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J. Ketch
01-16-2020, 03:50 AM
Considering that most late Neolithic Farmers in Northern/Western Europe were paternally WHG, despite being autosomally no more than 1/4 WHG.

Any theories?

Dick
01-16-2020, 04:04 AM
They were Chads


Remains from Iron Gates reveal the male hunter-gatherers, on average, were more muscular and about a head taller than the male farmers

An interesting off-topic tidbit btw


According to a paper published in 2016 in the journal PNAS, Iron Gates hunter-gatherers were eating domesticated wheat and barley as early as 8,600 years ago, more than 400 years before the Anatolian farmers arrived. Researchers discovered starch granules in the tooth plaque of some of the foragers.

https://www.discovermagazine.com/the-sciences/when-farmers-and-foragers-first-met

War Chef
01-16-2020, 04:13 AM
Hunter-Gatherer lifestyle is healthier so there's more meat, also less cramped quarters of farmers living in small villages/towns = less disease and childhood stunting. So yeah they were more physically imposing because of lifestyle.

J. Ketch
01-16-2020, 04:18 AM
Hunter-Gatherer lifestyle is healthier so there's more meat, also less cramped quarters of farmers living in small villages/towns = less disease and childhood stunting. So yeah they were more physically imposing because of lifestyle.
It's still unusual though. EEF men must have allowed them to come into their settlements and dominate sexually.

Morena
01-16-2020, 04:22 AM
My theory is that women were more dominant in early EEF society.

Another way to put it, Farmer Wives stole HG men. ;) Farmer women were prettier.

War Chef
01-16-2020, 04:33 AM
Where is the proof for this Creoda? Other than the island of Sardinia where mesolithic i2 was dominant, my haplogroup G2a dominated neolithic europe.

If it really was the case, then I think Neolithic women thought their culture was stupid and idiotic. Check out what LBK farmers did to other LBK villages, they massacred thousands (when population of entire Europe was barely 100,000) and even cannibalized their flesh, including their brains. No one knows why but they think it was part of their religion. If I was a LBK woman I'd GTFO!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herxheim_(archaeological_site)

Dick
01-16-2020, 04:36 AM
My theory is that women were more dominant in early EEF society.

Another way to put it, Farmer Wives stole HG men. ;) Farmer women were prettier.

Sexual selection

Dick
01-16-2020, 04:38 AM
Where is the proof for this Creoda?

Globular Amphora remains, Iron Gates remains etc Paternally they were I, specifically I2

War Chef
01-16-2020, 04:39 AM
The fast expansion of the LBK culture did not leave much time for Near Eastern farmers to intermingle with Mesolithic European hunter-gatherers - a fact now confirmed by the analysis of several LBK genomes that show only about 5 to 10% of indigenous European admixture. However, Mesolithic Europeans continued to live side by side with LBK farmers and progressively interbred with them during the later Rössen (4600-4300 BCE) and Schöningen (4200-3950 BCE) periods. The only exception is northern France, where the LBK-derived RRBP (French acronym standing for Recent Linear Pottery of the Parisian Basin) immediately shows high levels of indigenous European admixture.

https://www.eupedia.com/genetics/linear_pottery_culture.shtml

War Chef
01-16-2020, 04:40 AM
By the way, you should know that Neolithic farmers (EEF) is actually a conglomerate of WHG and Natufian. So they had WHG in them from the very beginning in Anatolia.

Dick
01-16-2020, 04:49 AM
By the way, you should know that Neolithic farmers (EEF) is actually a conglomerate of WHG and Natufian. So they had WHG in them from the very beginning in Anatolia.

No they didn't have it from the very beginning in Anatolia. The Early European Farmers (EEF) were in fact a mixture of mainly Anatolian Neolithic Farmers (ANF), in general around 75% to 85% up to the Late Neolithic, with the Western Hunter-Gatherers (WHG), so I think it’d better for us to talk of the ANF, not EEF.

J. Ketch
01-16-2020, 04:50 AM
Globular Amphora remains, Iron Gates remains etc Paternally they were I, specifically I2
British Farmers are all I2 as well, and Scandinavian Farmers I1 I guess.

War Chef
01-16-2020, 04:55 AM
No they didn't have it from the very beginning in Anatolia. The Early European Farmers (EEF) were in fact a mixture of mainly Anatolian Neolithic Farmers (ANF), in general around 75% to 85% up to the Late Neolithic, with the Western Hunter-Gatherers (WHG), so I think it’d better for us to talk of the ANF, not EEF.

EEF is 40% Basal Eurasian (Natufian) and 60% West Eurasian, derived from the same thing WHG came from.

https://i.imgur.com/OCf27Dp.png

Dick
01-16-2020, 05:05 AM
British Farmers are all I2 as well, and Scandinavian Farmers I1 I guess.

Yes. The British farmers were tested and found to be I, I2a2a or I2a1. The Megalithic paper also tells of I2 dominance in the Isles pre-Beaker.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41559-019-0871-9

Also, the I2a2 and I1 are ultimately of GAC and TRB(Funnelbeaker) Neolithic origins

War Chef
01-16-2020, 05:20 AM
Farming is a lifestyle though. How many ex-WHG's ditched hunting and picked up agriculture? Almost all of them

I'm getting a lot of my information from this video by the way:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZD2VaZHA2g
^ 2:02 for mention about who EEF are in relation to WHG

The Sun King
01-16-2020, 12:52 PM
Farming is a lifestyle though. How many ex-WHG's ditched hunting and picked up agriculture? Almost all of them

I'm getting a lot of my information from this video by the way:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZD2VaZHA2g
^ 2:02 for mention about who EEF are in relation to WHG A fellow G. Welcome brother. Farming is always underrated and it was an important part of European history.

Imperator Biff
01-20-2020, 01:48 PM
EEF is 40% Basal Eurasian (Natufian) and 60% West Eurasian, derived from the same thing WHG came from.

https://i.imgur.com/OCf27Dp.png

Natufians themselves were derived mostly from a dzudzuana/AHG/ANF like group that subsisted in the Levant before an admixture event with IBM mashubians led to their ethnogenesis 12kya, AHG/ANF on the other hand were mostly WHG like plus some natufian like group they mixed with in the Caucasus at some point during the UP, but introgression from actual natufians into Neolithic Anatolia remained relatively low.

https://i.imgur.com/hzp2ndJ.png
https://www.biorxiv.org/content/biorxiv/early/2018/09/20/423079/F2.large.jpg

Imperator Biff
01-20-2020, 02:04 PM
British Farmers are all I2 as well, and Scandinavian Farmers I1 I guess.

Have there been any funnelbeaker samples found belonging to I1 yet? From what I’ve seen its expansion happened during the BA not the Neolithic. TRB/GAC all seem to belong to haplogroup I2 same as Atlantic EEF.

dududud
01-20-2020, 02:17 PM
Not in Sardinia.

J. Ketch
01-20-2020, 02:26 PM
Have there been any funnelbeaker samples found belonging to I1 yet? From what I’ve seen its expansion happened during the BA not the Neolithic. TRB/GAC all seem to belong to haplogroup I2 same as Atlantic EEF.
I stand corrected then. I1 coming from the East later on makes sense.

Dick
01-20-2020, 04:39 PM
Have there been any funnelbeaker samples found belonging to I1 yet?.

Davidski mentioned it in his blog in the past. Here’s an I1 Ancient Samples Map that Deadly77 put together on Google Maps from anthrogenica.

Link to the Google map is here: https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer...4350000038&z=3

Coastal Elite
01-20-2020, 05:00 PM
Why is WHG admixture so small in Europeans today compared to EEF if they were cucked? I think there is more to this story than Y-DNA. WHGs are so fucking overrated.

Grace O'Malley
01-20-2020, 05:09 PM
Why is WHG admixture so small in Europeans today compared to EEF if they were cucked? I think there is more to this story than Y-DNA. WHGs are so fucking overrated.

It is because the ydna I types got the Farmer women. Ydna doesn't always correspond to admixture though. It is obvious that in the past some of the men had a lot of women so many descendants born with a certain ydna. You can see this in any population if you look at the diversity of mtdna in comparison to ydna. Then many of the I types were overridden by R1b types. The winner gets the spoils I guess.

Coastal Elite
01-20-2020, 05:16 PM
It is because the ydna I types got the Farmer women. Ydna doesn't always correspond to admixture though. It is obvious that in the past some of the men had a lot of women so many descendants born with a certain ydna. You can see this in any population if you look at the diversity of mtdna in comparison to ydna. Then many of the I types were overridden by R1b types. The winner gets the spoils I guess.

Ok but if WHGs were successful they would have more admixture modern day Europeans. I think they were actually quite unsuccessful and were out bred by EFF (those that didn't mix with farmers). I think their backwards way of life was no match for the more sophisticated farmer.

Grace O'Malley
01-20-2020, 05:28 PM
Ok but if WHGs were successful they would have more admixture modern day Europeans. I think they were actually quite unsuccessful and were out bred by EFF (those that didn't mix with farmers). I think their backwards way of life was no match for the more sophisticated farmer.

It is amazing though that all the Farmer groups in places like Britain and Ireland so far have been 12a. It's most likely not the case in other parts of Europe.

Around 4000 BCE, Neolithic farming communities reached the northwestern fringes of Europe, including the British Isles (14, 15) and Scandinavia (1, 2, 16, 17). A marked hunter-gatherer (HG) admixture has been observed in the later farmer groups compared with the Early Neolithic farmers on the continent (2, 10, 12).

We found greater macrohaplogroup mtDNA diversity than Y-chromosomal (YDNA) diversity. Whereas mtDNA lineages from megalith burials harbor haplogroups K, H, HV, V, U5b, T, and J (among others), males from megalith burials belong almost exclusively to YDNA haplogroup I, more specifically to the I2a sublineage, which has a time to most recent common ancestor of ∼15000 BCE (51).

Males from the present study belonged to YDNA haplogroup I, and those who could be resolved beyond this level were characterized as belonging to the I2a2a or I2a1b branch. Four of the 10 Primrose/Carrowmore males (Primrose 9, 12, 13, and 16) could be further resolved to the former sublineage, while the two Scottish males and the four Ansarve males could be further placed in the latter branch (Table 1 and SI Appendix, section S7).

The high frequency of the HG-derived I2a male lineages among megalith as well as nonmegalith individuals (SI Appendix, section S11.6) suggests a male sex-biased admixture process between the farmer and the HG groups (2, 12, 53, 54), but when this admixture occurred is unclear.

https://www.pnas.org/content/116/19/9469

Coastal Elite
01-20-2020, 05:37 PM
It is amazing though that all the Farmer groups in places like Britain and Ireland so far have been 12a. It's most likely not the case in other parts of Europe.

Around 4000 BCE, Neolithic farming communities reached the northwestern fringes of Europe, including the British Isles (14, 15) and Scandinavia (1, 2, 16, 17). A marked hunter-gatherer (HG) admixture has been observed in the later farmer groups compared with the Early Neolithic farmers on the continent (2, 10, 12).

We found greater macrohaplogroup mtDNA diversity than Y-chromosomal (YDNA) diversity. Whereas mtDNA lineages from megalith burials harbor haplogroups K, H, HV, V, U5b, T, and J (among others), males from megalith burials belong almost exclusively to YDNA haplogroup I, more specifically to the I2a sublineage, which has a time to most recent common ancestor of ∼15000 BCE (51).

Males from the present study belonged to YDNA haplogroup I, and those who could be resolved beyond this level were characterized as belonging to the I2a2a or I2a1b branch. Four of the 10 Primrose/Carrowmore males (Primrose 9, 12, 13, and 16) could be further resolved to the former sublineage, while the two Scottish males and the four Ansarve males could be further placed in the latter branch (Table 1 and SI Appendix, section S7).

https://www.pnas.org/content/116/19/9469

Yes, I don't doubt the success of I2a in Northern Europe but I suspect they benefited from the fact that northern Europe was sparsely populated and didn't have larger farmer communities like in points to the south.

Grace O'Malley
01-20-2020, 05:43 PM
Yes, I don't doubt the success of I2a in Northern Europe but I suspect they benefited from the fact that northern Europe was sparsely populated and didn't have larger farmer communities like in points to the south.

Yes I agree. Not being a male I'm not being a rooster about this. :) I just find it interesting that the farmers in the North had a HG ydna.

https://otod.files.wordpress.com/2011/11/rooster-crowing-22.jpg

Coastal Elite
01-20-2020, 05:58 PM
Yes I agree. Not being a male I'm not being a rooster about this. :) I just find it interesting that the farmers in the North had a HG ydna.

https://otod.files.wordpress.com/2011/11/rooster-crowing-22.jpg

I'm just an advocate for the rights of neolithic farmer women in the British Isles. I hate to see them defiled. I'm a softie like that.

vbnetkhio
01-20-2020, 06:01 PM
Davidski mentioned it in his blog in the past. Here’s an I1 Ancient Samples Map that Deadly77 put together on Google Maps from anthrogenica.

Link to the Google map is here: https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer...4350000038&z=3

it doesn't work

Grace O'Malley
01-20-2020, 06:02 PM
I'm just an advocate for the rights of neolithic farmer women in the British Isles. I hate to see them defiled. I'm a softie like that.

I tend to be a bit detached but I'm glad I live in this day and not the past. I don't think it was good for either sex.

dududud
01-20-2020, 06:02 PM
I'm just an advocate for the rights of neolithic farmer women in the British Isles. I hate to see them defiled. I'm a softie like that.

30% of neolithic blood in England, it's pretty huge...

I think the big winner are the Indo-Europeans and the Neolithic farmers, the WHG are the losers.

Coastal Elite
01-20-2020, 06:04 PM
30% of neolithic blood in England, it's pretty huge...

I think the big winner are the Indo-Europeans and the Neolithic farmers, the WHG are the losers.

That's exactly what I think

PaleoEuropean
01-20-2020, 06:04 PM
Yes I agree. Not being a male I'm not being a rooster about this. :) I just find it interesting that the farmers in the North had a HG ydna.

https://otod.files.wordpress.com/2011/11/rooster-crowing-22.jpg

All the neolithic noble lines were I, look at all the tombs.

Grace O'Malley
01-20-2020, 06:06 PM
30% of neolithic blood in England, it's pretty huge...

I think the big winner are the Indo-Europeans and the Neolithic farmers, the WHG are the losers.

I think in Britain and Ireland the winners were the R1b men. The Irish and British neolithic doesn't appear to have survived much. The neolithic component that most of us Isles people share is more than likely with GAC and not the British Neolithic population. I'll be interested to see more studies on this which are due out this year. I'll revise my view if I get info to the contrary.

vbnetkhio
01-20-2020, 06:06 PM
Where is the proof for this Creoda?

G2 first replaced i2 in most of Europe. then, in the late neolithic, i2 had an expansion and started replacing g2 again. check out the maps on indo-european.eu (the only good thing on that site)

Dick
01-20-2020, 06:08 PM
it doesn't work

Here is the original link;


https://anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?17746-Haplogroup-I1-Ancient-Samples-Map

Nordarya
01-20-2020, 06:08 PM
They were Chads



An interesting off-topic tidbit btw



https://www.discovermagazine.com/the-sciences/when-farmers-and-foragers-first-metR Alpinids are Übermenschen, not I Nordids or J Medids. Since Germany is mostly R, they can fly the Swastika.

I and J were brothers anyway.

vbnetkhio
01-20-2020, 06:14 PM
By the way, you should know that Neolithic farmers (EEF) is actually a conglomerate of WHG and Natufian. So they had WHG in them from the very beginning in Anatolia.

this was disproven, Anatolian farmers were a thing of their own, and they spread from there and "conquered" whg's to the west and some proto-Natufians to the south

dududud
01-20-2020, 06:17 PM
I think in Britain and Ireland the winners were the R1b men. The Irish and British neolithic doesn't appear to have survived much. The neolithic component that most of us Isles people share is more than likely with GAC and not the British Neolithic population. I'll be interested to see more studies on this which are due out this year. I'll revise my view if I get info to the contrary.

30% of barcin = neolithic. It's the same shit. You are 30% barcin.

In Sardinia it's 90% in the middle-land. So huuuuugeeee, where is your indo-european?

Adamm
01-20-2020, 06:18 PM
R1B was definitely the superior conquer in Europe.

dududud
01-20-2020, 06:19 PM
this was disproven, Anatolian farmers were a thing of their own, and they spread from there and "conquered" whg's to the west and some proto-Natufians to the south

https://anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?16774-Gedmatch-results-of-an-Anatolian-Hunter-Gatherer

Clust very close to Sardinians...

dududud
01-20-2020, 06:21 PM
R1B was definitely the superior conquer in Europe.

At the haplogroup level, it's true, but not at the autosomal level. My father who is from the North of France can be modeled as 44% Barcin and 42% Indo-European. Even at 30% the contribution remains important to speak of an autosomal victory for the Indo-Europeans.

vbnetkhio
01-20-2020, 06:27 PM
https://anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?16774-Gedmatch-results-of-an-Anatolian-Hunter-Gatherer

Clust very close to Sardinians...

yep
all of Europe was once Sardinian-like

Dick
01-20-2020, 06:30 PM
At the haplogroup level, it's true, but not at the autosomal level. My father who is from the North of France can be modeled as 44% Barcin and 42% Indo-European. Even at 30% the contribution remains important to speak of an autosomal victory for the Indo-Europeans.

Model him with corded ware Baltic early instead of yamnaya and what he gets?

Grace O'Malley
01-20-2020, 06:32 PM
30% of barcin = neolithic. It's the same shit. You are 30% barcin.

In Sardinia it's 90% in the middle-land. So huuuuugeeee, where is your indo-european?

The details still matter and I'm not really bothered about being Indo-European. I'm just interested in genetics period and all the details. I'm not complexed about it.

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/99/2f/57/992f57aae65a48e28cfd4a992f826887.jpg

PaleoEuropean
01-20-2020, 06:38 PM
The chad HG vs the virgin farmer


https://i.imgur.com/J7ZpHPX.jpg
HG: Has club
Black men with blue eyes
Lives in the moment, doesn't care if half it's population is wiped out by a tsunami.
Always reconstructed with dope mullets
Has a Farmer MTDNA haplogroup


Farmer:
Has only tools for farming
Just an ordinary black guy
Works for the man all day
Reconstructed bald
Has farmer MTDNA
https://i.imgur.com/oMmgOzM.jpg

Nordarya
01-20-2020, 06:42 PM
It would be great to have history books divided by haplogroups, so proper credit and blame would be assigned.

PaleoEuropean
01-20-2020, 06:43 PM
It would be great to have history books divided by haplogroups, so proper credit and blame would be assigned.

I'd buy that for a shekel.

dududud
01-20-2020, 06:46 PM
Model him with corded ware Baltic early instead of yamnaya and what he gets?

Send me datasheet. Bruh

dududud
01-20-2020, 06:49 PM
The chad HG vs the virgin farmer


https://i.imgur.com/J7ZpHPX.jpg
HG: Has club
Black men with blue eyes
Lives in the moment, doesn't care if half it's population is wiped out by a tsunami.
Always reconstructed with dope mullets
Has a Farmer MTDNA haplogroup


Farmer:
Has only tools for farming
Just an ordinary black guy
Works for the man all day
Reconstructed bald
Has farmer MTDNA
https://i.imgur.com/oMmgOzM.jpg

Big brain farmer*

PaleoEuropean
01-20-2020, 06:50 PM
Big brain farmer*

N3rDz

dududud
01-20-2020, 06:53 PM
N3rDz

dudeeee
https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/newpix/2018/06/25/18/4D9EBFC000000578-5883957-The_National_Museum_of_Antiquities_in_the_Netherla nds_has_reveal-m-11_1529946386973.jpg

Nordarya
01-20-2020, 06:53 PM
I'd buy that for a shekel.

Give out cumshots for books.

Ford
01-20-2020, 06:54 PM
The I-men were too tall, dark and handsome. No homo.

Grace O'Malley
01-20-2020, 07:02 PM
Anyone want to try these samples?


