Living DNA Update

[Grace O'Malley]

Has anyone got an update? The update is a lot more accurate for myself. This seems to have bypassed this forum. :)

[SUPREEEEEME]

I'm still waiting for an email.

[MagnusDark]

Still waiting for an email.

[RyoHazuki]

Not at all, mine still tell me nothing other than I'm "European", lol. Do I gotta pay to see something less broad?
https://i.imgur.com/jtOAdja.jpg

[Coastal Elite]

May I ask if the site requires a payment for detailed results? I did a free version that was very vague and inaccurate.

[Grace O'Malley]

I'll start off by posting my update and my old results.

https://i.imgur.com/8L2x22Y.png

This is the old results. Quite a difference.

https://i.imgur.com/YL35eRr.png

https://i.imgur.com/MZTH2nv.png

[J. Ketch]

Not me. Still only 8.3% Irish according to LDNA. Got my result in 2017.

[Grace O'Malley]

May I ask if the site requires a payment for detailed results? I did a free version that was very vague and inaccurate.

I sent in a sample. They will give you notification if you can update your results.

[Grace O'Malley]

Brother's update.

https://i.imgur.com/yfFzHiN.png

His old result.

https://i.imgur.com/7AQZmt7.png

Post your updated results. I think it is pretty impressive.

[Grace O'Malley]

Not me. Still only 8.3% Irish according to LDNA. Got my result in 2017.

Everyone will get an update. Will be interesting in seeing what you get.

[jalapeno]

Everyone will get an update. Will be interesting in seeing what you get.
but u need to have at least 10%+ European admixture to get the update correct??

[SUPREEEEEME]

but u need to have at least 10%+ European admixture to get the update correct??

Yes

[Adamm]

Is this only for people who have paid for it?

[SUPREEEEEME]

Is this only for people who have paid for it?

Yes, if you:
- Purchased a kit, or
- Uploaded, but paid for sub-regional breakdown

[RandomGuy20]

Waiting for an email as well.

[talombo]

Updated results from a kit (Sirius chip)

https://i.imgur.com/IsHsUHG.jpg

[Maintenance]

been in testing phase since 11/08/2019 xD

[Rocinante]

I uploaded when it was announced, so i got the free ancestry breadown, I don't need to purchase it, but I don't know if I'm getting an update. Who's in the same position as me?

[MagnusDark]

Lol idk if I would call it more accurate now. The English & Wales, Scandinavian, Iberian, Italian and East Europe all fell off. Now it feels like a FTDNA result. Very general/generic. They also got rid of ancestry through time.

https://i.postimg.cc/L4Q3TGmK/20200202-090112.jpg

[Albannach]

I stupidly ended up uploading my Ancestry raw data to Living DNA and paying to see my subregion breakdown, am I likely to receive the update?

I hope so as the current estimate leaves a lot to be desired to be honest, it's actually quite ridiculous in its inaccuracy.

Old result.
https://i.imgur.com/AlBLquE.png

[gixajo]

Not at all, mine still tell me nothing other than I'm "European", lol. Do I gotta pay to see something less broad?
https://i.imgur.com/jtOAdja.jpg

Yes, you must pay if you want to see more detailed results.

[Art23]

No email, no update for me. I should expect no changes from 100% Eastern European, I suppose. :bored:

[Art23]

I'll start off by posting my update and my old results.


You are just Irish.

:)

[J. Ketch]

Pretty good for me, as I expected.

Old results (lower confidence)
https://i.postimg.cc/C1vcLfj8/livingdna3.jpg
https://i.postimg.cc/mgbVMw89/livingdna3a.jpg
Higher confidence
https://i.postimg.cc/2yGhQDwr/livingdna6.jpg

New results
https://i.postimg.cc/0Nww8gtB/Opera-Snapshot-2020-02-03-055038-my-livingdna-com.png

I have no ancestry from Southern England though. The old broad results were better for my English side.

[RyoHazuki]

Yes, you must pay if you want to see more detailed results.

Free upload is kinda pointless then, its so uselessly broad its funny.

[gixajo]

Free upload is kinda pointless then, its so uselessly broad its funny.

It´s a good commercial bait, they first feed your curiosity showing vague data and then...if you want more, pay us.

[Dick]

I did the actual saliva test in 2017. Well this is pretty boring update but at least I'm 100% European


https://i.imgur.com/NLn5Ven.jpg

[Dick]

Lol idk if I would call it more accurate now. The English & Wales, Scandinavian, Iberian, Italian and East Europe all fell off. Now it feels like a FTDNA result. Very general/generic. They also got rid of ancestry through time.

https://i.postimg.cc/L4Q3TGmK/20200202-090112.jpg

Looks accurate for you. I've always said albanians are just hillbilly Greeks anyway.

