanese often look arab and similar to other populations in the region hence darker than us(whatever that means)

[Adamm]

I dont have enough knowledge about genetics but they are arabs and often closer to palestinians, syrians and Saudi/ Yemeni often pop up in their oracles
Anatolian Turks are closer to Caucaus populations,Balkan Turks are often closer to Balkan/Eastern Europe

Lookwise Lebanese often look arab and similar to other populations in the region hence darker than us(whatever that means)

Lebanese Christians are closer to South Europeans like Cypriots and Greeks than to Arabs from the Peninsula:

Distance to: Lebanese_Christian
0.02189906 Druze:GS000016136
0.02241147 Lebanese_Druze:1271
0.02255044 Lebanese_Druze:981
0.02264608 Syrian_Jew:SyriaJewSY06
0.02334130 Druze:HGDP00558
0.02375853 Lebanese_Christian:Lebanese22BA23
0.02398155 Lebanese_Druze:1247
0.02428833 Druze:GS000016135
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[samario]

I dont have enough knowledge about genetics but they are arabs and often closer to palestinians, syrians and Saudi/ Yemeni often pop up in their oracles
Anatolian Turks are closer to Caucaus populations,Balkan Turks are often closer to Balkan/Eastern Europe

Lookwise Lebanese often look arab and similar to other populations in the region hence darker than us(whatever that means)

They plot closer to Levantines (Palestinians, Syrians, Samaritans, Jews, Jordanians) because they are Levantines. Genetically they are not Arabs, Arabs is a term used for Gulf Arabs, genetically speaking. Saudis and Yemenis might pop up, the same as Turks. A Levantine with Arabian admixture might have Saudis and Yemenis pop up really close in their chart, but the majority of them are not Arabian-admixed. A lot of Turks follow Islam and are not Arabian in origin, the same applies to the Levant, plus the language. They were colonised but their population was not wiped out.

Overall, they form a continuum with Southern Europeans as depicted in the PCA plotting chart above. Also, there are some depigmented Levantines as well. They probably look more Mediterranean than Turks, the latter might have a higher share of light-eyed/light-haired people. Again, light-haired and light-eyed people are not a common sight in Italy, Spain or Greece hence the similarity of Lebanese with their fellow Mediterranean neighbours. Continental Turks might resemble Balkanites or other West Asian groups. Here is the thing, Turkey is West Asian whilst the Levant is Eastern Mediterranean.

https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Gaetano_Gaudiosi/publication/228796050/figure/fig1/AS:300861281587201@1448742327347/Mediterranean-countries-1-source-OME.png

I don't know much about Turkish phenotypes, but I'm under the impression they are not overwhelmingly Mediterranean looks-wise. A big chunk might look like that, but there are other phenotypes in significant numbers and with a sizeable Asian contribution, no? Like Kyrgyz, Uzbekz and so on.

[Nomansman]

This is obvious and its just pathetic to think that Lebanese are somewhat closer to Europeans than Turks.

Thats because lebbos are more west eurasian than turks are. Also, turks have admixture thats liekly not common in both lebbos and south euros(i assume), hence why lebbos ended up closer to south italians(who are kind of partly lebbo as suggested by one o the lebanese members here, which kind of explains it), hence why lebs can be significantly closer to some euros than turks as whole(excluding balkan turks)

[Aileron]

They plot closer to Levantines (Palestinians, Syrians, Samaritans, Jews, Jordanians) because they are Levantines. Genetically they are not Arabs, Arabs is a term used for Gulf Arabs, genetically speaking. Saudis and Yemenis might pop up, the same as Turks. A Levantine with Arabian admixture might have Saudis and Yemenis pop up really close in their chart, but the majority of them are not Arabian-admixed. A lot of Turks follow Islam and are not Arabian in origin, the same applies to the Levant, plus the language. They were colonised but their population was not wiped out.

