Serbian Autosomal DNA

[knez01]

That is too far to show in your Gedmatch results. Since you do have elevated West Med I think Zadar locals are somewhat collectively mixed with Italians. Idk, hard to tell anything.

I guess you're right, pretty much anything is a far stretch, I guess I am just a Dalmatian with high west mediterranean

[CommonSense]

That is too far to show in your Gedmatch results. Since you do have elevated West Med I think Zadar locals are somewhat collectively mixed with Italians. Idk, hard to tell anything.

Exactly. This man, also from Zadar, has quite peculiar results, opposite of kne01 basically. Never seen anything like it:

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?281473-Croat-from-Zadar-gedmatch-results

You'd think he was half North Italian, but all the surnames he listed seem to be local and unique to that county.

[knez01]

Exactly. This man, also from Zadar, has quite peculiar results, opposite of kne01 basically. Never seen anything like it:

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?281473-Croat-from-Zadar-gedmatch-results

You'd think he was half North Italian, but all the surnames he listed seem to be local and unique to that county.

Odd, despite having higher baltic than him, I still have higher west med and he has higher east med
Also, if that guy is partially North Italian, he should have more west med than me, right?

[knez01]

Here is my K15, i put it on the K15 map and i am on the Serbian dot, even though my Baltic is way over Serbian average and even Croatian average.
I also put it in vahaduo for updated populations and this is what i got, I am such an odd mix, even with the the closest population combination is 6.3 distance.
https://imgur.com/a/GJEwl5K

[vbnetkhio]

Here is my K15, i put it on the K15 map and i am on the Serbian dot, even though my Baltic is way over Serbian average and even Croatian average.
I also put it in vahaduo for updated populations and this is what i got, I am such an odd mix, even with the the closest population combination is 6.3 distance.
https://imgur.com/a/GJEwl5K

your low west euro admixtures are pulling you south on the k15 map. you would need both high east and west euro components to pull you north.

[knez01]

your low west euro admixtures are pulling you south on the k15 map. you would need both high east and west euro components to pull you north.

Yes I know, but other that, I've noticed that I plot quite normally for Zadar on that k15 map, despite my baltic being way off along with west components.

[vbnetkhio]

I guess you're right, pretty much anything is a far stretch, I guess I am just a Dalmatian with high west mediterranean

your non-Slavic part is very neolithic, pre-indo-european, similar to Sardinians. i don't think there are any Abruzzans like this, and it's common in the Balkans, so i would guess this high west med is because of paleo-Balkan influence, maybe you would be even more neolithic if you didn't have Abruzzan ancestry.

but i didn't look much at Italian results. you should research what kind of results can Abruzzans get, maybe there are some like this, it's a big region.


Yes I know, but other that, I've noticed that I plot quite normally for Zadar on that k15 map, despite my baltic being way off along with west components.

PCAs aren't very precise, it's just a rough positioning. it's better for comparing groups than individuals.

[vbnetkhio]

Is there any known Serb with 21 percent West or East Med?

>20% West med is common in Montenegro as CommonSense said, and i've seen 2 Kosovo Serbs with >20% east med. I think this is a trace of the Illyrian vs. Thracian genetic difference.

[Pribislav]

Enough with spending Serbian results on thread for Balkanites (South Slavs & neighbours), it's time to continue here.

Krajina Serb, surname Martić

#Population percent
1 Baltic 30.49
2 North_Atlantic 26.62
3 West_Med 16.89
4 East_Med 12.48
5 West_Asian 11.07
6 South_Asian 1.71
7 Red_Sea 0.58
8 Amerindian 0.17

#Population (source) Distance
1 Moldavian 4.78
2 Serbian 4.79
3 Croatian 6.76
4 Hungarian 7.54
5 Romanian 7.68
6 Bulgarian 9.94
7 Austrian 10.71
8 East_German 11.75
9 Ukrainian_Lviv 13.26
10 South_Polish 13.77
11 Ukrainian 14.49
12 West_German 16.92
13 Polish 17.4
14 Southwest_Russian 18.12
15 Ukrainian_Belgorod 18.16
16 South_Dutch 18.37
17 Greek_Thessaly 18.52
18 French 19.13
19 Russian_Smolensk 19.66
20 North_Italian 20.22

Mixed Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source)
1 53.7% Croatian + 46.3% Romanian @ 2.65
2 79.6% Croatian + 20.4% Italian_Abruzzo @ 2.71
3 83.7% Moldavian + 16.3% North_Italian @ 2.75
4 82.9% Croatian + 17.1% South_Italian @ 2.94
5 65.5% Romanian + 34.5% South_Polish @ 2.94
6 51.2% Moldavian + 48.8% Serbian @ 2.96
7 80.6% Croatian + 19.4% Central_Greek @ 2.98
8 61% Croatian + 39% Bulgarian @ 3
9 70.8% Romanian + 29.2% Polish @ 3.02
10 85.6% Moldavian + 14.4% Tuscan @ 3.02
11 66.8% Romanian + 33.2% Ukrainian @ 3.04
12 87.5% Moldavian + 12.5% Spanish_Andalucia @ 3.06
13 64.7% Romanian + 35.3% Ukrainian_Lviv @ 3.08
14 87.2% Moldavian + 13.8% Spanish_Valencia @ 3.1
15 65.9% Moldavian + 34.1% Romanian @ 3.1
16 75.3% Croatian + 24.7% Greek_Thessaly @ 3.12
17 81.1% Croatian + 18.9% West_Sicilian @ 3.13
18 86.5% Moldavian + 13.5% Spanish_Cataluna @ 3.14
19 78.7% Croatian + 21.3% Tuscan @ 3.19
20 87.9% Moldavian + 12.1 % Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 3.2

[Pribislav]

Serbian woman from Bosanska Krajina , from Kozara area https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kozara

Admix Results (sorted):

#Population percent
1 Baltic 34.4
2 North_Atlantic 25.22
3 West_Med 14.2
4 East_Med 14.07
5 West_Asian 6.57
6 Red_Sea 2.75
7 Amerindian 1.53
8 Siberian 0.65
9 East_Asian 0.45
10 Oceanian 0.18

Single Population Sharing:

#Population (source) Distance:
1 Moldavian 4.82
2 Croatian 5.08
3 Serbian 7.42
4 Hungarian 7.81
5 Ukrainian_Lviv 10.55
6 Romanian 10.68
7 South_Polish 11.39
8 Ukrainian 11.6
9 Bulgarian 12.41
10 Austrian 12.43
11 East_German 12.81
12 Southwest_Russian 14.52
13 Polish 14.54
14 Ukrainian_Belgorod 15.06
15 Russian_Smolensk 16.35
16 Estonian_Polish 16.63
17 Belorussian 17.2
18 Kargopol_Russian 18.86
19 West_German 19.55
20 Southwest_Finnish 19.96

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 67.3% Polish + 32.7% Ashkenazi @ 1.99
2 63.3% Estonian_Polish + 36.7% West_Sicilian @ 2.01
3 76.3% Ukrainian + 23.7% Italian_Jewish @ 2.04
4 54.9% Belorussian + 45.1% Greek_Thessaly @ 2.05
5 56.7% Lithuanian + 43.3% West_Sicilian @ 2.09
6 55.7% Estonian_Polish @ 44.3% Greek_Thessaly @ 2.13
7 72.2% Ukrainian + 27.8% Ashkenazi @ 2.18
8 66.1% Estonian_Polish + 33.9% South_Italian @ 2.21
9 72% Polish + 28% Italian_Jewish @ 2.21
10 71.9% Polish + 28.1% Algerian_Jewish @ 2.27
11 76.5% Ukrainian + 23.5% Sephardic_Jewish @ 2.29
12 65.4% Belorussian + 34.6% South_Italian @ 2.37
13 77.9% Ukrainian + 22.1% Tunisian_Jewish @ 2.37
14 76.4% Uktainian + 23.6% Algerian_Jewish @ 2.38
15 51.1% Greek_Thessaly + 48.9% Lithuanian @ 2.4
16 62.5% Belorussian + 37.5% West_Sicilian @ 2.43
17 63.8% Russian_Smolensk + 36.2% West_Sicilian @ 2.5
18 50.6% Greek_Thessaly + 49.4% Estonian @ 2.5
19 62.4% Estonian_Polish + 37.6% Italian_Abruzzo @ 2.51
20 92.7% Croatian + 7.3% Yemenite_Jewish @ 2.52

[Dušan]

Redirected from South Slavic topic.

My close matches from Gedmetch

https://i.imgur.com/OPiLOvn.jpg

Red dot is average, green dot is me.

https://i.imgur.com/qntHeSe.png

[Pribislav]

Serbian woman from Bosanska Krajina , from Kozara area https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kozara

Admix Results (sorted):

#Population percent
1 Baltic 34.4
2 North_Atlantic 25.22
3 West_Med 14.2
4 East_Med 14.07
5 West_Asian 6.57
6 Red_Sea 2.75
7 Amerindian 1.53
8 Siberian 0.65
9 East_Asian 0.45
10 Oceanian 0.18

Single Population Sharing:

#Population (source) Distance:
1 Moldavian 4.82
2 Croatian 5.08
3 Serbian 7.42
4 Hungarian 7.81
5 Ukrainian_Lviv 10.55
6 Romanian 10.68
7 South_Polish 11.39
8 Ukrainian 11.6
9 Bulgarian 12.41
10 Austrian 12.43
11 East_German 12.81
12 Southwest_Russian 14.52
13 Polish 14.54
14 Ukrainian_Belgorod 15.06
15 Russian_Smolensk 16.35
16 Estonian_Polish 16.63
17 Belorussian 17.2
18 Kargopol_Russian 18.86
19 West_German 19.55
20 Southwest_Finnish 19.96

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 67.3% Polish + 32.7% Ashkenazi @ 1.99
2 63.3% Estonian_Polish + 36.7% West_Sicilian @ 2.01
3 76.3% Ukrainian + 23.7% Italian_Jewish @ 2.04
4 54.9% Belorussian + 45.1% Greek_Thessaly @ 2.05
5 56.7% Lithuanian + 43.3% West_Sicilian @ 2.09
6 55.7% Estonian_Polish @ 44.3% Greek_Thessaly @ 2.13
7 72.2% Ukrainian + 27.8% Ashkenazi @ 2.18
8 66.1% Estonian_Polish + 33.9% South_Italian @ 2.21
9 72% Polish + 28% Italian_Jewish @ 2.21
10 71.9% Polish + 28.1% Algerian_Jewish @ 2.27
11 76.5% Ukrainian + 23.5% Sephardic_Jewish @ 2.29
12 65.4% Belorussian + 34.6% South_Italian @ 2.37
13 77.9% Ukrainian + 22.1% Tunisian_Jewish @ 2.37
14 76.4% Uktainian + 23.6% Algerian_Jewish @ 2.38
15 51.1% Greek_Thessaly + 48.9% Lithuanian @ 2.4
16 62.5% Belorussian + 37.5% West_Sicilian @ 2.43
17 63.8% Russian_Smolensk + 36.2% West_Sicilian @ 2.5
18 50.6% Greek_Thessaly + 49.4% Estonian @ 2.5
19 62.4% Estonian_Polish + 37.6% Italian_Abruzzo @ 2.51
20 92.7% Croatian + 7.3% Yemenite_Jewish @ 2.52

Her K12b dodecad (for Leto :)).

Gedrosia 3.43 Pct
Siberian 0.75 Pct
Northwest_African 1.12 Pct
Southeast_Asian 1.18 Pct
Atlantic_Med 25.78 Pct
North_European 43.92 Pct
South_Asian -
East_African -
Southwest_Asian 4.07 Pct
Caucasus 19.76 Pct
Sub-Saharan -

[Leto]

On Dodecad most Serbs and Croats don't differ much. Some differences here and there.

[Pribislav]

On Dodecad most Serbs and Croats don't differ much. Some differences here and there.

I know a Serb who score 29.09% Baltic and 26.56% North_Atlantic on K13, and on K12b dodecad he got 42.7% North_European.

I wonder how is that possible? According to hid K13 I would expect max 40% NE on K12b...

[Leto]

I know a Serb who score 29.09% Baltic and 26.56% North_Atlantic on K13, and on K12b dodecad he got 42.7% North_European.

I wonder how is that possible? According to hid K13 I would expect max 40% NE on K12b...
Some West Med from K13 also goes into the NE on Dodecad. Feiichy's family is between 42 and 44%, I believe.

joanna (half Greek half Russian) is 41.7 percent.

[Pribislav]

Some West Med from K13 also goes into the NE on Dodecad. Feiichy's family is between 42 and 44%, I believe.

joanna (half Greek half Russian) is 41.7 percent.

Little mistake, he score 42.17% NE on K12b.

Here is that Serb.

K13
1 Baltic 29.09
2 North_Atlantic 26.56
3 West_Med 17.59
4 East_Med 12.04
5 West_Asian 9.32
6 Amerindian 1.83
7 Red_Sea 1.34
8 East_Asian 1.29
9 Northeast_African 0.54
10 Oceanian 0.24
11 Siberian 0.16

K12b
1 North_European 42.17
2 Atlantic_Med 25.86
3 Caucasus 21.47
4 Southwest_Asian 5.38
5 Gedrosia 3.04
6 East_African 0.94
7 Southeast_Asian 0.88
8 Siberian 0.26

[Pribislav]

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Grulović is liitle down on vtbnekhio's post marked as Dalmatia, you have few Lika Serbs there as well https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?313828-Serbian-Autosomal-DNA&p=6549936&viewfull=1#post6549936

Milković and his 4 close relatives are posted by CS here https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?299002-South-slavic-amp-neighbours-Eurogenes-results&p=6598224&viewfull=1#post5698224

This is K13 and kit of Neđeljko Zubović from Koreničko Vrelo, he is tested on y dna via SDP (you can check on tabele, he is I2-PH908) 97155

^^
They are also Krajina Serbs.

[Dušan]

Added
Krajina Serbs - 28 samples

North_Atlantic 24.71
Baltic 31.76
West_Med 16.79
West_Asian 8.22
East_Med 14.62
Red_Sea 1.55
South_Asian 0.43
East_Asian 0.22
Sinerian 0.81
Amerindian 0.56
Oceanian 0.38
N-E_African 0.03
Sub-Saharan 0.03

https://i.imgur.com/5shGoQ4.jpg

[Pribislav]

Added
Krajina Serbs - 28 samples

North_Atlantic 24.71
Baltic 31.76
West_Med 16.79
West_Asian 8.22
East_Med 14.62
Red_Sea 1.55
South_Asian 0.43
East_Asian 0.22
Sinerian 0.81
Amerindian 0.56
Oceanian 0.38
N-E_African 0.03
Sub-Saharan 0.03

https://i.imgur.com/5shGoQ4.jpg

Nice, 28 is solid sample. :thumb001:

[Pribislav]

Added
Krajina Serbs - 28 samples

North_Atlantic 24.71
Baltic 31.76
West_Med 16.79
West_Asian 8.22
East_Med 14.62
Red_Sea 1.55
South_Asian 0.43
East_Asian 0.22
Sinerian 0.81
Amerindian 0.56
Oceanian 0.38
N-E_African 0.03
Sub-Saharan 0.03

https://i.imgur.com/5shGoQ4.jpg

One question.

Why there is no Celto-Germanic at all? Hungary Lion and Togaja score solid Celto-Germanic, and your match Đurić and Vukojević, and Zubović and some others score little.

[Dušan]

One question.

Why there is no Celto-Germanic at all? Hungary Lion and Togaja score solid Celto-Germanic, and you match Đurić, Vukojević and some others score little.

Yes, I add all of them.

All went to early Slavic.

http://vahaduo.genetics.ovh/k13-vahaduo_original.htm

Insert into SOURCE
Early_Slavic,27.94,46.57,12.08,4.33,4.39,0.61,0.25 ,0,2.08,0.99,0.29,0.48,0
Paleo-Balkan,20.04,10.42,27.95,11.31,26.06,2.43,0,0,0.64 ,0.88,0.29,0,0
Celto-Germanic,44.38,27.72,14.32,3.47,5.80,0.19,1.07,0.6 6,0,1.37,0.74,0,0.33

Insert into TARGET
Krajina_Serb_average,24.71,31.76,16.79,8.22,14.62, 1.55,0.43,0.22,0.81,0.56,0.38,0.03,0.03

Look into MULTI and you will see.

[Pribislav]

Yes, I add all of them.

All went to early Slavic.

http://vahaduo.genetics.ovh/k13-vahaduo_original.htm

Insert into SOURCE
Early_Slavic,27.94,46.57,12.08,4.33,4.39,0.61,0.25 ,0,2.08,0.99,0.29,0.48,0
Paleo-Balkan,20.04,10.42,27.95,11.31,26.06,2.43,0,0,0.64 ,0.88,0.29,0,0
Celto-Germanic,44.38,27.72,14.32,3.47,5.80,0.19,1.07,0.6 6,0,1.37,0.74,0,0.33

Insert into TARGET
Krajina_Serb_average,24.71,31.76,16.79,8.22,14.62, 1.55,0.43,0.22,0.81,0.56,0.38,0.03,0.03

Look into MULTI and you will see.

Can you made ancient admixture of this average for Serbs from Serbia like that for Krajina Serbs?
https://i.imgur.com/snyWRLV.png

[Dušan]

Can you made ancient admixture of this average for Serbs from Serbia like that for Krajina Serbs?
https://i.imgur.com/snyWRLV.png

Yes

Serbia_Serb_average,24.88,30.08,16.50,8.73,16.21,1 .24,0.66,0.28,0.54,0.45,0.31,0.05,0.06

https://i.imgur.com/JY4BBzl.jpg

[Dušan]

https://i.imgur.com/Cx9vzHX.jpg








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[Dušan]

One question.

Why there is no Celto-Germanic at all? Hungary Lion and Togaja score solid Celto-Germanic, and your match Đurić and Vukojević, and Zubović and some others score little.



HungryLion finaly got correct number 1. :)

https://i.imgur.com/SrWMURQ.jpg



Me

https://i.imgur.com/dDqrRuV.jpg



Moje Ime - closest to old Gedmatch average, still got Serbian as number 1.

https://i.imgur.com/pjDS8yf.jpg



You were right that Ayetoye father is closest to real Serb averages

https://i.imgur.com/m7KK44p.jpg

[Pribislav]

HungryLion finaly got correct number 1. :)

https://i.imgur.com/SrWMURQ.jpg



Me

https://i.imgur.com/dDqrRuV.jpg



Moje Ime - closest to old Gedmatch average, still got Serbian as number 1.

https://i.imgur.com/pjDS8yf.jpg



You were right that Ayetoye father is closest to real Serb averages

https://i.imgur.com/m7KK44p.jpg

:thumb001:

Can you made for these two Dalmatian Serbs. I am interested because they have quite different Baltic-NA ratio and they are from neighboring villages near Skradin, still their Baltic+NA is almost same (vtbnekhio posted their K13 earlier on this thread). You can marked them as D. Serb 1 and 2 or something.

Dalmatian Serb 1
1 Baltic 29.3
2 North_Atlantic 28.69
3 East_Med 16.26
4 West_Med 14.98
5 West_Asian 5.98
6 Red_Sea 2.86
7 Siberian 1.51
8 South_Asian 0.41

Dalmatian Serb 2
1 Baltic 35.28
2 North_Atlantic 22.18
3 West_Med 17.42
4 East_Med 16.16
5 West_Asian 5.31
6 Siberian 1.04
7 Amerindian 0.7
8 South_Asian 0.62
9 Oceanian 0.52
10 Northeast_African 0.3
11 East_Asian 0.27
12 Sub-Saharan 0.19

[Dušan]

:thumb001:

Can you made for these two Dalmatian Serbs. I am interested because they have quite different Baltic-NA ratio and they are from neighboring villages near Skradin, still their Baltic+NA is almost same (vtbnekhio posted their K13 earlier on this thread). You can marked them as D. Serb 1 and 2 or something.

Dalmatian Serb 1
1 Baltic 29.3
2 North_Atlantic 28.69
3 East_Med 16.26
4 West_Med 14.98
5 West_Asian 5.98
6 Red_Sea 2.86
7 Siberian 1.51
8 South_Asian 0.41

Dalmatian Serb 2
1 Baltic 35.28
2 North_Atlantic 22.18
3 West_Med 17.42
4 East_Med 16.16
5 West_Asian 5.31
6 Siberian 1.04
7 Amerindian 0.7
8 South_Asian 0.62
9 Oceanian 0.52
10 Northeast_African 0.3
11 East_Asian 0.27
12 Sub-Saharan 0.19

https://i.imgur.com/fI9kRkg.jpg

[Pribislav]

https://i.imgur.com/fI9kRkg.jpg

And for these 3 guys if is not problem. I bealieve Bosanska Krajina 1 is very close to real Serbian average, same as Aye's father. Nikšić sample (same as one other) is interesting because is significant more northern shifted than average Montenegrins, in Nikšić live most Slavic/northern shifted people in Montenegro without doubt.