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Anatolia_Barcin_N:I1096,0.120652,0.184826,0.008297 ,-0.101745,0.051702,-0.044344,-0.005405,-0.003692,0.039473,0.0831,0.010718,0.017385,-0.02438,0.006331,-0.043702,-0.0179,0.025946,-0.00076,0.012821,-0.005878,-0.015722,0.00507,-0.005793,0.007832,-0.016406
Anatolia_Barcin_N:I1097,0.120652,0.18178,-0.001886,-0.106591,0.054472,-0.048527,-0.00611,-0.007615,0.038246,0.084922,0.008769,0.014687,-0.022894,0.000413,-0.048859,-0.006629,0.021383,0.003421,0.013952,-0.015257,-0.013975,0.005441,-0.011462,-0.009158,-0.002515
Anatolia_Barcin_N:I1098,0.114961,0.179749,-0.004148,-0.092701,0.040931,-0.045459,-0.001175,-0.010846,0.030883,0.068703,0.009743,0.007044,-0.019623,0.000688,-0.044381,-0.001326,0.032987,0.003294,0.006788,-0.001501,-0.01148,0.007914,0.007025,-0.002771,-0.00958
Anatolia_Barcin_N:I1099,0.111547,0.19092,0.001508,-0.0969,0.055395,-0.04518,0.003525,-0.010615,0.037223,0.077997,0.006171,0.01124,-0.020515,0.00289,-0.039902,-0.016309,0.021644,0.00266,0.013324,-0.007504,-0.003868,0.002844,0.002588,-0.003012,-0.006347
Anatolia_Barcin_N:I1100,0.112685,0.17264,-0.001131,-0.084949,0.049855,-0.054384,-0.00705,-0.002308,0.042132,0.088749,-0.003573,0.008692,-0.02557,-0.006881,-0.040173,-0.00769,0.031553,-0.00266,0.007793,-0.01063,-0.023708,-0.00136,0.003574,-0.003253,-0.001557
Anatolia_Barcin_N:I1101,0.114961,0.179749,0.006411 ,-0.100776,0.054779,-0.043786,-0.00094,-0.000462,0.042541,0.078544,0.005684,0.008692,-0.023042,0.007432,-0.034744,-0.010209,0.01682,0.003927,0.018729,-0.006378,-0.020713,0.004575,-0.000616,-0.003133,-0.010179
Anatolia_Barcin_N:I1102,0.106994,0.170609,0.00528,-0.097546,0.059703,-0.045459,-0.003995,-0.007846,0.030474,0.08474,0.005196,0.010041,-0.029732,-0.006193,-0.031759,0.001856,0.029597,0.002154,0.013073,-0.008754,-0.009109,0.010634,-0.003821,-0.003856,-0.002634
Anatolia_Barcin_N:I1103,0.112685,0.169593,-0.006411,-0.10013,0.044008,-0.046854,-0.00705,-0.005538,0.039269,0.075992,0.011367,0.013638,-0.02215,-0.005505,-0.036644,-0.01127,0.019427,-0.002027,0.010559,-0.008004,-0.016346,0.005564,-0.011216,-0.009278,-0.006945
Anatolia_Barcin_N:I1580,0.127482,0.182795,-0.003017,-0.103037,0.052317,-0.04769,-0.008695,-0.012692,0.040496,0.076904,0.007307,0.014987,-0.020961,-0.003716,-0.043159,0.001724,0.035986,-0.001647,0.006788,-0.009254,-0.010357,-0.001731,0.000246,-0.000482,-0.010298
Anatolia_Barcin_N:I1581,0.113823,0.175687,0.001131 ,-0.110467,0.057241,-0.045459,-0.003995,-0.008077,0.040905,0.084558,0.004222,0.013488,-0.02215,-0.000826,-0.04248,0.003978,0.040549,0.004687,0.005405,-0.005628,-0.010731,0.00643,-0.013557,0.003494,-0.000958
Anatolia_Barcin_N:I1583,0.119514,0.180764,0.00264,-0.10756,0.048932,-0.051037,-0.010575,-0.008769,0.035792,0.087656,0.012342,0.012139,-0.023786,0.005092,-0.036644,-0.006497,0.020861,0.002534,0.011816,-0.003877,-0.011729,0.004822,0.001232,-0.006748,-0.00491
Baltic_LVA_HG:I4432,0.135449,0.100537,0.188937,0.2 1092,0.110174,0.063587,0.011986,0.023768,0.055221,-0.016219,-0.004709,-0.021281,0.029137,-0.008395,0.039223,0.046141,0.002086,0.007348,-0.005154,0.04252,0.058771,0.008037,-0.029949,-0.119053,0.013771
Baltic_LVA_HG:I4434,0.122929,0.099522,0.185543,0.2 08013,0.104327,0.055499,0.013866,0.025153,0.055835 ,-0.02278,-0.003085,-0.018434,0.032111,-0.006055,0.035152,0.046937,0.005346,0.000253,-0.006285,0.046522,0.060269,0.019043,-0.015283,-0.111582,0.008622
Baltic_LVA_HG:I4438,0.12862,0.103584,0.175738,0.19 7354,0.104019,0.052989,0.007285,0.02123,0.044177,-0.029887,-0.000325,-0.019183,0.026759,-0.007432,0.034609,0.052108,-0.000261,0.007981,-0.006285,0.045522,0.059395,0.013973,-0.02884,-0.102424,0.012095
Baltic_LVA_HG:I4439,0.130897,0.102568,0.182149,0.1 97354,0.116945,0.055499,0.00799,0.020768,0.061562,-0.019681,-0.016401,-0.014387,0.030921,-0.003303,0.038816,0.05529,0.008605,0.004307,-0.01257,0.040644,0.072622,0.01422,-0.030689,-0.123391,0.003712
Baltic_LVA_HG:I4440,0.124067,0.109677,0.171213,0.1 91863,0.103096,0.0502,0.009635,0.021691,0.054403,-0.029704,-0.006171,-0.010341,0.028097,0.005918,0.02823,0.041633,-0.007302,0.009755,-0.004274,0.043271,0.058023,0.013107,-0.025266,-0.10857,0.007065
Baltic_LVA_HG:I4441,0.135449,0.093429,0.171967,0.1 88633,0.101557,0.049921,0.0047,0.020307,0.042336,-0.030433,-0.006008,-0.018284,0.026313,-0.00812,0.030673,0.039644,0.008605,-0.0019,-0.011061,0.042145,0.052782,0.022505,-0.024403,-0.105316,0.009939
Baltic_LVA_HG:I4550,0.130897,0.1046,0.184789,0.200 907,0.125562,0.059125,0.009165,0.03046,0.069334,-0.020957,-0.005359,-0.017534,0.023786,-0.002064,0.045738,0.061124,0.005346,0.006334,-0.006159,0.044771,0.072497,0.00643,-0.031551,-0.130862,0.012813
Baltic_LVA_HG:I4551,0.132035,0.09546,0.178378,0.19 5739,0.09294,0.057173,0.002115,0.019384,0.050108,-0.03098,-0.003085,-0.014537,0.027651,-0.020781,0.040988,0.044948,0.003651,0.007981,-0.002011,0.043521,0.057523,0.00643,-0.02465,-0.099171,0.003952
Baltic_LVA_HG:I4552,0.135449,0.098506,0.185543,0.1 96385,0.10802,0.056894,0.0094,0.020768,0.048063,-0.027153,-0.004709,-0.020682,0.028989,-0.003716,0.03298,0.049854,0.008996,0.006461,0.0003 77,0.045272,0.063263,0.01422,-0.029826,-0.10869,0.009939
Baltic_LVA_HG:I4553,0.129758,0.100537,0.181395,0.1 99615,0.114483,0.051316,0.015981,0.021691,0.05379,-0.02278,-0.008444,-0.02218,0.028692,0,0.042345,0.057146,0.003651,-0.000253,0.001885,0.04102,0.061267,0.01793,-0.026375,-0.113992,0.007903
Baltic_LVA_HG:I4595,0.126344,0.093429,0.179887,0.1 87341,0.109559,0.055499,0.002585,0.023076,0.054608 ,-0.01549,-0.005521,-0.02218,0.027948,0.000963,0.033116,0.05224,0.01160 4,-0.001774,-0.007416,0.04202,0.063887,0.007048,-0.02354,-0.113631,0.015208
Baltic_LVA_HG:I4596,0.12862,0.098506,0.18592,0.191 863,0.118791,0.058288,0.0094,0.019615,0.058085,-0.028064,0.004222,-0.020082,0.028394,-0.011285,0.031623,0.049456,0.005215,0.00076,-0.003897,0.042896,0.06788,0.008408,-0.033277,-0.116281,0.006347
Baltic_LVA_HG:I4626,0.121791,0.114755,0.184412,0.2 00584,0.110482,0.063308,0.002585,0.023537,0.05604,-0.017495,-0.007632,-0.017085,0.020664,0.010046,0.042345,0.036727,-0.008475,0.007728,-0.017221,0.039894,0.068754,0.027327,-0.035495,-0.136766,0.015208
Baltic_LVA_HG:I4628,0.127482,0.098506,0.177247,0.2 03491,0.108328,0.051595,0.013161,0.011538,0.048677 ,-0.032985,-0.002598,-0.020232,0.028543,0.002064,0.029858,0.040175,-0.008736,0.009628,-0.005656,0.04152,0.062265,0.00643,-0.016145,-0.107847,0.016765
Baltic_LVA_HG:I4630,0.124067,0.08632,0.167819,0.19 8,0.07386,0.057173,0.00423,0.005307,0.036405,-0.042461,0.004384,-0.009142,0.033597,-0.024634,0.02253,0.041766,0.00013,0.00114,-0.006913,0.036518,0.039805,0.013973,-0.016022,-0.075312,-0.002874
Baltic_LVA_HG:I4632,0.134311,0.106631,0.183281,0.1 87664,0.100634,0.059404,0.009635,0.023076,0.050517 ,-0.031162,-0.009419,-0.024278,0.028692,-0.009221,0.040988,0.053036,0.010691,-0.00038,-0.002137,0.039144,0.062639,0.009769,-0.029456,-0.103991,0.013053
Yamnaya_RUS_Kalmykia:RISE240,0.118376,0.085304,0.0 46009,0.111759,-0.022466,0.029005,0.008225,-0.000692,-0.050722,-0.061231,-0.000487,0.003147,0.001189,-0.026148,0.03393,0.004773,0.011995,-0.007981,-0.005908,0.020385,-0.011979,-0.001237,0.013064,0.024461,0.008861
Yamnaya_RUS_Kalmykia:RISE546,0.106994,0.090382,0.0 58454,0.121126,-0.03139,0.04769,0.00188,-0.002769,-0.065243,-0.087291,-0.00341,0.000899,-0.000892,-0.023671,0.007057,0.011138,0.006258,0.005194,0,0.0 01501,-0.004118,-0.006801,0.029456,0.032053,-0.016645
Yamnaya_RUS_Kalmykia:RISE547,0.119514,0.097491,0.0 45632,0.117896,-0.028005,0.038766,0.00517,-0.003692,-0.043359,-0.067974,-0.00406,0.001649,0.000743,-0.025598,0.035287,0.00411,-0.016168,0.002027,0.010056,0.006878,-0.003993,0.002226,0.007025,0.018316,-0.007424
Yamnaya_RUS_Kalmykia:RISE550,0.124067,0.097491,0.0 46763,0.107237,-0.02185,0.042391,0.00094,-0.010615,-0.050313,-0.073441,0.006008,-0.004646,-0.005054,-0.01734,0.034473,0.01896,0.002477,-0.005701,0.002514,0.009254,-0.000125,0.00643,0.020952,0.01699,0.002275
Yamnaya_RUS_Kalmykia:RISE552,0.106994,0.089367,0.0 35826,0.106914,-0.034468,0.052431,0.00564,-0.000462,-0.060335,-0.081824,-0.002761,0.001199,-0.001041,-0.025323,0.028501,0.019093,0.001565,-0.006334,-0.002891,0.013256,-0.000998,0.002226,0.010723,0.023256,-0.00479
Yamnaya_RUS_Samara:I0231,0.122929,0.082258,0.04487 7,0.113697,-0.033852,0.046575,0,-0.006,-0.051949,-0.072165,0.007307,0.001049,0.003271,-0.022708,0.029994,0.018297,0.005998,-0.003547,-0.00176,0.011005,-0.003244,0,-0.001725,0.013616,-0.000838
Yamnaya_RUS_Samara:I0357,0.126344,0.092413,0.03808 9,0.107883,-0.029852,0.039324,0.00564,-0.008077,-0.043768,-0.065605,-0.001137,-0.00015,-0.003568,-0.024772,0.035287,0.01896,0.00013,0.003167,-0.005279,0.004877,0.003619,0.006925,0.008504,0.012 532,-0.005269
Yamnaya_RUS_Samara:I0370,0.124067,0.08632,0.049403 ,0.111759,-0.027697,0.044623,0.00517,-0.000462,-0.066061,-0.066516,-0.002436,-0.00015,0.000297,-0.025735,0.03868,0.013789,0.000782,-0.000127,-0.005154,0.015758,0.001622,-0.0115,0.007025,0.021328,-0.003952
Yamnaya_RUS_Samara:I0429,0.130897,0.088351,0.04412 3,0.126617,-0.030467,0.050758,0.005875,0.003,-0.059516,-0.075992,0.000974,-0.008992,0.002081,-0.018717,0.039359,0.020949,0.004955,-0.000887,0.003897,0.022636,-0.005615,0.000495,0.020089,0.018798,-0.013651
Yamnaya_RUS_Samara:I0438,0.126344,0.085304,0.04261 5,0.122741,-0.032929,0.048806,-0.002115,0.002077,-0.068925,-0.080548,0.00065,0.002548,-0.00892,-0.029176,0.032437,0.011668,0.002347,-0.005068,-0.006285,0.018009,-0.00025,0.001731,0.021199,0.021328,-0.007185
Yamnaya_RUS_Samara:I0439,0.127482,0.096475,0.03733 5,0.117896,-0.017542,0.038487,0.00329,-0.006,-0.052154,-0.057587,0.001949,-0.000599,-0.007582,-0.02257,0.038273,0.016441,-0.002217,-0.004941,-0.00352,0.018634,-0.001996,0.00643,0.015529,0.02663,-0.00934
Yamnaya_RUS_Samara:I0443,0.124067,0.093429,0.03997 5,0.108206,-0.027082,0.045459,0.003995,-0.007154,-0.052563,-0.081642,0.001299,-3e-04,0.000595,-0.016515,0.044923,0.003978,-0.014212,-0.001394,-0.003771,0.013006,0.00262,0.000247,0.003944,0.0189 18,0.002036
Yamnaya_RUS_Samara:I0444,0.125205,0.08632,0.045632 ,0.119188,-0.024928,0.047969,0.00564,-0.001154,-0.050108,-0.073259,0.002598,0.002847,0,-0.042663,0.029451,0.022938,-0.000522,0.003294,-0.010307,0.013131,-0.015098,0.004204,0.010846,0.016267,0.003952
Yamnaya_RUS_Samara:I7489,0.122929,0.090382,0.04223 8,0.110144,-0.03416,0.043507,0.004935,0.000692,-0.058085,-0.082735,0.005196,0.004046,-0.010406,-0.006881,0.041123,0.01485,-0.008345,-0.006588,-0.002388,0.006878,-0.010232,-0.001731,0.014173,0.018075,-0.006586
POL_Globular_Amphora:I2403,0.12862,0.158423,0.0720 3,-0.008721,0.090786,-0.023706,0.004935,0.006461,0.04929,0.066516,0.0056 84,0.013488,-0.018731,-0.016102,-0.013843,0.01127,0.021253,0.001774,0.00352,0.00325 2,0.00861,0.004204,-0.00949,-0.019521,-0.00012
POL_Globular_Amphora:I2433,0.126344,0.171624,0.055 06,-0.019703,0.084939,-0.023427,-0.00329,0.006923,0.05379,0.075992,-0.006658,0.01169,-0.023042,-0.014313,-0.0057,0.000928,0.007693,0.007981,0.003017,0.00125 1,0.010107,0.01286,-0.012695,-0.022413,-0.006706
POL_Globular_Amphora:I2441,0.129758,0.178733,0.055 437,-0.024871,0.084631,-0.022311,0.001645,0.006461,0.057471,0.082188,-0.001137,0.012589,-0.022596,-0.012661,-0.000814,0.005967,0.001695,0.004814,0.008673,0.000 125,0.006613,0.003833,-0.008011,-0.019521,0.001557
POL_Globular_Amphora:N38,0.124067,0.164516,0.06147 1,-0.020026,0.085247,-0.012271,0.006345,0.003461,0.049904,0.07253,-0.001461,0.009442,-0.018731,-0.004404,-0.013436,-0.007558,0.008866,0.009375,0.004777,0.000875,0,0.0 08532,-0.009983,-0.02169,-0.000599

This is my result.

Target: Grace_scaled
Distance: 2.7820% / 0.02781968
48.6 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
45.4 POL_Globular_Amphora
6.0 Baltic_LVA_HG

Taking out GAC this is my result.

Target: Grace_scaled
Distance: 3.8125% / 0.03812539
45.2 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
34.2 Anatolia_Barcin_N
20.6 Baltic_LVA_HG

Taking out the Baltic HG this is what I got.

Target: Grace_scaled
Distance: 6.7420% / 0.06742029
65.4 Yamnaya_RUS
34.6 Anatolia_Barcin_N

Target: Grace_scaled
Distance: 6.7420% / 0.06742029
43.8 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
34.6 Anatolia_Barcin_N
21.6 Yamnaya_RUS_Kalmykia

Forgot to add WHG.


