Y-DNA lineages of Scythians, Sarmatians, Alans and related Steppe cultures.

[axlredneck]

SCYTHIANS

Tagar culture(x8): R-Z2125 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-Z2125/), Q-L933 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/Q-L933/) + 2M + 4F

Pazyryk culture(x3): N-P43 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/N-P43/)(x2) + 1F

Aldy-Bel/Sagly culture(x18): R-YP1456 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-YP1456/), R-Z93 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-Z93/)(x2), Q-L330 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/Q-L330/)(x6), R-M513(x7), N-M231 + 1F

Zevakino-Chilikta culture(x2): Q-L332 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/Q-L332/) + 1F

Altai IA(x4): J-PH1795 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/J-PH1795/)(x2), Q-M25 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/Q-M25/)(x2)

Tasmola culture(x9): J-L620 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/J-L620/), R-YP1456 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-YP1456/)(x2) R-L23 + 2M + 3F

Central Steppe Sakas(x3): E-Y31991 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/E-Y31991/) + 1M + 1F

Tian-Shan Sakas(x12): Q-L330 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/Q-L330/), R-Z2125 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-Z2125/), J-Y13534 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/J-Y13534/)(x2), J-Z7706 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/J-Z7706/) + 5M + 2F

Ural Scythians(x1): R-Z645

Volga Scythians(x1): R-Z93 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-Z93/)

Donets Scythians(x7): R-Z94 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-Z94/), R-Z2124 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-Z2124/), Q-L332 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/Q-L332/), J-Y15598 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/J-Y15598/) + 1M + 2F

Pontic Steppe Scythians(x4): R-BY30764 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-BY30764/), R-Z645 + 2F

Caucasus Scythians - nil

Royal Scythians(x1): R-S23201 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-S23201/)

Caspian Steppe (Rostov) Scythians: nil

[axlredneck]

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[axlredneck]

SARMATIANS

Central Steppe Sarmatians(x2): I-S17511 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/I-S17511/) + 1F

Caspian Steppe Sarmatians(x8): Q-BZ180 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/Q-BZ180/), R-Y52 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-Y52/), R-YP5844 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-YP5844/) + 2M + 3F

Caucasus Sarmatians(x4): J-ZS6592 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/J-ZS6592/)(x2), R-Z2124 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-Z2124/), Q-L332 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/Q-L332/)

Pokrovka Sarmatians(x4): R-Y23099 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-Y23099/) + 2M + 1F

Ural Sarmatians(x12): R-Y52 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-Y52/), R-FGC48758 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-FGC48758/), R-YP3920 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-YP3920/), E-Y31991 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/E-Y31991/), R-M417, R-Z645 + 6F

[axlredneck]

ALANS

Caucasus Alans(x7): R-Y7358 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-Y73758/), G-P303+ (https://www.yfull.com/tree/G-P303/), Q-YP4000 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/Q-YP4000/), Q-L330 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/Q-L330/) + 3F

Don Alans(x7): G-P303+ (https://www.yfull.com/tree/G-P303/)(x4) + 3F

http://pereformat.ru/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/g-17.jpg
Source: http://pereformat.ru/2014/09/don-alans/

[axlredneck]

SALTOVO-MAYAKI

Donets region(x6): J-PH1795 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/J-PH1795/), R-Z2124 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-Z2124/), G-Z6653 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/G-Z6653/) + 3M

[Kaspias]

Turks

Thracian culture: Kaspias

[axlredneck]

Turks

Thracian culture: Kaspias

:cool: :thumb001:

[Daos777]

E being found in the urals and central steppe Saka homeland is interesting.

[axlredneck]

E being found in the urals and central steppe Saka homeland is interesting.

Indeed!

[axlredneck]

XIONGNU & HUNS

Eastern Steppe Xiongnu(x5): R-PH200 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-PH200/), R-L645 + 2M (probably Han Chinese) + 1F

Central Steppe Huns(x2): Q-YP771 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/Q-YP771/), R-Y39884 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-Y39884/)

IA Shirenzigou Huns(x10): R-PH200 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-PH200/), R-PH155 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-PH155/), Q-M120 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/Q-M120/), Q-F5400 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/Q-F5400/) + 6F

Tian-Shan Huns(x23): Q-L715 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/Q-L715/)(x3), E-V22 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/E-V22/), R-PH200 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-PH200/), L-Y31961 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/L-Y31961/), N-TAT (https://www.yfull.com/tree/N-TAT/), R-S23592 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-S23592/)(x2), Q-YP4500 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/Q-YP4500/), R-YP1456 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-YP1456/) + 2M + 10F

Carpathian Huns(x3): Q-M25 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/Q-M25/), R-Z2124 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-Z2124/), R-U106 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-U106/)

Serbian Gepid-Hun(x1): R-PH155 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-PH155/)

Eastern Steppe_LBA(x1): R-Z2123 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-Z2123/)

[Illyrius]

What???
Haplogroup E as far as Eastern Xiongnu???

[porpozontokonto]

nice

[vbnetkhio]

Mezőcsát culture:

N-Y6503 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/N-Y6503/)

Hungarian Scythians:

G-PF3378 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/G-PF3378/), R1

Moldovan Scythians:

R1b1a1a2 x3 (R-M269, the western branch of r1b)

Cimmerians, Moldova and Ukraine:

Q1a1
R1b1a
R1a2c-B111

Ukrainian Scythians:

R1a-Z645
J2a8-B437
R1b1a1a2 (R-M269, the western branch of r1b)
Q1c-L332 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/Q-L332/)
R1a-M417
R1a2-Z93

About Mezőcsát and Hungarian Scythians:



In the Carpathian Basin, the Iron Age commenced around 800 BC, when a new population moved into the territory and took possession of the former population's centers fortified by earthworks.[20][21] The new population may have consisted of ancient Iranian tribes that had seceded from the federation of the tribes living under the suzerainty of the Cimmerians.[20][21] They were equestrian nomads and formed the people of the Mezőcsát culture who used tools and weapons made of iron. They extended their rule over what are now the Great Hungarian Plain and the eastern parts of Transdanubia.[21]

Around 750 BC, people of the Hallstatt culture gradually occupied the western parts of Transdanubia, but the earlier population of the territory also survived and thus the two archaeological cultures existed together for centuries.[20] The people of the Hallstatt culture took over the former population's fortifications (e.g., in Velem, Celldömölk, Tihany) but they also built new ones enclosed with earthworks (e.g., in Sopron).[20][21] The nobility were buried in chamber tombs covered by earth.[20] Some of their settlements situated along the Amber Road developed into commercial centers.[20][21]

Between 550 and 500 BC, new people settled along the river Tisza and in Transylvania.[20][21] Their immigration may have been connected either to the military campaigns of king Darius I of Persia (522 BC - 486 BC) on the Balkan Peninsula or to the struggles between the Cimmerians and the Scythians.[20][21] Those people, who settled down in Transylvania and in the Banat, may be identified with the Agathyrsi (probably an ancient Thracian tribe whose presence on the territory was recorded by Herodotus); while those who lived in what is now the Great Hungarian Plain may be identified with the Sigynnae.[20] The new population introduced the use of the potter's wheel in the Carpathian Basin and they maintained close commercial contacts with the neighboring peoples.[20]

[axlredneck]

What???
Haplogroup E as far as Eastern Xiongnu???

Those Tian-Shan Huns ain't exactly eastern. They're from Kyrgyzstan, and that region was a melting pot.

https://ibb.co/x2trmzB
https://ibb.co/34G1mH2

[Kmakkmak]

Royal scythians is R1a-Z93. Berel 11 arzhan 2 royal scythian burial have Y dna R1a-Z93.

[axlredneck]

Mezőcsát culture:

N-Y6503 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/N-Y6503/)

Hungarian Scythians:

G-PF3378 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/G-PF3378/), R1

Moldovan Scythians:

R1b1a1a2 x3 (the western branch of r1b)

Cimmerians, Moldova and Ukraine:

Q1a1
R1b1a
R1a2c-B111

Ukrainian Scythians:

R1a-Z645
J2a8-B437
R1b1a1a2 (the western branch of r1b)
Q1c-L332 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/Q-L332/)
R1a-M417
R1a2-Z93

About Mezőcsát and Hungarian Scythians:

I've included the Ukrainian Scythians, but omitted the Hungarian and Moldovan Scythians -- incuded one though, from Glinoe -- which was in the Steppe cluster, and whose Y-DNA was of the Steppe type. Others ain't really Scythian!