Serb from Bosanska Krajina 1 97195

Serb from Bosanska Krajina 2 97196


Serb from Nikšić
1 Baltic 31.29
2 North_Atlantic 25.72
3 West_Med 16.85
4 East_Med 15.81
5 West_Asian 7.84
6 Red_Sea 1.69
7 Siberian 0.67
8 Oceanian 0.12

[Dušan]

And for these 3 guys if is not problem. I bealieve Bosanska Krajina 1 is very close to real Serbian average, same as Aye's father. Nikšić sample (same as one other) is interesting because is significant more northern shifted than average Montenegrins, in Nikšić live most Slavic/northern shifted people in Montenegro without doubt.

Serb from Bosanska Krajina 1 97195

Serb from Bosanska Krajina 2 97196


Serb from Nikšić
1 Baltic 31.29
2 North_Atlantic 25.72
3 West_Med 16.85
4 East_Med 15.81
5 West_Asian 7.84
6 Red_Sea 1.69
7 Siberian 0.67
8 Oceanian 0.12

https://i.imgur.com/4L16a19.jpg

Пошаљи ми за Никшићана податке као за ову двојицу.
Мрзи ме да рачунам кад је по реду јужна Азија, кад источна, а битно је да све иде по реду.

[CommonSense]

Seems like almost everyone will get one of these two at spot #1, a good deal will get both among the top two:

https://i.imgur.com/jYhLM9a.png

https://i.imgur.com/nQHpOWJ.png

[Pribislav]

https://i.imgur.com/4L16a19.jpg

Пошаљи ми за Никшићана податке као за ову двојицу.
Мрзи ме да рачунам кад је по реду јужна Азија, кад источна, а битно је да све иде по реду.

Имаш ли линк од оне теме у вези оног калкулатора што мери блискост са савременим популацијама али регионално типа Бошњаци Тузла, Шпанци Кастљила Ла Манча итд, оно што изађе једно 20 ставки. Чини ми се да сам тамо поставио.

[Dušan]

Имаш ли линк од оне теме у вези оног калкулатора што мери блискост са савременим популацијама али регионално типа Бошњаци Тузла, Шпанци Кастљила Ла Манча итд, оно што изађе једно 20 ставки. Чини ми се да сам тамо поставио.

Нема везе, израчунао сам.

https://i.imgur.com/6MkJ6Rv.jpg

[Dušan]

Seems like almost everyone will get one of these two at spot #1, a good deal will get both among the top two:



That means that these averages are very good.

[vbnetkhio]

Montenegrin from the coastal area


1 North_Atlantic 28.72
2 Baltic 21.18
3 West_Med 20.63
4 East_Med 14.65
5 West_Asian 10.25
6 Red_Sea 1.67
7 Siberian 1.4
8 Amerindian 0.86
9 Sub-Saharan 0.52
10 Oceanian 0.07
11 Northeast_African 0.05

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Romanian 6.6
2 Serbian 7.37
3 Bulgarian 8.64
4 North_Italian 11.21
5 Hungarian 13.01
6 Moldavian 13.25
7 Greek_Thessaly 13.47
8 Austrian 13.54
9 Tuscan 13.8
10 French 13.96
11 Portuguese 14.78
12 West_German 14.98
13 Spanish_Galicia 15.19
14 Croatian 15.26
15 East_German 15.7
16 Spanish_Cataluna 15.81
17 Spanish_Extremadura 15.83
18 South_Dutch 16.23
19 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 16.64
20 Spanish_Murcia 16.91

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 83% Romanian + 17% French_Basque @ 1.63
2 74.7% Romanian + 25.3% Southwest_French @ 1.97
3 74.4% Romanian + 25.6% Spanish_Cantabria @ 2.11
4 77.2% Romanian + 22.8% Spanish_Aragon @ 2.46
5 74.5% Romanian + 25.5% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 2.47
6 54.4% North_Italian + 45.6% Moldavian @ 2.5
7 72% Romanian + 28% Spanish_Cataluna @ 2.61
8 79% Bulgarian + 21% French_Basque @ 2.61
9 74.1% Romanian + 25.9% Spanish_Andalucia @ 2.68
10 71.4% Romanian + 28.6% Spanish_Galicia @ 2.75
11 73.3% Romanian + 26.7% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 2.79
12 69.3% Bulgarian + 30.7% Southwest_French @ 2.79
13 72.3% Romanian + 27.7% Spanish_Extremadura @ 2.84
14 73.8% Romanian + 26.2% Spanish_Valencia @ 2.88
15 71.1% Romanian + 28.9% Portuguese @ 2.95
16 73.9% Romanian + 26.1% Spanish_Murcia @ 2.98
17 69.1% Bulgarian + 30.9% Spanish_Cantabria @ 3.1
18 62.8% Bulgarian + 37.2% French @ 3.1
19 74.8% North_Italian + 25.2% Erzya @ 3.13
20 72.3% Serbian + 27.7% Spanish_Andalucia @ 3.31

[Pribislav]

Montenegrin from the coastal area


1 North_Atlantic 28.72
2 Baltic 21.18
3 West_Med 20.63
4 East_Med 14.65
5 West_Asian 10.25
6 Red_Sea 1.67
7 Siberian 1.4
8 Amerindian 0.86
9 Sub-Saharan 0.52
10 Oceanian 0.07
11 Northeast_African 0.05

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Romanian 6.6
2 Serbian 7.37
3 Bulgarian 8.64
4 North_Italian 11.21
5 Hungarian 13.01
6 Moldavian 13.25
7 Greek_Thessaly 13.47
8 Austrian 13.54
9 Tuscan 13.8
10 French 13.96
11 Portuguese 14.78
12 West_German 14.98
13 Spanish_Galicia 15.19
14 Croatian 15.26
15 East_German 15.7
16 Spanish_Cataluna 15.81
17 Spanish_Extremadura 15.83
18 South_Dutch 16.23
19 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 16.64
20 Spanish_Murcia 16.91

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 83% Romanian + 17% French_Basque @ 1.63
2 74.7% Romanian + 25.3% Southwest_French @ 1.97
3 74.4% Romanian + 25.6% Spanish_Cantabria @ 2.11
4 77.2% Romanian + 22.8% Spanish_Aragon @ 2.46
5 74.5% Romanian + 25.5% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 2.47
6 54.4% North_Italian + 45.6% Moldavian @ 2.5
7 72% Romanian + 28% Spanish_Cataluna @ 2.61
8 79% Bulgarian + 21% French_Basque @ 2.61
9 74.1% Romanian + 25.9% Spanish_Andalucia @ 2.68
10 71.4% Romanian + 28.6% Spanish_Galicia @ 2.75
11 73.3% Romanian + 26.7% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 2.79
12 69.3% Bulgarian + 30.7% Southwest_French @ 2.79
13 72.3% Romanian + 27.7% Spanish_Extremadura @ 2.84
14 73.8% Romanian + 26.2% Spanish_Valencia @ 2.88
15 71.1% Romanian + 28.9% Portuguese @ 2.95
16 73.9% Romanian + 26.1% Spanish_Murcia @ 2.98
17 69.1% Bulgarian + 30.9% Spanish_Cantabria @ 3.1
18 62.8% Bulgarian + 37.2% French @ 3.1
19 74.8% North_Italian + 25.2% Erzya @ 3.13
20 72.3% Serbian + 27.7% Spanish_Andalucia @ 3.31

Is he Montenegrin recorder by highest NA and lowest Baltic?

[CommonSense]

Montenegrin from the coastal area


1 North_Atlantic 28.72
2 Baltic 21.18
3 West_Med 20.63
4 East_Med 14.65
5 West_Asian 10.25
6 Red_Sea 1.67
7 Siberian 1.4
8 Amerindian 0.86
9 Sub-Saharan 0.52
10 Oceanian 0.07
11 Northeast_African 0.05

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Romanian 6.6
2 Serbian 7.37
3 Bulgarian 8.64
4 North_Italian 11.21
5 Hungarian 13.01
6 Moldavian 13.25
7 Greek_Thessaly 13.47
8 Austrian 13.54
9 Tuscan 13.8
10 French 13.96
11 Portuguese 14.78
12 West_German 14.98
13 Spanish_Galicia 15.19
14 Croatian 15.26
15 East_German 15.7
16 Spanish_Cataluna 15.81
17 Spanish_Extremadura 15.83
18 South_Dutch 16.23
19 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 16.64
20 Spanish_Murcia 16.91

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 83% Romanian + 17% French_Basque @ 1.63
2 74.7% Romanian + 25.3% Southwest_French @ 1.97
3 74.4% Romanian + 25.6% Spanish_Cantabria @ 2.11
4 77.2% Romanian + 22.8% Spanish_Aragon @ 2.46
5 74.5% Romanian + 25.5% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 2.47
6 54.4% North_Italian + 45.6% Moldavian @ 2.5
7 72% Romanian + 28% Spanish_Cataluna @ 2.61
8 79% Bulgarian + 21% French_Basque @ 2.61
9 74.1% Romanian + 25.9% Spanish_Andalucia @ 2.68
10 71.4% Romanian + 28.6% Spanish_Galicia @ 2.75
11 73.3% Romanian + 26.7% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 2.79
12 69.3% Bulgarian + 30.7% Southwest_French @ 2.79
13 72.3% Romanian + 27.7% Spanish_Extremadura @ 2.84
14 73.8% Romanian + 26.2% Spanish_Valencia @ 2.88
15 71.1% Romanian + 28.9% Portuguese @ 2.95
16 73.9% Romanian + 26.1% Spanish_Murcia @ 2.98
17 69.1% Bulgarian + 30.9% Spanish_Cantabria @ 3.1
18 62.8% Bulgarian + 37.2% French @ 3.1
19 74.8% North_Italian + 25.2% Erzya @ 3.13
20 72.3% Serbian + 27.7% Spanish_Andalucia @ 3.31

Where did you find this guy? Did you conclude he was from the coast based on his surname or did he leave a family tree?

Belfranin with fully indigenous Zadar ancestry has similar results to this guy, actually even more North Atlantic admixed.

[vbnetkhio]

Is he Montenegrin recorder by highest NA and lowest Baltic?

by Baltic yes, as for west med, one member of that family from Podgorica Commonsense found long ago has even more, 22.59

[vbnetkhio]

Where did you find this guy? Did you conclude he was from the coast based on his surname or did he leave a family tree?

Belfranin with fully indigenous Zadar ancestry has similar results to this guy, actually even more North Atlantic admixed.

by surname

Mijač
Mijač, u Trstu ogranak Abramovića, potomaka kneza Bajka u Cucama (Cetinje); Orahovo (Crmnica)
Mijač = Mijačić, Podgora i Orahovica (Crmnica), a u Herceg-Novom kao: Mijač
Mijači, bratstvo u Podgoru

i already saw a bunch of Montenegrins with 20-22 Baltic but i didn't know the region/tribe. Vasojevici and Kuci have 25-26 Baltic so i perhaps 20-22 could be typical for the coastal area.

[vbnetkhio]

I see one Serb from Croatia here getting like 95% Croat in Oracles, what should I think?

i found out he has some Croat and Slovenian ancestry. it seems pure Slavic shifted Serbs are all "Moldavian" shifted.

[Pribislav]

i found out he has some Croat and Slovenian ancestry. it seems pure Slavic shifted Serbs are all "Moldavian" shifted.

Moldavian average on gedmatch is based on 9 samples, 5 have recent Russian/Ukrainian admixture as Ion Basescul said. Moldavian without recent Russian/Ukrainian admixture are sighificant more southern shifted on average than "Moldavian" average from gedmatch. Moldavian are just little more northern shifted Romanians, Ion debunked paganea how Moldavians are very Slavic genetically.

Full Serbs who are equally or even more northern shifted than German-kaykavian/Croat-Bosniak-Dalmatian/Croat-Serb mixed person Feiichy exist and I know few of them. Hungry Lion is equally northern shifted as Feiichy and all his ancestors are Serbs for centuries in the past, his is not only such example.

[Dušan]

Yes, I know.

Your Krajina_Serb 24.71, 31.76, 16.79 etc. is only for Serbs from Croatia without Bosanska Krajina right?

Btw I got 3 new Krajina Serb results (with kits), one is from Lika (Marinko Vukovojac), one is from Kordun or Gorski Kotar (Milan Mamula), and one from East Slavonia (Branko Arsenić).
On SDP Mamula Serbs from Kordun are tested as I2-PH908, and those from Gorski Kotar as I2-Z17855.
Vukovojac is J2b1-M205.

It is only with results of 29 Serbs from Croatia, but we could enlarge it with Bosnian Serbs results and call it West_Serbs_average.

[vbnetkhio]

It is only with results of 29 Serbs from Croatia, but we could enlarge it with Bosnian Serbs results and call it West_Serbs_average.

i'm working on putting together all samples we have.
Krajina Serb average should be Serbs from Croatia + Bosnian Krajina,and Bosnian Serb average should be Serbs from proper Bosnia, if they cluster along these borders. i'm guessing they will.

[Dušan]

i'm working on putting together all samples we have.
Krajina Serb average should be Serbs from Croatia + Bosnian Krajina,and Bosnian Serb average should be Serbs from proper Bosnia, if they cluster along these borders. i'm guessing they will.

Ok, nice. Do you want to I send you all my matches that I use for Krajina Serb average, or you already have these results?

[Jana]

Moldavian average on gedmatch is based on 9 samples, 5 have recent Russian/Ukrainian admixture as Ion Basescul said. Moldavian without recent Russian/Ukrainian admixture are sighificant more southern shifted on average than "Moldavian" average from gedmatch. Moldavian are just little more northern shifted Romanians, Ion debunked paganea how Moldavians are very Slavic genetically.

Full Serbs who are equally or even more northern shifted than German-kaykavian/Croat-Bosniak-Dalmatian/Croat-Serb mixed person Feiichy exist and I know few of them. Hungry Lion is equally northern shifted as Feiichy and all his ancestors are Serbs for centuries in the past, his is not only such example.

He is not, he is more southern than I am.
That's because you concentrate only on Baltic scores.

I score almost 30 north atlantic, my red sea is zero and my east med is below average. Only my west asian is very high, but that peaks in north caucasus and isn't very southern admixture.

[vbnetkhio]

Ok, nice. Do you want to I send you all my matches that I use for Krajina Serb average, or you already have these results?

i have them. do you know of some results from the regions marked as "Podrinje and Posavina" and Rashka on this map?

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a3/Serbia022.png

[Dušan]

i have them. do you know of some results from the regions marked as "Podrinje and Posavina" and Rashka on this map?

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a3/Serbia022.png

Unfortunately, no. But if I find any, I will post it here.

[Dušan]

And we should create one unique Serbian average, with all these results, from Krajina, Bosnia, Serbia, Montenegro.

[Pribislav]

i have them. do you know of some results from the regions marked as "Podrinje and Posavina" and Rashka on this map?

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a3/Serbia022.png

I never saw any Serbian results from Užice-Zlatibor area. Do you have some?

[vbnetkhio]

And we should create one unique Serbian average, with all these results, from Krajina, Bosnia, Serbia, Montenegro.

here :cool:

samplesnameNorth_AtlanticBalticWest_MedWest_AsianE ast_MedRed_SeaSouth_AsianEast_AsianSiberianAmerind ianOceanianNortheast_AfricanSub_Saharan
29Serb_B&H24.7331.0216.878.6314.661.720.440.320.660.500.340 .090.01
37Serb_Croatia25.1730.4416.799.0314.861.330.720.32 0.540.300.410.070.02
53Serb_Krajina25.5730.4416.728.6814.611.550.650.36 0.600.310.450.040.02
32Montenegrin25.0025.6818.399.9916.901.950.260.250 .660.500.230.110.08
34Serb_Serbia24.3529.9916.779.0515.981.370.620.210 .640.440.390.070.13
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6Serb_B&H_Bosnian_Krajina25.6230.6217.508.8413.611.850.070 .121.020.350.410.000.00
6Serb_B&H_East_Bosnia21.7432.2617.678.7315.741.021.220.170 .640.590.240.000.00
3Serb_B&H_Herzegovina23.0028.0016.5910.8118.661.320.080.32 0.420.400.340.040.00
12Serb_B&H_Northeast_Bosnia26.3331.0915.888.6413.252.060.39 0.560.560.600.410.210.03
11Serb_Croatia_Banija_Kordun26.3530.9215.889.2513. 841.460.910.280.320.250.460.080.00
10Serb_Croatia_Dalmatia25.5529.0016.909.4715.371.2 10.810.190.650.450.340.070.00
11Serb_Croatia_Lika24.0231.4517.107.9415.391.510.7 40.430.640.220.450.060.04
6Serb_Croatia_Slavonia24.1829.8517.839.4915.361.08 0.470.320.480.490.320.080.06
4Montenegrin_Old_Herzegovina26.9429.6316.918.9114. 381.260.240.260.640.480.170.200.00
28Montenegrin_South_East24.7325.1118.6010.1417.262 .050.260.240.670.510.240.090.09
3Serb_Serbia_Branicevo26.1831.8115.198.2715.001.65 0.470.070.840.270.240.000.00
2Serb_Serbia_Rasina23.7629.2319.0110.1015.030.660. 000.230.600.940.000.040.42
7Serb_Serbia_Shopluk23.2627.9518.219.3916.661.680. 650.091.000.330.470.230.10
3Serb_Serbia_South_Kosovo22.9625.2417.009.1922.331 .370.090.000.840.500.380.000.09
4Serb_Serbia_South_Morava25.2531.9515.978.6015.511 .030.600.000.160.390.440.000.10
1Serb_Serbia_Timok27.9828.6315.1910.1715.460.380.3 50.000.910.500.000.000.42
5Serb_Serbia_Vojvodina25.1330.6415.739.3514.831.65 0.570.540.120.440.630.130.22
9Serb_Serbia_West&Central23.7731.3317.158.8314.771.350.880.310.550.5 50.440.010.06

[vbnetkhio]

vahaduo fromat

Serb_B&H,24.73,31.02,16.87,8.63,14.66,1.72,0.44,0.32,0.66 ,0.50,0.34,0.09,0.01
Serb_Croatia,25.17,30.44,16.79,9.03,14.86,1.33,0.7 2,0.32,0.54,0.30,0.41,0.07,0.02
Serb_Krajina,25.57,30.44,16.72,8.68,14.61,1.55,0.6 5,0.36,0.60,0.31,0.45,0.04,0.02
Montenegrin,25.00,25.68,18.39,9.99,16.90,1.95,0.26 ,0.25,0.66,0.50,0.23,0.11,0.08
Serb_Serbia,24.35,29.99,16.77,9.05,15.98,1.37,0.62 ,0.21,0.64,0.44,0.39,0.07,0.13

Serb_B&H_Bosnian_Krajina,25.62,30.62,17.50,8.84,13.61,1.8 5,0.07,0.12,1.02,0.35,0.41,0.00,0.00
Serb_B&H_East_Bosnia,21.74,32.26,17.67,8.73,15.74,1.02,1. 22,0.17,0.64,0.59,0.24,0.00,0.00
Serb_B&H_Herzegovina,23.00,28.00,16.59,10.81,18.66,1.32,0 .08,0.32,0.42,0.40,0.34,0.04,0.00
Serb_B&H_Northeast_Bosnia,26.33,31.09,15.88,8.64,13.25,2. 06,0.39,0.56,0.56,0.60,0.41,0.21,0.03
Serb_Croatia_Banija_Kordun,26.35,30.92,15.88,9.25, 13.84,1.46,0.91,0.28,0.32,0.25,0.46,0.08,0.00
Serb_Croatia_Dalmatia,25.55,29.00,16.90,9.47,15.37 ,1.21,0.81,0.19,0.65,0.45,0.34,0.07,0.00
Serb_Croatia_Lika,24.02,31.45,17.10,7.94,15.39,1.5 1,0.74,0.43,0.64,0.22,0.45,0.06,0.04
Serb_Croatia_Slavonia,24.18,29.85,17.83,9.49,15.36 ,1.08,0.47,0.32,0.48,0.49,0.32,0.08,0.06
Montenegrin_Old_Herzegovina,26.94,29.63,16.91,8.91 ,14.38,1.26,0.24,0.26,0.64,0.48,0.17,0.20,0.00
Montenegrin_South_East,24.73,25.11,18.60,10.14,17. 26,2.05,0.26,0.24,0.67,0.51,0.24,0.09,0.09
Serb_Serbia_Branicevo,26.18,31.81,15.19,8.27,15.00 ,1.65,0.47,0.07,0.84,0.27,0.24,0.00,0.00
Serb_Serbia_Rasina,23.76,29.23,19.01,10.10,15.03,0 .66,0.00,0.23,0.60,0.94,0.00,0.04,0.42
Serb_Serbia_Shopluk,23.26,27.95,18.21,9.39,16.66,1 .68,0.65,0.09,1.00,0.33,0.47,0.23,0.10
Serb_Serbia_South_Kosovo,22.96,25.24,17.00,9.19,22 .33,1.37,0.09,0.00,0.84,0.50,0.38,0.00,0.09
Serb_Serbia_South_Morava,25.25,31.95,15.97,8.60,15 .51,1.03,0.60,0.00,0.16,0.39,0.44,0.00,0.10
Serb_Serbia_Timok,27.98,28.63,15.19,10.17,15.46,0. 38,0.35,0.00,0.91,0.50,0.00,0.00,0.42
Serb_Serbia_Vojvodina,25.13,30.64,15.73,9.35,14.83 ,1.65,0.57,0.54,0.12,0.44,0.63,0.13,0.22
Serb_Serbia_West&Central,23.77,31.33,17.15,8.83,14.77,1.35,0.88,0.3 1,0.55,0.55,0.44,0.01,0.06