[Mortimer]

https://i.postimg.cc/HL9KfJKr/Screenshot-20200203-110818-com-android-chrome.jpg

[Mortimer]

https://i.postimg.cc/6qtCF3kp/Screenshot-20200203-110609-com-android-chrome.jpg

[RandomGuy20]

Kinda weird.

https://i.imgur.com/T8qvBcI.png

I think they are getting my Germanic-Slavic mix confused with their Northeast Germanic area lol.
23 and me still the most accurate for me.

[gixajo]

No news.

https://i.postimg.cc/8kf8r7vm/livdna.jpg (https://postimages.org/)img image hosting (https://postimages.org/)

All it´s ok, but I don´t understand that % from Caucasus.

[Vid Flumina]

Not too shabby. France needs to be broken into multiple subregions though, like Central vs Northern Italy:

https://i.imgur.com/BLPHHn3.png

[Pedro Ruben]

https://i.imgur.com/KOuqhEr.jpg

[gixajo]

https://i.imgur.com/KOuqhEr.jpg

Why do you consider yourself as a basque?

Curiosity, not critique.

[Pedro Ruben]

Why do you consider yourself as a basque?

Curiosity, not critique.

No ... even being from the north of the peninsula, the "Basque" values ​​are usually always low. Are you Basque?

[gixajo]

No ... even being from the north of the peninsula, the "Basque" values ​​are usually always low. Are you Basque?

I was born in the Basque Country and I lived always in the Basque Country, all my maternal family is from Basque Country, but from Álava, who is considered "less Basque", my paternal family is also from Spain, but not from Basque Country.

Depending where I found more or less basque values in my results and estimations. i don´t know which exactly could be more reliable. Do you know it?

[gixajo]

No ... even being from the north of the peninsula, the "Basque" values ​​are usually always low. Are you Basque?

And well, you can see LivingDna gives me 22,6% Basque.

[Pedro Ruben]

I was born in the Basque Country and I lived always in the Basque Country, all my maternal family is from Basque Country, but from Álava, who is considered "less Basque", my paternal family is also from Spain, but not from Basque Country.

Depending where I found more or less basque values in my results and estimations. i don´t know which exactly could be more reliable. Do you know it?

I don't know much about this subject... but for example on Myheritage, Basques are usually almost 100% Iberian ... so in this company I suppose the Basque component is Iberian. Then there are calculators for example that separate by regions / countries within the peninsula, for example Portugal, Andalusia etc., which generally have other mixtures with origins outside the peninsula that the Basques generally do not have

[gixajo]

I don't know much about this subject... but for example on Myheritage, Basques are usually almost 100% Iberian ... so in this company I suppose the Basque component is Iberian. Then there are calculators for example that separate by regions / countries within the peninsula, for example Portugal, Andalusia etc., which generally have other mixtures with origins outside the peninsula that the Basques generally do not have

I know.

MyHeritage gave me 95,2% Iberian and 4,8 Northwestern European, and the brother of my paternal grandmother has 95,8% Iberian and he was from Andalucía.

[Rocinante]

Getting an update soon, i think tomorrow it will be done.

[Kaspias]

Posting my results to compare later with new results

https://i.ibb.co/q1qH9T3/EUROP.png
https://i.ibb.co/BL0v9XN/EUR2.png

[andre]

Old results
95143

[MagnusDark]

Looks accurate for you. I've always said albanians are just hillbilly Greeks anyway.

It is accurate in a generic sense. However, they have been promising regionalization for the Balkans since 2017. While things like Scandinavian, Italian and Welsh falling off makes sense, West Balkan falling off does not.

Whilst a heavily Slavic admixed component, for some reason northwest Albania was included(with parts of Kosova) into West Balkan, and north-east Albania included in East Balkan. With Central, South Albania part of Aegean.

Whilst some of it is washed out by now, my moms great great grandmother was Albanian-Montenegrin. So, 7.5% West Balkan made sense cause I figured it was factoring in some ancestry through Montenegro.

[Ljubic]

Posting my results to compare later with new results

https://i.ibb.co/q1qH9T3/EUROP.png
https://i.ibb.co/BL0v9XN/EUR2.png

22% Germanic, oh god.

[Pedro Ruben]

I know.