Overall, they form a continuum with Southern Europeans as depicted in the PCA plotting chart above. Also, there are some depigmented Levantines as well. They probably look more Mediterranean than Turks, the latter might have a higher share of light-eyed/light-haired people. Again, light-haired and light-eyed people are not a common sight in Italy, Spain or Greece hence the similarity of Lebanese with their fellow Mediterranean neighbours. Continental Turks might resemble Balkanites or other West Asian groups. Here is the thing, Turkey is West Asian whilst the Levant is Eastern Mediterranean.

https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Gaetano_Gaudiosi/publication/228796050/figure/fig1/AS:300861281587201@1448742327347/Mediterranean-countries-1-source-OME.png

I don't know much about Turkish phenotypes, but I'm under the impression they are not overwhelmingly Mediterranean looks-wise. A big chunk might look like that, but there are other phenotypes in significant numbers and with a sizeable Asian contribution, no? Like Kyrgyz, Uzbekz and so on.

When i said they look arab, i mean look like this
https://resmim.net/f/RtlSJB.jpg
https://resmim.net/f/51L5tt.jpg
https://resmim.net/f/7tbKrH.jpg

[Marmara]

Thats because lebbos are more west eurasian than turks are. Also, turks have admixture thats liekly not common in both lebbos and south euros(i assume), hence why lebbos ended up closer to south italians(who are kind of partly lebbo as suggested by one o the lebanese members here, which kind of explains it), hence why lebs can be significantly closer to some euros than turks as whole(excluding balkan turks)

Why do people exclude Balkan Turks? We have two of them here, used to be more. Balkan Turks make up a high percentage of Turks, i can't give exact numbers because there is no census on it.

[Nomansman]

Why do people exclude Balkan Turks? We have two of them here, used to be more. Balkan Turks make up a high percentage of Turks, i can't give exact numbers because there is no census on it.

WHats the point of saying turks arent closer to euros than lebs are using balkan turks? Just the "balkan" in their name says it all(just like it also tells a bit about their ancestry).

Its like saying pashtuns are closer to euros than to nw south asians using half russian, half pashtun samples. Anyway, when people think about turks here, they think about mainland turks. Not balkan ones. Otherwise if it just been balkan, almost nobody would think turks as people close to kurds and armenians(not saying youre super close, but youre not really far from them either).

[archangel]

They plot closer to Levantines (Palestinians, Syrians, Samaritans, Jews, Jordanians) because they are Levantines. Genetically they are not Arabs, Arabs is a term used for Gulf Arabs, genetically speaking. Saudis and Yemenis might pop up, the same as Turks. A Levantine with Arabian admixture might have Saudis and Yemenis pop up really close in their chart, but the majority of them are not Arabian-admixed. A lot of Turks follow Islam and are not Arabian in origin, the same applies to the Levant, plus the language. They were colonised but their population was not wiped out.

Overall, they form a continuum with Southern Europeans as depicted in the PCA plotting chart above. Also, there are some depigmented Levantines as well. They probably look more Mediterranean than Turks, the latter might have a higher share of light-eyed/light-haired people. Again, light-haired and light-eyed people are not a common sight in Italy, Spain or Greece hence the similarity of Lebanese with their fellow Mediterranean neighbours. Continental Turks might resemble Balkanites or other West Asian groups. Here is the thing, Turkey is West Asian whilst the Levant is Eastern Mediterranean.

https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Gaetano_Gaudiosi/publication/228796050/figure/fig1/AS:300861281587201@1448742327347/Mediterranean-countries-1-source-OME.png

I don't know much about Turkish phenotypes, but I'm under the impression they are not overwhelmingly Mediterranean looks-wise. A big chunk might look like that, but there are other phenotypes in significant numbers and with a sizeable Asian contribution, no? Like Kyrgyz, Uzbekz and so on.

you are kidding right?
Lebanese and other arabs are much darker than south euros and us, they are darker in skin color, have much less blondism and have signicifant SSA plus much less Euro admixture.

https://resmim.net/f/a5TfaB.png
https://resmim.net/f/QohqQj.jpg
htteps://resmim.net/f/4G98gC.jpg
https://resmim.net/f/GCDG4J.jpg
https://resmim.net/f/u46J8h.jpg
https://resmim.net/f/4OQgg2.jpg

[archangel]

WHats the point of saying turks arent closer to euros than lebs are using balkan turks? Just the "balkan" in their name says it all(just like it also tells a bit about their ancestry).