[vbnetkhio]

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[vbnetkhio]

A PCA plot of Serbs and neighbours, averages from Vahaduo k13 updated:

https://i.imgur.com/DiuseiL.png

[vbnetkhio]

forgot an all-Serbian average

Serb,24.89,29.38,17.14,9.05,15.58,1.55,0.49,0.29,0 .67,0.45,0.35,0.09,0.06

[vbnetkhio]

A PCA plot of Serbs and neighbours, averages from Vahaduo k13 updated:

https://i.imgur.com/DiuseiL.png

which component pulls in each direction:

https://i.imgur.com/pXUQPwB.png

[Dušan]

vahaduo fromat

Serb_B&H,24.73,31.02,16.87,8.63,14.66,1.72,0.44,0.32,0.66 ,0.50,0.34,0.09,0.01
Serb_Croatia,25.17,30.44,16.79,9.03,14.86,1.33,0.7 2,0.32,0.54,0.30,0.41,0.07,0.02
Serb_Krajina,25.57,30.44,16.72,8.68,14.61,1.55,0.6 5,0.36,0.60,0.31,0.45,0.04,0.02
Montenegrin,25.00,25.68,18.39,9.99,16.90,1.95,0.26 ,0.25,0.66,0.50,0.23,0.11,0.08
Serb_Serbia,24.35,29.99,16.77,9.05,15.98,1.37,0.62 ,0.21,0.64,0.44,0.39,0.07,0.13

Serb_B&H_Bosnian_Krajina,25.62,30.62,17.50,8.84,13.61,1.8 5,0.07,0.12,1.02,0.35,0.41,0.00,0.00
Serb_B&H_East_Bosnia,21.74,32.26,17.67,8.73,15.74,1.02,1. 22,0.17,0.64,0.59,0.24,0.00,0.00
Serb_B&H_Herzegovina,23.00,28.00,16.59,10.81,18.66,1.32,0 .08,0.32,0.42,0.40,0.34,0.04,0.00
Serb_B&H_Northeast_Bosnia,26.33,31.09,15.88,8.64,13.25,2. 06,0.39,0.56,0.56,0.60,0.41,0.21,0.03
Serb_Croatia_Banija_Kordun,26.35,30.92,15.88,9.25, 13.84,1.46,0.91,0.28,0.32,0.25,0.46,0.08,0.00
Serb_Croatia_Dalmatia,25.55,29.00,16.90,9.47,15.37 ,1.21,0.81,0.19,0.65,0.45,0.34,0.07,0.00
Serb_Croatia_Lika,24.02,31.45,17.10,7.94,15.39,1.5 1,0.74,0.43,0.64,0.22,0.45,0.06,0.04
Serb_Croatia_Slavonia,24.18,29.85,17.83,9.49,15.36 ,1.08,0.47,0.32,0.48,0.49,0.32,0.08,0.06
Montenegrin_Old_Herzegovina,26.94,29.63,16.91,8.91 ,14.38,1.26,0.24,0.26,0.64,0.48,0.17,0.20,0.00
Montenegrin_South_East,24.73,25.11,18.60,10.14,17. 26,2.05,0.26,0.24,0.67,0.51,0.24,0.09,0.09
Serb_Serbia_Branicevo,26.18,31.81,15.19,8.27,15.00 ,1.65,0.47,0.07,0.84,0.27,0.24,0.00,0.00
Serb_Serbia_Rasina,23.76,29.23,19.01,10.10,15.03,0 .66,0.00,0.23,0.60,0.94,0.00,0.04,0.42
Serb_Serbia_Shopluk,23.26,27.95,18.21,9.39,16.66,1 .68,0.65,0.09,1.00,0.33,0.47,0.23,0.10
Serb_Serbia_South_Kosovo,22.96,25.24,17.00,9.19,22 .33,1.37,0.09,0.00,0.84,0.50,0.38,0.00,0.09
Serb_Serbia_South_Morava,25.25,31.95,15.97,8.60,15 .51,1.03,0.60,0.00,0.16,0.39,0.44,0.00,0.10
Serb_Serbia_Timok,27.98,28.63,15.19,10.17,15.46,0. 38,0.35,0.00,0.91,0.50,0.00,0.00,0.42
Serb_Serbia_Vojvodina,25.13,30.64,15.73,9.35,14.83 ,1.65,0.57,0.54,0.12,0.44,0.63,0.13,0.22
Serb_Serbia_West&Central,23.77,31.33,17.15,8.83,14.77,1.35,0.88,0.3 1,0.55,0.55,0.44,0.01,0.06

Great job! :)

My result according to these average.

https://i.imgur.com/xScb7Ws.jpg

Target: Dušan
Distance: 3.6259% / 3.62591823
70.0 Serb_B&H_East_Bosnia
30.0 Serb_B&H_Bosnian_Krajina

Target: Dušan
Distance: 3.6265% / 3.62645628 | ADC: 0.25x
71.2 Serb_B&H_East_Bosnia
28.8 Serb_B&H_Bosnian_Krajina

Target: Dušan
Distance: 3.6333% / 3.63327175 | ADC: 0.5x
74.6 Serb_B&H_East_Bosnia
25.4 Serb_B&H_Bosnian_Krajina

Target: Dušan
Distance: 3.8138% / 3.81375626 | ADC: 1x
74.6 Serb_B&H_East_Bosnia
25.4 Serb_Serbia_West&Central

[Dušan]

https://i.imgur.com/bQYRtdQ.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/UlyfEM7.jpg

[Pribislav]

https://i.imgur.com/bQYRtdQ.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/UlyfEM7.jpg

That for Dalmatian Serbs is on 10 samples.

Could you made new on 13 samples https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?313828-Serbian-Autosomal-DNA&p=6630999&viewfull=1#post6630999

^^
Macura, Grulović and Aye's father are added.

[vbnetkhio]

That for Dalmatian Serbs is on 10 samples.

Could you made new on 12 samples, these 11 https://i.imgur.com/55WvSzj.png plus Aye's dad https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?288981-My-dads-results-(Dalmatian-Serb)

Serb_Croatia_Dalmatia,25.35,29.73,16.74,9.09,15.35 ,1.12,0.79,0.2,0.77,0.5,0.36,0.09,0.04

[Pribislav]

Serb_Croatia_Dalmatia,25.35,29.73,16.74,9.09,15.35 ,1.12,0.79,0.2,0.77,0.5,0.36,0.09,0.04

:thumb001:

[CommonSense]

Serb_Croatia_Dalmatia,25.35,29.73,16.74,9.09,15.35 ,1.12,0.79,0.2,0.77,0.5,0.36,0.09,0.04

Add this man too. Also, I've posted some other Serbian results too, one of which is from Leskovac. You should add them to your tables.

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?320262-South-Slavic-amp-neighbours-gedmatch-results-vol-2&p=6630177&viewfull=1#post6630177

[vbnetkhio]

Add this man too. Also, I've posted some other Serbian results too, one of which is from Leskovac. You should add them to your tables.

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?320262-South-Slavic-amp-neighbours-gedmatch-results-vol-2&p=6630177&viewfull=1#post6630177

updated

Serb_Serbia_Shopluk,23.50,27.64,18.07,9.25,17.09,1 .63,0.65,0.12,1.05,0.38,0.47,0.23,0.10
Serb_Croatia_Dalmatia,25.49,29.53,16.66,8.89,15.69 ,1.15,0.67,0.19,0.73,0.56,0.34,0.08,0.04

[Lucas]

Ok someone can post avereages for adding to K13, K15 Vahaduo?

[vbnetkhio]

Ok someone can post avereages for adding to K13, K15 Vahaduo?

they are on page 55, + the Serbian average on 56 and the updates on this page

[Pribislav]

they are on page 55, + the Serbian average on 56 and the updates on this page

On page 55 still stay average for Dalmatian Serbs on 10 samples without Grulović, Aye's dad and Macura, change in new one on 13 samples.

[vbnetkhio]

Great job! :)

My result according to these average.

https://i.imgur.com/xScb7Ws.jpg

Target: Dušan
Distance: 3.6259% / 3.62591823
70.0 Serb_B&H_East_Bosnia
30.0 Serb_B&H_Bosnian_Krajina

Target: Dušan
Distance: 3.6265% / 3.62645628 | ADC: 0.25x
71.2 Serb_B&H_East_Bosnia
28.8 Serb_B&H_Bosnian_Krajina

Target: Dušan
Distance: 3.6333% / 3.63327175 | ADC: 0.5x
74.6 Serb_B&H_East_Bosnia
25.4 Serb_B&H_Bosnian_Krajina

Target: Dušan
Distance: 3.8138% / 3.81375626 | ADC: 1x
74.6 Serb_B&H_East_Bosnia
25.4 Serb_Serbia_West&Central

the East Bosnians i have are "Slavic-Moldavian" shifted, that's why you get it. but on a larger sample i'm sure more southern ones will appear and the East Bosnian average will end up very similar to othes.

what do you think, would it be better to make averages by genetic groupings rather than geographic?

[Dušan]

I am not sure, both ideas are good. I would keep geographic regions, but make regions larger.
Banija, Kordun, Lika, Dalmatia and Bosanska Krajina are one region by origin of their Serb population.

But on the other hand, there are lot of people whose origin are from different region - one grandpa from Lika, other from Šumadija, one grandma from Vojvodina, other grandma from east Bosnia etc.
How to place them?

[Pribislav]

I am not sure, both ideas are good. I would keep geographic regions, but make regions larger.
Banija, Kordun, Lika, Dalmatia and Bosanska Krajina are one region by origin of their Serb population.

But on the other hand, there are lot of people whose origin are from different region - one grandpa from Lika, other from Šumadija, one grandma from Vojvodina, other grandma from east Bosnia etc.
How to place them?

Serbs with ancestors from different regions should be only calculated in general Serbian average, not in any regional.

[vbnetkhio]

Serbs with ancestors from different regions should be only calculated in general Serbian average, not in any regional.

that's what i did.

[vbnetkhio]

I am not sure, both ideas are good. I would keep geographic regions, but make regions larger.


How about this, a little bit experimental:

4 averages based on 4 corners of the Serbian cluster which all Serbs can be shown as a mixture of. each is based on only 2 samples.


Montenegrin_Coast,27.26,21.22,20.05,10.52,17.58,1. 13,0.12,0.23,0.70,0.86,0.04,0.03,0.26
Serbia_far_south,18.98,26.35,19.20,10.89,20.90,1.7 0,0.44,0.00,0.87,0.10,0.59,0.00,0.01
Serb_Slavic_shifted,22.26,35.21,16.26,10.29,12.67, 1.43,0.14,0.59,0.84,0.00,0.34,0.00,0.00
Serb_Germanic_shifted,29.17,31.95,15.68,6.42,11.22 ,2.66,0.88,1.08,0.01,0.60,0.35,0.00,0.00

the average of these 4, from 8 samples:

Serb,24.41,28.68,17.80,9.53,15.59,1.73,0.39,0.47,0 .60,0.39,0.33,0.01,0.07

it's very similar to the academic Belgrade average, and my Serbian average from more than 200 samples.


i based this on this PCA:
https://i.imgur.com/Z5UA9fz.png
i cut of some of the more Germanic samples, i don't have any info about them, i doubt they are full Serbs.


i think this way the entire Serbian range is captured.
averaging out Serbs by large geographic regions with a proper sample just results in a dozen identical averages.

[vbnetkhio]

@Dušan
k15 and k36 values if you want to do the Tolan tools for them:

SerbMontenegrin_CoastSerbia_far_southSerb_Slavic_s hiftedSerb_Germanic_shifted
17.9117.1318.4016.3319.79
13.9218.357.7811.5718.00
19.2916.3815.9923.9420.87
11.055.5110.5515.5612.59
13.7315.1616.2112.1711.39
9.1910.5610.949.555.71
12.2514.3417.919.427.34
1.631.141.471.142.78
0.240.000.160.000.80
0.130.000.000.080.43
0.200.550.150.090.00
0.200.610.000.000.19
0.200.000.470.180.16
0.050.180.000.000.00
0.030.110.000.000.00
SerbMontenegrin_CoastSerbia_far_southSerb_Slavic_s hiftedSerb_Germanic_shifted
0.000.000.000.000.00
0.120.000.000.000.47
2.463.243.802.180.65
1.001.710.001.640.64
0.000.000.000.000.00
6.484.855.947.757.39
0.000.000.000.000.00
0.000.000.000.000.00
9.9312.529.3311.526.34
0.000.000.000.000.00
13.6611.5710.1017.6615.34
6.146.4911.543.952.57
8.303.628.4810.2810.83
3.690.353.046.325.05
3.614.403.902.943.21
7.9011.915.374.2810.05
0.000.000.000.000.00
14.0414.6915.9611.9513.57
0.000.000.000.000.00
1.683.012.340.440.96
0.000.000.000.000.00
4.424.860.001.9210.90
4.233.925.314.063.64
7.188.626.837.975.31
0.000.000.000.000.00
0.000.000.000.000.00
0.000.000.000.000.00
0.000.000.000.000.00
0.000.000.000.000.00
0.000.000.000.000.00
0.170.000.000.000.67
0.000.000.000.000.00
0.110.000.450.000.00
0.000.000.000.000.00
1.141.511.531.420.09
3.752.786.123.732.38

for Vahaduo


Serb,17.91,13.92,19.29,11.05,13.73,9.19,12.25,1.63 ,0.24,0.13,0.20,0.20,0.20,0.05,0.03
Montenegrin_Coast,17.13,18.35,16.38,5.51,15.16,10. 56,14.34,1.14,0.00,0.00,0.55,0.61,0.00,0.18,0.11
Serbia_far_south,18.40,7.78,15.99,10.55,16.21,10.9 4,17.91,1.47,0.16,0.00,0.15,0.00,0.47,0.00,0.00
Serb_Slavic_shifted,16.33,11.57,23.94,15.56,12.17, 9.55,9.42,1.14,0.00,0.08,0.09,0.00,0.18,0.00,0.00
Serb_Germanic_shifted,19.79,18.00,20.87,12.59,11.3 9,5.71,7.34,2.78,0.80,0.43,0.00,0.19,0.16,0.00,0.0 0

Serb,0.00,0.12,2.46,1.00,0.00,6.48,0.00,0.00,9.93, 0.00,13.66,6.14,8.30,3.69,3.61,7.90,0.00,14.04,0.0 0,1.68,0.00,4.42,4.23,7.18,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.0 0,0.00,0.17,0.00,0.11,0.00,1.14,3.75
Montenegrin_Coast,0.00,0.00,3.24,1.71,0.00,4.85,0. 00,0.00,12.52,0.00,11.57,6.49,3.62,0.35,4.40,11.91 ,0.00,14.69,0.00,3.01,0.00,4.86,3.92,8.62,0.00,0.0 0,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,1.51,2.7 8
Serbia_far_south,0.00,0.00,3.80,0.00,0.00,5.94,0.0 0,0.00,9.33,0.00,10.10,11.54,8.48,3.04,3.90,5.37,0 .00,15.96,0.00,2.34,0.00,0.00,5.31,6.83,0.00,0.00, 0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.45,0.00,1.53,6.12
Serb_Slavic_shifted,0.00,0.00,2.18,1.64,0.00,7.75, 0.00,0.00,11.52,0.00,17.66,3.95,10.28,6.32,2.94,4. 28,0.00,11.95,0.00,0.44,0.00,1.92,4.06,7.97,0.00,0 .00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,1.42,3 .73
Serb_Germanic_shifted,0.00,0.47,0.65,0.64,0.00,7.3 9,0.00,0.00,6.34,0.00,15.34,2.57,10.83,5.05,3.21,1 0.05,0.00,13.57,0.00,0.96,0.00,10.90,3.64,5.31,0.0 0,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.67,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.0 9,2.38

[Dušan]

Well, according to that way, I am closer to overall Romanian average than to South Serbian average. I am not sure is it correct. :confused:

But I got ok mixed mode results.

Target: Dušan
Distance: 1.7295% / 1.72949741 | ADC: 0.25x
86.0 Serb_Slavic_shifted
6.4 Sardinian
3.4 Croatian
2.2 Kargopol_Russian
1.2 Mari
0.8 Ukrainian

Target: Dušan
Distance: 2.4862% / 2.48618358 | ADC: 0.5x
95.8 Serb_Slavic_shifted
3.6 Sardinian
0.6 Serb_Germanic_shifted

Target: Dušan
Distance: 3.5173% / 3.51734151 | ADC: 1x
94.4 Serb_Slavic_shifted
5.6 Serb

[vbnetkhio]

Well, according to that way, I am closer to overall Romanian average than to South Serbian average. I am not sure is it correct. :confused:

But I got ok mixed mode results.

Target: Dušan
Distance: 1.7295% / 1.72949741 | ADC: 0.25x
86.0 Serb_Slavic_shifted
6.4 Sardinian
3.4 Croatian
2.2 Kargopol_Russian
1.2 Mari
0.8 Ukrainian

Target: Dušan
Distance: 2.4862% / 2.48618358 | ADC: 0.5x
95.8 Serb_Slavic_shifted
3.6 Sardinian
0.6 Serb_Germanic_shifted

Target: Dušan
Distance: 3.5173% / 3.51734151 | ADC: 1x
94.4 Serb_Slavic_shifted
5.6 Serb

it's far south., near the Macedonian border. not Niš or Leskovac.

[Dušan]

it's far south., near the Macedonian border. not Niš or Leskovac.

Ok, I understand.

[Dušan]

@Dušan
k15 and k36 values if you want to do the Tolan tools for them:

SerbMontenegrin_CoastSerbia_far_southSerb_Slavic_s hiftedSerb_Germanic_shifted
17.9117.1318.4016.3319.79
13.9218.357.7811.5718.00
19.2916.3815.9923.9420.87
11.055.5110.5515.5612.59
13.7315.1616.2112.1711.39
9.1910.5610.949.555.71
12.2514.3417.919.427.34
1.631.141.471.142.78
0.240.000.160.000.80
0.130.000.000.080.43
0.200.550.150.090.00
0.200.610.000.000.19
0.200.000.470.180.16
0.050.180.000.000.00
0.030.110.000.000.00


https://i.imgur.com/GxtMGds.png

[vbnetkhio]

Well, according to that way, I am closer to overall Romanian average than to South Serbian average. I am not sure is it correct. :confused:

But I got ok mixed mode results.

