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Kaspias

02-11-2020, 08:14 PM

Step-1

I definitely can't guarantee it since mixing occurred occasionally among Turks and have no certain borders between some ethnic groups but i aim to reach Oghuz's here. So modeled all Balkan Turks to see if they have Tatar admixture or not, removed from the list the ones which score any other Turkic but Turkmen.

https://i.ibb.co/k2B0rNw/1-lk-Model.png

Step-2

I modeled these four.

https://i.ibb.co/ryk0yc5/2-Ba-lamadan-nce.png
https://i.ibb.co/JjhHrgs/3-Ba-lamadan-nce-Aggregate.png

Step-3

I extracted and got the coordinates. During the process, i realized that the Macedonia sample i used has Romani ancestry, so i removed it.

Sample: Kardzhali

East Eurasian: 38.4%

Distance to: Kardzhali_Oghuz
0.09677204 Scythian_Zevakino_Chilikta_IA
0.09969356 KAZ_Turk
0.10298960 MNG_Xiong_Nu_Central_Asian
0.10526520 KAZ_Kimak
0.10547171 KAZ_Karluk
0.10624343 KAZ_Kipchak
0.10764744 Saka_Kazakh_steppe
0.11047117 RUS_Nomad_MA
0.11066311 Hun_Tian_Shan
0.11087065 MNG_Hovsgol_BA_o2
0.11350078 Scythian_RUS_Urals
0.11397353 RUS_Altai_IA
0.11443844 Anatolia_Ottoman
0.11473184 KAZ_Karakhanid
0.11554617 Scythian_Aldy_Bel_IA
0.12173729 CHN_Shirenzigou_IA
0.13082679 Saka_Tian_Shan
0.13233854 KAZ_Tasbas_IA
0.13543866 KAZ_Nomad_MA
0.13604847 KAZ_Nomad_IA
0.13865701 KAZ_Alpamsa_MLBA_Alakul
0.14454270 MDA_Cimmerian
0.14706413 KAZ_Molaly_LBA
0.15380884 KGZ_Turk
0.15419220 RUS_Karasuk

Distance to: Kardzhali_Oghuz
0.09016820 Uzbek
0.09952078 Hazara_Afghanistan
0.10306239 Uygur
0.10514663 Hazara
0.11297191 Bashkir
0.11405375 Nogai
0.11637979 Turkmen_Uzbekistan
0.11651902 Tatar_Siberian
0.12274536 Turkmen
0.12806590 Karakalpak
0.14254495 Tatar_Lipka
0.14877153 Maori
0.15170193 Kazakh
0.15470174 Tubalar
0.15509202 Tatar_Siberian_Zabolotniye
0.16225182 Tajik
0.16502795 Burusho
0.16523125 Yukagir_Forest
0.16593973 Tlingit
0.16613450 Udmurt
0.16687048 Besermyan
0.16773406 Shor_Mountain
0.17170610 Shor_Khakassia
0.17298532 Shor
0.17420578 Tatar_Kazan

Sample: Varna

East Eurasian: 35.4%

Distance to: Varna_Oghuz
0.13890397 Scythian_Zevakino_Chilikta_IA
0.13922097 KAZ_Kipchak
0.13978045 Hun_Tian_Shan
0.14072134 KAZ_Turk
0.14245938 Anatolia_Ottoman
0.14570504 Scythian_RUS_Urals
0.14721976 Saka_Kazakh_steppe
0.14984178 Saka_Tian_Shan
0.15156551 RUS_Altai_IA
0.15276583 MNG_Hovsgol_BA_o2
0.15649160 RUS_Nomad_MA
0.15863635 MNG_Xiong_Nu_Central_Asian
0.16041067 KAZ_Alpamsa_MLBA_Alakul
0.16177323 KAZ_Tasbas_IA
0.16212372 MDA_Cimmerian
0.16337812 KAZ_Karluk
0.16350015 KAZ_Nomad_IA
0.16568038 RUS_Karasuk
0.16587064 Scythian_Aldy_Bel_IA
0.16731960 KAZ_Karakhanid
0.17029886 KAZ_Kimak
0.17089872 KAZ_Molaly_LBA
0.17629384 KAZ_Wusun
0.17663483 KAZ_Nomad_MA
0.17756989 CHN_Shirenzigou_IA

Distance to: Varna_Oghuz
0.14509573 Uzbek
0.14708009 Turkmen_Uzbekistan
0.15247783 Turkmen
0.15290435 Hazara_Afghanistan
0.15354812 Bashkir
0.15907864 Uygur
0.16085437 Nogai
0.16157260 Tatar_Siberian
0.16377144 Hazara
0.17400918 Karakalpak
0.17718740 Tatar_Lipka
0.17950798 Tajik
0.18270334 Burusho
0.18493241 Udmurt
0.18695353 Besermyan
0.19049638 Tatar_Kazan
0.19148741 Yukagir_Forest
0.19281342 Tatar_Siberian_Zabolotniye
0.19391955 Tajik_Ishkashim
0.19424172 Kho_Singanali
0.19639810 Tajik_Shugnan
0.19877517 Kazakh
0.19949824 Tajik_Rushan
0.19999058 Chuvash
0.20046361 Tubalar

Sample: Thrace

East Eurasian: 39.4%

Distance to: Thrace_Oghuz
0.09981770 Scythian_Zevakino_Chilikta_IA
0.10604145 MNG_Hovsgol_BA_o2
0.10622411 KAZ_Kipchak
0.10654063 RUS_Altai_IA
0.10687522 Saka_Kazakh_steppe
0.10695485 Hun_Tian_Shan
0.11009038 Scythian_RUS_Urals
0.11078927 KAZ_Turk
0.11521661 Anatolia_Ottoman
0.11810009 RUS_Nomad_MA
0.12313753 MNG_Xiong_Nu_Central_Asian
0.12403756 Saka_Tian_Shan
0.12636848 KAZ_Alpamsa_MLBA_Alakul
0.12878738 Scythian_Aldy_Bel_IA
0.13238042 KAZ_Karluk
0.13328710 KAZ_Nomad_IA
0.13388552 KAZ_Tasbas_IA
0.13442607 KAZ_Karakhanid
0.13526141 KAZ_Kimak
0.13976860 RUS_Karasuk
0.14243619 MDA_Cimmerian
0.14313351 KAZ_Nomad_MA
0.14347551 CHN_Shirenzigou_IA
0.14640993 RUS_Krasnoyarsk_MLBA_o
0.14798643 KAZ_Molaly_LBA

Distance to: Thrace_Oghuz
0.11311023 Bashkir
0.11527744 Tatar_Siberian
0.12075092 Uzbek
0.12710239 Turkmen_Uzbekistan
0.12989701 Hazara_Afghanistan
0.13009948 Nogai
0.13324712 Turkmen
0.13469246 Uygur
0.13800402 Hazara
0.14270297 Tatar_Siberian_Zabolotniye
0.14308569 Karakalpak
0.14883822 Yukagir_Forest
0.15485993 Udmurt
0.15744596 Tatar_Lipka
0.15875851 Tubalar
0.16120746 Besermyan
0.16843667 Kazakh
0.17111833 Tajik
0.17150055 Shor_Mountain
0.17202217 Mansi
0.17282107 Shor_Khakassia
0.17287921 Tatar_Kazan
0.17355490 Tlingit
0.17609774 Shor
0.17695017 Chuvash

This part of the thread investigates the period after Iranic-Turkic mixing. Only Balkan removed, Turkic and Iranic admixtures remain.