Its like saying pashtuns are closer to euros than to nw south asians using half russian, half pashtun samples. Anyway, when people think about turks here, they think about mainland turks. Not balkan ones. Otherwise if it just been balkan, almost nobody would think turks as people close to kurds and armenians(not saying youre super close, but youre not really far from them either).

There is no such thing as Mainland Turks and i asked before why a south asian like yourself brag about us?
Do you see me bragging and commenting about south asians?

[Marmara]

WHats the point of saying turks arent closer to euros than lebs are using balkan turks? Just the "balkan" in their name says it all(just like it also tells a bit about their ancestry).

Its like saying pashtuns are closer to euros than to nw south asians using half russian, half pashtun samples. Anyway, when people think about turks here, they think about mainland turks. Not balkan ones. Otherwise if it just been balkan, almost nobody would think turks as people close to kurds and armenians(not saying youre super close, but youre not really far from them either).

Tells ancestry of what? Is Anatolia an ancient Turkic land? Were original Turks Middle-Easterners? Such way of thinking doesn't exist here, Balkan Turks are as Turkish as Anatolian Turks, only foreigners like you have a definition for a "proper turk" which is about looking as middle-eastern as possible, as if Turks originate from Baghdad.

[Nomansman]

There is no such thing as Mainland Turks and i asked before why a south asian like yourself brag about us?
Do you see me bragging and commenting about south asians?

Calm down, autist.

Im just here contributing to discussion. Not my fault you guys arent as far from those brown/black arabs as you wished you were.

This site isnt just for west asians, but south asians like me as well. So calm down and for once stop being an oversensitive autist like you always are

[archangel]

Calm down, autist.

Im just here contributing to discussion. Not my fault you guys arent as far from those brown/black arabs as you wished you were.

This site isnt just for west asians, but south asians like me as well. So calm down and for once stop being an oversensitive autist like you always are

I am just stating the facts

[Nomansman]

Tells ancestry of what? Is Anatolia an ancient Turkic land? Were original Turks Middle-Easterners? Such way of thinking doesn't exist here, Balkan Turks are as Turkish as Anatolian Turks, only foreigners like you have a definition for a "proper turk" which is about looking as middle-eastern as possible, as if Turks originate from Baghdad.

AVG turks dont descend from baghdad. You said that, not me. You guys are M O S T L Y north west asians like the rest with different admixture. I mean, do most of you guys get dna-results like west asians or dna results like semi europeans(not saying balkan turks dont exist and that they dont exist in huge amounts and not saying you guys are just exactly like armenians and kurds)? ¨

People here are talking about west asian turks, not semi european turks. No need to discuss about them, because we all know theyre closer to euros than lebbos are. OP is just talking about west asian turks from west turkey to east turkey.

[Nomansman]

I am just stating the facts

Me too, if you saw my results

So whats the problem then?

[archangel]

AVG turks dont descend from baghdad. You said that, not me. You guys are M O S T L Y north west asians like the rest with different admixture. I mean, do most of you guys get dna-results like west asians or dna results like semi europeans(not saying balkan turks dont exist and that they dont exist in huge amounts)? ¨

People here are talking about west asian turks, not semi european turks. No need to discuss about them, because we all know theyre closer to euros than lebbos are. OP is just talking about west asian turks from west turkey to east turkey.

OP asked for just Turks so which means both Anatolian and Balkan populations..
we tend get angry to be compared with any kind of Arabs though
we have mililons of refugees from Syria and people are starting to lose their patiance against those arabs.

[Nomansman]

OP asked for just Turks so which means both Anatolian and Balkan populations..
we tend get angry to be compared with any kind of Arabs though
we have mililons of refugees from Syria and people are starting to lose their patiance against those arabs.

Well, im sorry about that.

I didnt meant to take any sides, just post results if i can.

But you shouldnt be so racist either(although it maybe seems like OP did start this as a troll thread....im not sure?) towards arabs

[samario]

When i said they look arab, i mean look like this


Those do look stereotypically 'Arab' even though Arab is not a race. Arab is an umbrella term where a lot of nationalities fall under. Some people mistakingly deem Turks as Arabs, too, by the way.

