DNA results + pics: Brazilian Family

[Adamastor]

These people are self-identified as white in Brazil, the guy and the woman come from a working class/peasant background (but they likely have money now ofc).

The woman is from Minas Gerais and the guy is half from Bahia and half from Minas.

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They are from a Brazilian genealogy forum, I have the GEDmatch kits of the woman and the girl.
Their 23andme and MyHeritage DNA results:

Little girl

88.5% European/MENA
7,9% SSA
3.3% Amerindian

Woman

80% European/MENA
11% Amerindian
9,4% SSA

Guy

90% European
9% SSA

[Leto]

I have the GEDmatch kits of the woman and the girl.
Their 23andme and MyHeritage DNA results:
Dodecad World9 would be helpful.

[Lucas]

She looks Mestizo a little (and has nice tits). Guy looks white.

[Latinus]

The woman looks castiza (New World vibe), while the guy looks Euro.

[Chaos One]

I'm on the same "White/MENA" range as her (85% x 80%). Interesting how her Amerindian topped the SSA not also on DNA but on pheno too. Basically same happened with me on Central Asia background. There's no rule about % on this.

[Adamastor]

Dodecad World9 would be helpful.

I got the GEDmatch of the guy as well.

Him:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Atlantic_Baltic 50.34
2 Southern 22.72
3 African 13.06
4 Caucasus_Gedrosia 8.49
5 Amerindian 2.58
6 East_Asian 1.19
7 South_Asian 0.93

Her

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Atlantic_Baltic 47.96
2 Southern 22.85
3 African 10.47
4 Caucasus_Gedrosia 10.45
5 Amerindian 6.09
6 South_Asian 1.63
7 Siberian 0.42
8 Australasian

The little girl

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Atlantic_Baltic 47.12
2 Southern 23.37
3 African 12.2
4 Caucasus_Gedrosia 10
5 Amerindian 5.35
6 South_Asian 1.96


As you can see, the Amerindian is cut down in half for the woman since MyHeritage ''Amerindian'' component is actually Mestizo and all of them have increased African in GEDmatch. I suppose part of the ''African'' they score (3-4%) comes from Iberians.

They are all around 85-90% Iberian.

[Adamastor]

The woman looks castiza (New World vibe), while the guy looks Euro.

She is only 6-7% Amerindian in reality, MyHeritage inflates Amerindian. Look at GEDmatch.

[Chaos One]

>3 African 13.06

Gedmatch and their love for High SSA.

[Ranger0075]

Forgive me my ignorance but I don't get it: woman being 80% euro and father 90% euro, why little girl got 89%? Also, if guy is 9% SSA, same to woman, why the kid is 7%? Then, woman being 11% Amerindian and guy 0%, why little kid is 3%?? Shouldn't it be like 5-6%?

If she get a sister, they will get same results or what?

[Latinus]

She is only 6-7% Amerindian in reality, MyHeritage inflates Amerindian. Look at GEDmatch.

Yes, but the Amerindian is visible in her phenotype, not the SSA.

[Adamastor]

Forgive me my ignorance but I don't get it: woman being 80% euro and father 90% euro, why little girl got 89%? Also, if guy is 9% SSA, same to woman, why the kid is 7%? Then, woman being 11% Amerindian and guy 0%, why little kid is 3%?? It shouldn't be like 5-6%?

If she get a sister, they will get same results or what?

The woman is not really 80%, but likely 87-88% Euro, MyHeritage ''Amerindian'' component is actually Mestizo.

[Chaos One]

Forgive me my ignorance but I don't get it: woman being 80% euro and father 90% euro, why little girl got 89%? Also, if guy is 9% SSA, same to woman, why the kid is 7%? Then, woman being 11% Amerindian and guy 0%, why little kid is 3%?? Shouldn't it be like 5-6%?

If she get a sister, they will get same results or what?

This is more akin to the way the test will "calculate" the results than anything else. At this point, I really agree that most results are somewhat useless and doing more and more runs would make it more logical at all. If I went by my first result, I was probably adopted because I was ZERO Italian (all my European as Iberian).

[Chaos One]

She is only 6-7% Amerindian in reality, MyHeritage inflates Amerindian. Look at GEDmatch.

Run a K3, let's see how it shares.

[Adamastor]

>3 African 13.06

Gedmatch and their love for High SSA.

I've seen guys scoring like 7-8% SSA in commercial tests and getting 14-15% in GEDmatch. Definitely it's some kind of NorthAfrican coming from Iberians being read as SSA. It happens with most Brazalians and with the Portuguese as well.

Portuguese members FilhoV and Pedro Ruben are 4% and 5% SSA in GEDmatch.

[Leto]

I got the GEDmatch of the guy as well.