MyHeritage gave me 95,2% Iberian and 4,8 Northwestern European, and the brother of my paternal grandmother has 95,8% Iberian and he was from Andalucía.

Right. I think you are genetically Basque. Eastern Andalusia is also similar in that it has been repopulated with people especially from the Basque area. The most mixed areas in Iberia are Galicia, Portugal, Extremadura and western Andalusia. These admixtures can be from the northern Europe, eastern Mediterranean, north Africa etc. etc. Myheritage gave me: Iberian 59.50% - English 16.60% - North African 7.60% - Italian 6.90% - Irish, Scottish, and Welsh 5.50% - Nigerian 2.40% - Middle Eastern 1.50% (North Portugal)

[Rocinante]

Updated:

West Iberia 42.4%
South Italy 40%
Scotland and Ireland 13.8%
Arabia 2.1%
North Africa 1.7%

[SUPREEEEEME]

Updated:
Europe 74.4%
- South Italy 32.8%
- Cyprus 21.4%
- Basque 3.2%
- Northeast Europe 17%

Near East 23.9%
- Levant 20.1%
- Arabia 3.7%

Africa 1.7%
- North Africa 1.7%

[Lucas]

Brother's update.

https://i.imgur.com/yfFzHiN.png



Post your updated results. I think it is pretty impressive.

Pretty inaccurate borders for NW Germanic region. It encompass Thuringen and most of Sachsen??? So it has a Slavic admixture.
I want to know what was the reason for such division.

Also south Dutch area is more similar to Belgium than Friesland for example.

[JosephK]

That was useless. I'm still 38% English and 1.6% Kurdish.

[Kaspias]

22% Germanic, oh god.

Lol

Updated:
https://i.ibb.co/hYhf2fW/lel.png

[Rocinante]

Lol

Updated:
https://i.ibb.co/hYhf2fW/lel.png

Nice, they are more accurate for you, based in your oracles.

[Mortimer]

Update

https://scontent-vie1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/s960x960/84259344_1507700409381228_3002841842585698304_o.jp g?_nc_cat=107&_nc_ohc=4h366Pk8m5AAX94qiB6&_nc_ht=scontent-vie1-1.xx&oh=bee294d05ccc71da0a9c98cf0b589528&oe=5EC09E3E

[Cumansky]

Update in progress..

[Ljubic]

Even though they have teased me with detailed German maps before the updating process, im still part scottish to them.

https://i.imgur.com/EvNOcD2.jpg

[Dick]

Even though they have teased me with detailed German maps before the updating process, im still part scottish to them.



Mine is similar to yours except they gave me Finland+Estonia and 100% East European

[andre]

For me it’s nice

Europa

100%

Europa (est)
100%

Balcani orientali
94,8%

Europa nord-orientale
5,1%

[JosephK]

Oh, OK, so now I'm 26.9% Great Britain and Ireland and 9.8% West Iberian. Not Kurdish anymore.

[Cumansky]

Europe (East)
97%

Europe (South)
3%

[asuvis]

Grandfathers, 7.7% west Balkan confuses me.

https://imgur.com/a/5afcigT

[Benyzero]

https://i.imgur.com/JQLcfP4.png

[Benyzero]

Much more accurate than before (In comparison to my 23andme too)

[TheMaestro]

q

Nibber results.

[Benyzero]

Nibber results.

Yeaaay

[Ljubic]

I didnt think they'd update upload results. My fathers new results are pretty solid for someone 75% Bosnian and 25% Serbian from Serbia proper.

https://i.imgur.com/eR3Oo2h.png

I cant access his initial results but they were absoulte trash.

I kinda start to like Living DNA and I hope they continue to update their service.

[asuvis]

I didnt think they'd update upload results. My fathers new results are pretty solid for someone 75% Bosnian and 25% Serbian.

I cant access his initial results but they were absoulte trash.

I kinda start to like Living DNA and I hope they continue to update their service.

Yes the results are much better. Is Macedonia included in West Balkan?

[Ljubic]

Yes the results are much better. Is Macedonia included in West Balkan?

I think it does belong to East Balkan. West Balkan includes Slovenia, Croatia and Bosnia.

[Thracian]

https://i.ibb.co/xCfx0sV/LDNA2.png

I used to have 4.6% N. Turkey + 2.2% South Turkey and now 23.1%. I don't have Iran (4.6%), Kurdish (1.4%) and Central Asia (1.7%) -it was Northwest Caucasus btw-.

Tuscany went down to 12.3% from 23.2%.