Anatolia_Barcin_C:I1584,0.114961,0.147252,-0.037335,-0.062339,-0.005847,-0.01506,-0.00094,-0.010384,-0.011249,0.025878,0.009581,0.013638,-0.014569,-0.006468,-0.009365,-0.012463,0.009909,-0.006841,-0.002765,-0.011255,0.003369,0.008656,-0.005053,-0.002048,-0.011137
Anatolia_Barcin_N:I0707,0.122929,0.184826,0.001886 ,-0.110144,0.054779,-0.048527,0.00141,-0.011769,0.036201,0.08474,0.011205,0.016335,-0.021704,0.002615,-0.038409,-0.014187,0.022817,0.00114,0.012947,-0.002751,-0.011979,0.009645,-0.008627,0.001566,-0.001676
Anatolia_Barcin_N:I0708,0.119514,0.173656,-0.003017,-0.101745,0.042469,-0.046854,-0.00094,-0.012692,0.021066,0.074717,0.009419,0.009142,-0.017691,0.000963,-0.041938,-0.007955,0.024121,0.000633,0.015209,-0.013882,-0.022336,0.008903,-0.012448,-0.012652,-0.007305
Anatolia_Barcin_N:I0709,0.119514,0.19092,0.008674,-0.108206,0.050163,-0.044065,-0.00282,-0.003923,0.038655,0.088202,0.006983,0.012289,-0.023488,0.001789,-0.042345,-0.023999,0.002347,-0.003674,0.011941,-0.019759,-0.006239,0.012242,-0.000616,-0.00723,-0.002994
Anatolia_Barcin_N:I0723,0.118376,0.178733,0.009805 ,-0.103037,0.057241,-0.05773,0.003525,0.000462,0.041518,0.080548,0.0016 24,0.004946,-0.027056,-0.005643,-0.043702,-0.006762,0.03729,0.00152,0.017975,-0.009254,-0.015473,0.002968,0.006779,-0.00012,-0.006227
Anatolia_Barcin_N:I0724,0.117238,0.168578,0.018856 ,-0.10013,0.052933,-0.047969,-0.00094,-0.004384,0.031088,0.075446,0.008931,0.01139,-0.017691,-0.003303,-0.045059,0.001989,0.041853,0.012922,0.020363,-0.009755,-0.018717,0.004699,-0.007518,-0.001928,-0.008023
Anatolia_Barcin_N:I0726,0.120652,0.180764,0.00264,-0.104653,0.053548,-0.054663,-0.005875,-0.002308,0.035383,0.088749,0.009743,0.015586,-0.027651,0.006881,-0.040716,-0.037655,-0.001825,0.002914,0.0225,-0.015382,-0.013351,0.007666,-0.004683,0.00253,0.006945
Anatolia_Barcin_N:I0727,0.114961,0.185842,0.004525 ,-0.103683,0.036314,-0.053547,-0.00141,-0.008077,0.031088,0.077633,0.005846,0.01109,-0.031813,0.00055,-0.056052,-0.010607,0.022817,0.009122,0.032807,-0.015007,-0.017968,0.005441,-0.016022,-0.007953,0.008023
Anatolia_Barcin_N:I0736,0.119514,0.183811,0.006788 ,-0.091732,0.049855,-0.049921,-0.0047,-0.006,0.04295,0.077815,0.012829,0.013338,-0.020961,-0.011423,-0.04058,0.005701,0.033248,-0.007475,0.007793,-0.007003,-0.016097,0.006306,-0.005916,-0.000964,-0.007544
Anatolia_Barcin_N:I0744,0.119514,0.186857,0.009428 ,-0.107883,0.058472,-0.052989,-0.00987,-0.01223,0.03027,0.082371,0.010393,0.01139,-0.031813,0.003441,-0.048045,-0.011668,0.022426,0.000633,0.005279,-0.007253,-0.012852,-0.000124,-0.004683,0.002289,0.001796
Anatolia_Barcin_N:I0745,0.118376,0.178733,-0.002263,-0.098838,0.049548,-0.046575,-0.010105,-0.002538,0.036814,0.075628,0.010068,0.014237,-0.017542,0.00812,-0.035966,-0.020949,0.005346,0.006334,0.020489,-0.014382,-0.017095,0.008037,0.001356,-0.009278,-0.004191
Anatolia_Barcin_N:I0746,0.120652,0.180764,0.011691 ,-0.093024,0.048317,-0.043507,-0.012691,-0.010615,0.034565,0.078726,0.010393,0.009591,-0.023786,0.006606,-0.048316,-0.027844,0.005607,0.004054,0.012947,-0.017383,-0.013102,0.011005,-0.006532,-0.005543,-0.002036
Anatolia_Barcin_N:I1096,0.120652,0.184826,0.008297 ,-0.101745,0.051702,-0.044344,-0.005405,-0.003692,0.039473,0.0831,0.010718,0.017385,-0.02438,0.006331,-0.043702,-0.0179,0.025946,-0.00076,0.012821,-0.005878,-0.015722,0.00507,-0.005793,0.007832,-0.016406
Anatolia_Barcin_N:I1097,0.120652,0.18178,-0.001886,-0.106591,0.054472,-0.048527,-0.00611,-0.007615,0.038246,0.084922,0.008769,0.014687,-0.022894,0.000413,-0.048859,-0.006629,0.021383,0.003421,0.013952,-0.015257,-0.013975,0.005441,-0.011462,-0.009158,-0.002515
Anatolia_Barcin_N:I1098,0.114961,0.179749,-0.004148,-0.092701,0.040931,-0.045459,-0.001175,-0.010846,0.030883,0.068703,0.009743,0.007044,-0.019623,0.000688,-0.044381,-0.001326,0.032987,0.003294,0.006788,-0.001501,-0.01148,0.007914,0.007025,-0.002771,-0.00958
Anatolia_Barcin_N:I1099,0.111547,0.19092,0.001508,-0.0969,0.055395,-0.04518,0.003525,-0.010615,0.037223,0.077997,0.006171,0.01124,-0.020515,0.00289,-0.039902,-0.016309,0.021644,0.00266,0.013324,-0.007504,-0.003868,0.002844,0.002588,-0.003012,-0.006347
Anatolia_Barcin_N:I1100,0.112685,0.17264,-0.001131,-0.084949,0.049855,-0.054384,-0.00705,-0.002308,0.042132,0.088749,-0.003573,0.008692,-0.02557,-0.006881,-0.040173,-0.00769,0.031553,-0.00266,0.007793,-0.01063,-0.023708,-0.00136,0.003574,-0.003253,-0.001557
Anatolia_Barcin_N:I1101,0.114961,0.179749,0.006411 ,-0.100776,0.054779,-0.043786,-0.00094,-0.000462,0.042541,0.078544,0.005684,0.008692,-0.023042,0.007432,-0.034744,-0.010209,0.01682,0.003927,0.018729,-0.006378,-0.020713,0.004575,-0.000616,-0.003133,-0.010179
Anatolia_Barcin_N:I1102,0.106994,0.170609,0.00528,-0.097546,0.059703,-0.045459,-0.003995,-0.007846,0.030474,0.08474,0.005196,0.010041,-0.029732,-0.006193,-0.031759,0.001856,0.029597,0.002154,0.013073,-0.008754,-0.009109,0.010634,-0.003821,-0.003856,-0.002634
Anatolia_Barcin_N:I1103,0.112685,0.169593,-0.006411,-0.10013,0.044008,-0.046854,-0.00705,-0.005538,0.039269,0.075992,0.011367,0.013638,-0.02215,-0.005505,-0.036644,-0.01127,0.019427,-0.002027,0.010559,-0.008004,-0.016346,0.005564,-0.011216,-0.009278,-0.006945
Anatolia_Barcin_N:I1580,0.127482,0.182795,-0.003017,-0.103037,0.052317,-0.04769,-0.008695,-0.012692,0.040496,0.076904,0.007307,0.014987,-0.020961,-0.003716,-0.043159,0.001724,0.035986,-0.001647,0.006788,-0.009254,-0.010357,-0.001731,0.000246,-0.000482,-0.010298
Anatolia_Barcin_N:I1581,0.113823,0.175687,0.001131 ,-0.110467,0.057241,-0.045459,-0.003995,-0.008077,0.040905,0.084558,0.004222,0.013488,-0.02215,-0.000826,-0.04248,0.003978,0.040549,0.004687,0.005405,-0.005628,-0.010731,0.00643,-0.013557,0.003494,-0.000958
Anatolia_Barcin_N:I1583,0.119514,0.180764,0.00264,-0.10756,0.048932,-0.051037,-0.010575,-0.008769,0.035792,0.087656,0.012342,0.012139,-0.023786,0.005092,-0.036644,-0.006497,0.020861,0.002534,0.011816,-0.003877,-0.011729,0.004822,0.001232,-0.006748,-0.00491
Baltic_LVA_HG:I4432,0.135449,0.100537,0.188937,0.2 1092,0.110174,0.063587,0.011986,0.023768,0.055221,-0.016219,-0.004709,-0.021281,0.029137,-0.008395,0.039223,0.046141,0.002086,0.007348,-0.005154,0.04252,0.058771,0.008037,-0.029949,-0.119053,0.013771
Baltic_LVA_HG:I4434,0.122929,0.099522,0.185543,0.2 08013,0.104327,0.055499,0.013866,0.025153,0.055835 ,-0.02278,-0.003085,-0.018434,0.032111,-0.006055,0.035152,0.046937,0.005346,0.000253,-0.006285,0.046522,0.060269,0.019043,-0.015283,-0.111582,0.008622
Baltic_LVA_HG:I4438,0.12862,0.103584,0.175738,0.19 7354,0.104019,0.052989,0.007285,0.02123,0.044177,-0.029887,-0.000325,-0.019183,0.026759,-0.007432,0.034609,0.052108,-0.000261,0.007981,-0.006285,0.045522,0.059395,0.013973,-0.02884,-0.102424,0.012095
Baltic_LVA_HG:I4439,0.130897,0.102568,0.182149,0.1 97354,0.116945,0.055499,0.00799,0.020768,0.061562,-0.019681,-0.016401,-0.014387,0.030921,-0.003303,0.038816,0.05529,0.008605,0.004307,-0.01257,0.040644,0.072622,0.01422,-0.030689,-0.123391,0.003712
Baltic_LVA_HG:I4440,0.124067,0.109677,0.171213,0.1 91863,0.103096,0.0502,0.009635,0.021691,0.054403,-0.029704,-0.006171,-0.010341,0.028097,0.005918,0.02823,0.041633,-0.007302,0.009755,-0.004274,0.043271,0.058023,0.013107,-0.025266,-0.10857,0.007065
Baltic_LVA_HG:I4441,0.135449,0.093429,0.171967,0.1 88633,0.101557,0.049921,0.0047,0.020307,0.042336,-0.030433,-0.006008,-0.018284,0.026313,-0.00812,0.030673,0.039644,0.008605,-0.0019,-0.011061,0.042145,0.052782,0.022505,-0.024403,-0.105316,0.009939
Baltic_LVA_HG:I4550,0.130897,0.1046,0.184789,0.200 907,0.125562,0.059125,0.009165,0.03046,0.069334,-0.020957,-0.005359,-0.017534,0.023786,-0.002064,0.045738,0.061124,0.005346,0.006334,-0.006159,0.044771,0.072497,0.00643,-0.031551,-0.130862,0.012813
Baltic_LVA_HG:I4551,0.132035,0.09546,0.178378,0.19 5739,0.09294,0.057173,0.002115,0.019384,0.050108,-0.03098,-0.003085,-0.014537,0.027651,-0.020781,0.040988,0.044948,0.003651,0.007981,-0.002011,0.043521,0.057523,0.00643,-0.02465,-0.099171,0.003952
Baltic_LVA_HG:I4552,0.135449,0.098506,0.185543,0.1 96385,0.10802,0.056894,0.0094,0.020768,0.048063,-0.027153,-0.004709,-0.020682,0.028989,-0.003716,0.03298,0.049854,0.008996,0.006461,0.0003 77,0.045272,0.063263,0.01422,-0.029826,-0.10869,0.009939
Baltic_LVA_HG:I4553,0.129758,0.100537,0.181395,0.1 99615,0.114483,0.051316,0.015981,0.021691,0.05379,-0.02278,-0.008444,-0.02218,0.028692,0,0.042345,0.057146,0.003651,-0.000253,0.001885,0.04102,0.061267,0.01793,-0.026375,-0.113992,0.007903
Baltic_LVA_HG:I4595,0.126344,0.093429,0.179887,0.1 87341,0.109559,0.055499,0.002585,0.023076,0.054608 ,-0.01549,-0.005521,-0.02218,0.027948,0.000963,0.033116,0.05224,0.01160 4,-0.001774,-0.007416,0.04202,0.063887,0.007048,-0.02354,-0.113631,0.015208
Baltic_LVA_HG:I4596,0.12862,0.098506,0.18592,0.191 863,0.118791,0.058288,0.0094,0.019615,0.058085,-0.028064,0.004222,-0.020082,0.028394,-0.011285,0.031623,0.049456,0.005215,0.00076,-0.003897,0.042896,0.06788,0.008408,-0.033277,-0.116281,0.006347
Baltic_LVA_HG:I4626,0.121791,0.114755,0.184412,0.2 00584,0.110482,0.063308,0.002585,0.023537,0.05604,-0.017495,-0.007632,-0.017085,0.020664,0.010046,0.042345,0.036727,-0.008475,0.007728,-0.017221,0.039894,0.068754,0.027327,-0.035495,-0.136766,0.015208
Baltic_LVA_HG:I4628,0.127482,0.098506,0.177247,0.2 03491,0.108328,0.051595,0.013161,0.011538,0.048677 ,-0.032985,-0.002598,-0.020232,0.028543,0.002064,0.029858,0.040175,-0.008736,0.009628,-0.005656,0.04152,0.062265,0.00643,-0.016145,-0.107847,0.016765
Baltic_LVA_HG:I4630,0.124067,0.08632,0.167819,0.19 8,0.07386,0.057173,0.00423,0.005307,0.036405,-0.042461,0.004384,-0.009142,0.033597,-0.024634,0.02253,0.041766,0.00013,0.00114,-0.006913,0.036518,0.039805,0.013973,-0.016022,-0.075312,-0.002874
Baltic_LVA_HG:I4632,0.134311,0.106631,0.183281,0.1 87664,0.100634,0.059404,0.009635,0.023076,0.050517 ,-0.031162,-0.009419,-0.024278,0.028692,-0.009221,0.040988,0.053036,0.010691,-0.00038,-0.002137,0.039144,0.062639,0.009769,-0.029456,-0.103991,0.013053
Yamnaya_RUS_Kalmykia:RISE240,0.118376,0.085304,0.0 46009,0.111759,-0.022466,0.029005,0.008225,-0.000692,-0.050722,-0.061231,-0.000487,0.003147,0.001189,-0.026148,0.03393,0.004773,0.011995,-0.007981,-0.005908,0.020385,-0.011979,-0.001237,0.013064,0.024461,0.008861
Yamnaya_RUS_Kalmykia:RISE546,0.106994,0.090382,0.0 58454,0.121126,-0.03139,0.04769,0.00188,-0.002769,-0.065243,-0.087291,-0.00341,0.000899,-0.000892,-0.023671,0.007057,0.011138,0.006258,0.005194,0,0.0 01501,-0.004118,-0.006801,0.029456,0.032053,-0.016645
Yamnaya_RUS_Kalmykia:RISE547,0.119514,0.097491,0.0 45632,0.117896,-0.028005,0.038766,0.00517,-0.003692,-0.043359,-0.067974,-0.00406,0.001649,0.000743,-0.025598,0.035287,0.00411,-0.016168,0.002027,0.010056,0.006878,-0.003993,0.002226,0.007025,0.018316,-0.007424
Yamnaya_RUS_Kalmykia:RISE550,0.124067,0.097491,0.0 46763,0.107237,-0.02185,0.042391,0.00094,-0.010615,-0.050313,-0.073441,0.006008,-0.004646,-0.005054,-0.01734,0.034473,0.01896,0.002477,-0.005701,0.002514,0.009254,-0.000125,0.00643,0.020952,0.01699,0.002275
Yamnaya_RUS_Kalmykia:RISE552,0.106994,0.089367,0.0 35826,0.106914,-0.034468,0.052431,0.00564,-0.000462,-0.060335,-0.081824,-0.002761,0.001199,-0.001041,-0.025323,0.028501,0.019093,0.001565,-0.006334,-0.002891,0.013256,-0.000998,0.002226,0.010723,0.023256,-0.00479
Yamnaya_RUS_Samara:I0231,0.122929,0.082258,0.04487 7,0.113697,-0.033852,0.046575,0,-0.006,-0.051949,-0.072165,0.007307,0.001049,0.003271,-0.022708,0.029994,0.018297,0.005998,-0.003547,-0.00176,0.011005,-0.003244,0,-0.001725,0.013616,-0.000838
Yamnaya_RUS_Samara:I0357,0.126344,0.092413,0.03808 9,0.107883,-0.029852,0.039324,0.00564,-0.008077,-0.043768,-0.065605,-0.001137,-0.00015,-0.003568,-0.024772,0.035287,0.01896,0.00013,0.003167,-0.005279,0.004877,0.003619,0.006925,0.008504,0.012 532,-0.005269
Yamnaya_RUS_Samara:I0370,0.124067,0.08632,0.049403 ,0.111759,-0.027697,0.044623,0.00517,-0.000462,-0.066061,-0.066516,-0.002436,-0.00015,0.000297,-0.025735,0.03868,0.013789,0.000782,-0.000127,-0.005154,0.015758,0.001622,-0.0115,0.007025,0.021328,-0.003952
Yamnaya_RUS_Samara:I0429,0.130897,0.088351,0.04412 3,0.126617,-0.030467,0.050758,0.005875,0.003,-0.059516,-0.075992,0.000974,-0.008992,0.002081,-0.018717,0.039359,0.020949,0.004955,-0.000887,0.003897,0.022636,-0.005615,0.000495,0.020089,0.018798,-0.013651
Yamnaya_RUS_Samara:I0438,0.126344,0.085304,0.04261 5,0.122741,-0.032929,0.048806,-0.002115,0.002077,-0.068925,-0.080548,0.00065,0.002548,-0.00892,-0.029176,0.032437,0.011668,0.002347,-0.005068,-0.006285,0.018009,-0.00025,0.001731,0.021199,0.021328,-0.007185
Yamnaya_RUS_Samara:I0439,0.127482,0.096475,0.03733 5,0.117896,-0.017542,0.038487,0.00329,-0.006,-0.052154,-0.057587,0.001949,-0.000599,-0.007582,-0.02257,0.038273,0.016441,-0.002217,-0.004941,-0.00352,0.018634,-0.001996,0.00643,0.015529,0.02663,-0.00934
Yamnaya_RUS_Samara:I0443,0.124067,0.093429,0.03997 5,0.108206,-0.027082,0.045459,0.003995,-0.007154,-0.052563,-0.081642,0.001299,-3e-04,0.000595,-0.016515,0.044923,0.003978,-0.014212,-0.001394,-0.003771,0.013006,0.00262,0.000247,0.003944,0.0189 18,0.002036
Yamnaya_RUS_Samara:I0444,0.125205,0.08632,0.045632 ,0.119188,-0.024928,0.047969,0.00564,-0.001154,-0.050108,-0.073259,0.002598,0.002847,0,-0.042663,0.029451,0.022938,-0.000522,0.003294,-0.010307,0.013131,-0.015098,0.004204,0.010846,0.016267,0.003952
Yamnaya_RUS_Samara:I7489,0.122929,0.090382,0.04223 8,0.110144,-0.03416,0.043507,0.004935,0.000692,-0.058085,-0.082735,0.005196,0.004046,-0.010406,-0.006881,0.041123,0.01485,-0.008345,-0.006588,-0.002388,0.006878,-0.010232,-0.001731,0.014173,0.018075,-0.006586
POL_Globular_Amphora:I2403,0.12862,0.158423,0.0720 3,-0.008721,0.090786,-0.023706,0.004935,0.006461,0.04929,0.066516,0.0056 84,0.013488,-0.018731,-0.016102,-0.013843,0.01127,0.021253,0.001774,0.00352,0.00325 2,0.00861,0.004204,-0.00949,-0.019521,-0.00012
POL_Globular_Amphora:I2433,0.126344,0.171624,0.055 06,-0.019703,0.084939,-0.023427,-0.00329,0.006923,0.05379,0.075992,-0.006658,0.01169,-0.023042,-0.014313,-0.0057,0.000928,0.007693,0.007981,0.003017,0.00125 1,0.010107,0.01286,-0.012695,-0.022413,-0.006706
POL_Globular_Amphora:I2441,0.129758,0.178733,0.055 437,-0.024871,0.084631,-0.022311,0.001645,0.006461,0.057471,0.082188,-0.001137,0.012589,-0.022596,-0.012661,-0.000814,0.005967,0.001695,0.004814,0.008673,0.000 125,0.006613,0.003833,-0.008011,-0.019521,0.001557
POL_Globular_Amphora:N38,0.124067,0.164516,0.06147 1,-0.020026,0.085247,-0.012271,0.006345,0.003461,0.049904,0.07253,-0.001461,0.009442,-0.018731,-0.004404,-0.013436,-0.007558,0.008866,0.009375,0.004777,0.000875,0,0.0 08532,-0.009983,-0.02169,-0.000599
WHG:I1875,0.130897,0.120848,0.191577,0.194447,0.15 9107,0.048248,0.015746,0.040152,0.087332,0.007472,-0.016076,-0.015436,0.017839,-0.003303,0.047909,0.047069,0.007302,0.018497,-0.003268,0.057027,0.087471,0.00915,-0.048436,-0.143153,0.01449
WHG:Rochedane,0.118376,0.111708,0.178001,0.184111, 0.150182,0.044623,0.010575,0.034383,0.090809,0.028 064,-0.014615,-0.016186,0.013974,-0.002752,0.058767,0.069344,0.002738,0.014189,-0.015335,0.054151,0.101446,0.013231,-0.050778,-0.178579,0.019519


WHG didn't make any difference to my result I seem to favour Baltic_LVA_HG over WHG.