Target: Dušan
Distance: 1.7295% / 1.72949741 | ADC: 0.25x
86.0 Serb_Slavic_shifted
6.4 Sardinian
3.4 Croatian
2.2 Kargopol_Russian
1.2 Mari
0.8 Ukrainian

Target: Dušan
Distance: 2.4862% / 2.48618358 | ADC: 0.5x
95.8 Serb_Slavic_shifted
3.6 Sardinian
0.6 Serb_Germanic_shifted

Target: Dušan
Distance: 3.5173% / 3.51734151 | ADC: 1x
94.4 Serb_Slavic_shifted
5.6 Serb

mine, original eurogenes sheet + these 5 new averages - the old Serbian average
it's in R oracle, vahaduo results don't make much sense for me


[,1] [,2]
[1,] "Serb" "5.6826"
[2,] "Serb_Slavic_shifted" "6.6"
[3,] "Moldavian" "7.9285"
[4,] "Serb_Germanic_shifted" "9.1841"
[5,] "Serbia_far_south" "10.1392"
[6,] "Croatian" "10.1675"
[7,] "Romanian" "10.2879"
[8,] "Bulgarian" "11.3652"
[9,] "Montenegrin_Coast" "12.9681"
[10,] "Hungarian" "13.3352"
[11,] "Ukrainian_Lviv" "16.6476"
[12,] "Austrian" "17.3444"
[13,] "Ukrainian" "17.6717"
[14,] "South_Polish" "18.0027"
[15,] "East_German" "18.1251"
[16,] "Greek_Thessaly" "20.288"
[17,] "Southwest_Russian" "21.3518"
[18,] "Polish" "21.5379"
[19,] "Ukrainian_Belgorod" "22.0183"
[20,] "Russian_Smolensk" "23.5086"
[,1] [,2]
[1,] "11.4 % Sardinian + 88.6 % Serb_Slavic_shifted" "3.1232"
[2,] "17.4 % North_Italian + 82.6 % Serb_Slavic_shifted" "4.4587"
[3,] "34.7 % Ukrainian + 65.3 % Serbia_far_south" "4.5333"
[4,] "49.9 % Croatian + 50.1 % Serbia_far_south" "4.6431"
[5,] "15.9 % Tuscan + 84.1 % Serb_Slavic_shifted" "4.6535"
[6,] "13.7 % Spanish_Valencia + 86.3 % Serb_Slavic_shifted" "4.6793"
[7,] "30 % Polish + 70 % Serbia_far_south" "4.6898"
[8,] "13.3 % Spanish_Andalucia + 86.7 % Serb_Slavic_shifted" "4.6994"
[9,] "36 % Ukrainian_Lviv + 64 % Serbia_far_south" "4.7104"
[10,] "23.7 % Estonian + 76.3 % Serbia_far_south" "4.7383"
[11,] "40.5 % Serb_Slavic_shifted + 59.5 % Serb" "4.7549"
[12,] "13.8 % Spanish_Extremadura + 86.2 % Serb_Slavic_shifted" "4.7867"
[13,] "14.5 % Portuguese + 85.5 % Serb_Slavic_shifted" "4.791"
[14,] "13.2 % Spanish_Murcia + 86.8 % Serb_Slavic_shifted" "4.8173"
[15,] "14.3 % Spanish_Galicia + 85.7 % Serb_Slavic_shifted" "4.8435"
[16,] "12.7 % Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha + 87.3 % Serb_Slavic_shifted" "4.8692"
[17,] "11.7 % Spanish_Aragon + 88.3 % Serb_Slavic_shifted" "4.8699"
[18,] "87.8 % Moldavian + 12.2 % Sardinian" "4.8943"
[19,] "12.7 % Spanish_Cantabria + 87.3 % Serb_Slavic_shifted" "4.9143"
[20,] "13.2 % Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + 86.8 % Serb_Slavic_shifted" "4.9256"
[,1] [,2]
[1,] "50% % Croatian + 50% % Serbia_far_south" "4.674"
[2,] "50% % Serb_Slavic_shifted + 50% % Serb" "5.3647"
[3,] "50% % Serbia_far_south + 50% % Serb_Germanic_shifted" "6.0542"
[4,] "50% % Croatian + 50% % Romanian" "6.8482"
[5,] "50% % Moldavian + 50% % Serb" "6.9166"
[6,] "50% % Moldavian + 50% % Serbia_far_south" "7.0586"
[7,] "50% % Bulgarian + 50% % Croatian" "7.0593"
[8,] "50% % East_Sicilian + 50% % Lithuanian" "7.2662"
[9,] "50% % Kargopol_Russian + 50% % Tuscan" "7.4322"
[10,] "50% % Lithuanian + 50% % West_Sicilian" "7.5968"
[11,] "50% % Moldavian + 50% % Serb_Slavic_shifted" "7.6616"
[12,] "50% % Serbia_far_south + 50% % Serb_Slavic_shifted" "7.8204"
[13,] "50% % Greek_Thessaly + 50% % Polish" "7.9805"
[14,] "50% % Serb_Slavic_shifted + 50% % Serb_Germanic_shifted" "8.0351"
[15,] "50% % Greek_Thessaly + 50% % Southwest_Russian" "8.1127"
[16,] "50% % East_Sicilian + 50% % Estonian" "8.1352"
[17,] "50% % Serb_Germanic_shifted + 50% % Serb" "8.1992"
[18,] "50% % Romanian + 50% % Serb_Germanic_shifted" "8.228"
[19,] "50% % Romanian + 50% % Serb_Slavic_shifted" "8.2509"
[20,] "50% % Moldavian + 50% % Romanian" "8.2908"

[Dušan]

Lets run for me that R oracle.

[vbnetkhio]

Lets run for me that R oracle.

here


[,1] [,2]
[1,] "Serb_Slavic_shifted" "3.7342"
[2,] "Moldavian" "5.1665"
[3,] "Serb" "6.6202"
[4,] "Croatian" "7.6836"
[5,] "Serb_Germanic_shifted" "8.3941"
[6,] "Romanian" "11.5856"
[7,] "Serbia_far_south" "11.9782"
[8,] "Hungarian" "12.1667"
[9,] "Bulgarian" "12.9876"
[10,] "Ukrainian_Lviv" "13.8208"
[11,] "Montenegrin_Coast" "14.7336"
[12,] "Ukrainian" "14.9527"
[13,] "South_Polish" "15.4658"
[14,] "Austrian" "16.6153"
[15,] "East_German" "17.0374"
[16,] "Southwest_Russian" "18.541"
[17,] "Polish" "18.9585"
[18,] "Ukrainian_Belgorod" "19.044"
[19,] "Russian_Smolensk" "20.7734"
[20,] "Estonian_Polish" "21.1582"
[,1] [,2]
[1,] "5.9 % Sardinian + 94.1 % Serb_Slavic_shifted" "2.2494"
[2,] "7.2 % Southwest_French + 92.8 % Serb_Slavic_shifted" "2.7974"
[3,] "7 % Spanish_Cantabria + 93 % Serb_Slavic_shifted" "2.8481"
[4,] "7.1 % Spanish_Valencia + 92.9 % Serb_Slavic_shifted" "2.8636"
[5,] "6.8 % Spanish_Andalucia + 93.2 % Serb_Slavic_shifted" "2.8708"
[6,] "7.6 % Spanish_Galicia + 92.4 % Serb_Slavic_shifted" "2.8807"
[7,] "6.2 % Spanish_Aragon + 93.8 % Serb_Slavic_shifted" "2.8835"
[8,] "6.7 % Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha + 93.3 % Serb_Slavic_shifted" "2.9097"
[9,] "7 % Spanish_Extremadura + 93 % Serb_Slavic_shifted" "2.9315"
[10,] "7.4 % Portuguese + 92.6 % Serb_Slavic_shifted" "2.9323"
[11,] "6.7 % Spanish_Murcia + 93.3 % Serb_Slavic_shifted" "2.9567"
[12,] "4.7 % French_Basque + 95.3 % Serb_Slavic_shifted" "2.9608"
[13,] "6.9 % Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + 93.1 % Serb_Slavic_shifted" "2.964"
[14,] "8 % North_Italian + 92 % Serb_Slavic_shifted" "2.992"
[15,] "6.9 % Spanish_Cataluna + 93.1 % Serb_Slavic_shifted" "3.0019"
[16,] "44.1 % Ukrainian + 55.9 % Serbia_far_south" "3.1988"
[17,] "6.5 % Tuscan + 93.5 % Serb_Slavic_shifted" "3.2136"
[18,] "75.3 % Serb_Slavic_shifted + 24.7 % Serb" "3.214"
[19,] "3.8 % Moroccan + 96.2 % Serb_Slavic_shifted" "3.2612"
[20,] "3.8 % Mozabite_Berber + 96.2 % Serb_Slavic_shifted" "3.2718"
[,1] [,2]
[1,] "50% % Moldavian + 50% % Serb_Slavic_shifted" "4.7469"
[2,] "50% % Moldavian + 50% % Serb" "5.3672"
[3,] "50% % Serb_Slavic_shifted + 50% % Serb" "5.3895"
[4,] "50% % Croatian + 50% % Serb" "5.5075"
[5,] "50% % Greek_Thessaly + 50% % Kargopol_Russian" "5.5647"
[6,] "50% % Bulgarian + 50% % Ukrainian_Lviv" "5.8193"
[7,] "50% % Ukrainian_Lviv + 50% % Serbia_far_south" "5.9531"
[8,] "50% % Ukrainian + 50% % Montenegrin_Coast" "6.4541"
[9,] "50% % Belorussian + 50% % Greek_Thessaly" "6.4847"
[10,] "50% % Croatian + 50% % Serb_Slavic_shifted" "6.894"
[11,] "50% % Bulgarian + 50% % Ukrainian" "6.9951"
[12,] "50% % Serb_Slavic_shifted + 50% % Serb_Germanic_shifted" "7.1187"
[13,] "50% % Ukrainian + 50% % Serbia_far_south" "7.2547"
[14,] "50% % Ukrainian_Lviv + 50% % Montenegrin_Coast" "7.279"
[15,] "50% % Serb_Germanic_shifted + 50% % Serb" "7.3034"
[16,] "50% % Hungarian + 50% % Serbia_far_south" "7.3257"
[17,] "50% % Croatian + 50% % Moldavian" "7.351"
[18,] "50% % Estonian_Polish + 50% % Greek_Thessaly" "7.4659"
[19,] "50% % Moldavian + 50% % Serb_Germanic_shifted" "7.7578"
[20,] "50% % Romanian + 50% % Ukrainian_Lviv" "7.8458"

[Dušan]

here


[,1] [,2]
[1,] "Serb_Slavic_shifted" "3.7342"
[2,] "Moldavian" "5.1665"
[3,] "Serb" "6.6202"
[4,] "Croatian" "7.6836"
[5,] "Serb_Germanic_shifted" "8.3941"
[6,] "Romanian" "11.5856"
[7,] "Serbia_far_south" "11.9782"
[8,] "Hungarian" "12.1667"
[9,] "Bulgarian" "12.9876"
[10,] "Ukrainian_Lviv" "13.8208"
[11,] "Montenegrin_Coast" "14.7336"
[12,] "Ukrainian" "14.9527"
[13,] "South_Polish" "15.4658"
[14,] "Austrian" "16.6153"
[15,] "East_German" "17.0374"
[16,] "Southwest_Russian" "18.541"
[17,] "Polish" "18.9585"
[18,] "Ukrainian_Belgorod" "19.044"
[19,] "Russian_Smolensk" "20.7734"
[20,] "Estonian_Polish" "21.1582"
[,1] [,2]
[1,] "5.9 % Sardinian + 94.1 % Serb_Slavic_shifted" "2.2494"
[2,] "7.2 % Southwest_French + 92.8 % Serb_Slavic_shifted" "2.7974"
[3,] "7 % Spanish_Cantabria + 93 % Serb_Slavic_shifted" "2.8481"
[4,] "7.1 % Spanish_Valencia + 92.9 % Serb_Slavic_shifted" "2.8636"
[5,] "6.8 % Spanish_Andalucia + 93.2 % Serb_Slavic_shifted" "2.8708"
[6,] "7.6 % Spanish_Galicia + 92.4 % Serb_Slavic_shifted" "2.8807"
[7,] "6.2 % Spanish_Aragon + 93.8 % Serb_Slavic_shifted" "2.8835"
[8,] "6.7 % Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha + 93.3 % Serb_Slavic_shifted" "2.9097"
[9,] "7 % Spanish_Extremadura + 93 % Serb_Slavic_shifted" "2.9315"
[10,] "7.4 % Portuguese + 92.6 % Serb_Slavic_shifted" "2.9323"
[11,] "6.7 % Spanish_Murcia + 93.3 % Serb_Slavic_shifted" "2.9567"
[12,] "4.7 % French_Basque + 95.3 % Serb_Slavic_shifted" "2.9608"
[13,] "6.9 % Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon + 93.1 % Serb_Slavic_shifted" "2.964"
[14,] "8 % North_Italian + 92 % Serb_Slavic_shifted" "2.992"
[15,] "6.9 % Spanish_Cataluna + 93.1 % Serb_Slavic_shifted" "3.0019"
[16,] "44.1 % Ukrainian + 55.9 % Serbia_far_south" "3.1988"
[17,] "6.5 % Tuscan + 93.5 % Serb_Slavic_shifted" "3.2136"
[18,] "75.3 % Serb_Slavic_shifted + 24.7 % Serb" "3.214"
[19,] "3.8 % Moroccan + 96.2 % Serb_Slavic_shifted" "3.2612"
[20,] "3.8 % Mozabite_Berber + 96.2 % Serb_Slavic_shifted" "3.2718"
[,1] [,2]
[1,] "50% % Moldavian + 50% % Serb_Slavic_shifted" "4.7469"
[2,] "50% % Moldavian + 50% % Serb" "5.3672"
[3,] "50% % Serb_Slavic_shifted + 50% % Serb" "5.3895"
[4,] "50% % Croatian + 50% % Serb" "5.5075"
[5,] "50% % Greek_Thessaly + 50% % Kargopol_Russian" "5.5647"
[6,] "50% % Bulgarian + 50% % Ukrainian_Lviv" "5.8193"
[7,] "50% % Ukrainian_Lviv + 50% % Serbia_far_south" "5.9531"
[8,] "50% % Ukrainian + 50% % Montenegrin_Coast" "6.4541"
[9,] "50% % Belorussian + 50% % Greek_Thessaly" "6.4847"
[10,] "50% % Croatian + 50% % Serb_Slavic_shifted" "6.894"
[11,] "50% % Bulgarian + 50% % Ukrainian" "6.9951"
[12,] "50% % Serb_Slavic_shifted + 50% % Serb_Germanic_shifted" "7.1187"
[13,] "50% % Ukrainian + 50% % Serbia_far_south" "7.2547"
[14,] "50% % Ukrainian_Lviv + 50% % Montenegrin_Coast" "7.279"
[15,] "50% % Serb_Germanic_shifted + 50% % Serb" "7.3034"
[16,] "50% % Hungarian + 50% % Serbia_far_south" "7.3257"
[17,] "50% % Croatian + 50% % Moldavian" "7.351"
[18,] "50% % Estonian_Polish + 50% % Greek_Thessaly" "7.4659"
[19,] "50% % Moldavian + 50% % Serb_Germanic_shifted" "7.7578"
[20,] "50% % Romanian + 50% % Ukrainian_Lviv" "7.8458"

Slavic shifted Serb with a bit more west Med blood.
Nice results. Thanks!


EDIT: We have quite similar mixed mode oracles.

[vbnetkhio]

from kits with confirmed ancestry only:

samplespopulatonNorth_AtlanticBalticWest_MedWest_A sianEast_MedRed_SeaSouth_AsianEast_AsianSiberianAm erindianOceanianNortheast_AfricanSub_Saharan

131Serb (without Montenegrins)25.0729.9217.038.7515.351.590.480.290 .670.430.300.080.04
58Serb_Croatia25.1729.6617.328.7315.331.640.490.29 0.560.390.290.080.04
22Serb_B&H25.3030.8216.628.3914.731.890.350.320.750.430.350 .060.02
29Serb_Serbia24.6229.7216.848.7816.341.320.520.300 .660.490.270.050.04

20Montenegrin24.5025.3718.4210.2617.242.300.150.23 0.790.390.260.020.06



Serb,25.07,29.92,17.03,8.75,15.35,1.59,0.48,0.29,0 .67,0.43,0.30,0.08,0.04
Serb_Croatia,25.17,29.66,17.32,8.73,15.33,1.64,0.4 9,0.29,0.56,0.39,0.29,0.08,0.04
Serb_B&H,25.30,30.82,16.62,8.39,14.73,1.89,0.35,0.32,0.75 ,0.43,0.35,0.06,0.02
Serb_Serbia,24.62,29.72,16.84,8.78,16.34,1.32,0.52 ,0.30,0.66,0.49,0.27,0.05,0.04
Montenegrin,24.50,25.37,18.42,10.26,17.24,2.30,0.1 5,0.23,0.79,0.39,0.26,0.02,0.06

[Jana]

^^^^Why without Montenegrins? Montenegrins who identify as Serbs need to be included in Serb average to make it as realistic as possible.

[vbnetkhio]

^^^^Why without Montenegrins? Montenegrins who identify as Serbs need to be included in Serb average to make it as realistic as possible.

doesn't change much

Serb,24.96,29.31,17.20,8.97,15.66,1.66,0.45,0.28,0 .67,0.42,0.30,0.08,0.04

[Leto]

from kits with confirmed ancestry only:

samplespopulatonNorth_AtlanticBalticWest_MedWest_A sianEast_MedRed_SeaSouth_AsianEast_AsianSiberianAm erindianOceanianNortheast_AfricanSub_Saharan

131Serb (without Montenegrins)25.0729.9217.038.7515.351.590.480.290 .670.430.300.080.04
58Serb_Croatia25.1729.6617.328.7315.331.640.490.29 0.560.390.290.080.04
22Serb_B&H25.3030.8216.628.3914.731.890.350.320.750.430.350 .060.02
29Serb_Serbia24.6229.7216.848.7816.341.320.520.300 .660.490.270.050.04

20Montenegrin24.5025.3718.4210.2617.242.300.150.23 0.790.390.260.020.06



Serb,25.07,29.92,17.03,8.75,15.35,1.59,0.48,0.29,0 .67,0.43,0.30,0.08,0.04
Serb_Croatia,25.17,29.66,17.32,8.73,15.33,1.64,0.4 9,0.29,0.56,0.39,0.29,0.08,0.04
Serb_B&H,25.30,30.82,16.62,8.39,14.73,1.89,0.35,0.32,0.75 ,0.43,0.35,0.06,0.02
Serb_Serbia,24.62,29.72,16.84,8.78,16.34,1.32,0.52 ,0.30,0.66,0.49,0.27,0.05,0.04
Montenegrin,24.50,25.37,18.42,10.26,17.24,2.30,0.1 5,0.23,0.79,0.39,0.26,0.02,0.06

They're all remarkably homogenous, except for Montenegro which is now an independent country.

This stuff should be used for Vahaduo.

[Terminator98]

They're all remarkably homogenous, except for Montenegro which is now an independent country.

This stuff should be used for Vahaduo.

Their "independence" is a political thing of their president (who is in power for almost 30 years) and I agree with Feiichi, they should be included in the Serbian average, because majority of people in Montenegro consider themselves as Serbs.

[Dušan]

They're all remarkably homogenous, except for Montenegro which is now an independent country.

This stuff should be used for Vahaduo.

Yes, as I always said, we are pretty homogeneous people, no matter from what geographic region came.

Good results as always vbnetkhio, still, I think that average for Serbs from Krajina ("croatia") is a bit more northern. I dont know what samples you used, but this is my Krajina Serb average.

Krajina_Serb_average,24.71,31.76,16.79,8.22,14.62, 1.55,0.43,0.22,0.81,0.56,0.38,0.03,0.03

[ezyeez]

These are my results. 3/4 Serbian 1/4 Croatian ancestry

North_Atlantic 29.01 Pct
Baltic 29.62 Pct
West_Med 13.46 Pct
West_Asian 7.43 Pct
East_Med 15.55 Pct
Red_Sea 2.64 Pct
South_Asian 1.06 Pct
East_Asian 0.48 Pct
Amerindian 0.62 Pct
Oceanian 0.05 Pct
Northeast_African 0.06 Pct

[Jana]

Yes, as I always said, we are pretty homogeneous people, no matter from what geographic region came.

Good results as always vbnetkhio, still, I think that average for Serbs from Krajina ("croatia") is a bit more northern. I dont know what samples you used, but this is my Krajina Serb average.

Krajina_Serb_average,24.71,31.76,16.79,8.22,14.62, 1.55,0.43,0.22,0.81,0.56,0.38,0.03,0.03

You won't like how you guys plot xD

Distance to: Krajina_Serb_average

1.55862119 Bosniak
1.58278236 Croat_Herzegovina
1.59414554 Croat_Dalmatia
1.94927420 Serbian
1.97547463 Serb_Croatia
2.20432246 Serbian_Bosnia
2.25107145 Bosniak_Sarajevo
2.46617112 Croat_BiH
2.83441352 Croat_Tropolje
3.05137674 Romanian_North_Moldova_Bukovina
3.10650930 Croat_Bosnia
3.52513830 Croat_Lika-Senj
4.01778546 Romanian_Botosani
4.43603426 Szekely_Hungarian
4.50277692 Serb_Belgrade
4.87246344 Romanian_Average
5.24254709 Croat
5.26837736 Moldavian
5.52844463 Romanian_South_Central_Moldova
5.79063900 Bulgarian_Pleven
5.84425359 Croat_Croatia
5.98047657 Bulgarian_Dupnitsa
6.12058004 Croat_Zagreb
6.32412840 Bosniak_Tuzla
6.37733487 Csango_Gymes

[Jana]

Their "independence" is a political thing of their president (who is in power for almost 30 years) and I agree with Feiichi, they should be included in the Serbian average, because majority of people in Montenegro consider themselves as Serbs.

Yes, and it will help make distinction between Croats and Serbs which is in interest of most people here. Without Montenegrins it will be too close.

[Dušan]

Yes, and it will help make distinction between Croats and Serbs which is in interest of most people here. Without Montenegrins it will be too close.

Why don't you add more ph2ter kajkavian samples, and we will be far far away?
They are more than 30% of Croats, and they are underrepresented because of that Herzegovina Catholic Serbs you added.

[Jana]

Why don't you add more ph2ter kajkavian samples, and we will be far far away?
They are more than 30% of Croats, and they are underrepresented because of that Herzegovina Catholic Serbs you added.

I added them to general average which is just ''Croat'' and Croat_Croatia. Also included central region which is similar to them.
Ex-Catholic orthodox Vlach like you should keep quiet. Unlike your ancestors. Herzegovina Croats remained Catholic.

[Dušan]

You won't like how you guys plot xD

Distance to: Krajina_Serb_average

1.55862119 Bosniak
1.58278236 Croat_Herzegovina
1.59414554 Croat_Dalmatia
1.94927420 Serbian
1.97547463 Serb_Croatia
2.20432246 Serbian_Bosnia
2.25107145 Bosniak_Sarajevo
2.46617112 Croat_BiH
2.83441352 Croat_Tropolje
3.05137674 Romanian_North_Moldova_Bukovina
3.10650930 Croat_Bosnia
3.52513830 Croat_Lika-Senj
4.01778546 Romanian_Botosani
4.43603426 Szekely_Hungarian
4.50277692 Serb_Belgrade
4.87246344 Romanian_Average
5.24254709 Croat
5.26837736 Moldavian
5.52844463 Romanian_South_Central_Moldova
5.79063900 Bulgarian_Pleven
5.84425359 Croat_Croatia
5.98047657 Bulgarian_Dupnitsa
6.12058004 Croat_Zagreb
6.32412840 Bosniak_Tuzla
6.37733487 Csango_Gymes

Yes, Muslim and Catholic Serb apostates.
Still Krajina Serba are very very far away from kaykavian NW Croats.

