Classify Moldavian and Romanian girls.

[Aspirin]

https://i.imgur.com/4WP2o1t.jpg

Moldavian
https://i.imgur.com/l08W9tl.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/xO8dcdK.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/IPhOrU1.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/hG2ZQil.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/1IBUWws.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/MGaWQFP.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/AXCw65Q.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/Nx40FGV.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/RgZBmVO.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/KXdw9h2.jpg

Romanian
https://i.imgur.com/cBoTd3b.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/UnVgxYR.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/CaRA96w.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/HPViV3m.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/LrmTfHB.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/qz0n8qK.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/be3Xl7D.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/qq5JMmA.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/bNFeXx4.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/Pcbu3bZ.jpg

[ixulescu]

both are gorids, common faces

[Laag]

Romanian "girl" looks like a 45-year-old woman.

[ixulescu]

Romanian "girl" looks like a 45-year-old woman.

are you're looking for a ban?

if you need to vent some steam do it off site.

[Aspirin]

Romanian "girl" looks like a 45-year-old woman.

Pretty decent looking girl, she have 25 or 26 years.

[Laag]

she have 25 or 26 years.

Hmm... Ok, but they look like mother and daughter to me.

[Columella]

Both very brachymorph
In the Gorid/Neo Danubian sense of different anthropologists.

[Davy Jones's Locker]

Agree with Columella.

[anaise]

Short and stocky Gorids.

[Laag]

Both look Moldavian. I read those Moldovans who lived on the territory of Romania were subjected to forcible Romanization by Romanian chauvinists. I think Romanian girl actually is Moldovan.

[ixulescu]

Both look Moldavian. I read those Moldovans who lived on the territory of Romania were subjected to forcible Romanization by Romanian chauvinists. I think Romanian girl actually is Moldovan.

Moldovans are Romanian. The country of Moldova was created by Romanians from Transylvania in 14th century.

read this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drago%C8%99,_Voivode_of_Moldavia

Chauvinists are the Russians who have diluted your own ethnicity to next to nothing and have attempted to do the same in Moldova, but it didn't work because Moldovans are more discerning with Russian propaganda.

[Aspirin]

Both look Moldavian. I read those Moldovans who lived on the territory of Romania were subjected to forcible Romanization by Romanian chauvinists. I think Romanian girl actually is Moldovan.

You are right, Moldavians lives from Carpathians to the Dniester river, their ethnic areal is entire territory of old Principality of Moldavia, except of these near Bug river colonised by Russians. Only difference is what these from Romania identify herself as Romanians today.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/81/Moldovans.PNG

About this girl I don't know, if she have origins from Moldova region, here surname is very rare and exist in Moldova, Banat and Wallachia (Ilfov, Ploiești). The Moldavian girl is from a village near Romanian border in Hîncești district, Central Moldova.

[Dick]

Moldovans are Romanian. The country of Moldova was created by Romanians from Transylvania in 14th century.

read this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drago%C8%99,_Voivode_of_Moldavia.

Hey that’s Cumansky’s ancestor

[ixulescu]

You are right, Moldavians lives from Carpathians to the Dniester river, their ethnic areal is entire territory of old Principality of Moldavia, except of these near Bug river colonised by Russians. Only difference is what these from Romania identify herself as Romanians today.

About this girl I don't know, if she have origins from Moldova region, here surname is very rare and exist in Moldova, Banat and Wallachia (Ilfov, Ploiești). The Moldavian girl is from a village near Romanian border in Hîncești district, Central Moldova.

Let's cut this crap - Moldovan is a regional identity, not an ethnicity.

These 2 girls have the same looks, speak the same language, have the same religion, the same culture - all because they're the same ethnicity.

[ixulescu]

Hey that’s Cumansky’s ancestor

that's right :rotfl:

[Aspirin]

Let's cut this crap - Moldovan is a regional identity, not an ethnicity.

Moldavian is an ethnicity, Romanian is more a political and artificial term, similar to mongrel terms like "Bessarabian" or "Bukovinian".


These 2 girls have the same looks, speak the same language, have the same religion, the same culture - all because they're the same ethnicity.

We don't have Gypsy Manele culture, sorry.

[ixulescu]

We don't have Gypsy Manele culture, sorry.

yeah, gopnik culture is more prevalent than gypsy culture in Moldova, but overall they're the same shit.

[ixulescu]

Moldavian is an ethnicity, Romanian is more a political and artificial term, similar to mongrel terms like "Bessarabian" or "Bukovinian".