Him:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Atlantic_Baltic 50.34
2 Southern 22.72
3 African 13.06
4 Caucasus_Gedrosia 8.49
5 Amerindian 2.58
6 East_Asian 1.19
7 South_Asian 0.93

Her

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Atlantic_Baltic 47.96
2 Southern 22.85
3 African 10.47
4 Caucasus_Gedrosia 10.45
5 Amerindian 6.09
6 South_Asian 1.63
7 Siberian 0.42
8 Australasian

The little girl

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Atlantic_Baltic 47.12
2 Southern 23.37
3 African 12.2
4 Caucasus_Gedrosia 10
5 Amerindian 5.35
6 South_Asian 1.96


As you can see, the Amerindian is cut down in half for the woman since MyHeritage ''Amerindian'' component is actually Mestizo and all of them have increased African in GEDmatch. I suppose part of the ''African'' they score (3-4%) comes from Iberians.

They are all around 85-90% Iberian.
My personal (strict) judgement:

He is 81.55% Caucasoid, she - 81.28%, the girl - 79.49%. Allow me to exclude the "non-black African".
Not sure how to treat the South Asian. Possibly it's Caucasoid too, so you can add 1% or so to the total.

They are borderline white, yes.

[Chaos One]

I've seen guys scoring like 7-8% SSA in commercial tests and getting 14-15% in GEDmatch.

Hi! :dance:

Anyway, at some point since this test does not split West from East African, numbers can really go higher.

Maybe one who have both can help. Also, both scoring this amount of South Asian is weird. I'm weird by myself since I've 4% (because background), but I hardly found one scoring more than 1% except those 2.

[Leto]

Yes, but the Amerindian is visible in her phenotype, not the SSA.
6% Amerindian is visible? Are you sure?

[Adamastor]

Run a K3, let's see how it shares.

The guy:

E_Eurasian 1.25 Pct
SSA 15.58 Pct
W_Eurasian 83.17 Pct

The woman:

E_Eurasian 9.60 Pct
SSA 10.57 Pct
W_Eurasian 79.84 Pct

The girl:

E_Eurasian 5.35 Pct
SSA 12.26 Pct
W_Eurasian 82.39 Pct

Pretty much rubbish. Unless you believe this guy is almost 16% Black.

[Latinus]

6% Amerindian is visible? Are you sure?

In her case, yes. She doesn't look "white".

[Chaos One]

The guy:

E_Eurasian 1.25 Pct
SSA 15.58 Pct
W_Eurasian 83.17 Pct

The woman:

E_Eurasian 9.60 Pct
SSA 10.57 Pct
W_Eurasian 79.84 Pct

The girl:

E_Eurasian 5.35 Pct
SSA 12.26 Pct
W_Eurasian 82.39 Pct

Pretty much rubbish. Unless you believe this guy is almost 16% Black.

loooooool

Seems his E Y-DNA is somewhat high.

[Adamastor]

My personal (strict) judgement:

He is 81.55% Caucasoid, she - 81.28%, the girl - 79.49%. Allow me to exclude the "non-black African".
Not sure how to treat the South Asian. Possibly it's Caucasoid too, so you can add 1% or so to the total.

They are borderline white, yes.

So for you Pedro Ruben is 8% Black? A Portuguese is almost an Octoroon?

This is him in GEdrosia K3:

# Population Percent
1 W_Eurasian 89.97
2 SSA 7.55
3 E_Eurasian 2.48

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?197042-Post-your-Gedrosia-K3-results/page18

It's certainly bullshit, we cannot rely completely on that.

[Alenka]

The man looks European while the woman and her sister look kinda ambiguous.
As for the little girl, it's too soon to really tell.

[Leto]

So for you Pedro Ruben is 8% Black? A Portuguese is almost an Octoroon?

This is him in GEdrosia K3:

# Population Percent
1 W_Eurasian 89.97
2 SSA 7.55
3 E_Eurasian 2.48

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?197042-Post-your-Gedrosia-K3-results/page18

It's certainly bullshit, we cannot rely completely on that.
Pedro is not 8% African on Dodecad World9. Please don't start this flame about black blood, I don't want it. Having a little bit of black in Brazil should not be controversial. Why bring up other people from other places.

[Adamastor]

Pedro is not 8% African on Dodecad World9. Please don't start this flame about black blood, I don't want it. Having a little bit of black in Brazil should not be controversial. Why bring up other people from other places.

Well, it's not a flame war, I'm being respectful. They scored African in commercial tests but in significant less amount, I'm not saying they don't have SSA. But their European ancestry is only Portuguese and most Portuguese (and Spaniards) have increased SSA in GEDmatch.

One doesn't need to be a genious to make the math. FilhoV, who has less African than Pedro, is 3.9% African or something like that in GEDmatch... Since these guys are mostly Portuguese would be irrational to think they would not have increased SSA as well in GEDmatch.

[Leto]

Pedro Ruben is less than 4% African on World9.

