Icelandic DNA

[Ben Valdem]

Hello fellow European brothers and sisters I thought I want to share my results with you

I hope you like it

https://i.imgur.com/lI9T1p7.png

[RyoHazuki]

Hmmm, I was expecting more Irish for Icelandic. Post Gedmatch oracles and Dna Land?

[xripkan]

Could you post your gedmatch results?

[Ben Valdem]

Hmmm, I was expecting more Irish for Icelandic. Post Gedmatch oracles and Dna Land?

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 47.56
2 Baltic 33.04
3 West_Med 7.24
4 West_Asian 4.69
5 East_Med 3.23
6 Amerindian 1.62
7 Siberian 1.4
8 Oceanian 0.71
9 South_Asian 0.5
10 East_Asian 0.01

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Swedish 3.49
2 North_Swedish 5.04
3 Norwegian 5.94
4 North_German 6.62
5 Danish 7.2
6 North_Dutch 7.58
7 Orcadian 9.74
8 Irish 10.49
9 West_Scottish 11.12
10 Southeast_English 11.17
11 East_German 11.74
12 Austrian 12.76
13 Southwest_English 12.85
14 Southwest_Finnish 13.01
15 West_German 13.3
16 South_Dutch 13.31
17 Hungarian 15.57
18 South_Polish 17.41
19 Finnish 18.66
20 Polish 18.84

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 77.3% Norwegian + 22.7% Finnish @ 2.38
2 55.1% North_Swedish + 44.9% Norwegian @ 2.4
3 70.3% Norwegian + 29.7% Southwest_Finnish @ 2.48
4 60.7% North_Swedish + 39.3% Danish @ 2.49
5 64.5% Swedish + 35.5% North_Swedish @ 2.53
6 62.2% North_Swedish + 37.8% North_Dutch @ 2.54
7 79.1% Norwegian + 20.9% Estonian @ 2.59
8 84.7% Swedish + 15.3% Southwest_Finnish @ 2.61
9 80.7% Norwegian + 19.3% East_Finnish @ 2.62
10 88.9% Swedish + 11.1% Finnish @ 2.63
11 91.1% Swedish + 8.9% East_Finnish @ 2.72
12 90.3% Swedish + 9.7% Estonian @ 2.74
13 80.3% Norwegian + 19.7% Belorussian @ 2.74
14 91% Swedish + 9% Belorussian @ 2.77
15 58.8% North_Swedish + 41.2% North_German @ 2.78
16 82.4% Norwegian + 17.6% Lithuanian @ 2.84
17 91.8% Swedish + 8.2% Southwest_Russian @ 2.84
18 92.4% Swedish + 7.6% Lithuanian @ 2.84
19 91.7% Swedish + 8.3% Estonian_Polish @ 2.86
20 93.5% Swedish + 6.5% Erzya @ 2.87

[Ben Valdem]

Could you post your gedmatch results?

Ok which one

[xripkan]

Ok which one

I see you posted K13. I would like also to see your Eurogenes K15 and K36

[RyoHazuki]

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 47.56
2 Baltic 33.04
3 West_Med 7.24
4 West_Asian 4.69
5 East_Med 3.23
6 Amerindian 1.62
7 Siberian 1.4
8 Oceanian 0.71
9 South_Asian 0.5
10 East_Asian 0.01

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Swedish 3.49
2 North_Swedish 5.04
3 Norwegian 5.94
4 North_German 6.62
5 Danish 7.2
6 North_Dutch 7.58
7 Orcadian 9.74
8 Irish 10.49
9 West_Scottish 11.12
10 Southeast_English 11.17
11 East_German 11.74
12 Austrian 12.76
13 Southwest_English 12.85
14 Southwest_Finnish 13.01
15 West_German 13.3
16 South_Dutch 13.31
17 Hungarian 15.57
18 South_Polish 17.41
19 Finnish 18.66
20 Polish 18.84