Bukovinian is as much as an ethnicity as Moldovan, which is none at all.

Bukovianian, Bessarabian, Moldovan, Ardelean etc are regional identities, nothing less nothing more.

[Aspirin]

Bukovinian is as much as an ethnicity as Moldovan, which is none at all.

Bukovianian, Bessarabian, Moldovan, Ardelean etc are regional identities, nothing less nothing more.

Mongrel terms created to make more pseudo-identities, without any ethnic base, only Moldovan is real one. Moldova never never had regional identities.

[ixulescu]

Mongrel terms created to make more pseudo-identities, without any ethnic base, only Moldovan is real one. Moldova never never had regional identities.

Oh yes it did, multiple ones in fact. There was a mountain identity vs people living in the low lands, there were identities aligned to north-south axis. Even Bessarabia was in fact the name for present day Bugeac, and you have to thank your Russian masters for slapping it on the entire eastern half of the country.

[Aspirin]

Oh yes it did, multiple ones in fact. There was a mountain identity vs people living in the low lands, there were identities aligned to north-south axis. Even Bessarabia was in fact the name for present day Bugeac, but you have to thank your Russian masters for slapping it on the entire eastern half of the country.

So called Russian masters invented the term "Bessarabian" same as Austrian masters invented the term "Bukovinian", before NEVER existed any regional identity. The most funny thing, how Romanians use these terms and promote them, with Bukovinian one they have some succes, but since today RM is not part of Romania, this identity, "Bessarabian", is not common at all, is a umbrela term who means every one who lived in Bessarabian guberniya (Russians, Ukrainians, Moldavians, Bulgarians, Gagauz, Jews, Gypsies), never an local Moldavian used this alien term, but today is promote by our Romanian brazzers.)))))

[ixulescu]

So called Russian masters invented the term "Bessarabian" same as Austrian masters invented the term "Bukovinian", before NEVER existed any regional identity. The most funny thing, how Romanians use these terms and promote them, with Bukovinian one they have some succes, but since today RM is not part of Romania, this identity, "Bessarabian", is not common at all, is a umbrela term who means every one who lived in Bessarabian guberniya (Russians, Ukrainians, Moldavians, Bulgarians, Gagauz, Jews, Gypsies), never an local Moldavian used this alien term, but today is promote by our Romanian brazzers.)))))

A local identity in Bukovina is no different than the current "Moldovenism" in RM - both identities were manufactured by foreign powers. They are real identities, in the sense that they have adherents, but neither are ethnicities.

[Daco Celtic]

I hardly ever see this look on gals where I am in America, very unique.

[Aspirin]

A local identity in Bukovina is no different than the current "Moldovenism" in RM - both identities were manufactured by foreign powers. They are real identities, in the sense that they have adherents, but neither are ethnicities.



Însă Vlahia, acești gheografi și mai toț istoricii câț scriu de aceste țări, zicea și Moldovei, și ceștiia. Apoi o împarte în doauă: una de sus, alta de jos îi zic; le zic și mai mare și mai mică: cea de sus, adecăte și mai mare, Moldova, cea de jos și mai mică, Ţara această Muntenească numeind, cum îi zic mai mulți așa, că Rumânească numai lăcuitorii ei o chiamă, și doar unii den erdeleani, rumâni. Pentru că și aceia și ceștea numai când să întreabă ce iaste, ei răspund: rumâni. Iar moldoveanii să osebesc, de să răspund: moldovan, săvai că și ei sânt de un neam și de un rod cu ceștia, cum mai nainte mai pre larg vom arăta cu mărturiile multora.




Pentru limba noastră moldovenească

Așijderea și limba noastră din multe limbi este adunată și ne este amestecat graiul nostru cu al vecinilor de prinprejur, măcară că de la Râm ne tragem, și cu ale lor cuvinte ni-s amestecate. Cum spune și la prédosloviia létopisețului celui moldovenescu de toate pre rându: ce fiindu țara mai de apoi ca la o slobozie, de prinprejur venindu și discălicându, din limbile lor s-au amestecat a noastră: de la râmléni, céle ce zicem latină, pâine, ei zic panis, carne, ei zic caro, găină, ei zicu galena, muieria, mulier, fămeia, femina, părinte pater al nostru, noster, și altile multe din limba latinească că de ne-am socoti pre amăruntul, toate cuvintile le-am înțeleage. Așijderea și de la frânci, noi zicem cal, ei zic caval, de la greci straste, ei zic stafas, de la léși prag, ei zic prog, de la turci, m-am căsătorit, de la sârbi cracatiță și altile multe ca acéstea din toate limbile, carile nu le putem să le însemnăm toate. Și pentru aceasta să cunoaște că cum nu-i discălicată țara de oameni așăzați, așa nici legile, nici tocmeala țării pre obicée bune nu-s legate, ci toată direptatea au lăsat pre acel mai mare, ca să o judece și ce i-au părut lui, ori bine, ori rău, acéia au fost lége, de unde au luat și voie așa mare și vârf. Deci cumu-i voia domnului, le caută să le placă tuturor, ori cu folos, ori cu paguba țării, care obicéi pănă astădzi trăiește.