Aegean went up to 18.7% from 0%. It seems my Balkan component divided. I had 53.45 East Balkans and now just 15.1%.

I had only 8.7% Finland and Western Russia and now 30.8% Northeast Europe.

[Not a Cop]

Generally not very bad, but from 15.2% "pure germanic" it went to 39% of Germano-Balto-Slavic which is far from being true.

https://i.imgur.com/QuMU0Xm.png

[Rocinante]

Even though they have teased me with detailed German maps before the updating process, im still part scottish to them.

https://i.imgur.com/EvNOcD2.jpg

They're good detecting any british ancestry, so maybe you are 4.1% Ulster Scot indeed.

[Grace O'Malley]

They're good detecting any british ancestry, so maybe you are 4.1% Ulster Scot indeed.

No that would be Southwest Scotland and Northern Ireland. They use Scotland and Ireland or England and Wales when they can't really pinpoint an area well. A lot of people that get those categories are often confused when they get those more generic categories because they don't have a papertrail to either Ireland or Britain. These tests while much improved for a lot of people are not going to be 100% accurate.

These are my daughter's updated results.

https://i.imgur.com/DSz5qKA.png

Her old results

https://i.imgur.com/4OjHTNe.png
https://i.imgur.com/20Cm42b.png

[Rocinante]

No that would be Southwest Scotland and Northern Ireland. They use Scotland and Ireland or England and Wales when they can't really pinpoint an area well. A lot of people that get those categories are often confused when they get those more generic categories because they don't have a papertrail to either Ireland or Britain. These tests while much improved for a lot of people are not going to be 100% accurate.

These are my daughter's updated results.

https://i.imgur.com/DSz5qKA.png

Her old results

https://i.imgur.com/4OjHTNe.png
https://i.imgur.com/20Cm42b.png

I know, if you don't get a specific region you may be part of a very old irish diaspora. Look for example myself, i got 13,8% irish, I don't know any irish great-grandfather or great grandmother but it can't be just noise. Could be confused North european ancestry too.

[Grace O'Malley]

I know, if you don't get a specific region you may be part of a very old irish diaspora. Look for example myself, i got 13,8% irish, I don't know any irish great-grandfather or great grandmother but it can't be just noise. Could be confused North european ancestry too.

I think if you don't have a papertrail it likely inaccurate unless an NPE or something like that. Lots of people getting things like Tuscany when they have no known ancestry from there. I think your result was also Ireland and Scotland which seems to be a bit of a catchall category I've noticed. I said it's most likely not good population sampling for certain areas. When they update down the track some of these areas will disappear for people.

I'm now looking forward to FTDNA update and also MyHeritage hopefully should update their results because I know they've done a lot of work in the background.

[Rocinante]

I think if you don't have a papertrail it likely inaccurate unless an NPE or something like that. Lots of people getting things like Tuscany when they have no known ancestry from there. I think your result was also Ireland and Scotland which seems to be a bit of a catchall category I've noticed. I said it's most likely not good population sampling for certain areas. When they update down the track some of these areas will disappear for people.

I'm now looking forward to FTDNA update and also MyHeritage hopefully should update their results because I know they've done a lot of work in the background.

Makes sense, that's why i said it may be confused ancestry.

[Grace O'Malley]

Makes sense, that's why i said it may be confused ancestry.

I would like a test though that can go back further. I hope one does become available in the future. I'm sure people are aware of this but tests now run your results against panels made up of people representing geographic areas as they are today. I don't think they pick up ancient dna. People getting areas that they aren't expecting is usually because they panels aren't representing them well. You'd have to compare what other tests show and also what someone from the same vicinity gets.

I don't know how accurate it is going to be to break tests down into smaller areas and try to pinpoint people's ancestry correctly to a really high level. It does make it more interesting for people though if they can.

[Albannach]

I finally got my update, it has not changed much, looks like they are still having trouble separating Scottish and Irish, they have got rid of Central England which is an improvement but I still have no idea where they are getting the English, Cornish and N. Wales from. It's interesting that S. Yorkshire is included as apparently it seems to be a bit of an outlier in comparison to the rest of Yorkshire, dating back to the Brythonic kingdom of Elmet, so basically all the regions outside Scotland and Ireland seem to be fairly Brythonic areas, I wonder if this is just reflecting the Brythonic ancestry that I have from Lowland Scotland rather than having specific ancestry from these areas outwith Scotland?

