Music is Haram

[Azerimen]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=upodJ0m-BF8

[Teutone]

https://youtu.be/c1dafblZJec

I wish muslims would follow this, so we wouldnt have all these mena immigrant rappers in Europe.

[TheMaestro]

Listening to youtubers about what is and what is not haram is haram.
Other than that those pseudo muslim scholars and wannabe ISIS undecovers imans make me throw up.

[Teutone]

Listening to youtubers about what is and hat is not haram is haram.
Other than that those pseudo muslim scholats and wannabe ISIS undecovers imans make me throw up.

Pseudo?

A pseudo Imam would say Music is not haram, but its clearly haram.

[Abdelnour]

So classical music is haram? I can understand trash like most modern music, but there are good music that is innocent.

Hell, music sung in the Catholic choir, praising God, cannot be haram imo.

[Teutone]

So classical music is haram? I can understand trash like most modern music, but there are good music that is innocent.

Hell, music sung in the Catholic choir, praising God, cannot be haram imo.

Haram in Islam, not in Christianity.

In islam the use of instruments is haram, nasheeds that dont contain instruments are allowed.


https://youtu.be/dXJn1ccnAOM

[Azerimen]

Listening to youtubers about what is and hat is not haram is haram.
Other than that those pseudo muslim scholats and wannabe ISIS undecovers imans make me throw up.

shut up you never readed All-Qurʾān what you talking about. You are kafir nothing know about islam

[Tooting Carmen]

To what extent do Muslims in the MENA and South Asia actually follow the strictures of Islam? I increasingly believe there is often an obverse relationship between how strict and puritanical a society may seem in theory and how people behave in practice.

[Bosniensis]

We all listen music, but music in general was observed from a negative standpoint in both Christian and Muslim Empires.

It was considered that music attracts devils, while spiritual and religious chants turns them off.

[Azerimen]

All Westernization people know about Islam is from CNN

[Azerimen]

We all listen music, but music in general was observed from a negative standpoint in both Christian and Muslim Empires.

It was considered that music attracts devils, while spiritual and religious chants turns them off.

because music and dance manipulates human emotions

[Ylla]

because music and dance manipulates human emotions

Lol

[Sora]

You are joking

[Teutone]

because music and dance manipulates human emotions

I like that this forum finally has a real muslim!

whats your madhhab?

[Teutone]

You are joking

https://www.al-islam.org/music-and-its-effects-a-h-sheriff/quran-music

[de Burgh II]

Eyo, hol' up; do ya have "GUCCI MINK" bradda?!?

https://i.imgur.com/GWn8nN1.gif

[Joso]

OF course.
Not only it is haram but very unheakthy as well and create adhd, specially if you re autist-like

[TheMaestro]

Pseudo?

A pseudo Imam would say Music is not haram, but its clearly haram.

Not talking just about music, I'm talking about those undercover ISI agents pretending to be Imams in UK or France, teaching those Arabs what they should do and not to do.

[Azerimen]

Haram in Islam, not in Christianity.

In islam the use of instruments is haram, nasheeds that dont contain instruments are allowed.


https://youtu.be/dXJn1ccnAOM

yes only religious singing

[Teutone]

Not talking just about music, I'm talking about those undercover ISI agents pretending to be Imams in UK or France, teaching those Arabs what they should do and not to do.

If they are right about whats allowed and not, they are doing a good thing.

[Azerimen]

OF course.
Not only it is haram but very unheakthy ass well and create adhd, specially if you re autist-like

who said that? Latin Kafir? Go to hell

[Marmara]

Why is this pedophile allowed to be here?

[TheMaestro]

If they are right about whats allowed and not, they are doing a good thing.

No they are not. Because quraan is written in poems and they use this to propose their own thinking rather than that what it was meant to be. Listening to music is not haraam if it has good message purpose. So basically rap songs are haraam in general etc, but not normal jazz songs etc. If music was haraam you wouldnt literally have any songs in Arabian world, especially those songs about islam etc. Its all about the message the music gives you and its pretty understandable. Ofcourse a song talking about killing people, drugs etc is haraam, but a normal song singing about sweet home alabama is not haraam. Quraan is also talking about war with non- believers, in facts quraan is talking about historic period when in middle east non-believers wanted to get rid of islam, that's why quraan its mentioning it, it's not saying muslims should in 21st century start killing people. And to get to my point, those wannabe ISIS scholars would propose their own scumbag thinking where you should start killing nonbelievers etc. But thats not what quraan said.

[TheMaestro]

Why is this pedophile allowed to be here?

Hello Marmara.

[Marmara]

Only Salafi fundamentalist neo-muslims claim Music is haram, Music has always existed in Muslim cultures, and there is no command on banning music, these neo-muslims twist the meanings of verses. Even peninsular arabs have their own music and dances.

[Azerimen]

Marmara pedophil is your dad who born you. You atheistic cuckold

[Teutone]

No they are not. Because quraan is written in poems and they use this to propose their own thinking rather than that what it was meant to be. Listening to music is not haraam if it has good message purpose. So basically rap songs are haraam in general etc, but not normal jazz songs etc. If music was haraam you wouldnt literally have any songs in Arabian world, especially those songs about islam etc. Its all about the message the music gives you and its pretty understandable. Ofcourse a song talking about killing people, drugs etc is haraam, but a normal song singing about sweet home alabama is not haraam. Quraan is also talking about war with non- believers, in facts quraan is talking about historic period when in middle east non-believers wanted to get rid of islam, that's why quraan its mentioning it, it's not saying muslims should in 21st century start killing people. And to get to my point, those wannabe ISIS scholars would propose their own scumbag thinking where you should start killing nonbelievers etc. But thats not what quraan said.

There are no sharia caliphates currently but with sharia, only nasheeds are allowed and they arent music per se.

You cannot make up your own interpretation of the quran just like that, the scholars all agree that music is haram.

[Teutone]

https://youtu.be/YDrPbgE9h58

This mufti knows more about Islam than this whole forum

[Marmara]

Hello Marmara.

Sup

[Azerimen]

MORMARA you are funny guy who are atheist and talking about Islam. If Muslim culture have music accepted then only in Turkey as a mixture of pagan traditions and Islam that came in Turkey. Turkey is not muslim country

[Marmara]

MORMARA you are funny guy who are atheist and talking about Islam. If Muslim culture have music accepted then only in Turkey as a mixture of pagan traditions and Islam that came in Turkey. Turkey is not muslim country

I reported you for pedophilia.

[TheMaestro]

There are no sharia caliphates currently but with sharia, only nasheeds are allowed and they arent music per se.

You cannot make up your own interpretation of the quraan just like that, the scholars all agree that music is haraam.

