Do you think mytrueancestry is real or delusion?

[Mortimer]

It sounds so unreal or delusion that they match you with ancient populations. I always looked up to the romans, and once when I was in venize in Italy I called the austrians/germanics as barbarians because the Romans said that too. Of course Im not a roman or italian but I wanted to come back at them for always being the foreign shitty guy. It was wrong, but still. I enjoyed latin classes, and such. Now it turns out Im Roman and Byzantine (probably also eastern roman or greek-roman mix) because before I was roman+scythian and hellenic roman+scythian now Im byzantine+scythian. It sounds so unreal how can someone in 21st century be still a roman?

https://i.postimg.cc/BQQ80rC9/Mytruenacestryancient.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/2yTVWGrK/Mytrueancestrymodern.jpg

[tipirneni]

They are doing good job trying to match ancient genome to modern people

[JamesBond007]

They are doing good job trying to match ancient genome to modern people

This dude is stupid he only has a 85 IQ. Humans have not changed much since the Stone Age and his genetic distance is 14.2 which is not very close; 5 and below is close. Plus his PCA plot has him relatively close to Gypsy but says he is not pure Gypsy.

[PaleoEuropean]

It sounds so unreal or delusion that they match you with ancient populations. I always looked up to the romans, and once when I was in venize in Italy I called the austrians/germanics as barbarians because the Romans said that too. Of course Im not a roman or italian but I wanted to come back at them for always being the foreign shitty guy. It was wrong, but still. I enjoyed latin classes, and such. Now it turns out Im Roman and Byzantine (probably also eastern roman or greek-roman mix) because before I was roman+scythian and hellenic roman+scythian now Im byzantine+scythian. It sounds so unreal how can someone in 21st century be still a roman?

https://i.postimg.cc/BQQ80rC9/Mytruenacestryancient.jpg

https://i.postimg.cc/2yTVWGrK/Mytrueancestrymodern.jpg

Your distance is 14 which is pretty far, I doubt you would get an accurate reading from MTA

[Mortimer]

This dude is stupid he only has a 85 IQ. Humans have not changed much since the Stone Age and his genetic distance is 14.2 which is not very close. 5 and below is close. Plus his PCA plot has him relatively close to Gypsy but says he is not pure Gypsy.

On modern populations Im closer to Greek, Macedonian and Romanian then to Gypsy, But closer to Gypsy then to Serbian and Bosnian.

[tipirneni]

This dude is stupid he only has a 85 IQ. Humans have not changed much since the Stone Age and his genetic distance is 14.2 which is not very close; 5 and below is close. Plus his PCA plot has him relatively close to Gypsy but says he is not pure Gypsy.

Bro, go to India, I will arrange truck load of Mensa level IQ students with all kinds of resemblances to Scots of different clans.

[JamesBond007]

Bro, go to India, I will arrange truck load of Mensa level IQ students with all kinds of resemblances to Scots of different clans.

I did call you stupid I was talking about Mortimer.

[Mortimer]

Your distance is 14 which is pretty far, I doubt you would get an accurate reading from MTA

info says something else. 10 is your ancient ancestry and 20 is your ancestral link im 14 that means it is rather my ancient ancestry but definitely part of my ancestral link

Genetic distance measures how close you are to a given sample.
10 means this is your ancient ancestry
20 means this is part of your ancestral link
30 means possibly related to your ancestry

[JamesBond007]

info says something else. 10 is your ancient ancestry and 20 is your ancestral link im 14 that means it is rather my ancient ancestry but definitely part of my ancestral link

Genetic distance measures how close you are to a given sample.
10 means this is your ancient ancestry
20 means this is part of your ancestral link
30 means possibly related to your ancestry

Yeah, 5 and below is really close and 10 is your ancestry so at 14 it is part of your ancestral link more or less but is not your direct ancestry per se.

For instance, I get below 5 for celt+ Viking , celt + saxon and Saxon.

[Mortimer]

I did call you stupid I was talking about Mortimer.

I think it was even 84 points, one point above learning defizit. which was 83. it is very low average. maybe average for gypsies and negroes.

[Mortimer]

Yeah, 5 and below is really close and 10 is your ancestry so at 14 it is part of your ancestral link but is not your direct ancestry.