Sample: Kardzhali

East Eurasian: 24.2%

Distance to: Kardzali(Seljuk)
0.09551799 Anatolia_Ottoman
0.09609778 KAZ_Molaly_LBA
0.10261440 Anatolia_IA
0.10300953 Gepidian_SRB_ACD
0.10335453 KAZ_Wusun
0.10407747 TJK_Ksirov_H_Kushan
0.10492586 Saka_Tian_Shan
0.10511426 MDA_Cimmerian
0.10641568 KAZ_Turk
0.10769690 ITA_Collegno_MA_o2
0.10955557 KAZ_Tasbas_IA
0.11273723 Hun_Tian_Shan
0.11346080 KAZ_Nomad_IA
0.11364310 PAK_Singoor_MA
0.11527337 KAZ_Kangju
0.11605049 KAZ_Turk_o
0.11684882 PAK_Udegram_MA_Ghaznavid
0.12470674 KAZ_Alpamsa_MLBA_Alakul
0.12603760 Scythian_Zevakino_Chilikta_IA
0.12711979 RUS_Nomad_MA
0.13001787 Scythian_RUS_Urals
0.13012790 Saka_Kazakh_steppe_o1
0.13042245 PAK_Loebanr_IA_o
0.13067757 KAZ_Taldysay_MLBA2
0.13087611 UZB_Sappali_Tepe_BA_o

Distance to: Kardzali(Seljuk)
0.06376644 Turkmen
0.06789007 Turkmen_Uzbekistan
0.07141652 Tajik
0.09399109 Turkish_South
0.09875106 Tajik_Shugnan
0.10151489 Tajik_Ishkashim
0.10283414 Turkish_Southwest
0.10302330 Turkish_North
0.10305354 Turkish_Balikesir
0.10360742 Tajik_Rushan
0.10405351 Tatar_Lipka
0.10692790 Turkish_Aydin
0.10800258 Turkish_Northwest
0.10922179 Uzbek
0.10981933 Tajik_Yagnobi
0.11436141 Kho_Singanali
0.12037790 Uthmankhel
0.12160606 Tarkalani
0.12164925 Pashtun
0.12211435 Parsi_Pakistan
0.12261411 Burusho
0.12279989 Parsi_India
0.12438151 Roma_Balkans
0.12459970 Turkish_Central
0.12560506 Yusufzai

Sample: Varna

East Eurasian: 20.0%

Distance to: Varna(Seljuk)
0.09275689 Anatolia_IA
0.09304237 TJK_Ksirov_H_Kushan
0.10012577 PAK_Udegram_MA_Ghaznavid
0.10213713 KAZ_Turk_o
0.10263621 KAZ_Wusun
0.10291447 KAZ_Kangju
0.10496823 PAK_Singoor_MA
0.10852050 KAZ_Molaly_LBA
0.11362536 KAZ_Taldysay_MLBA2
0.11437597 PAK_Loebanr_IA_o
0.11453099 Saka_Kazakh_steppe_o1
0.11510555 UZB_Sappali_Tepe_BA_o
0.11580069 MDA_Cimmerian
0.11732699 Saka_Tian_Shan
0.11792376 Gepidian_SRB_ACD
0.11860000 Saka_Kazakh_steppe_o2
0.11860314 Anatolia_Ottoman
0.12048519 ITA_Collegno_MA_o2
0.12436534 Saka_Tian_Shan_o
0.12475339 KAZ_Georgievsky2_LBA
0.12509106 ARM_Lchashen_MBA
0.12545774 RUS_Alan_MA
0.12683843 TKM_IA
0.12738960 UZB_Dzharkutan2_BA
0.12816174 KAZ_Tasbas_IA

Distance to: Varna(Seljuk)
0.07445176 Tajik
0.08061572 Turkish_South
0.08618213 Turkish_Southwest
0.08956043 Turkmen
0.09266570 Tajik_Shugnan
0.09442659 Tajik_Rushan
0.09444078 Turkmen_Uzbekistan
0.09470284 Turkish_North
0.09485069 Turkish_Balikesir
0.09509003 Turkish_Northwest
0.09590622 Tajik_Ishkashim
0.09596466 Turkish_Aydin
0.09678721 Tajik_Yagnobi
0.10678010 Parsi_Pakistan
0.10756614 Parsi_India
0.11047532 Azeri
0.11052714 Kumyk
0.11073755 Turkish_Central
0.11127781 Kho_Singanali
0.11130255 Tarkalani
0.11164808 Abazin
0.11275766 Uthmankhel
0.11293070 Iranian_Seyyed
0.11344165 Roma_Balkans
0.11405250 Azeri_Dagestan

Sample: Thrace

East Eurasian: 29.6%

Distance to: Thrace(Seljuk)
0.08766850 Anatolia_Ottoman
0.09888679 Saka_Tian_Shan
0.09965093 Hun_Tian_Shan
0.10017999 KAZ_Turk
0.10739563 KAZ_Molaly_LBA
0.10748945 MDA_Cimmerian
0.10914344 Scythian_Zevakino_Chilikta_IA
0.11001689 KAZ_Tasbas_IA
0.11075532 KAZ_Nomad_IA
0.11079673 KAZ_Alpamsa_MLBA_Alakul
0.11333113 KAZ_Wusun
0.11384080 Scythian_RUS_Urals
0.11706910 RUS_Nomad_MA
0.11817922 KAZ_Kipchak
0.12483883 Gepidian_SRB_ACD
0.12688952 RUS_Karasuk
0.12895866 KAZ_Kangju
0.13107510 KAZ_Turk_o
0.13112831 RUS_Altai_IA
0.13152051 Saka_Kazakh_steppe
0.13351258 KAZ_Zevakinskiy_LBA
0.13353751 Anatolia_IA
0.13497366 TJK_Ksirov_H_Kushan
0.13632060 MNG_Hovsgol_BA_o2
0.13634383 KAZ_Taldysay_MLBA2

Distance to: Thrace(Seljuk)
0.08133391 Turkmen_Uzbekistan
0.08248447 Turkmen
0.10874101 Tajik
0.11366405 Uzbek
0.11950582 Tatar_Lipka
0.12381589 Bashkir
0.12498031 Turkish_South
0.12884008 Tajik_Shugnan
0.13165995 Turkish_Southwest
0.13181392 Tajik_Ishkashim
0.13255271 Tatar_Kazan
0.13481234 Tajik_Rushan
0.13565338 Besermyan
0.13767532 Turkish_Balikesir
0.13823701 Udmurt
0.13850392 Turkish_Aydin
0.13902066 Turkish_Northwest
0.13949674 Turkish_North
0.14170509 Kho_Singanali
0.14232991 Tatar_Siberian
0.14264942 Hazara_Afghanistan
0.14473408 Tajik_Yagnobi
0.14777056 Burusho
0.15084939 Uygur
0.15101585 Nogai

*Final modeling by using the output*

Early Turkic

https://i.ibb.co/ZKcVdH3/oghuzmodel.png

Conquerors

https://i.ibb.co/m8q5FXv/Seljukmodel.png

Coordinates, scaled.