[Jana]

Btw, Dalmatian average is more southern than Herzegovina one, and Istrian even more (small sample size though)
People in Istria are Serbs?

Distance to: Croat_Istria

1.02779162 Serbian
1.59818647 Bosniak
1.98710845 Serb_Croatia
2.38323310 Croat_Dalmatia
2.60474567 Croat_Herzegovina
2.70630301 Bosniak_Sarajevo
2.93433766 Serbian_Bosnia
2.96123285 Croat_BiH
3.14254674 Croat_Tropolje
3.31495098 Serb_Belgrade
3.45508321 Romanian_North_Moldova_Bukovina
3.76142260 Croat_Bosnia
3.79618229 Romanian_Average
4.24976470 Croat_Lika-Senj
4.37972602 Romanian_South_Central_Moldova
4.91365444 Bulgarian_Pleven
4.97484673 Romanian_Botosani
5.11121316 Szekely_Hungarian
5.13359523 Bulgarian_Dupnitsa
5.64904204 Montenegrin
5.88161542 Croat
5.94180107 Romanian_Transylvania
6.28059711 Moldavian
6.33160327 Bosniak_Sandzak
6.35971697 Bulgarian_Sofia

[Jana]

Yes, Muslim and Catholic Serb apostates.
Still Krajina Serba are very very far away from kaykavian NW Croats.

You are similar to southern Croats, far more than to southeast Serbs and Montenegrins. Just like they are far closer to western Serbs than to northwest Croats.
Dinaric Slavs are very similar, and I don't think it matter who was founding tribe.

I can't say I am thrilled with that, but it is what it is.

[Dušan]

I added them to general average which is just ''Croat'' and Croat_Croatia. Also included central region which is similar to them.
Ex-Catholic orthodox Vlach like you should keep quiet. Unlike your ancestors. Herzegovina Croats remained Catholic.

Ex-Catholic? :pound:
You are crazy as fuck. And stupid ignorant.

Add more kaykavian and real Croat chakavian results and we will be far away. :thumb001:

[Jana]

Ex-Catholic? :pound:
You are crazy as fuck. And stupid ignorant.

Add more kaykavian and real Croat chakavian results and we will be far away. :thumb001:

East Herzegovina was Latin rite Christian before Orthodox. Only Raška was east Christian since beginnings. Keep in mind I nowhere said ''Croat''.
Don't like to equal religion with ethnicity. Nationalism in genetics is annoying.

[Dušan]

You are similar to southern Croats, far more than to southeast Serbs and Montenegrins. Just like they are far closer to western Serbs than to northwest Croats.
Dinaric Slavs are very similar, and I don't think it matter who was founding tribe.

I can't say I am thrilled with that, but it is what it is.

Not for a long.
We are intermarriage with southeast Serbs and other Serbia Serbs, and in next generation we will be away from that Catholic Serb apostates calling themselves southern Croats.

[Leto]

These are my results. 3/4 Serbian 1/4 Croatian ancestry

North_Atlantic 29.01 Pct
Baltic 29.62 Pct
West_Med 13.46 Pct
West_Asian 7.43 Pct
East_Med 15.55 Pct
Red_Sea 2.64 Pct
South_Asian 1.06 Pct
East_Asian 0.48 Pct
Amerindian 0.62 Pct
Oceanian 0.05 Pct
Northeast_African 0.06 Pct
Distance to: e
4.44334334 Croat_Bosnia
4.90337639 Croat_BiH
4.98602923 Serbian_Bosnia
5.09523307 Bosniak
5.19960575 Croat_Lika-Senj
5.34177190 Serbian
5.37697871 Szekely_Hungarian
5.61793556 Croat
5.62278780 Bosniak_Sarajevo
5.70964097 Croat_Tropolje
5.78376175 Csango_Gymes
5.87345724 Croat_Herzegovina
5.94430820 Croat_Croatia
5.99257874 Bulgarian_Dupnitsa
5.99324620 Croat_Dalmatia
6.05861370 Romanian_North_Moldova_Bukovina
6.08461996 Hungarian
6.37887137 Croat_Zagreb
6.42929234 Serb_Croatia
6.61955437 Serb_Belgrade

Target: e
Distance: 2.4853% / 2.48527473 | ADC: 0.5x
66.4 Croat_Bosnia
18.6 Hungarian_Transdanubia
14.2 Pomak_Central-Macedonia
0.8 Bulgarian_Southwest

Target: e
Distance: 1.8491% / 1.84909879 | ADC: 0.25x
43.8 Croat_Bosnia
30.4 Hungarian_Transdanubia
12.2 Croat_Lika-Senj
11.0 Pomak_Central-Macedonia
2.4 Yemenite_Jewish
0.2 Pomak_Plovdiv

Original spreadsheet:

Target: e
Distance: 2.9540% / 2.95402231 | ADC: 0.5x
68.6 Serbian
31.4 Hungarian

Target: e
Distance: 2.1545% / 2.15446371 | ADC: 0.25x
52.0 Serbian
42.2 Hungarian
3.0 Yemenite_Jewish
2.8 Belorussian

[ezyeez]

With other samples I added to sources:

Distance to: chunky
4.37836728 Serb_Serbia_Branicevo
4.40643847 Serb_Serbia_Timok
4.58757016 cro_bos_19
4.59709691 Croat_Bosnia_avg
4.76667599 Serb_Croatia_Banija_Kordun
4.77861905 Montenegrin_Old_Herzegovina
4.81793524 Serb_B&H_Northeast_Bosnia
4.89297456 crobos1
5.03574225 cro_herz_20
5.20699529 Serb_Serbia_Vojvodina
5.25044760 Serb_Krajina
5.26481719 cro_herz_13
5.27907189 Serb_Croatia_Dalmatia
5.34461411 Serb_B&H
5.52407458 Serb_Serbia_South_Morava
5.57769666 Serb_Croatia_Dalmatia
5.65016814 Serb_Croatia
5.67145484 Serb
5.75953991 Serb_Croatia
5.82061852 Croat_Herzegovina_avg
5.92784953 cro_bos_16
5.97679680 Serb_Serbia
5.99417217 Serb_B&H
6.12745461 Serb_B&H_Bosnian_Krajina
6.17024311 Serb_Serbia



The smallest distance I've gotten on anything is Serb_BH_ @ 3.663895 with MDLP K23b

[Dušan]

With other samples I added to sources:

Distance to: chunky
4.37836728 Serb_Serbia_Branicevo
4.40643847 Serb_Serbia_Timok
4.58757016 cro_bos_19
4.59709691 Croat_Bosnia_avg
4.76667599 Serb_Croatia_Banija_Kordun
4.77861905 Montenegrin_Old_Herzegovina
4.81793524 Serb_B&H_Northeast_Bosnia
4.89297456 crobos1
5.03574225 cro_herz_20
5.20699529 Serb_Serbia_Vojvodina
5.25044760 Serb_Krajina
5.26481719 cro_herz_13
5.27907189 Serb_Croatia_Dalmatia
5.34461411 Serb_B&H
5.52407458 Serb_Serbia_South_Morava
5.57769666 Serb_Croatia_Dalmatia
5.65016814 Serb_Croatia
5.67145484 Serb
5.75953991 Serb_Croatia
5.82061852 Croat_Herzegovina_avg
5.92784953 cro_bos_16
5.97679680 Serb_Serbia
5.99417217 Serb_B&H
6.12745461 Serb_B&H_Bosnian_Krajina
6.17024311 Serb_Serbia



The smallest distance I've gotten on anything is Serb_BH_ @ 3.663895 with MDLP K23b

Hi and welcome,

Where are your Serb ancestors from?

[Ljubic]

How come Bosnian and Dalmatian Croats are so similiar to Serbs in Gedmatch but in 23andMe the difference in East Euro is like 15%. Thats the case in most of my matches.

[ezyeez]

Hi and welcome,

Where are your Serb ancestors from?

2 grandparents from Kistanje, 1 from Plitvice. Lived there for a few centuries and then believed to have come from Montenegro

[Jana]

How come Bosnian and Dalmatian Croats are so similiar to Serbs in Gedmatch but in 23andMe the difference in East Euro is like 15%. Thats the case in most of my matches.

Mine too. Croats score significantly more EE.
Here is how southern Croats score on vahaduo

Distance to: Croat_Dalmatia

1.33379159 Serb_Krajina
1.42523682 Serb_B&H
1.63082801 Serb_Croatia
1.66054208 Bosniak
2.31253108 Croat_Tropolje
2.34458952 Croat_Herzegovina
2.57186703 Croat_BiH
2.62590937 Serb_Dalmatia
2.66493902 Serb
2.81455905 Bosniak_Sarajevo
2.89770599 Serb_Serbia
2.96986532 Croat_Bosnia
3.76686873 Croat_Lika-Senj
4.08192357 Szekely_Hungarian
4.20279669 Moldova_North
4.64151915 Serb_Belgrade
4.80068745 Croat
4.88405569 Romanian
4.98708332 Romania_Moldavia_North
5.13451069 Romania_Moldavia_average
5.30676926 Moldova_Centre
5.34991589 Serb_Shopluk
5.35981343 Croat_Croatia
5.64093964 Croat_Zagreb
5.70992119 Romania_Moldavia_South

Distance to: Croat_Bosnia

1.84021738 Croat_BiH
1.84645607 Croat_Lika-Senj
2.61866378 Croat_Herzegovina
2.64866004 Szekely_Hungarian
2.78677233 Bosniak
2.84856104 Croat
2.96986532 Croat_Dalmatia
3.07162823 Croat_Tropolje
3.15767319 Serb_Krajina
3.20125642 Bosniak_Sarajevo
3.38879034 Croat_Croatia
3.46707369 Serb_B&H
3.64802686 Croat_Zagreb
3.65347780 Serb_Croatia
3.66766956 Moldova_North
4.24185101 Serb_Dalmatia
4.70693106 Bosniak_Tuzla
4.72614007 Serb
4.76239436 Serb_Serbia
5.00491034 Slovenian
5.03179888 Csango_Gymes
5.36435457 Croat_Central_Croatia
5.80939756 Hungarian
6.39845294 Serb_Belgrade
6.65114276 Romania_Moldavia_North

Distance to: Croat_Herzegovina

1.36521061 Croat_BiH
1.65902059 Bosniak_Sarajevo
1.72577519 Bosniak
2.10152326 Serb_B&H
2.21826509 Croat_Tropolje
2.34458952 Croat_Dalmatia
2.45930885 Croat_Lika-Senj
2.47489394 Serb_Krajina
2.55164653 Serb_Croatia
2.61866378 Croat_Bosnia
3.27716341 Moldova_North
3.44215049 Serb_Serbia
3.55061966 Serb_Dalmatia
3.56732393 Szekely_Hungarian
3.80825419 Serb
4.20220180 Croat
4.81868239 Croat_Croatia
4.98511785 Bosniak_Tuzla
5.14708655 Croat_Zagreb
5.24655125 Romania_Moldavia_North
5.33802398 Moldova_Centre
5.54488954 Serb_Belgrade
5.80068099 Romanian
5.94049661 Romania_Moldavia_average
6.20149982 Csango_Gymes

[Jana]

You need to keep in mind I don't cherrypick and select only verified samples.
I also included academics form Split for example, who were low quality and pretty southern shifted for Croats.

If academic samples from Belgrade would be included in general Serb and Serb_Serbia average it will pull them further from Croats.
And ofcourse by adding Montenegrins and southern Serbs as separate regions to calculate the average.

It's all about being weighted.

[Dušan]

2 grandparents from Kistanje, 1 from Plitvice. Lived there for a few centuries and then believed to have come from Montenegro

Nice. One more Krajina Serb here. :)

Welcome again, dear. :thumb001:

[Dušan]

These are my results. 3/4 Serbian 1/4 Croatian ancestry

North_Atlantic 29.01 Pct
Baltic 29.62 Pct
West_Med 13.46 Pct
West_Asian 7.43 Pct
East_Med 15.55 Pct
Red_Sea 2.64 Pct
South_Asian 1.06 Pct
East_Asian 0.48 Pct
Amerindian 0.62 Pct
Oceanian 0.05 Pct
Northeast_African 0.06 Pct

This is your results. :)

with old Gedmatch Serbian result.

https://i.imgur.com/xiDEVDS.jpg


with new Serb averages that user vbnetkhio added.

https://i.imgur.com/d8htISY.jpg

[Jana]

This is your results. :)

with old Gedmatch Serbian result.

https://i.imgur.com/xiDEVDS.jpg


with new Serb averages that user vbnetkhio added.

https://i.imgur.com/d8htISY.jpg

Croatian averages are added too and stop being ridiculous by using that ''average'' which consists of 1 person from Zagreb with pretty atypical scores.

[Dušan]

New Serbian averages created on Poreklo forum.

Serb_Banija-Kordun,26.34,31.70,16.02,8.98,13.50,1.26,0.74,0.31 ,0.34,0.34,0.36,0.10,0
Serb_Dalmatia,25.86,29.8,16.58,9.16,15.27,1,0.49,0 .18,0.76,0.45,0.31,0.07,0.06
Serb_Krajina,25.39,31.20,16.65,8.69,14.35,1.42,0.6 7,0.27,0.53,0.40,0.33,0.07,0.03
Serb_Lika,24.63,31.53,17.16,7.93,14.54,1.75,0.72,0 .31,0.57,0.41,0.36,0.03,0.05
Serb_Serbia,24.77,29.72,16.87,8.91,15.98,1.30,0.69 ,0.25,0.61,0.49,0.27,0.04,0.09

[vbnetkhio]

How come Bosnian and Dalmatian Croats are so similiar to Serbs in Gedmatch but in 23andMe the difference in East Euro is like 15%. Thats the case in most of my matches.

this is why:
https://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads/38231-23andMe-s-methodology-artificially-purifies-your-ancestry-results

[Dušan]

Lukasz, you should update Serbian average with these results https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?313828-Serbian-Autosomal-DNA&p=6641220&viewfull=1#post6641220 and those that vbnetkhio posted https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?313828-Serbian-Autosomal-DNA&p=6639575&viewfull=1#post6639575

If you inserted Croatian averages for every fucking village, what is your problem with not updating Serbian averages?

[vbnetkhio]

Yes, as I always said, we are pretty homogeneous people, no matter from what geographic region came.

Good results as always vbnetkhio, still, I think that average for Serbs from Krajina ("croatia") is a bit more northern. I dont know what samples you used, but this is my Krajina Serb average.

Krajina_Serb_average,24.71,31.76,16.79,8.22,14.62, 1.55,0.43,0.22,0.81,0.56,0.38,0.03,0.03

i included only those with gedcoms or who confirmed their ancestry to Mingle. maybe Dalmatians are overrepresented in the sample, notice how the average is very similar to the Dalmatian Serb average from Poreklo.

[Pribislav]

i included only those with gedcoms or who confirmed their ancestry to Mingle. maybe Dalmatians are overrepresented in the sample, notice how the average is very similar to the Dalmatian Serb average from Poreklo.

About Serbian genetic should be included only Serbs, not Pashtuns from USA.

Btw, I have some Serbian kits which are not included in any Serbian average, but doesn't matter now. For example Dalmatian Serb Petar Tintor is not in your neither in Poreklo average 97805

[Pribislav]

Lukasz, you should update Serbian average with these results https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?313828-Serbian-Autosomal-DNA&p=6641220&viewfull=1#post6641220 and those that vbnetkhio posted https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?313828-Serbian-Autosomal-DNA&p=6639575&viewfull=1#post6639575

If you inserted Croatian averages for every fucking village, what is your problem with not updating Serbian averages?

I agree, Croatians have cluster for tons of their regions and for Serbs there is only 3-4 heavy outdated clusters.

Poreklo is serious site, with many members who have high knowledge about genetic.

[vbnetkhio]

You need to keep in mind I don't cherrypick and select only verified samples.


well academic samples ain't that, since they test the general population of an area, not just the main ethnicity of the country.

9/28 kits in the Serbia_Serb average have some ancestry from Prizren-Timok (a.k.a "Torlak") areas and the average still isn't as south plotting as those from Belgrade.

[Dušan]

i included only those with gedcoms or who confirmed their ancestry to Mingle. maybe Dalmatians are overrepresented in the sample, notice how the average is very similar to the Dalmatian Serb average from Poreklo.

And who is Mingle to advocate about Serbian autosomal results?

According to these results I am distant from both with distance of 6, but closer to Serbs from Serbia alone, than to Krajina ("croatia") Serbs, which is not likely to be true.
Krajina Serb average is a bit northern than that.

These are results of study of me, and one member of Poreklo forum about Krajina Serb autosomal genetic. We worked indendent from each other and got similar results.

Krajina_Serb_average,24.71,31.76,16.79,8.22,14.62, 1.55,0.43,0.22,0.81,0.56,0.38,0.03,0.03
Serb_Krajina,25.39,31.20,16.65,8.69,14.35,1.42,0.6 7,0.27,0.53,0.40,0.33,0.07,0.03

[Pribislav]

And who is Mingle to advocate about Serbian autosomal results?

According to these results I am distant from both with distance of 6, but closer to Serbs from Serbia alone, than to Krajina ("croatia") Serbs, which is not likely to be true.
Krajina Serb average is a bit northern than that.

These are results of study of me, and one member of Poreklo forum about Krajina Serb autosomal genetic. We worked indendent from each other and got similar results.

Krajina_Serb_average,24.71,31.76,16.79,8.22,14.62, 1.55,0.43,0.22,0.81,0.56,0.38,0.03,0.03
Serb_Krajina,25.39,31.20,16.65,8.69,14.35,1.42,0.6 7,0.27,0.53,0.40,0.33,0.07,0.03

Of course, there is many Lika and Kordun/Banija Serbs with 33-35% Baltic. Among Serbs from Serbs such Baltic score is very rare. Krajina Serbs and Serbs from Serbia can't have identical Baltic score.

[Dušan]

Of course, there is many Lika and Kordun/Banija Serbs with 33-35% Baltic. Among Serbs from Serbs such Baltic score is very rare. Krajina Serbs and Serbs from Serbia can't have identical Baltic score.

It's a bit difference, but noticable.
I don't want to get fucking Croats or Bosniaks as number 1, when my genetics is quite average for part of Serbs whom I belong.

[Pribislav]

It's a bit difference, but noticable.
I don't want to get fucking Croats or Bosniaks as number 1, when my genetics is quite average for part of Serbs whom I belong.

According to Poreklo average Krajina Serbs have for only 1.58% higher Baltic than Serbs from Serbia.
That 31.3% for Krajina Serbs is very close to your 31.76%, but their sample is 63 and your was 28. When on difference of 35 samples is very similar that means it's relevant.

[vbnetkhio]

And who is Mingle to advocate about Serbian autosomal results?

According to these results I am distant from both with distance of 6, but closer to Serbs from Serbia alone, than to Krajina ("croatia") Serbs, which is not likely to be true.
Krajina Serb average is a bit northern than that.

These are results of study of me, and one member of Poreklo forum about Krajina Serb autosomal genetic. We worked indendent from each other and got similar results.

Krajina_Serb_average,24.71,31.76,16.79,8.22,14.62, 1.55,0.43,0.22,0.81,0.56,0.38,0.03,0.03
Serb_Krajina,25.39,31.20,16.65,8.69,14.35,1.42,0.6 7,0.27,0.53,0.40,0.33,0.07,0.03


About Serbian genetic should be included only Serbs, not Pashtuns from USA.

Btw, I have some Serbian kits which are not included in any Serbian average, but doesn't matter now. For example Dalmatian Serb Petar Tintor is not in your neither in Poreklo average 97805

Mingle didn't claim or advocate for anything, he just emailed a dozen Serbs on gedmatch and asked them about their ancestry, that's all.
some of them had a Serbian name and results within Serbian range, but it turned out they are actually 1/2 Croatian or Bosniak, 1/4 Romanian, etc.
that's why it's not ok to include that Tintor man for example, just because his surname appears among Dalmatian Serbs.

[Pribislav]

Mingle didn't claim or advocate for anything, he just emailed a dozen Serbs on gedmatch and asked them about their ancestry, that's all.
some of them had a Serbian name and results within Serbian range, but it turned out they are actually 1/2 Croatian or Bosniak, 1/4 Romanian, etc.
that's why it's not ok to include that Tintor man for example, just because his surname appears among Dalmatian Serbs.

What is your problem with Banija Serb Milković who score 36.21% Baltic? He and his relatives are full Banija Serbs, according to my information. I got their names, one is Dragutin and will try to find of others (I have in my computer).

Petar Tintor is full Dalmatian Serb, his y dna is J2b1-M205.

[Pribislav]

What is your problem with Banija Serb Milković who score 36.21% Baltic? He and his relatives are full Banija Serbs, according to my information. I got their names, one is Dragutin and will try to find of others (I have in my computer).