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 77.3% Norwegian + 22.7% Finnish @ 2.38
2 55.1% North_Swedish + 44.9% Norwegian @ 2.4
3 70.3% Norwegian + 29.7% Southwest_Finnish @ 2.48
4 60.7% North_Swedish + 39.3% Danish @ 2.49
5 64.5% Swedish + 35.5% North_Swedish @ 2.53
6 62.2% North_Swedish + 37.8% North_Dutch @ 2.54
7 79.1% Norwegian + 20.9% Estonian @ 2.59
8 84.7% Swedish + 15.3% Southwest_Finnish @ 2.61
9 80.7% Norwegian + 19.3% East_Finnish @ 2.62
10 88.9% Swedish + 11.1% Finnish @ 2.63
11 91.1% Swedish + 8.9% East_Finnish @ 2.72
12 90.3% Swedish + 9.7% Estonian @ 2.74
13 80.3% Norwegian + 19.7% Belorussian @ 2.74
14 91% Swedish + 9% Belorussian @ 2.77
15 58.8% North_Swedish + 41.2% North_German @ 2.78
16 82.4% Norwegian + 17.6% Lithuanian @ 2.84
17 91.8% Swedish + 8.2% Southwest_Russian @ 2.84
18 92.4% Swedish + 7.6% Lithuanian @ 2.84
19 91.7% Swedish + 8.3% Estonian_Polish @ 2.86
20 93.5% Swedish + 6.5% Erzya @ 2.87

Thanks dude

[RyoHazuki]

Ok which one

K15 admixture would be nice too please

[Ben Valdem]

I see you posted K13. I would like also to see your Eurogenes K15 and K36

Eurogenes K15:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Sea 38.75
2 Atlantic 23.82
3 Baltic 15.7
4 Eastern_Euro 11.93
5 West_Asian 3.75
6 West_Med 3.18
7 Amerindian 1.19
8 Siberian 0.83
9 Oceanian 0.46
10 South_Asian 0.38

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Swedish 2.93
2 Norwegian 4.07
3 North_Swedish 5.08
4 West_Norwegian 5.49
5 North_Dutch 6.15
6 Danish 6.41
7 North_German 7.46
8 West_Scottish 8.7
9 Irish 8.91
10 Orcadian 9.29
11 Southeast_English 10.06
12 Southwest_English 11.15
13 Southwest_Finnish 11.26
14 West_German 11.62
15 South_Dutch 12.83
16 East_German 12.95
17 Finnish 13.69
18 Hungarian 16.59
19 French 17.77
20 Austrian 17.82

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 91% Swedish + 9% Southwest_Finnish @ 2.72
2 81.1% Swedish + 18.9% North_Swedish @ 2.76
3 93.9% Swedish + 6.1% Finnish @ 2.8
4 95.6% Swedish + 4.4% East_Finnish @ 2.8
5 97.3% Swedish + 2.7% Tatar @ 2.81
6 98.2% Swedish + 1.8% Mari @ 2.82
7 98% Swedish + 2% Chuvash @ 2.82
8 96% Swedish + 4% La_Brana-1 @ 2.82
9 96.9% Swedish + 3.1% Kargopol_Russian @ 2.83
10 98.9% Swedish + 1.1% West_Greenlander @ 2.83
11 99.2% Swedish + 0.8% North_Amerindian @ 2.83
12 99.4% Swedish + 0.6% Anzick-1 @ 2.83
13 99.3% Swedish + 0.7% Pima @ 2.83
14 99.4% Swedish + 0.6% Karitiana @ 2.84
15 96.3% Swedish + 3.7% Estonian @ 2.84
16 98.5% Swedish + 1.5% Chechen @ 2.84
17 99.1% Swedish + 0.9% East_Greenlander @ 2.84
18 90.7% Swedish + 9.3% North_German @ 2.85
19 99.4% Swedish + 0.6% Mayan @ 2.85
20 98.5% Swedish + 1.5% Tabassaran @ 2.85



Eurogenes K36:

Population
Amerindian 0.11 Pct
Arabian -
Armenian -
Basque 0.68 Pct
Central_African -
Central_Euro 9.21 Pct
East_African -
East_Asian -
East_Balkan -
East_Central_Asian -
East_Central_Euro 8.30 Pct
East_Med -
Eastern_Euro 4.50 Pct
Fennoscandian 27.04 Pct
French 7.96 Pct
Iberian 7.81 Pct
Indo-Chinese -
Italian -
Malayan -
Near_Eastern -
North_African -
North_Atlantic 15.37 Pct
North_Caucasian 1.54 Pct
North_Sea 16.87 Pct
Northeast_African -
Oceanian -
Omotic -
Pygmy -
Siberian -
South_Asian -
South_Central_Asian 0.58 Pct
South_Chinese -
Volga-Ural -
West_African -
West_Caucasian -
West_Med -

[Ben Valdem]

K15 admixture would be nice too please

I posted it

Actually Eurogenes K13 is the same as MyHeritage in admixture

[Not a Cop]

Eurogenes K15:



Are you purely Icelandic with no known finnish ancestry? Your finnish percentage is very high for someone of icelandic background.