What kind of scholars man, don't get me with those Arabic cowards wannabe that are opressed by their own government. I already said if the music has a good message and contains nothing harmfull for your brain there is nothing from listening to music. Plus there is no country in the world even the most islamic ones where the music is forbidden. If there would be any forbidden music, they would forbid certain artists, genres etc... Quraan is written in poems, you wont have in a 2500+ year book written literal sentences about something that didn't even exist at the time, but it's still mentioned in different way. That's why books like bible quraan and toorah have something exceptional.

[El_Abominacion]

Get help you moron lol

[Teutone]

What kind of scholars man, don't get me with those Arabic cowards wannabe that are opressed by their own government. I already said if the music has a good message and contains nothing harmfull for your brain there is nothing from listening to music. Plus there is no country in the world even the most islamic ones where the music is forbidden. If there would be any forbidden music, they would forbid certain artists, genres etc... Quraan is written in poems, you wont have in a 2500+ year book written literal sentences about something that didn't even exist at the time, but it's still mentioned in different way. That's why books like bible quraan and toorah have something exceptional.

Who are you to tell this lol

Show me a scholar of a mainstream maddhab that is allowing music, this would be an argument.
If you publicly listen to music in KSA you would be in trouble, same with Afghanistan.

[Azerimen]

I reported you for pedophilia.

ok cuckold. Just remember that you insult everyone muslim who acceptet married to 9-12 years old wife. You atheistic kafir

[Teutone]

Shias:

(salam)

Of course Music is haram in Shia Islam.

"A famous hadith I heard from a scholar say that one of the Imams (as) narrated that listening to music was like slapping your Imam Ali (as) on the face. That's how bad music can be."

[TheMaestro]

Who are you to tell this lol

Show me a scholar of a mainstream maddhab that is allowing music, this would be an argument.
If you publicly listen to music in KSA you would be in trouble, same with Afghanistan.

You are making me think you are dumb more and more. He exactly explains, how can something like "music" be haraam. Do you listen to yourself? In that case everything could be haraam. You also don't understand the concept of those books historic wise. But this is talk for longer time. Let's just say if in past for example people would be not permitted to volleyball, scholars would say that all sports are not permitted, because in past people were so dumb, they wouldn't understand simple things and they would have to be plain easy to understand. As for the music you can clearly see what the guy is trying to say. How can you ban something that is not causing you any harm or going against quraan. Its haraam if you listen to rap music not if you listen to jazz music and enjoying the evening with your family and if its hard to understand then feel free to not quote me, because I have nothing to say anymore, pal.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YE0nS0W01LE

[Tigranes]

...

Azerimen, I need your clarification on something, is this considered 'haram' as well?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jnU_x2ZAi-g

[Azerimen]

Get help you moron lol

liberals ateistic kafir weak men say that. LOL

[Azerimen]

Azerimen, I need your clarification on something, is this considered 'haram' as well?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jnU_x2ZAi-g

Armenoid go cooking kebab

[Teutone]

TheMaestro is the typical Albo that is living the haram life but justifies it by interpret the quran on his own.

Inshallah he will have to live under Shariah in his lifetime

[El_Abominacion]

liberals ateistic kafir weak men say that. LOL

You’re a literal pedophile, nuff said. And side note, the ‘Music is Haram’ video you linked has Music playing in the intro you fool xddddd

[Teutone]

And yes you fool, for a real muslim only sport activities that the prophet participated in, are allowed.

Here the scholar says its a controversial issue


https://youtu.be/etzXNLvc36A

[TheMaestro]

TheMaestro is the typical Albo that is living the haram life but justifies it by interpret the quran on his own.

Inshallah he will have to live under Shariah in his lifetime

You just showed your true colors kid, I just clearly outfacted you, but live in your fairy tale life buddy.

[TheMaestro]

And yes you fool, for a real muslim only sport activities that the prophet participated in, are allowed.

Here the scholar says its a controversial issue


https://youtu.be/etzXNLvc36A

Loool, you are really dumb, no wonders your best friend is CV. I put sport as an example not true analogy you idiot, ahahahah you really thought volleyball was restricted? I created an example how it worked in past, lol.

[Azerimen]

And yes you fool, for a real muslim only sport activities that the prophet participated in, are allowed.

Here the scholar says its a controversial issue


https://youtu.be/etzXNLvc36A

all sports are haram. I supported to Taliban

[Teutone]

You just showed your true colors kid, I just clearly outfacted you, but live in your fairy tale life buddy.

I am not a muslim, I can listen to music, so it doesnt bother me. If the rules of your religion bother you, leave it but do not lie about them.

If you defend Islam, you deserve it to the fullest, this means shariah.

[Tigranes]

Armenoid go cooking kebab

Nice! I like kebab very much, doner kebab :yumyum:

[PAGANE]

Therefore, Islam cannot create and will never be able to create civilization. There are many harams out there. Maybe it's time for Haram of Islam ?!

[Teutone]

all sports are haram. I supported to Taliban

No, Taliban and wahabis only allow sports such a archery cause the prophet did it.

[Tooting Carmen]

Ironically, some of the most oversexed Bollywood actors are from a Muslim background:

Salman Khan

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QWeX5yPdZUQ

Sharukh Khan

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SjBMHjCkE9k

Aamir Khan

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IlOgXalkjmQ

[TheMaestro]

I am not a muslim, I can listen to music, so it doesnt bother me. If the rules of your religion bother you, leave it but do not lie about them.

If you defend Islam, you deserve it to the fullest, this means shariah.

I was raised in catholic family dumbo, you are creating rules, and you clearly dont understand to islam. So stop pretending you are some kind of specialist when all you do is watch those pathethic youtube videos. I clearly send you video where the Imam explained if its or its not haraam. So stop being silly, because a book written 2500 years ago... Mr Teutone PHDR. Dr, specialist.

+ p.s its clearly visible what you're trying to get here, you've shown your true colors. Go spread your hatred and how everyone is haraam in stormfont or other forums equal to your IQ.

[Teutone]

I was raised in catholic family dumbo, you are creating rules, and you clearly dont understand to islam. So stop pretending you are some kind of specialist when all you do is watch those pathethic youtube videos. I clearly send you video where the Imam explained if its or its not haraam. So stop being silly, because a book written 2500 years ago... Mr Teutone PHDR. Dr, specialist.

You are clearly the expert thinking the quran is 2500+ years old LOL

Those guys I showed you are sheikhs, studiying Islam their entire life. And ofc if I wanna know anything about a religion, I follow the movement of it, thats taking the religion and the scripture most serious and literally. I do not create rules, you do lol.

Go to a Arab country and ask anyone from the regular imam to a sheikh if he thinks music is haram or not.

Dr. Shabir Ally is a moderate cuck, hes the islamic versions of christian priests ignoring the bible and peform gay marriages.

