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Synapsid
02-18-2020, 04:19 PM
Both are BRICS nations. Which country will develop and be more relevant in the future?

Cumansky
02-18-2020, 04:21 PM
Brazil, India is taking their time for awhile no offense their culture is what it is nothing wrong with it is very traditional and all that good stuff, but Brazil will develop before

Adamastor
02-18-2020, 04:23 PM
India will be more powerful. But overall Brazil is a better place to live, if you avoid dangerous and poor areas it's not really that bad when compared to Europe/USA. India looks like a big dump almost everywhere, apart from localized regions in the Himalayas or in Southern India.

And I know both countries very well.

Ülev
02-18-2020, 04:24 PM
Brazil it seems
https://www.hakaimagazine.com/news/brazil-just-got-a-huge-new-oil-field-or-did-it/
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-03-03/why-billions-of-barrels-of-oil-go-untapped-in-brazil-quicktake
https://www.ft.com/content/515b6614-ff3e-11e9-b7bc-f3fa4e77dd47

Synapsid
02-18-2020, 04:29 PM
India will be more powerful. But overall Brazil is a better place to live, if you avoid dangerous and poor areas it's not really that bad when compared to Europe/USA. India looks like a big dump almost everywhere, apart from localized regions in the Himalayas or in Southern India.

And I know both countries very well.

South India is indeed more developed. Places like utter predesh seem to be a dump. Its funny how more Steppe/Iranian farmer ancestey regions are shitter than more ASI regions of India. But brazil has favelas. Why can't Brazilians demolish favelas and built apartments for the poor? In the US you ghettos but not true slums like Brazil.

Synapsid
02-18-2020, 04:30 PM
Brazil, India is taking their time for awhile no offense their culture is what it is nothing wrong with it is very traditional and all that good stuff, but Brazil will develop before

Interesting. But Brazil seem more violent.

Adamastor
02-18-2020, 04:36 PM
South India is indeed more developed. Places like utter predesh seem to be a dump. Its funny how more Steppe/Iranian farmer ancestey regions are shitter than more ASI regions of India. But brazil has favelas. Why can't Brazilians demolish favelas and built apartments for the poor? In the US you ghettos but not true slums like Brazil.

Because people who live outside favelas are discriminatory towards people living in favelas. Favelas were formed by free blacks and extremely multiracial people after slavery was abolished (in Brazil one could look white and be a slave if his mother was a slave), people living there descend from a long chain of poverty and exclusion.

Brazilian society is extremely discriminatory towards poor people and is organized hierarchically, that's why many rich Brazilians even (deep down) like favelas, they provide the low-skilled labourers they need to work as maids, bathroom cleaners etc. It's not uncommon to find middle class Brazilian families with 4-5 maids (generally black faveladas) working on their houses.

It's a way to maintain slavery as a social institution.

tipirneni
02-18-2020, 04:39 PM
Brazil has strong ethnic communities ( 15.72% indicated Italian ancestry, 14.50% Portuguese, 6.42% Spanish, 5.51% German and 12.32% other origins, which include Polish, Ukrainian, Russian, Lithuanian, Dutch, Austrian, Swiss, French, Hungarian, Norwegian, Jew) but India has huge middle class and a big global worker population. Software industry in South India is up to the US standards. Also big ready markets for Indian products in Persian gulf and in SE Asia are very close to India compared to Brazil which exports to China and US over long distances. Better infrastructure is being designed in India for vast population in coming years.

Cumansky
02-18-2020, 04:40 PM
Interesting. But Brazil seem more violent.

How do you get peace?

Thru war

Synapsid
02-18-2020, 04:41 PM
Because people who live outside favelas are discriminatory towards people living in favelas. Favelas were formed by free blacks and extremely multiracial people after slavery was abolished (in Brazil one could look white and be a slave if his mother was a slave), people living there descend from a long chain of poverty and exclusion.

Brazilian society is extremely discriminatory towards poor people and is organized hierarchically, that's why many rich Brazilians even (deep down) like favelas, they provide the low-skilled labourers they need to work as maids, bathroom cleaners etc. It's not uncommon to find middle class Brazilian families with 4-5 maids (generally black faveladas) working on their houses.