[Ben Valdem]

Are you purely Icelandic with no known finnish ancestry? Your finnish percentage is very high for someone of icelandic background.

Nope but my mother family are of Swedish origin

[Not a Cop]

Nope but my mother family are of Swedish origin

Well that explains it. Do you know ancestor's locations of your mother?

[RyoHazuki]

Eurogenes K15:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Sea 38.75
2 Atlantic 23.82
3 Baltic 15.7
4 Eastern_Euro 11.93
5 West_Asian 3.75
6 West_Med 3.18
7 Amerindian 1.19
8 Siberian 0.83
9 Oceanian 0.46
10 South_Asian 0.38

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Swedish 2.93
2 Norwegian 4.07
3 North_Swedish 5.08
4 West_Norwegian 5.49
5 North_Dutch 6.15
6 Danish 6.41
7 North_German 7.46
8 West_Scottish 8.7
9 Irish 8.91
10 Orcadian 9.29
11 Southeast_English 10.06
12 Southwest_English 11.15
13 Southwest_Finnish 11.26
14 West_German 11.62
15 South_Dutch 12.83
16 East_German 12.95
17 Finnish 13.69
18 Hungarian 16.59
19 French 17.77
20 Austrian 17.82

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 91% Swedish + 9% Southwest_Finnish @ 2.72
2 81.1% Swedish + 18.9% North_Swedish @ 2.76
3 93.9% Swedish + 6.1% Finnish @ 2.8
4 95.6% Swedish + 4.4% East_Finnish @ 2.8
5 97.3% Swedish + 2.7% Tatar @ 2.81
6 98.2% Swedish + 1.8% Mari @ 2.82
7 98% Swedish + 2% Chuvash @ 2.82
8 96% Swedish + 4% La_Brana-1 @ 2.82
9 96.9% Swedish + 3.1% Kargopol_Russian @ 2.83
10 98.9% Swedish + 1.1% West_Greenlander @ 2.83
11 99.2% Swedish + 0.8% North_Amerindian @ 2.83
12 99.4% Swedish + 0.6% Anzick-1 @ 2.83
13 99.3% Swedish + 0.7% Pima @ 2.83
14 99.4% Swedish + 0.6% Karitiana @ 2.84
15 96.3% Swedish + 3.7% Estonian @ 2.84
16 98.5% Swedish + 1.5% Chechen @ 2.84
17 99.1% Swedish + 0.9% East_Greenlander @ 2.84
18 90.7% Swedish + 9.3% North_German @ 2.85
19 99.4% Swedish + 0.6% Mayan @ 2.85
20 98.5% Swedish + 1.5% Tabassaran @ 2.85



Eurogenes K36:

Population
Amerindian 0.11 Pct
Arabian -
Armenian -
Basque 0.68 Pct
Central_African -
Central_Euro 9.21 Pct
East_African -
East_Asian -
East_Balkan -
East_Central_Asian -
East_Central_Euro 8.30 Pct
East_Med -
Eastern_Euro 4.50 Pct
Fennoscandian 27.04 Pct
French 7.96 Pct
Iberian 7.81 Pct
Indo-Chinese -
Italian -
Malayan -
Near_Eastern -
North_African -
North_Atlantic 15.37 Pct
North_Caucasian 1.54 Pct
North_Sea 16.87 Pct
Northeast_African -
Oceanian -
Omotic -
Pygmy -
Siberian -
South_Asian -
South_Central_Asian 0.58 Pct
South_Chinese -
Volga-Ural -
West_African -
West_Caucasian -
West_Med -

Your K15 PCA coordinates are 317 x 95

[Ben Valdem]

Well that explains it. Do you know ancestor's locations of your mother?

Nope


Your K15 PCA coordinates are 317 x 95

What is that?