Old Results
https://i.imgur.com/AlBLquE.png

New Results
https://i.imgur.com/PLLGDR9.png

[Erronkari]

https://i.imgur.com/0rdif8z.png

[gixajo]

https://i.imgur.com/0rdif8z.png

Why Mesoamérica and Arabia???

Nafarraldekoa zara ala? Ta zorionak Euskaldun askazi argi horregatik.

[Erronkari]

Why Mesoamérica and Arabia???

Nafarraldekoa zara ala? Ta zorionak Euskaldun askazi argi horregatik.

Oh, Argentinarra / uruguaitarra naiz, baina Nafarroako Pirinioetan sustrai asko ditu, harrotasunez! eskerrik asko lagun !! ;)

[Vojnik]

"update in progress". How long does the update take to complete?

[Erronkari]

"update in progress". How long does the update take to complete?

In my case it took around 10 hours.

[Rocinante]

https://i.imgur.com/0rdif8z.png

Wow, tu has salido directo de la batalla de Roncesvalles, y como ganador. Buenos resultados hermano.

[Adamastor]

It is worthwhile to pay LivingDNA only for this update? I saw many people saying their results are shit, but they seemed accurate for me when I could see the ethnicity breakdown.

[Adamastor]

double

[Erronkari]

Wow, tu has salido directo de la batalla de Roncesvalles, y como ganador. Buenos resultados hermano.

Y lo último es necesario aclararlo. :D
Jaja es broma. :p
Pero curiosamente los pueblos navarros desde donde vienen gran parte de mis antepasados (Erronkari y Luzaide/Salvarlos) están dentro de todo bastante ceca de la zona de Roncesvalles. ;)


https://youtu.be/VhXXZ8Y-tsg

[Erronkari]

It is worthwhile to pay LivingDNA only for this update? I saw many people saying their results are shit, but they seemed accurate for me when I could see the ethnicity breakdown.

Mine are really awesome compared to other calculators.
Even though, the "arabian" is suspicious. :p
But the rest is excellent imo.

[Adamastor]

Mine are really awesome compared to other calculators.
Even though, the "arabian" is suspicious. :p
But the rest is excellent imo.

Yeah, their results look good for some people. I'm wondering if I will pay.

[Rocinante]

Y lo último es necesario aclararlo. :D
Jaja es broma. :p
Pero curiosamente los pueblos navarros desde donde vienen gran parte de mis antepasados (Erronkari y Luzaide/Salvarlos) están dentro de todo bastante ceca de la zona de Roncesvalles. ;)


https://youtu.be/VhXXZ8Y-tsg

Es que no me extrañaría hermano, vasco-navarro como nadie!

[Rocinante]

Yeah, their results look good for some people. I'm wondering if I will pay.

IMO it's worth the payment.

[gixajo]

Mine are really awesome compared to other calculators.
Even though, the "arabian" is suspicious. :p
But the rest is excellent imo.

If you want to discuss and compare with others your results we are here: https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?314746-Gen%E9tica-de-espa%F1oles-e-hispanoamericanos

Luzaidean badute euskaraz berbegiten, ez guztiek baño egiten da, baina Isaban adibidez ez dute euskaraz berbegiten, normalian erdara erabiltzen dute. non ikasi zenuen zuk euskaraz? Ez dirudi euskalki, batua ikastolan ikasita ala?

[Erronkari]

If you want to discuss and compare with others your results we are here: https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?314746-Gen%E9tica-de-espa%F1oles-e-hispanoamericanos

Luzaidean badute euskaraz berbegiten, ez guztiek baño egiten da, baina Isaban adibidez ez dute euskaraz berbegiten, normalian erdara erabiltzen dute. non ikasi zenuen zuk euskaraz? Ez dirudi euskalki, batua ikastolan ikasita ala?

Oh... unhappily I talk two or three words in Euskera.... It's really a shame...:picard1:
But I should improve my euskera skills and I will do for sure!
Luzaide area is very interesting because there many people are tri-lingual and talk in spanish, euskera anffrench...

[gixajo]

Oh... unhappily I talk two or three words in Euskera.... It's really a shame...:picard1:
But I should improve my euskera skills and I will do for sure!
Luzaide area is very interesting because there many people are tri-lingual and talk in spanish, euskera anffrench...

Don´t worry i don´t speak basque habitually, in the thread I posted the link for you we all speak Spanish.

Just now we were talking about Basques and their genetics and possible origins.

