Do levantines pass better in europe or south asia

[Trouble]

I say Europe

[Adamastor]

Depends on their skin tone, white skinned ones in Europe, brown skinned ones in South Asia. That's all most people can see irl when features are not extremely different..

[Pro.crasti.nation]

Europe. Imo.

Skin colour-wise, I've known a few English people more naturally tan than myself!

There are millions of Desis with fair skin, but generally, we look more distinct, neither like the stereotypical Indian nor European.

[samario]

In Europe, of course.

[Tenma de Pegasus]

Europe by far, especially some islands.

[Nomansman]

South euros by far.

But lebbos look closer to many nw south asians than to north euros like scandis, english and russians

[Samnium]

Europe without any doubt, even though Southern Ldv

Levantines would pass better in South Asia.

[VigVagKesalt]

Europe without any doubt, even though Southern Ldvantines would pass better in South Asia.

What do you mean? Israel is probably whitest country in Asia.

[Abdelnour]

Speaking for myself. I work in a company that is 75 percent Indian. No one has mistaken me as South Asian and many thought I was Greek.

That said, I visited Lebanon and I can tell you we have people that are light as Englishmen and dark as South Asians, though on average we are in olive range as far as skin tone goes.

Facial features wise, unless you are a Pakistani/Indian or Gypsy living there, people in general can tell who is native based on features regardless of pigmentation.

[Abdelnour]

What do you mean? Israel is probably whitest country in Asia.

He means Gazans and Jordanians. Though quite a few Jordanian are not that dark themselves.

[samario]

What do you mean? Israel is probably whitest country in Asia.

He means Jordanians look Indian which is crazy.

[Rocinante]

Europe

[VigVagKesalt]

He means Gazans and Jordanians. Though quite a few Jordanian are not that dark themselves.

I think he probably means Palestinians in general as well. It doesn't make sense to me since we're quite diverse and our look could range from North Euro looking to African (yes there are Afro-Palestinians).


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdd0dU7eWD0

[Nomansman]

Should had make it "do levantines pass better in south europe or south asia" then europe would had been the clear winner

But im pretty sure levantines pass better in nw south asia than scandinavia, hungary, croatia, germany, england, slavic countries and ireland+ scotland(+ some other countries too)

[VigVagKesalt]

Should had make it "do levantines pass better in south europe or south asia" then europe would had been the clear winner

But im pretty sure levantines pass better in nw south asia than scandinavia, hungary, croatia, germany, england, slavic countries and ireland+ scotland(+ some other countries too)

Lmao, I share overlap with all countries you mentioned much more so than South Asians. Although I'm quite related to Iranians who are related to Levantines...

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/670139102175297576/673736155308621824/1.PNG
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/670139102175297576/673736405251260446/2.PNG

[Avicenna]

Lmao, I share overlap with all countries you mentioned much more so than South Asians. Although I'm quite related to Iranians who are related to Levantines...

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/670139102175297576/673736155308621824/1.PNG
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/670139102175297576/673736405251260446/2.PNG

That doesnt mean much. Vahado distances, fst distances as well as dstats are much more accurate which determines the relationship between two groups .

This map just shows the "similarity" of components which are based on eurogenes k15. It's not that deep .

[VigVagKesalt]

That doesnt mean much. Vahado distances, fst distances as well as dstats are much more accurate which determines the relationship between two groups .

This map just shows the "similarity" of components which are based on eurogenes k15. It's not that deep .

It's based on Eurogenes K36. It's probably most accurate oracle out there.

[Nomansman]

Lmao, I share overlap with all countries you mentioned much more so than South Asians. Although I'm quite related to Iranians who are related to Levantines...

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/670139102175297576/673736155308621824/1.PNG
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/670139102175297576/673736405251260446/2.PNG

I didnt say genetically, i meant by looks

And yeah, You would pass better in punjab than as native in birmingham, (denmark)Jylland or moscow

[VigVagKesalt]

I didnt say genetically, i meant by looks

And yeah, You would pass better in punjab than as native in birmingham, (denmark)Jylland or moscow

I mean yeah sure, I'd love to visit Pakistan.

[VigVagKesalt]

I didnt say genetically, i meant by looks

And yeah, You would pass better in punjab than as native in birmingham, (denmark)Jylland or moscow

Do I pass as Pashtun as well? I think I probably don't look Nordic enough to pass there.

[Nomansman]

Do I pass as Pashtun as well? I think I probably don't look Nordic enough to pass there.

Lol, youre butthurt

Nobody said pashtuns are light. Youre just butthurt you dont pass better in scandinavia, england, most of central europe and slavic countries than in AFG, NW south asia and other brownie countries

: /

[VigVagKesalt]

Lol, youre butthurt

Nobody said pashtuns are light. Youre just butthurt you dont pass better in scandinavia, england, most of central europe and slavic countries than in AFG, NW south asia and other brownie countries

: /

Lol, I don't want to pass there.

I mean I asked serious question. Do I pass as Pashtun?

[Nomansman]

Lol, I don't want to pass there.

I mean I asked serious question. Do I pass as Pashtun?

Probably. Hard to say. Look a little too middleeasrern

[VigVagKesalt]

Probably. Hard to say. Look a little too middleeasrern

Thanks. Anyway, to answer OP's question we're quite diverse and it depend on the individual.