For instance, I get below 5 for celt+ Viking and celt + saxo. and Saxon.

but im closer to 10 then to 20 though. but yes.

[Adamastor]

This dude is stupid he only has a 85 IQ. Humans have not changed much since the Stone Age and his genetic distance is 14.2 which is not very close; 5 and below is close. Plus his PCA plot has him relatively close to Gypsy but says he is not pure Gypsy.

Only Northwestern Europeans have distances below 5 in this company. If he is at 14.2, he is not really very far from his supposed ancient ancestry.

[Token]

MyTrueFantasy is a scam. Their matches are completely fantasious, you can't share IBD with ancient people.

[Adamastor]

MyTrueFantasy is a scam. Their matches are completely fantasious, you can't share IBD with ancient people.

MyTrueAncestry is a poor version of G25.

[JamesBond007]

Only Northwestern Europeans have distances below 5 in this company. If he is at 14.2, he is not really very far from his supposed ancient ancestry.

At 14 you might as well round it up to 15. I have no idea what scale they are using but the average Fst distance to any random population is 15 which makes their scale confusing.

[JamesBond007]

MyTrueFantasy is a scam. Their matches are completely fantasious, you can't share IBD with ancient people.

You are a pseudo-scholar. The fact is humans have not changed much since the Stone age.

[Coastal Elite]

Your distance is 14 which is pretty far, I doubt you would get an accurate reading from MTA

Agreed. When the distance is more than 10 it means they don't have a sample population that accurately reflects the person.

[Token]

MyTrueAncestry is a poor version of G25.
More like a fantasious version of GEDmatch. They picked some GEDmatch calculator, added a lot more samples, labelled them with appealing names and made a fake IBD system to make idiots think they are special.

[Adamastor]

More like a fantasious version of GEDmatch. They picked some GEDmatch calculator, added a lot more samples, labelled them with appealing names and made a fake IBD system to make idiots think they are special.

I agree that their IBD system is pathetic, but the oracles with ancient populations are actually ok, no? Especially if you have a distance lower than 10.

[Mortimer]

At 14 you might as well round it up to 15. I have no idea what scale they are using but the average Fst distance to any random population is 15 which makes their scale confusing.

I doubt I would be 14.2 to any population or to all populations. Lets say saxon + viking I doubt I would have the same fst. I dont think so.

[Token]

You are a pseudo-scholar. The fact is humans have not changed much since the Stone age.
A terrible event occured in Europe after Stone Age.

[Mortimer]

Can you model me with ancient populations can you model me if i give you my g25 coordinates? thanks maybe i get lower distances on that

Here you go...

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Svetozar_scaled,0.101303,0.088351,-0.014331,0.017765,0.007386,0.006693,0.001175,0.004 154,0.003068,0.01221,-0.003735,0.002248,-0.001041,0.00578,-0.012758,0.009016,0.018515,0.004181,0.005908,-0.002001,0.004367,-0.000371,0.00456,-0.000482,-0.005748

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Svetozar,0.0089,0.0087,-0.0038,0.0055,0.0024,0.0024,0.0005,0.0018,0.0015,0 .0067,-0.0023,0.0015,-0.0007,0.0042,-0.0094,0.0068,0.0142,0.0033,0.0047,-0.0016,0.0035,-0.0003,0.0037,-0.0004,-0.0048

[1] "distance%=2.4501"

Svetozar_scaled

Barcin_N,39.2
Yamnaya_Samara,27
Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA3,16
Armenia_EBA,7.6
WHG,5.2
Han,2.4
Tepecik_Ciftlik_N,1.6
Levant_N,0.6
Ganj_Dareh_N,0.4

[Token]

I agree that their IBD system is pathetic, but the oracles with ancient populations are actually ok, no? Especially if you have a distance lower than 10.

Their oracle is fine, the problem is how they labelled the samples. Merovingian, Gaulish, Frankish,Thracian etc. samples don't exist.

[Adamastor]

Can you model me with ancient populations can you model me if i give you my g25 coordinates? thanks maybe i get lower distances on that

Here you go...