Kardzhali(Early),0.092387319,-0.119856527,0.000740534,0.022715519,-0.012042335,0.006682624,0.007639516,-0.019985706,-0.018133946,-0.011311353,-0.016270343,-1.03791E-06,0.035758505,-0.035811503,0.020902523,0.004216555,-0.020218984,0.009176202,0.033400946,-0.041770116,-0.019417096,-0.008339063,-0.017402373,0.024592341,0.013474734
Thrace(Early),0.064549906,-0.097308117,0.035680632,0.029688176,-0.064968756,-0.022517175,-0.000542685,0.026188579,-0.031221459,-0.031033231,-0.005720872,-0.004524551,0.005230616,-0.044674971,-0.004292083,0.054226606,0.03844851,0.00592982,0.01 8846993,0.028152259,0.00111351,-0.007417834,-0.009191856,0.042421965,-0.006623725
Varna(Early),0.06506573,-0.082878649,0.024880188,0.018425212,-0.070991511,0.027679192,0.008491087,0.046662595,-0.01519051,0.012485234,-0.017742686,-0.013682413,-0.010243339,-0.022707085,0.034301795,0.059725417,0.053399441,0. 001643213,-0.028543863,0.010472582,0.002954955,-0.000770767,-0.016967638,0.057732247,-0.051271713
Kardzhali(Late),0.089206441,-0.019093676,-0.027174746,-0.008376217,-0.022255763,-0.001596444,0.004428779,-0.014446235,-0.01542901,-0.010235216,-0.007027451,-0.002647173,0.026446128,-0.021007808,0.012822564,0.00884677,-0.012869299,0.005754664,0.019007644,-0.024302018,-0.010425378,-0.004387486,-0.009796865,0.012862487,0.008033515
Thrace(Late),0.069546986,-0.034108761,0.007679733,0.000835044,-0.053515919,-0.023059786,-0.001402177,0.015965194,-0.021179033,-0.023045215,-0.001621065,-0.006306657,0.010575653,-0.032329261,-0.002897252,0.043699069,0.026933714,0.004588142,0. 013250749,0.021384321,0.00149483,-0.004005935,-0.006950395,0.030263906,-0.005220569
Varna(Late),0.076713868,0.015699684,-0.022132615,-0.010218625,-0.055030146,0.010107053,0.005297009,0.01849036,-0.018174096,-0.000571806,-0.006876377,-0.008199434,0.000190444,-0.011858004,0.017942517,0.034936642,0.02255338,0.0 01543916,-0.012626638,0.001868582,0.001531176,-0.001145645,-0.007585505,0.025195903,-0.022540232

Kyp

02-11-2020, 08:22 PM

Nice work

andre

02-11-2020, 08:25 PM

Good work Kaspias! the turkish ethnogenesis process it’s so interesting.

itilvolga

02-11-2020, 08:31 PM

Good job! Those who claim that Balkan Turks are convert Europeans due to their phenotypes will not like it lol

Kivan

02-11-2020, 08:42 PM

Good work

Good job! Those who claim that Balkan Turks are convert Europeans due to their phenotypes will not like it lol
Not even about only phenotype. I noticed some Balkan dipshits here like to say all aesthetically good looking Turks are European/Slavs converts, janissaries, etc

Kayra

02-12-2020, 09:21 AM

Awesome!

Where is the Thrace sample from?

Kaspias

02-12-2020, 09:42 AM

Awesome!

Where is the Thrace sample from?

Komotini.

Kaspias

02-13-2020, 09:06 AM

What about investigating Anatolia_Ottoman samples regarding the output?

MA2195 evaluated as an outlier by many of us. Being a lack of SA elements was pointing out migration route was the north of the Caspian Sea instead of throughout Seljuks. MA2196 was clearly half Anatolian. I'm not going to comment on MA2195 specifically, but wanted to share single population sharing.

Distance to: Anatolia_Ottoman:MA2195
0.03875305 KAZ_Kipchak
0.04180672 KAZ_Karakhanid
0.04580906 KAZ_Karluk
0.06089909 KAZ_Kimak
0.06199291 KAZ_Nomad_MA
0.06682329 MNG_Xiong_Nu_Central_Asian
0.06862915 Scythian_Zevakino_Chilikta_IA
0.06925126 Saka_Kazakh_steppe
0.06944271 CHN_Shirenzigou_IA
0.07200466 KAZ_Turk
0.07485360 Varna(Early)
0.07530561 RUS_Altai_IA
0.07540373 RUS_Nomad_MA
0.07853828 MNG_Hovsgol_BA_o2
0.08183843 KGZ_Turk
0.08289428 Scythian_Aldy_Bel_IA
0.09070867 KAZ_Pazyryk_IA
0.09745264 Scythian_RUS_Urals
0.10000337 Hun_Tian_Shan
0.10939117 RUS_Baikal_N
0.11639145 Thrace(Early)
0.11673387 Kardzhali(Early)
0.12957452 KAZ_Tasbas_IA
0.13245912 Saka_Tian_Shan
0.13454091 KAZ_Alpamsa_MLBA_Alakul

And MA2196:

Distance to: Anatolia_Ottoman:MA2196
0.06911354 Kardzhali(Late)
0.07485360 Anatolia_Ottoman
0.07552551 Varna(Late)
0.07951729 Gepidian_SRB_ACD
0.08035176 Anatolia_IA
0.08300162 KAZ_Molaly_LBA
0.08906136 MDA_Cimmerian
0.08908641 ITA_Collegno_MA_o2
0.09039927 Thrace(Late)
0.09099818 KAZ_Wusun
0.09177305 Saka_Tian_Shan
0.09405821 TJK_Ksirov_H_Kushan
0.09756633 KAZ_Tasbas_IA
0.09779218 KAZ_Turk
0.09894617 KAZ_Kangju
0.10373275 Hun_Tian_Shan
0.10446857 KAZ_Turk_o
0.10500892 KAZ_Nomad_IA
0.10998649 KAZ_Alpamsa_MLBA_Alakul
0.11350938 Saka_Kazakh_steppe_o2
0.11548031 RUS_Nomad_MA
0.11578196 Saka_Kazakh_steppe_o1
0.11727708 PAK_Udegram_MA_Ghaznavid
0.11798304 Scythian_RUS_Urals
0.11884897 KAZ_Chanchar2_LBA

Well, Late(Turkic+Iranic) admixture seems closer to MA2196(Turkic+Anatolian). Then it should be modeled as Early + Anatolian?

Target: Anatolia_Ottoman:MA2196
Distance: 4.2438% / 0.04243828
54.0 Early
46.0 Greek_Trabzon

Target: Anatolia_Ottoman:MA2196
Distance: 4.1949% / 0.04194904
51.8 Early
38.6 Greek_Trabzon
9.6 Iranian_Fars

Target: Anatolia_Ottoman:MA2196
Distance: 4.3426% / 0.04342639
51.2 Early
29.2 Greek_Central_Anatolia
19.6 Iranian_Fars

Interesting. Let's try to subtract that Anatolian.

