Why do some non IE peoples such as some turkics carry R1a

[Illyrius]

How did they steal that gene.

[Hajimurad]

Because peoples often switch from one language to another (more dominant). And your question is incorrect.

[Illyrius]

Because peoples often switch from one language to another (more dominant). And your question is incorrect.

Thank God I didn't switch my language
R1b and Indo European languages
Fits perfectly together.

[Hajimurad]

Thank God I didn't switch my language
R1b and Indo European languages
Fits perfectly together.

but majority of your ethnicity belongs to E-V13 and J2b haplogroups. And majority of ethnicities (except some isolated tribes of Amazonia and New Guinea) never be of one haplogroup.

[Illyrius]

but majority of your ethnicity belongs to E-V13 and J2b haplogroups. And majority of ethnicities (except some isolated tribes of Amazonia and New Guinea) never be of one haplogroup.

Yep

[Illyrius]

Buuuuuuuuump

[Kmakkmak]

there is no stealing. this people is turkic with indo european paternal origin. every people is mixed.

[Ülev]

Thank God I didn't switch my language
R1b and Indo European languages
Fits perfectly together.

lol,
- where most people R1b ---> Basque agglutinative language, Bashkir agglutinative language
- where most people R1a ---> for instance - Pashto is still Indo-European

[Kamal900]

Easy. Due to admixture and assimilation. Even we Palestinian Muslim Arabs carry significant Indo-Iranian ancestry as well:
"sample": "Test1alestinian",
"fit": 1.0421,
"Levant_Canaanite_MBA": 53.33,
"Levant_JOR_EBA": 22.5,
"TKM_IA": 13.33,
"Canary_Islands_Guanche": 6.67,
"TZA_Pemba_600BP": 4.17,
"GEO_CHG": 0,

Which is over 13%. Not as high as say the Persian Zoroastrians but still pretty significant when you're talking about non-Indo-European populace such as us.

[Kmakkmak]

R1b and R1a is no indo european. only R1a-M417 and R1b-M269 is indo european

[Illyrius]

R1b and R1a is no indo european. only R1a-M417 and R1b-M269 is indo european

What about R1a-Z280 or R1b M343 or R1b-L23

[Kmakkmak]

R1a-Z280 is subclass of M417 and R1b-L23 is subclass of M269.

[Kmakkmak]

r1b-m343 is very old for classification.

[Illyrius]

R1a-Z280 is subclass of M417 and R1b-L23 is subclass of M269.

Hmmmm..what about the ancient R1b V88 people. The ones before visiting Africa?

[Kmakkmak]

Hmmmm..what about the ancient R1b V88 people. The ones before visiting Africa?

very hard problem it. they orginated caucasian or spain iberia I read that.

[Gaska]

R1b and R1a is no indo european. only R1a-M417 and R1b-M269 is indo european


we Basques are overwhelmingly P312 and we don't speak Indo-European

[Gaska]

Thank God I didn't switch my language
R1b and Indo European languages
Fits perfectly together.

Thank God I didn't switch my language
R1b and NON Indo European languages
Fits perfectly together.

[Salonikios]

Turks are originally mix of steppe and mongoloid people and that phenotype is called turanid-andronovo. Than they mixed with other groups where they went. Kazan Tatars and steppe Crimean Tatars are closest populations to ancient Andronova type. So they are Eurasian. Here you can see some dna results. https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?251969-G%F6kt%FCrk-GEDmatch-results

[Kmakkmak]

we Basques are overwhelmingly P312 and we don't speak Indo-European

ethnic ıdentity and languange dont say genetic. basque's P312 is celtic origin or from other steppes people.

[Kmakkmak]

Turks are originally mix of steppe and mongoloid people and that phenotype is called turanid-andronovo. Than they mixed with other groups where they went. Kazan Tatars and steppe Crimean Tatars are closest populations to ancient Andronova type. So they are Eurasian. Here you can see some dna results. https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?251969-G%F6kt%FCrk-GEDmatch-results

Turan is Iranian tribe. turks have different paternal origin.

[Gaska]

ethnic ıdentity and languange dont say genetic. basque's P312 is celtic origin or from other steppes people.

P312 has been in Spain 2000 years before the Celts existed, and with respect to other steppe peoples they still have to prove it

[Salonikios]

Turan is Iranian tribe. turks have different paternal origin.

Majority of Kyrgyz, Volga Tatars and Bashkir people belong to R1a groups. They mixed with Scythians. But their steppe admixture makes them Turkic. Other way around they would not have any difference than full Mongoloid groups such as Mongols.

