Eurogenes G25 vs AncestryDNA

[JamesBond007]

What is more accurate or more correct in your opinion Eurogenes G25 modern average scaled or the AncestryDNA's ethnicity assessment ?

[Bosniensis]

G25

[dududud]

G25

This.

[JamesBond007]

G25

AncestryDNA must know most of their customers are American and that Americanism and 'Irish' identity are related because it is trying to tell me I am mostly Irish/Scottish and it does not differentiate between the Irish and Scots in ethnicity but in some bullshit called 'genetic communities'.

Meanwhile G25 says I am closest to the Dutch and that my breakdown is closest to mostly Norwegian with some Spanish admixture etc...

Since, the results are very different I made this voting poll.

[vbnetkhio]

AncestryDNA must know most of their customers are American and that Americanism and 'Irish' identity are related because it is trying to tell me I am mostly Irish/Scottish and it does not differentiate between the Irish and Scots.

Meanwhile G25 says I am closest to the Dutch and that my breakdown is closest to mostly Norwegian with some Spanish admixture etc...

Since, the results are very different I made this voting poll.

closest to Dutch means you have a similar whg, enf.. etc. ratio as the Dutch samples in g25.
"Norwegian + Spanish" is the same as Dutch, it probably means the Dutch are just like Norwegians but with more enf.

Ancestry is aimed at Americans who want to find out their old world ancestry. the clusters are more recent, 200-500 years ago. so they have one big boring "Eastern Europe" admixture, because it's all the same to most Americans. maybe that's also why they put Irish and Scottish together. or perhaps it's hard to distinguish between recent Irish and Scottish ancestry.

[Adamastor]

For finding our recent ancestry? AncestryDNA without doubt. Or Ethnogene, 23andme, FTDNA and even MyHeritage. GEDmatch and Eurogenes wiill only model your ancestry based on similarity of components, so you can have terribly innacurate estimations using them.

[RyoHazuki]

For finding our recent ancestry? AncestryDNA without doubt. Or Ethnogene, 23andme, FTDNA and even MyHeritage. GEDmatch and Eurogenes wiill only model your ancestry based on similarity of components, so you can have terribly innacurate estimations using them.

Depends, G25 is way more accurate at modeling my recent ancestry based on similar specific populations. Ancestry is both too broad and even gets that wrong for me. The only thing Ancestry did right was model me as 3/4 NW Europe with 2% SSA and Jewish. It got the other quarter wrong.

[J. Ketch]

Ancestry DNA is far more accurate, it shouldn't even be a question. Ancestry uses reference populations of thousands and uses IBD. G25 cannot distinguish between NW Europeans yet. Ancestry separates Irish/Scottish from English/Welsh very well, and British Isles from German and Scandinavian quite well, or at least they did before the last update.

Why would you think G25 is more accurate when it models you as Dutch or Norwegian + Spanish? You know you're not those things so why would you think it?

I really wish that Ancestry would just separate Irish and Scottish like Living DNA though, then it might force you to be confronted with the fact that you're probably half Irish or something.

[Cumansky]

AncestryDNA is joke every race

[Luke35]

Depends. G25, against the whole spreadsheet, gives me interesting info but the details certainly don't match my recent ancestry in any way, shape, or form. So in some respects AncestryDNA is superior when comparing like this.

But when Isolating my recent ancestral populations, G25 says 50% Hungarian, 40% German, and 10% English. That's accurate and better than AncestryDNA.

[vbnetkhio]

AncestryDNA is joke every race

it's a joke for us Vlachs, black Americans get a breakdown of like 20 African regions

[Cumansky]

it's a joke for us Vlachs, black Americans get a breakdown of like 20 African regions

Then you post your result 100% Eastern Europe and Russia and these neworlders act like you inbred in that Facebook groups lol

But I seen Yugos get African in that company, before they roll the new update

[JamesBond007]

Ancestry DNA is far more accurate, it shouldn't even be a question. Ancestry uses reference populations of thousands and uses IBD. G25 cannot distinguish between NW Europeans yet. Ancestry separates Irish/Scottish from English/Welsh very well, and British Isles from German and Scandinavian quite well, or at least they did before the last update.

AncestryDNA cannot even distinquish the low countries and Normandy from England let alone distinquish the Irish from the Scottish etc... It should not be rocket science to distinquish the Irish from the Scottish as the Scottish are more Germanic but not as Germanic as the English.


