Classify Turkic Nomad of Iran (Shahsevan)

[Kyp]

Please classify this man

https://i.imgur.com/jGnyMlu.jpg






Shahsevan are a nomadic sub-ethnic group of the Azerbaijani people who live in the North-West of Iran/Southern Azerbaijan.

https://oxfordasiantextilegroup.files.wordpress.com/2017/03/orts-living-with-the-shahsevan.jpg
https://ifpnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/Shahsevan-nomad.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/DwlkWqR.jpg

[Nomansman]

Would been nice to have gedmatch results of these people. THey remind me of afghan nomad kochis or turkic nomad people(a lot more the latter though) by their clothing and looks

[Kyp]

Would been nice to have gedmatch results of these people. THey remind me of afghan nomad kochis or turkic nomad people(a lot more the latter though) by their clothing and looks


This is a result of a different Azerbaijani nomadic people (Terekeme), you can check it out:

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?226288-Azerbaijani-(Terekeme)-GEDmatch-results

[Fedora]

This is a result of a different Azerbaijani nomadic people (Terekeme), you can check it out:

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?226288-Azerbaijani-(Terekeme)-GEDmatch-results

Majority of Terekemes in Turkey aroudd 4-8% eastasian/siberian and plot with Anatolian Turks or Azerbaijanis. This one seems to be an outliner.

[Kyp]

Majority of Terekemes in Turkey aroudd 4-8% eastasian/siberian and plot with Anatolian Turks or Azerbaijanis. This one seems to be an outliner.

That was my suspicion anyways. Because they look like regular Azerbaijanis. Can you provide some results though?

[Fedora]

That was my suspicion anyways. Because they look like regular Azerbaijanis. Can you provide some results though?

I don't have it right now but those people are similar to nomadic turks from turkey

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSHSgAeX8Jw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ekXEM0cqu5U

[Kyp]

I don't have it right now but those people are similar to nomadic turks from turkey

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSHSgAeX8Jw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ekXEM0cqu5U

Yeah in terms of lifestyle. But Yörük results I have seen were very western/anatolian influenced genetically. Terekeme and Shahsevan will be more Caucasus and Iranian influenced.

[Fedora]

Yeah in terms of lifestyle. But Yörük results I have seen were very western/anatolian influenced genetically. Terekeme and Shahsevan will be more Caucasus and Iranian influenced.

The ones in video are Sarikecili, there are other tribes in turkey who look more eastern shifted from adana, kayseri.

[Negah]

https://images.kojaro.com/2016/7/22be58dc-4e17-481b-af28-75ff31d616a4.jpg

https://img9.irna.ir/old/Image/1398/13980207/3692476/N3692476-7000236.jpg

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https://newsmedia.tasnimnews.com/Tasnim/Uploaded/Image/1397/05/05/1397050519590562014871664.jpg

https://images.kojaro.com/2016/7/38efea7c-a6d8-47c1-a60a-09e70612366a.jpg

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https://images.kojaro.com/2016/7/4c580233-ebec-4158-ae35-06150bccb444.jpg

https://araztimes.files.wordpress.com/2013/09/roshan_11120000_1.jpg?w=600&h=428

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https://img9.irna.ir/old/Image/1398/13980207/3692476/N3692476-7000226.jpg

https://irantrawell.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/resized_703673_787.jpg

https://safarzon.com/mag/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/%D8%B1%D9%85%DA%AF.jpg

https://aliabad-new.ir/upload/2019/09/27/23d727e79cff-4641e09289523-32d608f67.jpg

https://media.parstoday.com/image/4bsj77d6a656cf1gsmh_800C450.jpg

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https://media.parstoday.com/image/4bsj8e8e47bbd21gsmn_800C450.jpg

http://www.jahannews.com/images/docs/000683/n00683647-r-s-000.jpg

https://irantrawell.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/hemmat-khahi-2-of-19-8-th4.jpg

http://media.isna.ir/content/1438584557505_2.jpg/3

http://media.isna.ir/content/1438584558409_9.jpg/3

https://media.parstoday.com/image/4bsj5309dc0f031grqc_800C450.jpg

https://newsmedia.tasnimnews.com/Tasnim/Uploaded/Image/1397/06/12/1397061216242771215245454.jpg

http://www.jahannews.com/images/docs/000683/n00683647-r-s-005.jpg

https://img9.irna.ir/old/Image/1398/13980207/3692476/N3692476-7000234.jpg

https://cdn.yjc.ir/files/fa/news_albums/7016432/21833/thumbnails/thm_10301458_430.jpg

http://www.jahannews.com/images/docs/000683/n00683647-r-s-002.jpg

https://img9.irna.ir/old/Image/1398/13980207/3692476/N3692476-7000230.jpg

https://static3.eghtesadonline.com/thumbnail/25fHl0lDEb5C/BGmQaTBpfAznmg3eS4DzyCCNYldrqpxb6LsfD-Zn5HpCzvx4BBDJwEGTHdeDLuy2Nzr5tvFmhlvm00fmC_XgTQcG dbRSLcl2Jsc2X7R9ly47nya75GnlGyos2u7nA5Jo/%D8%B9%D8%B4%D8%A7%DB%8C%D8%B1+%D8%A7%DB%8C%D9%84+ %D8%B4%D8%A7%D9%87%D8%B3%D9%88%D9%86.jpg

https://www.otaghak.com/api/v1/Media/images/150912/2/1

http://www.jahannews.com/images/docs/000683/n00683647-r-s-006.jpg

[Hajimurad]

Majority of them look like ordinary Azerbaijanis but some people (elder with hat, man in chokha and few women) resemble Turkmens and Uzbeks.