Petar Tintor is full Dalmatian Serb, his y dna is J2b1-M205.

His nick on Poreklo was Dalmati. He is not active anymore.

[Pribislav]

His nick on Poreklo was Dalmati. He is not active anymore.

I remember when he said that his autosomal is northern for the fact that his y dna is J2b1-M205, and y dna of his maternal grandpa is also some kind of J2. It was a joke, of course.

[Ljubic]

this is why:
https://www.eupedia.com/forum/threads/38231-23andMe-s-methodology-artificially-purifies-your-ancestry-results

Wow really didnt know that. It still would mean that they are different though.

[vbnetkhio]

It's a bit difference, but noticable.
I don't want to get fucking Croats or Bosniaks as number 1, when my genetics is quite average for part of Serbs whom I belong.

it's because of the new South Croat averages, which turned out to be more south plotting than we believed.
with 34 Baltic you are even more Slavic than the average Bosniak or South Croat who are around 32. so of course you'll get them as #1.
the other way would be to split Serbs into genetic clusters, then you would get Slavic shifted Serbs as #1.

[Dušan]

it's because of the new South Croat averages, which turned out to be more south plotting than we believed.
with 34 Baltic you are even more Slavic than the average Bosniak or South Croat who are around 32. so of course you'll get them as #1.
the other way would be to split Serbs into genetic clusters, then you would get Slavic shifted Serbs as #1.

Average Baltic score for Serbs from Croatia is 31%.
My results are in range for Serbs from Croatia, nothing special and very different from that.

Serb_Krajina,25.39,31.20,16.65,8.69,14.35,1.42,0.6 7,0.27,0.53,0.40,0.33,0.07,0.03
Krajina_Serb_average,24.71,31.76,16.79,8.22,14.62, 1.55,0.43,0.22,0.81,0.56,0.38,0.03,0.03

[vbnetkhio]

Average Baltic score for Serbs from Croatia is 31%.
My results are in range for Serbs from Croatia, nothing special and very different from that.

Serb_Krajina,25.39,31.20,16.65,8.69,14.35,1.42,0.6 7,0.27,0.53,0.40,0.33,0.07,0.03
Krajina_Serb_average,24.71,31.76,16.79,8.22,14.62, 1.55,0.43,0.22,0.81,0.56,0.38,0.03,0.03

even if the average is 29 you are still normal, the average +- 5-6 is normal.

[vbnetkhio]

It still would mean that they are different though.

well yeah, a little bit more Slavic, but it gets overblown.

without this filtering commercial test results would look just like gedmatch calculators, but that would be too complicated for their average customer.

[Pribislav]

Average Baltic score for Serbs from Croatia is 31%.
My results are in range for Serbs from Croatia, nothing special and very different from that.

Serb_Krajina,25.39,31.20,16.65,8.69,14.35,1.42,0.6 7,0.27,0.53,0.40,0.33,0.07,0.03
Krajina_Serb_average,24.71,31.76,16.79,8.22,14.62, 1.55,0.43,0.22,0.81,0.56,0.38,0.03,0.03

To fell from 31.76% on 29.66% when sample is measured in dozens it must appear the dozens of new Montenegrin like results (impossible outside of Montenegro). 2.1% is huge difference on average on the samples of few dozens.

[Jana]

29 is realistic for Serbs overall (just like I predicted), 31 not.
Croatian Serbs dont have more Baltic than southern or western Croats, get out of your fantasy world.

It seems you guys include people based on surname and it is a joke. Not vbnethkio, talking about nordicist Pribislav

[Jana]

Also, not including Belgrade academic samples because they are "too southern" is clear bias and nothing else. Croats from Zagreb have similar Baltic like Herzegovina, not Zagorje or even central Croatia, so what?

Maybe this Belgrade samples represent common genetics in city with lot of Montenegrin ancestry.

[Dušan]

I am not Nordicist neither Balticist and my result are in range for group of Serbs that I belong.

Either delete all regional averages for both Serbs and Croats, and to stay just general values, or to put real Krajina Serb average!

[Pribislav]

29 is realistic for Serbs l, 31 not.
Croatian Serbs dont have more Baltic than southern or western Croats, get out of your fantasy world.

It seems you guys include people based on surname and it is a joke. Not vbnethkio, talking about nordicist Pribislav

Dušan got 31.76% Baltic for Krajina Serbs on 28 samples, and vbnetkhio claim 29.66% on 53.
To this be true, 25 samples between Dušan's 28 and vbnetkhio's 53 must be only 27% Baltic on average which is almost Montenegrin like avarage.

[Jana]

Your results are in range but on high end of Slavic input for Serbs. Just like Croats with 35% Baltic are on high end of Slavic and certanly not average.

[Jana]

Dušan got 31.76% Baltic for Krajina Serbs on 29 samples, and vbnetkhio claim 29.66% on 53.
To this be true, 24 samples between Dušan's 29 and vbnetkhio's 53 must be only 27% Baltic on average which is almost Mohtenegrin like avarage.

27 is absolutely not Montenegrin level as I have fairly many verified southern Croats with that amount of Baltic.

Average Montenegrins are 24-25

[Dušan]

Lets delete all regional averages and to stay this

Croat,28.17,33.10,14.63,7.80,11.67,1.42,0.60,0.20, 0.48,0.59,0.45,0.09,0.12
Serb,25.07,29.92,17.03,8.75,15.35,1.59,0.48,0.29,0 .67,0.43,0.30,0.08,0.04

I am ok with that.


But to add Herzegovina or Tropolje Croat average, and not to add Krajina Serb average is ridiculous!

[Jana]

Btw Istrian average of Baltic is 30 based on what I have so far.

[Jana]

Lets delete all regional averages and to stay this

Croat,28.17,33.10,14.63,7.80,11.67,1.42,0.60,0.20, 0.48,0.59,0.45,0.09,0.12
Serb,25.07,29.92,17.03,8.75,15.35,1.59,0.48,0.29,0 .67,0.43,0.30,0.08,0.04

I am ok with that.


But to add Herzegovina or Tropolje Croat average, and not to add Krajina Serb average is ridiculous!

I include all Serb regions in my runs made by Vbenthkio

Yes they should be added, but obviously his which has much larger sample size of confirmed samples. Or you send him those he lack so he can add them if they are verified.

[Pribislav]

27 is absolutely not Montenegrin level as I have fairly many verified southern Croats with that amount of Baltic.

Average Montenegrins are 24-25

Montenegrins are more like 26 on average.

Again I say, it's imposible to average Baltic is only 27 for Krajina Serbs on 25 samples between Dušan's 28 and vbnetkhio's 53 to fell for 2.1%. I made little mistake Dušan's sample was 28 and vbnetkhio claim 53.
27 Baltic is average for Shopluk Serbs.

[Jana]

Montenegrin are more like 26 on average.

Again I say, it's imposible to average Baltic between is only 27% for Krajina Serbs on 25 samples between Dušan's 28 and vbnetkhio's 53 to fell for 2.1%. I made little mistake Dušan's sample was 28 and vbnetkhio claim 53.
27% Baltic is average for Shopluk Serbs.

Just stop, nordicist who add people with completely unchecked background and almost never posted south shifted Serb. You don't know what is average for Shopluk based on 1 or 2 samples. Lot of western Serbs have 27% Baltic, a lot, especially since many Croats do to and we are more northern shifted overall.

You have no arguments, you just don't like his average.

[Pribislav]

Just stop, nordicist who add people with completely unchecked background and almost never posted south shifted Serb. You don't know what is average for Shopluk based on 1 or 2 samples. Lot of western Serbs have 27% Baltic, a lot, especially since many Croats do to and we are more northern shifted overall.

You have no arguments, you just don't like his average.

Wrong, Lika Serbs have high Baltic. According to vbnetkhio 31.45. Acoording to him Kordun/Banija Serbs are 30.92, and Dalmatian Serbs 29.53. Tell me how is possible that 31.45+30.92+29.53 / 3 = 29.66!? Lika+Kordun/Banija are 2/3 and Dalmatian ones are 1/3 or less in total sample.

[Jana]

Wrong, Lika Serbs have high Baltic. According to vbnetkhio 31.45. Acoording to him Kordun/Banija Serbs are 30.92, and Dalmatian Serbs 29.53. Tell me how is possible that 31.45+30.92+29.53 / 3 = 29.66!?

They have lot of variations and many certanly have low while others have high, unless you think Serbs are more northern than people here.

I don't count made up kits from HungryLion.

[vbnetkhio]

Croats from Zagreb have similar Baltic like Herzegovina, not Zagorje or even central Croatia, so what?

so it isn't representative for what we are researching here.
we are aiming for pre ww2 (mostly) rural populations here, right?

those academic averages should be included in the sheet just for fun, or to fill gaps where we don't have enough samples yet.


Maybe this Belgrade samples represent common genetics in city with lot of Montenegrin ancestry.

yes. there's probably some Macedonian and Vlach (Timok Romanian) admixture too. i have real gedmatch results of people like that, but i didn't include them in any average.

also there's one Austrian like sample, it could be a Danube Swabian or Hungarian.

[Jana]

Well, in Zagreb most of people are not from there so I say it represent average well. Capital city has huge amount of population percentage, would be weird to ignore it.

[Jana]

Or, do you mean to exclude academic samples completely? Why when you can combine them? More samples the better.

That's what I did.

[Pribislav]

They have lot of variations and many certanly have low while others have high, unless you think Serbs are more northern than people here.

I don't count made up kits from HungryLion.

Fuck of with him already, he is not mrmber of this for long time ago.
Dušan is 1/2 Lika and 1/2 Dalmatian Serb and he score 33.78% Baltic, HL is full Banija Serb and score 33.25 Baltic, Petar Tintor as full Dalmatian Serb score 31.31, and Aye's dad as also full Dalmatian Serb 31.47. For many people with 28 there are no evidences they are 100% Krajina Serbs, let alone Shopluk like 27.

[vbnetkhio]

Well, in Zagreb most of people are not from there so I say it represent average well. Capital city has huge amount of population percentage, would be weird to ignore it.

but we're making Serb and Croat ethnic group averages, not Serbian and Croatian country averages. it just makes a lot more sense.

[Jana]

Fuck of with him already, he is not mrmber of this for long time ago. Dušan is 1/2 Lika and 1/2 Dalmatian Serb and he score 33.78% Baltic, HL is full Banija Serb and score 33.25 Baltic, Petar Tintor as full Dalmatian Serb score 31.31, and Aye's dad as also full Dalmatian Serb 31.47. For many people with 28 there are no evidences they are 100% Krajina Serbs, let alone Shopluk like 27.

What is your IQ, 70?
I tought Vbnethkio said he only uses verified samples.

We have Croat from Livno with 38% Baltic, so what the f? You are dumb and don't understand what average means.

[Jana]

but we're making Serb and Croat ethnic group averages, not Serbian and Croatian country averages. it just makes a lot more sense.

People who are tested are of local majority ethnic group. Not foreigners of any kind.

[Pribislav]

What is your IQ, 70?
I tought Vbnethkio said he only uses verified samples.

We have Croat from Livno with 38% Baltic, so what the f?
You are dumb amd don't understand what avergage means.

I mentiomed Dušan, HL, Aye's dad and Petar Tintor as examples of people who have all ancestors from regions of Krajina. For many people we don't have evidences are thea 100% from one region or have mother or grandmother from other (I think mostly about regions which are far away geographically).

Max Soldo confirmed all ancestors from Livno area, and I don't claim that he is not 100% from Završje.

[Jana]

I mentiomed Dušan, HL, Aye's dad and Petar Tintor as examples of people who have all ancestors from regions of Krajina. For many people we don't have evidences are thea 100% from one region or have mother or grandmother from other (I think mostly about regions which are far away geographically).

Max Soldo confirmed all ancestors from Livno area, and I don't claim that he is not 100% from Završje.

He is much more Baltic than average anyway.
Decius has pretty Balkan shifted ancestry for western Serb with minor Croatian ancestry, as does this new member who is even quater.

None of them matter.

If you can't prove his samples are not legit, you should accept new reality and learn. Only idiots always claim the same thing.

[vbnetkhio]

Or, do you mean to exclude academic samples completely? Why when you can combine them? More samples the better.

That's what I did.

once when we have enough proper samples, yes. until then we can fill gaps with them as i said. like in Montenegro, we don't have enough real samples so i used the academics for the average too. the average isn't too far from the truth, but it surely has little bits of recent admixture from all over former Yugoslavia, since it's from the capital Podgorica.

[Pribislav]

He is much more Baltic than average anyway.
Decius has pretty Balkan shiftdd ancestry for western Serb with minor Croatian amcestry, as.does this new member who is even quater.

Even Decius score higher Baltic than what vtbnekhio claim for Serbs from Croatia. And yes, Decius is almost full Serb from Croatia (minus one Croatian great-grandmother).

[vbnetkhio]

People who are tested are of local majority ethnic group. Not foreigners of any kind.

in the west Balkan study? when then they didn't do a very good job, i won't mention again all the weird samples from each coutry they included.

[Jana]

Even Decius have higher Baltic than what vtbnekhio claim for Serbs from Croatia. And yes, Decius is almost full Serb from Croatia (minus one Croatian great-grandmother).

Okay Pribislav continue living in your alternate reality where Krajina Serbs are more Slavic than Dalmatian Croats and also Istrian Croats.

You are Russians of Croatia.

[Jana]

in the west Balkan study? when then they didn't do a very good job, i won't mention again all the weird samples from each coutry they included.

Weird sample doesnt mean foreign ancestry. I have enough of Croats to know that. Some people have issue to accept their group can have quite a variation.

[Pribislav]

Okay Pribislav continue living in your alternate reality where Krajina Serbs are more Slavic than Dalmatian Croats and also Istrian Croats.

You are Russians of Croatia.

I just want to someone explain me how is possible that Dušan got 31.76 on 28 samples, and guy who claim he is a Serb and never said here any sentence on Serbian language (not even in pm) got 29.66% on 53 samples??
Do you guys at all have any logic in you mind? To fell from 31.76% on 28 samples on 29.66% on 53 samples, average for 25 between 28 and 53 must only 27% (I talking here about average for 25 people, and that means some of them score 23-24% which is too low even for Montenegrins).

[Jana]

I just want to someone explain me how is possible that Dušan got 31.76 on 28 samples, and guy who claim he is a Serb and never said here any sentence on Serbian language (not even in pm) got 29.66% on 53 samples.
Do you guys at all have any logic in you mind? To fell from 31.76% on 28 samples on 29.66% on 53 samples, average for 25 between 28 and 53 must only 27% (I talking here about average 25 people, ans means some of them score 23-24% which is too low even for Montenegrins).

You should ask him. And yes, I have full Croats with extremely low Baltic, lower than 23-24 but it's not a problem, I don't value results by amount of Baltic they score.

[Jana]

I also didn't see you questioning Serbdom of Serbs with very atypical, extremely high Baltic scores. I posted few such and not only me. You are a nordicistst who can't be trusted and it is also visible in type of classify threads you make.

Sorry.

[Pribislav]

You should ask him. And yes, I have full Croats with extremely low Baltic, lower than 23-24 but it's not a problem, I don't value results by amount of Baltic they score.

Your full Croatian with 23-24 Baltic is Janjevac or some mixed person. 23-24 score some Montenegrins, but even them on average have higher.

[Jana]

Your full Croatian with 23-24 Baltic is Janjevac or some mixed person. 23-24 score some Montenegrins, but even them on average have higher.

We have Islander with gedcom with low score and also Istrian who doesn't have recent foreign ancestry.

Btw, those with 27-28% Baltic are plenty. Sample fully from east Herzegovina (Croat) is 27%, and west Serbs come from there. Keep claiming those scores are atypical lol.

[Pribislav]

We have Islander with gedcom with low score and also Istrian who doesn't have recent foreign ancestry.

Btw, those with 27-28% Baltic are plenty. Sample fully from east Herzegovina (Croat) is 27%, and west Serbs come from there. Keep claiming those scores are atypical lol.

For sure some western Serb individuals can score 27%. But average of 25 random taken western Serbs can't be 27%.

[Jana]

For sure some western Serb individuals can score 27%. But average of 25 random taken western Serbs can't be 27%.

Because you said so?
He said they are confirmed west Serbs, simply deal with it. It is just nor results you like, nothing more.

And make DNA test already. Maybe you can improve their Baltic score.

[vbnetkhio]

Weird sample doesnt mean foreign ancestry. I have enough of Croats to know that. Some people have issue to accept their group can have quite a variation.

i accept it when i see real samples.
in that study they included full Gypsies in the Bosniak, Romanian and Bulgarian sets, that Albanian plotting person in the Croatian set etc.
other samples probably also have some less exotic, but still foreign ancestries.

[vbnetkhio]

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[Jana]

i accept it when i see real samples.
in that study they included full Gypsies in the Bosniak, Romanian and Bulgarian sets, that Albanian plotting person in the Croatian set etc.
other samples probably also have some less exotic, but still foreign ancestries.

Okay, I see. Maybe we should leave out academics.

[ezyeez]

:popcorn:

[Pribislav]

Because you said so?
He said they are confirmed Serbs, simply deal with it. It is jist nor results you like, nothing more.

And make DNA test already.

It would be already in process if there is no corona circus.

My grandma almost died because state of emergency with corona as umbrella. Our lifes are fucking different last +30 days.

[Jana]

It would be already in process if there is no corona circus.

My granda almost died because state of emergency with corona as umbrella. Our lifes are fucking different lat +30 days.

I am happy she is fine and I told you that, but you can still test now. Myheritage is 50 EUR (half price) until April 26, I would recommend to take that deal. Also free basic ydna prediction and massive update coming soon.

[Pribislav]

I am happy she is fine and I told you that, but you can still test now. Myheritage is 50EUR (half price) until April 26, I would recommend to take that deal. Also free basic ydna prediction and massive update coming soon.

Cancer is removed from her 10 days ago. Few days ago she returned from hospital. Corona delayed her surgery for whole months.

[Ljubic]

MyHeritage SNPs got fucking low though and their ethnicity estimates arent worth it.

[vbnetkhio]

https://i.imgur.com/nMQODa4.png

this is how the new averages plot. south Croats, Bosniaks and Serbs form a cluster together. so of course some Serbs will get Croat as #1, and the opposite. all it takes is 1% or 2% more or less of a component.

[Dušan]

Isn't that absurd that Croats, who are almost twice as less numbered than Serbs, have 11 samples on calculator, and Serbs 4?

Yes, they are far more heterogeneus than us, but half of these regional averages are worthless and should be deleted.

[Ljubic]

Isn't that absurd that Croats, who are almost twice as less numbered than Serbs, have 11 samples on calculator, and Serbs 4?

Yes, they are far more heterogeneus than us, but half of these regional averages are worthless and should be deleted.

And why are they worthless?

[Dušan]

According to this Dalmatian Croats are three times colser to general Serb average than to general Croat average. :pop2:

And user who thumb me down - get the fuck out from Serbian topic. RAUS!

[Dušan]

And why are they worthless?

Because all B&H Croats could be in one average.
Are there separate average for Bosnian Serbs and for Herzegovinian Serbs?
Tropolje is microregion in Bosnia-Herzegovina with less then 30.000 inhabitants.

[vbnetkhio]

Isn't that absurd that Croats, who are almost twice as less numbered than Serbs, have 11 samples on calculator, and Serbs 4?

Yes, they are far more heterogeneus than us, but half of these regional averages are worthless and should be deleted.

yeah, just one "South Croat" average would be enough. just one Serb average would be enough too, but people still love to claim Croatian, Bosnian and Serbian Serbs aren't the same people, so let those averages stay and prove them wrong.

[Dušan]

yeah, just one "South Croat" average would be enough. just one Serb average would be enough too, but people still love to claim Croatian, Bosnian and Serbian Serbs aren't the same people, so let those averages stay and prove them wrong.

As I already said, I am ok just to be general Serbian and general Croatian average. Nothing more.

But to get #1 Dalmatian Croat, and still be far closer to Serbian general average than Croatian general average is not ok.

[Insuperable]

Because all B&H Croats could be in one average.
Are there separate average for Bosnian Serbs and for Herzegovinian Serbs?
Tropolje is microregion in Bosnia-Herzegovina with less then 30.000 inhabitants.

Gotta agree with you here.

[Ljubic]

According to this Dalmatian Croats are three times colser to general Serb average than to general Croat average. :pop2:

And user who thumb me down - get the fuck out from Serbian topic. RAUS!

Ah youve meant the averages. The samples themselves certainly arent useless.