It's a way to maintain slavery as a social institution.

Fuck me. They keep the favelas so it can produce labourers and maid? Can a person end in a favelas? What should be done about it?

Joso
02-18-2020, 04:43 PM
India is only more powerful in a nationalistic way, but when it comes to real factors such as economy, i don't think so( same with China).
Libertarianist( classical liberalism and ancapism) ideas are growing majestically in BR, some advances were made and some good propositions seen to be in progress.
Don't think the same is happening in India.
Bttw it will be a long way to fix what the socialists have done to Brazil but i think former president Temer and the new, Bolsonaro seens to be doing a good job.

Cumansky
02-18-2020, 04:47 PM
Ankle Bully

https://youtu.be/6WOlOO7A7JI

Adamastor
02-18-2020, 04:50 PM
Fuck me. They keep the favelas so it can produce labourers and maid? Can a person end in a favelas? What should be done about it?

1) more or less
2) Hardly if you don't come from there. It's possible to become poor and end up in a working class neighbourhood, but working class neighbourhoods in Brazil don't look like favelas, favelas are very specific places
3) I don't know

Synapsid
02-18-2020, 05:00 PM
1) more or less
2) Hardly if you don't come from there. It's possible to become poor and end up in a working class neighbourhood, but working class neighbourhoods in Brazil don't look like favelas, favelas are very specific places
3) I don't know

So must murders come from there right? Do you feel safe there?

Jacques de Imbelloni
02-18-2020, 05:00 PM
https://t1.kn3.net/taringa/2/8/F/A/7/8/FaTaL3RRoR/9D7.png

Adamastor
02-18-2020, 05:02 PM
So must murders come from there right? Do you feel safe there?

1) yes
2) I don't know, never visited a favela, most Brazilians haven't

Synapsid
02-18-2020, 05:10 PM
1) yes
2) I don't know, never visited a favela, most Brazilians haven't

Do you feel safe in general?

Cumansky
02-18-2020, 05:16 PM
Let's take it back one time my niggas

https://youtu.be/6HS1B_2jzCo

Adamastor
02-18-2020, 05:21 PM
Do you feel safe in general?

Yes.

tipirneni
02-18-2020, 05:22 PM
Cricket is everything in South Asia

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aPJ-0MSiBFE

Latinus
02-18-2020, 09:00 PM
1) yes
2) I don't know, never visited a favela, most Brazilians haven't

I have been to a favela once...

Chaos One
02-18-2020, 09:10 PM
I have been to many favelas. Basically things work on a different way - people there tend to know each other, isn't uncommon to see a normal guy who have 2 or 3 friends already dead because they joined some criminal gangs, criminals hardly do anykind of theft there, etc. If you know someone from the area there's no problem at all, and even if you don't know they will not mock you if you just walk knowing what you're doing.

Still, Adamastor is right that Favelas can be seen as a proper "institution" designed to keep people poor. To understand how favelas became popular, you have to go back to the 70's and the massive exodus from NE rural areas to SE Brazil. Most people couldn't afford a house than started to make shanks on hills (usually prohibited places to lift a house)...after 2 or 3 generations, most families still there because they got used to this kind of life and pay far less than any other common middle class family. However, it's important to say that most people in fact would leave the area if they wanted.

Also, any type of public politics regarding remotion of favelas and construction of houses/apartments to change the situation will also be pointed as "communism" by the middle/high class in Brazil.

Ranger0075
02-18-2020, 09:10 PM
The Apricity is a smart move to perceive how shithole a country is. Just look if the user from such ethnicity lives in his own country.

I guess most Brazilians here live in Brazil, I am not sure tho cause I know there is a Huezilian here who lives in Sweden or Germany. While most Indians here are usually Americans or Canadians, so I guess Brazil is a little better.

Chaos One
02-18-2020, 09:23 PM
The Apricity is a smart move to perceive how shithole a country is. Just look if the user from such ethnicity lives in his own country.