[Vojnik]

Ummmmmmmmmm.......OK.

https://i.ibb.co/PC5hg2y/living-dna123.png (https://ibb.co/RHC0cXK)

[Ljubic]

Ummmmmmmmmm.......OK.

https://i.ibb.co/PC5hg2y/living-dna123.png (https://ibb.co/RHC0cXK)

Your long lost wendish ancestors.

[Pubiczar]

https://i.ibb.co/xCfx0sV/LDNA2.png

I used to have 4.6% N. Turkey + 2.2% South Turkey and now 23.1%. I don't have Iran (4.6%), Kurdish (1.4%) and Central Asia (1.7%) -it was Northwest Caucasus btw-.

Tuscany went down to 12.3% from 23.2%.

Aegean went up to 18.7% from 0%. It seems my Balkan component divided. I had 53.45 East Balkans and now just 15.1%.

I had only 8.7% Finland and Western Russia and now 30.8% Northeast Europe.

It seems this update is total downfall.
How can you possibly be more North Eastern European than Eastern Balkaner is totally beyond me...
Than again, I've seen Greeks having around 20-30% Eastern European on top of Aegean while some Albanian Ghegs are literally 100% Aegean, total bullcrap.
It seems these companies have major problem figuring out what we(Balkaners) are exactly.
I trust G25 more than anything for now...

[Vojnik]

Your long lost wendish ancestors.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c3/Migration_of_Serbs.png

[MagnusDark]

Ummmmmmmmmm.......OK.

https://i.ibb.co/PC5hg2y/living-dna123.png (https://ibb.co/RHC0cXK)

That makes sense no?

Aegean is more Albanian-Greek like, so a "paleo-balkan" category and East Balkan are Bulgaro-Macedonians/Romanian category(with some paleo balkan overlap i imagine). I get 100 percent Aegean with the update. Kind of generic. Wish they had regionalization like they promised.

[MagnusDark]

It seems this update is total downfall.
How can you possibly be more North Eastern European than Eastern Balkaner is totally beyond me...
Than again, I've seen Greeks having around 20-30% Eastern European on top of Aegean while some Albanian Ghegs are literally 100% Aegean, total bullcrap.
It seems these companies have major problem figuring out what we(Balkaners) are exactly.
I trust G25 more than anything for now...

While their calcs aren't great, it is not too much of a stretch to consider on an individual basis that some are more mixed or northern/southern than others.

100 percent Aegean for Albanians is really not "bullcrap" as most of Albania is included in this sample group to begin with. It is basically LivinDNA's version of the generic FTDNA calc that gives us 100 percent South East Europe.

[Pubiczar]

While their calcs aren't great, it is not too much of a stretch to consider on an individual basis that some are more mixed or northern/southern than others.

100 percent Aegean for Albanians is really not "bullcrap" as most of Albania is included in this sample group to begin with. It is basically LivinDNA's version of the generic FTDNA calc that gives us 100 percent South East Europe.

Why would Albanians be included in the 'Aegean' group?
That doesn't make sense from a pure geography. It would be better if they make a separate group for Albanians and calling it 'Adriatic'.
Because there are Greeks living on the Aegean cost coming up less than 100% Aegean and then there are Albanians living 400 km away from the Aegean and less than 100 km from the Adriatic coming up as 100% Aegean.

[Bosniensis]

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c3/Migration_of_Serbs.png

Sorbs are all R1a

Serbs are 50%+ I2a

[Thracian]

It seems this update is total downfall.
How can you possibly be more North Eastern European than Eastern Balkaner is totally beyond me...
Than again, I've seen Greeks having around 20-30% Eastern European on top of Aegean while some Albanian Ghegs are literally 100% Aegean, total bullcrap.
It seems these companies have major problem figuring out what we(Balkaners) are exactly.
I trust G25 more than anything for now...

I only have 2 negative views on G25 now. First is I am skeptical about Moldavian samples. Second one is some average populations such as Turkish_Istanbul, Greek_Central_Macedonian are quite mixed and that's why useless. G25 gives us more freedom with more samples, and Davidski updates the spreadsheet frequently. So, I agree with you G25 is way better than all commercial companies.

[Pubiczar]

I only have 2 negative views on G25 now. First is I am skeptical about Moldavian samples. Second one is some average populations such as Turkish_Istanbul, Greek_Central_Macedonian are quite mixed and that's why useless. G25 gives us more freedom with more samples, and Davidski updates the spreadsheet frequently. So, I agree with you G25 is way better than all commercial companies.