[TheMaestro]

You are clearly the expert thinking the quran is 2500+ years old LOL

Those guys I showed you are sheikhs, studiying Islam their entire life. And ofc if I wanna know anything about a religion, I follow the movement of it, thats taking the religion and the scripture most serious and literally. I do not create rules, you do lol.

Go to a Arab country and ask anyone from the regular imam to a sheikh if he thinks music is haram or not.

Dr. Shabir Ally is a moderate cuck, hes the islamic versions of christian priests ignoring the bible and peform gay marriages.

AHAHAHAHAH ye ye ofcourse. I guess you already have been in those countries and asked sheikhs, expert of religion. Clearly Quraan has written in it that music is premitted, no doubt.
None of yours wannabe sheikhs have balls to even tell that music in general is restricted and haraam in Islam, they all talk about how certain music is not good for you etc, they just run around the real question like cowards, but ye, you are the type of guys that would follow those ISIS guys because you believe in every interpretation of anything they tell you. You don't look at the answers and questions rationally.

[Teutone]

AHAHAHAHAH ye ye ofcourse. I guess you already have been in those countries and asked sheikhs, expert of religion. Clearly Quraan has written in it that music is premitted, no doubt.
None of yours wannabe sheikhs have balls to even tell that music in general is restricted and haraam in Islam, they all talk about how certain music is not good for you etc, they just run around the real question like cowards, but ye, you are the type of guys that would follow those ISIS guys because you believe in every interpretation of anything they tell you. You don't look at the answers and questions rationally.

Why Nasheeds dont contain instruments if they are not haram, answer me.

[TheMaestro]

Why Nasheeds dont contain instruments if they are not haram, answer me.

Because there are many things Arabs don't do and think they are not permitted, that doesn't mean everyone should follow them. I watch to books like bible, quraan or toorah in much more complexed way. Arabs tend to put everything into extremes, god is there to guide you to live a normal life and tries you to not do bad things, he is not there to restrict you everything, he is trying to protect you. If you live a harmonic life, I don't think you live in a haraam life, whoever you are Arab, catholic German or Protestant Scottish. In Islam if you help someone and do something that is right god forgives you another 100+ bad things you did, as I said its more complex than you might think, and arguing about listening to music is very pointless. The biggest problem of Islam is in it's core being in Middle-east, because Arabs are Arabs.

[Marmara]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nasheed#/languageshttps://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nasheed#/languages

I find it funny that most muslim languages don't have a Wikipedia article on Nasheed, it makes sense for Turkish since 99.9% of people don't even know what that is.

[Teutone]

Because there are many things Arabs don't do and think they are not permitted, that doesn't mean everyone should follow them. I watch to books like bible, quraan or toorah in much more complexed way. Arabs tend to put everything into extremes, god is there to guide you to live a normal life and tries you to not do bad things, he is not there to restrict you everything, he is trying to protect you. If you live a harmonic life, I don't think you live in a haraam life, whoever you are Arab, catholic German or Protestant Scottish. In Islam if you help someone and do something that is right god forgives you another 100+ bad things you did, as I said its more complex than you might think, and arguing about listening to music is very pointless. The biggest problem of Islam is in it's core being in Middle-east, because Arabs are Arabs.

If you dont follow, try to follow or accept the rules of your religion and even worse try the re-interpret them to a false meaning, "you" are worse than a atheist.

[Teutone]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nasheed#/languageshttps://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nasheed#/languages

I find it funny that most muslim languages don't have a Wikipedia article on Nasheed, it makes sense for Turkish since 99.9% of people don't even know what that is.

Those who do not allow music believe that Muhammad censured the use of musical instruments when he said: "There will be among my Ummah people who will regard as permissible adultery, silk, alcohol and musical instruments".[6] Islamic scholars of the past who agreed upon this include Abu Hanifa, Al-Shafi'i, Malik, Ahmad bin Hanbal, Al-Tabari, Al-Hasan Al-Basri, Al-Bukhari, Al-Tirmidhi, Al-Nawawi, Al-Bayhaqi, Al-Tahawi, and Al-Qurtubi.

[TheMaestro]

If you dont follow, try to follow or accept the rules of your religion and even worse try the re-interpret them to a false meaning, "you" are worse than a atheist.

Atleast we have you expert to tell us how to follow religions ahahahaha.

[Marmara]

Those who do not allow music believe that Muhammad censured the use of musical instruments when he said: "There will be among my Ummah people who will regard as permissible adultery, silk, alcohol and musical instruments".[6] Islamic scholars of the past who agreed upon this include Abu Hanifa, Al-Shafi'i, Malik, Ahmad bin Hanbal, Al-Tabari, Al-Hasan Al-Basri, Al-Bukhari, Al-Tirmidhi, Al-Nawawi, Al-Bayhaqi, Al-Tahawi, and Al-Qurtubi.

It doesn't matter. Original Christianity forbade pork. The fact is pretty much all muslim cultures today listen to music, and have their own folk music styles which includes instruments. Only ultra-orthodox islamic movements have a problem with music.

These people are cancer and they want to destroy authentic traditions of Muslim societies.

[Teutone]

Atleast we have you expert to tell us how to follow religions ahahahaha.

Its a general consensus view from people of all faiths actually. The quran,bible and even the catholic church are clear about inerrancy of scripture.

[TheMaestro]

It doesn't matter. Original Christianity forbade pork. The fact is pretty much all muslim cultures today listen to music, and have their own folk music styles which includes instruments. Only ultra-orthodox islamic movements have a problem with music.

These people are cancer and they want to destroy authentic traditions of Muslim societies.

Don't waste time with an ignorant listening to extremists.

[PaleoEuropean]

Is this song haram?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DgYSM91vJko

[TheMaestro]

Its a general consensus view from people of all faiths actually. The quran,bible and even the catholic church are clear about inerrancy of scripture.

Dude, last time, I wont reapeat myself. Listening to music as being haraam is not mentioned in quraan therefore all your wannabe extremist scholars none cares about can go back to caves where they came from.
If it's not mentioned in quraan why are you trying to convince me something that other person said? What is your purpose? If there is a law in Germany that if you commit genocide you will go to the jail, and you will say hey nah dont send him to the jail? Should they listen to you or the core of everything - law? You literally have quraan tell you what to do, not some extremists..... So save your answer to this post, because I have nothing more to add.

[TheMaestro]

Is this song haram?

This would be XD

[Azerimen]

You are joking

not I am not joking mongolian kid

[Teutone]

It doesn't matter. Original Christianity forbade pork. The fact is pretty much all muslim cultures today listen to music, and have their own folk music styles which includes instruments. Only ultra-orthodox islamic movements have a problem with music.

These people are cancer and they want to destroy authentic traditions of Muslim societies.

Jesus actively permitted eating pork.