Grigore Ureche


:coffee:

[Tellerin]

Moldavian - British Irish
Romanian - South Europe - Middle East

[ixulescu]

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dude this is ridiculous, can't you read what this guy is saying??


Pentru că și aceia și ceștea numai când să întreabă ce iaste, ei răspund: rumâni. Iar moldoveanii să osebesc, de să răspund: moldovan, săvai că și ei sânt de un neam și de un rod cu ceștia, cum mai nainte mai pre larg vom arăta cu mărturiile multora.

So this guy, Grigore Ureche (medieval Moldovan chronicler), explicitly says in the text above that even though Moldovans call themselves Moldovans, they are the same people and have the same ancestors as Romanians, as he was going to explain in the paragraphs that followed.


Here's a quote from Miron Costin (contemporary Moldovan chronicler):

Stihuri de descălecatul țărîi
Neamul Țărîi Moldovei de unde să trăgănează?
Din țărîle Rîmului, tot omul să creadză.
Traian întîiŭ, împăratul, supuindŭ pre dahi
Dragoș apoi în moldoveni premenindŭ pre vlahi
Martor este Troianul, șanțul în țara noastră
Și Turnul Săverinului, munteni, în țara voastră.
1 Dahii și dachii tot unii sint (n.a.).
2 Moldovénii mainte de Dragoș-vodă să chema vlahi sau rumâni de la Rîm (n.a.).
3 Turnul Săverinul este în Țara Muntenească, unde au fost și pod de piatră peste Dunăre, de Traian-împăratul făcut atunce cînd au descălecat aceste 2 țări cu rîmlénii (n.a.).

Long story short, he's saying that Moldovans before prince Dragos were called Vlachs or Romanians.

Dimitrie Cantacuzino, former ruler of Moldova, was calling his subjects romano-moldo-vlahi.

All Moldovan chroniclers say exactly the same thing, that Moldovans are Romanians.

[Rumata]

Excuse my ignorance, but are Romanians Romans too?

[ixulescu]

Excuse my ignorance, but are Romanians Romans too?

Romanians have about 50% ancestry from Eastern Roman empire citizens. Romanians use the name Român for themselves, always did.

[Aspirin]

Romanians have about 50% ancestry from Eastern Roman empire citizens. Romanians use the name Român for themselves, always did.

The old meaning of Romanian is just serf (basically slave) from Wallachia, a social term wich later was promoted as ethnic term.



A generic name for serfs was șerb (from Latin servus, "slave", cognate with serf), but they also had some regional names: vecini in Moldavia (in today's language meaning "neighbour") and rumâni in Wallachia.




Romanian

Alternative forms:
rumân, rumîn (obsolete)

Etymology:
From a "re-Latinization" of an earlier form rumân or rumîn (although this form would have been mostly represented in Cyrillic at the time it was used), itself inherited from Latin rōmānus. The older form rumân also meant peasant, or a serf who worked the land (in feudal medieval Wallachia). In popular speech, it also has the meaning of a husband or man in general, but this is now archaic. Doublet of roman, a later borrowing.

[ixulescu]

The old meaning of Romanian is just serf (basically slave) from Wallachia, a social term wich later was promoted as ethnic term.

That's simply not true. Rumân was sometimes used to designate a poor peasant because often in medieval times the average peasant fell into servitude - but this was only a temporary use. There was no re-latinization, the word Rumân/Român has always been in use with the meaning Romanian. The official name of Wallachia in the Romanian language has been Țara Românească, since the formation of the state and until the Union.

[Rumata]

Romanians have about 50% ancestry from Eastern Roman empire citizens. Romanians use the name Român for themselves, always did.
Interesting. It's a shame Italians don't use this term anymore but only you and Roma people.