I could post pics of Lebanese crowds where people look different from the ones shown in the pic.

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/SjY8seUZH9w/maxresdefault.jpg

https://img.thedailybeast.com/image/upload/c_crop,d_placeholder_euli9k,h_1439,w_2560,x_0,y_0/dpr_1.5/c_limit,w_1044/fl_lossy,q_auto/v1492193955/articles/2014/11/10/lebanese-christians-gun-up-against-isis/141109-george-christian-militia-tease_xokoxj

https://www.aljazeera.com/mritems/imagecache/mbdxxlarge/mritems/Images/2019/12/16/cdceabe5197046df9f2093b219d57d56_18.jpg

https://static.timesofisrael.com/www/uploads/2019/11/AP19320558228602-e1574065663384.jpg

https://angelusnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/35sjqz3tom_John_Allen_Lebanese_Christians_Middle_E ast.jpg

https://images.fineartamerica.com/images/artworkimages/mediumlarge/2/beirut-beach-lebanon-michael-ochs-archives.jpg

https://www.citymetric.com/sites/default/files/styles/nodeimage/public/article_2016/12/gettyimages-75422137.jpg?itok=dkCKG9e5

https://c8.alamy.com/comp/G1P3P5/beirut-lebanon18th-may-2016-two-men-relax-on-the-seafront-drinking-G1P3P5.jpg

https://c8.alamy.com/comp/P5CC1H/men-sunbathing-on-rocks-at-ras-beirut-beside-the-corniche-in-beirut-lebanon-P5CC1H.jpg

[archangel]

Well, im sorry about that.

I didnt meant to take any sides, just post results if i can.

But you shouldnt be so racist either(although it maybe seems like OP did start this as a troll thread....im not sure?) towards arabs

you are right my friend

[Marmara]

AVG turks dont descend from baghdad. You said that, not me. You guys are M O S T L Y north west asians like the rest with different admixture. I mean, do most of you guys get dna-results like west asians or dna results like semi europeans(not saying balkan turks dont exist and that they dont exist in huge amounts and not saying you guys are just exactly like armenians and kurds)? ¨

People here are talking about west asian turks, not semi european turks. No need to discuss about them, because we all know theyre closer to euros than lebbos are. OP is just talking about west asian turks from west turkey to east turkey.

OP can't even point Turkey on a world map let alone know the ethnic and genetic variation in Turkey. He means all Turks, which includes Balkan Turks. As long as it's not specified, Turk means all Turks, regardless Balkan or Anatolian. Turkey was founded by a Balkan Turk, disregarding them as given is retarded. We never make such Balkan and Anatolian distinction here, Balkans was a Turkish heartland just as Anatolia till Balkan Wars, where millions have became refugees and had to flee to Turkey.

[Nomansman]

OP can't even point Turkey on a world map let alone know the ethnic and genetic variation in Turkey. He means all Turks, which includes Balkan Turks. As long as it's not specified, Turk means all Turks, regardless Balkan or Anatolian. Turkey was founded by a Balkan Turk, disregarding them as given is retarded. We never make such Balkan and Anatolian distinction here, Balkans was a Turkish heartland just as Anatolia till Balkan Wars, where millions have became refugees and had to flee to Turkey.

Well, including balkan turks then, then turks are genetically most euro. With anatolian turks only, turks are slightly closer to balkans, while lebbos are significantly closer to south euros.

But by looks though i have to give it to turks. THey look morre "euro" than lebbos do. Even chechens do look more euro, despite their bigger amount of CHG.

[Marmara]

Well, including balkan turks then, then turks are genetically most euro. With anatolian turks only, turks are slightly closer to balkans, while lebbos are significantly closer to south euros.

But by looks though i have to give it to turks. THey look morre "euro" than lebbos do. Even chechens do look more euro, despite their bigger amount of CHG.

Southern Europeans can look as Lebanese as they can, i was only pointing out the fall of logic in disregarding Balkan Turks as proper Turks which was your initial opinion.

[archangel]

Those do look stereotypically 'Arab' even though Arab is not a race. Arab is an umbrella term where a lot of nationalities fall under. Some people mistakingly deem Turks as Arabs, too, by the way.