East Eurasian: 40.6%

Distance to: MA2196-FINAL2
0.05961202 Scythian_Zevakino_Chilikta_IA
0.06030310 Saka_Kazakh_steppe
0.06178376 KAZ_Kipchak
0.06903275 KAZ_Turk
0.06934764 Scythian_RUS_Urals
0.07089940 MNG_Hovsgol_BA_o2
0.07161679 RUS_Nomad_MA
0.07166341 RUS_Altai_IA
0.07255970 MNG_Xiong_Nu_Central_Asian
0.07360768 KAZ_Kimak
0.07576704 Scythian_Aldy_Bel_IA
0.07944565 Hun_Tian_Shan
0.08001883 KAZ_Karluk
0.08450027 KAZ_Karakhanid
0.09356038 CHN_Shirenzigou_IA
0.10033347 KAZ_Nomad_MA
0.10838741 Saka_Tian_Shan
0.10887848 KAZ_Alpamsa_MLBA_Alakul
0.10946608 KAZ_Tasbas_IA
0.11339399 Kardzhali(Early)
0.11373086 Thrace(Early)
0.11480775 KGZ_Turk
0.11748373 KAZ_Nomad_IA
0.12141368 KAZ_Pazyryk_IA
0.12565169 MDA_Cimmerian
0.12604781 Thrace(Late)
0.12623229 RUS_Karasuk
0.12952797 RUS_Krasnoyarsk_MLBA_o
0.13388222 KAZ_Molaly_LBA
0.13542495 RUS_Okunevo_BA
0.14015116 RUS_Baikal_N
0.14177527 Varna(Early)
0.14499326 Kardzhali(Late)
0.14892592 Gepidian_SRB_ACD
0.14898881 KAZ_Kanai_MBA
0.14928653 RUS_Yana_UP
0.14962095 KAZ_Zevakinskiy_LBA
0.15200160 FIN_Levanluhta_IA
0.15229892 RUS_Bolshoy_Oleni_Ostrov
0.15470479 RUS_Tagar
0.15554570 KAZ_Wusun
0.16110685 KAZ_Kazakh_steppe_EMBA
0.16681674 KAZ_Kairan_MLBA_o
0.16703443 RUS_Chalmny-Varre
0.16724371 Varna(Late)
0.16928775 RUS_Mezhovskaya
0.17011198 KAZ_Zevakinskiy_MLBA
0.17041202 RUS_Bolshoy_Oleni_Ostrov_o
0.18051676 KAZ_Chanchar2_LBA
0.18300993 KAZ_Kangju

Distance to: MA2196-FINAL2
0.07021558 Bashkir
0.07106130 Tatar_Siberian
0.07790763 Nogai
0.07796508 Uzbek
0.08643424 Hazara_Afghanistan
0.08874931 Uygur
0.09330359 Hazara
0.09444523 Karakalpak
0.11339399 Kardzhali(Early)
0.11373086 Thrace(Early)
0.11533802 Yukagir_Forest
0.11596812 Tatar_Siberian_Zabolotniye
0.11972607 Tubalar
0.12411194 Tatar_Lipka
0.12446333 Kazakh
0.12604781 Thrace(Late)
0.13476004 Tlingit
0.13521285 Shor_Mountain
0.13860156 Shor
0.14112454 Shor_Khakassia
0.14157376 Udmurt
0.14177527 Varna(Early)
0.14471937 Besermyan
0.14499326 Kardzhali(Late)
0.15373089 Khakass
0.15431661 Tatar_Kazan
0.15604521 Mari
0.15670971 Chuvash
0.15814648 Mansi
0.16242534 Saami
0.16246448 Kirghiz
0.16286593 Tajik
0.16724371 Varna(Late)
0.16744872 Khanty
0.16775551 Greenlander_West
0.17187636 Maori
0.17377894 Burusho
0.17954877 Ket
0.18493429 Komi
0.18537755 Tatar_Mishar
0.18594802 Tajik_Ishkashim
0.18642019 Tajik_Shugnan
0.18773265 Kho_Singanali
0.19076977 Khakass_Kachins
0.19104388 Tajik_Rushan
0.19127178 Altaian
0.20234786 Jatt_Pathak
0.20263842 Pashtun
0.20467317 Ror
0.20474344 Kashmiri_Pandit

MA2196-Turkic,0.070099395,-0.112688324,0.048657275,0.015738876,-0.050822764,-0.001890228,-0.008573032,0.001374683,0.014559389,-0.025013443,-0.022689157,-0.017016018,-0.012012775,-0.015731736,0.018532914,0.007401395,0.013789276,-0.001232639,0.001395598,-0.015318545,-0.012946311,-0.000147727,-0.014218602,0.008393974,0.010303555

A flashback to past: A closer look to Huns (https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?313596-A-closer-look-to-Huns)

Let's see all in a PCA:

https://i.ibb.co/qNBCm1c/pcatr.jpg

Seems ACD1108 tries to tell something to us...

https://i.ibb.co/MCZhHMQ/clustering.jpg

Kaspias

02-15-2020, 03:57 PM

I realized i didn't model the samples which i used:

https://i.ibb.co/y4DJwRJ/Ads-z.png

Distances are shining.

Kyp

02-15-2020, 04:02 PM

Can you try a model for Azeris or Kars/Igdir?

Kaspias

02-15-2020, 04:28 PM

Can you try a model for Azeris or Kars/Igdir?

https://i.ibb.co/SxXqV9s/Ads-z.png

Iranic:IRN_Ganj_Dareh_Historic,0.094473,0.111708,-0.053551,-0.027455,-0.044316,-0.003347,0.00376,-0.004384,-0.03027,-0.016037,0.004709,-0.004046,0.005649,0.008533,0.004072,-0.002121,-0.022948,-0.004434,0.005531,-0.009755,-0.002496,-0.002844,0.001849,-0.008194,-0.001796
Iranic:IRN_Hajji_Firuz_IA,0.095611,0.111708,-0.069767,-0.036176,-0.047393,0.003626,-0.00235,-0.001846,-0.043155,-0.019499,0.003897,-0.002997,0.008771,0.002615,0.00095,0.009679,-0.010561,0.012922,0.006788,-0.003627,-0.003868,-0.013107,-0.004067,-0.004699,0.007664
Iranic:UZB_Sappali_Tepe_BA_o,0.08992,0.098506,-0.054305,0.000646,-0.047701,0.00502,-0.00329,-0.002308,-0.030883,-0.015308,0.001624,0.004346,0.001487,-0.010872,0.011943,0.006364,-0.004172,0.005321,0.012696,-0.012881,-0.004617,-0.000247,-0.001972,0.002771,0.006706
Caucasian:ARM_Lchashen_MBA,0.102441,0.112724,-0.0397865,-0.0166345,-0.0426235,-0.0073905,0.00094,-0.0075,-0.044484,-0.0229615,0.0103115,0.005845,-0.0043855,-0.0057115,0.006379,0.0034475,0.013234,0.000317,0.0 0044,0.0031265,-0.0008735,-0.001917,-0.003204,0.003916,-0.0011975
Caucasian:ARM_LBA,0.100544,0.122879,-0.0314267,-0.0117357,-0.035699,0.0013017,0.00376,-0.0116917,-0.0465633,-0.0213217,-0.0052507,0.002348,-0.005996,-0.0046333,0.0093197,-0.005878,-0.0009127,0.000718,0.002011,0.0056277,-0.0056567,-0.0014427,0.0077647,-0.0022893,0.002954
Caucasian:RUS_Alan_MA,0.1099532,0.1045994,-0.025418,-0.0089794,-0.0262818,0.0051316,0.0054522,-0.0072458,-0.0456908,-0.0248206,0.0028256,0.0098314,-0.0166796,-0.0065784,0.005809,-0.002758,0.005372,-0.0059036,-0.0057318,0.0034768,0.003893,0.006529,0.0015532,-0.0004094,-0.0036644
Turkic:Kardzhali(Late),0.089206441,-0.019093676,-0.027174746,-0.008376217,-0.022255763,-0.001596444,0.004428779,-0.014446235,-0.01542901,-0.010235216,-0.007027451,-0.002647173,0.026446128,-0.021007808,0.012822564,0.00884677,-0.012869299,0.005754664,0.019007644,-0.024302018,-0.010425378,-0.004387486,-0.009796865,0.012862487,0.008033515
Turkic:Thrace(Late),0.069546986,-0.034108761,0.007679733,0.000835044,-0.053515919,-0.023059786,-0.001402177,0.015965194,-0.021179033,-0.023045215,-0.001621065,-0.006306657,0.010575653,-0.032329261,-0.002897252,0.043699069,0.026933714,0.004588142,0. 013250749,0.021384321,0.00149483,-0.004005935,-0.006950395,0.030263906,-0.005220569
Turkic:Varna(Late),0.076713868,0.015699684,-0.022132615,-0.010218625,-0.055030146,0.010107053,0.005297009,0.01849036,-0.018174096,-0.000571806,-0.006876377,-0.008199434,0.000190444,-0.011858004,0.017942517,0.034936642,0.02255338,0.0 01543916,-0.012626638,0.001868582,0.001531176,-0.001145645,-0.007585505,0.025195903,-0.022540232
Anatolian:IND_Roopkund_B_o:I6935,0.108132,0.144205 ,-0.044123,-0.061047,-0.008309,-0.0251,-0.000705,-0.007154,-0.018816,0.012392,0.011367,0.00015,-0.004608,0.004954,-0.011672,-0.005038,0.007041,0.003801,0.005656,-0.01088,-0.005116,0.000618,0.001849,0.001807,0.006227