[vbnetkhio]

I've included the Ukrainian Scythian, but omitted the Hungarian and Moldovan Scythians (incuded one though, from Glinoe, which was in the Steppe cluster, and whose Y-DNA was of the Steppe type). Others ain't really Scythian

Mezőcsát and Cimmerians are also Iranic steppe nomads, just like Sarmatians and Alans you mentioned in the title

[vbnetkhio]

What???
Haplogroup E as far as Eastern Xiongnu???

there was E in the BMAC, maybe it's from them?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bactria%E2%80%93Margiana_Archaeological_Complex#Ge netics

[axlredneck]

Royal scythians is R1a-Z93. Berel 11 arzhan 2 royal scythian burial have Y dna R1a-Z93.

Thanks for the information. I've nonetheless included the same under Pazyryk culture: R-S23201.

Edit: Change made in the original post.

[axlredneck]

Mezőcsát and Cimmerians are also Iranic steppe nomads, just like Sarmatians and Alans you mentioned in the title

I was in the process of adding Cimmerians, I'll add 'em asap. Thanks for informing me about Mezőcsáts, I'll add 'em too.

[axlredneck]

CIMMERIANS & MEZŐCSÁT

Cimmerians(x6): R-Z93 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-Z93/), Q-Y558 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/Q-Y558/) + R-M417(x2) + 2F

Mezőcsát culture(x1): N-Y6503 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/N-Y6503/)

[axlredneck]

SCYTHIANS

Tagar culture(x20): R-Z2125 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-Z2125/), Q-L933 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/Q-L933/), R-M420(x6) + 2M + 10F

Pazyryk culture(x3): N-P43 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/N-P43/)(x2) + 1F

Aldy-Bel culture(x17): R-Z93 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-Z93/)(x2), Q-L330 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/Q-L330/)(x6), R-M513(x7), N-M231 + 1F

Zevakino-Chilikta culture(x2): Q-L332 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/Q-L332/) + 1F

Altai IA(x4): J-PH1795 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/J-PH1795/)(x2), Q-M25 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/Q-M25/)(x2)

Tasmola culture(x9): J-L620 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/J-L620/), R-YP1456 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-YP1456/)(x2), R-L23 + 2M + 3F

Central Steppe Sakas(x3): E-Y31991 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/E-Y31991/) + 1M + 1F

Tian-Shan Sakas(x12): Q-L330 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/Q-L330/), R-Z2125 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-Z2125/), J-Y13534 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/J-Y13534/)(x2), J-Z7706 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/J-Z7706/) + 5M + 2F

Ural Scythians(x1): R-Z645

Volga Scythians(x1): R-Z2123 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-Z2123/)

Donets Scythians(x11): R-Z94 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-Z94/), R-Z2124 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-Z2124/), Q-L332 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/Q-L332/), J-Y15598 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/J-Y15598/) + 1M + 6F

Pontic Steppe Scythians(x5): R-BY30764 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-BY30764/), R-Z645 + 3F

Royal Scythians(x2): R-S23201 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-S23201/), R-YP1456 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-YP1456/)

Caspian Steppe Scythians(x15): 15F

Scythian Neapolis Scythians(x1): 1F

Caucasus Scythians(x4): 4F

[axlredneck]

SARMATIANS

Central Steppe Sarmatians(x2): I-S17511 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/I-S17511/) + 1F

Caspian Steppe Sarmatians(x8): Q-BZ180 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/Q-BZ180/), R-Y52 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-Y52/), R-YP5844 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-YP5844/) + 2M + 3F

Caucasus Sarmatians(x4): J-ZS6592 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/J-ZS6592/)(x2), R-Z2124 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-Z2124/), Q-L332 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/Q-L332/)

Pokrovka Sarmatians(x4): R-Y23099 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-Y23099/) + 2M + 1F

Ural Sarmatians(x12): R-Y52 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-Y52/), R-FGC48758 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-FGC48758/), R-YP3920 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-YP3920/), E-Y31991 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/E-Y31991/), R-M417, R-Z645 + 6F

[axlredneck]

ALANS

Caucasus Alans(x8): R-Y7358 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-Y73758/), R-Z2124 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-Z2124/), Q-YP4000 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/Q-YP4000/), Q-L330 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/Q-L330/), G-P303+ (https://www.yfull.com/tree/G-P303/) + 3F

Don Alans(x7): G-P303+ (https://www.yfull.com/tree/G-P303/)(x4) + 3F

http://pereformat.ru/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/g-17.jpg
Source: http://pereformat.ru/2014/09/don-alans/

[axlredneck]

SALTOVO-MAYAKI CULTURE

Donets region(x6): J-PH1795 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/J-PH1795/), R-Z2124 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-Z2124/), G-Z6653 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/G-Z6653/) + 3M

[axlredneck]

XIONGNU & HUNS

Eastern Steppe Xiongnu(x5): R-PH200 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-PH200/), R-L645 + 2M (Han Chinese) + 1F

Central Steppe Huns(x2): Q-YP771 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/Q-YP771/), R-Y39884 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-Y39884/)

IA Shirenzigou Huns(x10): R-PH200 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-PH200/), R-PH155 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-PH155/), Q-M120 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/Q-M120/), Q-F5400 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/Q-F5400/) + 6F

Tian-Shan Huns(x23): Q-L715 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/Q-L715/)(x3), E-V22 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/E-V22/), R-PH200 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-PH200/), L-Y31961 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/L-Y31961/), N-TAT (https://www.yfull.com/tree/N-TAT/), R-S23592 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-S23592/)(x2), Q-YP4500 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/Q-YP4500/), R-YP1456 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-YP1456/) + 2M + 10F

Carpathian Huns(x3): Q-M25 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/Q-M25/), R-Z2124 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-Z2124/), R-U106 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-U106/)

Serbian Gepid-Hun(x1): R-PH155 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-PH155/)

Eastern Steppe_LBA(x1): R-Z2123 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-Z2123/)

Nomads_Hun Period(x2): N-Y16220 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/N-Y16220/) + 1F

[Bosniensis]

These are all modern Turks

Nice.

[Chelubey]

they look very turkic (combination of R1a-z93+Q-subclades)

[Chelubey]

ALANS

Caucasus Alans(x8): R-Y7358 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-Y73758/), R-Z2124 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-Z2124/), Q-YP4000 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/Q-YP4000/), Q-L330 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/Q-L330/), G-P303+ (https://www.yfull.com/tree/G-P303/) + 3F

Don Alans(x7): G-P303+ (https://www.yfull.com/tree/G-P303/)(x4) + 3F

http://pereformat.ru/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/g-17.jpg
Source: http://pereformat.ru/2014/09/don-alans/
The hgs of Balkars :
http://assia.info/images/dnk-issledovaniya/pics/1/2.png

[axlredneck]

The hgs of Balkars :
http://assia.info/images/dnk-issledovaniya/pics/1/2.png

Half of their Y-lines are of steppe origin - wow!

[axlredneck]

XIONGNU ELITES

Heigouliang cemetery(x12): Q-M378 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/Q-M378/)(x4), Q-L472* (https://www.yfull.com/tree/Q-L472*/)(x6), Q*(x2)

Barkol cemetery(x3): Q-M3 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/Q-M3/)(x3)

Duurlig Nars cemetery(x3): R-Z2124 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-Z2124/), C-M217 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/C-M217/) + 1F

[axlredneck]

ALANS

Caucasus Alans(x8): R-Y7358 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-Y73758/), R-Z2124 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-Z2124/), Q-YP4000 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/Q-YP4000/), Q-L330 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/Q-L330/), G-P303+ (https://www.yfull.com/tree/G-P303/) + 3F

Don Alans(x7): G-P303+ (https://www.yfull.com/tree/G-P303/)(x4) + 3F

http://pereformat.ru/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/g-17.jpg
Source: http://pereformat.ru/2014/09/don-alans/

UPDATE: G-P303 Alans belong to this subclade: -

Don Alans(x4): G-FT8419 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/G-FT8419/)(x4)

Caucasus Alans(x1): G-FT8419 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/G-FT8419/)(x1)

[axlredneck]

