Smitty's maternal AncestryDNA results

[Smitty]

So I finally got around to buying a DNA test, and I tested my mom, since I did it mostly for the genealogical value. Her known ancestry before taking the test was:

25% Württemberg
25% Upper Franconia
25% Sicily
6.25% Vorpommern
6.25% Schleswig-Holstein (with some Danish)
6.25% Germany, region unknown
3.125% Lower Saxony
3.125% Wielkopolskie, Poland

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I was ready to rip Ancestry apart for the excess Eastern European and nonexistent Italian. But from looking at the DNA matches, it appears things are not as they seemed, and our Württemberger ancestor was likely from Farther Pomerania. So the elevated Slavic makes a lot more sense now. The Italian, on the other hand, is all but missed. She fits the pattern I've seen for part-Italians on AncestryDNA.

[Cristiano viejo]

bad that you are not part Spanish, Smithers.

[Smitty]

bad that you are not part Spanish, Smithers.

Alas. But there's hope. I still haven't tested my dad.

[Leto]

Wow, that's a lot of Eastern Europe for someone who is German and Sicilian!
Again, I wonder where she would plot on Gedmatch.

[Smitty]

Wow, that's a lot of Eastern Europe for someone who is German and Sicilian!
Again, I wonder where she would plot on Gedmatch.

Yeah, if I can get her to do GEDmatch (she's a bit wary of it at the moment), I'll post some results. I'm curious too. I think some of the Italian is being misread as EE, as crazy as that is. A cousin of hers is half Sicilian and half Polish, and he gets 64% EE.

[Jana]

Yeah, if I can get her to do GEDmatch (she's a bit wary of it at the moment), I'll post some results. I'm curious too. I think some of the Italian is being misread as EE, as crazy as that is. A cousin of hers is half Sicilian and half Polish, and he gets 64% EE.

Could be because large chunk of Balkans is included under East Europe, but still, your mom results don't make sense for 75% German and quater Sicilian. You really should check gedmatch.

[Smitty]

Could be because large chunk of Balkans is included under East Europe, but still, your mom results don't make sense for 75% German and quater Sicilian. You really should check gedmatch.

I definitely will if she agrees to it. I thought it was very weird when they first came in.

[Leto]

Yeah, if I can get her to do GEDmatch (she's a bit wary of it at the moment), I'll post some results. I'm curious too. I think some of the Italian is being misread as EE, as crazy as that is. A cousin of hers is half Sicilian and half Polish, and he gets 64% EE.
If she doesn't want to use Gedmatch (apparently many Americans don't) there is yourDNAportal.com with mostly the same calculators.

To me such tests are very uninformative. I mean what is Eastern Europe and Russia? What is Germanic Europe? Too broad and confusing. Sure she's not black, Filipina, Jewish or Mexican but other than that still pretty vague.

[Red Pill]

Could be because large chunk of Balkans is included under East Europe, but still, your mom results don't make sense for 75% German and quater Sicilian. You really should check gedmatch.

But if different tests can give completely different results, and contradict known ancestry, doesn't it prove that those tests are unreliable? Why give money to companies that sell unreliable information?

[Smitty]

If she doesn't want to use Gedmatch (apparently many Americans don't) there is yourDNAportal.com with mostly the same calculators.

To me such tests are very uninformative. I mean what is Eastern Europe and Russia? What is Germanic Europe? Too broad and confusing. Sure she's not black, Filipina, Jewish or Mexican but other than that still pretty vague.

Thanks for the suggestion. I may try that out.

These tests aren't great, I agree. I did it mainly for the matches, so I wasn't disappointed. But I'm still interested in doing some calculator runs, so hopefully she'll agree to it.

[Smitty]

At Leto's suggestion, I used yourDNAportal.com. Here are her results with Eurogenes K13. Thoughts?

North_Atlantic 35.70%
Baltic 26.38%
West Mediterranean 11.58%
West Asian 9.58%
East Mediterranean 11.79%
Red Sea 1.59%
South Asian 0.16%
Amerindian 2.09%
Sub-Saharan 1.13%

Austrian 0.6873417
Hungarian 0.7204405
East_German 0.9585886
West_German 1.0213342
Serbian 1.0724312
South_Dutch 1.2324595
Croatian 1.368776
Moldavian 1.4071783

[Leto]

At Leto's suggestion, I used yourDNAportal.com. Here are her results with Eurogenes K13. Thoughts?

North_Atlantic 35.70%
Baltic 26.38%
West Mediterranean 11.58%
West Asian 9.58%
East Mediterranean 11.79%
Red Sea 1.59%
South Asian 0.16%
Amerindian 2.09%
Sub-Saharan 1.13%

Austrian 0.6873417
Hungarian 0.7204405
East_German 0.9585886
West_German 1.0213342
Serbian 1.0724312
South_Dutch 1.2324595
Croatian 1.368776
Moldavian 1.4071783
Interesting. The Sicilian quarter does show.

You can run the nMonte oracle there.

[Smitty]

Interesting. The Sicilian quarter does show.

You can run the nMonte oracle there.

