Byzantine Roman Warrior 605 A.D.

[Bosniensis]

Mediterranean male warrior possibly from the eastern Alps. He was found with Byzantine artifacts.

Copy-Paste from MyTrueAncestry Data.

A believe some haven't seen this.


Closest Ancient (Herodotian identification)

Gaul + Roman (8.486)
Roman (9.519)
Gallo-Roman + Roman (9.662)
Roman + Illyrian (10.24)
Roman + Thracian (11.1)
Gaul + Gallo-Roman (11.25)
Gallo-Roman (12.26)
Gaul (13.95)
Illyrian (14.19)
Thracian (17.55)

Closest Modern

1. Kosovan (7.844)
2. Bulgarian (11.16)
3. Romanian (12.12)
4. Tuscan (12.38)
5. Bosnian (12.81)
6. North_Italian (12.87)
7. Greek (13.91)
8. Greek_Thessaly (14.64)

Similar Samples

Central Roman (590 AD) (9.519)
Protovillanovia Martinsicuro (930 BC) (10.36)
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Tuscan Medieval Villa Magna Italy (905 AD) (11.72)
Central Roman (590 AD) (12.04)

[Bosniensis]

I remember in 2014, if Kosovar or Bulgarian would claim anything "Byzantine" he would be accused for stealing Greek history on this forum.

In 605 A.D. Slavic Migrations still didn't happen.

So that soldier up there is 100% Balkan Soldier.

If we add like 20% Slavic admixture ... from those who migrated later, you get modern Balkan people, but those are still the same people.

[RodGol]

I'm not surprised. Byzantines were more southern shifted than modern balkan people. And not all of them were exactly greek.

[SharpFork]

Any other calculator?

[Bosniensis]

Any other calculator?

I don't think G25 or Gedmatch is available yet publically.

But more stats can be found on MyTrueAncestry.com

I believe others have this sample too, but don't know where.

[Tenma de Pegasus]

This is the people that lost Constantinople the largest european city and for sure one of the most interesting ancient population. Its always very cool to see genetic results of this impressive civilization.

[Crn Volk]

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[Faklon]

Vlach power (even though he seems Western shifted), what's the source?

[Moje ime]

I'm waiting Albanians to claim him.

What was his haplogroup?

Distances are not close really to modern population.

[ioan assen]

Not surprising at all. BG encompassed half of what has been the Balkan province of the Byzantine empire for centuries. The ordinary people were Slavicized not only with the infusion of the slavs, but thanks to the Bulgarian state, which pushed the Slavic culture to all its inhabitants (many of which were obviously Byzantine subjects prior to that push).

[Bosniensis]

Vlach power, what's the source?

It's from a group of Roman soldiers who were buried by Goths (with whom they fought)

research link: https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2018/09/1400-year-old-warrior-burial-ground-reveals-german-fighters-came-near-and-far

This is the southern european soldier sample with Byzantine Equipment among other soldiers.

[Bosniensis]

I'm waiting Albanians to claim him.

What was his haplogroup?

Distances are not close really to modern population.

Not known only mtdna is known: I5a1

Distances are not close because those are PRE-SLAVIC people.

few decades later many Ukrainians and Poles settled on Balkans.

If you mix those you get modern pops.


11.0 isn't very distant at all.

That's like -25% Slavic Autosomal to hit 7

[vbnetkhio]

Culture: Merovingian
The Alemanni were a confederation of Germanic tribes located in the Upper Rhine basin. With the defeat of the Alemanni by Clovis I of the Franks in 497 AD, Alamannia became a Duchy of the Merovingian Kingdom. Integration between the Alemanni and Franks from the 5th to 8th century AD was reflected in the changed burial practices and richly furnished graves of the ruling families (Adelsgrablege). The splendor of these graves depicted the family structure, wealth, and status of the familia and also the power of the Franks. The 7th century Alemannic burial site at Niederstotzingen in southern Germany was used from 580 to 630 AD and rerepresents the best preserved example of such an Alemannic Adelsgrablege. Discovered in 1962, 13 human skeletal remains (10 adults and 3 infants - seemingly all male), along with a varied assemblage of weapons, armor, jewelry, equestrian gear, and remains of three horses, were excavated from 12 graves. The grave goods indicated contacts with Byzantines, Lombards, and Franks.