I could post pics of Lebanese crowds where people look different from the ones shown in the pic.




https://www.citymetric.com/sites/default/files/styles/nodeimage/public/article_2016/12/gettyimages-75422137.jpg?itok=dkCKG9e5

https://c8.alamy.com/comp/G1P3P5/beirut-lebanon18th-may-2016-two-men-relax-on-the-seafront-drinking-G1P3P5.jpg

https://c8.alamy.com/comp/P5CC1H/men-sunbathing-on-rocks-at-ras-beirut-beside-the-corniche-in-beirut-lebanon-P5CC1H.jpg

Arabs and their disgusting Hookahs..

[samario]

Arabs and their disgusting Hookahs..

Oh OK. Didn't know those artefacts were called a hookah. Apparently they are well known in Turkey, too?

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/fb/View_of_Constantinople_by_Jean_Pascal_S%C3%A9bah_% 281905%29.png

[Marmara]

Oh OK. Didn't know those artefacts were called a hookah. Apparently they are well known in Turkey, too?

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/fb/View_of_Constantinople_by_Jean_Pascal_S%C3%A9bah_% 281905%29.png

Yes they are, it's part of Turkish culture but now much more associated with Syrian refugees due to their excessive smoking.

[archangel]

Oh OK. Didn't know those artefacts were called a hookah. Apparently they are well known in Turkey, too?

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/fb/View_of_Constantinople_by_Jean_Pascal_S%C3%A9bah_% 281905%29.png

i think it got here from middle east and with the increasing number of Syrian migrants here it got more widespread...
Personally i think its disgusting

[Nomansman]

Southern Europeans can look as Lebanese as they can, i was only pointing out the fall of logic in disregarding Balkan Turks as proper Turks which was your initial opinion.

Its not that they arent culturally/by identity turks. They are. I just thought OP was only refering to anatolian turks, hence why i said they shouldnt be counted for all turks.


Anyway, some south euros really do look lebbo though

[Marmara]

Its not that they arent culturally/by identity turks. They are. I just thought OP was only refering to anatolian turks, hence why i said they shouldnt be counted for all turks.


Anyway, some south euros really do look lebbo though

They are also genetically Turk, they have the Turkic conqueror admixture just like Anatolians.

[Dorian]

i think it got here from middle east and with the increasing number of Syrian migrants here it got more widespread...

:icon_lol:

[Aileron]

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i think its origin is in middle east or better to say among Arabic speakers

[Hapanuwa]

This is a bullshit thread. I'm a West-Anatolian Turk and I have no heritage outside of Turkey. I'm way closer to South-Europeans like Greeks and South-Italians than Middle Easterners/Lebanese.

Eurogenes K13

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 27.75
2 West_Asian 21.88
3 West_Med 13.83
4 North_Atlantic 9.82
5 Baltic 9.07
6 East_Asian 5.45
7 Siberian 5.17
8 Red_Sea 3.72
9 South_Asian 1.8
10 Oceanian 1.45
11 Northeast_African 0.06

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Turkish 10.32
2 Central_Greek 13.35
3 East_Sicilian 14.07
4 South_Italian 14.77
5 Ashkenazi 15
6 Azeri 15.33
7 Italian_Abruzzo 15.6
8 Greek_Thessaly 16.76
9 Cyprian 16.76
10 Lebanese_Muslim 16.78
11 Sephardic_Jewish 17.05
12 West_Sicilian 17.61
13 Syrian 17.86
14 Algerian_Jewish 18.3
15 Italian_Jewish 18.39
16 Assyrian 18.89
17 Turkmen 18.99
18 Tunisian_Jewish 19.03
19 Georgian_Jewish 19.5
20 Libyan_Jewish 19.76



K15

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 24.69
2 West_Asian 22.19
3 West_Med 11.59
4 North_Sea 10.25
5 Southeast_Asian 5.34
6 Baltic 5.21
7 Siberian 4.91
8 Red_Sea 4.3
9 Atlantic 4.19
10 Eastern_Euro 4.01
11 South_Asian 2.04
12 Oceanian 1.22
13 Northeast_African 0.09