Why would you think G25 is more accurate when it models you as Dutch or Norwegian + Spanish? You know you're not those things so why would you think it?

I dunno, as an American you never know your ancestry totally unless you do full geneology, even then there can be infidelity, but that is not possible with certain branches of my family. I hear rumours from my cousin and sister that my paternal grandmother had an ancestor named Jose. Obviously, if you mix Norwegian with not too much French or Spanish it is going to be West shifted to Dutch but the more West shifted then it is going to be French: Normandy or whatnot. I think although I probably have British isles ancestors I also have German ancestors from Alsace-Lorraine and that kind of stuff could have shifted me away from the British isles to the continent. I don't think I am literally Norwegian with a little bit of Spanish but that it is an analogue and that Dutch being my closest single population analogue could make sense.


I really wish that Ancestry would just separate Irish and Scottish like Living DNA though, then it might force you to be confronted with the fact that you're probably half Irish or something.

That wouldn't necessarily mean I am Irish, though, could be Scottish if the other chunk is mostly Germanic with some Welsh thrown in for good measure.

[JamesBond007]

What is interesting is Lukas Mucaga and Ger Huijbregts, who were not acting in tandem with Davidski, came to the same conclusion via my K36 report as the G25 global average.

G25 :

Distance to: Kevin_scaled
0.02865262 Dutch
0.02966312 Norwegian
0.03097093 Welsh
0.03128912 Irish
0.03153596 Scottish
0.03173767 English
0.03264251 Orcadian
0.03323573 French_Brittany
0.03424261 English_Cornwall
0.03434002 Shetlandic
0.03554655 Icelandic
0.03738947 German
0.03825792 Swedish
0.03928185 Belgian
0.04385265 French_Nord
0.04392491 French_Paris
0.04724802 French_Alsace
0.04744540 Austrian
0.04923277 Swiss_German

Target: Kevin_scaled
Distance: 2.6087% / 0.02608687 | ADC: 0.5x
48.2 Norwegian
43.6 Dutch
8.2 Spanish_Soria


LM Genetics analysis :

Below is a Pearson`s linear correlation map which compares your results to different regional averages around the world (scale – 1, 1). In the case of mixed persons with distant parental admixtures, the top results are often midpoint between them, however results lower down the list should show areas from the derived parental admixtures. For many people this is the best way to show their actual regional ancestry. It's also worth mentioning that some similar genetic regions like those from the North Sea Germanic cluster can show up even if they aren't part of your actual ancestry. The map is a graphical representation of the correlation values list.

Correlation values (values below 0.2 are insignificant, below 0 completely not
important so I don't provide them) :

1 NL_Gelderland 0,96361
2 NL_Overijssel 0,96159
3 DE Niedersachsen 0,95985
4 Scotland 0,95683
5 England_North-West 0,95054
6 NL_Zuid_Holland 0,95054

https://i.postimg.cc/tgZvCZtk/m2.png

[JamesBond007]

Scottish does show up on my ancestry, according to the K36 LM genetics report but Scottish is already half Germanic (Norse and Anglian), compared to the Irish, and the rest of my Germanic ancestry just overpowers the Scottish :

NL_Gelderland : 32%
NL_Groningen 24.8%
Scotland : 21.2%
Nidersachsen (Germany) 9.4 %
NL_Overjissel : 7.8 %
Tyrol (Germany) 2%
Saarland (Germany)0.8%

etc...


It looks pretty accurate it has my British isles and German ancestry in there etc..

[J. Ketch]

AncestryDNA cannot even distinquish the low countries and Normandy from England let alone distinquish the Irish from the Scottish etc... It should not be rocket science to distinquish the Irish from the Scottish as the Scottish are more Germanic but not as Germanic as the English.



I dunno, as an American you never know your ancestry totally unless you do full geneology, even then there can be infidelity, but that is not possible with certain branches of my family. I hear rumours from my cousin and sister that my paternal grandmother had an ancestor named Jose. Obviously, if you mix Norwegian with not too much French or Spanish it is going to be West shifted to Dutch but the more West shifted then it is going to be French. Normandy or whatnot. I think although I probably have British isles ancestors I also have German ancestors from Alsace-Lorraine and that kind of stuff could have shifted me away from the British isles to the continent. I don't think I am literally Norwegian with a little bit of Spanish but that it is an analog and that Dutch being my closest single population analogue could make sense.