Mark 7:18-19 New International Version (NIV)
18 “Are you so dull?” he asked. “Don’t you see that nothing that enters a person from the outside can defile them? 19 For it doesn’t go into their heart but into their stomach, and then out of the body.” (In saying this, Jesus declared all foods clean.)

[PaleoEuropean]

This would be XD

What about this song?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q1lSiXZpoGM

[PaleoEuropean]

This would be XD

The jungle mix

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IowLHYwXLOw

[Teutone]

Dude, last time, I wont reapeat myself. Listening to music as being haraam is not mentioned in quraan therefore all your wannabe extremist scholars none cares about can go back to caves where they came from.
If it's not mentioned in quraan why are you trying to convince me something that other person said? What is your purpose? If there is a law in Germany that if you commit genocide you will go to the jail, and you will say hey nah dont send him to the jail? Should they listen to you or the core of everything - law? You literally have quraan tell you what to do, not some extremists..... So save your answer to this post, because I have nothing more to add.

90+ % of muslims follow a maddhab that is not exclusively quran based but also follows Sunnah/Hadiths.

[Arsen_]

What about singing and dancing of Sufi Muslims?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSTh0ybvSLk


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5goISKPSH8


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jbrGh-EYac

[PaleoEuropean]

90+ % of muslims follow a maddhab that is not exclusively quran based but also follows Sunnah/Hadiths.

Very true.

[TheMaestro]

Jesus actively permitted eating pork.

Mark 7:18-19 New International Version (NIV)
18 “Are you so dull?” he asked. “Don’t you see that nothing that enters a person from the outside can defile them? 19 For it doesn’t go into their heart but into their stomach, and then out of the body.” (In saying this, Jesus declared all foods clean.)


Teutone Im quoting you "you're worse than an atheist" Stop proclaiming lies.

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Bible Gateway Leviticus 11 :: NIV


The Lord said to Moses and Aaron, 2 “Say to the Israelites: ‘Of all the animals that live on land, these are the ones you may eat: 3 You may eat any animal that has a divided hoof and that chews the cud.

4 “‘There are some that only chew the cud or only have a divided hoof, but you must not eat them. The camel, though it chews the cud, does not have a divided hoof; it is ceremonially unclean for you. 5 The hyrax, though it chews the cud, does not have a divided hoof; it is unclean for you. 6 The rabbit, though it chews the cud, does not have a divided hoof; it is unclean for you. 7 And the pig, though it has a divided hoof, does not chew the cud; it is unclean for you. 8 You must not eat their meat or touch their carcasses; they are unclean for you.

[PaleoEuropean]

Shias:

(salam)

Of course Music is haram in Shia Islam.

"A famous hadith I heard from a scholar say that one of the Imams (as) narrated that listening to music was like slapping your Imam Ali (as) on the face. That's how bad music can be."

Shia music always has dope synth in it though. Look at Hezbullshit's greatest hits.

[TheMaestro]

90+ % of muslims follow a maddhab that is not exclusively quran based but also follows Sunnah/Hadiths.

Maddhab is a school, not an ISIS battalion....

[PaleoEuropean]

Teutone Im quoting you "you're worse than an atheist" Stop proclaiming lies.

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Bible Gateway Leviticus 11 :: NIV


The Lord said to Moses and Aaron, 2 “Say to the Israelites: ‘Of all the animals that live on land, these are the ones you may eat: 3 You may eat any animal that has a divided hoof and that chews the cud.

4 “‘There are some that only chew the cud or only have a divided hoof, but you must not eat them. The camel, though it chews the cud, does not have a divided hoof; it is ceremonially unclean for you. 5 The hyrax, though it chews the cud, does not have a divided hoof; it is unclean for you. 6 The rabbit, though it chews the cud, does not have a divided hoof; it is unclean for you. 7 And the pig, though it has a divided hoof, does not chew the cud; it is unclean for you. 8 You must not eat their meat or touch their carcasses; they are unclean for you.

Teutone is correct in that there is a passage where the Roman church said that all meat was considered clean it's in the NT I can't remember where, I think its Romans actually.

[Teutone]

Teutone Im quoting you "you're worse than an atheist" Stop proclaiming lies.

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Bible Gateway Leviticus 11 :: NIV


The Lord said to Moses and Aaron, 2 “Say to the Israelites: ‘Of all the animals that live on land, these are the ones you may eat: 3 You may eat any animal that has a divided hoof and that chews the cud.

4 “‘There are some that only chew the cud or only have a divided hoof, but you must not eat them. The camel, though it chews the cud, does not have a divided hoof; it is ceremonially unclean for you. 5 The hyrax, though it chews the cud, does not have a divided hoof; it is unclean for you. 6 The rabbit, though it chews the cud, does not have a divided hoof; it is unclean for you. 7 And the pig, though it has a divided hoof, does not chew the cud; it is unclean for you. 8 You must not eat their meat or touch their carcasses; they are unclean for you.

Are you aware of the basic knowledhe of Christianity that the laws of the New Testament surpass those of the Old Testament? I posted a new testament verse that is clearly surpassing a old testament verse.

Matthew 5:17-18

17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill.

18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

[Teutone]

Maddhab is a school, not an ISIS battalion....

ISIS follows the Hanbali maddhab.
Alot of groups in Idlib follow the Hanafi maddhab.

[TheMaestro]

Are you aware of the basic knowledhe of Christianity that the laws of the New Testament surpass those of the Old Testament? I posted a new testament verse that is clearly surpassing a old testament verse.

Matthew 5:17-18

17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill.

18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

Quote me a verse where new testament says it actually approves eating pig meat. In those two you posted I see nothing about pigs, so can we get to actual facts. You are being outfacted all the time, sad you are stubborn as CV proclaiming wannabe scholars are actually saying the truth, when they talk about something that in Quraan is not mentioned directly.

[Teutone]

What about singing and dancing of Sufi Muslims?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iSTh0ybvSLk


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5goISKPSH8


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jbrGh-EYac

Most muslims think they are heretic, they get persecuted for a long time till this very date.

[TheMaestro]

ISIS follows the Hanbali maddhab.
Alot of groups in Idlib follow the Hanafi maddhab.

This is your answer to your claiming? Dude how down you have to fall, when you use this as a arguement. Believe in something that ISIS proclaims to use, lol.

[Teutone]

Quote me a verse where new testament says it actually approves eating pig meat. In those two you posted I see nothing about pigs, so can we get to actual facts. You are being outfacted all the time, sad you are stubborn as CV proclaiming wannabe scholars are actually saying the truth, when they talk about something that in Quraan is not mentioned directly.

I can post the same verse again.

Mark 7:18-19 New International Version (NIV)
18 “Are you so dull?” he asked. “Don’t you see that nothing that enters a person from the outside can defile them? 19 For it doesn’t go into their heart but into their stomach, and then out of the body.” (In saying this, Jesus declared all foods clean.)