[lameduck]

Lol, youre butthurt

Nobody said pashtuns are light. Youre just butthurt you dont pass better in scandinavia, england, most of central europe and slavic countries than in AFG, NW south asia and other brownie countries

: /

i dont think he is butthurt, he said paki girls are very attractive , toppo is another palestinian and he says he feel closer to Punjabis and Pashtuns than to other MENA, toppo has been to lahore and islamabad.

[Nomansman]

i dont think he is butthurt, he said paki girls are very attractive , toppo is another palestinian and he says he feel closer to Punjabis and Pashtuns than to other MENA, toppo has been to lahore and islamabad.

Ok.....? I mean, we got over our little fight and all and i already knew about toppo...

[Avicenna]

It's based on Eurogenes K36. It's probably most accurate oracle out there.

Doesn't change what I said though ...also you look middle Eastern. I remember you mentioned people would mistake you as a native German . That's almost hard to believe and not chuckle.

[Avicenna]

Do I pass as Pashtun as well? I think I probably don't look Nordic enough to pass there.

You pass better in Oman or Yemen than as a pashtun imo

[Negah]

Another stupid thread

[VigVagKesalt]

Doesn't change what I said though ...also you look middle Eastern. I remember you mentioned people would mistake you as a native German . That's almost hard to believe and not chuckle.

Meh, I don't know what kind of perception you have of "German". Their looks vary from looking Cypriot to looking Swedish. For example Joseph Goebbels look is pretty common in South Germany.

[Nomansman]

You pass better in Oman or Yemen than as a pashtun imo

Nobody said he couldnt pass better in Oman or yemen than as pashtun though

[Avicenna]

Meh, I don't know what kind of perception you have of "German". Their looks vary from looking Cypriot to looking Swedish. For example Joseph Goebbels look is pretty common in South Germany.
That logic is flawed. The question is , how common is a Cypriot looking German ?

In that case I could find you Scandinavian looking Kurds , that doesn't mean Jürgen from stockholm would be mistaken for a Kurd from Erbil .

FYI I'm almost certain no German actually looks cypriot looking let alone levantine looking unless they are admixed . Most dark Germans are just darker atlantids, paleo atlantid, dinarids . You my freind, are none of those .

[VigVagKesalt]

Nobody said he couldnt pass better in Oman or yemen than as pashtun though

I think my genetics map in page 2 explains where I pass best. The higher the number the more I share drift with the local population hence passing there better.

[Nomansman]

Anyway, since i was talking a bit earlier about palis passing as scandis or south asians better and vig posted his k36 eurogenes plot, i wanted to check on vahado distances to all levantines to both pashtuns and spanish, scandis, slavs(and for fun, an east iranian):





Distance to: Lebanese_Christian
0.11515049 French_Corsica
0.12827001 Spanish_Canarias
0.13077881 Bulgarian
0.13562737 MashdadIranian
0.13573565 Macedonian
0.13722160 Spanish_Extremadura
0.13866716 Portuguese
0.13922337 Spanish_Eivissa
0.13927676 Spanish_Menorca
0.14019951 Spanish_Murcia
0.14037502 Spanish_Andalucia
0.14229428 Spanish_Baleares
0.14277634 Spanish_Mallorca
0.14343364 Spanish_Alacant
0.14384022 Spanish_Galicia
0.14413432 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha
0.14577993 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon
0.14681319 Spanish_Terres_de_l'Ebre
0.14775134 Spanish_Camp_de_Tarragona
0.14782490 Spanish_Valencia
0.14833643 Spanish_Peri-Barcelona
0.14885359 Spanish_Girona
0.14948257 Spanish_Penedes
0.15035196 Spanish_Lleida
0.15115084 Spanish_Castello
0.15139115 Spanish_Aragon
0.15181881 Spanish_Pirineu
0.15213241 Spanish_Catalunya_Central
0.15220113 Spanish_Cataluna
0.15338632 Spanish_La_Rioja
0.15380756 Spanish_Barcelones
0.15444582 Spanish_Navarra
0.15500807 Spanish_Cantabria
0.15555766 Spanish_Asturias
0.15842833 French_Auvergne
0.16368467 Spanish_Soria
0.16423784 French_Alsace
0.17243358 Austrian
0.17258893 Spanish_Pais_Vasco
0.17680327 HRP0370_scaled
0.18470384 Nomansman_scaled
0.18503694 French_Brittany
0.18775651 surbakhun
0.18884366 Pashtun:Pashtun2_8Af
0.19398667 Scottish
0.20267707 Norwegian
0.20598380 Polish
0.20601644 Swedish
0.20987885 Cossack_Ukrainian
0.23445016 Finnish
0.23983526 Estonian
0.24533878 Finnish_East
0.24877508 Latvian






