Wusun and Saka Tigraxauda man from Tian Shan (K13)

[porpozontokonto]

Wusun man from Turgen valley, Kazakhstan. Between the Lake Balkhash and Lake Issyk. Lived appx. 2100 years ago.

Y-DNA: R1a-Z93*
mtDNA: J1c5a
Kit Number: Z698544

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Tadjik @ 20.534317
2 Tabassaran @ 22.109753
3 Nogay @ 23.389004
4 Chechen @ 24.650002
5 Lezgin @ 25.197294
6 Afghan_Tadjik @ 26.138397
7 Afghan_Pashtun @ 26.389383
8 Kabardin @ 26.560652
9 Tatar @ 27.388962
10 Kumyk @ 28.198458
11 Balkar @ 29.258121
12 Afghan_Turkmen @ 29.357445
13 North_Ossetian @ 29.912035
14 Adygei @ 30.520548
15 Turkmen @ 30.729300
16 Ossetian @ 31.924843
17 Aghan_Hazara @ 32.462765
18 Uzbeki @ 32.554199
19 Kalash @ 33.687519
20 Chuvash @ 34.205887

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Brahui +50% Finnish @ 11.428623


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Balochi +25% Chuvash +25% Southwest_Finnish @ 10.374486


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
1 Balochi + Mari + North_Swedish + Tabassaran @ 9.279501
2 Brahui + Mari + North_Swedish + Tabassaran @ 9.310576
3 Brahui + Chuvash + North_Swedish + Tabassaran @ 9.407931
4 Balochi + Chuvash + North_Swedish + Tabassaran @ 9.411278
5 Balochi + Mari + Swedish + Tabassaran @ 9.430699
6 Brahui + Mari + Swedish + Tabassaran @ 9.465956
7 Brahui + Chuvash + Southwest_Finnish + Tabassaran @ 9.485256
8 Balochi + Chuvash + Southwest_Finnish + Tabassaran @ 9.488160
9 Balochi + Mari + Southwest_Finnish + Tabassaran @ 9.488475
10 Balochi + Chuvash + Finnish + Tabassaran @ 9.510956
11 Brahui + Chuvash + Finnish + Tabassaran @ 9.517447
12 Brahui + Mari + Southwest_Finnish + Tabassaran @ 9.518965
13 Balochi + Finnish + Tabassaran + Tatar @ 9.560373
14 Balochi + Finnish + Mari + Tabassaran @ 9.596533
15 Balochi + East_Finnish + Tabassaran + Tatar @ 9.599874
16 Brahui + Finnish + Tabassaran + Tatar @ 9.605467
17 Brahui + Finnish + Mari + Tabassaran @ 9.632235
18 Balochi + Lezgin + Mari + North_Swedish @ 9.655356
19 Brahui + East_Finnish + Tabassaran + Tatar @ 9.662741
20 Balochi + Mari + Norwegian + Tabassaran @ 9.706995

K13;
https://i.imgur.com/L0UF9PB.png

Distance to modern populations;
https://i.imgur.com/bUQtLyg.png

Distance to ancient populations;
https://i.imgur.com/8ecpfig.png

Saka Tigraxauda man from around the same area. Lived appx. 2000 years ago.

Y-DNA: Q1a2a1c>YP771>BZ180
mtDNA: C4
Kit Number: Z232502

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Tatar @ 18.569313
2 Chuvash @ 25.700705
3 Nogay @ 25.871092
4 Tadjik @ 26.801149
5 Moldavian @ 28.127169
6 Afghan_Turkmen @ 28.473642
7 Mari @ 29.273777
8 Croatian @ 30.059902
9 Ukrainian_Lviv @ 30.128029
10 Hungarian @ 30.229614
11 Tabassaran @ 30.346703
12 Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 30.668161
13 Erzya @ 30.668636
14 Kargopol_Russian @ 30.763260
15 South_Polish @ 31.432499
16 Serbian @ 31.532618
17 Southwest_Russian @ 31.620188
18 Afghan_Tadjik @ 31.631468
19 Ukrainian @ 31.696968
20 Uzbeki @ 31.953394

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% East_Finnish +50% Tadjik @ 10.683182


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Chuvash +25% Makrani +25% Norwegian @ 10.040172


Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++
1 Mari + Southwest_Finnish + Tabassaran + Tadjik @ 7.982978
2 Mari + North_Swedish + Tabassaran + Tadjik @ 8.021928
3 Finnish + Mari + Tabassaran + Tadjik @ 8.093772
4 Afghan_Pashtun + Mari + Southwest_Finnish + Tabassaran @ 8.140472
5 Afghan_Pashtun + Mari + North_Swedish + Tabassaran @ 8.175510
6 Kalash + Mari + North_Swedish + Tabassaran @ 8.262002
7 Afghan_Pashtun + Finnish + Mari + Tabassaran @ 8.271632
8 Kalash + Mari + Southwest_Finnish + Tabassaran @ 8.340873
9 Chuvash + Southwest_Finnish + Tabassaran + Tadjik @ 8.472959
10 Chuvash + Finnish + Tabassaran + Tadjik @ 8.491358
11 East_Finnish + Mari + Tabassaran + Tadjik @ 8.497266
12 Estonian + Mari + Tabassaran + Tadjik @ 8.514176
13 Mari + Swedish + Tabassaran + Tadjik @ 8.539401
14 Finnish + Kalash + Mari + Tabassaran @ 8.581140
15 Chuvash + North_Swedish + Tabassaran + Tadjik @ 8.654253
16 Afghan_Pashtun + East_Finnish + Mari + Tabassaran @ 8.682610
17 Chuvash + East_Finnish + Tabassaran + Tadjik @ 8.716949
18 Kalash + Lezgin + Mari + North_Swedish @ 8.725673
19 Lezgin + Mari + North_Swedish + Tadjik @ 8.726777
20 Chechen + Kalash + Mari + North_Swedish @ 8.726948

K13;
https://i.imgur.com/yUcu0FX.png

Distance to modern populations;
https://i.imgur.com/YGZ16K4.png

Distance to ancient populations;
https://i.imgur.com/mrcm6Du.png

[dududud]

High baltic

[Kaspias]

Good thread

[andre]

Wusun sample it’s so interesting! But it’s a little bit strange. I don’t understand if he’s “mongoloid” admixture or not.
He looks so different in comparison with tajik, and I don’t undestrand why, basically in this area peoples were all iranic type admix with mongolic type.

[SharpFork]

Wusun sample it’s so interesting! But it’s a little bit strange. I don’t understand if he’s “mongoloid” admixture or not.
He looks so different in comparison with tajik, and I don’t undestrand why, basically in this area peoples were all iranic type admix with mongolic type.
Maybe too much Caucasian and Northern European admixture in comparison to modern Tajiks that have ancient Central Asian and ancient Iranian admixture and more South Asian-like admixture?

[andre]

Maybe too much Caucasian and Northern European admixture in comparison to modern Tajiks that have ancient Central Asian and ancient Iranian admixture and more South Asian-like admixture?

Yes, could be, but; how can the caucasian tribes admix with a central asian population?

[Kyp]

Wusun sample it’s so interesting! But it’s a little bit strange. I don’t understand if he’s “mongoloid” admixture or not.
He looks so different in comparison with tajik, and I don’t undestrand why, basically in this area peoples were all iranic type admix with mongolic type.

Not much. Only 8%Siberian and 0%East_Asian. Looks completely East Iranic.

[Kyp]

Why so high Siberian but no East Asian? I'm starting to think Proto-Turks were more East_Asian than Siberian. Turks today are evenly East_Asian/Siberian but Siberian seems to be prevalent in Central Asia way before Turks.

[SharpFork]

Why so high Siberian but no East Asian? I'm starting to think Proto-Turks were more East_Asian than Siberian. Turks today are evenly East_Asian/Siberian but Siberian seems to be prevalent in Central Asia way before Turks.

What even is the difference between the 2? Like where do they come from exactly? Does it come necessarily from Han Chinese?

[Sora]

Why so high Siberian but no East Asian? I'm starting to think Proto-Turks were more East_Asian than Siberian. Turks today are evenly East_Asian/Siberian but Siberian seems to be prevalent in Central Asia way before Turks.

I don't know why but it may be probably because of

1) Uralic admix
2) Calculator error. Because at some calculators, there are some East Asian also

[xripkan]

His haplo is R1-Z93 basal?

[axlredneck]

His haplo is R1-Z93 basal?

R-Y39884 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-Y39884/)
id:ERS2374306 - Central Steppe Hun
id:ERS2374410 - Wusun
id:YF01991 - Tatar (Azizov)

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