[xripkan]

Nope but my mother family are of Swedish origin

That makes sense because you seem quite eastern shifted for an Icelandic.

[SharpFork]

Nope



What is that?

He gave you the coordinates of your "genetic position" in a 2d representation of the relation between different, groups, looking at them it's nothing special, very close to normal Scandinavians. Although using the correct coordinates(he probably switched some of them erroneously) you are exactly in between West Norwegians and North Swedes and given West Norwegians are the closest to Icelanders and North Swedes can be considered a mix of Finns and most other Swedes, it seems it does fit your family's background.

[VigVagKesalt]

Nice results! You are so North shifted that if you bang a Lebanese girl her children will plot in North Italy.

[Rædwald]

Nope but my mother family are of Swedish origin

That explains it, welcome to the forum.

[VigVagKesalt]

This is your K15 plotting map.

https://i.imgur.com/J0PndFL.png

[VigVagKesalt]

This is your similarity map. There's no reference for Iceland since they're basically Scandinavians who migrate there.

https://i.imgur.com/dZ36VnV.png

[Leto]

Hello and welcome. You are so Scandinavian :viking1::valkyrie::viking ship

Can you please post Dodecad K12b and HarappaWorld?

[Maintenance]

Nice results

[Kamal900]

Weird that you have Finno-Ugric admixture considering that Icelanders are usually a mixture between Norse men and Gaelic women with few native american women that were brought by the Vikings.

[Maintenance]

Weird that you have Finno-Ugric admixture considering that Icelanders are usually a mixture between Norse men and Gaelic women with few native american women that were brought by the Vikings.

On 23andme he would score a hint of british, i compared him to another northern swede who score very similar.
both get 88 in northern sweden, but this icelandic score a bit more british, less finnish even though myheritage says he got more, also less southern european.

[Kamal900]

On 23andme he would score a hint of british, i compared him to another northern swede who score very similar.
both get 88 in northern sweden, but this icelandic score a bit more british, less finnish even though myheritage says he got more, also less southern european.

I think it's best if he had the G25 coordinates to get more accurate results really since myheritage isn't as good as say 23andMe.

[Maintenance]

I think it's best if he had the G25 coordinates to get more accurate results really since myheritage isn't as good as say 23andMe.

G25 is worse, especially for Scandinavians, and the rest are just wishful thinking made up by people with an agenda.

[Avicenna]

Very unique . Probably the most northern shifted member here in TA. Welcome !

[Kamal900]

G25 is worse, especially for Scandinavians, and the rest are just wishful thinking made up by people with an agenda.

I see. So, what's the best calculator for Scandinavians in your opinion?

[Maintenance]

I see. So, what's the best calculator for Scandinavians in your opinion?

Just normal eurogenes.
Its better for all europeans.

[Ben Valdem]

Hello and welcome. You are so Scandinavian :viking1::valkyrie::viking ship

Can you please post Dodecad K12b and HarappaWorld?

I think Eurogenes is much more accurate

Dodecad K12b

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_European 53.39
2 Atlantic_Med 30.79
3 Gedrosia 7.52
4 Caucasus 6.15
5 Siberian 1
6 Southwest_Asian 0.7
7 South_Asian 0.45

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Swedish (Dodecad) 5.77
2 German (Dodecad) 6.29
3 Norwegian (Dodecad) 7.4
4 Dutch (Dodecad) 10.89
5 Hungarians (Behar) 11.29
6 Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) 11.53
7 CEU30 (1000Genomes) 13.33
8 English (Dodecad) 13.55
9 British_Isles (Dodecad) 13.65
10 Orkney (1000Genomes) 13.91
11 Kent (1000Genomes) 14.04
12 Argyll (1000Genomes) 14.27
13 Orcadian (HGDP) 14.72
14 Irish (Dodecad) 15.07
15 Polish (Dodecad) 15.47
16 British (Dodecad) 15.91
17 Cornwall (1000Genomes) 16.42
18 Mixed_Slav (Dodecad) 18.86
19 Ukranians (Yunusbayev) 19.43
20 French (Dodecad) 19.65