[ixulescu]

Interesting. It's a shame Italians don't use this term anymore but only you and Roma people.

"Roma" as in Roma people has no connection to the Romans. Roma should have never been used to designate gypsies. I also wonder why Italians agreed to this. Gypsies could have been called Dom people, Sinti etc etc

[Rumata]

"Roma" as in Roma people has no connection to the Romans. Roma should have never been used to designate gypsies. I also wonder why Italians agreed to this. Gypsies could have been called Dom people, Sinti etc etc
Really? :D But it sounds so much like they stole the ethnonim either from the Italians or from you.

Anyway, you must be the most Roman people by name now (except Gypsies). Cool :cool:

[Aspirin]

So this guy, Grigore Ureche (medieval Moldovan chronicler), explicitly says in the text above that even though Moldovans call themselves Moldovans, they are the same people and have the same ancestors as Romanians, as he was going to explain in the paragraphs that followed.


Bro, is very easy to see a person who have poor knowledge of old texts because of his laziness. This is from a Wallachian chronicle, is not Ureche, Ureche never used the term Romanian or Romanian language. From all three moldavian chroniclers only Costin loved to use these terms, but for him is not properly an ethnic term, he include here even Italians, Romanian was just an umbrella term, similar to the term Slav (which include Russians, Ukrainians, Serbs, Bulgarians). His work is full of controversies like here for example:



Multe obicéiuri într-acest neam trăiesc a italiianilor, pănă astăzi: așa de oaspeți la casile lor, nemăreți, voioși, și libovnici (nu știu din ce munténii, o samă, s-au abătut puțintel den aceasta hire), așa la petrecănii, la întrebare unul pre altul de viiață, firea, clătirea. Cine au fost la Italiia, să vază pre italiiani, să ia aminte, nu-i va trebui mai mare dovadă, să crează că un neam suntŭ cu moldovénii.




Așa și neamul acésta, de carele scriem, al țărâlor acestora, numele vechiŭ și mai direptŭ ieste rumân, adecă râmlean, de la Roma. Acest nume de la discălicatul lor de Traian, și cât au trăit pănă la pustiirea lor di pre acéste locuri și cât au trăitŭ în munți, în Maramoroș și pe Olt, tot acest nume au ținut și țin pănă astăzi și încă mai bine munténii decât moldovénii, că ei și acum zic și scriu țara sa rumânească, ca și românii cei din Ardeal.




Măcară dară că și la istorii și la graiul și streinilor și înde sine cu vréme, cu vacuri, cu primenéle au și dobândescŭ și alte numere, iară acela carile ieste vechiŭ nume stă întemeiat și înrădăcinat: rumân. Cum vedem că, măcară că ne răspundem acum moldovéni, iară nu întrebăm: știi moldovenéște?, ce știi românéște?, adecă râmlenéște, puțin nu zicem: sțis romanițe? pre limba latinească.

[ixulescu]

Really? :D But it sounds so much like they stole the ethnonim either from the Italians or from you.


Oh yeah absolutely, the name given to Roma gypsies has nothing to do with Roma, the capital of the Roman empire.

Rom is an 19th century English bastardization of "dom" which means man/human in the "Romani" language. Most Roma gypsies have found out they're called as such late in the 1990s.

Rom a stupid replacement for gypsy. If the PC brigade didn't like the word "gypsy", then they should have adopted a name that doesn't cause confusion. Dom would have been a much more appropriate.

[Rumata]

Oh yeah absolutely, the name given to Roma gypsies has nothing to do with Roma, the capital of the Roman empire.

Rom is an 19th century English bastardization of "dom" which means man/human in the "Romani" language. Most Roma gypsies have found out they're called as such late in the 1990s.

Rom a stupid replacement for gypsy. If the PC brigade didn't like the word "gypsy", then they should have adopted a name that doesn't cause confusion. Dom would have been a much more appropriate.

But Gypsies call themselves "Romale" or "Domale" - something like that. Listened to this word here:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?reload=9&v=WQctE5hYEeI&t=50

[ixulescu]

But Gypsies call themselves "Romale" or "Domale" - something like that. Listened to this word here:


yes the word exists, but it doesn't designate an ethnicity - it just mean people.

[ixulescu]

btw, the word dom is very close to om (Romanian) or homme (French), all with the same meaning, showing the indoeuropean roots of the gypsy language (though it closer to Hindi/Urdu than the European ones).