Yeah, the only issue is with the wide range of samples available. It's obvious that there is something wrong with the Moldavian average. And looking in the results of Moldavian users in various forums like this one, I am pretty sure that is not the real average Moldavian result that is in Davidski's spreadsheet. Probably a very localized sampling from a few individuals all coming from a single place. I don't know why he chooses to take those individuals results as an average while from a previous spreadsheet before those samples been included the average Moldavian result was quite logical.
Well, Davidski is not a saint either, he also has agendas and includes in the spreadsheet what he likes and excludes what he doesn't like.

We have to keep in mind that even those public studies about aDNA of the population are not very certain about the exact origin of their samples.
For example in the Macedonian average there is a sample named 'Macedonian3'. I have never seen any Macedonian like that sample. There is a Macedonian posting here from Kumanovo where you can find the blondest and most northern shifted Macedonians and that guy is literally the same as 'Macedonian7' in the spreadsheet. So I am sure that 'Macedonian3' is not an ethnic Macedonian. When this sample is included in the spreadsheet I end up as a Moldavian followed by Greek. When I excluded the sample from the spreadsheet I get Macedonian as the first result.

That's why I am not using nMonte function but rather looking at the distances to the individual samples and as such I am closest to some Macedonians or Bulgarians recently Hellenised in what is now Greek Macedonia(samples NE8 and NE11) and 'Macedonian8'. And this is totally logical regarding my known ancestry.

So when using G25 I suggest you looking at the distances to the samples rather than using nMonte function because this function also has it's flaws on top of the poor sampling.

[MagnusDark]

Why would Albanians be included in the 'Aegean' group?
That doesn't make sense from a pure geography. It would be better if they make a separate group for Albanians and calling it 'Adriatic'.
Because there are Greeks living on the Aegean cost coming up less than 100% Aegean and then there are Albanians living 400 km away from the Aegean and less than 100 km from the Adriatic coming up as 100% Aegean.

Why they included them in this component I cannot say. However, being that we are included in this component, is exactly WHY we get 100% Aegean. Same as how we mostly get Greek in myheritage(we are included in that component) and almost 100% Balkan on 23andme(being included in that component). So the results are not wrong, they are just the labels. Which is why regionalization needs to be added as promised to add clarity to the general assessment.

[MagnusDark]

Sorbs are all R1a

Serbs are 50%+ I2a

Sorbs are mostly R1a-L260, but they do also have I2a1b(around 4-7 percent). Considering I2a1b in the Balkans is the result of bottlenecks and founder effects, it could have over inflated the percentage among them over time. Most Serbs are PH908, the common ancestor who fathers that branch is one man from 200CE. Meaning most of the diversity was erased and the descendants of that man multiplied exponentially. Whereas among Sorbs, R1a remained dominant.

[Thracian]

Yeah, the only issue is with the wide range of samples available. It's obvious that there is something wrong with the Moldavian average. And looking in the results of Moldavian users in various forums like this one, I am pretty sure that is not the real average Moldavian result that is in Davidski's spreadsheet. Probably a very localized sampling from a few individuals all coming from a single place. I don't know why he chooses to take those individuals results as an average while from a previous spreadsheet before those samples been included the average Moldavian result was quite logical.
Well, Davidski is not a saint either, he also has agendas and includes in the spreadsheet what he likes and excludes what he doesn't like.

We have to keep in mind that even those public studies about aDNA of the population are not very certain about the exact origin of their samples.
For example in the Macedonian average there is a sample named 'Macedonian3'. I have never seen any Macedonian like that sample. There is a Macedonian posting here from Kumanovo where you can find the blondest and most northern shifted Macedonians and that guy is literally the same as 'Macedonian7' in the spreadsheet. So I am sure that 'Macedonian3' is not an ethnic Macedonian. When this sample is included in the spreadsheet I end up as a Moldavian followed by Greek. When I excluded the sample from the spreadsheet I get Macedonian as the first result.

That's why I am not using nMonte function but rather looking at the distances to the individual samples and as such I am closest to some Macedonians or Bulgarians recently Hellenised in what is now Greek Macedonia(samples NE8 and NE11) and 'Macedonian8'. And this is totally logical regarding my known ancestry.

So when using G25 I suggest you looking at the distances to the samples rather than using nMonte function because this function also has it's flaws on top of the poor sampling.

Exactly, it was more logical. Now, they are southern shifted as a group.

This is exactly what I was trying to say. As you mentioned, removing some outlier samples is better.

[Art23]

My mother's results, she is Ukrainian, no idea about 1/4 Greko-Albanian, but we look almost Mediterranean:

https://i.ibb.co/gJPwsBk/Living-DNA-mom-5-Feb-2020.png (https://ibb.co/RcBPLVR)

On Ancestry she is 100% Eastern European though.