Population Percent

1 Atlantic_Baltic 59.52
2 Southern 26.85
3 Caucasus_Gedrosia 8.75
4 African 3.69
5 Amerindian 0.66
6 Siberian 0.31
7 South_Asian 0.23

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Extremadura (1000 Genomes) 2.83
2 Portuguese (Dodecad) 3.37
3 Andalucia (1000 Genomes) 3.71
4 Galicia (1000 Genomes) 3.9
5 Baleares (1000 Genomes) 3.97
6 Murcia (1000 Genomes) 4.52
7 Castilla_La_Mancha (1000 Genomes) 4.88
8 Spaniards (Behar) 5.03
9 Castilla_Y_Leon (1000 Genomes) 5.18
10 Valencia (1000 Genomes) 6.03
11 Spanish (Dodecad) 6.11
12 Canarias (1000 Genomes) 6.26
13 Cataluna (1000 Genomes) 7.07
14 North_Italian (HGDP) 7.12
15 N_Italian (Dodecad) 7.55
16 Brazilian (Dodecad) 7.98
17 Cantabria (1000 Genomes) 8.12
18 Aragon (1000 Genomes) 8.16
19 French (Dodecad) 12.27
20 French (HGDP) 12.8

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
79.3% Canarias (1000 Genomes) + 20.7% Ukranians (Yunusbayev) @ 1.13
72.6% Canarias (1000 Genomes) + 27.4% Hungarians (Behar) @ 1.13
96.4% Baleares (1000 Genomes) + 3.6% ASW30 (HapMap3) @ 1.18
93.3% Baleares (1000 Genomes) + 6.7% Dominican @ 1.23
96.7% Baleares (1000 Genomes) + 3.3% ACB30 @ 1.24
97.1% Baleares (1000 Genomes) + 2.9% Biaka_Pygmies @ 1.24
97.1% Baleares (1000 Genomes) + 2.9% Mbuti_Pygmies @ 1.24
97.1% Baleares (1000 Genomes) + 2.9% Bantu_S.E._Tswana (HGDP) @ 1.25
97.1% Baleares (1000 Genomes) + 2.9% Yoruba (HGDP) @ 1.25
97.1% Baleares (1000 Genomes) + 2.9% YRI30 (HGDP)@ 1.26
97.1% Baleares (1000 Genomes) + 2.9% San @ 1.26
97.1% Baleares (1000 Genomes) + 2.9% Bantu_S.W._Herero (HGDP) @ 1.26
96.7% Baleares (1000 Genomes) + 3.3%San_He @ 1.3
97% Baleares (1000 Genomes) + 3% Mandenka @ 1.3
97% Baleares (1000 Genomes) + 3% LWK30 (Behar) @ 1.34
96.9% Baleares (1000 Genomes) + 3.1% Bantu_N.E. (HGDP) @ 1.35
95.5% Extremadura (1000 Genomes) + 4.5%Dominican @ 1.41
96.8% Baleares (1000 Genomes) + 3.2% Hadza_He @ 1.47
82.1% Canarias (1000 Genomes) + 17.9% Russian_B (Behar) @ 1.47
97.8% Extremadura (1000 Genomes) + 2.2% San_He @ 1.47

[Leto]

Well, it's not a flame war, I'm being respectful. They scored African in commercial tests but in significant less amount, I'm not saying they don't have SSA. But their European ancestry is only Portuguese and most Portuguese (and Spaniards) have increased SSA in GEDmatch.

One doesn't need to be a genious to make the math. FilhoV, who has less African than Pedro, is 3.9% African or something like that in GEDmatch... Since these guys are mostly Portuguese would be irrational to think they would not have increased SSA as well in GEDmatch.
In the case of those Portuguese most of it if not all is ancient, of course I'm not debating that.

I actually said nothing about Africa, I merely stated their Caucasoid percentages.

[Adamastor]

In the case of those Portuguese most of it if not all is ancient, of course I'm not debating that.

Yeah, that's my point. In these Brazilians most of the African isn't ancient, but it would be retarded to think that having 4%+ of African in GEDmatch compared to commercial tests isn't related to their Portuguese ancestry.

If you do the math, things are very clear: this guy scored 9% African in 23andme, since he is 13% on Dodecad, it means the additional 3-4% he got came from his Portuguese ancestors. It's not an isolated case, it's something that happens in basically all Colonial Brazilians.

[TheMaestro]

Would guess both White.

[Zuh]

I fail to understand how is possible for none white looking Brazilians to be the euro the woman looks like many balanced Mexican mestizas that are 50+ amerindian yet shes 80+ Euro...

[Adamastor]

6% Amerindian is visible? Are you sure?

The South Asian percentage is likely noise, lol. It's not a secret that GEDmatch gives many non-noise percentages of everything to many people. I don't think we should rely on GEDmatch to calculate percentages and such stuff.

[Insuperable]

Well, it's not a flame war, I'm being respectful. They scored African in commercial tests but in significant less amount, I'm not saying they don't have SSA. But their European ancestry is only Portuguese and most Portuguese (and Spaniards) have increased SSA in GEDmatch.

One doesn't need to be a genious to make the math. FilhoV, who has less African than Pedro, is 3.9% African or something like that in GEDmatch... Since these guys are mostly Portuguese would be irrational to think they would not have increased SSA as well in GEDmatch.

Pedro scores 3.69 and that guy scores 13.06 which is why that guy scores 9% on 23andme and Pedro doesn't score any. That guy is more or less Portuguese with 9% foreign African ancestry.

[Adamastor]

Pedro scores 3.69 and that guy scores 13.06 which is why that guy scores 9% on 23andme and Pedro doesn't score any. That guy is more or less Portuguese with 9% foreign African ancestry.

Basically this.