Do North Africans plot close to Sardinians??

[jalapeno]

Anyone know?? ..are they related in some ways etc?

[SharpFork]

As I understand no and for many reasons, first because Sardinian appear to have been isolated genetically for millennia and thus have a particula mix of ancient ancestral populations(mainly ENF that is) and their own genetic drift not shared with other populations, second because North Africans also are a particular mix of people even if seemingly less isolated.

[dududud]

No. North African have Anatolian farmer, yes, but mixed with other component = distant to sardinians.

[Synapsid]

No. North African have Anatolian farmer, yes, but mixed with other component = distant to sardinians.

But their biggest components is Sardinian like.

[dududud]

But their biggest components is Sardinian like.

No. They have natufian and other thing. Guess why they are not close to Sardinians? Guess???

[Adamm]

We dont cluster with Sardinians because we have Anatolian + Iberomaurisian, the Iberimaurusian has some SSA component which make us cluster far away from Sardinians but also from the rest of the world.

[Synapsid]

No. They have natufian and other thing. Guess why they are not close to Sardinians? Guess???

They have taforalt related ancestry + minor SA? The Natufians were Iberomasurian influenced (+ 14%) but NA only have neolithic Levant (only at a small amount) not pure natufian. Also I am talk pure pre arab NA. They are like 45-65 Anatolian. That is a large amount.

[Adamm]

They have taforalt related ancestry + minor SA? The Natufians were Iberomasurian influenced (+ 14%) but NA only have neolithic Levant (only at a small amount) not pure natufian. Also I am talk pure pre arab NA. They are like 45-65 Anatolian. That is a large amount.

Target: Adam_scaled
Distance: 3.5530% / 0.03552968
38.8 Anatolia_Epipaleolithic
23.8 MAR_Taforalt
18.8 Levant_Natufian
5.2 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
4.8 Caspian_steppe_Eneolithic
4.8 Gambian
3.0 Caucasus_Mesolithic
0.8 Western_Hunter-Gatherer

This is what Davidski gave me, Iberomaurusian + Anatolian + Levant

[Adamm]

dubbel

[Adamastor]

North Africans are like 40% Sardinian, 30% Iberomaurusian, 30% Levant

[Synapsid]

Target: Adam_scaled
Distance: 3.5530% / 0.03552968
38.8 Anatolia_Epipaleolithic
23.8 MAR_Taforalt
18.8 Levant_Natufian
5.2 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
4.8 Caspian_steppe_Eneolithic
4.8 Gambian
3.0 Caucasus_Mesolithic
0.8 Western_Hunter-Gatherer

This is what Davidski gave me, Iberomaurusian + Anatolian + Levant

It was not pure natufian that migrated to new Africa during the neolithic but an mixed Levant_N component that was Natufian + Zagros farmer. Hence why IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N comes up.

[Synapsid]

North Africans are like 40% Sardinian, 30% Iberomaurusian, 30% Levant

IMO I am now convinced that proto african Asiatic where old stock levantines. From Arabia to morroco to Egypt to East Africa, all leads lead to neolithic Levant.

[Kamal900]

IMO I am now convinced that proto african Asiatic where old stock levantines. From Arabia to morroco to Egypt to East Africa.

Not really. There's far more likely chance they came from the coastal lines of East Africa than anything really. The Omotic peoples today speak an Afroasiatic branch that is very basal.

[Kamal900]

IMO I am now convinced that proto african Asiatic where old stock levantines. From Arabia to morroco to Egypt to East Africa, all leads lead to neolithic Levant.

Here's a thread that you can read on the whole thing:
https://anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?19442-Iberomaurasians-and-Proto-Afroasiatic/page9&p=643755#post643755

[Nassbean]

That's where I plot I'm quite far from sardinians actually :

https://i.imgur.com/wHjcXLj.jpg

[Synapsid]

Not really. There's far more likely chance they came from the coastal lines of East Africa than anything really. The Omotic peoples today speak an Afroasiatic branch that is very basal.