Early Turkic form:

https://i.ibb.co/d2rdyMC/ads-z2.png

SharpFork

02-15-2020, 05:03 PM

I realized i didn't model the samples which i used:

https://i.ibb.co/y4DJwRJ/Ads-z.png

Distances are shining.

What about Turkic early? Does the late part mask all the Anatolian admixture?

Kaspias

02-15-2020, 05:19 PM

What about Turkic early? Does the late part mask all the Anatolian admixture?

Early:

https://i.ibb.co/6HdYkS3/ads-z4.png

SharpFork

02-15-2020, 05:21 PM

Early:

https://i.ibb.co/6HdYkS3/ads-z4.png
Why no Anatolian? Also can you model Gagauz too?

Kaspias

02-15-2020, 05:40 PM

Why no Anatolian? Also can you model Gagauz too?

Apparently Balkan Turks don't have Anatolian admixture. We already have been suspecting it with @Thracian and @Deniz, and this suggests it too.

Early

https://i.ibb.co/gdcLpBS/Ads-zearly.png

Late

https://i.ibb.co/2kbpFXR/ads-zlate.png

Thracian

02-15-2020, 07:39 PM

Apparently Balkan Turks don't have Anatolian admixture. We already have been suspecting it with @Thracian and @Deniz, and this suggests it too.

Early

https://i.ibb.co/gdcLpBS/Ads-zearly.png

Late

https://i.ibb.co/2kbpFXR/ads-zlate.png

All models that we tried suggest it. Turks from Balkans have no Anatolian ancestry, or have just negligible Anatolian ancestry.

Do you think late or early models are suitable? I think that late one can hide recent Iranic ancestry if one really has Iranic ancestry.

Dick

02-15-2020, 07:41 PM

Bosniensis

02-15-2020, 07:50 PM

I don’t see Bosniensis

Kaspias said I am "a honorary Turk"

Kaspias

02-15-2020, 08:31 PM

All models that we tried suggest it. Turks from Balkans have no Anatolian ancestry, or have just negligible Anatolian ancestry.

Do you think late or early models are suitable? I think that late one can hide recent Iranic ancestry if one really has Iranic ancestry.

Late represent the Turkic speaker who footed on Balkans, so we should use it in our everyday modelings. Early was just to inform, how Pure Turkic ancestor would look like in genetic meaning. I can say both are really representative and suitable.

See:
I realized i didn't model the samples which i used:

https://i.ibb.co/y4DJwRJ/Ads-z.png

Distances are shining.

I don’t see Bosniensis

In our hearts.

Thracian

02-16-2020, 07:52 AM

Late represent the Turkic speaker who footed on Balkans, so we should use it in our everyday modelings. Early was just to inform, how Pure Turkic ancestor would look like in genetic meaning. I can say both are really representative and suitable.

See:

In our hearts.

Yes, the distances are really great. I haven't tried your samples yet but I think we will have better distances using them instead of Modern Turkmens or Ottomans.

Kaspias

02-28-2020, 08:01 PM

Same method applied on @Deniz

Early version:

Ancient datasheet, pop avg:

Distance to: Deniz_Turkic-Early
0.25952823 RUS_Krasnoyarsk_MLBA_o
0.26014192 Scythian_Aldy_Bel_IA
0.26984700 KAZ_Tasbas_IA
0.27034538 Scythian_RUS_Urals
0.27104254 RUS_Bolshoy_Oleni_Ostrov
0.27216064 KAZ_Nomad_IA
0.27224093 Saka_Kazakh_steppe
0.27399382 RUS_Altai_IA
0.27474863 Hun_Tian_Shan
0.27498065 RUS_Nomad_MA
0.27576201 MNG_Hovsgol_BA_o2
0.27584515 MNG_Xiong_Nu_Central_Asian
0.27687321 KAZ_Kanai_MBA
0.27741794 FIN_Levanluhta_IA
0.27761459 Scythian_Zevakino_Chilikta_IA
0.27924053 KAZ_Kimak
0.27930862 KAZ_Alpamsa_MLBA_Alakul
0.28096584 RUS_Okunevo_BA
0.28323295 RUS_Karasuk
0.28387727 KAZ_Karluk
0.28401317 Saka_Tian_Shan
0.28412153 KAZ_Kazakh_steppe_EMBA
0.28623858 KAZ_Turk
0.28658184 CHN_Shirenzigou_IA
0.28685238 RUS_Bolshoy_Oleni_Ostrov_o
0.28884373 MDA_Cimmerian
0.28956858 RUS_Chalmny-Varre
0.29076285 KAZ_Kairan_MLBA_o
0.29104279 KAZ_Zevakinskiy_LBA
0.29119692 RUS_Tagar
0.29133126 KAZ_Kipchak
0.29262106 Anatolia_Ottoman
0.29275896 KAZ_Karakhanid
0.29346029 RUS_Priobrazhenka_LBA
0.29384130 KAZ_Molaly_LBA
0.29407784 RUS_Mezhovskaya
0.29528287 KAZ_Pazyryk_IA
0.29548446 KAZ_Nomad_MA
0.29828475 KAZ_Dali_EBA
0.30318871 KAZ_Kumsay_EBA
0.30384421 KAZ_Wusun
0.30389380 KAZ_Zevakinskiy_MLBA
0.30491410 KAZ_Mereke_MBA
0.30626358 KGZ_Turk
0.30764663 KAZ_Chanchar2_LBA
0.30906993 RUS_Baikal_N
0.30918226 KAZ_Botai
0.30995588 RUS_Sosonivoy_HG
0.31017758 Sarmatian_RUS_Urals
0.31099912 Sarmatian_RUS_Caspian_steppe

Ancient datasheet, individuals:

Distance to: Deniz_Turkic-Early
0.25952823 RUS_Krasnoyarsk_MLBA_o:I6717
0.26031730 RUS_Karasuk:RISE495
0.26050020 Saka_Kazakh_steppe:DA14
0.26441205 RUS_Okunevo_BA:RISE681
0.26446267 Scythian_Aldy_Bel_IA:I0577
0.26475475 Hun_Tian_Shan:DA82
0.26691381 RUS_Bolshoy_Oleni_Ostrov:BOO003
0.26704855 RUS_Altai_IA:RISE602
0.26713266 RUS_Bolshoy_Oleni_Ostrov:BOO002
0.26815544 Hun_Tian_Shan:DA100
0.26816614 Hun_Tian_Shan:DA385
0.26899509 Hun_Tian_Shan:DA54
0.26912046 KAZ_Nomad_IA:DA92
0.26923835 KAZ_Nomad_MA:DA94
0.26960911 Saka_Kazakh_steppe:DA13
0.26974905 Hun_Tian_Shan:DA66
0.26984700 KAZ_Tasbas_IA:I3451
0.27034538 Scythian_RUS_Urals:MJ42
0.27154860 RUS_Bolshoy_Oleni_Ostrov:BOO001
0.27164467 MDA_Cimmerian:cim359
0.27198545 MNG_Xiong_Nu_Central_Asian:DA38
0.27299628 Saka_Kazakh_steppe:DA11
0.27320957 KAZ_Zevakinskiy_LBA:I3772
0.27373154 RUS_Bolshoy_Oleni_Ostrov:BOO004
0.27382804 RUS_Tagar:DA5
0.27404199 RUS_Okunevo_BA:RISE670
0.27406681 Hun_Tian_Shan:DA73
0.27414394 Saka_Kazakh_steppe:DA16
0.27417529 FIN_Levanluhta_IA:JK1968
0.27466983 Scythian_Aldy_Bel_IA:I0576
0.27467942 RUS_Okunevo_BA:RISE684
0.27492303 Hun_Tian_Shan:DA96
0.27498065 RUS_Nomad_MA:DA142
0.27506983 Hun_Tian_Shan:DA74
0.27520931 Hun_Tian_Shan:DA80
0.27576201 MNG_Hovsgol_BA_o2:ARS026
0.27609453 Hun_Tian_Shan:DA52
0.27634137 KAZ_Kazakh_steppe_EMBA:EBA2
0.27635837 RUS_Altai_IA:RISE601
0.27654707 CHN_Shirenzigou_IA:SRZ_F004
0.27665799 Hun_Tian_Shan:DA72
0.27666291 RUS_Okunevo_BA:RISE674
0.27667543 FIN_Levanluhta_IA:DA238
0.27687321 KAZ_Kanai_MBA:I6708
0.27692205 Saka_Tian_Shan:DA50
0.27697625 KAZ_Nomad_IA:DA221
0.27775919 KAZ_Nomad_IA:DA129
0.27782306 Hun_Tian_Shan:DA104
0.27798002 RUS_Okunevo_BA:RISE680
0.27851031 RUS_Altai_IA:RISE600

Modern datasheet, pop avg:

Distance to: Deniz_Turkic-Early
0.25844318 Mari
0.26934644 Bashkir
0.27224584 Tatar_Siberian_Zabolotniye
0.27298516 Tatar_Siberian
0.27406203 Udmurt
0.27468114 Chuvash
0.28128221 Besermyan
0.28181607 Saami
0.28363657 Yukagir_Forest
0.28542814 Mansi
0.28946951 Khanty
0.28978817 Uzbek
0.29142974 Nogai
0.29240366 Tubalar
0.29439870 Tatar_Lipka
0.29829081 Hazara
0.29842835 Tatar_Kazan
0.29856206 Hazara_Afghanistan
0.29880239 Shor_Mountain
0.29897364 Karakalpak
0.29901030 Turkmen_Uzbekistan
0.29935167 Shor
0.30024692 Shor_Khakassia
0.30125330 Uygur
0.30154224 Tlingit
0.30229215 Turkmen
0.30349979 Komi
0.31023186 Khakass
0.31170014 Kazakh
0.31373165 Tatar_Mishar
0.31595496 Ket
0.31768881 Tajik
0.31969564 Greenlander_West
0.32333179 Tajik_Shugnan
0.32640012 Kho_Singanali
0.32663577 Tajik_Rushan
0.32670389 Tajik_Ishkashim
0.32672534 Burusho
0.32860242 Kirghiz
0.32971279 Russian_Pinega
0.33175371 Jatt_Pathak
0.33515807 Finnish_East
0.33530283 Kalash
0.33559999 Vepsian
0.33630732 Ror
0.33656011 Selkup
0.33837448 Karelian
0.33861988 Pashtun
0.33970973 Tajik_Yagnobi
0.33980213 Maori

Modern datasheet, individuals:

Distance to: Deniz_Turkic-Early
0.25530577 Mari:mari3
0.25622450 Mari:mari2
0.25665199 Mari:mari1
0.26007340 Bashkir:BAS-060
0.26019270 Bashkir:bashkir6
0.26049207 Mari:mari5
0.26076534 Udmurt:153_R02C01
0.26158234 Bashkir:bashkir5
0.26283648 Udmurt:udmurd10
0.26295390 Bashkir:BAS-006
0.26410632 Bashkir:bashkir7
0.26410648 Udmurt:udmurd15
0.26451426 Udmurt:519_R01C02
0.26498709 Udmurt:udmurd14
0.26550534 Bashkir:BAS-005
0.26580611 Udmurt:152_R01C02
0.26640193 Saami:GS000035025
0.26661452 Mari:mari4
0.26666634 Bashkir:BAS-031
0.26672317 Udmurt:152_R01C01
0.26687846 Tatar_Siberian_Zabolotniye:STA-434
0.26689429 Bashkir:BAS-096
0.26699143 Bashkir:BAS-029
0.26705248 Tatar_Siberian_Zabolotniye:STA-362
0.26714946 Tatar_Siberian:STA-306
0.26719209 Udmurt:169_R02C02
0.26734265 Udmurt:udmurd7
0.26828192 Chuvash:546_R01C01
0.26838073 Tatar_Siberian:STA-006
0.26851200 Udmurt:udmurd12
0.26898930 Udmurt:udmurd1
0.26899350 Udmurt:154_R01C02
0.26926707 Bashkir:BAS-034
0.26956310 Tatar_Siberian:STA-304
0.27002327 Chuvash:546_R02C02
0.27011130 Bashkir:bashkir1
0.27024643 Khanty:799_R01C02
0.27034992 Bashkir:BAS-045
0.27067801 Udmurt:udmurd8
0.27077618 Bashkir:BAS-014
0.27108989 Bashkir:BAS-017
0.27113584 Tatar_Siberian:STA-120
0.27121171 Mansi:Mansi43
0.27149848 Bashkir:bashkir2
0.27164261 Bashkir:BAS-062
0.27199212 Bashkir:BAS-021
0.27230308 Bashkir:BAS-046
0.27245511 Tatar_Siberian:STA-112
0.27268498 Udmurt:152_R02C01
0.27269411 Bashkir:BAS-042

Late version:

Ancient datasheet, pop avg:

Distance to: Deniz_Turkic-Late
0.15278415 KAZ_Tasbas_IA
0.15552865 KAZ_Nomad_IA
0.16071709 KAZ_Molaly_LBA
0.16291984 MDA_Cimmerian
0.16494449 Saka_Tian_Shan
0.16506106 KAZ_Wusun
0.16982472 Hun_Tian_Shan
0.17065888 KAZ_Alpamsa_MLBA_Alakul
0.17090397 KAZ_Kangju
0.17233508 RUS_Tagar
0.17407732 Sarmatian_RUS_Urals
0.17451336 KAZ_Chanchar2_LBA
0.17498248 Saka_Kazakh_steppe_o2
0.17506565 Sarmatian_RUS_Caspian_steppe
0.17602213 Anatolia_Ottoman
0.17669357 Scythian_RUS_Urals
0.17712756 TJK_Ksirov_H_Kushan
0.17752028 KAZ_Zevakinskiy_LBA
0.17795516 Sarmatian_KAZ
0.17971863 RUS_Karasuk
0.17996433 RUS_Nomad_MA
0.18017455 Saka_Kazakh_steppe_o1
0.18041409 RUS_Mezhovskaya
0.18076336 KAZ_Turk
0.18192648 KAZ_Turk_o
0.18234899 KAZ_Zevakinskiy_MLBA
0.18301684 KAZ_Taldysay_MLBA2
0.18468033 Saka_Tian_Shan_o
0.18622439 KAZ_Georgievsky2_LBA
0.18651596 KAZ_Kairan_MLBA_o
0.18672771 RUS_Priobrazhenka_LBA
0.18707267 Scythian_Zevakino_Chilikta_IA
0.18774128 Sarmatian_RUS_Pokrovka
0.18869557 PAK_Singoor_MA
0.18982267 Gepidian_SRB_ACD
0.19112845 HUN_Prescythian_IA
0.19146664 TKM_IA
0.19215252 FIN_Levanluhta_IA
0.19305301 TKM_Gonur1_BA_o
0.19330228 Anatolia_IA
0.19359959 RUS_Krasnoyarsk_MLBA_o
0.19372384 Sarmatian_RUS_Caucasus
0.19395573 Scythian_Aldy_Bel_IA
0.19408743 KAZ_Katon_Karagay_LBA
0.19534670 PAK_Udegram_MA_Ghaznavid
0.19626604 RUS_Steppe_Maykop_o
0.19637589 KAZ_Dali_MLBA
0.19698702 KAZ_Kyzlbulak_MLBA2
0.19737749 PAK_Loebanr_IA_o
0.19775224 RUS_Chalmny-Varre

Ancient datasheet, individuals:

Distance to: Deniz_Turkic-Late
0.14987133 KAZ_Nomad_IA:DA129
0.15079052 KAZ_Nomad_IA:DA18
0.15135327 Hun_Tian_Shan:DA98
0.15259263 Hun_Tian_Shan:DA81
0.15278415 KAZ_Tasbas_IA:I3451
0.15696791 MDA_Cimmerian:cim358
0.15864710 Saka_Tian_Shan:DA47
0.15915944 KAZ_Wusun:DA223
0.16017458 Saka_Tian_Shan:DA51
0.16053414 RUS_Tagar:DA7
0.16071709 KAZ_Molaly_LBA:I3769
0.16096014 KAZ_Kangju:DA123
0.16138706 Sarmatian_RUS_Urals:LS13
0.16200496 TJK_Ksirov_H_Kushan:I12294
0.16307660 Saka_Tian_Shan:DA49
0.16311270 KAZ_Wusun:DA227
0.16321721 Hun_Tian_Shan:DA101
0.16429828 Saka_Tian_Shan:DA58
0.16534099 Anatolia_Ottoman:MA2196
0.16541743 Saka_Tian_Shan:DA57
0.16575959 Hun_Tian_Shan:DA85
0.16615742 RUS_Tagar:DA5
0.16624528 KAZ_Kangju:DA229
0.16626790 RUS_Tagar:DA8
0.16646397 Scythian_Aldy_Bel_IA:I0577
0.16686412 Hun_Tian_Shan:DA69
0.16765145 KAZ_Nomad_IA:DA221
0.16831334 Sarmatian_RUS_Urals:chy001
0.16852237 KAZ_Turk:DA89
0.16860108 KAZ_Zevakinskiy_LBA:I3976
0.16878299 Sarmatian_RUS_Urals:MJ39
0.16926917 Sarmatian_RUS_Urals:MJ56
0.16937055 Sarmatian_KAZ:DA30
0.16970343 Sarmatian_RUS_Urals:chy002
0.17065888 KAZ_Alpamsa_MLBA_Alakul:I6823
0.17069101 Hun_Tian_Shan:DA72
0.17167501 Sarmatian_RUS_Caspian_steppe:DA144
0.17168249 Sarmatian_RUS_Caspian_steppe:DA134
0.17308158 RUS_Mezhovskaya:RISE525
0.17343782 Hun_Tian_Shan:DA82
0.17346262 CHN_Shirenzigou_IA:SRZ_M820
0.17407304 KAZ_Zevakinskiy_LBA:I4267
0.17448103 KAZ_Wusun:DA220
0.17451336 KAZ_Chanchar2_LBA:I11537
0.17475901 RUS_Tagar:DA4
0.17497634 KAZ_Kangju:DA121
0.17498248 Saka_Kazakh_steppe_o2:DA19
0.17553694 Sarmatian_RUS_Urals:MJ41
0.17563606 RUS_Tagar:DA2
0.17588250 Hun_Tian_Shan:DA100

Modern datasheet, pop avg:

Distance to: Deniz_Turkic-Late
0.16526293 Tajik
0.16656179 Turkmen
0.16718989 Besermyan
0.16754525 Turkmen_Uzbekistan
0.16918220 Tatar_Lipka
0.16926098 Udmurt
0.16936205 Chuvash
0.17054570 Tatar_Kazan
0.17109600 Tajik_Shugnan
0.17390821 Tajik_Rushan
0.17784827 Tajik_Ishkashim
0.17974814 Tajik_Yagnobi
0.18028473 Mari
0.18338359 Tatar_Mishar
0.18532446 Bashkir
0.18536675 Kho_Singanali
0.18562459 Komi
0.18868015 Uzbek
0.19176087 Turkish_South
0.19279324 Kalash
0.19440412 Uthmankhel
0.19465328 Saami
0.19533842 Turkish_Balikesir
0.19536974 Jatt_Pathak
0.19553523 Pashtun
0.19746167 Turkish_North
0.19781800 Tarkalani
0.19866797 Turkish_Aydin
0.19961855 Ror
0.20007697 Yusufzai
0.20025700 Burusho
0.20072643 Turkish_Northwest
0.20083715 Turkish_Southwest
0.20204183 Kumyk
0.20298691 Karachay
0.20306407 Cherkes
0.20329519 Abazin
0.20396649 Circassian
0.20419319 Kabardin
0.20495452 Darginian
0.20550656 Balkar
0.20554541 North_Ossetian
0.20564582 Lak
0.20567590 Avar
0.20600933 Parsi_Pakistan
0.20606026 Tatar_Siberian
0.20647055 Kamboj
0.20657658 Brahui
0.20667359 Balochi
0.20675968 Kaitag

Modern datasheet, individuals:

Distance to: Deniz_Turkic-Late
0.15316466 Tajik:TJ-0986
0.15444411 Turkmen_Uzbekistan:UZB111_turkmen
0.15645736 Tajik:TJ-0155
0.15797520 Tatar_Lipka:Tatar_Lipka1
0.16030538 Tatar_Kazan:TTR-501
0.16030948 Tajik_Shugnan:tdj262_shugnan
0.16065238 Tajik:TJ-0982
0.16086535 Turkmen:TUR041
0.16098687 Chuvash:546_R01C01
0.16114181 Turkmen:TUR031
0.16154306 Tajik:TJ-0091
0.16191626 Tajik:TJ-1032
0.16221076 Besermyan:UDM-357
0.16231451 Udmurt:udmurd10
0.16251326 Udmurt:152_R01C02
0.16279372 Tajik:TJ-0555
0.16318198 Tajik:TJ-0798
0.16358850 Turkmen:TUR026
0.16375078 Turkmen:TUR007
0.16392570 Turkmen:TUR054
0.16414747 Turkmen:TUR042
0.16432718 Udmurt:152_R01C01
0.16453767 Turkmen_Uzbekistan:UZB180_turkmen
0.16495994 Tajik:TJ-0984
0.16504149 Turkmen:TUR013
0.16509826 Tatar_Kazan:TTR-249
0.16528690 Besermyan:UDM-287
0.16541101 Turkmen:TUR011
0.16553793 Udmurt:153_R02C01
0.16560543 Udmurt:154_R01C02
0.16566833 Udmurt:139_R02C01
0.16585844 Tatar_Lipka:Tatar_Lipka2
0.16595672 Tajik:TJ-0807
0.16602498 Turkmen_Uzbekistan:UZB102_turkmen
0.16611062 Chuvash:564_R01C01
0.16629831 Tatar_Kazan:TTR-244
0.16630951 Tatar_Kazan:TTR-330
0.16634575 Udmurt:519_R01C02
0.16649690 Udmurt:udmurd15
0.16661330 Udmurt:udmurd7
0.16689323 Udmurt:udmurd14
0.16690247 Chuvash:546_R02C01
0.16691123 Tajik_Rushan:tdj521_rushan
0.16699043 Udmurt:udmurd5
0.16709102 Besermyan:UDM-309
0.16732319 Tajik:TJ-0686
0.16741154 Tajik:TJ-1041
0.16743841 Turkmen_Uzbekistan:UZB150_turkmen
0.16757677 Tajik:TJ-0484
0.16758076 Udmurt:169_R02C02

Clustering

https://i.ibb.co/pZP11PV/denizcl.jpg

Kayra

02-28-2020, 08:05 PM

^

Magyar? :D

axlredneck

03-04-2020, 11:08 AM

Same method applied on @Deniz

Can you apply the same on Volga Turkic people to estimate what their Mongoloid and non-Mongoloid ancestors looked like?

vbnetkhio

05-16-2020, 01:58 PM

my match, half muslim from Servia, Kozani, Greece, half from Mugla, Turkey
what is he, Balkan Turk or Pomak?

Servia was founded by Serbs in the 7th century according to Byzantine sources.

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 24.11
2 North_Atlantic 18.2
3 West_Asian 16.35
4 West_Med 12.66
5 Baltic 11.52
6 Red_Sea 5.33
7 Siberian 5.11
8 East_Asian 3.29
9 South_Asian 1.94
10 Amerindian 1.27
11 Oceanian 0.22

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Italian_Abruzzo 10.71
2 Central_Greek 11.18
3 Greek_Thessaly 11.2
4 East_Sicilian 11.86
5 Ashkenazi 13.07
6 West_Sicilian 13.33
7 South_Italian 13.91
8 Bulgarian 15.03
9 Tuscan 15.71
10 Romanian 16.2
11 Sephardic_Jewish 17.14
12 Turkish 17.71
13 Italian_Jewish 18.43
14 Algerian_Jewish 18.95
15 Serbian 19.78
16 North_Italian 20.05
17 Tunisian_Jewish 20.42
18 Libyan_Jewish 21.01
19 Azeri 21.87
20 Cyprian 22.1

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 76.7% Italian_Abruzzo + 23.3% Uzbeki @ 4.23
2 75.2% Italian_Abruzzo + 24.8% Afghan_Turkmen @ 4.36
3 77.6% Italian_Abruzzo + 22.4% Aghan_Hazara @ 4.84
4 79.8% Italian_Abruzzo + 20.2% Hazara @ 4.93
5 78.9% Italian_Abruzzo + 21.1% Uygur @ 5.04
6 64.5% Sephardic_Jewish + 35.5% Tatar @ 5.2
7 71.4% Italian_Abruzzo + 28.6% Nogay @ 5.32
8 66% Ashkenazi + 34% Nogay @ 5.34
9 69.6% Greek_Thessaly + 30.4% Turkmen @ 5.44
10 65.6% West_Sicilian + 34.4% Nogay @ 5.49
11 60.4% Tuscan + 39.6% Turkmen @ 5.51
12 77.2% Central_Greek + 22.8% Aghan_Hazara @ 5.51
13 75.2% Central_Greek + 24.8% Afghan_Turkmen @ 5.52
14 84% Italian_Abruzzo + 16% Shors @ 5.53
15 82.9% Italian_Abruzzo + 17.1% Kazakh @ 5.55
16 76.9% Central_Greek + 23.1% Uzbeki @ 5.59
17 84.9% Italian_Abruzzo + 15.1% Hakas @ 5.62
18 73.9% East_Sicilian + 26.1% Afghan_Turkmen @ 5.73
19 78.7% Central_Greek + 21.3% Uygur @ 5.76
20 83.8% Italian_Abruzzo + 16.2% Kirgiz @ 5.76

Kaspias

05-16-2020, 02:18 PM

vbnetkhio

05-16-2020, 02:29 PM

Both Kozani and Servia was Turk settlement. A small amount of Greek and Muslim Albanians was present there, Pomaks was not present. Turks of the region known as "Konyar", which means "came from Konya." So their origin was most probably Karamanids. Were Serbs present there when Turks came?

i'm not sure. In recent History it seems to have been fully Turkish, and now it's settled by asia Minor Greeks, right?

CommonSense

05-16-2020, 02:39 PM

Do you have any results of Kosovo Turks?

Kaspias

05-16-2020, 02:58 PM

i'm not sure. In recent History it seems to have been fully Turkish, and now it's settled by asia Minor Greeks, right?

Yes. The previous Turk settlements is filled with Asia Minor Greeks. You can use this map as a reference while searching for this region:

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/b2/dd/8a/b2dd8a29904f9f415c481f8680672806.jpg

I find it fantastic to reach such accuracy in that time period.

Do you have any results of Kosovo Turks?

Unfortunately.

Oturan Boğa

02-13-2022, 07:08 PM

Target: OturanBoga_scaled
Distance: 3.0199% / 0.03019918
44.6 Anatolian
30.0 Turkic (25% Anatolian Subtracted MA2196, 3.2% Thrace (Early) 1.8% Varna (Early))
15.6 Iranic
9.8 Caucasian

Removing the Early ones increases the distances

Target: OturanBoga_scaled
Distance: 3.9374% / 0.03937434
43.2 Turkic
34.6 Anatolian
18.6 Caucasian
3.6 Iranic

DomitiusAurelian

07-30-2023, 02:37 AM

Target: NoNameNoPain
Distance: 2.5266% / 0.02526568
56.8 Anatolian
31.4 Turkic
11.2 Caucasian
0.6 Iranic

Anatolian Turks would get better and more accurate results if there were proper Oghuz samples. We need a calculator for Anatolian Turks only tbh. Good work, I guess we will be content with these until we obtain real Oghuz samples.