PRE-TURKIC CENTRAL ASIANS

Wusun(x4): R-Y41571 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-Y41571/) + 1M + 2F

Kangju(x6): R-S23592 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-S23592/), T-Y13279 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/T-Y13279/), R-M459 + 3F

[axlredneck]

HUNGARIAN CONQUERORS

Eastern Y-lines:
https://www.yfull.com/tree/C-Y15849/
https://www.yfull.com/tree/Q-Y515/
https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-Y934/
https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-Z93/
https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-Z2124/ (×2)
https://www.yfull.com/tree/N-PH1612/ (×4)
https://www.yfull.com/tree/N-Y13850/ (×8)
https://www.yfull.com/tree/G-L30/
https://www.yfull.com/tree/G-L1266/ (×2)
https://www.yfull.com/tree/G-Z6653/ (×2)
https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-Z2106/
https://www.yfull.com/tree/J-FGC6064/ (×2)
https://www.yfull.com/tree/J-L26/

Western Y-lines:
https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-CTS1211/ (4)
https://www.yfull.com/tree/E-V13/ (x2)
https://www.yfull.com/tree/I-S17250/ (x5)
https://www.yfull.com/tree/I1/
https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-U106/ (x3)
https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-U152/
https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-M269/

Karos Leaders:
https://www.yfull.com/tree/I-A815/ (x2)

Árpád Royals:
https://www.yfull.com/tree/J-CTS1460/
https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-YP451/ (Béla III)
https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-M478/
https://www.yfull.com/tree/E-P177/ + R-M420(x2)

[axlredneck]

AVARS

Proto-Avars(x2): N-F22331 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/N-F22331/) + 1F

Pannonian Avars(x39): C-F1756 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/C-F1756/)(x2), R-Z2124 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-Z2124/)(x2), N-F4205 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/N-F4205/)(x21), E-V13 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/E-V13/), I1 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/I1/), G-L1259 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/G-L1259/), N-M178, Q-YP791, Q-Z35973 + 8F

Royal Avars(x1): N-M178

[axlredneck]

Turkmenistan IA(x1): R-Z93 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-Z93/)

[axlredneck]

MEDIEVAL TURKICS

Cuman-Kipchaks(x2): C-Y11990 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/C-Y11990/), G-Z6922 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/G-Z6922/)

Karluks(x2): J-KMS86 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/J-KMS86/)(x2)

Karakhanids(x3): J-KMS86 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/J-KMS86/), J-Y14700 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/J-Y14700/) + 1F

Kimaks(x1): R-Y14051 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-Y14051/)

Gokturks(x4): Q-L715 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/Q-L715/), O-CTS4052 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/O-CTS4052/), R-M173(x2)

Bulgars(x1): R-Y52 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-Y52/)

Khazars(x9): 8M + 1F

Turkic Nomads(x9): C-Y12825 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/C-Y12825/), J-PH1795 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/J-PH1795/), R-CTS6 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-CTS6/), R-Y14051 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-Y14051/) + 5F

Elite Khaganate Soldier(x1): R-M173

[axlredneck]

MEDIEVAL MONGOLS

Golden Horde(x1): C-Y4633 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/C-Y4633/)

(Apparent)Mongol Imperials(x6): R-Y20750 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-Y20750/)(x2), R-M459 + 3F

[axlredneck]

Rouran Khaganate(x1): C-F3918 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/C-F3918/)

[axlredneck]

Karasuk culture(x11): R-YP520 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-YP520/), R-YP1558 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-YP1558/), Q-L712 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/Q-L712/), R-M420(x2) + 6F

[axlredneck]

PRE-SCYTHIANS

Karasuk culture(x11): R-YP520 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-YP520/), R-YP1558 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-YP1558/), Q-L712 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/Q-L712/), R-M420(x2) + 6F

Cimmerians(x6): R-Z93 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-Z93/), Q-Y558 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/Q-Y558/), R-M417(x2) + 2F

Mezőcsát culture(x1): N-Y6503 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/N-Y6503/)

[axlredneck]

SCYTHIANS

Tagar culture(x20): Q-L933 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/Q-L933/), R-Z2125 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-Z2125/), R-M173(x2), R-M420(x6) + 10F

Tashtyk culture(x6): R-M420 + 5F

Pazyryk culture(x4): N-P43 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/N-P43/)(x2), R-Z2124 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-Z2124/) + 1F

Altai IA(x3): Q-M25 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/Q-M25/)(x2), R-Z2123 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-Z2123/)

Bulan-Koba culture(x2): J-PH1795 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/J-PH1795/)(x2)

Aldy-Bel culture(x17): Q-L330 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/Q-L330/)(x6), R-Z93 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-Z93/)(x2), R-M513(x7), N-M231 + 1F

Zevakino-Chilikta culture(x2): Q-L332 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/Q-L332/) + 1F

Tasmola culture(x9): J-P58 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/J-P58/), R-YP1456 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-YP1456/)(x2), R-L23 + 2M + 3F

Central Steppe Sakas(x3): E-PF4428 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/E-PF4428/), R-M173 + 1F

Scythian Nomads(x4): R-Y16006 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-Y16006/), R-Y20750 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-Y20750/), Q-YP1695 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/Q-YP1695/) + 1F

Tian-Shan Sakas(x12): J-Y14700 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/J-Y14700/)(x3), Q-L330 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/Q-L330/), R-Z2125 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-Z2125/), R-M420(x5) + 2F

Turkmenistan IA(x1): R-Z93 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-Z93/)

Ural Scythians(x1): R-Z645

Volga Scythians(x1): R-Z2123 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-Z2123/)

Donets Scythians(x10): R-Z94 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-Z94/), R-Z2124 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-Z2124/), J-M319 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/J-M319/), R-M173 + 6F

Pontic Steppe Scythians(x6): R-Y178665 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-Y178665/), Q-L332 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/Q-L332/), R-Z645 + 3F

Rostov Scythians(x16): R-YP1563 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-YP1563/) + 15F

Royal Scythians(x3): R-YP1456 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-YP1456/)(x2), R-S23201 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-S23201/)

Scythian Neapolis Scythians(x1): 1F

Caucasus Scythians(x4): 4F

[axlredneck]

SARMATIANS

Central Steppe Sarmatians(x2): I-S17511 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/I-S17511/) + 1F

Rostov Sarmatians(x8): Q-BZ180 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/Q-BZ180/), R-Y52 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-Y52/), R-YP5844 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-YP5844/), R-M207(x2) + 3F

Caucasus Sarmatians(x4): J-ZS6592 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/J-ZS6592/)(x2), R-Z2124 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-Z2124/), Q-L332 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/Q-L332/)

Pokrovka Sarmatians(x4): R-Y23099 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-Y23099/) + 2M + 1F

Ural Sarmatians(x12): E-M84 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/E-M84/), R-Y52 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-Y52/), R-YP5844 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-YP5844/), R-YP3920 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-YP3920/), R-M417, R-Z645 + 6F

[axlredneck]

ALANS & SALTOVO-MAYAKI

Caucasus Alans(x6): Q-YP4055 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/Q-YP4055/), Q-L330 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/Q-L330/), G-FT8419 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/G-FT8419/) + 3F

Kislovodsk Alans(x2): R-Y73758 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-Y73758/), R-Z2124 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-Z2124/)

Don Alans(x6): G-FT8419 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/G-FT8419/)(x4) + 2F

Saltovo-Mayaki(x6): J-PH1795 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/J-PH1795/), R-Z2124 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-Z2124/)(x2), G-Z6653 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/G-Z6653/), G-P15 + 1M

[axlredneck]

XIONGNU

Hovsgol Xiongnu(x2): R-PH200 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-PH200/) + 1F

Arkhangai Aristocrats(x1): R-PH155 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-PH155/)

Egyin Gol Xiongnu(x12): C-M217 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/C-M217/)(x10), N-TAT (https://www.yfull.com/tree/N-TAT/)(x2)

Heigouliang Kings(x12): Q-M378 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/Q-M378/)(x4), Q-L472* (https://www.yfull.com/tree/Q-L472*/)(x6), Q*(x2)

Barkol Xiongnu(x3): Q-M3 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/Q-M3/)(x3)

Duurlig Nars Elites(x3): R-Z2124 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-Z2124/), C-M217 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/C-M217/) + 1F

Chinese buried alongside Xiongnu(x2): O-FGC54474 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/O-FGC54474/), O-MF14338 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/O-MF14338/)