Yep, I thought the same. And I think this bears out the quarter Pomeranian too, right? If her grandfather had been from Württemberg, I think she would plot farther west, in Switzerland or North Italy. Most of the calcs seem to show Austria or Hungary.

I believe I posted the oracle, although the distances seem to work differently than on GEDmatch, so I'm not really sure how to read them.

[Leto]

Yep, I thought the same. And I think this bears out the quarter Pomeranian too, right? If her grandfather had been from Württemberg, I think she would plot farther west, in Switzerland or North Italy. Most of the calcs seem to show Austria or Hungary.

I believe I posted the oracle, although the distances seem to work differently than on GEDmatch, so I'm not really sure how to read them.
No, that isn't nMonte. It's down below.

[Smitty]

No, that isn't nMonte. It's down below.

Is it this? I couldn't make sense of this part.

Hungarian 41.2
West_German 11.4
Austrian 5.8
North_German 2.8
Danish 2.6
South_Dutch 2.6
Southeast_English 2.4
Serbian 2
West Scottish 2
Swedish 1.8
North_Dutch 1.6
Icelandic 1.4
Orcadian 1.4
Irish 1.2
La_Brana-1 1.2
Romanian 1.2
Loschbour 1
Motala12 1
West Sicilian 1
Bulgarian 0.8
Greek_Thessaly 0.8
Italian_Abruzzo 0.8
Southeast_English 0.8
Adygei 0.6
East Sicilian 0.6
Kumyk 0.6
Kurdish_Jew 0.6
Norwegian 0.6
Tuscan 0.6
Ashkenazi 0.4
Azeri 0.4
Chechen 0.4
Kabardin 0.4
Lebanese Muslim 0.4
North Swedish 0.4
Ossetian 0.4
Samaritan 0.4
South Italian 0.4
Abhkasian 0.2
Anzick-1 0.2
Bantu_SE 0.2
Central Greek 0.2
Cypriot 0.2
Egyptian 0.2
Georgian 0.2
Georgian_Jew 0.2
Italian_Jew 0.2
Karitiana 0.2
Kurdish 0.2
Lebanese Christian 0.2
Lezgin 0.2
Libyan_Jew 0.2
Palestinian 0.2
Sephardic_Jew 0.2
Syrian 0.2
Tunisian_Jew 0.2
Turkish 0.2
Yemenite_Jew 0.2

[Smitty]

For those who may be interested, here is Eurogenes K15 and K36 mapping:

North Sea 28.37%
Atlantic 18.03%
Baltic 15.65%
East Mediterranean 9.19%
West Asian 8.40%
Eastern European 8.39%
West Mediterranean 8.19%
Amerindian 1.48%
Red Sea 1.43%
Sub-Saharan 0.87%

Hungarian 0.847773
West_German 1.02187
East_German 1.026124
Austrian 1.141513
Serbian 1.168934
South_Dutch 1.254725
North German 1.345677
French 1.423313

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[Leto]

Is it this? I couldn't make sense of this part.

Hungarian 41.2
West_German 11.4
Austrian 5.8
North_German 2.8
Danish 2.6
South_Dutch 2.6
Southeast_English 2.4
Serbian 2
West Scottish 2
Swedish 1.8
North_Dutch 1.6
Icelandic 1.4
Orcadian 1.4
Irish 1.2
La_Brana-1 1.2
Romanian 1.2
Loschbour 1
Motala12 1
West Sicilian 1
Bulgarian 0.8
Greek_Thessaly 0.8
Italian_Abruzzo 0.8
Southeast_English 0.8
Adygei 0.6
East Sicilian 0.6
Kumyk 0.6
Kurdish_Jew 0.6
Norwegian 0.6
Tuscan 0.6
Ashkenazi 0.4
Azeri 0.4
Chechen 0.4
Kabardin 0.4
Lebanese Muslim 0.4
North Swedish 0.4
Ossetian 0.4
Samaritan 0.4
South Italian 0.4
Abhkasian 0.2
Anzick-1 0.2
Bantu_SE 0.2
Central Greek 0.2
Cypriot 0.2
Egyptian 0.2
Georgian 0.2
Georgian_Jew 0.2
Italian_Jew 0.2
Karitiana 0.2
Kurdish 0.2
Lebanese Christian 0.2
Lezgin 0.2
Libyan_Jew 0.2
Palestinian 0.2
Sephardic_Jew 0.2
Syrian 0.2
Tunisian_Jew 0.2
Turkish 0.2
Yemenite_Jew 0.2
Too many components. I'll run you on Vahaduo later.

[Smitty]

Surprisingly, they just gave her a couple genetic communities, Pomerania and Brandenburg/Mecklenburg-Vorpommern. Further confirms the MPE, I'd say.

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[Adamastor]

Is it this? I couldn't make sense of this part.