That wouldn't necessarily mean I am Irish, though, could be Scottish if the other chunk is mostly Germanic with some Welsh thrown in for good measure.
An example of how much better Ancestry and now Living DNA is for mixed British Isles or mixed NW Europeans is my results. One parent is from Ireland the other from England. I have no Scottish, Orcadian, or continental ancestry.

Ancestry before the last update
https://i.postimg.cc/hjFmcFKF/jun2019.jpg
Living DNA recent update
https://i.postimg.cc/0Nww8gtB/Opera-Snapshot-2020-02-03-055038-my-livingdna-com.png

Global 25


Distance to: Creoda_scaled
0.01721798 Orcadian
0.01847653 Scottish
0.01967844 Irish
0.02087370 English
0.02090097 English_Cornwall
0.02218451 Icelandic
0.02279147 Welsh
0.02385523 Shetlandic
0.02385536 Dutch
0.02685711 French_Brittany

Averaged

Target: Creoda_scaled
Distance: 1.7022% / 0.01702151
77.8 Orcadian
13.4 Icelandic
8.6 English_Cornwall
0.2 Luo

Aggregated

Target: Creoda_scaled
Distance: 0.6363% / 0.00636347 | ADC: 0.25x
46.8 Irish
24.2 Scottish
18.6 Dutch
5.2 French_Brittany
5.2 German

[catgeorge]

Ancestry DNA is all over the shop.

[RyoHazuki]

Ancestry DNA is far more accurate, it shouldn't even be a question. Ancestry uses reference populations of thousands and uses IBD. G25 cannot distinguish between NW Europeans yet. Ancestry separates Irish/Scottish from English/Welsh very well, and British Isles from German and Scandinavian quite well, or at least they did before the last update.

Why would you think G25 is more accurate when it models you as Dutch or Norwegian + Spanish? You know you're not those things so why would you think it?

I really wish that Ancestry would just separate Irish and Scottish like Living DNA though, then it might force you to be confronted with the fact that you're probably half Irish or something.

G25 is more accurate for me because the populations it gives are closer to my recent heritage. I get 0% French or Iberian in Ancestry, yet I get 70% England, 12% German, 10% Scottish/Irish, 4% Norway, 2% Swede, 1% Nigerian and Jewish, and this was after the update. I've heard some say that the French couldve just been lumped in with England in my result, but the admixture map is representative of where English DNA is, not French.

[Coastal Elite]

1. 23andMe
2. AncestryDNA
3. G25

23andMe was the elephant in the room

[JamesBond007]

*edited out*

[JamesBond007]

An example of how much better Ancestry and now Living DNA is for mixed British Isles or mixed NW Europeans is my results. One parent is from Ireland the other from England. I have no Scottish, Orcadian, or continental ancestry.

Ancestry before the last update

Living DNA recent update


Global 25


Distance to: Creoda_scaled
0.01721798 Orcadian
0.01847653 Scottish
0.01967844 Irish
0.02087370 English
0.02090097 English_Cornwall
0.02218451 Icelandic
0.02279147 Welsh
0.02385523 Shetlandic
0.02385536 Dutch
0.02685711 French_Brittany

Averaged

Target: Creoda_scaled
Distance: 1.7022% / 0.01702151
77.8 Orcadian
13.4 Icelandic
8.6 English_Cornwall
0.2 Luo

Aggregated

Target: Creoda_scaled
Distance: 0.6363% / 0.00636347 | ADC: 0.25x
46.8 Irish
24.2 Scottish
18.6 Dutch
5.2 French_Brittany
5.2 German

This is what you don't seem to understand or want to admit : your Irish and British ancestry is about half/half which makes your single closest population Scottish. G25 seems to excel at this single best closest population thing. I realize a lot of people would rather be closer to Irish or English, though .

Here is joke about it :

In recent years, the small Scottish nationalist party has become so desperate that it has been kidnapping money and ransoming it for people.

[JamesBond007]

1. 23andMe
2. AncestryDNA
3. G25

23andMe was the elephant in the room

Both AncestryDNA and 23andme suck. For example ,let us say you are half English and Spanish : G25 would likely tell you that you better start learning to speak French because G25 will tell you that is your single closest populatuon. Neither 23andme or ancestryDNA will tell you this because G25 is indie rock that has not sold out while 23andme and AncestryDNA are multi-culti international corporations.

[Coastal Elite]

Both AncestryDNA and 23andme suck. For, example let us say you are half English and Spanish : G25 would likely tell you that you better start learning to speak French because G25 will tell you that is your single closest populatuon. Neither 23andme or ancestryDNA will tell you this because G25 is indie rock that has not sold out while 23andme and AncestryDNA are multi-culti international corporations.

