What Haplogroups can be considered white?

[The Sun King]

I'd like people's opinions on what haplogroups they consider as white. For myself. R1b, R1a, G2a l497, J2b, J2a, Ev13, I1, I2 , N all white.
Non white= Q, J1, all other subclades of E ex (e v22) G1 and all other subclades of G2 not belonging to the l497 branch , T , M, S, C, D, H (gypsy) L. Within the white haplogroups I would have a strict pecking order. 1.R1a 2.R1b. 3. I1. 4.I2 5. G2a l497 6.J2b 7.J2a 8.N 9.Ev13. Thoughts?

[Yamnaya]

R1a

[Token]

There are many other European clades of G2a other than L497. L497 is just the Alpine clade

[The Sun King]

There are many other European clades of G2a other than L497. L497 is just the Alpine clade Yes your correct, I forgot U1. Thanks for picking that up.

[Ülev]

N1 - white of snow

[Blondie]

Neither, autosomal genetic does matter

[Hajimurad]

If haplogroups is an indicator of whiteness then Afro-American with R1b or I1 haplogroup is whiter than native Caucasian with J1 one.

[SUPREEEEEME]

I'd like people's opinions on what haplogroups they consider as white. For myself. R1b, R1a, G2a l497, J2b, J2a, Ev13, I1, I2 , N all white.
Non white= Q, J1, all other subclades of E ex (e v22) G1 and all other subclades of G2 not belonging to the l497 branch , T , M, S, C, D, H (gypsy) L. Within the white haplogroups I would have a strict pecking order. 1.R1a 2.R1b. 3. I1. 4.I2 5. G2a l497 6.J2b 7.J2a 8.N 9.Ev13. Thoughts?

It depends on what you define as "white".

I belong to J2a, which originated in the Middle East. I would think to place it wherever J1 is placed - since both are from there, and I consider their histories intertwined. But, I don't exactly agree with assigning race to a haplogroup. I also think Hajimurad brings up a valid point. With regard to J2, I know many South and Central Asians belong to the haplogroup - which make it more difficult to make classifications such as this.

[The Sun King]

N1 - white of snow Lol. Slightly asiantic

[The Sun King]

It depends on what you define as "white".

I belong to J2a, which originated in the Middle East. I would think to place it wherever J1 is placed - since both are from there, and I consider their histories intertwined. But, I don't exactly agree with assigning race to a haplogroup. I also think Hajimurad brings up a valid point. With regard to J2, I know many South and Central Asians belong to the haplogroup - which make it more difficult to make classifications such as this. I understand they are intertwined but J1 has a too high a semetic component to be considered white. This is up for debate though as some subclades I suppose can be considered European.

[Cumansky]

R1B

[Leto]

There are many other European clades of G2a other than L497. L497 is just the Alpine clade
Do you include Georgian, Ossetian, Circassian G2a?
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/1f/f5/7a/1ff57ad88b7351ebd5084810e59a2411.gif

[Token]

Do you include Georgian, Ossetian, Circassian G2a?
I don't think Georgians, Circassians and Ossetians are Europeans. At least not in the genetic sense.

[Adamastor]

R1a and R1b and all clades of I. The others are either black, brown or chink.

[Joso]

R1a

R=Red skin
R1a and R1b people ain't white

[Leto]

R=Red skin
R1a and R1b people ain't white
And you are by your own admission a third worlder that doesn't care about racial preservation.

[Bosniensis]

R1a and R1b only.

[Joso]

And you are by your own admission a third worlder that doesn't care about racial preservation.

I am

[Token]

R1a and R1b only.

Funnily enough these are the only y-dna in Europe not of West Eurasian origin. This is called colonial mentality.