[Jana]

Not my fault you didn't send new averages to Lukasz.
Vbnetkio made plenty, and I use these in my runs:

Serb_B&H,24.73,31.02,16.87,8.63,14.66,1.72,0.44,0.32,0.66 ,0.50,0.34,0.09,0.01
Serb_Croatia,25.17,30.44,16.79,9.03,14.86,1.33,0.7 2,0.32,0.54,0.30,0.41,0.07,0.02
Serb_Krajina,25.57,30.44,16.72,8.68,14.61,1.55,0.6 5,0.36,0.60,0.31,0.45,0.04,0.02
Montenegrin,25.00,25.68,18.39,9.99,16.90,1.95,0.26 ,0.25,0.66,0.50,0.23,0.11,0.08
Serb_Serbia,24.35,29.99,16.77,9.05,15.98,1.37,0.62 ,0.21,0.64,0.44,0.39,0.07,0.13
Serb,24.89,29.38,17.14,9.05,15.58,1.55,0.49,0.29,0 .67,0.45,0.35,0.09,0.06
Serb_Shopluk,23.50,27.64,18.07,9.25,17.09,1.63,0.6 5,0.12,1.05,0.38,0.47,0.23,0.10
Serb_Dalmatia,25.49,29.53,16.66,8.89,15.69,1.15,0. 67,0.19,0.73,0.56,0.34,0.08,0.04

I want to observe regional sub-structure, politics have no place in genetics.

[Jana]

https://i.imgur.com/nMQODa4.png

this is how the new averages plot. south Croats, Bosniaks and Serbs form a cluster together. so of course some Serbs will get Croat as #1, and the opposite. all it takes is 1% or 2% more or less of a component.

What about with your news averages included?
Those I posted above, they aren't on Vahaduo.

Shows my clusters have justification, even Bosnia and Herzegovina don't plot overly similar, not to mention other regions.

[CommonSense]

The averages vbnetkhio gave seem pretty decent. They'll only get better if we get more legit samples:



https://i.imgur.com/R1BzZHO.png

https://i.imgur.com/IIyR2Gw.png

[Dušan]

The averages vbnetkhio gave seem pretty decent. They'll only get better if we get more legit samples:



It is not true for Serb_Croatia average, and you know it very well.

According to this, Serb_Croatia average is shifted toward Sandzak and Montenergro, and that is false.

https://i.imgur.com/nMQODa4.png

Serb_Croatia is related with Serb_Bosnia, not opposite of that, what that diagram tell.

[Dušan]

Not my fault you didn't send new averages to Lukasz.
Vbnetkio made plenty, and I use these in my runs:

Serb_B&H,24.73,31.02,16.87,8.63,14.66,1.72,0.44,0.32,0.66 ,0.50,0.34,0.09,0.01
Serb_Croatia,25.17,30.44,16.79,9.03,14.86,1.33,0.7 2,0.32,0.54,0.30,0.41,0.07,0.02
Serb_Krajina,25.57,30.44,16.72,8.68,14.61,1.55,0.6 5,0.36,0.60,0.31,0.45,0.04,0.02
Montenegrin,25.00,25.68,18.39,9.99,16.90,1.95,0.26 ,0.25,0.66,0.50,0.23,0.11,0.08
Serb_Serbia,24.35,29.99,16.77,9.05,15.98,1.37,0.62 ,0.21,0.64,0.44,0.39,0.07,0.13
Serb,24.89,29.38,17.14,9.05,15.58,1.55,0.49,0.29,0 .67,0.45,0.35,0.09,0.06
Serb_Shopluk,23.50,27.64,18.07,9.25,17.09,1.63,0.6 5,0.12,1.05,0.38,0.47,0.23,0.10
Serb_Dalmatia,25.49,29.53,16.66,8.89,15.69,1.15,0. 67,0.19,0.73,0.56,0.34,0.08,0.04

I want to observe regional sub-structure, politics have no place in genetics.

We dont need to look milion Croatian averages every time we run calculator.
I will delete all of them except general Croatian average every time I run this biased calculator.

[Dušan]

The averages vbnetkhio gave seem pretty decent. They'll only get better if we get more legit samples:



And what is legit? What some American Mingle say about Serbian autosomal genetics? Or Serbophobe Feiichy?

According to this, 70% Krajina Serbs will not get Serb_Croatia as #1, but most probably Bosniak or Croat_Dalmatia or Croat Herzegovina.
Thats what this shitty calculator will tell.

[yamagi]

Serbs cluster between Croats and Romanians which is to be excepted with a few Ukranian shifted outliers.

[Dušan]

Me, as 100% full Krajina Serb, got Serb_Croatia as #10. Are you all crazy or what?

https://i.imgur.com/san7fYV.jpg

Screw this biased anti-Serb calculator.

[Ljubic]

Me, as 100% full Krajina Serb, got Serb_Croatia as #10. Are you all crazy or what?

https://i.imgur.com/san7fYV.jpg

Screw this biased anti-Serb calculator.

Ok brother

https://youtu.be/Kwq9PP_q-IE

[Leto]

Guys, you cannot create averages for every single municipality, that's silly and unnecessary. Serbia is a country of 7 million, Croatia has like 4 or so.

[Jana]

We dont need to look milion Croatian averages every time we run calculator.
I will delete all of them except general Croatian average every time I run this biased calculator.

I don't care for your complains, you are some complexed guy obviously. There is nothing biased about my averages, and they are all made of full ethnic Croats plus academic samples.

You meanwhile, are using questionable samples from HungryLion and Pribislav to shift Serb average as north as possible just because of your personal scores.

Yeah, with 33% Baltic you will be closer to Croats because Serb average is nowhere near that unless you pull it there artificially.

Deal with it.

[Jana]

Ok brother

https://youtu.be/Kwq9PP_q-IE

Dušan seems autistic and not able to insert newer Serb averages made by Vbnethkio in calc, which are plenty. And Serb Croatia and Krajina is 30% Baltic there, 1% less than Dalmatian Croats. But these guys think they are more northern shifted than us lol. Just ignore them.

[Jana]

We dont need to look milion Croatian averages every time we run calculator.
I will delete all of them except general Croatian average every time I run this biased calculator.


Guys, you cannot create averages for every single municipality, that's silly and unnecessary. Serbia is a country of 7 million, Croatia has like 4 or so.

Don't troll.
I made averages for historical regions, so far4 for Croatia plus capital city and 3 for BiH. There is nothing wrong in that. Especially with different geography, climate and history each of them has.

Serb new averages haven't been added to calculator yet, that is none of my business.

[Jana]

Guys, you cannot create averages for every single municipality, that's silly and unnecessary. Serbia is a country of 7 million, Croatia has like 4 or so.

Don't troll.
I made averages for historical regions, so far 4 for Croatia plus capital city and 3 for BiH. There is nothing wrong in that. Especially with different geography, climate and history each of them has.

Serb new averages haven't been added to calculator yet, that is none of my business.

[Dušan]

Guys, you cannot create averages for every single municipality, that's silly and unnecessary. Serbia is a country of 7 million, Croatia has like 4 or so.

Either to insert real Serb_Croatia average, either to delete all regional averages, just to stay general Serb and general Croat.

She made average for Tropolje - rural primitive three municipalities of 30.000 inhabitants.. WTF!?

[Dušan]

I don't care for your complains, you are some complexed guy obviously. There is nothing biased about my averages, and they are all made of full ethnic Croats plus academic samples.

You meanwhile, are using questionable samples from HungryLion and Pribislav to shift Serb average as north as possible just because of your personal scores.

Yeah, with 33% Baltic you will be closer to Croats because Serb average is nowhere near that unless you pull it there artificially.

Deal with it.

No, I am with my almost 34% Baltic closer to Serbian general average (5.85) than to Croat general average (7.32)
I am also closer to Serbs from Serbia (6.36) than Croats of Croatia (7.76).

Only Croats that are close to me are B&H.
This one Balkanites.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sUYVHSmIEOM

Real Serb_Croatia average is related to Bosnian Serb average. It is not Sandžak shifted like it is in calculator.

Not need milion Croatian averages in calculator. Only one for B&H Croats, not 4.

Tropolje :lol:

[Fedora]

The overall distances are still close between Ex-Yugoslavians

[Jana]

Many south shifted full Croats will end up getting Serb averages on top, who cares?
It doesn't mean they are Serbs, just that their genetic profile is closer to their averages.

I will be doing updates anyway and will probably remove academic samples as we don't really know their real origin.

[Jana]

Also, if new Serb averages have regions like Shopluk I don't see problem with Croatian regions. Or Serb_Dalmatia, do you know how little Serbs live there now?

These silly complains make no sense, Tropolje for example is old historical region just like Bosnia or Herzegovina are.

I have no problem if more Serb averages are added, the more the better.

[knez01]

Either to insert real Serb_Croatia average, either to delete all regional averages, just to stay general Serb and general Croat.

She made average for Tropolje - rural primitive three municipalities of 30.000 inhabitants.. WTF!?

Tropolje has over 80 thousand people

[Jana]

Tropolje has over 80 thousand people

And much more people of such origin in Zagreb or diaspora.
I think some people want to pretend all these regions are identical and propagate that, but don't really care for genetics and see sub-regional structure of their population.

Can't believe I am attacked for having many regions, attack if I have too little.
And I put so many hours of hard work into that.

[knez01]

And much more people of such origin in Zagreb or diaspora.
I think some people want to pretend all these regions are identical and propagate that, but don't really care for genetics and see sub-regional structure of their population.

Can't believe I am attacked for having many regions, attack if I have too little.
And I put so many hours of hard work into that.

Remember who you're responding to, nothing more than a butthurt tractor :rofl_002:

[CommonSense]

And what is legit? What some American Mingle say about Serbian autosomal genetics? Or Serbophobe Feiichy?

According to this, 70% Krajina Serbs will not get Serb_Croatia as #1, but most probably Bosniak or Croat_Dalmatia or Croat Herzegovina.
Thats what this shitty calculator will tell.

Distance of 1.01 is too much? :bounce

https://i.imgur.com/UPGgjj8.png

[Jana]

^^^^Looks good, closest to other western Serbs before Croats.

I will probably remove Zagreb average (too many people from all over there) and Split (low quality data and lot of BiH Croats live there), will keep academics from Herzegovina (extremely close to samples I collected) and Bosnia (Žepče, Maglaj), since these regions have local people, never was much immigration from elsewhere to these towns.

Istrian average will be added.

But didn't decide anything yet.

[Peterski]

Guys, you cannot create averages for every single municipality

Why not? It is a great idea.

As long as they really have samples with 4 grandparents born in one municipality.

[Jana]

Why not? It is a great idea.

And those are regions, not municipalities.
Fro example Tropolje on the map, it was stand alone region in medieval (part of Croatia), before being absorbed by rising Bosnian Kingdom. As you can see, proper Bosnia doesn't equal modern Bosnia and Herzegovina.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/36/Historical_regions_of_Bosnia_and_Herzegovina.svg/800px-Historical_regions_of_Bosnia_and_Herzegovina.svg.p ng

Tropolje or Završje or Western Regions (Croatian: Zapadne strane) is a historical region in Bosnia and Herzegovina covering a part of the Dinaric Alps. It encompasses territory around karst fields of Livno, Duvno and Glamoč. The wider zone of this region also comprises the fields of Kupres and Bosansko Grahovo. Historically, the region is located on the border of Bosnia, Dalmatia and Herzegovina.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tropolje

The total area of the Završje is approximately 4,343 square kilometres (1,680 sq mi). The region is located between Dalmatia to the west, Bosanska Krajina to the north, Central Bosnia to the east and Herzegovina to the south and southeast. Završje has population of 83,541—making the region the most sparsely populated region of Bosnia and Herzegovina at 19.24/km2. Most of the region consists of mountainous terrain separated by karst fields.

Large fields of Livno, Duvno, Glamoč and Kupres are located in the hinterland of the mountain Dinara from the perspective of the eastern Adriatic coast of which they are wider inland. There are also several small or very small karst fields: Grahovsko, Dobransko, Šuičko, Roško, Vukovsko and Planarsko.

The extinction of the Trpimirović dynasty resulted in forming of personal union with Hungary in the 12th century. Mid of the century the Byzantine Empire strengthens once again and conquers the area of Dalmatian cities, Zadinarje's karst fields and a large part of the southern Croatian Kingdom. After death of Manuel I Komnenos, Byzantine Emperor, in 1180 Bosnian ban Kulin expanded the area of its authority to the east and north of the County of Hlivno while County remained in the Croatian Kingdom.

[vbnetkhio]

Real Serb_Croatia average is related to Bosnian Serb average. It is not Sandžak shifted like it is in calculator.


You can send whatever average you want to Lukasz and he'll add it.
feel free to make your "proper" averages, i won't take part in this anymore. i've already seen enough results to know what Serbian genetics are like, my curiosity is satisfied.

i can send you all kits i have, if that's of any use to you.

[Leto]

You can send whatever average you want to Lukasz and he'll add it.
feel free to make your "proper" averages, i won't take part in this anymore. i've already seen enough results to know what Serbian genetics are like, my curiosity is satisfied.

i can send you all kits i have, if that's of any use to you.
Please don't leave this forum. Yugoslav genetics are extremely politicized, even minor differences can cause controversy. I agree that those academic samples should be used and everything else is to be discarded. Your Serbian averages are pretty damn solid and undoubtedly much better than what was previously used as reference.

[Dušan]

You can send whatever average you want to Lukasz and he'll add it.
feel free to make your "proper" averages, i won't take part in this anymore. i've already seen enough results to know what Serbian genetics are like, my curiosity is satisfied.

i can send you all kits i have, if that's of any use to you.

I already asked him to insert Krajina Serb average that fit almost every Serb, but there is a strong prejudice that Serbs cannot have over 30% Baltic in K13 calculator.
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?313828-Serbian-Autosomal-DNA&p=6615365&viewfull=1#post6615365

I dont care.
For me, its important that I am closer to general Serb average than to general Croat average, as well as closer to Serbs of Serbia than Croats of Croatia.
Thos Southern Herzegovinian Croats I get, are Serb shifted, with very Balkan culture, often hated in Croatia being Serb-like. :)

I don't care about any stupid Nordicism with all that Baltic score. I am ordinary Serb with almost 34% Baltic, so what?
I don't give a shit for Slavicism, too. Only Serbdom is important to me. And my result is natural and average for part of Serbs that I belong.

[Jana]

^^^^You result isn't average, it is on high end of Baltic admixture for Serbs, anything else is a lie. But it isn't atypical and there are plenty of Serbs like you.

General Croat average is 33% Baltic by the way.
NW Croats are 34% Baltic and Central Croatia is 33%.

Southern Croats are between 31-32%. Istria is 30% Baltic.

And no, Herzegovina Croats aren't Serb shifted at all. They are closer to other Croats and they plot more northern than Dalmatian Croats do.

Serb general average is 29%, western Serbs should be 30-31%.

Vbhetkhio average for Croatian Serbs is 30% and that's perfect. Anything more than makes them closer to northern Croats than Dalmatians and Istrians are which is ofcourse laughable.

Average made from samples you received from Pribislav is falsely northern inflated (almost 32% Baltic, lmao), because he sent you fake kits made by HungryLion and also many other kits with extremely high Baltic scores he thinks are Serbs based on surname and he knows absolutely nothing about rest of their ancestry.

Croatian Serbs can be more northern shifted than southern and western Croats only in some parallel reality.

[Pribislav]

^^^^You result isn't average, it is on high end of Baltic admixture for Serbs, anything else is a lie. But it isn't atypical and there are plenty of Serbs like you.

General Croat average is 33% Baltic by the way.
NW Croats are 34% Baltic and Central Croatia is 33%.

Southern Croats are between 31-32%. Istria is 30% Baltic.

And no, Herzegovina Croats aren't Serb shifted at all. They are closer to other Croats and they plot more northern than Dalmatian Croats do.

Serb general average is 29%, western Serbs should be 30-31%.

Vbhetkhio average for Croatian Serbs is 30% and that's perfect. Anything more than makes them closer to northern Croats than Dalmatians and Istrians are which is ofcourse laughable.

Average made from samples you received from Pribislav is falsely northern inflated (almost 32% Baltic, lmao), because he sent you fake kits made by HungryLion and also many other kits with extremely high Baltic scores he thinks are Serbs based on surname and he knows absolutely nothing about rest of their ancestry.

Croatian Serbs can be more northern shifted than southern and western Croats only in some parallel reality.

Shut the fuck up already mentally unstable woman!

I showed kits for 98% results which I posted here. Unlike me, you mostly say Serb from Lika, Croat from Herzegovina or Serb from Serbia and you write components without kit. How to we bealive that your claims are autentic? On "honorable" ustashian word?

You claimed for Milković Serb from Banija and Neđeljko Zubović Serb from Lika that they are Croatians. Shame on you!

[Dušan]

All of them have higher North Atlantic than me and rest of Krajina Serbs.
It is not only Baltic that shift to north.
My N.atlantic is very low.

And in next generation that Baltic will be lower. My kids will not have so much Baltic as I have.

[Leto]

All of them have higher North Atlantic than me and rest of Krajina Serbs.
It is not only Baltic that shift to north.
My N.atlantic is very low.

And in next generation that Baltic will be lower. My kids will not have so much Baltic as I have.
Mix with a Russian woman and your kids will be close to 40% :D

[Jana]

Shut the fuck up already mentally unstable woman!

I showed kits for 98% results which I posted here. Unlike me, you mostly say Serb from Lika, Croat from Herzegovina or Serb from Serbia and you write components without kit. How to we bealive that your claims are autentic? On "honorable" ustashian word?

You cčaimed for Milković Serb from Banija and Neđeljko Zubović Serb from Lika that they are Croatians. Shame on you!

I didn't send any single kit to make Serb averages, but I certanly trust likes of Commonsense, Vbnethkio and Mingle than you.You are extremely biased with agenda.

And yes, my friend Milković from Lika is a Croat. He studied with me and no wonder I wrongly concluded those are Croats.

Croats you posted here were as southern shifted as you can find them (27-28% Baltic) while you post fake kits from that guy from Banija, tons of most northern shifted Serbs you can find and I never, but never saw you post south shifted Serbs.

Ofcourse average will be wrong because you share only kits you like with Dušan.
You won't send south shifted kits to him or to anyone else even if you get them, we both know it. You're working to make Serb average as north as possible and look down on people with low Baltic results.

I would discard anything coming from you.

Unlike you, I posted plenty of north shifted Serbs I found and even those extremely Baltic shifted ones (38% and such) from Travnik, who are only distantly Polish and except one Croat mixed person can be added on Bosnian Serb average, why not?

You are troll.

And you always posted most Arab/Vlach/Wog shifted Croats for classification you could find while doing opposite for Serbs. So it's no wonder your ''interventions'' pulled Croatian_Serb average north from Dalmatian Croats.

[Pribislav]

I didn't send any single kit to make Serb averages, but I certanly trust likes of COmmonsense, Vbnethkio and Mingle than you.
You are reextremely biased with agenda.

And yes, my friend Milković from Lika is a Croat. He studied with me and no wonder I wrongly concluded those are Croats.

Croats you posted here were as southern shifted as you can find them (27-28% Baltic) while you post fake kits from that guy from Banija, tons of most northern shifted Serbs you can find and I never, but never saw you post south shifted Serbs.

Ofcourse average will be wrong because you share only kits you like to Dušan.
You won't send south shifted kits to him or to anyone else even if you get them, we both know it.
You're working to make Serb average as north as possible and look down on people with low Baltic results.

I would discard anything coming from you.

Unlike you, I posted plenty of north shifted Serbs I found and even those extremely Baltic shifted ones (28% and such) from Travnik, who are only distantly Polish and except one Croat mixed person can be added on Bosnian Serb average, why not?

You are toll.

And you always posted most Arab/Vlach/Wog shifted Croats you could find while doing opposite for Serbs.
So it's no wonder your ''interventions'' pulled Croatian_Serb average north from Dalmatian Croats.

Sorry, I am not interested for Croatian results. 97% my kits were Serb (and Montenegrin), and only few Bosniak and Croatian. Unlike me, you posted tons of Serbian results often without kits. Who is more obsessed, East.1992 with Serbs or Pribislav with Croatians?

You know some Croatian guy with Milković surnames, so what? Serbs and Croatians share tons of same surnames unfortunately. Milković posted here is confirmed Serbs from Banija living in Denmark.
If you posted surnames of all Herzegovinian Croatians from your average I could claim for vast majority they are Serbs, because Herzegovian Croatians share painfully high amount identical surnames with Serbs. But I am not interested to claim Dinaric Croatians as a Serbs because their surnames exist also among Serbs.

[Pribislav]

Sorry, I am not interested for Croatian results. 97% my kits were Serb (and Montenegrin), and only few Bosniak and Croatian. Unlike me, you posted tons of Serbian results often without kits. Who is more obsessed, East.1992 with Serbs or Pribislav with Croatians?

You know some Croatian guy with Milković surnames, so what? Serbs and Croatians share tons of same surnames unfortunately. Milković posted here is confirmed Serbs from Banija living in Denmark.
If you posted surnames of all Herzegovinian Croatians from your average I could claim for vast majority they are Serbs, because Herzegovian Croatians share painfully high amount identical surnames with Serbs. But I am not interested to claim Dinaric Croatians as a Serbs because their surnames exist also among Serbs.

Dragutin Milković
Radojka Milković
Milan Milković

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stefan_Dragutin

Radojka - ultra Serbian peasant name.

[Pribislav]

All of them have higher North Atlantic than me and rest of Krajina Serbs.
It is not only Baltic that shift to north.
My N.atlantic is very low.

And in next generation that Baltic will be lower. My kids will not have so much Baltic as I have.