Target: Grace_scaled
Distance: 2.7820% / 0.02781968
48.6 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
45.4 POL_Globular_Amphora
6.0 Baltic_LVA_HG

I know that GAC has more HG where Barcin doesn't so removing that.

Target: Grace_scaled
Distance: 3.7771% / 0.03777099
49.4 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
33.0 Anatolia_Barcin_N
10.4 WHG
7.2 Baltic_LVA_HG

dududud
01-20-2020, 07:15 PM
Model him with corded ware Baltic early instead of yamnaya and what he gets?

Father:
Distance: 4.3659% / 0.04365906
47.6 Beaker_Iberia
41.4 CWC_Baltic
11.0 Minoan_Lasithi


Mother:
Distance: 3.2641% / 0.03264098
44.4 Beaker_Iberia
40.8 Minoan_Lasithi
14.8 CWC_Baltic

Lucas
01-20-2020, 08:29 PM
An interesting off-topic tidbit btw
According to a paper published in 2016 in the journal PNAS, Iron Gates hunter-gatherers were eating domesticated wheat and barley as early as 8,600 years ago, more than 400 years before the Anatolian farmers arrived. Researchers discovered starch granules in the tooth plaque of some of the foragers. [/I]


https://www.discovermagazine.com/the-sciences/when-farmers-and-foragers-first-met

I guess it was because of trade with farmers.

Coastal Elite
01-20-2020, 08:51 PM
Anyone want to try these samples?


Anatolia_Barcin_C:I1584,0.114961,0.147252,-0.037335,-0.062339,-0.005847,-0.01506,-0.00094,-0.010384,-0.011249,0.025878,0.009581,0.013638,-0.014569,-0.006468,-0.009365,-0.012463,0.009909,-0.006841,-0.002765,-0.011255,0.003369,0.008656,-0.005053,-0.002048,-0.011137
Anatolia_Barcin_N:I0707,0.122929,0.184826,0.001886 ,-0.110144,0.054779,-0.048527,0.00141,-0.011769,0.036201,0.08474,0.011205,0.016335,-0.021704,0.002615,-0.038409,-0.014187,0.022817,0.00114,0.012947,-0.002751,-0.011979,0.009645,-0.008627,0.001566,-0.001676
Anatolia_Barcin_N:I0708,0.119514,0.173656,-0.003017,-0.101745,0.042469,-0.046854,-0.00094,-0.012692,0.021066,0.074717,0.009419,0.009142,-0.017691,0.000963,-0.041938,-0.007955,0.024121,0.000633,0.015209,-0.013882,-0.022336,0.008903,-0.012448,-0.012652,-0.007305
Anatolia_Barcin_N:I0709,0.119514,0.19092,0.008674,-0.108206,0.050163,-0.044065,-0.00282,-0.003923,0.038655,0.088202,0.006983,0.012289,-0.023488,0.001789,-0.042345,-0.023999,0.002347,-0.003674,0.011941,-0.019759,-0.006239,0.012242,-0.000616,-0.00723,-0.002994
Anatolia_Barcin_N:I0723,0.118376,0.178733,0.009805 ,-0.103037,0.057241,-0.05773,0.003525,0.000462,0.041518,0.080548,0.0016 24,0.004946,-0.027056,-0.005643,-0.043702,-0.006762,0.03729,0.00152,0.017975,-0.009254,-0.015473,0.002968,0.006779,-0.00012,-0.006227
Anatolia_Barcin_N:I0724,0.117238,0.168578,0.018856 ,-0.10013,0.052933,-0.047969,-0.00094,-0.004384,0.031088,0.075446,0.008931,0.01139,-0.017691,-0.003303,-0.045059,0.001989,0.041853,0.012922,0.020363,-0.009755,-0.018717,0.004699,-0.007518,-0.001928,-0.008023
Anatolia_Barcin_N:I0726,0.120652,0.180764,0.00264,-0.104653,0.053548,-0.054663,-0.005875,-0.002308,0.035383,0.088749,0.009743,0.015586,-0.027651,0.006881,-0.040716,-0.037655,-0.001825,0.002914,0.0225,-0.015382,-0.013351,0.007666,-0.004683,0.00253,0.006945
Anatolia_Barcin_N:I0727,0.114961,0.185842,0.004525 ,-0.103683,0.036314,-0.053547,-0.00141,-0.008077,0.031088,0.077633,0.005846,0.01109,-0.031813,0.00055,-0.056052,-0.010607,0.022817,0.009122,0.032807,-0.015007,-0.017968,0.005441,-0.016022,-0.007953,0.008023
Anatolia_Barcin_N:I0736,0.119514,0.183811,0.006788 ,-0.091732,0.049855,-0.049921,-0.0047,-0.006,0.04295,0.077815,0.012829,0.013338,-0.020961,-0.011423,-0.04058,0.005701,0.033248,-0.007475,0.007793,-0.007003,-0.016097,0.006306,-0.005916,-0.000964,-0.007544
Anatolia_Barcin_N:I0744,0.119514,0.186857,0.009428 ,-0.107883,0.058472,-0.052989,-0.00987,-0.01223,0.03027,0.082371,0.010393,0.01139,-0.031813,0.003441,-0.048045,-0.011668,0.022426,0.000633,0.005279,-0.007253,-0.012852,-0.000124,-0.004683,0.002289,0.001796
Anatolia_Barcin_N:I0745,0.118376,0.178733,-0.002263,-0.098838,0.049548,-0.046575,-0.010105,-0.002538,0.036814,0.075628,0.010068,0.014237,-0.017542,0.00812,-0.035966,-0.020949,0.005346,0.006334,0.020489,-0.014382,-0.017095,0.008037,0.001356,-0.009278,-0.004191
Anatolia_Barcin_N:I0746,0.120652,0.180764,0.011691 ,-0.093024,0.048317,-0.043507,-0.012691,-0.010615,0.034565,0.078726,0.010393,0.009591,-0.023786,0.006606,-0.048316,-0.027844,0.005607,0.004054,0.012947,-0.017383,-0.013102,0.011005,-0.006532,-0.005543,-0.002036
Anatolia_Barcin_N:I1096,0.120652,0.184826,0.008297 ,-0.101745,0.051702,-0.044344,-0.005405,-0.003692,0.039473,0.0831,0.010718,0.017385,-0.02438,0.006331,-0.043702,-0.0179,0.025946,-0.00076,0.012821,-0.005878,-0.015722,0.00507,-0.005793,0.007832,-0.016406
Anatolia_Barcin_N:I1097,0.120652,0.18178,-0.001886,-0.106591,0.054472,-0.048527,-0.00611,-0.007615,0.038246,0.084922,0.008769,0.014687,-0.022894,0.000413,-0.048859,-0.006629,0.021383,0.003421,0.013952,-0.015257,-0.013975,0.005441,-0.011462,-0.009158,-0.002515
Anatolia_Barcin_N:I1098,0.114961,0.179749,-0.004148,-0.092701,0.040931,-0.045459,-0.001175,-0.010846,0.030883,0.068703,0.009743,0.007044,-0.019623,0.000688,-0.044381,-0.001326,0.032987,0.003294,0.006788,-0.001501,-0.01148,0.007914,0.007025,-0.002771,-0.00958
Anatolia_Barcin_N:I1099,0.111547,0.19092,0.001508,-0.0969,0.055395,-0.04518,0.003525,-0.010615,0.037223,0.077997,0.006171,0.01124,-0.020515,0.00289,-0.039902,-0.016309,0.021644,0.00266,0.013324,-0.007504,-0.003868,0.002844,0.002588,-0.003012,-0.006347
Anatolia_Barcin_N:I1100,0.112685,0.17264,-0.001131,-0.084949,0.049855,-0.054384,-0.00705,-0.002308,0.042132,0.088749,-0.003573,0.008692,-0.02557,-0.006881,-0.040173,-0.00769,0.031553,-0.00266,0.007793,-0.01063,-0.023708,-0.00136,0.003574,-0.003253,-0.001557
Anatolia_Barcin_N:I1101,0.114961,0.179749,0.006411 ,-0.100776,0.054779,-0.043786,-0.00094,-0.000462,0.042541,0.078544,0.005684,0.008692,-0.023042,0.007432,-0.034744,-0.010209,0.01682,0.003927,0.018729,-0.006378,-0.020713,0.004575,-0.000616,-0.003133,-0.010179
Anatolia_Barcin_N:I1102,0.106994,0.170609,0.00528,-0.097546,0.059703,-0.045459,-0.003995,-0.007846,0.030474,0.08474,0.005196,0.010041,-0.029732,-0.006193,-0.031759,0.001856,0.029597,0.002154,0.013073,-0.008754,-0.009109,0.010634,-0.003821,-0.003856,-0.002634
Anatolia_Barcin_N:I1103,0.112685,0.169593,-0.006411,-0.10013,0.044008,-0.046854,-0.00705,-0.005538,0.039269,0.075992,0.011367,0.013638,-0.02215,-0.005505,-0.036644,-0.01127,0.019427,-0.002027,0.010559,-0.008004,-0.016346,0.005564,-0.011216,-0.009278,-0.006945
Anatolia_Barcin_N:I1580,0.127482,0.182795,-0.003017,-0.103037,0.052317,-0.04769,-0.008695,-0.012692,0.040496,0.076904,0.007307,0.014987,-0.020961,-0.003716,-0.043159,0.001724,0.035986,-0.001647,0.006788,-0.009254,-0.010357,-0.001731,0.000246,-0.000482,-0.010298
Anatolia_Barcin_N:I1581,0.113823,0.175687,0.001131 ,-0.110467,0.057241,-0.045459,-0.003995,-0.008077,0.040905,0.084558,0.004222,0.013488,-0.02215,-0.000826,-0.04248,0.003978,0.040549,0.004687,0.005405,-0.005628,-0.010731,0.00643,-0.013557,0.003494,-0.000958
Anatolia_Barcin_N:I1583,0.119514,0.180764,0.00264,-0.10756,0.048932,-0.051037,-0.010575,-0.008769,0.035792,0.087656,0.012342,0.012139,-0.023786,0.005092,-0.036644,-0.006497,0.020861,0.002534,0.011816,-0.003877,-0.011729,0.004822,0.001232,-0.006748,-0.00491
Baltic_LVA_HG:I4432,0.135449,0.100537,0.188937,0.2 1092,0.110174,0.063587,0.011986,0.023768,0.055221,-0.016219,-0.004709,-0.021281,0.029137,-0.008395,0.039223,0.046141,0.002086,0.007348,-0.005154,0.04252,0.058771,0.008037,-0.029949,-0.119053,0.013771
Baltic_LVA_HG:I4434,0.122929,0.099522,0.185543,0.2 08013,0.104327,0.055499,0.013866,0.025153,0.055835 ,-0.02278,-0.003085,-0.018434,0.032111,-0.006055,0.035152,0.046937,0.005346,0.000253,-0.006285,0.046522,0.060269,0.019043,-0.015283,-0.111582,0.008622
Baltic_LVA_HG:I4438,0.12862,0.103584,0.175738,0.19 7354,0.104019,0.052989,0.007285,0.02123,0.044177,-0.029887,-0.000325,-0.019183,0.026759,-0.007432,0.034609,0.052108,-0.000261,0.007981,-0.006285,0.045522,0.059395,0.013973,-0.02884,-0.102424,0.012095
Baltic_LVA_HG:I4439,0.130897,0.102568,0.182149,0.1 97354,0.116945,0.055499,0.00799,0.020768,0.061562,-0.019681,-0.016401,-0.014387,0.030921,-0.003303,0.038816,0.05529,0.008605,0.004307,-0.01257,0.040644,0.072622,0.01422,-0.030689,-0.123391,0.003712
Baltic_LVA_HG:I4440,0.124067,0.109677,0.171213,0.1 91863,0.103096,0.0502,0.009635,0.021691,0.054403,-0.029704,-0.006171,-0.010341,0.028097,0.005918,0.02823,0.041633,-0.007302,0.009755,-0.004274,0.043271,0.058023,0.013107,-0.025266,-0.10857,0.007065
Baltic_LVA_HG:I4441,0.135449,0.093429,0.171967,0.1 88633,0.101557,0.049921,0.0047,0.020307,0.042336,-0.030433,-0.006008,-0.018284,0.026313,-0.00812,0.030673,0.039644,0.008605,-0.0019,-0.011061,0.042145,0.052782,0.022505,-0.024403,-0.105316,0.009939
Baltic_LVA_HG:I4550,0.130897,0.1046,0.184789,0.200 907,0.125562,0.059125,0.009165,0.03046,0.069334,-0.020957,-0.005359,-0.017534,0.023786,-0.002064,0.045738,0.061124,0.005346,0.006334,-0.006159,0.044771,0.072497,0.00643,-0.031551,-0.130862,0.012813
Baltic_LVA_HG:I4551,0.132035,0.09546,0.178378,0.19 5739,0.09294,0.057173,0.002115,0.019384,0.050108,-0.03098,-0.003085,-0.014537,0.027651,-0.020781,0.040988,0.044948,0.003651,0.007981,-0.002011,0.043521,0.057523,0.00643,-0.02465,-0.099171,0.003952
Baltic_LVA_HG:I4552,0.135449,0.098506,0.185543,0.1 96385,0.10802,0.056894,0.0094,0.020768,0.048063,-0.027153,-0.004709,-0.020682,0.028989,-0.003716,0.03298,0.049854,0.008996,0.006461,0.0003 77,0.045272,0.063263,0.01422,-0.029826,-0.10869,0.009939
Baltic_LVA_HG:I4553,0.129758,0.100537,0.181395,0.1 99615,0.114483,0.051316,0.015981,0.021691,0.05379,-0.02278,-0.008444,-0.02218,0.028692,0,0.042345,0.057146,0.003651,-0.000253,0.001885,0.04102,0.061267,0.01793,-0.026375,-0.113992,0.007903
Baltic_LVA_HG:I4595,0.126344,0.093429,0.179887,0.1 87341,0.109559,0.055499,0.002585,0.023076,0.054608 ,-0.01549,-0.005521,-0.02218,0.027948,0.000963,0.033116,0.05224,0.01160 4,-0.001774,-0.007416,0.04202,0.063887,0.007048,-0.02354,-0.113631,0.015208
Baltic_LVA_HG:I4596,0.12862,0.098506,0.18592,0.191 863,0.118791,0.058288,0.0094,0.019615,0.058085,-0.028064,0.004222,-0.020082,0.028394,-0.011285,0.031623,0.049456,0.005215,0.00076,-0.003897,0.042896,0.06788,0.008408,-0.033277,-0.116281,0.006347
Baltic_LVA_HG:I4626,0.121791,0.114755,0.184412,0.2 00584,0.110482,0.063308,0.002585,0.023537,0.05604,-0.017495,-0.007632,-0.017085,0.020664,0.010046,0.042345,0.036727,-0.008475,0.007728,-0.017221,0.039894,0.068754,0.027327,-0.035495,-0.136766,0.015208
Baltic_LVA_HG:I4628,0.127482,0.098506,0.177247,0.2 03491,0.108328,0.051595,0.013161,0.011538,0.048677 ,-0.032985,-0.002598,-0.020232,0.028543,0.002064,0.029858,0.040175,-0.008736,0.009628,-0.005656,0.04152,0.062265,0.00643,-0.016145,-0.107847,0.016765
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Yamnaya_RUS_Kalmykia:RISE552,0.106994,0.089367,0.0 35826,0.106914,-0.034468,0.052431,0.00564,-0.000462,-0.060335,-0.081824,-0.002761,0.001199,-0.001041,-0.025323,0.028501,0.019093,0.001565,-0.006334,-0.002891,0.013256,-0.000998,0.002226,0.010723,0.023256,-0.00479
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Yamnaya_RUS_Samara:I0370,0.124067,0.08632,0.049403 ,0.111759,-0.027697,0.044623,0.00517,-0.000462,-0.066061,-0.066516,-0.002436,-0.00015,0.000297,-0.025735,0.03868,0.013789,0.000782,-0.000127,-0.005154,0.015758,0.001622,-0.0115,0.007025,0.021328,-0.003952
Yamnaya_RUS_Samara:I0429,0.130897,0.088351,0.04412 3,0.126617,-0.030467,0.050758,0.005875,0.003,-0.059516,-0.075992,0.000974,-0.008992,0.002081,-0.018717,0.039359,0.020949,0.004955,-0.000887,0.003897,0.022636,-0.005615,0.000495,0.020089,0.018798,-0.013651
Yamnaya_RUS_Samara:I0438,0.126344,0.085304,0.04261 5,0.122741,-0.032929,0.048806,-0.002115,0.002077,-0.068925,-0.080548,0.00065,0.002548,-0.00892,-0.029176,0.032437,0.011668,0.002347,-0.005068,-0.006285,0.018009,-0.00025,0.001731,0.021199,0.021328,-0.007185
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Target: DacoCeltic_scaled
Distance: 1.9444% / 0.01944360
36.4 POL_Globular_Amphora
35.6 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
18.6 Anatolia_Barcin_N
9.4 Yamnaya_RUS_Kalmykia


Target: DacoCeltic_scaled
Distance: 2.3369% / 0.02336880 | ADC: 0.25x
47.2 POL_Globular_Amphora
20.6 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
18.4 Yamnaya_RUS_Kalmykia
13.8 Anatolia_Barcin_C

porpozontokonto
01-20-2020, 09:12 PM
Doesn't matter who cucked who first, eventually they got wiped out by R1 steppe chads anyways.

https://i.imgur.com/da4zqD5.jpg

Dick
01-20-2020, 09:19 PM
Doesn't matter who cucked who first, eventually they got wiped out by R1 steppe chads anyways.

https://i.imgur.com/da4zqD5.jpg

They were probably killed by a rival group or tribe. The GAC grave predates Steppe invasions


https://www.ancient-origins.net/news-history-archaeology/koszyce-burial-0011874

War Chef
01-20-2020, 09:21 PM
30% of neolithic blood in England, it's pretty huge...

I think the big winner are the Indo-Europeans and the Neolithic farmers, the WHG are the losers.

Why doesn't anyone ever talk about how Indo-Europeans were mostly EHG themselves, which is in turn the reason why Norwegians/Finns/Estonians come out as the most "Yamanya" related, because Yamnaya were similar to WHG's albeit some southern CHG stuff

War Chef
01-20-2020, 09:26 PM
All the neolithic noble lines were I, look at all the tombs.


Yes I agree. Not being a male I'm not being a rooster about this. :) I just find it interesting that the farmers in the North had a HG ydna.

https://otod.files.wordpress.com/2011/11/rooster-crowing-22.jpg

Neolithic farmers being fanatical animists would've willingly appointed blue eyed Mesolithics, because their blue eyes were thought to be magical, kind of similar to Cortez in the new world but with blue eyes (the color of water, which was very sacred to Neolithic farmers as their settlements were exclusively located on rivers). So, It wasn't that Mesolithics conquered them in any way (lol, lets not even get into the demographics) it was just a social status thing.

War Chef
01-20-2020, 09:33 PM
this was disproven, Anatolian farmers were a thing of their own, and they spread from there and "conquered" whg's to the west and some proto-Natufians to the south

Even the tree branches show WHG and EEF closely related, or at least splitting very recently. Where do you think WHG's came from when they were in Spain and the Balkans waiting for the ice to melt? They came from Anatolia but had been in Europe for long enough that they became distinct seperate group, but nothing insanely long (10 or 20 thousand years).

Grace O'Malley
01-20-2020, 09:40 PM
Target: DacoCeltic_scaled
Distance: 1.9444% / 0.01944360
36.4 POL_Globular_Amphora
35.6 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
18.6 Anatolia_Barcin_N
9.4 Yamnaya_RUS_Kalmykia


Target: DacoCeltic_scaled
Distance: 2.3369% / 0.02336880 | ADC: 0.25x
47.2 POL_Globular_Amphora
20.6 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
18.4 Yamnaya_RUS_Kalmykia
13.8 Anatolia_Barcin_C

It's interesting that you get both GAC and Barcin. If GAC is there I don't get any Barcin. I think it is because Bell Beakers that came to UK/Ireland got their farmer component from GAC. Well I think that's already well known.