Hovsgol_LBA(x20): Q-L472 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/Q-L472/)(x10), R-Z2123 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-Z2123/) + 9F

[axlredneck]

HUNS & AVARS

Korgantas culture(x2): Q-YP771 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/Q-YP771/), R-Y39884 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-Y39884/)

Tian-Shan Huns(x22): Q-L715 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/Q-L715/)(x3), E-V22 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/E-V22/), R-PH200 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-PH200/), L-Y31961 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/L-Y31961/), N-TAT (https://www.yfull.com/tree/N-TAT/), R-YP1456 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-YP1456/)(x3), Q-YP4500 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/Q-YP4500/) + 2M + 9F

Carpathian Huns(x3): Q-M25 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/Q-M25/), R-Z2124 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-Z2124/), R-U106 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-U106/)

Viminacium Gepid-Hun(x1): R-PH155 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-PH155/)

Proto-Avars(x2): N-F22331 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/N-F22331/) + 1F

Pannonian Avars(x39): C-F1756 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/C-F1756/)(x2), R-Z2124 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-Z2124/)(x2), N-F4205 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/N-F4205/)(x21), E-V13 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/E-V13/), I1 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/I1/), G-L1259 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/G-L1259/), N-M178, Q-YP791, Q-Z35973 + 8F

Royal Avars(x1): N-M178

[axlredneck]

PRE-TURKIC CENTRAL ASIANS

Wusun(x4): R-Y41571 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-Y41571/) + 1M + 2F

Kangju(x6): R-S23592 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-S23592/), T-Y13279 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/T-Y13279/), R-M459 + 3F

Shirenzigou IA Nomads(x10): R-PH200 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-PH200/)(x2), Q-M120 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/Q-M120/), Q-F5400 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/Q-F5400/) + 4M + 2F

[axlredneck]

MEDIEVAL TURKICS & MONGOLS

Cuman-Kipchaks(x2): C-Y11990 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/C-Y11990/), G-Z6922 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/G-Z6922/)

Karluks(x2): J-KMS86 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/J-KMS86/)(x2)

Karakhanids(x3): J-KMS86 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/J-KMS86/), J-Y14700 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/J-Y14700/) + 1F

Kimaks(x1): R-Y14051 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-Y14051/)

Gokturks(x4): Q-L715 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/Q-L715/), O-CTS4052 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/O-CTS4052/), R-M173(x2)

Bulgars(x1): R-Y52 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-Y52/)

Khazars(x9): 8M + 1F

Turkic Nomads(x9): C-Y12825 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/C-Y12825/), J-PH1795 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/J-PH1795/), R-CTS6 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-CTS6/), R-Y14051 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-Y14051/) + 5F

Elite Khaganate Soldier(x1): R-M173

Rouran Khaganate(x1): C-F3918 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/C-F3918/)

Golden Horde(x1): C-Y4633 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/C-Y4633/)

(Apparent)Mongol Imperials(x6): R-Y20750 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-Y20750/)(x2), R-M459 + 3F

[axlredneck]

HUNGARIAN CONQUERORS

Eastern Y-lines:
https://www.yfull.com/tree/C-Y15849/
https://www.yfull.com/tree/Q-Y515/
https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-Y934/
https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-Z93/
https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-Z2124/ (×2)
https://www.yfull.com/tree/N-PH1612/ (×4)
https://www.yfull.com/tree/N-Y13850/ (×8)
https://www.yfull.com/tree/G-L30/
https://www.yfull.com/tree/G-L1266/ (×2)
https://www.yfull.com/tree/G-Z6653/ (×2)
https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-Z2106/
https://www.yfull.com/tree/J-FGC6064/ (×2)
https://www.yfull.com/tree/J-L26/

Western Y-lines:
https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-CTS1211/ (x4)
https://www.yfull.com/tree/E-V13/ (x2)
https://www.yfull.com/tree/I-S17250/ (x5)
https://www.yfull.com/tree/I1/
https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-U106/ (x3)
https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-U152/
https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-M269/

Karos Leaders:
https://www.yfull.com/tree/I-A815/ (x2)

Árpád Royals:
https://www.yfull.com/tree/J-CTS1460/
https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-YP451/ (Béla III)
https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-M478/
https://www.yfull.com/tree/E-P177/
R-M420(x2)

[axlredneck]

ANATOLIAN CONQUERORS

Anatolia IA(x1): 1F

Ottomans(x2): 1F + 1J.


TOCHARIANS

Xiaohe(x12): R-M198(x11), K*


SOUTH ASIAN CONQUERORS

Kushan-Yuezhi(x5): R-FGC13203 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-FGC13203/)(x2), R-Z2123 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-Z2123/) + 2F

Greco-Bactrian/Saka-Parthian(x5): J-Y6305 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/J-Y6305/)(x2) + 3F

[Zoro]

SCYTHIANS

Tagar culture(x20): Q-L933 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/Q-L933/), R-Z2125 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-Z2125/), R-M173(x2), R-M420(x6) + 10F

Tashtyk culture(x6): R-M420 + 5F

Pazyryk culture(x4): N-P43 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/N-P43/)(x2), R-Z2124 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-Z2124/) + 1F

Altai IA(x3): Q-M25 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/Q-M25/)(x2), R-Z2123 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-Z2123/)




Carpathian Huns(x3): Q-M25 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/Q-M25/)

Some of these are my ancestors!

We should also remember that some people have inherited the Scythian DNA of the males you listed through their daughters (maternal haplogroups). Here are some

https://i.imgur.com/xvbPsXF.jpg

[axlredneck]

Some of these are my ancestors!

Cool! Go ahead and claim 'em. I dont care!


We should also remember that some people have inherited the Scythian DNA of the males you listed through their daughters (maternal haplogroups). Here are some

Inheriting "Scythian DNA" paternally is more important than inheriting it maternally. Ancient civilizations and cultures claimed descent from Fathers!

[Zoro]

Cool! Go ahead and claim 'em. I dont care!



Inheriting "Scythian DNA" paternally is more important than inheriting it maternally. Ancient civilizations and cultures claimed descent from Fathers!

ok i get it but daughter's contribute as much as sons their dad's DNA. They just happen to not show the Dad's Y-DNA label but dad's genes are still in them just the same

[Turul Karom]

Lots of R1, and even R1b going on here too.

[xripkan]

I am looking forward to be discovered my haplogroup in an ancient genome. I believe it will be found among Sarmatians of Pontic Steppe and Danube regions.

[Turul Karom]

R1b-U106 Conqueror lineage in Uzbekistan AND Hungary:

https://i.imgur.com/BGhQBPG.png

[axlredneck]

R1b-U106 Conqueror lineage in Uzbekistan AND Hungary:

https://i.imgur.com/BGhQBPG.png

That's indeed a WOW!

[axlredneck]

I am looking forward to be discovered my haplogroup in an ancient genome. I believe it will be found among Sarmatians of Pontic Steppe and Danube regions.

The Y-dna of Steppe nomads from eastern end of the Steppe to the western end are listed in the thread. If your SNP wasn't found so far, it's likely that you ain't gonna find it. And, R-Z2122 is a very rare subclade, so finding an ancient specimen from one of its minor downstream is a one-in-a-million chance! Good luck with that!

[Kaspias]

I am looking forward to be discovered my haplogroup in an ancient genome. I believe it will be found among Sarmatians of Pontic Steppe and Danube regions.

I couldn't remember, what was the level of your Y test? Big-Y?

[xripkan]

The Y-dna of Steppe nomads from eastern end of the Steppe to the western end are listed in the thread. If your SNP wasn't found so far, it's likely that you ain't gonna find it. And, R-Z2122 is a very rare subclade, so finding an ancient specimen from one of its minor downstream is a one-in-a-million chance! Good luck with that!

I hope it will be found at the future. I know it is quite rare but it is clear that my clade belonged to a nomad Steppe group that entered Europe possibly the Roman Age.

[xripkan]

I couldn't remember, what was the level of your Y test? Big-Y?

Yseq DNA

[axlredneck]

Just for reference, there's one R-Z93 from Glinoe, and he's R-Y178665.