Vbnetkhio's samples for Lika Serbs
https://i.imgur.com/LLWMMb3.png

^^
There is no Neđeljko Zubović here, who is Lika Serb from Koreničko Vrelo and who is tested as I2-PH908 on SDP (you can check).

This is K13 and kit of Neđeljko Zubović 97839


Same case is for Milković among Kordun/Banija Serb samples.

[Dušan]

^^^^You result isn't average, it is on high end of Baltic admixture for Serbs, anything else is a lie. But it isn't atypical and there are plenty of Serbs like you.

General Croat average is 33% Baltic by the way.
NW Croats are 34% Baltic and Central Croatia is 33%.

Southern Croats are between 31-32%. Istria is 30% Baltic.

And no, Herzegovina Croats aren't Serb shifted at all. They are closer to other Croats and they plot more northern than Dalmatian Croats do.

Serb general average is 29%, western Serbs should be 30-31%.

Vbhetkhio average for Croatian Serbs is 30% and that's perfect. Anything more than makes them closer to northern Croats than Dalmatians and Istrians are which is ofcourse laughable.

Average made from samples you received from Pribislav is falsely northern inflated (almost 32% Baltic, lmao), because he sent you fake kits made by HungryLion and also many other kits with extremely high Baltic scores he thinks are Serbs based on surname and he knows absolutely nothing about rest of their ancestry.

Croatian Serbs can be more northern shifted than southern and western Croats only in some parallel reality.

Stupid Croat woman,

North Atlantic also shift to north, not just Baltic, and my North Atlantic is very low, among the lowest among the all samples.
My result is in range for Serbs and closer to general Serb average than to general Croat average.

Stop talking about Serbian autosomal genetics, it is none of your bussiness. And get out from this topic.

And you know what, I would rather be Anatolian Turk than to have one drop of Croat blood.

[Dušan]

Vbnetkhio's samples for Lika Serbs
https://i.imgur.com/LLWMMb3.png

^^
There is no Neđeljko Zubović here, who is Lika Serb from Koreničko Vrelo and who is tested as I2-PH908 on SDP (you can check).

This is K13 and kit of Neđeljko Zubović 97839


Same case is for Milković among Kordun/Banija Serb samples.

No, it is not possible that Serbs are over 30% Baltic, especially in Lika region. Its a lie.
Serbs are always less than 30% Baltic

[Pribislav]

No, it is not possible that Serbs are over 30% Baltic, especially in Lika region. Its a lie.
Serbs are always less than 30% Baltic

Lika Serbs on average probably score the highest Baltic of all Serbs. I have seen more Lika Serb result than what vbnetkhio included in average. Lika Serbs on average score little lower NA than Serbian average.
Your result fit very well among Serbs from you native region!

[Ljubic]

Holy shit you care too much about your average. Even if you would be close to a Slovene average it wouldnt make you less of a Serb. Whats wrong with your selfesteem?

[Leto]

And you know what, I would rather be Anatolian Turk than to have one drop of Croat blood.
Are you serious? That's preposterous. Bosniensis was right saying that South Slavs are just "religious tribes". Racial differences are minimal. To me as an outsider that's just laughable.

[Dušan]

Lika on average probably score the highest Baltic of all Serbs. I have seen more Lika Serb result than what vbnetkhio included in average. Lika Serbs score little lower NA than Serbian average.
Your result fit very well among Serbs from you native region!

Yes, my result is nothing special, but ordinary Lika Serb result.

[Pribislav]

..

[Pribislav]

Yes, my result is nothing special, but ordinary Lika Serb result.

I did not see much Kordun Serb results (Ličani are more teted), from what I have seen they score lower Baltic than Lika Serbs but higher NA. Interesting, because Lika and Kordun are neighboring regions without clear defined border (for example for Plaški is debatable does it belong to Lika or Kordun).

[Dušan]

Are you serious? That's preposterous. Bosniensis was right saying that South Slavs are just "religious tribes". Racial differences are minimal. To me as an outsider that's just laughable.

You see this blue area?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EBndJF6XYAAmcF5.jpg

All of that is now empty, houses demolished and destroyed. Serbian people have been slaughtered in tens of thousands in ww2, and completly expelled in 90s.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide_of_Serbs_in_the_Independent_State_of_Croa tia
Church where I was baptised is demolished, as well as villages of my ancestors.

They are worse than Turks.

[Ljubic]

You see this blue area?

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EBndJF6XYAAmcF5.jpg

All of that is now empty, houses demolished and destroyed. Serbian people have been slaughtered in tens of thousands in ww2, and completly expelled in 90s.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide_of_Serbs_in_the_Independent_State_of_Croa tia
Church where I was baptised is demolished, as well as villages of my ancestors.

They are worse than Turks.

Of course thats horrible but what does the losing side expect, flowers and cake? Serbs did the same thing. The city my father grew up in was full of Bosniaks and his past neighbours have been replaced by Serbs who lived in surrounding mountains before but thats just the past. You gotta live on. Also this is offtopic anyway because it has nothing to do with genetics.

[Ford]

xD

Distance to: Ford
2.37543680 Croat_Dalmatia
2.56733325 Croat_Herzegovina
2.66033832 Serb_B&H
2.67548127 Croat_Bosnia
2.79710565 Croat_BiH
2.93531940 Bosniak
3.30876110 Croat_Tropolje
3.45440299 Serb
3.47479496 Croat_Lika-Senj
3.56842113 Bosniak_Sarajevo
3.65767686 Serb_Croatia
4.08426248 Moldova_North
4.13311021 Szekely_Hungarian
4.13688288 Serb_Serbia
4.53714668 Croat
5.05775642 Croat_Croatia
5.21736524 Croat_Zagreb
5.73112554 Bosniak_Tuzla
6.01239553 Bulgarian_Dupnitsa
6.01997508 Romania_Moldavia_North
6.07702230 Csango_Gymes
6.24159435 Romania_Moldavia_average
6.43351381 Moldova_Centre
6.43909702 Slovenian
6.79562359 Bulgarian_Pleven

Target: Ford
Distance: 1.8844% / 1.88440899 | ADC: 0.5x
51.4 Croat_Dalmatia
33.4 Croat_Bosnia
14.8 Croat_Herzegovina
0.4 Selkup

[Ljubic]

Distance to: Ljubic
2.49737863 Serb_B&H
2.76248077 Serb_Serbia
2.83319608 Serb
3.06117624 Bosniak
3.06592564 Serb_Croatia
3.13807266 Croat_Herzegovina
3.49548280 Croat_Dalmatia
3.66672879 Croat_Bosnia
3.68859052 Croat_BiH
3.78812478 Bosniak_Sarajevo
4.33053115 Croat_Lika-Senj
4.65355778 Croat_Tropolje

[Jana]

Stupid Croat woman,

North Atlantic also shift to north, not just Baltic, and my North Atlantic is very low, among the lowest among the all samples.
My result is in range for Serbs and closer to general Serb average than to general Croat average.

Stop talking about Serbian autosomal genetics, it is none of your bussiness. And get out from this topic.

And you know what, I would rather be Anatolian Turk than to have one drop of Croat blood.

Southern Croats have low North Atlantic score, dumbass.
And I don't care for your complexes of diaspora guy trying to be bigger and purer Serb from Serbs whose ancestors live in Serbia for generations.

It's always mongrels from border regions claiming purity.

I will write where I want. You started criticising Croatian averages I made, and that's also none of your business, they are transparent, because I have no emotional investement in making them, unlike you.

[Jana]

Of course thats horrible but what does the losing side expect, flowers and cake? Serbs did the same thing. The city my father grew up in was full of Bosniaks and his past neighbours have been replaced by Serbs who lived in surrounding mountains before but thats just the past. You gotta live on. Also this is offtopic anyway because it has nothing to do with genetics.

Ignore him, he never showed any remorse nor empathy for crimes Serb did against other nations, we certanly shouldn't care for fate of his people if he doesn't care for what they did to others, and he doesn't. Serbs are not any more worthy or special than other people and shouldn't expect understanding when they pretend they never did any wrong.

[Pribislav]

Southern Croats have low North Atlantic score, dumbass.
And I don't care for your complexes of diaspora guy trying to be bigger and purer Serb from Serbs whose ancestors live in Serbia for generations.

It's always mongrels from border regions claiming purity.

I will write where I want. You started criticising Croatian averages I made, and that's also none of your business, they are transparent, because I have no emotional investement in making them, unlike you.

Dušan don't have a single drop of Croatian or any other non-Serbian blood. :no::no:

He is half Lika Serb half Dalmatian (Bukovica) Serb.

[Dušan]

And no, Herzegovina Croats aren't Serb shifted at all. They are closer to other Croats and they plot more northern than Dalmatian Croats do.



Stop lying!

I compared all Croatian regional samples that you made, with general Croat average that you made and general Serb sample that vbnetkhio made.
Both Dalmatian and Herzegovinian sample are closer to general Serb than to general Croat average.

SOURCE:
Croat,28.17,33.10,14.63,7.80,11.67,1.42,0.60,0.20, 0.48,0.59,0.45,0.09,0.12
Serb,25.07,29.92,17.03,8.75,15.35,1.59,0.48,0.29,0 .67,0.43,0.30,0.08,0.04



https://i.imgur.com/rG3YEVO.jpg


Dear Serbs, if you ever get "Croat Herzegovina" and "Croat Dalmatia" and "Croat Tropolje" as top results in this shitty calculator, don't worry - you are closer to Serbian average than to Croatian.

[Dušan]

xD

Distance to: Ford
2.37543680 Croat_Dalmatia
2.56733325 Croat_Herzegovina
2.66033832 Serb_B&H
2.67548127 Croat_Bosnia
2.79710565 Croat_BiH
2.93531940 Bosniak
3.30876110 Croat_Tropolje
3.45440299 Serb
3.47479496 Croat_Lika-Senj
3.56842113 Bosniak_Sarajevo
3.65767686 Serb_Croatia
4.08426248 Moldova_North
4.13311021 Szekely_Hungarian
4.13688288 Serb_Serbia
4.53714668 Croat
5.05775642 Croat_Croatia
5.21736524 Croat_Zagreb
5.73112554 Bosniak_Tuzla
6.01239553 Bulgarian_Dupnitsa
6.01997508 Romania_Moldavia_North
6.07702230 Csango_Gymes
6.24159435 Romania_Moldavia_average
6.43351381 Moldova_Centre
6.43909702 Slovenian
6.79562359 Bulgarian_Pleven

Target: Ford
Distance: 1.8844% / 1.88440899 | ADC: 0.5x
51.4 Croat_Dalmatia
33.4 Croat_Bosnia
14.8 Croat_Herzegovina
0.4 Selkup

We western Serbs are wrong people, calculator is corect! :rolleyes:

[Pribislav]

Stop lying!

I compared all Croatian regional samples that you made, with general Croat average that you made and general Serb sample that vbnetkhio made.
Both Dalmatian and Herzegovinian sample are closer to general Serb than to general Croat average.

SOURCE:
Croat,28.17,33.10,14.63,7.80,11.67,1.42,0.60,0.20, 0.48,0.59,0.45,0.09,0.12
Serb,25.07,29.92,17.03,8.75,15.35,1.59,0.48,0.29,0 .67,0.43,0.30,0.08,0.04



https://i.imgur.com/rG3YEVO.jpg


Dear Serbs, if you ever get "Croat Herzegovina" and "Croat Dalmatia" and "Croat Tropolje" as top results in this shitty calculator, don't worry - you are closer to Serbian average than to Croatian.

Tropolje, Dalmatian and Herzegovinian Croatians are the purest Croatians and descendants of "White Croatians" according to Est.1992, but they are closer to general Serbian than general Croatian average! :lol:

[Dušan]

Tropolje, Dalmatian and Herzegovinian Croatians are the purest Croatians and descendants of "White Croatians" according to Est.1992, but they are closer to general Serbian than general Croatian average! :lol:

Yeah, real Croats, indeed! ;)

[Dušan]

Balanced calculator :rolleyes:

https://i.imgur.com/0KpLPnF.png

[Pribislav]

Yeah, real Croats, indeed! ;)

Northern Croatians opinion about Škutors (Herzegovinian Croatians) :lol: https://youtu.be/CpF7yP1AAZU

[Jana]

Stop lying!

Dušan, you really seem autistic, no offence. I use newest Serb averages made by Vbnethkio, not outdated few averages that are currently on Vahaduo.

Croats from Herzegovina are closest to other Croats.

Distance to: Croat_Herzegovina

1.36521061 Croat_BiH
1.65902059 Bosniak_Sarajevo
1.72577519 Bosniak
2.10152326 Serb_B&H
2.21826509 Croat_Tropolje
2.34458952 Croat_Dalmatia
2.45930885 Croat_Lika-Senj
2.47489394 Serb_Krajina
2.55164653 Serb_Croatia
2.61866378 Croat_Bosnia
3.27716341 Moldova_North
3.27716341 Moldova_North
3.44215049 Serb_Serbia
3.55061966 Serb_Dalmatia
3.56732393 Szekely_Hungarian
3.80825419 Serb
4.20220180 Croat
4.81868239 Croat_Croatia
5.14708655 Croat_Zagreb
5.24655125 Romania_Moldavia_North
5.33802398 Moldova_Centre
5.33802398 Moldova_Centre
5.54488954 Serb_Belgrade
5.94049661 Romania_Moldavia_average
6.20149982 Csango_Gymes

I see you guys had academic average of Belgrade Serbs removed, incredible! :lol:
Removing academic average, and ofcourse you won't include them in Serb average, it's too southern :laugh:

Complexes.

Don't worry, I won't reply or write in this thread anymore. Goodbye.

[Insuperable]

xD


Dear Serbs, if you ever get "Croat Herzegovina" and "Croat Dalmatia" and "Croat Tropolje" as top results in this shitty calculator, don't worry - you are closer to Serbian average than to Croatian.

Come, give a hug to your Škutor brother!

https://i.postimg.cc/q7VLH41K/giphy.gif

[Dušan]

Dušan, you really seem autistic, no offence. I use newest Serb averages made by Vbnethkio, not outdated few averages that are currently on Vahaduo.

Croats from Herzegovina are closest to other Croats.

Distance to: Croat_Herzegovina

1.36521061 Croat_BiH
1.65902059 Bosniak_Sarajevo
1.72577519 Bosniak
2.10152326 Serb_B&H
2.21826509 Croat_Tropolje
2.34458952 Croat_Dalmatia
2.45930885 Croat_Lika-Senj
2.47489394 Serb_Krajina
2.55164653 Serb_Croatia
2.61866378 Croat_Bosnia
3.27716341 Moldova_North
3.27716341 Moldova_North
3.44215049 Serb_Serbia
3.55061966 Serb_Dalmatia
3.56732393 Szekely_Hungarian
3.80825419 Serb
4.20220180 Croat
4.81868239 Croat_Croatia
5.14708655 Croat_Zagreb
5.24655125 Romania_Moldavia_North
5.33802398 Moldova_Centre
5.33802398 Moldova_Centre
5.54488954 Serb_Belgrade
5.94049661 Romania_Moldavia_average
6.20149982 Csango_Gymes

I see you guys had academic average of Belgrade Serbs removed, incredible! :lol:
Removing academic average, and ofcourse you won't include them in Serb average, it's too southern :laugh:

Complexes.

Don't worry, I won't reply or write in this thread anymore. Goodbye.

The only autistic person here is you.

Why did you change Serb general average?
This is Serb general average made by vbnetkhio and it is 100% correct!
Serb,25.07,29.92,17.03,8.75,15.35,1.59,0.48,0.29,0 .67,0.43,0.30,0.08,0.04

And even in this scale where you add different average for Serbs, as you see - Croat Herzegovina average is closer to Serb general average than to Croat general average, as well as closer to Serbs of Serbia than Croats of Croatia.


Case closed.

Now get out from Serbian topic.

[Pribislav]

The only autistic person here is you.

Why did you change Serb general average?
This is Serb general average made by vbnetkhio and it is 100% correct!
Serb,25.07,29.92,17.03,8.75,15.35,1.59,0.48,0.29,0 .67,0.43,0.30,0.08,0.04

And even in this scale where you add different average for Serbs, as you see - Croat Herzegovina average is closer to Serb general average than to Croat general average, as well as closer to Serbs of Serbia than Croats of Croatia.


Case closed.

Now get out from Serbian topic.

Bosniak average is much closer to that Serbian average than to Croatian average.

[Leto]

So the Serb average is 29-30% Baltic and 24-25% North Atlantic. And why so much fuss about it?..

[Jana]

Forgot to mention something: unlike Serb. Croatian average is weighted.
It means it was made from regional averages, not individual ones.

If I made if from individual averages, it would be much closer to southern Croats, because 80% samples I have are from them. I made weighted average with northern side little bit dominating to show how most of Croats live in the north.

That's why Croat and Croat_Croatia are very close to academics from Zagreb.

I used only one general BiH Croat average, not 3 regional ones for Croat, because BiH Croats are few in numbers, not to pull average towards them. For Croat_Croatia I used all regions + Zagreb which means 3 from north and 2 from south because that's is correct from demographic point of view.

You Serbs have done nothing like that, ofcourse.

[Dušan]

Fetishy is just now discovering what I've been saying for years, good chunk of Croatia is just medieval serbs, after all the shtokavian dialect had to come with genetics too.

On the other hand Pribislav is really annoying, 3-5 extra baltic serb is normal to him (and it is), but 1-2 below average baltic and he invents montenegrin story or calls them vlachs/shopluk.

Standard variation goes in both directions, if a guy with a few extra baltic is normal, then so is one with a little below.

They are artificial nation formed by parts of completly different ethnic background.

Dalmatian Croats are closer to even Transilvanian Romanians and Bulgarians, than their "fellow" northern Croats!

Distance to: Croat_Dalmatia
1.41735669 Serb_B&H
1.66054208 Bosniak
2.10580151 Serb
2.20827987 Serb_Croatia
2.31253108 Croat_Tropolje
2.57186703 Croat_BiH
2.81455905 Bosniak_Sarajevo
2.96986532 Croat_Bosnia
3.14202164 Serb_Serbia
3.76686873 Croat_Lika-Senj
4.08192357 Szekely_Hungarian
4.20279669 Moldova_North
4.80068745 Croat
4.98708332 Romania_Moldavia_North
5.00551696 Bulgarian_Dupnitsa
5.13451069 Romania_Moldavia_average
5.30676926 Moldova_Centre
5.35981343 Croat_Croatia
5.64093964 Croat_Zagreb
5.70992119 Romania_Moldavia_South
5.74117584 Moldova_average
5.89079791 Csango_Gymes
6.15676863 Bulgarian_Pleven
6.45364238 Romanian_Transylvania
6.59371671 Bosniak_Tuzla
6.83674832 Slovenian
7.11103368 Bosniak_Sandzak
7.14377351 Montenegrin
7.51761930 Bulgarian_Sofia
7.52746969 Croat_Central_Croatia
7.66207544 Hungarian
8.56851495 Macedonian
8.78467415 Romanian_Wallachia_average
9.71519429 Macedonian_Northwest
9.99533891 Romanian_Muntenia
9.99559903 Bulgarian_Stara-Zagora
10.00857133 Pomak_Plovdiv
10.01412003 Moldova_South
10.62248558 Hungarian_East
10.64998592 Bulgarian_Gabrovo
10.80925992 Bulgarian
10.83313436 Bulgarian_Northwest
10.86513691 Croat_Zagorje
10.87774333 Turk_N-Macedonia
10.93393799 Bulgarian_Central
10.94450547 Hungarian_Transdanubia
11.06869165 Slovak
11.11627635 Bulgarian_Ruse
11.30480871 Bulgarian_Serres
11.74093693 Pomak_Kavala

[Jana]

Opaa, low Baltic Serb from Kordun. Look at the coping above, hillarious xD

[Jana]

Regarding Serbs, you are more uniform because you have no continuity whatsoever in your country, most of Serbia is made from dinaric colonists lmao xD

Which your proves your lack of nativity everyhwere.

It's no winder since we witnessed mass depopulations of Serbs lands several times in history. In Croatia, this was far less of a case.

We have regional differences exactly because we are old, organic nation with people rooted in their regions for centuries thus developing specific drift and type of ancestry, unlike Serbs.

[Jana]

Also, this can be observed in linguistics. Serb language is very poor and uniform dialect wise, while Croatian and Slovenian have extremely rich and diverse local dialects. That's also because Serbs as a nation didn't stay in one place for long.

Nation of nomads united by common church.

[Jana]

Dalmatian Croats are closer to Bulgarians than to Northern Croats. :thumb001:
Serbs are pretty homogenous nation, like one big family. :)

Ofcourse they aren't, Bulgarian averages are extremely unreliable.
Dupnitsa for example is made just from one person :lol:

[Leto]

So Serbia is a land of immigrants? Lol.

[Jana]

I had a dream in which appeared Pribislav and Dušan and many other Serbs (not from TA) a week ago, maybe I should share it in the lounge section. They wanted to kill me and my dog.

[Ford]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XVSRm80WzZk

[Dušan]

:cheer_icoon::1127::devil666:

The only things that unite Dalmatian and NW kajkavian Croats are Catholicism and hate toward Serbs.
In all other things - genetics, phenotype, language, traditions... they are two different worlds.