Grace O'Malley
01-20-2020, 09:43 PM
Neolithic farmers being fanatical animists would've willingly appointed blue eyed Mesolithics, because their blue eyes were thought to be magical, kind of similar to Cortez in the new world but with blue eyes (the color of water, which was very sacred to Neolithic farmers as their settlements were exclusively located on rivers). So, It wasn't that Mesolithics conquered them in any way (lol, lets not even get into the demographics) it was just a social status thing.

So the ladies liked those baby blues. :) It is an interesting question though and as Daco said I'm sure demographics played their part as well. Still no other ydna but I so what happened to the farmer males?

Dick
01-20-2020, 09:44 PM
It's interesting that you get both GAC and Barcin. If GAC is there I don't get any Barcin. I think it is because Bell Beakers that came to UK/Ireland got their farmer component from GAC. Well I think that's already well known.




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Target: Grace_scaled
Distance: 3.1516% / 0.03151643
54.6 Corded_Ware_Baltic_early
28.6 POL_Globular_Amphora
16.8 UKR_Globular_Amphora

War Chef
01-20-2020, 09:45 PM
https://anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?16774-Gedmatch-results-of-an-Anatolian-Hunter-Gatherer

Clust very close to Sardinians...


yep
all of Europe was once Sardinian-like

As I've been saying for ages but got laughed at here. Sardinians are just the same as modern Anatolians/Levant, only I thought it was genetic drift when it's actually something else that Davidski describes here:

https://i.imgur.com/i6XRc9s.png

War Chef
01-20-2020, 10:10 PM
https://anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?16774-Gedmatch-results-of-an-Anatolian-Hunter-Gatherer

Clust very close to Sardinians...


So the ladies liked those baby blues. :) It is an interesting question though and as Daco said I'm sure demographics played their part as well. Still no other ydna but I so what happened to the farmer males?

I'd like to know as well. It definitley wasn't war with the scantly populated Mesolithics. The only threat to farmers was other farmers themselves, as evidenced by the herxheim mass genocide LBK culture site:


The human remains were primarily shattered and dispersed within the pits, rarely intact or in anatomical position. Using a quantification process known as "minimum number of individuals" (MNI), researchers concluded that the site contained at least 500 individual humans ranging from newborns to the elderly.[1] However, "since the area excavated corresponds to barely half the enclosure, we can assume that in fact more than 1000 individuals were involved".[1] The deposition of the human remains occurred only within the final 50 years of occupation at the site.

A 2009[1] study confirmed many findings from the 2006 study, but added new information. In just one pit deposit, this study found 1906 bones and bone fragments from at least 10 individuals ranging from newborns to adults. At least 359 individual skeletal elements were identified. This in-depth study revealed many more cut, impact, and bite marks made upon the skulls and post-cranial skeletal elements.[1] It was apparent that parts of the humans' bodies were singled out for their marrow content, suggesting cannibalization (see Hypotheses).

Of particular note from both studies[1][2] was the peculiar treatment of the humans' skulls. Many skulls were treated in a similar manner: skulls were struck on "the sagittal line, splitting faces, mandibles, and skull caps into symmetrical halves".[2] A few skulls were clearly skinned prior to being struck, again, all in the same manner: "horizontal cuts above the orbits, vertical cuts along the sagittal suture, and oblique cuts in the parietals".[2]

The vault of the skull was preserved and shaped into what is referred to as a calotte (calvarium). During this process the brain, which is a source of dietary fat, may have been extracted. Additionally, a later study revealed that the tongues of humans were removed.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herxheim_(archaeological_site)

Dick
01-20-2020, 10:20 PM
So the ladies liked those baby blues. :) It is an interesting question though and as Daco said I'm sure demographics played their part as well. Still no other ydna but I so what happened to the farmer males?

According to British anthropologists there were only a few thousand Hunter gatherers in Stone Age Britain. The ratio of women to men was probably high also.








As I've been saying for ages but got laughed at here. Sardinians are just the same as modern Anatolians/Levant, only I thought it was genetic drift when it's actually something else that Davidski describes here:

https://i.imgur.com/i6XRc9s.png

I believe the scientists from a Uni, in that case we all plot more eastern than expected also due to Eastern Steppe as well then?

andre
01-20-2020, 10:23 PM
For me the distance is not so good

Target: Andrei_scaled
Distance: 4.3452% / 0.04345160 | ADC: 0.25x
35.0 Anatolia_Barcin_N
25.4 POL_Globular_Amphora
22.2 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
17.4 Yamnaya_RUS_Kalmykia

Target: Andrei_scaled
Distance: 3.9100% / 0.03910049
53.4 Anatolia_Barcin_N
24.0 Yamnaya_RUS_Kalmykia
12.4 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
10.2 Baltic_LVA_HG

Imperator Biff
01-20-2020, 10:30 PM
Anyone want to try these samples?


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Anatolia_Barcin_N:I1581,0.113823,0.175687,0.001131 ,-0.110467,0.057241,-0.045459,-0.003995,-0.008077,0.040905,0.084558,0.004222,0.013488,-0.02215,-0.000826,-0.04248,0.003978,0.040549,0.004687,0.005405,-0.005628,-0.010731,0.00643,-0.013557,0.003494,-0.000958
Anatolia_Barcin_N:I1583,0.119514,0.180764,0.00264,-0.10756,0.048932,-0.051037,-0.010575,-0.008769,0.035792,0.087656,0.012342,0.012139,-0.023786,0.005092,-0.036644,-0.006497,0.020861,0.002534,0.011816,-0.003877,-0.011729,0.004822,0.001232,-0.006748,-0.00491
Baltic_LVA_HG:I4432,0.135449,0.100537,0.188937,0.2 1092,0.110174,0.063587,0.011986,0.023768,0.055221,-0.016219,-0.004709,-0.021281,0.029137,-0.008395,0.039223,0.046141,0.002086,0.007348,-0.005154,0.04252,0.058771,0.008037,-0.029949,-0.119053,0.013771
Baltic_LVA_HG:I4434,0.122929,0.099522,0.185543,0.2 08013,0.104327,0.055499,0.013866,0.025153,0.055835 ,-0.02278,-0.003085,-0.018434,0.032111,-0.006055,0.035152,0.046937,0.005346,0.000253,-0.006285,0.046522,0.060269,0.019043,-0.015283,-0.111582,0.008622
Baltic_LVA_HG:I4438,0.12862,0.103584,0.175738,0.19 7354,0.104019,0.052989,0.007285,0.02123,0.044177,-0.029887,-0.000325,-0.019183,0.026759,-0.007432,0.034609,0.052108,-0.000261,0.007981,-0.006285,0.045522,0.059395,0.013973,-0.02884,-0.102424,0.012095
Baltic_LVA_HG:I4439,0.130897,0.102568,0.182149,0.1 97354,0.116945,0.055499,0.00799,0.020768,0.061562,-0.019681,-0.016401,-0.014387,0.030921,-0.003303,0.038816,0.05529,0.008605,0.004307,-0.01257,0.040644,0.072622,0.01422,-0.030689,-0.123391,0.003712
Baltic_LVA_HG:I4440,0.124067,0.109677,0.171213,0.1 91863,0.103096,0.0502,0.009635,0.021691,0.054403,-0.029704,-0.006171,-0.010341,0.028097,0.005918,0.02823,0.041633,-0.007302,0.009755,-0.004274,0.043271,0.058023,0.013107,-0.025266,-0.10857,0.007065
Baltic_LVA_HG:I4441,0.135449,0.093429,0.171967,0.1 88633,0.101557,0.049921,0.0047,0.020307,0.042336,-0.030433,-0.006008,-0.018284,0.026313,-0.00812,0.030673,0.039644,0.008605,-0.0019,-0.011061,0.042145,0.052782,0.022505,-0.024403,-0.105316,0.009939
Baltic_LVA_HG:I4550,0.130897,0.1046,0.184789,0.200 907,0.125562,0.059125,0.009165,0.03046,0.069334,-0.020957,-0.005359,-0.017534,0.023786,-0.002064,0.045738,0.061124,0.005346,0.006334,-0.006159,0.044771,0.072497,0.00643,-0.031551,-0.130862,0.012813
Baltic_LVA_HG:I4551,0.132035,0.09546,0.178378,0.19 5739,0.09294,0.057173,0.002115,0.019384,0.050108,-0.03098,-0.003085,-0.014537,0.027651,-0.020781,0.040988,0.044948,0.003651,0.007981,-0.002011,0.043521,0.057523,0.00643,-0.02465,-0.099171,0.003952
Baltic_LVA_HG:I4552,0.135449,0.098506,0.185543,0.1 96385,0.10802,0.056894,0.0094,0.020768,0.048063,-0.027153,-0.004709,-0.020682,0.028989,-0.003716,0.03298,0.049854,0.008996,0.006461,0.0003 77,0.045272,0.063263,0.01422,-0.029826,-0.10869,0.009939
Baltic_LVA_HG:I4553,0.129758,0.100537,0.181395,0.1 99615,0.114483,0.051316,0.015981,0.021691,0.05379,-0.02278,-0.008444,-0.02218,0.028692,0,0.042345,0.057146,0.003651,-0.000253,0.001885,0.04102,0.061267,0.01793,-0.026375,-0.113992,0.007903
Baltic_LVA_HG:I4595,0.126344,0.093429,0.179887,0.1 87341,0.109559,0.055499,0.002585,0.023076,0.054608 ,-0.01549,-0.005521,-0.02218,0.027948,0.000963,0.033116,0.05224,0.01160 4,-0.001774,-0.007416,0.04202,0.063887,0.007048,-0.02354,-0.113631,0.015208
Baltic_LVA_HG:I4596,0.12862,0.098506,0.18592,0.191 863,0.118791,0.058288,0.0094,0.019615,0.058085,-0.028064,0.004222,-0.020082,0.028394,-0.011285,0.031623,0.049456,0.005215,0.00076,-0.003897,0.042896,0.06788,0.008408,-0.033277,-0.116281,0.006347
Baltic_LVA_HG:I4626,0.121791,0.114755,0.184412,0.2 00584,0.110482,0.063308,0.002585,0.023537,0.05604,-0.017495,-0.007632,-0.017085,0.020664,0.010046,0.042345,0.036727,-0.008475,0.007728,-0.017221,0.039894,0.068754,0.027327,-0.035495,-0.136766,0.015208
Baltic_LVA_HG:I4628,0.127482,0.098506,0.177247,0.2 03491,0.108328,0.051595,0.013161,0.011538,0.048677 ,-0.032985,-0.002598,-0.020232,0.028543,0.002064,0.029858,0.040175,-0.008736,0.009628,-0.005656,0.04152,0.062265,0.00643,-0.016145,-0.107847,0.016765
Baltic_LVA_HG:I4630,0.124067,0.08632,0.167819,0.19 8,0.07386,0.057173,0.00423,0.005307,0.036405,-0.042461,0.004384,-0.009142,0.033597,-0.024634,0.02253,0.041766,0.00013,0.00114,-0.006913,0.036518,0.039805,0.013973,-0.016022,-0.075312,-0.002874
Baltic_LVA_HG:I4632,0.134311,0.106631,0.183281,0.1 87664,0.100634,0.059404,0.009635,0.023076,0.050517 ,-0.031162,-0.009419,-0.024278,0.028692,-0.009221,0.040988,0.053036,0.010691,-0.00038,-0.002137,0.039144,0.062639,0.009769,-0.029456,-0.103991,0.013053
Yamnaya_RUS_Kalmykia:RISE240,0.118376,0.085304,0.0 46009,0.111759,-0.022466,0.029005,0.008225,-0.000692,-0.050722,-0.061231,-0.000487,0.003147,0.001189,-0.026148,0.03393,0.004773,0.011995,-0.007981,-0.005908,0.020385,-0.011979,-0.001237,0.013064,0.024461,0.008861
Yamnaya_RUS_Kalmykia:RISE546,0.106994,0.090382,0.0 58454,0.121126,-0.03139,0.04769,0.00188,-0.002769,-0.065243,-0.087291,-0.00341,0.000899,-0.000892,-0.023671,0.007057,0.011138,0.006258,0.005194,0,0.0 01501,-0.004118,-0.006801,0.029456,0.032053,-0.016645
Yamnaya_RUS_Kalmykia:RISE547,0.119514,0.097491,0.0 45632,0.117896,-0.028005,0.038766,0.00517,-0.003692,-0.043359,-0.067974,-0.00406,0.001649,0.000743,-0.025598,0.035287,0.00411,-0.016168,0.002027,0.010056,0.006878,-0.003993,0.002226,0.007025,0.018316,-0.007424
Yamnaya_RUS_Kalmykia:RISE550,0.124067,0.097491,0.0 46763,0.107237,-0.02185,0.042391,0.00094,-0.010615,-0.050313,-0.073441,0.006008,-0.004646,-0.005054,-0.01734,0.034473,0.01896,0.002477,-0.005701,0.002514,0.009254,-0.000125,0.00643,0.020952,0.01699,0.002275
Yamnaya_RUS_Kalmykia:RISE552,0.106994,0.089367,0.0 35826,0.106914,-0.034468,0.052431,0.00564,-0.000462,-0.060335,-0.081824,-0.002761,0.001199,-0.001041,-0.025323,0.028501,0.019093,0.001565,-0.006334,-0.002891,0.013256,-0.000998,0.002226,0.010723,0.023256,-0.00479
Yamnaya_RUS_Samara:I0231,0.122929,0.082258,0.04487 7,0.113697,-0.033852,0.046575,0,-0.006,-0.051949,-0.072165,0.007307,0.001049,0.003271,-0.022708,0.029994,0.018297,0.005998,-0.003547,-0.00176,0.011005,-0.003244,0,-0.001725,0.013616,-0.000838
Yamnaya_RUS_Samara:I0357,0.126344,0.092413,0.03808 9,0.107883,-0.029852,0.039324,0.00564,-0.008077,-0.043768,-0.065605,-0.001137,-0.00015,-0.003568,-0.024772,0.035287,0.01896,0.00013,0.003167,-0.005279,0.004877,0.003619,0.006925,0.008504,0.012 532,-0.005269
Yamnaya_RUS_Samara:I0370,0.124067,0.08632,0.049403 ,0.111759,-0.027697,0.044623,0.00517,-0.000462,-0.066061,-0.066516,-0.002436,-0.00015,0.000297,-0.025735,0.03868,0.013789,0.000782,-0.000127,-0.005154,0.015758,0.001622,-0.0115,0.007025,0.021328,-0.003952
Yamnaya_RUS_Samara:I0429,0.130897,0.088351,0.04412 3,0.126617,-0.030467,0.050758,0.005875,0.003,-0.059516,-0.075992,0.000974,-0.008992,0.002081,-0.018717,0.039359,0.020949,0.004955,-0.000887,0.003897,0.022636,-0.005615,0.000495,0.020089,0.018798,-0.013651
Yamnaya_RUS_Samara:I0438,0.126344,0.085304,0.04261 5,0.122741,-0.032929,0.048806,-0.002115,0.002077,-0.068925,-0.080548,0.00065,0.002548,-0.00892,-0.029176,0.032437,0.011668,0.002347,-0.005068,-0.006285,0.018009,-0.00025,0.001731,0.021199,0.021328,-0.007185
Yamnaya_RUS_Samara:I0439,0.127482,0.096475,0.03733 5,0.117896,-0.017542,0.038487,0.00329,-0.006,-0.052154,-0.057587,0.001949,-0.000599,-0.007582,-0.02257,0.038273,0.016441,-0.002217,-0.004941,-0.00352,0.018634,-0.001996,0.00643,0.015529,0.02663,-0.00934
Yamnaya_RUS_Samara:I0443,0.124067,0.093429,0.03997 5,0.108206,-0.027082,0.045459,0.003995,-0.007154,-0.052563,-0.081642,0.001299,-3e-04,0.000595,-0.016515,0.044923,0.003978,-0.014212,-0.001394,-0.003771,0.013006,0.00262,0.000247,0.003944,0.0189 18,0.002036
Yamnaya_RUS_Samara:I0444,0.125205,0.08632,0.045632 ,0.119188,-0.024928,0.047969,0.00564,-0.001154,-0.050108,-0.073259,0.002598,0.002847,0,-0.042663,0.029451,0.022938,-0.000522,0.003294,-0.010307,0.013131,-0.015098,0.004204,0.010846,0.016267,0.003952
Yamnaya_RUS_Samara:I7489,0.122929,0.090382,0.04223 8,0.110144,-0.03416,0.043507,0.004935,0.000692,-0.058085,-0.082735,0.005196,0.004046,-0.010406,-0.006881,0.041123,0.01485,-0.008345,-0.006588,-0.002388,0.006878,-0.010232,-0.001731,0.014173,0.018075,-0.006586
POL_Globular_Amphora:I2403,0.12862,0.158423,0.0720 3,-0.008721,0.090786,-0.023706,0.004935,0.006461,0.04929,0.066516,0.0056 84,0.013488,-0.018731,-0.016102,-0.013843,0.01127,0.021253,0.001774,0.00352,0.00325 2,0.00861,0.004204,-0.00949,-0.019521,-0.00012
POL_Globular_Amphora:I2433,0.126344,0.171624,0.055 06,-0.019703,0.084939,-0.023427,-0.00329,0.006923,0.05379,0.075992,-0.006658,0.01169,-0.023042,-0.014313,-0.0057,0.000928,0.007693,0.007981,0.003017,0.00125 1,0.010107,0.01286,-0.012695,-0.022413,-0.006706
POL_Globular_Amphora:I2441,0.129758,0.178733,0.055 437,-0.024871,0.084631,-0.022311,0.001645,0.006461,0.057471,0.082188,-0.001137,0.012589,-0.022596,-0.012661,-0.000814,0.005967,0.001695,0.004814,0.008673,0.000 125,0.006613,0.003833,-0.008011,-0.019521,0.001557
POL_Globular_Amphora:N38,0.124067,0.164516,0.06147 1,-0.020026,0.085247,-0.012271,0.006345,0.003461,0.049904,0.07253,-0.001461,0.009442,-0.018731,-0.004404,-0.013436,-0.007558,0.008866,0.009375,0.004777,0.000875,0,0.0 08532,-0.009983,-0.02169,-0.000599

This is my result.

Target: Grace_scaled
Distance: 2.7820% / 0.02781968
48.6 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
45.4 POL_Globular_Amphora
6.0 Baltic_LVA_HG

Taking out GAC this is my result.

Target: Grace_scaled
Distance: 3.8125% / 0.03812539
45.2 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
34.2 Anatolia_Barcin_N
20.6 Baltic_LVA_HG

Taking out the Baltic HG this is what I got.

Target: Grace_scaled
Distance: 6.7420% / 0.06742029
65.4 Yamnaya_RUS
34.6 Anatolia_Barcin_N

Target: Grace_scaled
Distance: 6.7420% / 0.06742029
43.8 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
34.6 Anatolia_Barcin_N
21.6 Yamnaya_RUS_Kalmykia

Forgot to add WHG.