Distance to: Lebanese_Druze
0.11456337 French_Corsica
0.12312179 MashdadIranian
0.12589112 Bulgarian
0.12608829 Spanish_Canarias
0.13110096 Macedonian
0.13506686 Spanish_Extremadura
0.13641582 Portuguese
0.13708958 Spanish_Eivissa
0.13737121 Spanish_Menorca
0.13834268 Spanish_Murcia
0.13837603 Spanish_Andalucia
0.14014855 Spanish_Baleares
0.14025625 Spanish_Mallorca
0.14115382 Spanish_Alacant
0.14150865 Spanish_Galicia
0.14243811 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha
0.14338796 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon
0.14487435 Spanish_Terres_de_l'Ebre
0.14545028 Spanish_Camp_de_Tarragona
0.14590818 Spanish_Valencia
0.14637034 Spanish_Peri-Barcelona
0.14652558 Spanish_Girona
0.14688387 Spanish_Penedes
0.14847209 Spanish_Lleida
0.14952656 Spanish_Castello
0.14954598 Spanish_Aragon
0.15009034 Spanish_Pirineu
0.15012719 Spanish_Cataluna
0.15024649 Spanish_Catalunya_Central
0.15155027 Spanish_Barcelones
0.15278138 Spanish_Navarra
0.15319221 Spanish_Cantabria
0.15350729 Spanish_La_Rioja
0.15352347 Spanish_Asturias
0.15524832 French_Auvergne
0.15982821 French_Alsace
0.16153162 Spanish_Soria
0.16370601 HRP0370_scaled
0.16732573 Austrian
0.17110725 Spanish_Pais_Vasco
0.17170488 Nomansman_scaled
0.17475591 surbakhun
0.17566647 Pashtun:Pashtun2_8Af
0.18009764 French_Brittany
0.18840325 Scottish
0.19699760 Norwegian
0.20006503 Polish
0.20038133 Swedish
0.20384494 Cossack_Ukrainian
0.22774641 Finnish
0.23347055 Estonian
0.23837544 Finnish_East
0.24238517 Latvian






Distance to: Lebanese_Muslim
0.11565398 French_Corsica
0.11939898 MashdadIranian
0.12288592 Spanish_Canarias
0.12416399 Bulgarian
0.12935824 Macedonian
0.13364589 Spanish_Extremadura
0.13501696 Portuguese
0.13640152 Spanish_Eivissa
0.13662704 Spanish_Menorca
0.13691135 Spanish_Murcia
0.13715296 Spanish_Andalucia
0.13947944 Spanish_Baleares
0.13957033 Spanish_Mallorca
0.14004404 Spanish_Galicia
0.14033306 Spanish_Alacant
0.14165722 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon
0.14183025 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha
0.14449115 Spanish_Terres_de_l'Ebre
0.14460446 Spanish_Camp_de_Tarragona
0.14508218 Spanish_Valencia
0.14585885 Spanish_Peri-Barcelona
0.14590739 Spanish_Girona
0.14623473 Spanish_Penedes
0.14792386 Spanish_Lleida
0.14887908 Spanish_Cataluna
0.14889786 Spanish_Castello
0.14905571 Spanish_Aragon
0.14944884 Spanish_Pirineu
0.14988343 Spanish_Catalunya_Central
0.15056868 Spanish_Barcelones
0.15212370 Spanish_Asturias
0.15236372 Spanish_Navarra
0.15262134 Spanish_Cantabria
0.15377809 Spanish_La_Rioja
0.15433226 French_Auvergne
0.15825867 French_Alsace
0.15862427 HRP0370_scaled
0.16091022 Spanish_Soria
0.16487831 Austrian
0.16761430 Nomansman_scaled
0.17016509 surbakhun
0.17017867 Pashtun:Pashtun2_8Af
0.17075875 Spanish_Pais_Vasco
0.17843312 French_Brittany
0.18640721 Scottish
0.19477771 Norwegian
0.19637392 Polish
0.19760926 Swedish
0.19972154 Cossack_Ukrainian
0.22287118 Finnish
0.22894367 Estonian
0.23270552 Finnish_East
0.23792611 Latvian




More incoming

[Avicenna]

I think my genetics map in page 2 explains where I pass best. The higher the number the more I share drift with the local population hence passing there better.

That doesn't show if you share total generic drift my man . That's just a similarity map tool used for a bit of fun. You would need deep analysis statistical info to see who you share total generic drift. You seriously think you look more British than Punjabi ?

[Nomansman]

I think my genetics map in page 2 explains where I pass best. The higher the number the more I share drift with the local population hence passing there better.

Lol, come on. You dont pass better in austria than punjab.

[VigVagKesalt]

That doesn't show if you share total generic drift my man . That's just a similarity map tool used for a bit of fun. You would need deep analysis statistical info to see who you share total generic drift. You seriously think you look more British than Punjabi ?

I don't know how Punjabi look like. Could you elaborate by giving some photos?

[Nomansman]

More:




Distance to: Palestinian
0.13285823 Spanish_Canarias
0.13794640 French_Corsica
0.13961613 MashdadIranian
0.15000439 Spanish_Extremadura
0.15010291 Bulgarian
0.15094384 Portuguese
0.15359809 Spanish_Andalucia
0.15374893 Spanish_Murcia
0.15470075 Macedonian
0.15509229 Spanish_Eivissa
0.15577592 Spanish_Menorca
0.15651082 Spanish_Galicia
0.15766531 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon
0.15801824 Spanish_Alacant
0.15852390 Spanish_Baleares
0.15922025 Spanish_Mallorca
0.15949715 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha
0.16310612 Spanish_Camp_de_Tarragona
0.16314052 Spanish_Valencia
0.16404928 Spanish_Terres_de_l'Ebre
0.16485568 Spanish_Peri-Barcelona
0.16534863 Spanish_Girona
0.16582640 Spanish_Penedes
0.16655222 Spanish_Cataluna
0.16686047 Spanish_Lleida
0.16715749 Spanish_Aragon
0.16716308 Spanish_Castello
0.16793737 Spanish_Asturias
0.16807092 Spanish_Pirineu
0.16901096 Spanish_Catalunya_Central
0.16948536 Spanish_Barcelones
0.16961820 Spanish_Navarra
0.16980838 Spanish_La_Rioja
0.17072135 Spanish_Cantabria
0.17446305 French_Auvergne
0.17506615 HRP0370_scaled
0.17881232 Spanish_Soria
0.17958794 French_Alsace
0.18577837 Nomansman_scaled
0.18694356 surbakhun
0.18698543 Austrian
0.18817448 Pashtun:Pashtun2_8Af
0.18888861 Spanish_Pais_Vasco
0.19889122 French_Brittany
0.20657005 Scottish
0.21424570 Norwegian
0.21702796 Polish
0.21745624 Swedish
0.22051928 Cossack_Ukrainian
0.24105330 Finnish
0.24764966 Estonian
0.24937920 Finnish_East
0.25697503 Latvian