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Svetozar_scaled,0.101303,0.088351,-0.014331,0.017765,0.007386,0.006693,0.001175,0.004 154,0.003068,0.01221,-0.003735,0.002248,-0.001041,0.00578,-0.012758,0.009016,0.018515,0.004181,0.005908,-0.002001,0.004367,-0.000371,0.00456,-0.000482,-0.005748

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Svetozar,0.0089,0.0087,-0.0038,0.0055,0.0024,0.0024,0.0005,0.0018,0.0015,0 .0067,-0.0023,0.0015,-0.0007,0.0042,-0.0094,0.0068,0.0142,0.0033,0.0047,-0.0016,0.0035,-0.0003,0.0037,-0.0004,-0.0048

[1] "distance%=2.4501"

Svetozar_scaled

Barcin_N,39.2
Yamnaya_Samara,27
Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA3,16
Armenia_EBA,7.6
WHG,5.2
Han,2.4
Tepecik_Ciftlik_N,1.6
Levant_N,0.6
Ganj_Dareh_N,0.4

You are more Indo-European than many Europeans. :laugh:

[Mortimer]

You are more Indo-European than many Europeans. :laugh:

Can you model me with romans, greeks, slavs and add west and southasian and arab populations I guess with that combo of all I would get low distances. Mytrueancestry has no indian or pakistani samples.

[Tauromachos]

You are more Indo-European than many Europeans. :laugh:

High Yamnaya :)

[happycow]

My true ancestry

Totally https://i.imgur.com/9UlqhN1.png

[Chaos One]

Like I said, their approach to samples to make this mix only works with people who are, at some degree, close genetically to their samples.

Guys like you and me will never get something close to 5 because it should be a mix of different groups, which is not he way they work at all (like a 4-Way Oracle). It's fine if you pay to see how cMs you are to their samples, just this.

(And of course I get closer to Romans because I'm more Italian than anything else, but still at 16 range).

[Matty74]

You are a pseudo-scholar. The fact is humans have not changed much since the Stone age.

Not quite true. The basic physiology of humans hasn't changed much, but we're much more diverse genetically than we were during the Stone Age, especially people of European and New World origins.

Here's a little something for you to read:

https://www.wsj.com/articles/98-6-degrees-fahrenheit-isnt-the-average-any-more-11579257001

[Leto]

It is bogus and I'm not going to bother with it.

[Adamm]

I appreciate their service but now they give ppl the illusion to WeWuzz while it's much more complicated than mytrueancestry results. I'm still very highly skeptical about the 'matching' with ancient genomes.

[Bosniensis]

It's cool. for fun.

I think matching with ancient samples are Ok..

Their identification of samples are dubious to say at least.

But we can't judge them, they don't posses ancient knowledge neither do we....

I think MTA is fine service mix of truth and fun (lies)

[porpozontokonto]

I think it's redundant when there are much better options out there. It gets more complicated than what they are simplifying. And for this i think it's best suited for people who are not into genetics.

[TheMaestro]

It's 100% certified bullshit and paying for it is jk of year.

[Adamg]

MyTrueAncestry is a poor version of G25.

very poor

[vbnetkhio]

MyTrueFantasy is a scam. Their matches are completely fantasious, you can't share IBD with ancient people.

what do you think about this? (1-3 cM, ancient ibd sharing)
https://i.imgur.com/FuMsVek.png

shouldn't that also be shared between modern people and ancient samples?

https://bmcgenet.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12863-017-0578-3

[Lucas]

what do you think about this? (1-3 cM, ancient ibd sharing)
https://i.imgur.com/FuMsVek.png

shouldn't that also be shared between modern people and ancient samples?

https://bmcgenet.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12863-017-0578-3

You answered yourself. 1-3 cM in serious study abd 50-150 cM in MTA.

[Rocinante]

MyTrueAncestry is a poor version of G25.

His distances are very far, I'm not northern european and i have distances below 5.

[Adamastor]

His distances are very far, I'm not northern european and i have distances below 5.

Same for me.
But looking at the results of members here many people have distances in the 10s and they are not mixed.

[Rocinante]

Same for me.
But looking at the results of members here many people have distances in the 10s and they are not mixed.

My first match it's the mix of Gauls and hispano Romans, it's below 4. We all are mixed, but if you have heavy non-european or caucasoid ancestry, of course this tool won't work well with you, it's the case of Mortimer.