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 56.9% Argyll (1000Genomes) + 43.1% Mixed_Slav (Dodecad) @ 0.63
2 60.9% English (Dodecad) + 39.1% Russian (Dodecad) @ 0.74
3 56.2% Cornwall (1000Genomes) + 43.8% Russian (Dodecad) @ 0.76
4 61.3% CEU30 (1000Genomes) + 38.7% Russian (Dodecad) @ 0.78
5 57% British (Dodecad) + 43% Russian (Dodecad) @ 0.78
6 55.6% Irish (Dodecad) + 44.4% Mixed_Slav (Dodecad) @ 0.8
7 56.2% Orcadian (HGDP) + 43.8% Mixed_Slav (Dodecad) @ 0.83
8 60.2% Irish (Dodecad) + 39.8% Russian_B (Behar) @ 0.85
9 60.8% Orcadian (HGDP) + 39.2% Russian_B (Behar) @ 0.95
10 57.6% Orkney (1000Genomes) + 42.4% Mixed_Slav (Dodecad) @ 0.98
11 93.2% Swedish (Dodecad) + 6.8% Georgians (Behar) @ 0.99
12 61.6% Argyll (1000Genomes) + 38.4% Russian_B (Behar) @ 1.01
13 92.9% Swedish (Dodecad) + 7.1% Abhkasians (Yunusbayev) @ 1.02
14 60% Kent (1000Genomes) + 40% Russian (Dodecad) @ 1.06
15 58.9% British (Dodecad) + 41.1% Russian_B (Behar) @ 1.11
16 62.2% Orkney (1000Genomes) + 37.8% Russian_B (Behar) @ 1.13
17 91.6% Swedish (Dodecad) + 8.4% Balkars (Yunusbayev) @ 1.15
18 91.5% Swedish (Dodecad) + 8.5% Adygei (HGDP) @ 1.2
19 91.7% Swedish (Dodecad) + 8.3% North_Ossetians (Yunusbayev) @ 1.22
20 66% Dutch (Dodecad) + 34% Russian (Dodecad) @ 1.27

Harappa World

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 NE-Euro 59.11
2 Mediterranean 22.94
3 Baloch 8.86
4 Caucasian 6.12
5 Siberian 0.98
6 SW-Asian 0.85
7 American 0.73
8 Papuan 0.41

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 n-european (xing) 8.07
2 ukranian (yunusbayev) 9.01
3 belorussian (behar) 9.33
4 utahn-white (hapmap) 9.75
5 slovenian (xing) 11.15
6 mordovian (yunusbayev) 11.82
7 utahn-white (1000genomes) 11.96
8 orcadian (hgdp) 11.96
9 hungarian (behar) 12.27
10 russian (behar) 12.61
11 british (1000genomes) 12.84
12 russian (hgdp) 13.04
13 lithuanian (behar) 13.72
14 french (hgdp) 20.13
15 chuvash (behar) 23.8
16 finnish (1000genomes) 27.47
17 romanian-a (behar) 27.53
18 bulgarian (yunusbayev) 29.55
19 spaniard (behar) 32.28
20 spaniard (1000genomes) 33.23

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 56.3% belorussian (behar) + 43.7% orcadian (hgdp) @ 1.18
2 51.3% orcadian (hgdp) + 48.7% russian (behar) @ 1.53
3 58.1% belorussian (behar) + 41.9% british (1000genomes) @ 1.76
4 59.6% lithuanian (behar) + 40.4% french (hgdp) @ 1.97
5 60.7% n-european (xing) + 39.3% lithuanian (behar) @ 2.02
6 56.5% belorussian (behar) + 43.5% utahn-white (1000genomes) @ 2.28
7 53.6% utahn-white (1000genomes) + 46.4% lithuanian (behar) @ 2.44
8 70.5% lithuanian (behar) + 29.5% spaniard (behar) @ 2.58
9 51% n-european (xing) + 49% belorussian (behar) @ 2.66
10 57.6% utahn-white (hapmap) + 42.4% russian (hgdp) @ 2.68
11 76.1% n-european (xing) + 23.9% finnish (1000genomes) @ 2.72
12 71.1% lithuanian (behar) + 28.9% spaniard (1000genomes) @ 2.74
13 74.5% utahn-white (hapmap) + 25.5% finnish (1000genomes) @ 2.76
14 50.5% russian (behar) + 49.5% british (1000genomes) @ 2.81
15 70.2% utahn-white (1000genomes) + 29.8% finnish (1000genomes) @ 2.9
16 56.9% utahn-white (hapmap) + 43.1% russian (behar) @ 2.94
17 59.9% n-european (xing) + 40.1% russian (hgdp) @ 2.97
18 60.9% ukranian (yunusbayev) + 39.1% orcadian (hgdp) @ 3.18
19 51.8% british (1000genomes) + 48.2% lithuanian (behar) @ 3.28
20 50.3% mordovian (yunusbayev) + 49.7% orcadian (hgdp) @ 3.3

[Leto]

I think Eurogenes is much more accurate

Well, it depends. I just wanted to check your Gedrosia/Baloch and Caucasian components.