[Kaspias]

Yseq DNA

Did you compare your STR results with other R-YP4768 people?

https://www.yfull.com/chart/tree/R-YP4768/

[xripkan]

Did you compare your STR results with other R-YP4768 people?

https://www.yfull.com/chart/tree/R-YP4768/

I don't have STR results. I bought just SNP. Though I know that there is a Greek with my clade ( I don't know his name) who shares STRs with the Ukrainian.
The Ukrainian guy has paternal ancestry from Southern Romania (Wallachia region). It is possible that he is the closest match to me as well.

[axlredneck]

IA SOUTH ASIAN CONQUERORS

Kushan-Yuezhi(x3): R-FGC13203 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-FGC13203/), R-Y3399 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-Y3399/), R-Z2123 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-Z2123/)

Greco-Bactrian/Indo-Saka/Parthian(x5): J-Y6305 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/J-Y6305/)(x2) + 3F

[Kmakkmak]

IA SOUTH ASIAN CONQUERORS

Kushan-Yuezhi(x3): R-FGC13203 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-FGC13203/), R-Y3399 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-Y3399/), R-Z2123 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-Z2123/)

Greco-Bactrian/Indo-Saka/Parthian(x5): J-Y6305 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/J-Y6305/)(x2) + 3F

What is the name of Kushan-Yuezhi burial?

[axlredneck]

What is the name of Kushan-Yuezhi burial?

Ksirov

[axlredneck]

Xiaohe Tarim mummies(x12): R-M198(x11), K*

[Pater Patota]

I don’t know the others but J’s are definitely Iranic related people.

[Kmakkmak]

I don’t know the others but J’s are definitely Iranic related people.

J is iranicized.

[Black Wolf]

There are J2a subclades present among the early Xiongnu, late Xiongnu, Turks (Turkic period Mongolia), and Khitan samples from the new Jeong paper.

[Kmakkmak]

There are J2a subclades present among the early Xiongnu, late Xiongnu, Turks (Turkic period Mongolia), and Khitan samples from the new Jeong paper.

Many Turkic Tribe Have J2a-rich.

[Pater Patota]

J2a must be moved from Caucasus&Iran to Central Asia&Siberia.Otherwise it’s no sense.J2 is definitely not Turkic.

[Kmakkmak]

J2a must be moved from Caucasus&Iran to Central Asia&Siberia.Otherwise it’s no sense.J2 is definitely not Turkic.

Mesopotamian-West Asian-Anatolian.

[Kaspias]

J2a must be moved from Caucasus&Iran to Central Asia&Siberia.Otherwise it’s no sense.J2 is definitely not Turkic.


Mesopotamian-West Asian-Anatolian.

What is the definition of Turkic?

[Bosniensis]

What is the definition of Turkic?

We should ask Attaturk, he was father of all Turks and Raki.

According to him, Anatolians are Turks.

I wonder how Persians remained Persians after being so long under Arab occupation yet Anatolians disappeared from the face of Earth.

[Kaspias]

We should ask Attaturk, he was father of all Turks and Raki.

According to him, Anatolians are Turks.

I wonder how Persians remained Persians after being so long under Arab occupation yet Anatolians disappeared from the face of Earth.

Lol, I didn't mean this.

Anatolians haven't disappeared but lives in Greece, you can visit. We also have a different version of them in Turkey, but they have a kind of spice, called Turkic. They may not be the Anatolians you imagine. :D

[eatensemn]

J2 is definitely not Turkic.
So please what is turkic. Only mongoloid haplogroups?

[Mejgusu]

So please what is turkic. Only mongoloid haplogroups?

No, i dont think so. Turkics absorbed and incudes many ethnicities, mostly central eurasians. From Eastern Europeans to eastern siberians, many of them represent the foundation of turkics. Because of that it would be better to ask: Who where the ancestors of first turkics.

[Mejgusu]

We should ask Attaturk, he was father of all Turks and Raki.

According to him, Anatolians are Turks.

I wonder how Persians remained Persians after being so long under Arab occupation yet Anatolians disappeared from the face of Earth.

Whom i can contact to ask what you are?

[Black Wolf]

From what we know from the ancient DNA samples we have so far the ancient Turkic peoples had a good mix of West Eurasian origin and East Eurasian origin Y-DNA haplogroups. Their mtDNA haplogroups seem to be dominated by East Eurasian haplogroups with a minority of West Eurasian origin.

[Pater Patota]

So please what is turkic. Only mongoloid haplogroups?

I’m talking about genetically so, I believe the first Turkic tribes were mostly R1a, Q, N Y-DNA.Later they mixed into Iranic&Caucasian tribes which are mostly J2, J1 and E.

[Kaspias]

From what we know from the ancient DNA samples we have so far the ancient Turkic peoples had a good mix of West Eurasian origin and East Eurasian origin Y-DNA haplogroups. Their mtDNA haplogroups seem to be dominated by East Eurasian haplogroups with a minority of West Eurasian origin.


I’m talking about genetically so, I believe the first Turkic tribes were mostly R1a, Q, N Y-DNA.Later they mixed into Iranic&Caucasian tribes which are mostly J2, J1 and E.

As opposite to what most people believe, Turks seem to inherited their IE admixture from Proto-Uralic/Ugrics. Direct Iranic contact after formation of Turkic group only occurred in the South part of Central Asia, among Karluks. The migration of Oghuz is another story.

We can conclude it Turkic form were including like half-half Uralic/Ugric and Altai/Yenisei, also slight Iranic. But they seem to adopted culture of Uralic/Ugric side at the beginning, and "Altaified" afterward thanks to common confederations with Mongols. In this sense N haplogroup comes to mind as one of the most important ones, also R, J, G, Q, C can be described as haplogroups Proto-Turks were carrying.

So yes, assimilation of Iranic tribes and mixing with them is just bullshit.


I don't want to speak in a certain way, because I feel I have to do some more experiment on genetics, but I can share my current knowledge:

The formation of Turkic ethnicity were not like direct mixing of East Eurasian Altaic race and West Eurasian people. West Eurasian part of Turks already came with some degree East Eurasian admixture. See the Eastern/Siberian Hunter Gatherers:

Distance to: RUS_Sosonivoy_HG
0.19009496 Udmurt
0.19824403 Saami
0.20190953 Besermyan
0.20640008 Tlingit
0.21944374 Komi
0.22207225 Mari
0.22211948 Chuvash
0.22368941 Bashkir
0.22648800 Tatar_Siberian_Zabolotniye
0.22669277 Mansi
0.23168044 Tatar_Kazan
0.23177821 Khanty
0.23762716 Tatar_Siberian
0.24108434 Ket
0.24529491 Russian_Pinega
0.24668997 Tatar_Mishar
0.24804719 Tatar_Lipka
0.24973372 Tajik_Shugnan
0.25002418 Finnish_East
0.25092586 Vepsian
0.25129047 Tajik_Ishkashim
0.25168560 Karelian
0.25266143 Tajik_Rushan
0.25272208 Jatt_Pathak
0.25338202 Greenlander_West

And these HG's can be followed by Botai Culture. See:

Distance to: KAZ_Botai
0.18326932 Tlingit
0.18566524 Udmurt
0.19745294 Saami
0.19873387 Besermyan
0.20088058 Mansi
0.20293442 Tatar_Siberian_Zabolotniye
0.20456979 Khanty
0.20768231 Bashkir
0.21352932 Ket
0.21400819 Mari
0.21770470 Tatar_Siberian
0.21908207 Chuvash
0.22400652 Komi
0.22582419 Greenlander_West
0.23080867 Tatar_Kazan
0.24263002 Tatar_Lipka
0.24499823 Shor_Mountain
0.24506144 Yukagir_Forest
0.24523981 Tubalar
0.24662247 Shor_Khakassia
0.24760396 Uzbek
0.24837333 Tajik_Shugnan
0.24935293 Tajik_Ishkashim
0.25007105 Tatar_Mishar
0.25120628 Jatt_Pathak

I believe these people were speaking Indo-Iranian or Uralic language until the Botai(also some are during, perhaps), but they were Proto-Turks at the same time. Towards Bronze Age we see that ethnic formation of Turks completed, and there should be a formed Altaic language seperated than Mongols. See: (These can be regarded as true early Turks, or not.)