Hungarian 41.2
West_German 11.4
Austrian 5.8
North_German 2.8
Danish 2.6
South_Dutch 2.6
Southeast_English 2.4
Serbian 2
West Scottish 2
Swedish 1.8
North_Dutch 1.6
Icelandic 1.4
Orcadian 1.4
Irish 1.2
La_Brana-1 1.2
Romanian 1.2
Loschbour 1
Motala12 1
West Sicilian 1
Bulgarian 0.8
Greek_Thessaly 0.8
Italian_Abruzzo 0.8
Southeast_English 0.8
Adygei 0.6
East Sicilian 0.6
Kumyk 0.6
Kurdish_Jew 0.6
Norwegian 0.6
Tuscan 0.6
Ashkenazi 0.4
Azeri 0.4
Chechen 0.4
Kabardin 0.4
Lebanese Muslim 0.4
North Swedish 0.4
Ossetian 0.4
Samaritan 0.4
South Italian 0.4
Abhkasian 0.2
Anzick-1 0.2
Bantu_SE 0.2
Central Greek 0.2
Cypriot 0.2
Egyptian 0.2
Georgian 0.2
Georgian_Jew 0.2
Italian_Jew 0.2
Karitiana 0.2
Kurdish 0.2
Lebanese Christian 0.2
Lezgin 0.2
Libyan_Jew 0.2
Palestinian 0.2
Sephardic_Jew 0.2
Syrian 0.2
Tunisian_Jew 0.2
Turkish 0.2
Yemenite_Jew 0.2

It's a nMonte oracle, it's more accurate than a conventional gedmatch oracle, it does not try to fit your ancestry in blocks of 2 and 4, but try to divide your DNA into all populations available. For that reason it's usually better to know exactly what is really there.

The more populations you have, the more mixed you are. I remember seeing Grace O'Malley's oracle and she had something like 2 or 3 populations, showing her DNA is very homogeneous.

Most new worlders will have tons of populations there, unless they have a single ethnic breakdown like Grace (she's fully Irish).

[Smitty]

It's a nMonte oracle, it's more accurate than a conventional gedmatch oracle, it does not try to fit your ancestry in blocks of 2 and 4, but try to divide your DNA into all populations available. For that reason it's usually better to know exactly what is really there.

The more populations you have, the more mixed you are. I remember seeing Grace O'Malley's oracle and she had something like 2 or 3 populations, showing her DNA is very homogeneous.

Most new worlders will have tons of populations there, unless they have a single ethnic breakdown like Grace (she's fully Irish).

Certainly true in this case. I played around on Vahaduo, and I couldn't get any really close distances, even using known ancestral components. The only close ones used Balkan populations to account for both the Sicilian and the Slavic.

[Leto]

Certainly true in this case. I played around on Vahaduo, and I couldn't get any really close distances, even using known ancestral components. The only close ones used Balkan populations to account for both the Sicilian and the Slavic.

North_Atlantic 35.70%
Baltic 26.38%
West Mediterranean 11.58%
West Asian 9.58%
East Mediterranean 11.79%
Red Sea 1.59%
South Asian 0.16%
Amerindian 2.09%
Sub-Saharan 1.13%

Target: Smitty_mom
Distance: 2.5001% / 2.50007469 | ADC: 0.25x
52.4 Hungarian
33.6 West_German
6.4 North_German
4.0 Lebanese_Druze
3.0 Tabassaran
0.4 Karitiana
0.2 Yoruban

Target: Smitty_mom
Distance: 3.7844% / 3.78438709 | ADC: 0.5x
51.6 Hungarian
36.2 West_German
10.2 Serbian
2.0 Tabassaran


North Sea 28.37%
Atlantic 18.03%
Baltic 15.65%
East Mediterranean 9.19%
West Asian 8.40%
Eastern European 8.39%
West Mediterranean 8.19%
Amerindian 1.48%
Red Sea 1.43%
Sub-Saharan 0.87%

Target: Smitty_mom
Distance: 3.0941% / 3.09409650 | ADC: 0.25x
46.0 Hungarian
36.4 West_German
9.8 Swedish
3.4 Georgian
2.2 Assyrian
2.2 Lebanese_Druze

Target: Smitty_mom
Distance: 4.1717% / 4.17169335 | ADC: 0.5x
54.4 Hungarian
42.4 West_German
2.8 Armenian
0.4 Georgian

[Smitty]

Target: Smitty_mom
Distance: 2.5001% / 2.50007469 | ADC: 0.25x
52.4 Hungarian
33.6 West_German
6.4 North_German
4.0 Lebanese_Druze
3.0 Tabassaran
0.4 Karitiana
0.2 Yoruban

Target: Smitty_mom
Distance: 3.7844% / 3.78438709 | ADC: 0.5x
51.6 Hungarian
36.2 West_German
10.2 Serbian
2.0 Tabassaran



Target: Smitty_mom
Distance: 3.0941% / 3.09409650 | ADC: 0.25x
46.0 Hungarian
36.4 West_German
9.8 Swedish
3.4 Georgian
2.2 Assyrian
2.2 Lebanese_Druze

Target: Smitty_mom
Distance: 4.1717% / 4.17169335 | ADC: 0.5x
54.4 Hungarian
42.4 West_German
2.8 Armenian
0.4 Georgian


Now, those are pretty close. Thanks for running them. Still seems to have her in Austria/Hungary. It's interesting that Caucasian populations are coming up too.