Its very clear, why would it specify on all animals that exist if its way more clear and effective to say nothing you eat is sinful.

[Teutone]

This is your answer to your claiming? Dude how down you have to fall, when you use this as a arguement. ISIS proclaims using teachings of Quraan, that doesnt mean they are doing it lol.

They are the best and most authentic muslims out there, they are true representatives of Islam. Al Baghdadi was a muslim scholar and a qureish.

[TheMaestro]

I can post the same verse again.

Mark 7:18-19 New International Version (NIV)
18 “Are you so dull?” he asked. “Don’t you see that nothing that enters a person from the outside can defile them? 19 For it doesn’t go into their heart but into their stomach, and then out of the body.” (In saying this, Jesus declared all foods clean.)

Its very clear, why would it specify on all animals that exist if its way more clear and effective to say nothing you eat is sinful.

This is in NIV, so why are you talking about old testament.


Bible Gateway Leviticus 11 :: NIV


The Lord said to Moses and Aaron, 2 “Say to the Israelites: ‘Of all the animals that live on land, these are the ones you may eat: 3 You may eat any animal that has a divided hoof and that chews the cud.

4 “‘There are some that only chew the cud or only have a divided hoof, but you must not eat them. The camel, though it chews the cud, does not have a divided hoof; it is ceremonially unclean for you. 5 The hyrax, though it chews the cud, does not have a divided hoof; it is unclean for you. 6 The rabbit, though it chews the cud, does not have a divided hoof; it is unclean for you. 7 And the pig, though it has a divided hoof, does not chew the cud; it is unclean for you. 8 You must not eat their meat or touch their carcasses; they are unclean for you.

[TheMaestro]

They are the best and most authentic muslims out there, they are true representatives of Islam. Al Baghdadi was a muslim scholar and a qureish.

So you are again denying Quraan, lol dude, you have to be on pills or something. Why should I listen to someone who've read the book rather than asking the "author" himself?

[Teutone]

This is in NIV, so why are you talking about old testament.


Bible Gateway Leviticus 11 :: NIV


The Lord said to Moses and Aaron, 2 “Say to the Israelites: ‘Of all the animals that live on land, these are the ones you may eat: 3 You may eat any animal that has a divided hoof and that chews the cud.

4 “‘There are some that only chew the cud or only have a divided hoof, but you must not eat them. The camel, though it chews the cud, does not have a divided hoof; it is ceremonially unclean for you. 5 The hyrax, though it chews the cud, does not have a divided hoof; it is unclean for you. 6 The rabbit, though it chews the cud, does not have a divided hoof; it is unclean for you. 7 And the pig, though it has a divided hoof, does not chew the cud; it is unclean for you. 8 You must not eat their meat or touch their carcasses; they are unclean for you.

Are you on drugs?

Leviticus the 3. book of moses is part of the old testament.

[Ford]

I think music is allowed but not instruments. So basically only singing is allowed.

[Teutone]

So you are again denying Quraan, lol dude, you have to be on pills or something. Why should I listen to someone who've read the book rather than asking the "author" himself?

I do deny the Quran and Islam, I oppose the Religion and think their prophet is a bastard. Yet I know some things about the Quran and I am aware that ISIS follows the quran and hadiths better than any euro muslim with their fantasy interpretations.

[Teutone]

I think music is allowed but not instruments. So only singing basically.

What I say all the time, and islamic "music" without instruments are called nasheeds.

Our Albo friend denies this basic fact tho

[Teutone]

NIV stands for new international version, not for new testament. Its a translation of the old and new testament. Now I get why you think its part of the new testament. Dont worry. Just have the guts to admit you were wrong.

[TheMaestro]

I do deny the Quran and Islam, I oppose the Religion and think their prophet is a bastard. Yet I know some things about the Quran and I am aware that ISIS follows the quran and hadiths better than any euro muslim with their fantasy interpretations.

You are basically debunker, you could join the Mythbusters cast. Everything you say is clear as water and true. You rather believe some random people who proclaim their opinions to be truth, rather than the actual book, where most of things they say are not even mentioned. As I can see you are a pathetic liar too, your last sentence is hilarious.

[TheMaestro]

What I say all the time, and islamic "music" without instruments are called nasheeds.

Our Albo friend denies this basic fact tho

Music is not mentioned in quraan, so go live in your fairytale life you kebab slave.

[Teutone]

You are basically debunker, you could join the Mythbusters cast. Everything you say is clear as water and true. You rather believe some random people who proclaim their opinions to be truth, rather than the actual book, where most of things they say are not even mentioned. As I can see you are a pathetic liar too, your last sentence is hilarious.

I do not base anything I said here on a isis scholar, I based it on scholars of the hanafi anf hanbali maddhab. Look up the sheikhs that I mentioned here.

[Teutone]

Music is not mentioned in quraan, so go live in your fairytale life you kebab slave.

Do you know the importance of Hadiths/Sunnah for the vast mayority of Muslims?

[TheMaestro]

I do not base anything I said here on a isis scholar, I based it on scholars of the hanafi anf hanbali maddhab. Look up the sheikhs that I mentioned here.

Yes you are basing it on scholars, who cares about them? LOL man, why I have to repeat myself 50 times. If its not in quraan why should I listen to some wannabes.

[TheMaestro]

I do not base anything I said here on a isis scholar, I based it on scholars of the hanafi anf hanbali maddhab. Look up the sheikhs that I mentioned here.

Yes you are basing it on scholars, who cares about them? LOL man, why I have to repeat myself 50 times. If its not in quraan why should I listen to some wannabes.

[TheMaestro]

Do you know the importance of Hadiths/Sunnah for the vast mayority of Muslims?

Do you know the importance of quraan, bible or Toorah ? This is something that should guide you. If a history teacher in your school proclaim something that didnt happen you should blindly believe it? Ye thats your logic lol, you have milions of teachers of history but there is just one truth and one history, who cares what other plebs think and how they change the facts.

[kalach]

At least you are not a hypocrite Muslim. Yes, in Islam music is Haram.

[Teutone]

Yes you are basing it on scholars, who cares about them? LOL man, why I have to repeat myself 50 times. If its not in quraan why should I listen to some wannabes.

Some Wannabes? Do you even know the reason for maddhabs and sunnah/hadiths? For a person that claims or acts to memorize the quran you dont know alot about basic principles of Islam. I showed you scholars that infact memorize the quran.

[TheMaestro]

Some Wannabes? Do you even know the reason for maddhabs and sunnah/hadiths? For a person that claims or acts to memorize the quran you dont know alot about basic principles of Islam. I showed you scholars that infact memorize the quran.

I dont need someone to tell me something that is not mentioned in quraan, bye. Memorizing of something that is not mentioned, I would like to know how is it possible, some kind of Deutche kebab way.