Distance to: MNG_Hovsgol_BA_o2
0.05382444 Tatar_Siberian
0.05459612 Bashkir
0.08215698 Nogai
0.08795499 Uzbek
0.09118084 Tatar_Siberian_Zabolotniye
0.09520952 Hazara_Afghanistan
0.09560021 Uygur
0.09819335 Karakalpak
0.10104684 Tubalar
0.10152950 Hazara
0.10673553 Yukagir_Forest
0.10856579 Tlingit
0.11686601 Shor_Mountain
0.12023160 Shor_Khakassia
0.12111272 Turkmen_Uzbekistan
0.12160415 Shor
0.12481685 Kazakh
0.12482328 Tatar_Lipka
0.12678904 Udmurt
0.12687991 Turkmen
0.13340959 Besermyan
0.13407193 Mansi
0.14183565 Khakass
0.14251704 Saami
0.14261792 Khanty

Distance to: MNG_Mongun_Taiga_LBA_3
0.04582791 Bashkir
0.06274597 Tatar_Siberian
0.07507867 Uzbek
0.08057616 Nogai
0.09333804 Uygur
0.09427395 Hazara_Afghanistan
0.09696826 Tatar_Lipka
0.10159316 Hazara
0.10345468 Turkmen_Uzbekistan
0.10403309 Karakalpak
0.10848939 Tatar_Siberian_Zabolotniye
0.10864859 Turkmen
0.11118476 Udmurt
0.11274602 Yukagir_Forest
0.11385971 Besermyan
0.12373295 Tubalar
0.12630373 Tatar_Kazan
0.12726877 Saami
0.12827566 Tlingit
0.12951293 Chuvash
0.13535172 Kazakh
0.13548914 Mari
0.14224680 Shor_Mountain
0.14285271 Maori
0.14571402 Shor

Distance to: MNG_Center_West_LBA_5
0.05815252 Bashkir
0.08378775 Tatar_Lipka
0.08536335 Tatar_Siberian
0.08799408 Uzbek
0.09016465 Udmurt
0.09078291 Besermyan
0.09791758 Turkmen_Uzbekistan
0.10005151 Turkmen
0.10705684 Tatar_Kazan
0.10889971 Nogai
0.11447257 Chuvash
0.11488728 Saami
0.11597705 Hazara_Afghanistan
0.11989771 Uygur
0.12369371 Tatar_Siberian_Zabolotniye
0.12524121 Hazara
0.12792160 Mari
0.13053669 Yukagir_Forest
0.13202530 Tajik
0.13313684 Komi
0.13379107 Karakalpak
0.13553352 Tlingit
0.13565850 Tatar_Mishar
0.14876123 Tubalar
0.14910790 Tajik_Shugnan


These Bronze Age samples have additional Altaic and Yeniseian admixture. I believe that there should be combined East Eurasian admixture comes from both IE and Altai.

For a better view, I run a model on Mongun-Taiga-3:

Target: MNG_Mongun_Taiga_LBA_3
Distance: 5.1883% / 0.05188266
42.0 RUS_Khvalynsk_En = IE? Ugor?
26.2 RUS_Devils_Gate_Cave_N = Altai
13.0 TKM_Geoksyur_En = IE
12.0 RUS_Baikal_N = Altai
6.8 RUS_Ust_Ishim = IE

It would be safe to say the total was around 40% Altai. And the total amount of East Eurasian have two source rather than one. Because Altai is not 100% East Eurasian, too.

[eatensemn]

I’m talking about genetically so, I believe the first Turkic tribes were mostly R1a, Q, N Y-DNA.Later they mixed into Iranic&Caucasian tribes which are mostly J2, J1 and E.

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?318551-Finally-Turkic-(and-Mongolic)-samples-from-Mongolia

[Kmakkmak]

(R1a-R1b) in Turkic is from Proto-IE and (Q, C, N) in Turkic is from Proto-Uralic and Proto-Altaic. (J1-J2) ın Turkic is from Near-Eastern and G2a in Turkic is from Caucasian related.

Turkic is not East asian completely, They are mixed origin. Proto-Turkic formation is mixed origin.

[Aileron]

This thread got my interest

[Mejgusu]

(R1a-R1b) in Turkic is from Proto-IE and (Q, C, N) in Turkic is from Proto-Uralic and Proto-Altaic. (J1-J2) ın Turkic is from Near-Eastern and G2a in Turkic is from Caucasian related.

Turkic is not East asian completely, They are mixed origin. Proto-Turkic formation is mixed origin.

J2 also found in preturkic and other central eurasian people. I´m very interested in to this haplogroup. Its near eastern origin is well known, but we need more research about the spread of this.

[Mejgusu]

(R1a-R1b) in Turkic is from Proto-IE and (Q, C, N) in Turkic is from Proto-Uralic and Proto-Altaic. (J1-J2) ın Turkic is from Near-Eastern and G2a in Turkic is from Caucasian related.

Turkic is not East asian completely, They are mixed origin. Proto-Turkic formation is mixed origin.

J2 also found in preturkic and other central eurasian people. I´m very interested in to this haplogroup. Its near eastern origin is well known, but we need more research about the spread of this haplogroup.

[Daos777]

What’s up with Sakas and that Central Asia area having E Y-DNA?

[Kmakkmak]

J2 also found in preturkic and other central eurasian people. I´m very interested in to this haplogroup. Its near eastern origin is well known, but we need more research about the spread of this haplogroup.

J2 is everywhere. J2 is found Greeks, Romans, Turks, Iranians, Indians, Central Asians, Slavs.....

[Kmakkmak]

What’s up with Sakas and that Central Asia area having E Y-DNA?

Most probably E-V13 branches which was from Neolitic-Balkanic people. Such as illiyrians, Thracians....

[Kmakkmak]

J2 also found in preturkic and other central eurasian people. I´m very interested in to this haplogroup. Its near eastern origin is well known, but we need more research about the spread of this haplogroup.

Are you J2?

[PaleoEuropean]

E being found in the urals and central steppe Saka homeland is interesting.

The Scythians were like the Kurds, a big mix of different peoples, they had a little bit of everything.

[Kmakkmak]

The Scythians were like the Kurds, a big mix of different peoples, they had a little bit of everything.

Kurds have E1b1 which was Iranicized Nort-African origin or Natufians.

[Babak]

Kurds have E1b1 which was Iranicized Nort-African origin or Natufians.

What? Kurds arent North african lol

[Babak]

We should ask Attaturk, he was father of all Turks and Raki.

According to him, Anatolians are Turks.

I wonder how Persians remained Persians after being so long under Arab occupation yet Anatolians disappeared from the face of Earth.

Because Iranians had a strong sense of Identity and culture. They heavily resisted Arab influence.

[Kmakkmak]

What? Kurds arent North african lol

Nort-African input descent from semitic or related people such as assyrian, babilian, muslim expansion, Berberian soldiers of muslim empires....

[Pater Patota]

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?318551-Finally-Turkic-(and-Mongolic)-samples-from-Mongolia

These samples clearly show Hunnics and other Central Asian tribes were very mixed.Iranics, Mongoloids, Chinese, Arabs, even may be Greeks they’re all attended to Hunnic federation as a soldier.You may know, Hunnic federation were very mixed, we could say they’re the Romans of East Asian steppes.

[Kmakkmak]

These samples clearly show Hunnics and other Central Asian tribes were very mixed.Iranics, Mongoloids, Chinese, Arabs, even may be Greeks they’re all attended to Hunnic federation as a soldier.You may know, Hunnic federation were very mixed, we could say they’re the Romans of East Asian steppes.

Xiongnu is mixed confederation of nomadic people in east asia and north china. They are great soldiers and partly ancestor of turkic in central asia and east asia.

[Demhat]

The Scythians were like the Kurds, a big mix of different peoples, they had a little bit of everything.

Didn't expect to find a logical conclusion inbetween all of this lol. Not neccessary like Kurds alone. But typical Indo-Iranic. Whoever thought the Proto Iranic speakers were all R1a z93 after finding J2, G Haplogroups all the way down to Indian is actually mad lol. The Scythians, Sarmatians, Alans represent typically what I would consider a blend of modern Iranic Haplogroups. R1a, R1b, R2, J2, J1, G, Q, E, L, I, All have been found among ancient Iranic tribes and modern Iranic people.

But I wouldn't call it a blend of different people more a blend of different Haplogroups originating in different sets of ancient people.

[Demhat]

These samples clearly show Hunnics and other Central Asian tribes were very mixed.Iranics, Mongoloids, Chinese, Arabs, even may be Greeks they’re all attended to Hunnic federation as a soldier.You may know, Hunnic federation were very mixed, we could say they’re the Romans of East Asian steppes.