I can only speak for myself but 23andMe and AncestryDNA gave me much more accurate results, including the correct regions. For example, both correctly identified my Cork ancestry, G25 didn't even come close. I'm not trying to bash G25, I like to use it, but I find it interesting that people have blind faith in Davidski as if he is some all knowing guru of genetics and somehow say 23andMe and AncestryDNA some agenda.

[Cumansky]

23andme is the best one

[JamesBond007]

I can only speak for myself but 23andMe and AncestryDNA gave me much more accurate results, including the correct regions. For example, both correctly identified my Cork ancestry, G25 didn't even come close. I'm not trying to bash G25, I like to use it, but I find it interesting that people have blind faith in Davidski as if he is some all knowing guru of genetics and somehow say 23andMe and AncestryDNA have some Agenda.

AncestryDNA is run by Mormons and 23andme is run by Jews because Americans are too stupid to trust real scientists to run shit. AncestryDNA does have an agenda it is to tell plastic paddies like you that you are Irish. Americans mostly use services such as AncestryDNA and Americans want to hear they are 'Irish' plastic paddies so that is the service many get.

[Coastal Elite]

AncestryDNA is run by Mormons and 23andme is run by Jews because Americans are too stupid to trust real scientists to run shit. Ancestry does have an Agenda it is to tell plastic paddies like you that you are Irish.

Yes, my results were part of a Mormon and Jewish conspiracy. Why do you ask if you know all the answers?

[J. Ketch]

I can only speak for myself but 23andMe and AncestryDNA gave me much more accurate results, including the correct regions. For example, both correctly identified my Cork ancestry, G25 didn't even come close. I'm not trying to bash G25, I like to use it, but I find it interesting that people have blind faith in Davidski as if he is some all knowing guru of genetics and somehow say 23andMe and AncestryDNA some agenda.
From calculator to calculator, if G25 delivers me the results I like it's the most accurate. If it doesn't it's retarded Polack science.

[Coastal Elite]

From calculator to calculator, if G25 delivers me the results I like it's the most accurate. If it doesn't it's retarded Polack science.

Overall, it's not bad, I just have much more faith in AncestryDNA and 23andMe, esp. for regional stuff. They are more consistent with my known ancestry but that's me. I will say Eurogenes K13 is a pretty solid calculator to this day, so I'll give credit where credit is due.

[J. Ketch]

Overall, it's not bad, I just have much more faith in AncestryDNA and 23andMe, esp. for regional stuff. They are more consistent with my known ancestry but that's me. I will say Eurogenes K13 is a pretty solid calculator to this day, so I'll give credit where credit is due.
G25's main purpose is not really for ascertaining modern ancestry, especially between closely related populations, so people who criticise it for that reason are missing the point.

[marco]

I would say 23 and me then ancestry. 23 and me got my regions and country of origin right when I try to model
Myself with moderns on G25 it doesn’t produce the same results. G25 for me is a fun tool and no indication of ones true ancestry especially considering the lack of ancient NA samples.

[Sebbo]

Ancestry DNA is far more accurate, it shouldn't even be a question. Ancestry uses reference populations of thousands and uses IBD. G25 cannot distinguish between NW Europeans yet. Ancestry separates Irish/Scottish from English/Welsh very well, and British Isles from German and Scandinavian quite well, or at least they did before the last update.

Why would you think G25 is more accurate when it models you as Dutch or Norwegian + Spanish? You know you're not those things so why would you think it?

I really wish that Ancestry would just separate Irish and Scottish like Living DNA though, then it might force you to be confronted with the fact that you're probably half Irish or something.



Is this still the case? Would you agree that 2018 era (pre-recent updates) was also better than modern G25 :) ? Thanks

[Jingle Bell]

AncestryDna is good at find ur ancestry but not AMAZING, its just good but not in 23andme level (dont even have haplogroups if u care)
While g25 can be good if ur Raw data is decent, but ill mostly say to where u are closer to, i am ~45% Portuguese & Galician with a minor Valenican and castillian, 45% SSA, 7% MENA and 3% NAtive, but i am closer to 36% Basque + rest of my caucasioid begin MENA, which donts mean i am Basque, just means i have most similarities with a 36% Basque (bcs i have more WHG) than a 45% Galician, but in general i find g25 more accurate, u just need be able to interpretation.