[Proto-Shaman]

How did they steal that gene.
Has been revealed in 1985.
https://image.tmdb.org/t/p//w780//mzdDEuzFOPlfIHmln32JCzNtXPx.jpg

[Proto-Shaman]

Easy. Due to admixture and assimilation. Even we Palestinian Muslim Arabs carry significant Indo-Iranian ancestry as well:

Which is over 13%. Not as high as say the Persian Zoroastrians but still pretty significant when you're talking about non-Indo-European populace such as us.
:coffee:
https://i.imgur.com/Qx5kD7g.jpg

[Proto-Shaman]

Turan is Iranian tribe. turks have different paternal origin.

Iran is Turanian tribe. Persians have different paternal origin.

[Kmakkmak]

Iran is Turanian tribe. Persians have different paternal origin.

Persian have different paternal origin is very true. but turan is iranian tribe. do you hear of Alp Er Tunga?

[Proto-Shaman]

Persian have different paternal origin is very true. but turan is iranian tribe. do you hear of Alp Er Tunga?
Bs, Iran was Turanian tribe and https://i.imgur.com/pwIwIkR.png

[Kmakkmak]

Bs, Iran was Turanian tribe and https://i.imgur.com/pwIwIkR.png

:D :D :D :D

[Proto-Shaman]

Kazan Tatars and steppe Crimean Tatars are closest populations to ancient Andronova type.
Do you have a study as a source or other data?

[Illyrius]

@Proto-Shaman, trash talk all you want. You cannot deny the existence and glory of us Indo-Europeans.
The fact that you're forced to converse in an Indo European language if enough to prove our innate superiority.
Pleb

[PaleoEuropean]

IE just means Asians (Turks and Mongoloids) that were colonized by Iranians.

[Illyrius]

By the way. There's no such thing as "turanian R1a Z93"

[Oghuz]

Easy. Due to admixture and assimilation. Even we Palestinian Muslim Arabs carry significant Indo-Iranian ancestry as well:
"sample": "Test1alestinian",
"fit": 1.0421,
"Levant_Canaanite_MBA": 53.33,
"Levant_JOR_EBA": 22.5,
"TKM_IA": 13.33,
"Canary_Islands_Guanche": 6.67,
"TZA_Pemba_600BP": 4.17,
"GEO_CHG": 0,

Which is over 13%. Not as high as say the Persian Zoroastrians but still pretty significant when you're talking about non-Indo-European populace such as us.

Very nice to know.

[Proto-Shaman]

@Proto-Shaman, trash talk all you want. You cannot deny the existence and glory of us Indo-Europeans.
The fact that you're forced to converse in an Indo European language if enough to prove our innate superiority.
Pleb
Sieg Heil bro.

[Proto-Shaman]

By the way. There's no such thing as "turanian R1a Z93"
It's like saying there's no such thing as "chicken wings with dip". lol

[Proto-Shaman]

Very nice to know.
He is making up things which do not belong together. This is the only thing you need to know:

2017 study: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-017-14761-7
https://i.imgur.com/4xUBQKv.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/mJMTEpp.png
https://i.imgur.com/U0tWHwe.png
8 Turks, 2 Arabs. 0 Indo-Iranians.

[Salonikios]

Do you have a study as a source or other data?

You can look to their dna results. These show everything. Steppe Crimean Tatars have more steppe than mountain and coastal Tatars though. Marat Safin can be good example.

[Proto-Shaman]

You can look to their dna results. These show everything. Steppe Crimean Tatars have more steppe than mountain and coastal Tatars though. Marat Safin can be good example.
Is there any Steppe Crimean Tatar sample?

[Proto-Shaman]

You can look to their dna results. These show everything. Steppe Crimean Tatars have more steppe than mountain and coastal Tatars though. Marat Safin can be good example.
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[Illyrius]

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Proto-Shaman. Why do you hate the Indo Europeans so much.

[Salonikios]

By the way it is very wrong to call Scythians Iranian people. Only their language was related. Everything else from genetics to culture of Scythians are different completely. Plus they were always enemies. Persian Cyrus got killed by Scythians queen in battle.

[Hajimurad]

By the way it is very wrong to call Scythians Iranian people. Only their language was related. Everything else from genetics to culture of Scythians are different completely. Plus they were always enemies. Persian Cyrus got killed by Scythians quenn in battle.

The only Iranics who are related to Scythians are Pashtuns, Pamiri Tajiks and Ossetians whose languages belonged to Eastern Iranic branch. Racially - only Pamiri Tajiks while Pashtuns and Ossetians mixed with Nuristanis and Nakh peoples (Dvali) respectively.