Huns were not a homogenous bunch that is correct. More like a nomadic confederation of Iranic, Turkic and Mongol tribes.

[Mejgusu]

Are you J2?

I dont know, but its possible.

[Halgurd]

What’s up with Sakas and that Central Asia area having E Y-DNA?

those are my forefathers

[Mejgusu]

those are my forefathers

Yes, sure;)

[Halgurd]

Map of ancient E samples. There are quite a few in Central Asia.

https://www.google.com/maps/d/edit?mid=zr7itbDHGgvM.kHmbTTiPAdtQ

[Halgurd]

Double

[Mejgusu]

Nevertheless very very very rare. I dont deny, that somone whith this haplogroup are african or something else, but i dont think that ancient iranians had have this haplogroup, maybe some outliners.

[Halgurd]

Nevertheless very very very rare. I dont deny, that somone whith this haplogroup are african or something else, but i dont think that ancient iranians had have this haplogroup, maybe some outliners.

I’m not an expert or anything and I don’t pretend to be but I think there is still a lot more that we can learn from Haplogroup E. A lot of people usually dismiss it as an “African Haplogroup”, which is why a lot of people are shocked on this thread, but that doesn’t explain why it was found in Mongolia 2000 years ago.

[Mejgusu]

I’m not an expert or anything and I don’t pretend to be but I think there is still a lot more that we can learn from Haplogroup E. A lot of people usually dismiss it as an “African Haplogroup”, which is why a lot of people are shocked on this thread, but that doesn’t explain why it was found in Mongolia 2000 years ago.

More interesting is J2. When i said african haplogroup, it was an exaggeration, i meant it ironically.

[Black Wolf]

More interesting is J2. When i said african haplogroup, it was an exaggeration, i meant it ironically.

Certainly the presence of Y-DNA haplogroup J2 among these ancient Turkic and pre-Turkic samples is absolutely fascinating.

[Daos777]

Map of ancient E samples. There are quite a few in Central Asia.

https://www.google.com/maps/d/edit?mid=zr7itbDHGgvM.kHmbTTiPAdtQ

Thanks for the link! Did you see the sample found in Tajikistan 4000-5000 YBP?

Farkhor
descrizione
E1b1b (5000-4000 ybp)

That’s crazy the only explanation is it being assimilated somewhere around the Balkans or maybe even Anatolia(no ancient E-M78 was ever found in Anatolia which is why I’m more skeptical) by Indo-Europeans and spreading it there just like they did in Europe.

[Halgurd]

Thanks for the link! Did you see the sample found in Tajikistan 4000-5000 YBP?

Farkhor
descrizione
E1b1b (5000-4000 ybp)

That’s crazy the only explanation is it being assimilated somewhere around the Balkans or maybe even Anatolia(no ancient E-M78 was ever found in Anatolia which is why I’m more skeptical) by Indo-Europeans and spreading it there just like they did in Europe.

There seems to be a lot of ancient E1b1b in Central Asia. It was found in BMAC as well.
Furthermore E-V13 that has been found in Iran, Kurdistan and South Caucasus all seems to belong to the same subclade and is separate to E-V13 from the Balkans. My initial thoughts is that it may be possible that this subclade of E-V13 may originate from these ancient Central Asians, especially considering that we have elevated E-V13 compared to our neighbours.

I’m no expert though it’s just my initial thoughts.

[Mejgusu]

There seems to be a lot of ancient E1b1b in Central Asia. It was found in BMAC as well.
Furthermore E-V13 that has been found in Iran, Kurdistan and South Caucasus all seems to belong to the same subclade and is separate to E-V13 from the Balkans. My initial thoughts is that it may be possible that this subclade of E-V13 may originate from these ancient Central Asians, especially considering that we have elevated E-V13 compared to our neighbours.

I’m no expert though it’s just my initial thoughts.

double

[Mejgusu]

There seems to be a lot of ancient E1b1b in Central Asia. It was found in BMAC as well.
Furthermore E-V13 that has been found in Iran, Kurdistan and South Caucasus all seems to belong to the same subclade and is separate to E-V13 from the Balkans. My initial thoughts is that it may be possible that this subclade of E-V13 may originate from these ancient Central Asians, especially considering that we have elevated E-V13 compared to our neighbours.

I’m no expert though it’s just my initial thoughts.

I dont think so. I think even J1 is more common in modern and ancient Central Eurasia, and I prefer to use Eurasia, because, whether Iranian or Turkic or other people, they have different origins all over this area. Haplogroup E probably originated anywhere between Horn of Africa and Near Estern. This finds in Central eurasia maybe came from trader, foreign warrior or slaves. This Haplogroup is foreign there. But its different with J2: I think j2 dont originate from central eurasia, but its native. I dont know how, but i have some ideas. Ancient Iranians have it, but j2 isnt an indoeuropean haplogroup, also ancient (pre)turkics had it, and j2 didnt originate somewhere in eurasian steps. How we can explain the high amount of j2 in russian turkic population, even tatars in eastern europe have j2. Many says thats just iranian influence, its a good but not really adequate explanation. Very cool and interesting in my opinion.

[Daos777]

I dont think so. I think even J1 is more common in modern and ancient Central Eurasia, and I prefer to use Eurasia, because, whether Iranian or Turkic or other people, they have different origins all over this area. Haplogroup E probably originated anywhere between Horn of Africa and Near Estern. This finds in Central eurasia maybe came from trader, foreign warrior or slaves. This Haplogroup is foreign there. But its different with J2: I think j2 dont originate from central eurasia, but its native. I dont know how, but i have some ideas. Ancient Iranians have it, but j2 isnt an indoeuropean haplogroup, also ancient (pre)turkics had it, and j2 didnt originate somewhere in eurasian steps. How we can explain the high amount of j2 in russian turkic population, even tatars in eastern europe have j2. Many says thats just iranian influence, its a good but not really adequate explanation. Very cool and interesting in my opinion.

Haplogroup E is ancestral North African that’s why the oldest samples of it are found in Morocco. It later migrated down into southern and Eastern Africa. Didn’t originate there.

[Mejgusu]

Haplogroup E is ancestral North African that’s why the oldest samples of it are found in Morocco. It later migrated down into southern and Eastern Africa. Didn’t originate there.

Thanks for the Information.

[Halgurd]

I dont think so. I think even J1 is more common in modern and ancient Central Eurasia, and I prefer to use Eurasia, because, whether Iranian or Turkic or other people, they have different origins all over this area. Haplogroup E probably originated anywhere between Horn of Africa and Near Estern. This finds in Central eurasia maybe came from trader, foreign warrior or slaves. This Haplogroup is foreign there. But its different with J2: I think j2 dont originate from central eurasia, but its native. I dont know how, but i have some ideas. Ancient Iranians have it, but j2 isnt an indoeuropean haplogroup, also ancient (pre)turkics had it, and j2 didnt originate somewhere in eurasian steps. How we can explain the high amount of j2 in russian turkic population, even tatars in eastern europe have j2. Many says thats just iranian influence, its a good but not really adequate explanation. Very cool and interesting in my opinion.

I’m not talking about where E originated though. I’m talking about why Kurds and Iranians have high levels of E-V13 that are unrelated to the Balkans.

[Mejgusu]

I’m not talking about where E originated though. I’m talking about why Kurds and Iranians have high levels of E-V13 that are unrelated to the Balkans.

That was just thoughts of me. And i think this haplogroup came from preiranic population.

[Halgurd]

That was just thoughts of me. And i think this haplogroup came from preiranic population.

That might be possible as well

[axlredneck]

PROTO-SCYTHIANS

Steppe_LBA(x14): Q-L332 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/Q-L332/), R-Z93 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-Z93/)(x6), R-M73 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-M478/), R-Z645 +1M + 4F

Hovsgol_LBA(x1): R-Z2123 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-Z2123/)


Source: Narasimhan et al. 2019

[Mejgusu]

PROTO-SCYTHIANS

Steppe_LBA(x14): Q-L332 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/Q-L332/), R-Z93 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-Z93/)(x6), R-M73 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-M478/), R-Z645 +1M + 4F

Hovsgol_LBA(x1): R-Z2123 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-Z2123/)


Source: Narasimhan et al. 2019

Central eurasian staes were always polyetnical. Undisputed sythian upper class spoke (and maybe were) iranic, but they wer a lot of other steppe people. The same holds true for later germinate turkic states.