[Teutone]

Do you know the importance of quraan, bible or Toorah ? This is something that should guide you. If a history teacher in your school proclaim something that didnt happen you should blindly believe it? Ye thats your logic lol, you have milions of teachers of history but there is just one truth and one history, who cares what other plebs think and how they change the facts.

If I value any of these 3 books as important to me personally I gotta ignore and reject parts of the other 2 books and accept only one as holy.

The Thora and therfor Judaism dont value anything as gods word written in the New Testament and Quran.

The New Testament and therfor Christianity, values the old testament but the laws of the olf testament that directly contradict the new testament are not valid. It doesnt recognize the Quran as gods word.


The Qura

[TheMaestro]

If I value any of these 3 books as important to me personally I gotta ignore and reject parts of 2 of them and accept one as holy.

The Thora and therfor Judaism dont value anything as gods word written in the New Testament and Quran.

The New Testament and therfor Christianity, values the old testament but the laws of the olf testament that directly contradict the new testament are not valid. It doesnt recognize the Quran as gods word.


The Qura

Im now talking about you proclaiming music is forbidden its not mentioned now stop quoting me bye.

[Teutone]

Im now talking about you proclaiming music is forbidden its not mentioned now stop quoting me bye.

I do and 99% of muslim scholars. But keep telling me how pork is a sin for Christians and how Leviticus is part of the new testament.

[TheMaestro]

I do and 99% of muslim scholars. But keep telling me how pork is a sin for Christians and how Leviticus is part of the new testament.

Yep keep telling me how music as a whole is forbidden while its not even mentioned in quraan.

[Teutone]

Sheikh TheMaestro Al London, that doesnt know what the sunnah is.

mashallah

[TheMaestro]

Sheikh TheMaestro Al London, that doesnt know what the sunnah is.

mashallah

Kebab Teutone Ali Berlin, that doesn't care what is in Quraan. My ethics teacher once said me dogs can talk, I gonna believe her.

[Teutone]

Kebab Teutone Ali Berlin, that doesn't care what is in Quraan. My ethics teacher once said me dogs can talk, I gonna believe her.

I mentioned the Quran and Sunnah and the scholars I posted here did so too.
Why would I claim to know more than a scholar on Islam, Quran and Sunnah, only a insane person like you would do that.

The there is a general consensus of relevant sunni schoolars that instrumental music is haram.

[Mingle]

Generally, its considered haram by most Islamic scholars. Yes, many Muslims do listen to and produce music, but that doesn't make it halal. Most Muslims don't pray 5 times a day, but that doesn't mean they're not sinning when they don't pray. Below I'll post quotes from Islamic that can be interpreted as mentioning music and you can decide for yourself.

First I'll post the quotes that can be interpreted as saying that music is haram from both the Qur'an an Hadith.

Quran


And of the people is he who buys the amusement of speech to mislead [others] from the way of Allah without knowledge and who takes it in ridicule. Those will have a humiliating punishment. [31:6]


And incite [to senselessness] whoever you can among them with your voice and assault them with your horses and foot soldiers and become a partner in their wealth and their children and promise them." But Satan does not promise them except delusion. [17:64]

Hadith


that he heard the Prophet (ﷺ) saying, "From among my followers there will be some people who will consider illegal sexual intercourse, the wearing of silk, the drinking of alcoholic drinks and the use of musical instruments, as lawful. And there will be some people who will stay near the side of a mountain and in the evening their shepherd will come to them with their sheep and ask them for something, but they will say to him, 'Return to us tomorrow.' Allah will destroy them during the night and will let the mountain fall on them, and He will transform the rest of them into monkeys and pigs and they will remain so till the Day of Resurrection."


Narrated Abu Umamah: that the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) said: "Do not sell the female singers, nor purchase them, nor teach them (to sing). And there is no good in trade in them, and their prices are unlawful. It was about the likes of this that this Ayah was revealed: 'And among mankind is he who purchases idle talk to divert from the way of Allah (31:6).'"


Nafi' said: Ibn Umar heard a pipe, put his fingers in his ears and went away from the road. He said to me: Are you hearing anything? I said: No. He said: He then took his fingers out of his ears and said: I was with the Prophet (ﷺ), and he heard like this and he did like this. AbuAli al-Lu'lu said: I heard AbuDawud say: This is a rejected hadith.

Now I'll post sources that can be interpreted as allowing music. There are no verses from the Qur'an that can be interpreted as allowing music so I'll post the one Hadith that can be interpreted as such.


That once Abu Bakr came to her on the day of Id-ul-Fitr or Id ul Adha while the Prophet (ﷺ) was with her and there were two girl singers with her, singing songs of the Ansar about the day of Buath. Abu Bakr said twice. "Musical instrument of Satan!" But the Prophet (ﷺ) said, "Leave them Abu Bakr, for every nation has an Id (i.e. festival) and this day is our Id."

The above doesn't seem convincing at all, but I just posted it since some will argue that Muhammad is tolerating music here so therefore isn't haram for that reason.

Here is the source I took the information from (it goes into more detail if you're interested in it): https://islam.stackexchange.com/questions/237/is-listening-to-music-halal

So based on this, my personal conclusion is that it is haram, which is the consensus among Muslim scholars. The general exception though is if the music is used to promote the religion (i.e. nasheeds) because they are considering to be doing good (propagation of Islam) rather than bad (distracting one from Islam). I've also seen some Muslims say that watching TV is also forbidden unless its Islamic content because TV is a distraction from Islam. I remember going to the house of a person whose father was an imam before and they had no TV in their house for that reason even though they could easily afford it.

[TheMaestro]

I mentioned the Quran and Sunnah and the scholars I posted here did so too.
Why would I claim to know more than a scholar on Islam, Quran and Sunnah, only a insane person like you would do that.

The there is a general consensus of relevant sunni schoolars that instrumental music is haram.

You and your scholars are you in relationship with them? I'm not claiming nothing more than is written in quraan to be truth for islam. Scholars make mistakes and are not the ones above their god. If a school have certain rules, and if principal approves something that is not written in the rules? Who has the truth? Principal or the rules we all accepted and are following them?

[Arsen_]

You and your scholars are you in relationship with them? I'm not claiming nothing more than is written in quraan to be truth for islam. Scholars make mistakes and are not the ones above their god..

There is no direct Quranic text prohibiting witchcraft or homosexuality as well. Does it mean that witchcraft or homosexuality are allowed in islam because there is no direct ban on this in the Quran?

[TheMaestro]

There is no direct Quranic text prohibiting witchcraft or homosexuality as well. Does it mean that witchcraft or homosexuality are allowed in islam because there is no direct ban on this in the Quran?

Comparing witchcraft and homosexuality to music? Dalbayob? Quraan says we should not listen something that is harmfull etc, therefore rap shouldnt be allowed. People irrational like you and other will always have hard time understanding any holy books...