[Abdelnour]

Definitely L-M349

[porpozontokonto]

N all white.
N is all things but white. Even Q is whiter than N. :picard2:

[Ülev]

Lol. Slightly asiantic

but white

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a3/Contour_maps_of_sub-haplogroups_of_Y-chromosome_Haplogroup_N.png/629px-Contour_maps_of_sub-haplogroups_of_Y-chromosome_Haplogroup_N.png
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_N-M231

she does not have y-dna, but maybe her ancestors are/were N1

whiter shade of pale she is, snowy white


https://youtu.be/Tlsev6ZepqE

[Leto]

N is all things but white. Even Q is whiter than N. :picard2:
The Baltic-Russian-Finnish N is more European than R1a-Z93 if we want to be fair. And I'm saying this as an R1a admirer. Turkic, Iranic and Indic peoples aren't European by any definition. 95% of R1a in white countries is Z282.

[Yamnaya]

R=Red skin
R1a and R1b people ain't white

R1a is pure yamnaya indoeuropean, the great fathers of whites.

From there is just mutations, at that point even somalis and turks could be considered white

[The Sun King]

R1a and R1b only. So you consider yourself non white?

[Bosniensis]

So you consider yourself non white?

Yes. Mediterraneans are not "White".

We have never called ourselves White, it's invention of Nordic peoples.

We don't associate with Germanic "WHITE" Civilization.





https://images.immediate.co.uk/production/volatile/sites/7/2019/05/GettyImages-184255971-0a90115-30ece46.jpg?quality=90&resize=768,574

https://i.imgur.com/suCvcfu.png


https://youtu.be/3DmKf2U6bL4

[MagnusDark]

Yes. Mediterraneans are not "White".

We have never called ourselves White, it's invention of Nordic peoples.

We don't associate with Germanic "WHITE" Civilization.





https://images.immediate.co.uk/production/volatile/sites/7/2019/05/GettyImages-184255971-0a90115-30ece46.jpg?quality=90&resize=768,574

https://i.imgur.com/suCvcfu.png


https://youtu.be/3DmKf2U6bL4

You're also very white. A shade away from pasty if that. Far whiter than the Medish norm as in the picture you posted.

Germanic is Anglo-White. The rest of Europeans are still White or part of the same Caucasian race.

[Bosniensis]

You're also very white. A shade away from pasty if that. Far whiter than the Medish norm as in the picture you posted.

Germanic is Anglo-White. The rest of Europeans are still White or part of the same Caucasian race.

Yes but I am only WHITE in my family, most of them are like those in picture, actually that middle one is my family member.

My brother is darker, father, wider family, only my mom and I are white :D

[lei.talk]

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8c/Migraciones_humanas_en_haplogrupos_de_ADN-Y.PNG (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_Y-chromosome_DNA_haplogroup)

[Bosniensis]

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European R1b came from Russia and Scandinavia not from Balkans and Middle East as noted on that MAP

[MagnusDark]

Yes but I am only WHITE in my family, most of them are like those in picture, actually that middle one is my family member.

My brother is darker, father, wider family, only my mom and I are white :D

I would still consider that family member white. Olive tone is found all over Europe. It is more to do with specific features. Such as, nappy hair, dark olive without tan, dark eyes, jet black hair and brown to black eyes.

That isn't always indicative though. For instance one Syrian girl that practically looked Russian came up mostly levantine in her test. Your phenotype can differ from the sum of your genetic makeup. If you're referring to literal "white" then yea it would only be northern Europe. However, the term is used to refer to most if not all Europeans. More specifically "Caucasian".

[Leto]

That isn't always indicative though. For instance one Syrian girl that practically looked Russian came up mostly levantine in her test. Your phenotype can differ from the sum of your genetic makeup. If you're referring to literal "white" then yea it would only be northern Europe. However, the term is used to refer to most if not all Europeans. More specifically "Caucasian".
The girl was on Youtube? The one I saw didn't look Russian, she was very light but people said her features were either Jewish or Middle Eastern. Perhaps that was a different person.

[Kerem_turc]

My friend, i am white that I am J1, J2, R1b, R1a, G1, G2 nothing to do

I'm from haplogroup G2a3

[L3mon J3lly]

Saying Q isn't white is retarded.