Distance to: Palestinian_Beit_Sahour
0.12191688 French_Corsica
0.13362014 Spanish_Canarias
0.13631782 MashdadIranian
0.13914708 Bulgarian
0.14326487 Spanish_Extremadura
0.14355013 Macedonian
0.14449481 Portuguese
0.14582983 Spanish_Eivissa
0.14620542 Spanish_Murcia
0.14628706 Spanish_Menorca
0.14710326 Spanish_Andalucia
0.14842342 Spanish_Baleares
0.14911715 Spanish_Mallorca
0.14922584 Spanish_Alacant
0.14979228 Spanish_Galicia
0.15076207 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha
0.15197404 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon
0.15394412 Spanish_Terres_de_l'Ebre
0.15408965 Spanish_Camp_de_Tarragona
0.15430844 Spanish_Valencia
0.15435466 Spanish_Peri-Barcelona
0.15477102 Spanish_Girona
0.15536871 Spanish_Penedes
0.15676589 Spanish_Lleida
0.15685394 Spanish_Castello
0.15757026 Spanish_Aragon
0.15798468 Spanish_Catalunya_Central
0.15800149 Spanish_Pirineu
0.15833252 Spanish_La_Rioja
0.15863277 Spanish_Cataluna
0.16029931 Spanish_Navarra
0.16067412 Spanish_Barcelones
0.16136914 Spanish_Cantabria
0.16309499 Spanish_Asturias
0.16489874 French_Auvergne
0.16785210 Spanish_Soria
0.17138552 French_Alsace
0.17921063 Spanish_Pais_Vasco
0.17978440 HRP0370_scaled
0.17989496 Austrian
0.18717777 Nomansman_scaled
0.18862320 surbakhun
0.19133538 French_Brittany
0.19270186 Pashtun:Pashtun2_8Af
0.20061923 Scottish
0.20848916 Norwegian
0.21295381 Swedish
0.21382458 Polish
0.21769510 Cossack_Ukrainian
0.24221988 Finnish
0.24749069 Estonian
0.25282391 Finnish_East
0.25639490 Latvian





Indeed as it shows, levantines are closer to balkans and south euros(along with some very med shifted non-south euros) than pashtuns even(and more closer to them than punjabis specially). ANd i didnt deny they could look more like them than south asians.



However, theyre a bit closer to central euros like germans, austrians and whatever(or equally as close) as to pashtuns(and remember, I NEVER SAID that pashtuns are close to levantines).

But as it appears, it doesnt seem to correspond with vig's k36 eurogenes plot. According to his plots( https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/670139102175297576/673736155308621824/1.PNG, https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/670139102175297576/673736405251260446/2.PNG) he would pass thrice as well in germany than in AFG. The vahado distances say otherwise.


I think the reason he has so high affinity to the euros is the fact that the calc focus only on what he shares with the euros(but ignore what makes him very different from euros). He would have like a lot of med and some bit steppe(common in euros+ some chg), but he also has a lot of admix which is alien to euros. However it seems that the calc is ignoring that. Remember the same case with some morroccan(nassbean) who posted his chart as well.

Honestly, i wouldnt even be suprised if a half african, half euro would have even more affinity to euros than levantines, although not being any closer, if not further as well.

[VigVagKesalt]

Lol, come on. You dont pass better in austria than punjab.

I think Indians are beautiful yeah. I'd love to pass there. ^^

[Nomansman]

I don't know how Punjabi look like. Could you elaborate by giving some photos?

Jatts(nw south asians/punjabis)


https://www.google.dk/search?biw=1920&bih=969&tbm=isch&sxsrf=ACYBGNRBMWu8r1UFLYXaMIHNCnGAUCn5WA%3A1580745 308694&sa=1&ei=XEI4XovyKeOcmwXAnpHQCg&q=jatts&oq=jatts&gs_l=img.3..0i19j0i10i19j0i19l5j0i5i30i19l2.429.12 29..1478...1.0..0.89.350.6......0....1..gws-wiz-img.....10..35i39j0j35i362i39j0i131j0i67j0i30.zWY9 ibbpO18&ved=0ahUKEwiLkOuU37XnAhVjzqYKHUBPBKoQ4dUDCAc&uact=5



Austrians:


https://www.google.dk/search?biw=1920&bih=969&tbm=isch&sxsrf=ACYBGNQJylb7VmoWCGQUzbU9KB3-klp_uw%3A1580745311026&sa=1&ei=X0I4XuyiAdXSmwW_pYz4Aw&q=austrians&oq=austrians&gs_l=img.3..0i19j0i10i19j0i19l3j0i5i30i19l5.40010. 41665..41799...1.0..0.268.822.10j0j1......0....1.. gws-wiz-img.....10..0i7i30i19j35i362i39j35i39j0.GLREcNQshE Q&ved=0ahUKEwiszvmV37XnAhVV6aYKHb8SAz8Q4dUDCAc&uact=5