[Arsen_]

Comparing witchcraft and homosexuality to music? Dalbayob? Quraan says we should not listen something that is harmfull etc, therefore rap shouldnt be allowed. People irrational like you and other will always have hard time understanding any holy books...

Do not pretend to be smartass. By your dumb logics any other dickhead like you can claim that music, witchcraft or homosexuality are allowed in islam because there is no direct ban on this in the Quran.

[TheMaestro]

Do not pretend to be smartass. By your dumb logics any other dickhead like you can claim that music, witchcraft or homosexuality are allowed in islam because there is no direct ban on this in the Quran.

As any other dumbass can claim anything to be haraam? Doesnt it daun, nice logic.

[Mingle]

There is no direct Quranic text prohibiting witchcraft or homosexuality as well. Does it mean that witchcraft or homosexuality are allowed in islam because there is no direct ban on this in the Quran?

Music, homophilic behavior, and witchcraft are all condemned in the Qur'an.

Music: https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?313838-Music-is-Haram&p=6471461&viewfull=1#post6471461

Homophilic behavior: https://www.gale.info/en/database/reading/homosexuality-and-transgenderism-in-the-quran

Sorcery/witchcraft: https://www.islamreligion.com/articles/5246/sorcery-in-islam-part-1/

[Teutone]

You and your scholars are you in relationship with them? I'm not claiming nothing more than is written in quraan to be truth for islam. Scholars make mistakes and are not the ones above their god. If a school have certain rules, and if principal approves something that is not written in the rules? Who has the truth? Principal or the rules we all accepted and are following them?

I dont base it on the view of one singld scholar but the vast mayority of sunni scholars that agree on this issue. Just as I trust the vast mayority of scientists on the shape of the earth and not the single ones saying its flat.

[Teutone]

As any other dumbass can claim anything to be haraam? Doesnt it daun, nice logic.

Any dumbass? No but sheikhs that study the quran and authentency of hadiths their entire life.

[TheMaestro]

Any dumbass? No but sheikhs that study the quran and authentency of hadiths their entire life.

How can you come to conclussions from something that doesn't exist? Tell me.

[Arsen_]

Music, homophilic behavior, and witchcraft are all condemned in the Qur'an.

Music: https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?313838-Music-is-Haram&p=6471461&viewfull=1#post6471461

Homophilic behavior: https://www.gale.info/en/database/reading/homosexuality-and-transgenderism-in-the-quran

Sorcery/witchcraft: https://www.islamreligion.com/articles/5246/sorcery-in-islam-part-1/

Do you understand the difference between a direct ban which is a direct and unequivocal indication of what you can’t do (like for example a ban on the drinking wine in the Koran) and some kind of indirect condemnation?

For example I can condemn you for drinking wine and I can directly and unequivocally forbid drinking wine - is the difference clear for you?

[Teutone]

How can you come to conclussions from something that doesn't exist? Tell me.

Mingle posted quran verses and hadiths that speak about it:

Quran

And of the people is he who buys the amusement of speech to mislead [others] from the way of Allah without knowledge and who takes it in ridicule. Those will have a humiliating punishment. [31:6]
And incite [to senselessness] whoever you can among them with your voice and assault them with your horses and foot soldiers and become a partner in their wealth and their children and promise them." But Satan does not promise them except delusion. [17:64]
Hadith

that he heard the Prophet (ﷺ) saying, "From among my followers there will be some people who will consider illegal sexual intercourse, the wearing of silk, the drinking of alcoholic drinks and the use of musical instruments, as lawful. And there will be some people who will stay near the side of a mountain and in the evening their shepherd will come to them with their sheep and ask them for something, but they will say to him, 'Return to us tomorrow.' Allah will destroy them during the night and will let the mountain fall on them, and He will transform the rest of them into monkeys and pigs and they will remain so till the Day of Resurrection."
Narrated Abu Umamah: that the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) said: "Do not sell the female singers, nor purchase them, nor teach them (to sing). And there is no good in trade in them, and their prices are unlawful. It was about the likes of this that this Ayah was revealed: 'And among mankind is he who purchases idle talk to divert from the way of Allah (31:6).'"
Nafi' said: Ibn Umar heard a pipe, put his fingers in his ears and went away from the road. He said to me: Are you hearing anything? I said: No. He said: He then took his fingers out of his ears and said: I was with the Prophet (ﷺ), and he heard like this and he did like this. AbuAli al-Lu'lu said: I heard AbuDawud say: This is a rejected hadith.

[TheMaestro]

I dont base it on the view of one singld scholar but the vast mayority of sunni scholars that agree on this issue. Just as I trust the vast mayority of scientists on the shape of the earth and not the single ones saying its flat.

Is scholar the only word in your vocabulary? Don't react to my posts dude..

[Teutone]

Do you understand the difference between a direct ban which is a direct and unequivocal indication of what you can’t do (like for example a ban on the drinking wine in the Koran) and some kind of indirect condemnation?

For example I can condemn you for drinking wine and I can directly and unequivocally forbid drinking wine - is the difference clear for you?

You guys both ageee that music is haram, what you argue about?

[TheMaestro]

Mingle posted quran verses and hadiths that speak about it:

Quran

And of the people is he who buys the amusement of speech to mislead [others] from the way of Allah without knowledge and who takes it in ridicule. Those will have a humiliating punishment. [31:6]
And incite [to senselessness] whoever you can among them with your voice and assault them with your horses and foot soldiers and become a partner in their wealth and their children and promise them." But Satan does not promise them except delusion. [17:64]
Hadith

that he heard the Prophet (ﷺ) saying, "From among my followers there will be some people who will consider illegal sexual intercourse, the wearing of silk, the drinking of alcoholic drinks and the use of musical instruments, as lawful. And there will be some people who will stay near the side of a mountain and in the evening their shepherd will come to them with their sheep and ask them for something, but they will say to him, 'Return to us tomorrow.' Allah will destroy them during the night and will let the mountain fall on them, and He will transform the rest of them into monkeys and pigs and they will remain so till the Day of Resurrection."
Narrated Abu Umamah: that the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) said: "Do not sell the female singers, nor purchase them, nor teach them (to sing). And there is no good in trade in them, and their prices are unlawful. It was about the likes of this that this Ayah was revealed: 'And among mankind is he who purchases idle talk to divert from the way of Allah (31:6).'"
Nafi' said: Ibn Umar heard a pipe, put his fingers in his ears and went away from the road. He said to me: Are you hearing anything? I said: No. He said: He then took his fingers out of his ears and said: I was with the Prophet (ﷺ), and he heard like this and he did like this. AbuAli al-Lu'lu said: I heard AbuDawud say: This is a rejected hadith.

You are just literally copying a text that doesnt mention music directly. I am basically telling you what the text says for few hours now but you are butthurt to listen.

