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Lioncourt
02-12-2020, 08:46 PM
Mostly Slavs with a few Albanians (judging by names of Ohrid students, Slavs are 90-95%). What are the main types and where do they pass?

Map of North Macedonia with Ohrid and Bitola:

https://cdn.britannica.com/11/6211-050-40683438/North-Macedonia-map.jpg

Ohrid:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ABGLtRx5tg

Bitola:

https://babambitola.mk/maturanti-od-ekonomsko-2019/
https://babambitola.mk/%d0%bc%d0%b0%d1%82%d1%83%d1%80%d0%b0%d0%bd%d1%82%d 0%b8%d1%82%d0%b5-%d0%be%d0%b4-%d1%82%d0%b5%d1%85%d0%bd%d0%b8%d1%87%d0%ba%d0%be-%d0%b7%d0%b0%d0%b5%d0%b4%d0%bd%d0%be-%d1%81%d0%be-%d0%bd%d0%b5%d0%ba/

Lioncourt
02-12-2020, 08:50 PM
Poll added.

TheMaestro
02-12-2020, 08:58 PM
Amount of makeup is out of this world, Balkan women just love makeup too much..

Lioncourt
02-12-2020, 09:16 PM
Amount of makeup is out of this world, Balkan women just love makeup too much..

It's an official photoshoot so it's normal. Excessive makeup is more of a Middle Eastern thing than Balkan.

Laag
02-13-2020, 07:07 AM
Very Bulgarian looking but aren't Macedonians just Bulgarians in denial? As far as I know they are.
https://i2.wp.com/babambitola.mk/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/FB_IMG_1557519572739.jpg?w=666&ssl=1
https://i2.wp.com/babambitola.mk/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/FB_IMG_1557519534588.jpg?w=667&ssl=1
https://i0.wp.com/babambitola.mk/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/FB_IMG_1557685600640.jpg?w=667&ssl=1
https://i1.wp.com/babambitola.mk/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/FB_IMG_1557685715811.jpg?w=667&ssl=1
https://i0.wp.com/babambitola.mk/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/FB_IMG_1557685742616.jpg?w=667&ssl=1
https://i1.wp.com/babambitola.mk/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/FB_IMG_1557685763657.jpg?w=667&ssl=1

OrhanU
02-13-2020, 07:30 AM
3rd one can pass as Kurdish. 4th Slavic look.

Aspar
02-13-2020, 08:22 AM
Very Bulgarian looking but aren't Macedonians just Bulgarians in denial? As far as I know they are.
https://i2.wp.com/babambitola.mk/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/FB_IMG_1557519572739.jpg?w=666&ssl=1
https://i2.wp.com/babambitola.mk/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/FB_IMG_1557519534588.jpg?w=667&ssl=1
https://i0.wp.com/babambitola.mk/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/FB_IMG_1557685600640.jpg?w=667&ssl=1
https://i1.wp.com/babambitola.mk/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/FB_IMG_1557685715811.jpg?w=667&ssl=1
https://i0.wp.com/babambitola.mk/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/FB_IMG_1557685742616.jpg?w=667&ssl=1
https://i1.wp.com/babambitola.mk/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/FB_IMG_1557685763657.jpg?w=667&ssl=1

That's just simplification of the reality. Although the Macedonians share a lot with the Bulgarians, DNA, cultural heritage and on and on, the things are not so simple. The regional identity was very strong among the Macedonians ever since and the Macedonians and the Bulgarians because of historical struggles common for the Balkans weren't united in a same state since the times of Asenovci if we exlude the temporary holdings of the Bulgarian army in Macedonia during the Balkan wars, WWI and WWII. And even then, it lasted only for less than 50 years. The Macedonians and the Bulgarians were only uninterruptedly united only during the First Bulgarian Tsardom which has been dead since a thousand years ago.

And during that period, you have a lot of events which contributed to genes of the modern Macedonians.
The first is the southern invasions of the Serbian kingdom which contributed to Serb influx and migrations towards modern Macedonia.
The second are the Ottomans. Although the mixing with Turks was not permitted and indeed it shows in the DNA of the Macedonians and the lack of Turkish DNA, the Turkish domination in the Balkans contributed to some other events and migrations of which the most important are the migrations of people from South Albania and North Western Greece towards the modern day Macedonia during the whole Ottoman domination but most intense during the 18th and 19th century.
And the third event are the Balkan wars, WWI and WWII and subsequent split of Macedonia. People from Northern Greece migrating to modern Macedonia and Serb colonists settling in Macedonia under the Serb occupational program of colonisation of non-serbian territories.

All these migrations and people contributed in the forming of the modern Macedonian people and as you can see, it's far from the simplicity you mentioned.

As for the students, a mix of Pontids, North Pontids and Dinarids mainly. They are on the Southern cline of looks in Macedonia since the are from Bitola, the south western corner of Macedonia.

I would say Albania and Bulgaria are the most passable.

Aspar
02-13-2020, 08:23 AM
Double post.

Lioncourt
02-13-2020, 09:11 AM
The first is the southern invasions of the Serbian kingdom which contributed to Serb influx and migrations towards modern Macedonia.
The second are the Ottomans. Although the mixing with Turks was not permitted and indeed it shows in the DNA of the Macedonians and the lack of Turkish DNA, the Turkish domination in the Balkans contributed to some other events and migrations of which the most important are the migrations of people from South Albania and North Western Greece towards the modern day Macedonia during the whole Ottoman domination but most intense during the 18th and 19th century.
And the third event are the Balkan wars, WWI and WWII and subsequent split of Macedonia. People from Northern Greece migrating to modern Macedonia and Serb colonists settling in Macedonia under the Serb occupational program of colonisation of non-serbian territories.

Most of the second event settlers from Albania and Greece were Slavs. As for the third event, nearly all settlers from Northern Greece were Slavs. There have been even more that went to Bulgaria, there are whole villages and neighborhoods in big towns which were founded by us.

Crn Volk
02-13-2020, 09:29 AM
Slavophone Greeks

Aspar
02-13-2020, 09:45 AM
Most of the second event settlers from Albania and Greece were Slavs. As for the third event, nearly all settlers from Northern Greece were Slavs. There have been even more that went to Bulgaria, there are whole villages and neighborhoods in big towns which were founded by us.

Yes I am aware of that, I was just speaking strictly for North Macedonian although Bulgaria received the same migrants from the second and third event partially (with the exclusion of the Serb colonists) and most of them ended up in Bulgaria indeed. I do have family relatives to who we lost contact since long time ago living somewhere around Nesebar or at least they used to live there as far as I know from the family story told by my grandparents.

Laag
02-13-2020, 02:32 PM
Slavophone Greeks

Most likely Slavophone Turks.

Davy Jones's Locker
02-19-2020, 11:53 AM
In my opinion the primary elements are Mediterranean and Dinaric. Alpine secondary.

Based on these pictures they seem a homogeneous group.