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Anatolia_Barcin_N:I0707,0.122929,0.184826,0.001886 ,-0.110144,0.054779,-0.048527,0.00141,-0.011769,0.036201,0.08474,0.011205,0.016335,-0.021704,0.002615,-0.038409,-0.014187,0.022817,0.00114,0.012947,-0.002751,-0.011979,0.009645,-0.008627,0.001566,-0.001676
Anatolia_Barcin_N:I0708,0.119514,0.173656,-0.003017,-0.101745,0.042469,-0.046854,-0.00094,-0.012692,0.021066,0.074717,0.009419,0.009142,-0.017691,0.000963,-0.041938,-0.007955,0.024121,0.000633,0.015209,-0.013882,-0.022336,0.008903,-0.012448,-0.012652,-0.007305
Anatolia_Barcin_N:I0709,0.119514,0.19092,0.008674,-0.108206,0.050163,-0.044065,-0.00282,-0.003923,0.038655,0.088202,0.006983,0.012289,-0.023488,0.001789,-0.042345,-0.023999,0.002347,-0.003674,0.011941,-0.019759,-0.006239,0.012242,-0.000616,-0.00723,-0.002994
Anatolia_Barcin_N:I0723,0.118376,0.178733,0.009805 ,-0.103037,0.057241,-0.05773,0.003525,0.000462,0.041518,0.080548,0.0016 24,0.004946,-0.027056,-0.005643,-0.043702,-0.006762,0.03729,0.00152,0.017975,-0.009254,-0.015473,0.002968,0.006779,-0.00012,-0.006227
Anatolia_Barcin_N:I0724,0.117238,0.168578,0.018856 ,-0.10013,0.052933,-0.047969,-0.00094,-0.004384,0.031088,0.075446,0.008931,0.01139,-0.017691,-0.003303,-0.045059,0.001989,0.041853,0.012922,0.020363,-0.009755,-0.018717,0.004699,-0.007518,-0.001928,-0.008023
Anatolia_Barcin_N:I0726,0.120652,0.180764,0.00264,-0.104653,0.053548,-0.054663,-0.005875,-0.002308,0.035383,0.088749,0.009743,0.015586,-0.027651,0.006881,-0.040716,-0.037655,-0.001825,0.002914,0.0225,-0.015382,-0.013351,0.007666,-0.004683,0.00253,0.006945
Anatolia_Barcin_N:I0727,0.114961,0.185842,0.004525 ,-0.103683,0.036314,-0.053547,-0.00141,-0.008077,0.031088,0.077633,0.005846,0.01109,-0.031813,0.00055,-0.056052,-0.010607,0.022817,0.009122,0.032807,-0.015007,-0.017968,0.005441,-0.016022,-0.007953,0.008023
Anatolia_Barcin_N:I0736,0.119514,0.183811,0.006788 ,-0.091732,0.049855,-0.049921,-0.0047,-0.006,0.04295,0.077815,0.012829,0.013338,-0.020961,-0.011423,-0.04058,0.005701,0.033248,-0.007475,0.007793,-0.007003,-0.016097,0.006306,-0.005916,-0.000964,-0.007544
Anatolia_Barcin_N:I0744,0.119514,0.186857,0.009428 ,-0.107883,0.058472,-0.052989,-0.00987,-0.01223,0.03027,0.082371,0.010393,0.01139,-0.031813,0.003441,-0.048045,-0.011668,0.022426,0.000633,0.005279,-0.007253,-0.012852,-0.000124,-0.004683,0.002289,0.001796
Anatolia_Barcin_N:I0745,0.118376,0.178733,-0.002263,-0.098838,0.049548,-0.046575,-0.010105,-0.002538,0.036814,0.075628,0.010068,0.014237,-0.017542,0.00812,-0.035966,-0.020949,0.005346,0.006334,0.020489,-0.014382,-0.017095,0.008037,0.001356,-0.009278,-0.004191
Anatolia_Barcin_N:I0746,0.120652,0.180764,0.011691 ,-0.093024,0.048317,-0.043507,-0.012691,-0.010615,0.034565,0.078726,0.010393,0.009591,-0.023786,0.006606,-0.048316,-0.027844,0.005607,0.004054,0.012947,-0.017383,-0.013102,0.011005,-0.006532,-0.005543,-0.002036
Anatolia_Barcin_N:I1096,0.120652,0.184826,0.008297 ,-0.101745,0.051702,-0.044344,-0.005405,-0.003692,0.039473,0.0831,0.010718,0.017385,-0.02438,0.006331,-0.043702,-0.0179,0.025946,-0.00076,0.012821,-0.005878,-0.015722,0.00507,-0.005793,0.007832,-0.016406
Anatolia_Barcin_N:I1097,0.120652,0.18178,-0.001886,-0.106591,0.054472,-0.048527,-0.00611,-0.007615,0.038246,0.084922,0.008769,0.014687,-0.022894,0.000413,-0.048859,-0.006629,0.021383,0.003421,0.013952,-0.015257,-0.013975,0.005441,-0.011462,-0.009158,-0.002515
Anatolia_Barcin_N:I1098,0.114961,0.179749,-0.004148,-0.092701,0.040931,-0.045459,-0.001175,-0.010846,0.030883,0.068703,0.009743,0.007044,-0.019623,0.000688,-0.044381,-0.001326,0.032987,0.003294,0.006788,-0.001501,-0.01148,0.007914,0.007025,-0.002771,-0.00958
Anatolia_Barcin_N:I1099,0.111547,0.19092,0.001508,-0.0969,0.055395,-0.04518,0.003525,-0.010615,0.037223,0.077997,0.006171,0.01124,-0.020515,0.00289,-0.039902,-0.016309,0.021644,0.00266,0.013324,-0.007504,-0.003868,0.002844,0.002588,-0.003012,-0.006347
Anatolia_Barcin_N:I1100,0.112685,0.17264,-0.001131,-0.084949,0.049855,-0.054384,-0.00705,-0.002308,0.042132,0.088749,-0.003573,0.008692,-0.02557,-0.006881,-0.040173,-0.00769,0.031553,-0.00266,0.007793,-0.01063,-0.023708,-0.00136,0.003574,-0.003253,-0.001557
Anatolia_Barcin_N:I1101,0.114961,0.179749,0.006411 ,-0.100776,0.054779,-0.043786,-0.00094,-0.000462,0.042541,0.078544,0.005684,0.008692,-0.023042,0.007432,-0.034744,-0.010209,0.01682,0.003927,0.018729,-0.006378,-0.020713,0.004575,-0.000616,-0.003133,-0.010179
Anatolia_Barcin_N:I1102,0.106994,0.170609,0.00528,-0.097546,0.059703,-0.045459,-0.003995,-0.007846,0.030474,0.08474,0.005196,0.010041,-0.029732,-0.006193,-0.031759,0.001856,0.029597,0.002154,0.013073,-0.008754,-0.009109,0.010634,-0.003821,-0.003856,-0.002634
Anatolia_Barcin_N:I1103,0.112685,0.169593,-0.006411,-0.10013,0.044008,-0.046854,-0.00705,-0.005538,0.039269,0.075992,0.011367,0.013638,-0.02215,-0.005505,-0.036644,-0.01127,0.019427,-0.002027,0.010559,-0.008004,-0.016346,0.005564,-0.011216,-0.009278,-0.006945
Anatolia_Barcin_N:I1580,0.127482,0.182795,-0.003017,-0.103037,0.052317,-0.04769,-0.008695,-0.012692,0.040496,0.076904,0.007307,0.014987,-0.020961,-0.003716,-0.043159,0.001724,0.035986,-0.001647,0.006788,-0.009254,-0.010357,-0.001731,0.000246,-0.000482,-0.010298
Anatolia_Barcin_N:I1581,0.113823,0.175687,0.001131 ,-0.110467,0.057241,-0.045459,-0.003995,-0.008077,0.040905,0.084558,0.004222,0.013488,-0.02215,-0.000826,-0.04248,0.003978,0.040549,0.004687,0.005405,-0.005628,-0.010731,0.00643,-0.013557,0.003494,-0.000958
Anatolia_Barcin_N:I1583,0.119514,0.180764,0.00264,-0.10756,0.048932,-0.051037,-0.010575,-0.008769,0.035792,0.087656,0.012342,0.012139,-0.023786,0.005092,-0.036644,-0.006497,0.020861,0.002534,0.011816,-0.003877,-0.011729,0.004822,0.001232,-0.006748,-0.00491
Baltic_LVA_HG:I4432,0.135449,0.100537,0.188937,0.2 1092,0.110174,0.063587,0.011986,0.023768,0.055221,-0.016219,-0.004709,-0.021281,0.029137,-0.008395,0.039223,0.046141,0.002086,0.007348,-0.005154,0.04252,0.058771,0.008037,-0.029949,-0.119053,0.013771
Baltic_LVA_HG:I4434,0.122929,0.099522,0.185543,0.2 08013,0.104327,0.055499,0.013866,0.025153,0.055835 ,-0.02278,-0.003085,-0.018434,0.032111,-0.006055,0.035152,0.046937,0.005346,0.000253,-0.006285,0.046522,0.060269,0.019043,-0.015283,-0.111582,0.008622
Baltic_LVA_HG:I4438,0.12862,0.103584,0.175738,0.19 7354,0.104019,0.052989,0.007285,0.02123,0.044177,-0.029887,-0.000325,-0.019183,0.026759,-0.007432,0.034609,0.052108,-0.000261,0.007981,-0.006285,0.045522,0.059395,0.013973,-0.02884,-0.102424,0.012095
Baltic_LVA_HG:I4439,0.130897,0.102568,0.182149,0.1 97354,0.116945,0.055499,0.00799,0.020768,0.061562,-0.019681,-0.016401,-0.014387,0.030921,-0.003303,0.038816,0.05529,0.008605,0.004307,-0.01257,0.040644,0.072622,0.01422,-0.030689,-0.123391,0.003712
Baltic_LVA_HG:I4440,0.124067,0.109677,0.171213,0.1 91863,0.103096,0.0502,0.009635,0.021691,0.054403,-0.029704,-0.006171,-0.010341,0.028097,0.005918,0.02823,0.041633,-0.007302,0.009755,-0.004274,0.043271,0.058023,0.013107,-0.025266,-0.10857,0.007065
Baltic_LVA_HG:I4441,0.135449,0.093429,0.171967,0.1 88633,0.101557,0.049921,0.0047,0.020307,0.042336,-0.030433,-0.006008,-0.018284,0.026313,-0.00812,0.030673,0.039644,0.008605,-0.0019,-0.011061,0.042145,0.052782,0.022505,-0.024403,-0.105316,0.009939
Baltic_LVA_HG:I4550,0.130897,0.1046,0.184789,0.200 907,0.125562,0.059125,0.009165,0.03046,0.069334,-0.020957,-0.005359,-0.017534,0.023786,-0.002064,0.045738,0.061124,0.005346,0.006334,-0.006159,0.044771,0.072497,0.00643,-0.031551,-0.130862,0.012813
Baltic_LVA_HG:I4551,0.132035,0.09546,0.178378,0.19 5739,0.09294,0.057173,0.002115,0.019384,0.050108,-0.03098,-0.003085,-0.014537,0.027651,-0.020781,0.040988,0.044948,0.003651,0.007981,-0.002011,0.043521,0.057523,0.00643,-0.02465,-0.099171,0.003952
Baltic_LVA_HG:I4552,0.135449,0.098506,0.185543,0.1 96385,0.10802,0.056894,0.0094,0.020768,0.048063,-0.027153,-0.004709,-0.020682,0.028989,-0.003716,0.03298,0.049854,0.008996,0.006461,0.0003 77,0.045272,0.063263,0.01422,-0.029826,-0.10869,0.009939
Baltic_LVA_HG:I4553,0.129758,0.100537,0.181395,0.1 99615,0.114483,0.051316,0.015981,0.021691,0.05379,-0.02278,-0.008444,-0.02218,0.028692,0,0.042345,0.057146,0.003651,-0.000253,0.001885,0.04102,0.061267,0.01793,-0.026375,-0.113992,0.007903
Baltic_LVA_HG:I4595,0.126344,0.093429,0.179887,0.1 87341,0.109559,0.055499,0.002585,0.023076,0.054608 ,-0.01549,-0.005521,-0.02218,0.027948,0.000963,0.033116,0.05224,0.01160 4,-0.001774,-0.007416,0.04202,0.063887,0.007048,-0.02354,-0.113631,0.015208
Baltic_LVA_HG:I4596,0.12862,0.098506,0.18592,0.191 863,0.118791,0.058288,0.0094,0.019615,0.058085,-0.028064,0.004222,-0.020082,0.028394,-0.011285,0.031623,0.049456,0.005215,0.00076,-0.003897,0.042896,0.06788,0.008408,-0.033277,-0.116281,0.006347
Baltic_LVA_HG:I4626,0.121791,0.114755,0.184412,0.2 00584,0.110482,0.063308,0.002585,0.023537,0.05604,-0.017495,-0.007632,-0.017085,0.020664,0.010046,0.042345,0.036727,-0.008475,0.007728,-0.017221,0.039894,0.068754,0.027327,-0.035495,-0.136766,0.015208
Baltic_LVA_HG:I4628,0.127482,0.098506,0.177247,0.2 03491,0.108328,0.051595,0.013161,0.011538,0.048677 ,-0.032985,-0.002598,-0.020232,0.028543,0.002064,0.029858,0.040175,-0.008736,0.009628,-0.005656,0.04152,0.062265,0.00643,-0.016145,-0.107847,0.016765
Baltic_LVA_HG:I4630,0.124067,0.08632,0.167819,0.19 8,0.07386,0.057173,0.00423,0.005307,0.036405,-0.042461,0.004384,-0.009142,0.033597,-0.024634,0.02253,0.041766,0.00013,0.00114,-0.006913,0.036518,0.039805,0.013973,-0.016022,-0.075312,-0.002874
Baltic_LVA_HG:I4632,0.134311,0.106631,0.183281,0.1 87664,0.100634,0.059404,0.009635,0.023076,0.050517 ,-0.031162,-0.009419,-0.024278,0.028692,-0.009221,0.040988,0.053036,0.010691,-0.00038,-0.002137,0.039144,0.062639,0.009769,-0.029456,-0.103991,0.013053
Yamnaya_RUS_Kalmykia:RISE240,0.118376,0.085304,0.0 46009,0.111759,-0.022466,0.029005,0.008225,-0.000692,-0.050722,-0.061231,-0.000487,0.003147,0.001189,-0.026148,0.03393,0.004773,0.011995,-0.007981,-0.005908,0.020385,-0.011979,-0.001237,0.013064,0.024461,0.008861
Yamnaya_RUS_Kalmykia:RISE546,0.106994,0.090382,0.0 58454,0.121126,-0.03139,0.04769,0.00188,-0.002769,-0.065243,-0.087291,-0.00341,0.000899,-0.000892,-0.023671,0.007057,0.011138,0.006258,0.005194,0,0.0 01501,-0.004118,-0.006801,0.029456,0.032053,-0.016645
Yamnaya_RUS_Kalmykia:RISE547,0.119514,0.097491,0.0 45632,0.117896,-0.028005,0.038766,0.00517,-0.003692,-0.043359,-0.067974,-0.00406,0.001649,0.000743,-0.025598,0.035287,0.00411,-0.016168,0.002027,0.010056,0.006878,-0.003993,0.002226,0.007025,0.018316,-0.007424
Yamnaya_RUS_Kalmykia:RISE550,0.124067,0.097491,0.0 46763,0.107237,-0.02185,0.042391,0.00094,-0.010615,-0.050313,-0.073441,0.006008,-0.004646,-0.005054,-0.01734,0.034473,0.01896,0.002477,-0.005701,0.002514,0.009254,-0.000125,0.00643,0.020952,0.01699,0.002275
Yamnaya_RUS_Kalmykia:RISE552,0.106994,0.089367,0.0 35826,0.106914,-0.034468,0.052431,0.00564,-0.000462,-0.060335,-0.081824,-0.002761,0.001199,-0.001041,-0.025323,0.028501,0.019093,0.001565,-0.006334,-0.002891,0.013256,-0.000998,0.002226,0.010723,0.023256,-0.00479
Yamnaya_RUS_Samara:I0231,0.122929,0.082258,0.04487 7,0.113697,-0.033852,0.046575,0,-0.006,-0.051949,-0.072165,0.007307,0.001049,0.003271,-0.022708,0.029994,0.018297,0.005998,-0.003547,-0.00176,0.011005,-0.003244,0,-0.001725,0.013616,-0.000838
Yamnaya_RUS_Samara:I0357,0.126344,0.092413,0.03808 9,0.107883,-0.029852,0.039324,0.00564,-0.008077,-0.043768,-0.065605,-0.001137,-0.00015,-0.003568,-0.024772,0.035287,0.01896,0.00013,0.003167,-0.005279,0.004877,0.003619,0.006925,0.008504,0.012 532,-0.005269
Yamnaya_RUS_Samara:I0370,0.124067,0.08632,0.049403 ,0.111759,-0.027697,0.044623,0.00517,-0.000462,-0.066061,-0.066516,-0.002436,-0.00015,0.000297,-0.025735,0.03868,0.013789,0.000782,-0.000127,-0.005154,0.015758,0.001622,-0.0115,0.007025,0.021328,-0.003952
Yamnaya_RUS_Samara:I0429,0.130897,0.088351,0.04412 3,0.126617,-0.030467,0.050758,0.005875,0.003,-0.059516,-0.075992,0.000974,-0.008992,0.002081,-0.018717,0.039359,0.020949,0.004955,-0.000887,0.003897,0.022636,-0.005615,0.000495,0.020089,0.018798,-0.013651
Yamnaya_RUS_Samara:I0438,0.126344,0.085304,0.04261 5,0.122741,-0.032929,0.048806,-0.002115,0.002077,-0.068925,-0.080548,0.00065,0.002548,-0.00892,-0.029176,0.032437,0.011668,0.002347,-0.005068,-0.006285,0.018009,-0.00025,0.001731,0.021199,0.021328,-0.007185
Yamnaya_RUS_Samara:I0439,0.127482,0.096475,0.03733 5,0.117896,-0.017542,0.038487,0.00329,-0.006,-0.052154,-0.057587,0.001949,-0.000599,-0.007582,-0.02257,0.038273,0.016441,-0.002217,-0.004941,-0.00352,0.018634,-0.001996,0.00643,0.015529,0.02663,-0.00934
Yamnaya_RUS_Samara:I0443,0.124067,0.093429,0.03997 5,0.108206,-0.027082,0.045459,0.003995,-0.007154,-0.052563,-0.081642,0.001299,-3e-04,0.000595,-0.016515,0.044923,0.003978,-0.014212,-0.001394,-0.003771,0.013006,0.00262,0.000247,0.003944,0.0189 18,0.002036
Yamnaya_RUS_Samara:I0444,0.125205,0.08632,0.045632 ,0.119188,-0.024928,0.047969,0.00564,-0.001154,-0.050108,-0.073259,0.002598,0.002847,0,-0.042663,0.029451,0.022938,-0.000522,0.003294,-0.010307,0.013131,-0.015098,0.004204,0.010846,0.016267,0.003952
Yamnaya_RUS_Samara:I7489,0.122929,0.090382,0.04223 8,0.110144,-0.03416,0.043507,0.004935,0.000692,-0.058085,-0.082735,0.005196,0.004046,-0.010406,-0.006881,0.041123,0.01485,-0.008345,-0.006588,-0.002388,0.006878,-0.010232,-0.001731,0.014173,0.018075,-0.006586
POL_Globular_Amphora:I2403,0.12862,0.158423,0.0720 3,-0.008721,0.090786,-0.023706,0.004935,0.006461,0.04929,0.066516,0.0056 84,0.013488,-0.018731,-0.016102,-0.013843,0.01127,0.021253,0.001774,0.00352,0.00325 2,0.00861,0.004204,-0.00949,-0.019521,-0.00012
POL_Globular_Amphora:I2433,0.126344,0.171624,0.055 06,-0.019703,0.084939,-0.023427,-0.00329,0.006923,0.05379,0.075992,-0.006658,0.01169,-0.023042,-0.014313,-0.0057,0.000928,0.007693,0.007981,0.003017,0.00125 1,0.010107,0.01286,-0.012695,-0.022413,-0.006706
POL_Globular_Amphora:I2441,0.129758,0.178733,0.055 437,-0.024871,0.084631,-0.022311,0.001645,0.006461,0.057471,0.082188,-0.001137,0.012589,-0.022596,-0.012661,-0.000814,0.005967,0.001695,0.004814,0.008673,0.000 125,0.006613,0.003833,-0.008011,-0.019521,0.001557
POL_Globular_Amphora:N38,0.124067,0.164516,0.06147 1,-0.020026,0.085247,-0.012271,0.006345,0.003461,0.049904,0.07253,-0.001461,0.009442,-0.018731,-0.004404,-0.013436,-0.007558,0.008866,0.009375,0.004777,0.000875,0,0.0 08532,-0.009983,-0.02169,-0.000599
WHG:I1875,0.130897,0.120848,0.191577,0.194447,0.15 9107,0.048248,0.015746,0.040152,0.087332,0.007472,-0.016076,-0.015436,0.017839,-0.003303,0.047909,0.047069,0.007302,0.018497,-0.003268,0.057027,0.087471,0.00915,-0.048436,-0.143153,0.01449
WHG:Rochedane,0.118376,0.111708,0.178001,0.184111, 0.150182,0.044623,0.010575,0.034383,0.090809,0.028 064,-0.014615,-0.016186,0.013974,-0.002752,0.058767,0.069344,0.002738,0.014189,-0.015335,0.054151,0.101446,0.013231,-0.050778,-0.178579,0.019519


WHG didn't make any difference to my result I seem to favour Baltic_LVA_HG over WHG.