So you are half Icelandic and half Swedish? Born in Iceland?

[Ben Valdem]

Well, it depends. I just wanted to check your Gedrosia/Baloch and Caucasian components.

So you are half Icelandic and half Swedish? Born in Iceland?

Yes my mother family moved to Iceland because of economic problems in Sweden

I'm born in Iceland yes

[Adamastor]

MyHeritage was really accurate for you, they gave you basically the same results as GEDmatch. I think most of these commercial companies and calculators are done with NW Europeans and related populations in mind, so they are generally very accurate for someone with this ancestry.

If you have more southern populations in you background then they start to become shit (I mean, Eurogenes is terrible for people with Italian ancestry, for example).

[Samnium]

MyHeritage was really accurate for you, they gave you basically the same results as GEDmatch. I think most of these commercial companies and calculators are done with NW Europeans and related populations in mind, so they are generally very accurate for someone with this ancestry.

If you have more southern populations in you background then they start to become shit (I mean, Eurogenes is terrible for people with Italian ancestry, for example).

Even more when you have a mixed euro background.

[Leto]

Even more when you have a mixed euro background.
Man, I really wanna see your results. Go ahead and order MyHeritage, it's fucking cheap these days (Valentine's day sale) :D

https://www.myheritage.com/dna
Only $59 (~54 euros)

[Samnium]

Man, I really wanna see your results. Go ahead and order MyHeritage, it's fucking cheap these days (Valentine's day sale) :D

https://www.myheritage.com/dna
Only $59 (~54 euros)

Thanks. I will think about it I'm not very impatient to test me however.

[Leto]

Thanks. I will think about it I'm not very impatient to test me however.
My prediction is that you'd come out as ~20% East Med and 3% Red Sea. However the biggest two components are likely to be North Atlantic and West Med.

[Samnium]

My prediction is that you'd come out as ~20% East Med and 3% Red Sea. However the biggest two components are likely to be North Atlantic and West Med.

Closer to 16% East Med IMO. I don't know how my italian side look like but phenotypically there isn't any "exotic" features or whatever and they are on the lighter side definitely (I've redheads cousins, a blue eyed great-aunt and several others with light eyes, and almost all the children had light brown before turning darker). If we trust "you look what you are" in average, then I don't think that they are outliers like you can see in some southern italian areas. Also remember that's a very isolated area and very endogamous, I'm pretty sure that they married people within a radius of 5km, no more (though I've some apulian as well).

[Norb]

would like to know your YDNA

[Leto]

Closer to 16% East Med IMO. I don't know how my italian side look like but phenotypically there isn't any "exotic" features or whatever and they are on the lighter side definitely (I've redheads cousins, a blue eyed great-aunt and several others with light eyes, and almost all the children had light brown before turning darker). If we trust "you look what you are" in average, then I don't think that they are outliers like you can see in some southern italian areas. Also remember that's a very isolated area and very endogamous, I'm pretty sure that they married people within a radius of 5km, no more (though I've some apulian as well).
16%? French people are at least 10% EM and Calabrians are around 30% according to Sikeliot. But we never know for sure of course.
Apulians are more North European according to him.

[Samnium]

16%? French people are at least 10% EM and Calabrians are around 30% according to Sikeliot. But we never know for sure of course.
Apulians are more North European according to him.

Calabrians so far tested are almost all from Reggio Calabria, Vibo Valentia and Catanzaro. Very few samples from my area, and by the way there is probably a huge variation inside the provinces and the regions. Like you see in Sicily.

French People from Northern France are below 10% East Med by the way.

[Leto]

Calabrians so far tested are almost all from Reggio Calabria, Vibo Valentia and Catanzaro. Very few samples from my area, and by the way there is probably a huge variation inside the provinces and the regions. Like you see in Sicily.