[Dr_Maul]

I’m not talking about where E originated though. I’m talking about why Kurds and Iranians have high levels of E-V13 that are unrelated to the Balkans.

I think it is possible to be a Elamite thing because South Indians have C5 which came from E as well (and Elamites spoke a dravidian language, so maybe its that)

[Demhat]

I think it is possible to be a Elamite thing because South Indians have C5 which came from E as well (and Elamites spoke a dravidian language, so maybe its that)

Just that Elamites are not related to South Indians. And proto Dravidians hailed from Iran not vica versa. The Proto Dravidians were first located in North India. Spred their language throughout whole India. North India becomes predominantly Indo European speaking. Irony is the proto Dravidian folks are speaking Indo European today while those who have adopted the language remained Dravidian speakers.

[Zoro]

Just that Elamites are not related to South Indians. And proto Dravidians hailed from Iran not vica versa. The Proto Dravidians were first located in North India. Spred their language throughout whole India. North India becomes predominantly Indo European speaking. Irony is the proto Dravidian folks are speaking Indo European today while those who have adopted the language remained Dravidian speakers.

The thing is that Iran did not speak Indo-Iranian languages during the time of the Elamites (4000 years ago) or for that matter Iran-N. The language in Iran back then was totally different from now https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elamite_language


Elamite is regarded by the vast majority of linguists as a language isolate,[9][10][11] as it has no demonstrable relationship to the neighbouring Semitic languages, Indo-European languages, or to Sumerian


This is a likely scenario https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elamo-Dravidian_languages


The Elamo-Dravidian language family is a hypothesised language family that links the Dravidian languages of India to the extinct Elamite language of ancient Elam (present-day southwestern Iran). Linguist David McAlpin has been a chief proponent of the Elamo-Dravidian hypothesis.[1] According to McAlpin, the long-extinct Harappan language (the language or languages of the Indus Valley Civilization) might also have been part of this family.

I believe Elamites were genetically very close to Iran-N people. We also know that Iran-N like makes up a good part of admixture of S. Indians. So putting all this stuff together it's possible that Elamites moved into IVC where the mixed with AASI and then to S. India.

[Dr_Maul]

Just that Elamites are not related to South Indians. And proto Dravidians hailed from Iran not vica versa. The Proto Dravidians were first located in North India. Spred their language throughout whole India. North India becomes predominantly Indo European speaking. Irony is the proto Dravidian folks are speaking Indo European today while those who have adopted the language remained Dravidian speakers.

Well yes, that is what I meant. There is a possibility that the Elamites spread the Dravidian Language to India and with it the haplogroup E (Which eventually branched off into C5, which many south indians have)

[samario]

Scythians were badass, weren't they?

[Demhat]

I believe Elamites were genetically very close to Iran-N people. We also know that Iran-N like makes up a good part of admixture of S. Indians. So putting all this stuff together it's possible that Elamites moved into IVC where the mixed with AASI and then to S. India.

I don't see how this conflicts with what I wrote. Or maybe I wasn't clear enough with my wording. Proto Dravidians forefathers hail from Iran, Move into Indus Valley. mix with Ancestral South Asian people. Become Harrapa. Dravidian language spreds all the way into South India. Most of the original Dravidian lands become Indo European (Indus Valley) ironically most of the Dravidian language today is spoken by people from South Indian who had adopted that language from the North via mixing.

[Zoro]

I don't see how this conflicts with what I wrote. Or maybe I wasn't clear enough with my wording. Proto Dravidians forefathers hail from Iran, Move into Indus Valley. mix with Ancestral South Asian people. Become Harrapa. Dravidian language spreds all the way into South India. Most of the original Dravidian lands become Indo European (Indus Valley) ironically most of the Dravidian language today is spoken by people from South Indian who had adopted that language from the North via mixing.

Yeah totally agree :) I misread something first time i read it

[Demhat]

Scythians were badass, weren't they?

They were fine but to be honest the early Scythians are getting overhyped allot. They controlled vast nomadic sparsely populated Steppe lands. The Bactrians, Hepthalites and Sarmatian who succeeded them were actually more "badass" if we can call it that way. And to be fair the most bad ass and successfull in that group of people would be the Old Persian/Sassanid Empires and the Median/Parthian Empires. Not only were they culturally and scientifically more advanced and organized civilizations. They also managed to conquer and control more advanced civilizations for a far longer period of time.

The only reason the Scythians are so hyped up, especially in Anthroboards is because they represent a branch of ancient Iranic people that "died out" as a people and only genetic traces of them exist among more modern people who absorbed them. early 20th century racial anthropology of North/Central and East European scientists also helped in hyping them up, as the more Nordic looking branch of the Iranic speakers.

Not saying that they are a boring people, contrary but lets be honest to yourself. If the Scythians weren't a Iranic group that once lived in Russia and Central Asia and tended to be rather light haired and eyed, they wouldn't appear as interesting.

[axlredneck]

Ancient samples analyzed further, by Pribislav.

Kangju: R-F1019 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-F1019/)
Tian-Shan Hun: R-F1019 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-F1019/)

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Other samples:
Tian-Shan Hun: N-Y16220 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/N-Y16220/) (likely)
Tian-Shan Hun: E-L1250 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/E-L1250/)

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Shirenzigou nomad(x1): R-Z93 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-Z93/)

[axlredneck]

DA220 Wusun: N-Y6503 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/N-Y6503/)
DA224 Turk: R-Y52 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-Y52/)

[Amon]

Volga Sarmatians(x13): R-Y210282 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-Y210282/), N-Y6503 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/N-Y6503/), R-M420(x8), R-M343(x2), N-M231

Central Steppe Sarmatians(x2): R-BY30764 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-BY30764/), R-Z93

Arpads(x3): J-ZS7640 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/J-ZS7640/), R-SUR51 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-SUR51/)(x2)

[Chelubey]

Volga Sarmatians(x13):R-Y210282

Central Steppe Sarmatians(x2): R-BY30764
Karachay-Balkars subclades.

[Kaspias]

Thread can be updated with the recent article:

A dynamic 6,000-year genetic history of Eurasia’s Eastern Steppe
(https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.03.25.008078v1)

[Amon]

Kushnarenkovo & related cultures(x2): N-Y24361 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/N-Y24361/)(x7), G-L1266 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/G-L1266/), J-M172, N-M46(x19), R-M343

[Leto]

...
So you're axlredneck, aren't you? That account doesn't seem to be banned though.

[Amon]

So you're axlredneck, aren't you? That account doesn't seem to be banned though.

No, we're neighbors.

[xripkan]

Ancient samples analyzed further, by Pribislav.

Kangju: R-F1019 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-F1019/)
Tian-Shan Hun: R-F1019 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-F1019/)

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Other samples:
Tian-Shan Hun: N-Y16220 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/N-Y16220/) (likely)
Tian-Shan Hun: E-L1250 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/E-L1250/)

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Shirenzigou nomad(x1): R-Z93 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/R-Z93/)

The R-F1019 samples are

DA229; 250 BC-250 AD; Kaynar Bulak 2, Kazakhstan; Kangju and

DA52; 403-434 AD; Keden, Kyrgyzstan; Tian_Shan_Hun

The first one plots close to ancient Iranics while the second onr is autosoamlly Turkic.
These two results may indicate the process of turkification of R-F1019 clade.

[Chelubey]

The R-F1019 samples are

DA229; 250 BC-250 AD; Kaynar Bulak 2, Kazakhstan; Kangju and

DA52; 403-434 AD; Keden, Kyrgyzstan; Tian_Shan_Hun

The first one plots close to ancient Iranics while the second onr is autosoamlly Turkic.
These two results may indicate the process of turkification of R-F1019 clade.
Through women?

[Chelubey]

Already ,in my opinion, it is obvious that the increase in the East Eurasian component in the steppe populations at the end of 1st millennium BC - at the beginning of the 1st millennium AD is due to the fact that R1 males often married East Eurasian women. Subclades of hg R1 continue to dominate even among the Huns.
This is not like the conquest - turkization model.
In addition, the Karachai-Balkar subclades Z-93 are not descendants of the subclades of the Mongolian Huns.