[Kyp]

https://images.kojaro.com/2016/7/22be58dc-4e17-481b-af28-75ff31d616a4.jpg

https://img9.irna.ir/old/Image/1398/13980207/3692476/N3692476-7000236.jpg

https://img9.irna.ir/old/Image/1398/13980207/3692476/N3692476-7000257.jpg

https://newsmedia.tasnimnews.com/Tasnim/Uploaded/Image/1397/05/05/1397050519590562014871664.jpg

https://images.kojaro.com/2016/7/38efea7c-a6d8-47c1-a60a-09e70612366a.jpg

https://images.kojaro.com/2016/7/76703f53-8f9a-4e39-bcdb-3378de3536c5.jpg

https://images.kojaro.com/2016/7/c674a39d-e1a4-4eaf-b94a-ed78dd3430c5.jpg

https://images.kojaro.com/2016/7/4c580233-ebec-4158-ae35-06150bccb444.jpg

https://araztimes.files.wordpress.com/2013/09/roshan_11120000_1.jpg?w=600&h=428

https://araztimes.files.wordpress.com/2013/09/mg_7219-e3.jpg

https://araztimes.files.wordpress.com/2013/09/ax92051801.jpg?w=600&h=392

https://araztimes.files.wordpress.com/2013/09/2_8903080257_l600.jpg

https://araztimes.files.wordpress.com/2013/09/176160_929.jpg

https://araztimes.files.wordpress.com/2013/09/176163_739.jpg

https://araztimes.files.wordpress.com/2013/09/176167_840.jpg

https://araztimes.files.wordpress.com/2013/09/176177_506.jpg

https://araztimes.files.wordpress.com/2013/09/176170_269.jpg

https://safarzon.com/mag/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/7.jpg

https://img9.irna.ir/old/Image/1398/13980207/3692476/N3692476-7000260.jpg

https://safarzon.com/mag/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/1-2.jpg

https://img9.irna.ir/old/Image/1398/13980207/3692476/N3692476-7000237.jpg

https://img9.irna.ir/old/Image/1398/13980207/3692476/N3692476-7000240.jpg

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https://img9.irna.ir/old/Image/1398/13980207/3692476/N3692476-7000226.jpg

https://irantrawell.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/resized_703673_787.jpg

https://safarzon.com/mag/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/%D8%B1%D9%85%DA%AF.jpg

https://aliabad-new.ir/upload/2019/09/27/23d727e79cff-4641e09289523-32d608f67.jpg

https://media.parstoday.com/image/4bsj77d6a656cf1gsmh_800C450.jpg

https://media.parstoday.com/image/4bsj57aaec763e1gsmk_800C450.jpg

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http://www.jahannews.com/images/docs/000683/n00683647-r-s-000.jpg

https://irantrawell.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/hemmat-khahi-2-of-19-8-th4.jpg

http://media.isna.ir/content/1438584557505_2.jpg/3

http://media.isna.ir/content/1438584558409_9.jpg/3

https://media.parstoday.com/image/4bsj5309dc0f031grqc_800C450.jpg

https://newsmedia.tasnimnews.com/Tasnim/Uploaded/Image/1397/06/12/1397061216242771215245454.jpg

http://www.jahannews.com/images/docs/000683/n00683647-r-s-005.jpg

https://img9.irna.ir/old/Image/1398/13980207/3692476/N3692476-7000234.jpg

https://cdn.yjc.ir/files/fa/news_albums/7016432/21833/thumbnails/thm_10301458_430.jpg

http://www.jahannews.com/images/docs/000683/n00683647-r-s-002.jpg

https://img9.irna.ir/old/Image/1398/13980207/3692476/N3692476-7000230.jpg

https://static3.eghtesadonline.com/thumbnail/25fHl0lDEb5C/BGmQaTBpfAznmg3eS4DzyCCNYldrqpxb6LsfD-Zn5HpCzvx4BBDJwEGTHdeDLuy2Nzr5tvFmhlvm00fmC_XgTQcG dbRSLcl2Jsc2X7R9ly47nya75GnlGyos2u7nA5Jo/%D8%B9%D8%B4%D8%A7%DB%8C%D8%B1+%D8%A7%DB%8C%D9%84+ %D8%B4%D8%A7%D9%87%D8%B3%D9%88%D9%86.jpg

https://www.otaghak.com/api/v1/Media/images/150912/2/1

http://www.jahannews.com/images/docs/000683/n00683647-r-s-006.jpg

Thanks for sharing these lovely photos. What is your opinion on them in terms of phenotypes? I think they look mostly similar to regular Azeris. Especially like Iranian Azerbaijanis in rural areas..