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Turkish 11.43
2 Ashkenazi 13.06
3 Central_Greek 13.55
4 East_Sicilian 14.47
5 Azeri 15.11
6 South_Italian 15.29
7 Italian_Abruzzo 15.54
8 Greek_Thessaly 15.82
9 Greek 17.02
10 Turkmen 17.13
11 Italian_Jewish 17.5
12 Sephardic_Jewish 17.77
13 Lebanese_Muslim 18.07
14 Cyprian 18.13
15 West_Sicilian 18.45
16 Syrian 18.73
17 Armenian 18.87
18 Assyrian 18.99
19 Kurdish 19.26
20 Algerian_Jewish 19.29


I'm even closer to Turkmens than Lebanese on here

Also I have white skin, blue-green eyes and brown blondish hair without ancestors from the Balkan.

[Nomansman]

They are also genetically Turk, they have the Turkic conqueror admixture just like Anatolians.

Not much exactly tbh(they do have lots of turkish admixture though).....i mean, they do probably have east asian in them. But account the fact that they get modelled as 40-60% bulgarian and rest all kind of turks.....eh......theyre definetly more turk than tatars are. And its not like they dont have anything to do with anatolian turks, but the difference between anatolian turks and many balkan turks can be very big

[Dorian]

i think its origin is in middle east or better to say among Arabic speakers

Many of the various names of the hookah are of Indian, Turkish, Uzbek, Persian or Arab origin. "Narghile" is from the Persian word nārgil, or "coconut", and in Sanksrit nārikera, since the original nargile came from India and was made out of coconut shells. "Shisha" is from the Persian word shishe, or "glass" (this is the correct literal translation, not bottle). "Hashishe" is also an Arabic word for grass, which may have been another way of saying tobacco. Hookah may stem from Arabic uqqa, meaning small box, pot, or jar. Both names refer to the original methods of constructing the smoke/water chamber part of the hookah.

"Narghile" is the name most commonly used in Turkey, Lebanon, Syria, Greece and Israel, though the initial "n" is often dropped in Arabic. "Shisha" is more commonly seen in Egypt. In Iran it is called ghalyoun or ghalyan and in Pakistan it is referred to as huqqa.

The origins of the hookah pipe are argued over by many. The main countries claiming to be the father of the hookah are India, Iran, Turkey, Egypt and Syria. The likelihood is the pipe in its many forms probably made an appearance in more than one country independently and through ancient trade routes started to take shape into what we now consider a standard form. Most of the worlds pipes today are manufactured in Syria, Egypt and Turkey.


Turkish History
One of the oldest and deep rooted traditions in Turkey is the Nargile (Hookah), with both men and women finding great pleasure in smoking the waterpipe. The nargile started a whole new culture which endured for many, many years. Even today the nargile gives enjoyment to a special breed of smokers. The original hookah came from India, but it was rather primitive as it was made out of coconut shell. Its popularity spread to Iran and then to the rest of the Arab world. But it was in Turkey that the Hookah completed its revolution, and did not change its style for the last few hundred years. The hookah became a very important part of the coffee shop culture, finding its popularity in Turkey around the time of Murad the IV'th, (623-40).

Not all tobaccos qualified for usage in the nargile, and only the dark tobacco imported from Iran found favor with the nargile user. This toabcco was washed several times before use as it was extremely strong. Only oak charcoal was used to be placed on the top of the tobacco. Some professional nargile smokers used certain fruit, like sour cherries or grapes in their govde just to enjoy the motion it created in the water. Other people enjoyed adding pomegranate juice or rose oil to their water for added flavor.

When the water-pipe was brought to Anatolia in the 17th century, Turkish craftsmen found a new way through which they could display their skills. They engraved beautiful designs such as white or colourful flasks which appear as if they were made out of crystallized ice, or more usual designs like fruit or flowers.