Target: Grace_scaled
Distance: 2.7820% / 0.02781968
48.6 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
45.4 POL_Globular_Amphora
6.0 Baltic_LVA_HG

I know that GAC has more HG where Barcin doesn't so removing that.

Target: Grace_scaled
Distance: 3.7771% / 0.03777099
49.4 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
33.0 Anatolia_Barcin_N
10.4 WHG
7.2 Baltic_LVA_HG

Seems like I don’t have any BHG.

Target: Imperator_Biff_scaled
Distance: 3.4234% / 0.03423405 | ADC: 0.25x
49.8 POL_Globular_Amphora
34.2 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
16.0 Yamnaya_RUS_Kalmykia

Target: Imperator_Biff_scaled
Distance: 3.3928% / 0.03392794
49.8 POL_Globular_Amphora
40.8 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
8.4 Yamnaya_RUS_Kalmykia
1.0 Baltic_LVA_HG

Without GAC

Target: Imperator_Biff_scaled
Distance: 4.8138% / 0.04813763
43.0 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
36.8 Anatolia_Barcin_N
17.4 Baltic_LVA_HG
2.8 Yamnaya_RUS_Kalmykia

WHG instead of Latvian HG

Target: Imperator_Biff_scaled
Distance: 4.6987% / 0.04698724
43.0 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
35.0 Anatolia_Barcin_N
13.8 WHG
8.2 Yamnaya_RUS_Kalmykia

And with GAC as a standin I favour WHG over Baltic hunter gatherers.

Target: Imperator_Biff_scaled
Distance: 3.3899% / 0.03389859
49.4 POL_Globular_Amphora
40.8 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
8.8 Yamnaya_RUS_Kalmykia
1.0 WHG

War Chef
01-20-2020, 10:34 PM
[QUOTE=Dick;6462163]According to British anthropologists there were only a few thousand Hunter gatherers in Stone Age Britain. The ratio of women to men was probably high also.[quote]





Only explanation I see is blue eyed mesolithics were given top aristocrat positions in farmer society, probably spiritual holy men like the druids. They were probably regarded as mythical creatures and got to breed with whoever because they had high social status

Dick
01-20-2020, 10:40 PM
I'd like to know as well. It definitley wasn't war with the scantly populated Mesolithics. The only threat to farmers was other farmers themselves, as evidenced by the herxheim mass genocide LBK culture site:



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herxheim_(archaeological_site)

Most neolithic graves that were found were due to rival groups or tribal conflicts.

https://www.ancient-origins.net/news-history-archaeology/koszyce-burial-0011874

Even Oetzi was apparently murdered by other "Farmers", found shot in the back with arrows.

War Chef
01-20-2020, 11:00 PM
Makes me wonder.... Could Basque be a remnant of Neolithic Farmer languages? Or maybe Kartvelian?

Dick
01-20-2020, 11:03 PM
Makes me wonder.... Could Basque be a remnant of Neolithic Farmer languages? Or maybe Kartvelian?


Some researchers have propounded the similarities between the Basque language and the Caucasian languages,

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origin_of_the_Basques

War Chef
01-20-2020, 11:05 PM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origin_of_the_Basques

What if one of the Neolithic farmer groups went N-E and got lodged in the Caucasus & the other survived the I-E storm in the Pyrenes mountains? Seems pretty logical

Dick
01-20-2020, 11:08 PM
What if one of the Neolithic farmer groups went N-E and got lodged in the Caucasus & the other survived the I-E storm in the Pyrenes mountains? Seems pretty logical


The haplogroup R1b[17] can be found most frequently in the Basque Country (91%), Wales (89%) and Ireland (81%).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origin_of_the_Basques

War Chef
01-20-2020, 11:08 PM
By the way, Stone Hendge was definitely built by Neolithic Farmers, also so were these (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carnac_stones) in France. Neolithic farmers were very spiritual

War Chef
01-20-2020, 11:10 PM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origin_of_the_Basques

Yeah but then r1b is also the oldest PIE (Khvalsynk, yamnaya) haplogroup, which makes you think in Basques it was founder effect :confused:

War Chef
01-20-2020, 11:14 PM
All the Basque surnames who got tested:
https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/basque-dna/about/results

Aside from the overwhelming r1b, There's a small decent amount of G2

J. Ketch
01-21-2020, 12:49 AM
The chad HG vs the virgin farmer


https://i.imgur.com/J7ZpHPX.jpg
HG: Has club
Black men with blue eyes
Lives in the moment, doesn't care if half it's population is wiped out by a tsunami.
Always reconstructed with dope mullets
Has a Farmer MTDNA haplogroup


Farmer:
Has only tools for farming
Just an ordinary black guy
Works for the man all day
Reconstructed bald
Has farmer MTDNA
https://i.imgur.com/oMmgOzM.jpg


Big brain farmer*
Chad rock throwing Hunter Gatherer vs Virgin megalith hauling Farmer


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wlgN3gM6ZVc

Case closed on this thread.

J. Ketch
01-21-2020, 03:11 AM
Why is WHG admixture so small in Europeans today compared to EEF if they were cucked? I think there is more to this story than Y-DNA. WHGs are so fucking overrated.
Speak for yourself
https://i.postimg.cc/3wQf6570/Opera-Snapshot-2020-01-21-143903-www-gedmatch-com.png
https://i.postimg.cc/XJHTtHsM/Opera-Snapshot-2020-01-21-144555-www-gedmatch-com.png
https://i.postimg.cc/m2YGgwD9/Opera-Snapshot-2020-01-21-145630-www-gedmatch-com.png

If Americans today were mostly Euro but had mostly Injun Y-DNA I'd say early Euro settlers had been cucked as well.

Daos777
01-21-2020, 06:35 AM
Because farmers had #metoo feminist culture and they got cucked by the WHG Tyrone. Because they weren’t controlling men, they put the pussy on the pedestal and they didn’t know how to smack a bitch when needed. Basically beta male provider culture. So after years and years of this going on and the WHG Tyrones finally outbreeding them and thinking “we iz kangs and we run this shit”, the indo-Europeans were like “dude there are these fags living over there in Europe and they give their women like rights and stuff also like their social order is based on sexual selection, wait so they don’t make each other fight to the death to figure out who deserves to breed? Nah bro. Dude we can totally take them out. K let’s go.” Years later R1b and R1a major european haplogroups. This is really how it happens.

Dick
01-21-2020, 01:50 PM
Because farmers had #metoo feminist culture and they got cucked by the WHG Tyrone. Because they weren’t controlling men, they put the pussy on the pedestal and they didn’t know how to smack a bitch when needed. Basically beta male provider culture. So after years and years of this going on and the WHG Tyrones finally outbreeding them and thinking “we iz kangs and we run this shit”, the indo-Europeans were like “dude there are these fags living over there in Europe and they give their women like rights and stuff also like their social order is based on sexual selection, wait so they don’t make each other fight to the death to figure out who deserves to breed? Nah bro. Dude we can totally take them out. K let’s go.” Years later R1b and R1a major european haplogroups. This is really how it happens.

When in Rome, do as the Roman's do and grab the Sabines by the pussy.

Hulu
01-21-2020, 02:01 PM
I dont know who cucked who in my case, both mtdna and ydna relatively northern, while autsomal mostly neolithic with very little indoeuropean and a bit more whg.

Morena
01-21-2020, 02:01 PM
Because farmers had #metoo feminist culture and they got cucked by the WHG Tyrone. Because they weren’t controlling men, they put the pussy on the pedestal and they didn’t know how to smack a bitch when needed. Basically beta male provider culture. So after years and years of this going on and the WHG Tyrones finally outbreeding them and thinking “we iz kangs and we run this shit”, the indo-Europeans were like “dude there are these fags living over there in Europe and they give their women like rights and stuff also like their social order is based on sexual selection, wait so they don’t make each other fight to the death to figure out who deserves to breed? Nah bro. Dude we can totally take them out. K let’s go.” Years later R1b and R1a major european haplogroups. This is really how it happens.

Seems legit :lol:

Nordarya
01-21-2020, 02:35 PM
When in Rome, do as the Roman's do and grab the Sabines by the pussy.


https://youtu.be/TmyAvInKhuA

Coastal Elite
01-21-2020, 03:19 PM
God damn you guys are gay for these WHGs. I’d like to beat up one of these ugly WHGs and you guys want to blow them.

Nordarya
01-21-2020, 03:42 PM
God damn you guys are gay for these WHGs. I’d like to beat up one of these ugly WHGs and you guys want to blow them.Are they as cucked for Africoons as Albania?

Coastal Elite
01-21-2020, 03:50 PM
Are they as cucked for Africoons as Albania?

I don’t know but I could take a pure WHG in a fight. They are slow footed while I float like a butterfly and sting like a bee.

Nordarya
01-21-2020, 03:54 PM
I don’t know but I could take a pure WHG in a fight. They are slow footed while I float like a butterfly and sting like a bee.


https://youtu.be/roPQ_M3yJTA
https://youtu.be/W7zcC2R1by8

Cumansky
01-21-2020, 03:57 PM
They are slow footed while I float like a butterfly and sting like a bee.

No chance my friend

Coastal Elite
01-21-2020, 04:05 PM
No chance my friend

I agree, the smelly bastards don’t stand a chance against me. They would run home to mama as soon I yanked on the greasy mullet. People need to get the WHG jizz out of their eyes and see the truth.

Cumansky
01-21-2020, 04:09 PM
I agree, the smelly bastards don’t stand a chance against me. They would run home to mama as soon I yanked on the greasy mullet. People need to get the WHG jizz out of their eyes and see the truth.

WHG is king north of Equator

Token
01-21-2020, 04:53 PM
Most of Anatolian farmer genepool is Villabruna-related, so it was basically WHG cucking WHG.

Hulu
01-21-2020, 05:07 PM
Most of Anatolian farmer genepool is Villabruna-related, so it was basically WHG cucking WHG.

Makes sense.

Token
01-21-2020, 05:16 PM
Speak for yourself
https://i.postimg.cc/3wQf6570/Opera-Snapshot-2020-01-21-143903-www-gedmatch-com.png
https://i.postimg.cc/XJHTtHsM/Opera-Snapshot-2020-01-21-144555-www-gedmatch-com.png
https://i.postimg.cc/m2YGgwD9/Opera-Snapshot-2020-01-21-145630-www-gedmatch-com.png

If Americans today were mostly Euro but had mostly Injun Y-DNA I'd say early Euro settlers had been cucked as well.

GEDmatch is prehistory, you are well under 20% WHG.

Token
01-21-2020, 05:35 PM
Anatolian farmers are actually the most alpha people of the planet. The story begins in Dzudzuana, a cave in the foothills of the misty Caucasus mountains. In a small period of time, this fascinating people spread all over West Eurasia and managed to survive in almost pure form nowadays. I'm pretty sure that was all planned in that cave, in Upper Paleolithic Georgia.
WHG and steppe people don't exist anymore, because they were barbarians driven by emotion. Their purest descendants got rekt later by ANF-rich Romans. The one who laughs last laughs best.

War Chef
01-21-2020, 05:51 PM
WHG and EEF were bros


The earliest ancient DNA data of modern humans from Europe dates to ∼40 thousand years ago1-4, but that from the Caucasus and the Near East to only ∼14 thousand years ago5,6, from populations who lived long after the Last Glacial Maximum (LGM) ∼26.5-19 thousand years ago. To address this imbalance and to better understand the relationship of Europeans and Near Easterners, we report genome-wide data from two ∼26 thousand year old individuals from Dzudzuana Cave in Georgia in the Caucasus from around the beginning of the LGM. Surprisingly, the Dzudzuana population was more closely related to early agriculturalists from western Anatolia ∼8 thousand years ago than to the hunter-gatherers of the Caucasus from the same region of western Georgia of ∼13-10 thousand years ago5. Most of the Dzudzuana population’s ancestry was deeply related to the post-glacial western European hunter-gatherers of the ‘Villabruna cluster’, but it also had ancestry from a lineage that had separated from the great majority of non-African populations before they separated from each other, proving that such ‘Basal Eurasians’6,9 were present in West Eurasia twice as early as previously recorded5,6. We document major population turnover in the Near East after the time of Dzudzuana, showing that the highly differentiated Holocene populations of the region6 were formed by ‘Ancient North Eurasian’3,9,10 admixture into the Caucasus and Iran and North African11,12 admixture into the Natufians of the Levant. We finally show that the Dzudzuana population contributed the majority of the ancestry of post-Ice Age people in the Near East, North Africa, and even parts of Europe, thereby becoming the largest single contributor of ancestry of all present-day West Eurasians.

https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/423079v1

Grace O'Malley
01-21-2020, 05:53 PM
Seems like I don’t have any BHG.

Target: Imperator_Biff_scaled
Distance: 3.4234% / 0.03423405 | ADC: 0.25x
49.8 POL_Globular_Amphora
34.2 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
16.0 Yamnaya_RUS_Kalmykia

Target: Imperator_Biff_scaled
Distance: 3.3928% / 0.03392794
49.8 POL_Globular_Amphora
40.8 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
8.4 Yamnaya_RUS_Kalmykia
1.0 Baltic_LVA_HG

Without GAC

Target: Imperator_Biff_scaled
Distance: 4.8138% / 0.04813763
43.0 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
36.8 Anatolia_Barcin_N
17.4 Baltic_LVA_HG
2.8 Yamnaya_RUS_Kalmykia

WHG instead of Latvian HG

Target: Imperator_Biff_scaled
Distance: 4.6987% / 0.04698724
43.0 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
35.0 Anatolia_Barcin_N
13.8 WHG
8.2 Yamnaya_RUS_Kalmykia

And with GAC as a standin I favour WHG over Baltic hunter gatherers.

Target: Imperator_Biff_scaled
Distance: 3.3899% / 0.03389859
49.4 POL_Globular_Amphora
40.8 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
8.8 Yamnaya_RUS_Kalmykia
1.0 WHG

I wonder what causes these differences in two people of the same ethnicity especially as Irish are all very closely related to each other? I'm sure there was some different waves of migration. I'm getting impatient for some of these studies to come out. :)

Dorian
01-21-2020, 06:12 PM
I imagine myself in Europe, leading my Platoon. Our mission is to stop whg dogs from advancing. We mow down whg dogs but they keep coming. I shoot whg dogs but I run out of ammo so I draw my sword and begin slaughtering whgs, since whgs are way more psychially inferior to me, I slay them by dozens. Then I get shot, but I didn't fall, I kept fighting. Then shot again and again. whgs were shooting me from a distance like the cowards they are. I lie down, facing up to sky and I see ZEUS smiling at me, I smile back… Then I woke up, in mediterranean, my homeland. My FARMER brethen gave me a warm welcome to heaven. I finally made it, I finally made it into heaven..

The Farmer man is the epitome of male dominance and masculinity.

Let's start by looking at his body. His body is large. His domineering size makes his presence known without him even needing to point himself out. He is muscular, hairy as a result of his high levels of testosterone. This gives him the appearance of health and strength. He is then covered by his tanned skin. This tanned skin reminds us of his ruggedness, a feature that developed due to being exposed to the scorching sun of mediterranean, made to withstand such an extreme condition. It also has a psychological effect on the observer. The tanned skin reminds us of our dark, deep desires that emerge from our primal subconscious past.

The Farmer man's demeanor is one of alphaness. He is dominant, assertive, and can be explosively aggressive. His behaviour strikes fear into the more timid, cowardly races of man(whg dogs)

The summit of expression of his masculinity on his body is his penis. The Farmer penis is largest of all the races. As the penis is the penultimate symbol of manhood, this alone would suffice to make the Farmer man the most masculine of men. This large penis is able fulfill the desire of the neediest of women, being able to more than fill all the recesses of the vagina. Its length ensures that when it ejaculates, the potent mediterranean seed will immediately enter the womb of the woman the farmer man impregnates.

In total, the farmer man expresses this masculinity in a most exemplary manner in bed. When he fucks, he unleashes the entirety of his lusts and desires upon his partner without any restraint.

All this is the reason why the farmer man is the epitome of masculinity
whg subhumans , how does this make you feel?

You could have a completely homogenous community of middle class whgs. A nice town with almost no crime, an all round good community. However because of the weakness of the whgs all it would take to destroy this community is one Farmer bull?

Just imagine, it's a nice sunny Sunday afternoon, imagine the bustle of this 100% whg town until suddenly a couple of Farmer bulls walk up. Women would feel more attraction to these superior, strong bulls infinitely more than their pathetic whg husbands. Every woman would be begging, grovelling to be impregnated by these overlords, the new kings of the town who earned this position with nothing but their superior presence. And these bulls wouldn't stop until every girl was carrying their children, the whg women's original children would probably be neglected. Who the fuck would want to raise these inferior children? They are only going to turn out like their fathers.

The Men? The men would flee after realizing how futile their attempts at winning back their wives attraction would be. They would flee to Japan where they will try to win over FAS looking ugly Jap girls because they are the only things disgusting and lonely enough to accept them. Many would probably be rejected after the Japs hear of their shameful and dishonorable display, even they probably would have killed themselves to avoid the shame.

Back home in the once nice town, every woman will be raising their farmer children and will be queuing up for their second or maybe even third pregnancy. They wont stop until they hit menopause, because they know deep down that their purpose is to populate the world with superior farmer bulls who will then move on to destroy other towns. This is REAL colonization. You can't take over a place without winning the attraction or respect of the people, that method will always collapse

Grace O'Malley
01-21-2020, 06:35 PM
Anyway we are all related to all these groups. No point having a barney about which one cucked who. Typical males. :rolleyes:

https://thumbs.dreamstime.com/z/competitive-business-men-challenge-two-wearing-boxing-gloves-isolated-white-background-34692727.jpg

Joso
01-21-2020, 06:46 PM
They were Chads



An interesting off-topic tidbit btw



https://www.discovermagazine.com/the-sciences/when-farmers-and-foragers-first-met

Nah, they were just lucky incels

Kamal900
01-21-2020, 06:52 PM
Hunter-Gatherer lifestyle is healthier so there's more meat, also less cramped quarters of farmers living in small villages/towns = less disease and childhood stunting. So yeah they were more physically imposing because of lifestyle.

So..they were Jocks or Chads of the neolithic period, right?

Coastal Elite
01-21-2020, 07:38 PM
Speak for yourself
https://i.postimg.cc/3wQf6570/Opera-Snapshot-2020-01-21-143903-www-gedmatch-com.png
https://i.postimg.cc/XJHTtHsM/Opera-Snapshot-2020-01-21-144555-www-gedmatch-com.png
https://i.postimg.cc/m2YGgwD9/Opera-Snapshot-2020-01-21-145630-www-gedmatch-com.png

If Americans today were mostly Euro but had mostly Injun Y-DNA I'd say early Euro settlers had been cucked as well.

I stand by what I said and think you’re misinterpreting the results, as someone just pointed out. It’s clear you have agenda against EEF because you associate them with Southern Europeans. This thread reflects that.