You cant tell me you look more similiar to austrians than to punjabis when your skin colour is even more the same as the punjabis compared to other levantines. Not saying you look super similiar to punjabis.
You might look more similiar to some south euros, but not all of them

[TheOldNorth]

Southern Europe, yeah

[VigVagKesalt]

Jatts(nw south asians/punjabis)


https://www.google.dk/search?biw=1920&bih=969&tbm=isch&sxsrf=ACYBGNRBMWu8r1UFLYXaMIHNCnGAUCn5WA%3A1580745 308694&sa=1&ei=XEI4XovyKeOcmwXAnpHQCg&q=jatts&oq=jatts&gs_l=img.3..0i19j0i10i19j0i19l5j0i5i30i19l2.429.12 29..1478...1.0..0.89.350.6......0....1..gws-wiz-img.....10..35i39j0j35i362i39j0i131j0i67j0i30.zWY9 ibbpO18&ved=0ahUKEwiLkOuU37XnAhVjzqYKHUBPBKoQ4dUDCAc&uact=5



Austrians:


https://www.google.dk/search?biw=1920&bih=969&tbm=isch&sxsrf=ACYBGNQJylb7VmoWCGQUzbU9KB3-klp_uw%3A1580745311026&sa=1&ei=X0I4XuyiAdXSmwW_pYz4Aw&q=austrians&oq=austrians&gs_l=img.3..0i19j0i10i19j0i19l3j0i5i30i19l5.40010. 41665..41799...1.0..0.268.822.10j0j1......0....1.. gws-wiz-img.....10..0i7i30i19j35i362i39j35i39j0.GLREcNQshE Q&ved=0ahUKEwiszvmV37XnAhVV6aYKHb8SAz8Q4dUDCAc&uact=5



You cant tell me you look more similiar to austrians than to punjabis when your skin colour is even more the same as the punjabis compared to other levantines. Not saying you look super similiar to punjabis.
You might look more similiar to some south euros, but not all of them

Oh. Can you post the photo of me where I look similar to Punjabis?

[Nomansman]

Oh. Can you post the photo of me where I look similar to Punjabis?

Post your pic.

ANd i dont say you look super similiar to punjabis. You however pass better amongst them than austrians

[VigVagKesalt]

Post your pic.

ANd i dont say you look super similiar to punjabis. You however pass better amongst them than austrians

I'd love to pass as Punjabi as well.

https://i.imgur.com/3dpRwZJ.jpg

[Nomansman]

I'd love to pass as Punjabi as well.

https://i.imgur.com/3dpRwZJ.jpg


Yeah, you look different from punjabis obvs. But you pass better amongst them than northern and central europeans:


Khatris:


https://www.google.dk/search?biw=1920&bih=969&tbm=isch&sxsrf=ACYBGNS75R6KXXedKsFIQ5X4-PbvSGbMNA%3A1580746309402&sa=1&ei=RUY4XtmVGJmAk74P5LaY8Ag&q=khatri+crowds&oq=khatri+crowds&gs_l=img.3...3994.6488..6646...0.0..0.59.545.10... ...0....1..gws-wiz-img.......35i39j0i7i30i19j0i5i30i19j0i19j0i8i30i19 .QP2ijRdw3Cs&ved=0ahUKEwiZzIHy4rXnAhUZwMQBHWQbBo4Q4dUDCAc&uact=5#imgdii=TEddkvzMWaO1uM:&imgrc=WJitQzwCS92DBM:


arains:



https://www.google.dk/search?biw=1920&bih=969&tbm=isch&sxsrf=ACYBGNT5RsAlADxyQRckyNQ2a3HwaBujQw%3A1580746 316629&sa=1&ei=TEY4Xq-CJquYk74PhuOf6AM&q=arain+crowds&oq=arain+crowds&gs_l=img.3...21816.22996..23282...0.0..0.62.447.8. .....0....1..gws-wiz-img.......0i67j0j0i7i30j0i8i7i30.Ytlzx4PKL1Q&ved=0ahUKEwiv2Lr14rXnAhUrzMQBHYbxBz0Q4dUDCAc&uact=5




Punjab crowd(although many of them look very different from you, thats because theyre likely south indian alike types. Now though, some of them look kind of similiar to you and you could even pass in the pic. Do you have a pic of yourself without the beard)


https://static.toiimg.com/thumb/msid-70670173,imgsize-701404,width-400,resizemode-4/70670173.jpg

[Avicenna]

Yeah, you look different from punjabis obvs. But you pass better amongst them than northern and central europeans:


Khatris:


https://www.google.dk/search?biw=1920&bih=969&tbm=isch&sxsrf=ACYBGNS75R6KXXedKsFIQ5X4-PbvSGbMNA%3A1580746309402&sa=1&ei=RUY4XtmVGJmAk74P5LaY8Ag&q=khatri+crowds&oq=khatri+crowds&gs_l=img.3...3994.6488..6646...0.0..0.59.545.10... ...0....1..gws-wiz-img.......35i39j0i7i30i19j0i5i30i19j0i19j0i8i30i19 .QP2ijRdw3Cs&ved=0ahUKEwiZzIHy4rXnAhUZwMQBHWQbBo4Q4dUDCAc&uact=5#imgdii=TEddkvzMWaO1uM:&imgrc=WJitQzwCS92DBM:


arains:



https://www.google.dk/search?biw=1920&bih=969&tbm=isch&sxsrf=ACYBGNT5RsAlADxyQRckyNQ2a3HwaBujQw%3A1580746 316629&sa=1&ei=TEY4Xq-CJquYk74PhuOf6AM&q=arain+crowds&oq=arain+crowds&gs_l=img.3...21816.22996..23282...0.0..0.62.447.8. .....0....1..gws-wiz-img.......0i67j0j0i7i30j0i8i7i30.Ytlzx4PKL1Q&ved=0ahUKEwiv2Lr14rXnAhUrzMQBHYbxBz0Q4dUDCAc&uact=5