The hookah was so popular and fashionable with the elite ladies of the 19th and the beginning of the 20th century, that it became the in thing to be photographed with a hookah. If you wanted to be the hostess with the mostest the nargile was a must for popular afternoon tea and intellectual gatherings. Unfortunately like most wonderful things from the past, the hookah suffered a decline with the availability of the cigarettes. But still today, one is able to find a special type of smoker that would only find their enjoyment from smoking the hookah.

http://www.shishainfo.com/images/turkish-history.jpg

[archangel]

Many of the various names of the hookah are of Indian, Turkish, Uzbek, Persian or Arab origin. "Narghile" is from the Persian word nārgil, or "coconut", and in Sanksrit nārikera, since the original nargile came from India and was made out of coconut shells. "Shisha" is from the Persian word shishe, or "glass" (this is the correct literal translation, not bottle). "Hashishe" is also an Arabic word for grass, which may have been another way of saying tobacco. Hookah may stem from Arabic uqqa, meaning small box, pot, or jar. Both names refer to the original methods of constructing the smoke/water chamber part of the hookah.

"Narghile" is the name most commonly used in Turkey, Lebanon, Syria, Greece and Israel, though the initial "n" is often dropped in Arabic. "Shisha" is more commonly seen in Egypt. In Iran it is called ghalyoun or ghalyan and in Pakistan it is referred to as huqqa.

The origins of the hookah pipe are argued over by many. The main countries claiming to be the father of the hookah are India, Iran, Turkey, Egypt and Syria. The likelihood is the pipe in its many forms probably made an appearance in more than one country independently and through ancient trade routes started to take shape into what we now consider a standard form. Most of the worlds pipes today are manufactured in Syria, Egypt and Turkey.


Turkish History
One of the oldest and deep rooted traditions in Turkey is the Nargile (Hookah), with both men and women finding great pleasure in smoking the waterpipe. The nargile started a whole new culture which endured for many, many years. Even today the nargile gives enjoyment to a special breed of smokers. The original hookah came from India, but it was rather primitive as it was made out of coconut shell. Its popularity spread to Iran and then to the rest of the Arab world. But it was in Turkey that the Hookah completed its revolution, and did not change its style for the last few hundred years. The hookah became a very important part of the coffee shop culture, finding its popularity in Turkey around the time of Murad the IV'th, (623-40).

Not all tobaccos qualified for usage in the nargile, and only the dark tobacco imported from Iran found favor with the nargile user. This toabcco was washed several times before use as it was extremely strong. Only oak charcoal was used to be placed on the top of the tobacco. Some professional nargile smokers used certain fruit, like sour cherries or grapes in their govde just to enjoy the motion it created in the water. Other people enjoyed adding pomegranate juice or rose oil to their water for added flavor.

When the water-pipe was brought to Anatolia in the 17th century, Turkish craftsmen found a new way through which they could display their skills. They engraved beautiful designs such as white or colourful flasks which appear as if they were made out of crystallized ice, or more usual designs like fruit or flowers.

The hookah was so popular and fashionable with the elite ladies of the 19th and the beginning of the 20th century, that it became the in thing to be photographed with a hookah. If you wanted to be the hostess with the mostest the nargile was a must for popular afternoon tea and intellectual gatherings. Unfortunately like most wonderful things from the past, the hookah suffered a decline with the availability of the cigarettes. But still today, one is able to find a special type of smoker that would only find their enjoyment from smoking the hookah.

http://www.shishainfo.com/images/turkish-history.jpg

So it originated in middle east and i am pretty sure my migrating ancestors were not smoking those things lol

[archangel]

This is a bullshit thread. I'm a West-Anatolian Turk and I have no heritage outside of Turkey. I'm way closer to South-Europeans like Greeks and South-Italians than Middle Easterners/Lebanese.

Eurogenes K13



K15


I'm even closer to Turkmens than Lebanese on here

Also I have white skin, blue-green eyes and brown blondish hair without ancestors from the Balkan.

Kardeşim siktir et bu arapları..

[Dorian]

So it originated in middle east and i am pretty sure my migrating ancestors were not smoking those things lol

lol

[Marmara]

So it originated in middle east and i am pretty sure my migrating ancestors were not smoking those things lol

Hookah isn't something ancient. Tabacco was introduced to old world after Columbus, when Turks were already in Turkey.