BTW, I also get WHG on those calculators but I'm not under the illusion I'm 50% WHG

Eurogenes_ANE K7

Population
ANE 14.74
ASE 1.07
WHG-UHG 55.68
East_Eurasian 1.29
West_African -
East_African -
ENF 27.21

Daos777
01-21-2020, 10:23 PM
I wonder what causes these differences in two people of the same ethnicity especially as Irish are all very closely related to each other? I'm sure there was some different waves of migration. I'm getting impatient for some of these studies to come out. :)

Target: yo_scaled
Distance: 4.3531% / 0.04353074
42.6 Yamnaya_RUS_Kalmykia
37.6 Anatolia_Barcin_N
18.4 Baltic_LVA_HG
1.4 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara


What’s the difference between the two Yamnaya references and why am I the only one here that gets the Kalmykia as my main component?

Daos777
01-21-2020, 10:25 PM
Also why didn’t E-V13 get wiped out with G? Why would Indo-Europeans spare them and WHG not cuck them?

Coastal Elite
01-21-2020, 10:36 PM
Also why didn’t E-V13 get wiped out with G? Why would Indo-Europeans spare them and WHG not cuck them?

I bet WHGs got bitched slapped in E-V13 areas. Don't put these WHGs on a pedestal.

Daos777
01-21-2020, 10:41 PM
I bet WHGs got bitched slapped in E-V13 areas. Don't put these WHGs on a pedestal.

I just think E-V13 had that BBC action going on. E is African after all. It’s the only African trait E-V13 never lost. It’s why it’s found more in warmer climates. E-V13 wanted to live in a climate where they can let it hang loose and show it off.

jingorex
01-21-2020, 10:42 PM
They were Chads



church!

https://media.giphy.com/media/x6sfBlcbXW7kc/giphy.gif

Coastal Elite
01-21-2020, 10:43 PM
I just think E-V13 had that BBC action going on. E is African after all. It’s the only African trait E-V13 never lost.

That part is obviously true. E-V13 is Muhammad Ali and the rest are like slow white boxers

FinalFlash
01-21-2020, 10:55 PM
Cuckholding(getting cucked) is the WHG male's favorite pasttime.

Grace O'Malley
01-21-2020, 11:02 PM
Target: yo_scaled
Distance: 4.3531% / 0.04353074
42.6 Yamnaya_RUS_Kalmykia
37.6 Anatolia_Barcin_N
18.4 Baltic_LVA_HG
1.4 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara


What’s the difference between the two Yamnaya references and why am I the only one here that gets the Kalmykia as my main component?

I don't think there's much difference but I'm sure someone like Dick or Creoda will let us know if there is.

Grace O'Malley
01-21-2020, 11:12 PM
All you fellas arguing about who was cucked need to have some respect for the ydna I group. I'm sure we all have ancestry from this group as it is the only native Ydna in Europe. So we are all children of I somewhere in our lines.

Here's some maps from Eupedia. Not sure how up-to-date these are.

https://i.imgur.com/eC13cHc.png

https://i.imgur.com/8fQLjoC.png

https://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogroup_I2_Y-DNA.shtml

Dick
01-21-2020, 11:33 PM
I don't think there's much difference but I'm sure someone like Dick or Creoda will let us know if there is.

Kalmykia is North Caucasus steppe void of Barcin and WHG. I assume East Slavs would get a good chunk of it.

Dick
01-21-2020, 11:42 PM
All you fellas arguing about who was cucked need to have some respect for the ydna I group. I'm sure we all have ancestry from this group as it is the only native Ydna in Europe. So we are all children of I somewhere in our lines.

Here's some maps from Eupedia. Not sure how up-to-date these are.



Here are maps of All I and G in the regions


https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/611586491982020628/669339986272976906/Haplogroup-I.png

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/611586491982020628/669339912981577738/Haplogroup_G2a.png

jingorex
01-21-2020, 11:50 PM
Here are maps of All I and G in the regions


https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/611586491982020628/669339986272976906/Haplogroup-I.png

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/611586491982020628/669339912981577738/Haplogroup_G2a.png


G all up in dem dm's like...

https://media.giphy.com/media/eMmKqCRfEANoZDCtZU/giphy.gif

Token
01-21-2020, 11:50 PM
Target: yo_scaled
Distance: 4.3531% / 0.04353074
42.6 Yamnaya_RUS_Kalmykia
37.6 Anatolia_Barcin_N
18.4 Baltic_LVA_HG
1.4 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara


What’s the difference between the two Yamnaya references and why am I the only one here that gets the Kalmykia as my main component?

They are the same thing.

Coastal Elite
01-22-2020, 12:00 AM
The WHG women aren't the prettiest but what the hell. Once you go Vlach.

https://i.imgur.com/5yR3SAM.jpg

Token
01-22-2020, 12:05 AM
All you fellas arguing about who was cucked need to have some respect for the ydna I group. I'm sure we all have ancestry from this group as it is the only native Ydna in Europe. So we are all children of I somewhere in our lines.

Here's some maps from Eupedia. Not sure

I'd drain every single drop of WHG blood in my veins if i could. I can't express with words how much i hate this miserable genetic component. I can smell I-haplogroup carriers from a kilometer

Grace O'Malley
01-22-2020, 12:18 AM
I'd drain every single drop of WHG blood in my veins if i could. I can't express with words how much i hate this miserable genetic component. I can smell I-haplogroup carriers from a kilometer

You're a strange one. You wouldn't exist if you didn't have that WHG blood. You're obviously a farmer fanboy but they are all equally important. We all have traits from all these groups that make us unique. We wouldn't be us would we?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0Mz_IqpZX8

Coastal Elite
01-22-2020, 03:08 AM
All the WHG lovers ran away. No heart. Btw, I have no beef with the I haplogroup, it's cool, but people with that Y-DNA are far removed from WHG to the point that it is completely trivial.


https://youtu.be/AQiUJlRa0N8

Morena
01-22-2020, 03:55 AM
All you fellas arguing about who was cucked need to have some respect for the ydna I group. I'm sure we all have ancestry from this group as it is the only native Ydna in Europe. So we are all children of I somewhere in our lines.

Here's some maps from Eupedia. Not sure how up-to-date these are.

https://i.imgur.com/eC13cHc.png

https://i.imgur.com/8fQLjoC.png

https://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogroup_I2_Y-DNA.shtml

My father's I2.

J. Ketch
01-22-2020, 05:28 AM
I stand by what I said and think you’re misinterpreting the results, as someone just pointed out. It’s clear you have agenda against EEF because you associate them with Southern Europeans. This thread reflects that.

BTW, I also get WHG on those calculators but I'm not under the illusion I'm 50% WHG

Eurogenes_ANE K7

Population
ANE 14.74
ASE 1.07
WHG-UHG 55.68
East_Eurasian 1.29
West_African -
East_African -
ENF 27.21
The thread was a legitimate question that you avoided but got butthurt as usual and started deflecting, a distinctly ENF trait.

catgeorge
01-22-2020, 05:32 AM
Lel North Europe was pretty much empty 6000-5000 BC

http://www.danel.com.hr/images/old_neolithic_map1.gif

porpozontokonto
01-22-2020, 05:35 AM
Lel North Europe was pretty much empty 6000-5000 BC

http://www.danel.com.hr/images/old_neolithic_map1.gif

What happened to C1a? How did I2 managed to survive but C1a didn't?

catgeorge
01-22-2020, 05:37 AM
What happened to C1a? How did I2 managed to survive but C1a didn't?

Weak men.

Dick
01-22-2020, 05:39 AM
Weak men.

Or they had more female offspring than male offspring. Another theory would be that it still exists somewhere, not everyone does Dna testing.

Ylla
01-22-2020, 05:41 AM
The WHG women aren't the prettiest but what the hell. Once you go Vlach.

https://i.imgur.com/5yR3SAM.jpg

:lol:

J. Ketch
01-22-2020, 07:44 AM
You're a strange one. You wouldn't exist if you didn't have that WHG blood. You're obviously a farmer fanboy but they are all equally important. We all have traits from all these groups that make us unique. We wouldn't be us would we?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0Mz_IqpZX8
I don't agree that they're all equally important. It's really WHG-like and EHG-like ancestry that makes Europeans unique.

Trouble
01-22-2020, 08:19 AM
This forum is one of the strangest places in the world.

Kyp
01-22-2020, 08:40 AM
I don't agree that they're all equally important. It's really WHG-like and EHG-like ancestry that makes Europeans unique.

What's unique about EHG? Isn't it basically WHG+ANE?

J. Ketch
01-22-2020, 09:53 AM
What's unique about EHG? Isn't it basically WHG+ANE?
That makes it pretty unique as WHG and ANE were very distinct, as is EHG from both of them, and everything else. ANE also wasn't contemporaneous with EHG so you can't compare them. EHG and WHG are the two extremes of the Mesolithic European cline that modern Europeans derive their ancestry from and that pulls them away from West Asians/MENAs.

Kyp
01-22-2020, 09:57 AM
That makes it pretty unique as WHG and ANE were very distinct, as is EHG from both of them, and everything else. ANE also wasn't contemporaneous with EHG so you can't compare them. EHG and WHG are the two extremes of the Mesolithic European cline that modern Europeans derive their ancestry from.

I understand but since ANE is so widespread in non-european groups all over the world doesn't that actually only makes the WHG component truly unique?

J. Ketch
01-22-2020, 10:18 AM
I understand but since ANE is so widespread in non-european groups all over the world doesn't that actually only makes the WHG component truly unique?
But modern Europeans are not directly descended from ANE, they get that ancestry from EHG like people. I didn't claim that any component is 'truly unique', but that modern Europeans derive their remaining uniqueness from Mesolithic European Hunter Gatherers, that were very distinct from other West Eurasian populations.

Coastal Elite
01-22-2020, 10:54 AM
The thread was a legitimate question that you avoided but got butthurt as usual and started deflecting, a distinctly ENF trait.

You should thank me for bumping your thread. Where is the thank you?

Sounds like you’re upset that I exposed your agenda. You don’t have the balls to admit to have an agenda and you were too ignorant to even understand your gedmatch results, Token even pointed it out. Don’t make a Varg troll thread if you can’t take the heat.

J. Ketch
01-22-2020, 11:44 AM
Sounds like you’re upset that I exposed your agenda. You don’t have the balls to admit to have an agenda and you were too ignorant to even understand your gedmatch results, Token even pointed it out. Don’t make a Varg troll thread if you can’t take the heat.
:bored:

Still waiting for you to try to answer the thread question. Maybe you should head back to the American Football thread if you don't think you're up to it.

Coastal Elite
01-22-2020, 11:58 AM
:bored:

Still waiting for you to try to answer the thread question. Maybe you should head back to the American Football thread if you don't think you're up to it.

I did and I’ve been on the topic on WHGs the whole thread. Look through the thread.

Token
01-22-2020, 12:01 PM
But modern Europeans are not directly descended from ANE, they get that ancestry from EHG like people. I didn't claim that any component is 'truly unique', but that modern Europeans derive their remaining uniqueness from Mesolithic European Hunter Gatherers, that were very distinct from other West Eurasian populations.
Most West Eurasians have some steppe ancestry and thus EHG admixture. Some like Pashtuns, Jats and Tajiks have a lot of it.
WHG admix isn't unique to Europeans either since Steppe_MLBA got a lot of EEF ancestry from Erteboelle (40% WHG) and GAC and spread it to entire West Eurasia, but it is only really important for Eastern Europeans. Contrary to what people think, ANF actually peaks in Western Europe. Near Easterners have Natufian, a more Basal-rich version of ANF.

J. Ketch
01-22-2020, 12:41 PM
I did and I’ve been on the topic on WHGs the whole thread. Look through the thread.
Your insight and wit is incredible, how could I have missed it.


Why is WHG admixture so small in Europeans today compared to EEF if they were cucked? I think there is more to this story than Y-DNA. WHGs are so fucking overrated.


God damn you guys are gay for these WHGs. I’d like to beat up one of these ugly WHGs and you guys want to blow them.


I don’t know but I could take a pure WHG in a fight. They are slow footed while I float like a butterfly and sting like a bee.


I agree, the smelly bastards don’t stand a chance against me. They would run home to mama as soon I yanked on the greasy mullet. People need to get the WHG jizz out of their eyes and see the truth.


I bet WHGs got bitched slapped in E-V13 areas. Don't put these WHGs on a pedestal.

Coastal Elite
01-22-2020, 12:59 PM
Your insight and wit is incredible, how could I have missed it.

Man, don’t let old Daco get to you. All that is true btw. I notice you left out my real answer, cute. The premise of thread deserves mockery so please excuse my tone. I actually addressed the question saying that I men made headway in Northern Europe partly due to the sparse population and demographics.

J. Ketch
01-22-2020, 02:28 PM
Man, don’t let old Daco get to you. All that is true btw. I notice you left out my real answer, cute. The premise of thread deserves mockery so please excuse my tone. I actually addressed the question saying that I men made headway in Northern Europe partly due to the sparse population and demographics.
That may help explain why I was more common in Northern Europe, but it doesn't explain why I dominated Northern European Farmers, and was disproportionately common in Southern Europe, as well as dominating in Sardinia. The premise of the thread is a genuinely strange historical phenomenon relevant to our ancestors, which has parallels in the dominance of N in Finland.

Dick
01-22-2020, 02:34 PM
That may help explain why I was more common in Northern Europe, but it doesn't explain why I dominated Northern European Farmers, and was disproportionately common in Southern Europe, as well as dominating in Sardinia. The premise of the thread is a genuinely strange historical phenomenon relevant to our ancestors, which has parallels in the dominance of N in Finland.

The WHG became stranded on Sardinia after the last ice age sea levels rose(same scenario in Britain when Doggerland disappeared) so it's obvious that the Anatolians were also sea faring people. If there were only a few thousand WHG in Britain then their numbers were surely even lower on Sardinia.

Roy
01-22-2020, 02:41 PM
My theory is that women were more dominant in early EEF society.

Another way to put it, Farmer Wives stole HG men. ;) Farmer women were prettier.



This actually makes sense as archeological record shows that early farmer societies were very egalitarian. Blending of two different groups could have produced a difference in customs and that change in how much progeny a man could have also would follow (I mean polygamy etc.).

Dick
01-24-2020, 03:40 AM
Have there been any funnelbeaker samples found belonging to I1 yet? From what I’ve seen its expansion happened during the BA not the Neolithic. TRB/GAC all seem to belong to haplogroup I2 same as Atlantic EEF.


I stand corrected then. I1 coming from the East later on makes sense.

According to Phylogeographer, I-M253 belonged to the Funnelbeaker culture and then Corded Ware. Take it with a grain of salt perhaps.

https://i.imgur.com/WeZJ7QG.jpg

L3mon J3lly
01-26-2020, 05:54 PM
Yeah but then r1b is also the oldest PIE (Khvalsynk, yamnaya) haplogroup, which makes you think in Basques it was founder effect :confused:

Khvalynsk had haplos other than R1b, idiot. Corded Ware which was just as old as Yamnaya was R1a-rich which Yamnaya didn't even have.

War Chef
01-26-2020, 06:00 PM
Khvalynsk had haplos other than R1b, idiot. Corded Ware which was just as old as Yamnaya was R1a-rich which Yamnaya didn't even have.

Why are you name-calling?

The oldest R1a was found in Vasylivka Ukraine. Not a Corded Ware site.

https://i.imgur.com/l6BpS3c.png

L3mon J3lly
01-26-2020, 06:09 PM
I never said anything about where the oldest R1a is from.

Synapsid
02-05-2020, 03:29 PM
What happened to C1a? How did I2 managed to survive but C1a didn't?

Replacement of Paleo-Euros by WHG after the Epi-Gravettian culture.

Synapsid
02-05-2020, 03:34 PM
That makes it pretty unique as WHG and ANE were very distinct, as is EHG from both of them, and everything else. ANE also wasn't contemporaneous with EHG so you can't compare them. EHG and WHG are the two extremes of the Mesolithic European cline that modern Europeans derive their ancestry from and that pulls them away from West Asians/MENAs.

Which component do you believe contributed to European intelligence and innovation?

Synapsid
02-05-2020, 03:35 PM
Most West Eurasians have some steppe ancestry and thus EHG admixture. Some like Pashtuns, Jats and Tajiks have a lot of it.
WHG admix isn't unique to Europeans either since Steppe_MLBA got a lot of EEF ancestry from Erteboelle (40% WHG) and GAC and spread it to entire West Eurasia, but it is only really important for Eastern Europeans. Contrary to what people think, ANF actually peaks in Western Europe. Near Easterners have Natufian, a more Basal-rich version of ANF.
Which paper?

J. Ketch
02-05-2020, 05:46 PM
Which component do you believe contributed to European intelligence and innovation?
Today? I don't believe that any of those ancient components make all that much difference as you've seen relatively intelligent and innovative societies in all parts of Europe since then. i.e. the innate differences are small enough that circumstance and eugenic/dysgenic factors can have more of a noticeable effect in any given time.

I think the perennial differences in behaviour and temperament are more interesting and perhaps more illustrative of the different ancient groups.

Synapsid
02-05-2020, 05:49 PM
Today? I don't believe that any of those ancient components make all that much difference as you've seen relatively intelligent and innovative societies in all parts of Europe since then. i.e. the innate differences are small enough that circumstance and eugenic/dysgenic factors can have more of a noticeable effect in any given time.

I think the perennial differences in behaviour and temperament are more interesting and perhaps more illustrative of the different ancient groups.

Do you believe an increase in Neolithic ancestry results in an increase in MENA like behaviour and temperament?

Dorian
02-05-2020, 06:03 PM
Do you believe an increase in Neolithic ancestry results in an increase in MENA like behaviour and temperament?

Also , is MENA vs non-MENA temperament the result of different hormonal levels?which themselves are the result of natural selection?
is the inherent evolutionary goal of some races to become hermaphrodites?

Joso
02-05-2020, 06:45 PM
nvm

J. Ketch
02-05-2020, 07:10 PM
Do you believe an increase in Neolithic ancestry results in an increase in MENA like behaviour and temperament?
Somewhat yes, compared to more native European components anyway. But the people with the highest ENF (or whatever you want to call it) in Europe are not the most MENA like, that's the people with the most direct MENA ancestry (East Meds) obviously.

Synapsid
02-05-2020, 07:13 PM
nvm

WHG along with EHG is what Europeans, particularly N. Europeans more unique.

Synapsid
02-05-2020, 07:15 PM
nvm

WHG along with EHG is what Europeans, particularly N. Europeans more unique.

Synapsid
02-05-2020, 07:16 PM
Somewhat yes, compared to more native European components anyway. But the people with the highest ENF (or whatever you want to call it) in Europe are not the most MENA like, that's the people with the most direct MENA ancestry (East Meds) obviously.

Would you say that populations with WHG/EHG are more temperamental and more introvert?

J. Ketch
02-05-2020, 07:21 PM
Would you say that populations with WHG/EHG are more temperamental and more introvert?
Less temperamental, more introvert. You don't notice these patterns?

War Chef
02-05-2020, 07:26 PM
ENF is predominately WHG-related.

Real MENA is CHG and Iran-Neolithic groups.

Coastal Elite
02-05-2020, 07:27 PM
People pontificating on the personality traits of WHG and EEF. Lol, what a load of shit.

Synapsid
02-06-2020, 05:32 AM
Less temperamental, more introvert. You don't notice these patterns?

Yes. I noticed it when comparing the emotional and hot head Meds to the Saami, N. Germanics, East Slavs, Finns etc. I noticed in Mexico that more Spaniard mixed Mexicans (aka more EEF) are more extrovert than the Native Mexican populations (who have high ANE + ENA ancestry)

Synapsid
02-06-2020, 05:36 AM
But sardinians I met were more introvert than most other European I met tho. So it could be more cultural.

Dick
02-10-2020, 04:46 AM
But sardinians I met were more introvert than most other European I met tho. So it could be more cultural.

It is probably cultural but a recent integration into their culture, a distrust of foreigners, which is why their flag consists of four. severed Moor heads.