[Salonikios]

Well they are related with language and little genetics influence. These people mixed with natives heavily. True Scythians were not looking like them. Scythians were assimilated in Europe and Central Asia.

[porpozontokonto]

By the way it is very wrong to call Scythians Iranian people. Only their language was related. Everything else from genetics to culture of Scythians are different completely. Plus they were always enemies. Persian Cyrus got killed by Scythians queen in battle.

Exactly. Considering Scythians as a Iranian speaking people is as meaningful as calling their language Indian.

[Kmakkmak]

Proto-Shaman. Why do you hate the Indo Europeans so much.

Proto-Shaman is trooooooolllll

[Alphawolf]

An indicated answer to this question would be how did the wide spread of the Indo-European language family come about?

There seem to be only two options. Either their origins go much further back than the established linguistics think (Paleolithic continuity thesis) or their spread was not due to mass migration, but e.g. through a religion, as the Romance languages or Arabic later spread only to a small extent through "demic expansion" ".

However, one thing can be said with certainty: Turks are not Indo-European people. The decisive factor here is the fact that there are R1a subgroups in Europe that practically do not occur in South Asia or Central Asia. Whoever the "Indo Europeans were" e.g. who invaded northern India about 3500 years ago, either had nothing genetically to do with Europe or left no trace in the Indian gene pool, which is rather unlikely.

[Proto-Shaman]

Proto-Shaman. Why do you hate the Indo Europeans so much.
How did you come to the conclusion that I hate Indo-Europeans. They are humans like everybody else. They rule the world. Where is the problem? I tell ya, it's the nationalism of colonial past. People can't get over genetic truth. It hurt feelings and such.

[Illyrius]

How did you come to the conclusion that I hate Indo-Europeans. They are humans like everybody else. They rule the world. Where is the problem? I tell ya, it's the nationalism of colonial past. People can't get over genetic truth. It hurt feelings and such.

I came to the conclusion that you hate them because of what you have put in your signature.
Yes I can say the same about some Turkic peoples that 8 don't hate everyone in an individual level
I also don't think that the Scythians were Iranian
Scythians were Scythian neither Iranian or turanian imo
I also believe that some R1a Z93 clades might be Scythian and some Kyrgyz or Kipchaks or whatever

[Proto-Shaman]

I came to the conclusion that you hate them because of what you have put in your signature.
Yes I can say the same about some Turkic peoples that 8 don't hate everyone in an individual level
I also don't think that the Scythians were Iranian
Scythians were Scythian neither Iranian or turanian imo
I also believe that some R1a Z93 clades might be Scythian and some Kyrgyz or Kipchaks or whatever
Ok, and hateful insulting of Muhammad (s.a.w.) is protected by freedom of expression? I just exposed you.

[Illyrius]

Ok, and hateful insulting of Muhammad (s.a.w.) is protected by freedom of expression? I just exposed you.

Who cares about Mohammad.
We were talking about something entirely different

[Dick]

https://youtu.be/Iy5ilIQbGNA

[Pine]

R1b and R1a is no indo european. only R1a-M417 and R1b-M269 is indo european

Even calling R-M269 Indo-European is a stretch and almost surely wrong, as it was formed prior to the Indo-European people and has plenty of Middle Eastern subclades. Let's also not forget that R-Z93 is a subclade of R-M417 and is certainly West Asian.

[Illyrius]

Even calling R-M269 Indo-European is a stretch and almost surely wrong, as it was formed prior to the Indo-European people and has plenty of Middle Eastern subclades. Let's also not forget that R-Z93 is a subclade of R-M417 and is certainly West Asian.

What subclades of R1b are Indo European

[Ford]

What subclades of R1b are Indo European

Yours is, my good Skipetar.

[Illyrius]

Yours is, my good Skipetar.

Yeah yeah mine is obviously IE Gallo-Roman but what about the L23 and BY116 typical Albanian subclades?

[Kmakkmak]

Even calling R-M269 Indo-European is a stretch and almost surely wrong, as it was formed prior to the Indo-European people and has plenty of Middle Eastern subclades. Let's also not forget that R-Z93 is a subclade of R-M417 and is certainly West Asian.

R1b-M269 and R1a-M417 is İndo-European origin.

[Pine]

R1b-M269 and R1a-M417 is İndo-European origin.

How old are Indo-Europeans?

[Illyrius]

How old are Indo-Europeans?

About as old as God and the universe.

[Proto-Shaman]

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