[Marmara]

Not much exactly tbh(they do have lots of turkish admixture though).....i mean, they do probably have east asian in them. But account the fact that they get modelled as 40-60% bulgarian and rest all kind of turks.....eh......theyre definetly more turk than tatars are. And its not like they dont have anything to do with anatolian turks, but the difference between anatolian turks and many balkan turks can be very big

How the hell are Tatars not Turkic? What is your parameter for turkicness? Balkan Turks are modelled as some percentage Bulgarian because they don't have their own samples included in oracles. They don't probably have East Asian, they have it.

[Adamm]

i think it got here from middle east and with the increasing number of Syrian migrants here it got more widespread...
Personally i think its disgusting

Hookahs are disgusting, everyone sucking to those cancer sticks should be put in a mental institution.

[Nomansman]

How the hell are Tatars not Turkic? What is your parameter for turkicness? Balkan Turks are modelled as some percentage Bulgarian because they don't have their own samples included in oracles. They don't probably have East Asian, they have it.

Tatars are turk I C. Not Turk I S H. Tatars are more like either sometimes kazakhs or maybe english or scandi people modelled with siberian(theyre too euro for all turkics and it can be seen in all gedmatch calcs + g25 nmonte. Thyre just too turkic shifted for all euros though)

Meant that balkan turks are largely TURK I S H. ALso, no suprise you cant find any good samples to model with balkan turks, as there are no one like them not being mixed almost. Balkan turks are turkish people with lots of balkan ancestry. Also, they get modelled at least 40% bulgarian with all kind of turks. Both ones without mong and ones with mong.

But yeah. Tatars, turkmen, uzbeks, some hazaras, turks, azeris etc are all considered turk I C S.

[Marmara]

Tatars are turk I C. Not Turk I S H. Tatars are more like either sometimes kazakhs or maybe english or scandi people modelled with siberian(theyre too euro for all turkics and it can be seen in all gedmatch calcs + g25 nmonte. Thyre just too turkic shifted for all euros though)

Meant that balkan turks are largely TURK I S H. ALso, no suprise you cant find any good samples to model with balkan turks, as there are no one like them not being mixed almost. Balkan turks are turkish people with lots of balkan ancestry. Also, they get modelled at least 40% bulgarian with all kind of turks. Both ones without mong and ones with mong.

But yeah. Tatars, turkmen, uzbeks, some hazaras, turks, azeris etc are all considered turk I C S.

We don't have a turkic-turkish difference in our language, all is called Turk, Balkan Turks are mixed with Balkanians just as Anatolian Turks are mixed with Anatolians, but both have the same Oghuz Turkic ancestors and same history.

The Turkish samples are those who are from Anatolia and has mixed with native Anatolians, but there is no Balkan sample included, it's due to bias (considering Anatolian Turks pure and Balkanians mixed) which creates further bias.

[Hideyo Arisaka]

Lebanese village wedding


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y52hFcYahZg

Turkish village wedding


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=weNs-MIRONw

I think such events should reflect an average phenotype of both groups.

[user_]

Turks are lighter and more euro looking.
lol why you even open such a stupid thread?

[Zuh]

Turks are lighter and more euro looking.
lol why you even open such a stupid thread?

Because Lebanese look more European than any Turk despite pigmentation must turks look like light skinned Mongolians their Asiatic turanid influences are very strong on their eye shaped.

[72737282]

90% of Turkish components are the same as Lebanese. The only difference is the extra Asian genes you guys have. You guys are just Arabs in denial brainwashed from childhood for self-hating yourselves.

This gotta be a joke lmao. Time to embrace your Turkish heritage my Arab friend. Tell me a single time Arabs were present in Anatolia. Only instance is Arabs taking some lands in Eastern Turkey where Kurdish people live today. Being desert dwellers, they couldn't handle the mountainous and cold terrain and lost the lands after Byzantine empire retaliated in addition taking Northern Syria. Anatolia was Christian land before the Turkic tribes brought Islam. Ottomans ruled you and many others. Lebanon was Ottoman land since 1516 till 1918. Y'all are Turkish, embrace it.

[Corporate_Demolisher]

Lebanese are lighter on average IMO, but the lightest Turks are lighter than any Arab.