Punjab crowd(although many of them look very different from you, thats because theyre likely south indian alike types. Now though, some of them look kind of similiar to you and you could even pass in the pic. Do you have a pic of yourself without the beard)


https://static.toiimg.com/thumb/msid-70670173,imgsize-701404,width-400,resizemode-4/70670173.jpg

I would honestly mistake him for a Pakistani if I saw him here . You can't rely on vahado or oracles etc that is mainly aimed for a bit of fun . Academics in papers never use these tools but instead opt for dstats , fst analysis of genetic relationship between groups .

[Avicenna]

I'd love to pass as Punjabi as well.




You can for sure .

[Nomansman]

I would honestly mistake him for a Pakistani if I saw him here . You can't rely on vahado or oracles etc that is mainly aimed for a bit of fun . Academics in papers never use these tools but instead opt for dstats , fst analysis of genetic relationship between groups .

Now, im kind of interested. Can you post other dna-papers thats supporting what diliawer/baloch is saying? I always hear about other dna studies, but i havent seen them before. COuld you post them? Not dilawer, but other's papers

[Nomansman]

I would honestly mistake him for a Pakistani if I saw him here . You can't rely on vahado or oracles etc that is mainly aimed for a bit of fun . Academics in papers never use these tools but instead opt for dstats , fst analysis of genetic relationship between groups .

He really doesnt look that paki either. He looks different from the people i posted. TBH, he looks more similiar to the afghans i know IRL(not my family only, but some other pashtuns + some tajiks as well) than pakis

[Avicenna]

Now, im kind of interested. Can you post other dna-papers thats supporting what diliawer/baloch is saying? I always hear about other dna studies, but i havent seen them before. COuld you post them? Not dilawer, but other's papers

Go to ANY ACADEMIC paper which is based on genetic relationships /ancestry etc ( not davidski) and you will see what I'm talking about. They mainly use fst loci distances , y DNA and mtdna haplogroups and other factors to draw a conclusion. These vahado distances are nice and all, but it's no where enough to be deemed as accurate, especially when folks like the Arab guy making claims as to how he thinks he's closer to central euros than even Iranians .

Autosomal ancestry especially from commercial companies takes a look at a very small section of your DNA .

[Nomansman]

Go to ANY ACADEMIC paper which is based on genetic relationships /ancestry etc ( not davidski) and you will see what I'm talking about. They mainly use fst loci distances , y DNA and mtdna haplogroups and other factors to draw a conclusion. These vahado distances are nice and all, but it's no where enough to be deemed as accurate, especially when folks like the Arab guy making claims as to how he thinks he's closer to central euros than even Iranians .

How about you post the papers? Im not good at finding materials

[lameduck]

I'd love to pass as Punjabi as well.


you look from eastern shores of mediterranean , you dont look punjabi , if you are really interested in seeing some diversity there are like 50 news channels in pakistan and there only job is to do 24 hour coverage , since there is always something happening in Pakistan , it is a good bussiness and you will found countless video

just type "channel name" "city name" and package

like "rohi" focusses on multan/surrounding


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YkuRGvYnA5A

city 42 on lahore/central Punjab region

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNji88kANQk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzs8mIXMSRM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wCCMaT1XjqM

for more rural Punjab


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTUnTFXZu8c

list of news channels in pakistan

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_television_channels_in_Pakistan

[TheMaestro]

India

[VigVagKesalt]

Go to ANY ACADEMIC paper which is based on genetic relationships /ancestry etc ( not davidski) and you will see what I'm talking about. They mainly use fst loci distances , y DNA and mtdna haplogroups and other factors to draw a conclusion. These vahado distances are nice and all, but it's no where enough to be deemed as accurate, especially when folks like the Arab guy making claims as to how he thinks he's closer to central euros than even Iranians .

Autosomal ancestry especially from commercial companies takes a look at a very small section of your DNA .

Okay man you seem to be bothered by my ancestry. I'm not an Arab and I like Iranians much more than gulf Arabs. Arab identification in Levantines is nothing but linguistic.

[VigVagKesalt]

How about you post the papers? Im not good at finding materials

He's just bitter about a few facts that I posted.

[Avicenna]

How about you post the papers? Im not good at finding materials

This is one papee
It's quite in detail and a little complicated but you get the gist .

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3799995/

[Avicenna]

He's just bitter about a few facts that I posted.

Bitter ? You claiming to you look Austrian and German compared to Iranian even though you look more middle Eastern than anything ? Sure bro

[VigVagKesalt]

Bitter ? You claiming to you look Austrian and German compared to Iranian even though you look more middle Eastern than anything ? Sure bro

I never claimed that. I just look East Med.

[Avicenna]

I never claimed that. I just look East Med.

"I think my genetics map in page 2 explains where I pass best. The higher the number the more I share drift with the local population hence passing there better."