[Nomansman]

This girl is the most pashtun looking of them all:
https://images.kojaro.com/2016/7/38efea7c-a6d8-47c1-a60a-09e70612366a.jpg

this guy could pass as well:

https://images.kojaro.com/2016/7/4c580233-ebec-4158-ae35-06150bccb444.jpg

[Negah]

Thanks for sharing these lovely photos. What is your opinion on them in terms of phenotypes? I think they look mostly similar to regular Azeris. Especially like Iranian Azerbaijanis in rural areas..

I agree.

Many of them also claim patrial eastern Anatolian ancestry and historically that would make sense since eastern Anatolia was a to an extent a disputed region and Ottoman influence was not never complete. Nomads from Iran encroached into that region constantly. The same can be said of Iraq for different reasons, even though it became part of the Ottoman Empire after the death of the Shah Abbas and remained so until the British, but Iranian influence was always present. It was not never totally controlled by the Ottomans.

[Negah]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NvqQG5F1T6E


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZLEVFejWPk

[Negah]

Film director Fariba Shahsavan

http://tadbirvaomid.ir/files/fa/news/1395/8/17/181619_962.jpg

[Kyp]

I agree.

Many of them also claim patrial eastern Anatolian ancestry and historically that would make sense since eastern Anatolia was a to an extent a disputed region and Ottoman influence was not never complete. Nomads from Iran encroached into that region constantly. The same can be said of Iraq for different reasons, even though it became part of the Ottoman Empire after the death of the Shah Abbas and remained so until the British, but Iranian influence was always present. It was not never totally controlled by the Ottomans.

They look exactly like my family that's why I was asking actually. Unfortunately I will never know. i just know my father's family is originally from rural areas between Zanjan and Ardabil.

[Negah]

https://farm2.static.flickr.com/1883/29383041077_3fa8351f2f_b.jpg

https://farm2.static.flickr.com/1854/44271110922_23a6d49c1e_b.jpg

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https://farm2.static.flickr.com/1854/44271105442_1b7f26ea28_b.jpg

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https://farm2.static.flickr.com/1865/43413013025_ce001fe525_b.jpg

https://farm2.static.flickr.com/1876/43413012345_b1cc8d9194_b.jpg

http://araz.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/araz-nomad-28.jpeg

http://araz.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/araz-nomads-03.jpeg


http://araz.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/araz-nomad-31.jpeg

https://persiantourradar.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/shahsavan-nomad-3-1024x683.jpg

https://media.mehrnews.com/d/2017/01/14/4/2337415.jpg?ts=1486462047399

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/26/68/92/266892d5169f4dacb8c06ff79f35d1b8.jpg

https://farm2.static.flickr.com/1869/29383037347_16f0fe365d_b.jpg

[Negah]

They look exactly like my family that's why I was asking actually. Unfortunately I will never know. i just know my father's family is originally from rural areas between Zanjan and Ardabil.

Here is a video of rural Iranian Azerbaijan.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8fv2b873laI&list=LLOe-odSdiT_oCZYMfrims8A&index=5&t=0s

[Hajimurad]

I agree.

Many of them also claim patrial eastern Anatolian ancestry and historically that would make sense since eastern Anatolia was a to an extent a disputed region and Ottoman influence was not never complete. Nomads from Iran encroached into that region constantly. The same can be said of Iraq for different reasons, even though it became part of the Ottoman Empire after the death of the Shah Abbas and remained so until the British, but Iranian influence was always present. It was not never totally controlled by the Ottomans.

About Iranian influence: I read many times about Kurdish and Lur tribes,resettled and assimilated by Azerbaijanis. Did other Iranics (in Safavid, Afsharid, Qajar and Pahlavi times) settled in Iranian Azerbaijan and adjacent territories (Hamadan, Zanjan etc)?

[ralf94]

Turanid+Asiatic alpine

[Negah]

About Iranian influence: I read many times about Kurdish and Lur tribes,resettled and assimilated by Azerbaijanis. Did other Iranics (in Safavid, Afsharid, Qajar and Pahlavi times) settled in Iranian Azerbaijan and adjacent territories (Hamadan, Zanjan etc)?

Are you asking if Kurds and Lurs were moved to Azerbaijan and became Azeris?

Hamadan is presently 75% Persian and 25% Azeri. It was the capital of Seljuks from 1118 A.D. to 1194 A.D.

[Hajimurad]

Are you asking if Kurds and Lurs were moved to Azerbaijan and became Azeris?

Hamadan is presently 75% Persian and 25% Azeri. It was the capital of Seljuks from 1118 A.D. to 1194 A.D.

I ask about other Iranics (non-Kurds and non-Lurs) who moved to Azerbaijan.

[Kyp]

I ask about other Iranics (non-Kurds and non-Lurs) who moved to Azerbaijan.

I think rather the opposite. A lot of Azerbaijanis were moved to all parts of Iran under Qajar rule (even prior to it).

[Negah]

I think rather the opposite. A lot of Azerbaijanis were moved to all parts of Iran under Qajar rule.

And the Pahlavis and the current regime massive migration to larger cities in Iran.