I guess most Brazilians here live in Brazil, I am not sure tho cause I know there is a Huezilian here who lives in Sweden or Germany. While most Indians here are usually Americans or Canadians, so I guess Brazil is a little better.

For sure Brazil is a better country to live.

However, in terms of macropolitics and economy, India has an upper hand because they at least have somekind of "national program"...Brazil politics are a total mess.

bandeirante
02-18-2020, 09:45 PM
https://t1.kn3.net/taringa/2/8/F/A/7/8/FaTaL3RRoR/9D7.png

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bandeirante
02-18-2020, 09:50 PM
1) more or less
2) Hardly if you don't come from there. It's possible to become poor and end up in a working class neighbourhood, but working class neighbourhoods in Brazil don't look like favelas, favelas are very specific places
3) I don't know

as periferias são bem pobres no brasil! é quase uma pre-favela! as favelas são algo como 6% da população as periferias 20% da população! juntas elas algo como 25% da população brasileira!

Alenka
02-18-2020, 09:59 PM
Both can develop, why not? I think the question is more which one will develop sooner and faster. And I'm not sure. It could go either way, depending quite a bit on what kind of decisions and changes poiticians there will work on implementing. Both places have potential for progress and success, but first and foremost, lots of room for improvement.

Root
02-18-2020, 10:28 PM
It's highly unlikely that India will ever be a relevant and developed country even compared to Brazil or Indonesia in the near future unless the locals start to exterminate everything related to modern India's caste system and educate themselves how to stop shitting in random places. Well, if Indian manufacturers are able to develop a significant amount of toilets and sewage facilities, then you can surely say that India is a developed country

El_Abominacion
02-19-2020, 01:33 AM
1) yes
2) I don't know, never visited a favela, most Brazilians haven't

Are favelas limited to only the outskirts of cities?

luc2112
02-19-2020, 01:47 AM
Are favelas limited to only the outskirts of cities?

Yes, are usually in state capitals. Some Brazilian states have eliminated their slums

El_Abominacion
02-19-2020, 01:48 AM
Yes, are usually in state capitals. Some Brazilian states have eliminated their slums

Interesting. Thank you

luc2112
02-19-2020, 01:51 AM
In my city in southern Brazil there are no favelas, they are popular houses:

https://www.zedudu.com.br/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/casas-populares.jpg

luc2112
02-19-2020, 02:03 AM
I don't know India (maybe they are more disciplined than the Brazilians). Slums are created by low discipline, unplanned migration from the interior or another region to the capitals and demographic explosion (currently under control in Brazil).

luc2112
02-19-2020, 02:15 AM
The states of Brazil with SSA, the favelas do not decrease, they increase (USA seems similar to me). The place has gangs and drug trafficking and homicide. This human race was created by Satan :flynch:

luc2112
02-19-2020, 09:03 AM
Fuck me. They keep the favelas so it can produce labourers and maid? Can a person end in a favelas? What should be done about it?

This is not true, slums/favelas are created by the people who live in this place:

India:

http://ego.globo.com/platb/files/602/2009/05/contraste.JPG

Vietnan:

https://static1.bigstockphoto.com/4/1/1/large1500/114286673.jpg

Brazil:

https://live.staticflickr.com/4309/35226508973_ba8d48b22e_b.jpg

Mexico:

https://omensageiro77.files.wordpress.com/2015/07/fusca-na-favela-zl.jpg

China:

https://imagens.mdig.com.br/china/favelas_xangai_01.jpg

WeißerJunge
02-19-2020, 02:47 PM
The Apricity is a smart move to perceive how shithole a country is. Just look if the user from such ethnicity lives in his own country.

I guess most Brazilians here live in Brazil, I am not sure tho cause I know there is a Huezilian here who lives in Sweden or Germany. While most Indians here are usually Americans or Canadians, so I guess Brazil is a little better.

I know you are talking about me. While I proudly hold on to my Brazilian citizenship and have a Brazilian passport, I was born in Sweden, so technically, I am more Swedish than Brazilian.