I apologise if I misunderstood, but I assume the quote was referring to the k36 map, which showed you to be more similar to central euros than even iranians . Probably a misunderstanding from your part which you are confusing admixture tools for actual genetic relationship.

[Nomansman]

This is one papee
It's quite in detail and a little complicated but you get the gist .

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3799995/



The thing is though that i know two afghans(funny enough, both are part European) that are obessed with y-dna and mtdna(one of them even has a Big hand in genetics world I assume) and neither of them agree with Kurds stuff actually(not that I trust him less). I'm just not gonna trust his work too much(although he does seem rather well read)

[Avicenna]

The thing is though that i know two afghans(funny enough, both are part European) that are obessed with y-dna and mtdna(one of them even has a Big hand in genetics world I assume) and neither of them agree with Kurds stuff actually(not that I trust him less). I'm just not gonna trust his work too much(although he does seem rather well read)

Yes one is called coldmountains from AG. He doesn't necessarily disagree on all his work , he disagreed on one fundamental part.

[Nomansman]

Yes one is called coldmountains from AG. He doesn't necessarily disagree on all his work , he disagreed on one fundamental part.

Not coldmountains(someone Else WHO has AS much knowlegde) and he disagreed on kurds stuff and told me almost No papir he seen support kurd

Im just gonna stAy neutral about this stuff

[lameduck]

The thing is though that i know two afghans(funny enough, tjener part European) that are obessed with y-dna and mtdna(one of them even has a Big hand in genetics world I assume) and neither of them agree with Kurds stuff actually(not that I trust him less). I'm just not gonna trust his work too much(although he does seem rather well read)

this lineage stuff do have some reality though , recent paper on asia was very clear that lineages around indus valley are lot more west eurasian shifted than as you move to south and eastern part of south asia , west pakistan and afghanistan would be even more steppe shifted , according to guy who analyzed shina samples said many had steppe lineages. So you have two way cline one is auDNA based and other is lineages based.

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?309151-The-GenomeAsia-100K-Project-enables-genetic-discoveries-across-Asia&p=6376643#post6376643

[Wolfdog]

I'd say "South Asia".

Surely, we are talking about certain comparison ( Levantines vs. Europeans; and Levantines vs. South Asians )

And I dont think South Asians and Levantines look exactly the same.

[Avicenna]

Not coldmountains(someone Else WHO has AS much knowlegde) and he disagreed on kurds stuff and told me almost No papir he seen support kurd

Im just gonna stAy neutral about this stuff

I think it's the conclusion that majoirty of members disagreed on Kurd rather than his actual methods, which seemed to show correlation Alot with reality . Dstats are known to be quite precise and show total generic drift . Kurds conclusion was quite contraversial however .

[Nomansman]

I'd say "South Asia".

Surely, we are talking about certain comparison ( Levantines vs. Europeans; and Levantines vs. South Asians )

And I dont think South Asians and Levantines look exactly the same.

They do look more similiar to some south euros than to south asians

[Nomansman]

I think it's the conclusion that majoirty of members disagreed on Kurd rather than his actual methods, which seemed to show correlation Alot with reality . Dstats are known to be quite precise and show total generic drift . Kurds conclusion was quite contraversial however .

I dont trust too much his conclusions on qAdmn analyses, since many other members i AG and some others are using that tool too and even used it to disprove kurd.

But d-stats are probably right

[VigVagKesalt]

They do look more similiar to some south euros than to south asians

This is not due to Middle Easterners having European ancestry, it's actually the other way around.

https://cache.eupedia.com/images/content/Neolithic_farmer_admixture.png

[Wolfdog]

They do look more similiar to some south euros than to south asians

For some extent.
it would be debatable if OP asked "Do Levantines pass better in South Europe or South Asia?"

[Trouble]

Depends on their skin tone, white skinned ones in Europe, brown skinned ones in South Asia. That's all most people can see irl when features are not extremely different..

FAX

[chociprasa]

50/50, depends on where in South Asia and where in Europe.

[Trouble]

50/50, depends on where in South Asia and where in Europe.

Agree. How about if we said Southern Europe or Pashtun+Baloch areas of South Asia

[Bandesha]

........

can you classify these people https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?314499-classify-jatt-baloch-and-pashtun-singer-from-south-punjab

(https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?314499-classify-jatt-baloch-and-pashtun-singer-from-south-punjab)

[Nassbean]

Europe

[Duffmannn]

They are in-between southern Europe and Pakistan-North India.

If we compare northern Europe and northern South Asia, so northern South Asia.

If we compare southern Europe and southern South Asia, so southern Europe.

If we compare northern Europe and southern South Asia, so neither.

If we compare southern Europe and northern South Asia, so both.

[Lucazk9]

hard question..i think it depends what part of europe also..for exemple none of them can pass in northen,central, eastern europe but i've seen Levantines who looked absolutly european(maybe real descendents of europeans) , and some levantines sure can pass in sicily, south italy , greece and maybe even spain portugal.
While in South asia i dont know..

[Celestia]

Europe typically

[happycow]

Depends on the person. There is a lot of variation in even one levantine family. I have an uncle (paternal side) who passes as North European yet my father looks mestizo.

In my case I don't pass in Europe and I don't think I could pass in South Asia even though a few people here said I give a Pakistani or north Indian vibe.

[kalach]

South Asia

[Trouble]

Depends on the person. There is a lot of variation in even one levantine family. I have an uncle (paternal side) who passes as North European yet my father looks mestizo.