"And of the people is he who buys the amusement of speech to mislead [others] from the way of Allah without knowledge and who takes it in ridicule. Those will have a humiliating punishment.'

etc etc, all what it's saying that I've been saying you whole time. You should listen to something that is against islam, god, something that humiliates or proposes doing something bad, therefore drugs, killings etc...

So why are you still talking?

[Teutone]

Is scholar the only word in your vocabulary? Don't react to my posts dude..

No its a logical argument since they know more about the quran than this entire forum combined.You make a fool out of yourself in this entire thread. From claiming leviticus is not in the old testament to claiming hadiths are irrelevant. Here we provided quran verses, fatwas and hadiths proving you wrong.

[Teutone]

You are just literally copying a text that doesnt mention music directly. I am basically telling you what the text says for few hours now but you are butthurt to listen.

"And of the people is he who buys the amusement of speech to mislead [others] from the way of Allah without knowledge and who takes it in ridicule. Those will have a humiliating punishment.'

etc etc, all what it's saying that I've been saying you whole time. You should listen to something that is against islam, god, something that humiliates or proposes doing something bad, therefore drugs, killings etc...

So why are you still talking?

Just because its not explicit mentioned as the word music its still very clear where its heading to, just like the bible verse of mark which I showed you permitting pork. The Hadiths also directly mention music.

[TheMaestro]

No its a logical argument since they know more about the quran than this entire forum combined.You make a fool out of yourself in this entire thread. From claiming leviticus is not in the old testament to claiming hadiths are irrelevant. Here we provided quran verses, fatwas and hadiths proving you wrong.

You are only fool here saying that scholars are something more important than quraan itself lol. Rules are above everything buddy, you are the type of person ISIS lures without any problem. Oh he said killing people is okay, its for the sake for islam, it doesnt matter it isnt even mentioned in quraan, those scholars have their point, XD Stop quoting me fool kebab slave.

[PaleoEuropean]

^^^^

You guys shake hands and make up and then take a lap.

[Teutone]

You are only fool here saying that scholars are something more important than quraan itself lol. Rules are above everything buddy, you are the type of person ISIS lures without any problem. Oh he said killing people is okay, its for the sake for islam, it doesnt matter it isnt even mentioned in quraan, those scholars have their point, XD Stop quoting me fool kebab slave.

Well im not a muslim so Isis cant lure me, the quran is a fictional book to me with no importance let alone spiritual relevance. I repeat myself the Isis mujahideen live closer to the way mohammed lived and follow the quran more accurately than you balkan muslims that listen to music, dance, dont cover your women and interpret the quran on your own will.

[Teutone]

^^^^

You guys shake hands and make up and then take a lap.

A guy that cant admit he is wrong is a fool to me, he said leviticus is part of the new testament in this thread, obviously a lie and he doesnt admit its in the old testament. Let alone his denial of voilence in the quran.

[TheMaestro]

Well im not a muslim so Isis cant lure me, the quran is a fictional book to me with no importance let alone spiritual relevance. I repeat myself the Isis mujahideen live closer to the way mohammed lived and follow the quran more accurately than you balkan muslims that listen to music, dance, dont cover your women and interpret the quran on your own will.

"You Balkan muslims"? Do you even know where I'm from? XDDDDDDDDDDDDD
Dude you always imply something that you dont know.

[TheMaestro]

A guy that cant admit he is wrong is a fool to me, he said leviticus is part of the new testament in this thread, obviously a lie and he doesnt admit its in the old testament. Let alone his denial of voilence in the quran.

Nope thread was about Quraan not allowing music, I said its not mentioned in Quraan. You as a hompin monkey started to talk about scholars etc XD Its still hilarious to see.

[Teutone]

"You Balkan muslims"? Do you even know where I'm from? XDDDDDDDDDDDDD
Dude you always imply something that you dont know.

Even if you are a Japanese scientologist, it doesnt change the fact a mujahideen is following mohammed and the quran very accurately. Thats why Wahabism is spreading all around the sunni world, its hard to argue against the authentic interpretation of the quran and sunnah by them.

[Teutone]

Nope thread was about Quraan not allowing music, I said its not mentioned in Quraan. You as a hompin monkey started to talk about scholars etc XD Its still hilarious to see.

Yes dude, are you mentally disabled? How often you want us to mention the same Suras?

[TheMaestro]

Yes dude, are you mentally disabled? How often you want us to mention the same Suras?

How many times will you mention scholars ? LOL.

[TheMaestro]

Even if you are a Japanese scientologist, it doesnt change the fact a mujahideen is following mohammed and the quran very accurately. Thats why Wahabism is spreading all around the sunni world, its hard to argue against the authentic interpretation of the quran and sunnah by them.

Okay dude, say whatever you want I dont care what you think about muslims or others.

[Teutone]

How many times will you mention scholars ? LOL.

As often as its needed to show you how ignorant and stupid you are. I dont even believe you grew up as a catholic, you completly dont understand the meaning of theology and dogmas quite obviously.

[TheMaestro]

As often as its needed to show you how ignorant and stupid you are. I dont even believe you grew up as a catholic, you completly dont understand the meaning of theology and dogmas quite obviously.

Congratz Jurgen.

[Nassbean]

To what extent do Muslims in the MENA and South Asia actually follow the strictures of Islam? I increasingly believe there is often an obverse relationship between how strict and puritanical a society may seem in theory and how people behave in practice.

When it comes to music almost no one in the maghreb respect those rules

[Teutone]

When it comes to music almost no one in the maghreb respect those rules

But you admit the rule exists?

[Nassbean]

But you admit the rule exists?

They exist but almost no one is aware of them and in my case I don't care i'm not muslim

[Teutone]

They exist but almost no one is aware of them and in my case I don't care i'm not muslim

Rate my fav arabic song akhi


https://youtu.be/ys3tQezvgRE

[Carlito's Way]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDSytftnLFI

[Nassbean]

Rate my fav arabic song akhi


https://youtu.be/ys3tQezvgRE

4/10 :ohwell:

[Nassbean]

Haram in Islam, not in Christianity.

In islam the use of instruments is haram, nasheeds that dont contain instruments are allowed.


https://youtu.be/dXJn1ccnAOM

this one is a 6/10

[Arsen_]

this one is a 6/10

How about this one?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1rfVJiaWpqM

[Armenian Bishop]

We all listen music, but music in general was observed from a negative standpoint in both Christian and Muslim Empires.

It was considered that music attracts devils, while spiritual and religious chants turns them off.

Spiritual Religious Chants are in fact definablle as Music. Anyway, music has been very much acceptable in the Christian Realms. Take for example the Troubadors (in the 11th, 12th and 13th Centuries). What're you smoking today?

[Nassbean]

How about this one?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1rfVJiaWpqM

6.5/10