[ksha]

i pay for this shit.. :picard1: :)

https://i.ibb.co/MccgkhG/screenshot-my-livingdna-com-2020-02-08-19-19-11.png (https://ibb.co/1rr0Gnd)
https://i.ibb.co/chg8bpD/screenshot-my-livingdna-com-2020-02-08-19-19-33.png (https://ibb.co/tpm2ZN8)

[Luke35]

i pay for this shit.. :picard1: :)

Ugh, yeah, that is not a good result for you.

[Adamm]

100% African

https://i.imgur.com/OrOqKKt.png

[ksha]

Ugh, yeah, that is not a good result for you.

Yes my west and south asia is lost..today i have a new update..
:D

https://i.ibb.co/9rT1DjZ/Screenshot-20200211-074946-Chrome.jpg (https://ibb.co/HHzbSQh)

[Luke35]

Yes my west and south asia is lost..today i have a new update..
:D

That looks better. Still missing the exotic admixture, but from what I remember of your GEDmatch/23andMe results, this looks more in line with those.

[yowasgeht]

Apparently im a quarter italian

https://i.imgur.com/yBGF6Tq.jpg

[Luke35]

I'd say that they are doing a better job than MyHeritage, although they missed my distant English ancestry. I would describe my result as reasonable:


https://i.imgur.com/pwBMBTb.png

[Ritz06]

Old:
https://i.imgur.com/WLTbM5d.png

And updated:

https://i.imgur.com/cdnkjGn.png

[Coastal Elite]

Not bad

https://i.imgur.com/2CUIKrs.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/kvKyRY7.jpg

[Luke35]

Not bad

https://i.imgur.com/2CUIKrs.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/kvKyRY7.jpg

You're not kidding, pretty good. This company is solid, post update. Did you use your AncestryDNA data or 23andMe data for your upload?

[RandomGuy20]

Apparently im a quarter italian

Yeah Italian heritage seems to be overestimated in this latest update.

[Coastal Elite]

You're not kidding, pretty good. This company is solid, post update. Did you use your AncestryDNA data or 23andMe data for your upload?

I used AncestryDNA raw data for upload

[Luke35]

I used AncestryDNA raw data for upload

Okay, I used my Ancestry raw data too.

This report really separated and defined your two sides far better than AncestryDNA did.

[RenaRyuguu]

Here is my 2021 update:

https://i.imgur.com/fe4P5FG.png

and here are my previous results from there:

https://i.imgur.com/jabwagf.png

https://i.imgur.com/y17tH8u.png

I remember when I first got the test I scored 20% Germanic which is correct. I am a quarter German through my paternal side. The 2019 updated had me down as almost 5% Germanic and now it's completely gone. Now I score as full Balkan which is interesting. I don't know how accurate this test is for everyone. I feel like it's more for Westerners.

Here are my uncle's 2021 updated results:

https://i.imgur.com/d6BSNA2.png

He is full Balkan but he's blue eyed so yeah idk if his is accurate now.

There are his previous results:

https://i.imgur.com/YzOTTZg.png

https://i.imgur.com/UABFU9v.png

[Geni_kameni]

It only gives me balkan haha

[hazmatnik]

It only gives me balkan haha

Well i guess its normal unless you have recent ancestry from out of the Balkans.

My result is pretty much the same.

LivingDNA is generally not suited for us, since they have very poor database.

https://i.postimg.cc/7LFNHs4y/Screenshot-20220814-100649-Chrome.jpg (https://postimg.cc/PLMDKMN6)

[Geni_kameni]

Well i guess its normal unless you have recent ancestry from out of the Balkans.

My result is pretty much the same.

LivingDNA is generally not suited for us, since they have very poor database.

https://i.postimg.cc/7LFNHs4y/Screenshot-20220814-100649-Chrome.jpg (https://postimg.cc/PLMDKMN6)

Yea poor data base i think they have the lowest of all dna companies.
I got 0 dna matches. Waste of money for us.

[hazmatnik]

Yea poor data base i think they have the lowest of all dna companies.
I got 0 dna matches. Waste of money for us.

If you did it recently, you have to wait for matches to appear week or two.

[Geni_kameni]

If you did it recently, you have to wait for matches to appear week or two.

I did it one month ago

[hazmatnik]

I did it one month ago

Then its strange. I have 72 matches, mostly people i already have on other testing sites.