In my case I don't pass in Europe and I don't think I could pass in South Asia even though a few people here said I give a Pakistani or north Indian vibe.

you can pass as a pashtun

[happycow]

you can pass as a pashtun

Very nice :cool:

[Avicenna]

Very nice :cool:

If it's okay could you pm me your pic ? Wanna see if you are pashtun looking ?

[happycow]

If it's okay could you pm me your pic ? Wanna see if you are pashtun looking ?

Sure I'll send you a pm

[Dna8]

Speculation regarding various popular consciousnesses:

Levantines pass better in:

Europe, according to East Asians.

Europe, according to South Asians.

Europe, according to Africans.

Europe, according to Europeans.

Europe, according to South East Asians.

Europe, according to Amerindians.

Europe, according to Aboriginal Australians.

Europe, according to West Asians.

[Avicenna]

To answer the question . If you are taking Europe as Sicily , Malta , cyprus , Greek etc and south Asia as the sub continent ( everything east of Punjab ) then they pass better in Europe . They obviously don't look central euro , northern euro or eastern euro. If you were to include Afghanistan in South Asia then south Asia by a country mile .

[Nomansman]

To answer the question . If you are taking Europe as Sicily , Malta , cyprus , Greek etc and south Asia as the sub continent ( everything east of Punjab ) then they pass better in Europe . They obviously don't look central euro , northern euro or eastern euro. If you were to include Afghanistan in South Asia then south Asia by a country mile .

TBH, a good bunch of them gives me sicillian vibe, so they MIGHT pass better in south europe than AFG slightly?

[Avicenna]

TBH, a good bunch of them gives me sicillian vibe, so they MIGHT pass better in south europe than AFG slightly?

I would say more cyprus and Greek islanders than Sicily tbh. Don't get fooled by pics on these forums , Sicilians don't look too different from mainland Italians . Southern Italians that is.

[Nomansman]

I would say more cyprus and Greek islanders than Sicily tbh. Don't get fooled by pics on these forums , Sicilians don't look too different from mainland Italians . Southern Italians that is.

TBH, many of these groups arent super genetically far from levantines, so it kind of makes sense they can look like each other a lot

[Smeagol]

Europe. And genetically they're closer to Europe than India too.

[Avicenna]

TBH, many of these groups arent super genetically far from levantines, so it kind of makes sense they can look like each other a lot
Yeah that's true too

[Dna8]

Europe. And genetically they're closer to Europe than India too.

Relevant aficionados, what does the below topographic map suggest regarding the migration of genetics (human) in the context of Europe, the Levant and South Asia?

https://www.worldmapsonline.com/images/extreme_relief/eurasia_french_extreme_raised_relief_map_lg.jpg

Oh, kindest regards,

Dna8

[Mr.G]

Relevant aficionados, what does the below topographic map suggest regarding the migration of genetics (human) in the context of Europe, the Levant and South Asia?

https://www.worldmapsonline.com/images/extreme_relief/eurasia_french_extreme_raised_relief_map_lg.jpg

Oh, kindest regards,

Dna8

I feel like this is an IQ test question, and I'm about to fail.

And I'm not even a relevant aficionado anyway so I should just keep my mouth shut, but...

Perhaps the shapes and formations of these mountain ranges largely guided human migration, trade routes, and invasions. All this movement ultimately leading to groups of autosomally and culturally similar people (ethnic groups), as we knew them, anyway, before the start of the modern transportation era?

[Dna8]

I feel like this is an IQ test question, and I'm about to fail.

And I'm not even a relevant aficionado anyway so I should just keep my mouth shut, but...

Perhaps the shapes and formations of these mountain ranges largely guided human migration, trade routes, and invasions. All this movement ultimately leading to groups of autosomally and culturally similar people (ethnic groups), as we knew them, anyway, before the start of the modern transportation era?

Forum Father, how nice to bump into you again!

And nice post!

[Tooting Carmen]

Depends on the group: Jordanians and Gazans more in South Asia for sure. The others would be at least 50/50 if not more leaning towards Europe.

[Zroota]

Depends on the group: Jordanians and Gazans more in South Asia for sure. The others would be at least 50/50 if not more leaning towards Europe.
Iraqi Arabs too (if you count northwestern Iraq as part of the Levant).

[Thambi]

Europe by far. Southern europe especially. Only MENAs that pass better in south asia than europe are some southern gulf arab folks.

[happycow]

Europe by far. Southern europe especially. Only MENAs that pass better in south asia than europe are some southern gulf arab folks.

Welcome back

[Trouble]

Europe by far. Southern europe especially. Only MENAs that pass better in south asia than europe are some southern gulf arab folks.

I would say most of the darker MENAs pass better in s. asia regardless of whether theyre from the gulf or not.

[Thambi]

Welcome back

Thanks :) good to be back

[Thambi]

I would say most of the darker MENAs pass better in s. asia regardless of whether theyre from the gulf or not.

It depends. soomeone like Mia Khalifa would go unnoticed, but someone like this arabic tutor girl would be questioned imo. Or even nora fatehi that famous bollywood item dancer. She's ambiguous. She probably could pass but idk maybe she wears too much south asian inspired makeup.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZV1BGAQNT9s

[Trouble]

It depends. soomeone like Mia Khalifa would go unnoticed, but someone like this arabic tutor girl would be questioned imo


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZV1BGAQNT9s

Dude, no way. Not in the north at least. She looks like Lilly Singh.