French People from Northern France are below 10% East Med by the way.
I don't think they should be radically different from other Southern Italians. More or less along the same lines.

French average

42.60 North_Atlantic
17.48 Baltic
19.50 West_Med
4.96 West_Asian
10.33 East_Med
2.82 Red_Sea
1.08 South_Asian

On K15 it's below 10%, yes.

[Samnium]

I don't think they should be radically different from other Southern Italians. More or less along the same lines.

French average

42.60 North_Atlantic
17.48 Baltic
19.50 West_Med
4.96 West_Asian
10.33 East_Med
2.82 Red_Sea
1.08 South_Asian

On K15 it's below 10%, yes.

There are Tuscan-like samples in Southern Italy, also I had found a guy with 10% East Anglia in his autosomal results from a city located to 10 km of Mileto, Reggio Calabria (very important city for Normans) but there are also people that match with Jews and Cyprians, so it's hard to tell, really.

If the expression "you look what you are" is true then my italian side isn't surely "jew shifted" and those who have these results have histories of conversos or crypto-jew background that got unearthed by the genetical test as well.

[Leto]

There are Tuscan-like samples in Southern Italy, also I had found a guy with 10% East Anglia in his autosomal results from a city located to 10 km of Mileto, Reggio Calabria (very important city for Normans) but there are also people that match with Jews and Cyprians, so it's hard to tell, really.

If the expression "you look what you are" is true then my italian side isn't surely "jew shifted" and those who have these results have histories of conversos or crypto-jew background that got unearthed by the genetical test as well.
I hope we'll see some day. Your Y DNA is most likely R1b if you're paternally French. France is like 60-70% R1b.
Phenotypical lightness or darkness is not neccesarily a good indicator though. I can't say much about Southern Italy but in other places you can find plenty of relatively dark people with relatively Northern genetics. I mean Albanians are fairly dark for example but they are no less Northern than Tuscans for example.

[Samnium]

I hope we'll see some day. Your Y DNA is most likely R1b if you're paternally French. France is like 60-70% R1b.
Phenotypical lightness or darkness is not neccesarily a good indicator though. I can't say much about Southern Italy but in other places you can find plenty of relatively dark people with relatively Northern genetics. I mean Albanians are fairly dark for example but they are no less Northern than Tuscans for example.

Yes I'm probably R1b but I would be also fine with a J2 :laugh:, it's still possible even in France, only haplogroups that I don't want are E and J1 related.

IMO Albanians show blondness levels in same levels as Tuscans. I had seen an TV emission showing lot of Albanians on a boat fleeing Albania and indeed you see clearly a very good proportion of fair haired guys.

I think it's a good indicator when you make averages, I've seen IRL dozens of italian relatives but I've also hundreds of different pictures and very few/none of them show what you could call "Levantine" or very southernish features. And I'm talking about those who are fully from the are where I'm, I've also half sicilian cousins that I wouldn't count as "typical" because they are half another thing (same for me).

[Token]

Calabrians so far tested are almost all from Reggio Calabria, Vibo Valentia and Catanzaro. Very few samples from my area, and by the way there is probably a huge variation inside the provinces and the regions. Like you see in Sicily.

French People from Northern France are below 10% East Med by the way.

How exactly do you think a northern Calabrian sample would look like?

[Adamastor]

There are Tuscan-like samples in Southern Italy

Can you share one? I never saw a single Calabrian with Tuscan-like results.

[Samnium]

Can you share one? I never saw a single Calabrian with Tuscan-like results.

I think we can discuss of that on another thread like the thread that I had created for the 23andme results, it's off-topic here.

[Ben Valdem]

would like to know your YDNA

I ran my kit in MorleyDNA and it says this is most likely my haplogroup it says I1

I-L813

I1a1b1a4a2

[TheOldNorth]

thats a lot of finnish for a non fin or non part fin, one of your parents or grandparents a fin or swede by any chance?

[Ben Valdem]

thats a lot of finnish for a non fin or non part fin, one of your parents or grandparents a fin or swede by any chance?

Yes my mother is of Swedish origin

[Token]

Yes my mother is of Swedish origin

What part of Sweden specifically?

[Ben Valdem]

What part of Sweden specifically?

I don't honestly know I will ask