These remains are of a strong and non-local Mediterranean male warrior possibly from the eastern Alps. He was found with Byzantine artifacts.



there is nothing Balkan about this sample, he was just burried with Byzantine artefacts

[Bosniensis]

there is nothing Balkan about this sample, he was just burried with Byzantine artefacts

These remains are of a strong and non-local Mediterranean male warrior.

It's clearly stated that he isn't Goth.

[Moje ime]

Not known only mtdna is known: I5a1


Maybe was a woman.

[vbnetkhio]

These remains are of a strong and non-local Mediterranean male warrior.

It's clearly stated that he isn't Goth.

haha sorry, i read it as "local, non-mediterranean"
we need k13 or g25 though

[Faklon]

Maybe was a woman.

It was Hurrem sultana fighting with ninja niqab.

[MagnusDark]

Not known only mtdna is known: I5a1

Distances are not close because those are PRE-SLAVIC people.

few decades later many Ukrainians and Poles settled on Balkans.

If you mix those you get modern pops.


11.0 isn't very distant at all.

That's like -25% Slavic Autosomal to hit 7

Actually a threshold of 0-6 is an ideal range of closeness/relatedness. 10 and up are legitimate but they are distant. All it means is that the sample is distant from most moderns but closest to the Kosovar sample group. If I am not mistaken most Albanians get Greek/Greek Thessaly first(No Albanian sample group). Also, Kosova sample group is quite small and not indicative of all Albanians or Kosovars.

MyTrueAncestry should update their modern sample groups.

[MagnusDark]

I'm waiting Albanians to claim him.

What was his haplogroup?

Distances are not close really to modern population.

Don't be such a hater(dial down your Cetnik). No Albanian claims this sample. In a general sense, they are still closer to US than to YOU.

[Bosniensis]

Actually a threshold of 0-6 is an ideal range of closeness/relatedness. 10 and up are legitimate but they are distant. All it means is that the sample is distant from most moderns but closest to the Kosovar sample group. If I am not mistaken most Albanians get Greek/Greek Thessaly first(No Albanian sample group). Also, Kosova sample group is quite small and not indicative of all Albanians or Kosovars.

MyTrueAncestry should update their modern sample groups.

This sample is exactly how I imagined Illyrian Roman Soldiers from Dalmatia, Pannonia, Dardania etc..

As you can see, Albanians - people who haven't mixed with Slavs extensively are way closer, while modern Romanians, Bosniaks, Serbs, Bulgarians are more distant obviously for a reason cause they mixed with Slavic arrival from 630 onwards.

This sample also hints that Slavic influence on Illyrians and Thracian isn't huge, rather moderate.

Still, this sample throws Greek concept of Eastern Roman Empire out of window.

We need more like these.

[catgeorge]

I'm not surprised. Byzantines were more southern shifted than modern balkan people. And not all of them were exactly greek.

COnsidering you have little understanding on the Roman army which moved from Rome to Constantinople in its entirety your answer makes sense for unhistorical unreads.

[Bosniensis]

Bronze Age Balkans:

This sample is in LINE with Byzantine Warrior sample

Distance to: I2165_Balkans_BronzeAge
5.56541104 Macedonian
6.87094288 Italy_FriuliVG
8.10062961 Pomak
9.14498223 Italy_Trentino
9.19683098 Albanian_North
9.27223584 Italy_Veneto
9.68632025 Romanians
9.86257066 Gagauz
10.47836819 Albanian_Kosovo
10.59325316 Swiss_Italian
10.71695386 Bosnian
10.93210273 Italy_Piedmont
10.97254301 Croat
11.01249291 Bulgarians
11.14902686 Bulgarian
11.80739203 Italy_Aosta_Valley
12.57357585 Italy_Lombardy
13.31387442 Italy_Liguria
13.71222415 Italy_Emilia
14.56869898 Italy_Tuscany
15.25376675 Italy_Romagna
16.38135526 Hungarians
16.78275406 Italy_Lazio
17.86276849 Italy_Marche
19.30657132 France_Corsica[/QUOTE]