they may be linguistically conservative, but there was significant population change in East Africa after the Neolithic. In the Neolithic, there was a Luxmanda sample dating to 3000 bp that showed 60% Levant_N ancestry and 40% E. African hunter gatherer ancestry. They were the eareliest pastorialist south of the Sahara, and they brought near eastern lithic technology with them that was alien in the region. Then, last summer there a seminal paper by Reich et al that showed that this pastoral technology was introduced into East Africa by a levant source population that reached lake Turkana via what is now N. Sudan. The Pastoral Neolithic (PN) was over 5,000 bp, two thousand year older than the Luxmanda culture. The PN showed the same genetic profile as Luxmanda, 60% Levant_M/Pre-poterry Neolithic B (PPNB) and 40% East African HG. So Horner like population groups are old, really old, which is why I kinda get pissed of when Aframs or whites say that Horners are 'blacks (ergo Bantu/West Africans) mixed with Arabs, when they predate the existance of Arab or West African grroups. PN samples and the younger Luxmanda sample was dated to around the same time the Levant neolithic population were spreading to North Africa (who were at that time a mix of Sardinia like Iberian Farmers and Iberomasurian) and Arabia was fully populated by a group with pastrolial technology from the North, where there was the advanced Pre-Poterry Neolithic B culture (in the Levant and S. Anatolia) that domesticates new crops and animals. Then around the Bronze age, you have an increase in West African related ancestry and resurgence of East Africa HG ancestry in East Africa outside the Horn, where the was a linguistic shift to what is probably old stock East African languages (nilotic) and a new alien West African language group called Bantu. Luxmanda related ancestry declined everywhere in what is now Kenya, and Tanzania, with the Horn of Africa being the homeland of this relic neolithic population in the form of modern Somalis and Ethiopians. The omotic may have been a bizzare exception to this rule, suffering the same population replacement of East Africa but continued to speak a old basal/conservative Afro Asiatic language.
i genuinely believe now that old stock levantines that resembled Saudi Arabs and Ancient Egyptians were the first afro-asiatic speakers.

[Synapsid]

That's where I plot I'm quite far from sardinians actually :

https://i.imgur.com/wHjcXLj.jpg

Its was Iberian Farmers, not Sardinians, that brought west med to NA.

[Synapsid]

Here's a thread that you can read on the whole thing:
https://anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?19442-Iberomaurasians-and-Proto-Afroasiatic/page9&p=643755#post643755

He is going by linguistic evidence, not genetics.

[Nassbean]

Its was Iberian Farmers, not Sardinians, that brought west med to NA.

Indeed I never said or imply the opposite. Btw do you have any idea why I scored some sardinian % on myheritage while other north africans tend to score italian ?

[Synapsid]

Indeed I never said or imply the opposite. Btw do you have any idea why I scored some sardinian % on myheritage while other north africans tend to score italian ?

Post bronze age Migration. Tunisians get more Italian because of Carthaginian trade and Italic settler during Roman times.

[Nassbean]

Post bronze age Migration. Tunisians get more Italian because of Carthaginian trade and Italic settler during Roman times.

Yes I'm aware of this but i'm not tunisian and share absolutely no link with tunisia. Also I doubt Myheritage goes that far and deep into ancestry

[Synapsid]

Here's a thread that you can read on the whole thing:
https://anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?19442-Iberomaurasians-and-Proto-Afroasiatic/page9&p=643755#post643755

Actually i was wrong. PN had 50% Levant_N, not 60%

Target: KEN_Early_Pastoral_N
Distance: 5.4780% / 0.05478022
50.2 Levant_Natufian
24.2 ETH_4500BP
22.2 Dinka
2.8 IRN_Seh_Gabi_LN
0.6 MAR_Taforalt

Target: Levant_JOR_EBA
Distance: 3.8847% / 0.03884715
43.2 Levant_Natufian
38.0 IRN_Hajji_Firuz_C
14.2 Anatolia_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
4.6 IRN_Seh_Gabi_C


Target: EGY_Hellenistic
Distance: 4.7787% / 0.04778666
48.2 Levant_Natufian
33.0 IRN_Hajji_Firuz_C
8.4 Anatolia_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
8.0 Anatolia_Kumtepe_N
2.4 Dinka

[Synapsid]

We dont cluster with Sardinians because we have Anatolian + Iberomaurisian, the Iberimaurusian has some SSA component which make us cluster far away from Sardinians but also from the rest of the world.

I find it hilarious that there was once a Somali like population that lived on the Gates Europe long ago

[Synapsid]

Yes I'm aware of this but i'm not tunisian and share absolutely no link with tunisia. Also I doubt Myheritage goes that far and deep into ancestry

There were Romans in Morc as well. But some say that there was neolithic farmer population that also settled in NA, along side the Iberian farmers. This farmer population was very Sicilian like (excluding the post neolithic East Med in Sicilians).