ITALIAN DNA RESULTS

[andre]

His ancestry:
1/4 From Gela (Sicily) (Paternal side)
1/4 Calabrian from Catanzaro
1/4 Arbershe from Calabria
1/4 Campanian from Salerno

Y-DNA: G2a
Mtdna:?

My Heritage
Europa Meridionale
70,7%
Italiano
39,4%
Greco e italiano meridionale
18,6%
Sardo
12,7%
Ebreo aschenazita
1,7%
Ebreo aschenazita
1,7%
Asia
12,5%
Asia occidentale
12,5%
Dell'Asia occidentale
12,5%
Medio Oriente
8,9%
Medio Oriente
8,9%
Mediorientale
8,9%
Africa
6,2%
Nordafrica
5,4%
Nordafricano
5,4%
Africa occidentale
0,8%
Nigeriano
0,8%

K13

Population
Percentage
North_Atlantic
17.36%
Baltic
4.79%
West Mediterranean
23.42%
West Asian
15.38%
East Mediterranean
28.56%
Red Sea
7.47%
South Asian
0.00%
East Asian
0.07%
Siberian
0.00%
Amerindian
1.08%
Oceanian
0.59%
Northeast African
1.28%
Sub-Saharan
0.00%

Distance to: ....
3.90462546 Sicily
5.25279925 Malta
5.39534058 Campania
5.50275386 Apulia
5.62210815 East_Sicilian
5.64187026 Calabria
5.94606593 Basilicata
6.32442092 Molise
6.72122757 Central_Greek
6.80456464 Abruzzo
7.28276047 West_Sicilian
8.43090742 Greek_Symi_Island
8.77555126 Greek_Andros_Island
9.33311443 Greek_Dodecanese
9.35784163 Greek_Chios
10.20116660 Sephardic_Jewish
11.25563414 Ashkenazi
11.29158536 Greek_Peloponnese
11.33626923 Algerian_Jewish
11.34035714 Moroccan_Jew
11.40475778 Marche
11.43656854 Lazio
11.49371567 Italian_Jewish
11.93115669 Greek_Western-Thrace
12.34032820 Umbria

Target: ..._K13
Distance: 0.8194% / 0.81939625 | ADC: 0.25x
41.2 IA_Prenestina_Selicata_R437
38.4 CL30_collegno_italy_longobard
18.2 I7499_Muslim_Iberian_1000_1100_CE2
1.4 Atacama
0.8 CrusaderSI53KingdomofJerusalem

K15
Population
Percentage
North Sea
8.20%
Atlantic
13.48%
Baltic
4.55%
Eastern European
2.34%
West Mediterranean
19.16%
West Asian
14.61%
East Mediterranean
27.83%
Red Sea
7.67%
South Asian
0.00%
Southeast-Asian
0.00%
Siberian
0.00%
Amerindian
0.57%
Oceanian
0.50%
Northeast African
1.09%
Sub-Saharan
0.00%

Distance to: ..._k15
3.06101290 Italy_Central_Sicily
3.42010234 East_Sicilian
3.52879583 Italy_West_Sicily
3.59187973 Italy_East_Sicily
3.62015193 Italy_Campania
4.43071100 Italy_Apulia
4.46939593 Italy_Calabria
4.97501759 Central_Greek
5.67579069 Italy_Abruzzo
6.62389613 Greek_Crete
7.00123561 Ashkenazi
7.22366251 West_Sicilian
7.36158271 Italian_Jewish
8.15601005 Sephardic_Jewish
9.15263896 Algerian_Jewish
10.14411344 GR_Peloponese
10.76527752 Italy_Marche
11.04675971 Albanian-South
11.21471355 Italy_Lazio
11.35110567 Greek
12.26660100 Greek_Thessaly
12.87431552 Tuscan
12.91164591 Albanian-North
13.07520937 Tunisian_Jewish
13.18305899 GR_Macedonia

Target: ..._k15
Distance: 1.5067% / 1.50667877 | ADC: 0.25x
44.4 IA_Prenestina_Selicata_R437
21.8 IA_Ardea_R850
10.8 MENA_GladiatorYork_3DRIF26
10.2 IA_Protovillanovan_Martinsicuro_R1
7.6 Mycenaean_I9041
2.6 Crimean_Goth_KER1
1.8 Botai_BOT15
0.4 Guanche_11
0.4 Tagar_DA4

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[Samnium]

Southern shifted sample.

Do you have the gedmatch kit ?

[Rocinante]

It's a logical results for someone who is southern italian and is half calabrian.

[andre]

He’s so south-east shifted in my opinion, and he has a small amerindian component (but i think it’a noise).
He is my friend in “real” life.

[Samnium]

It's a logical results for someone who is southern italian and is half calabrian.

Catanzaro is usually southern shifted yes.

Cosenza/Crotone have more northern elements but can have also some "outlying" results.

[andre]

Southern shifted sample.

Do you have the gedmatch kit ?

I upload his kit on gedmatch but i must wait for the “analysis”.

[Samnium]

Distance to: ....
3.90462546 Sicily
5.25279925 Malta
5.39534058 Campania
5.50275386 Apulia
5.62210815 East_Sicilian
5.64187026 Calabria
5.94606593 Basilicata
6.32442092 Molise
6.72122757 Central_Greek
6.80456464 Abruzzo
7.28276047 West_Sicilian
8.43090742 Greek_Symi_Island
8.77555126 Greek_Andros_Island
9.33311443 Greek_Dodecanese
9.35784163 Greek_Chios
10.20116660 Sephardic_Jewish
11.25563414 Ashkenazi
11.29158536 Greek_Peloponnese
11.33626923 Algerian_Jewish
11.34035714 Moroccan_Jew
11.40475778 Marche
11.43656854 Lazio
11.49371567 Italian_Jewish
11.93115669 Greek_Western-Thrace
12.34032820 Umbria

Closer to Sephardis, Ashkenazim, Algerian and Moroccan Jewish before Lazio. (Ashkenazim and Sephardis for Peloponnese)

[andre]

Catanzaro is usually southern shifted yes.

Cosenza/Crotone have more northern elements but can have also some "outlying" results.

Why Catanzaro it’s so south shifted? He genetically looks sicilian and maltese.

[Rocinante]

Catanzaro is usually southern shifted yes.

Cosenza/Crotone have more northern elements but can have also some "outlying" results.

It's not only the thing that they are southern shifted or northern shifted, talking about european elements, is the thing that all calabrians are heavely mixed with NA/ME, reaching the highest levels of any european region, not even canarians could score that.

[Samnium]

It's not only the thing that they are southern shifted or northern shifted, talking about european elements, is the thing that all calabrians are heavely mixed with NA/ME, reaching the highest levels of any european region, not even canarians could score that.

You're exagerating, Calabria is really diverse in that regards, I have results that are 35% WANA and other only 17% WANA and 20% Greek on 23andme.

It's not that simple.

I had seen also other results with 17% WANA, no Greek but high "Italian".

[Rocinante]

You're exagerating, Calabria is really diverse in that regards, I have results that are 35% WANA and other only 17% WANA and 20% Greek on 23andme.

It's not that simple.

I know, but i mean in average, as a whole.

[Samnium]

I know, but i mean in average, as a whole.

Well in average, I don't know sincerely. It's an area under-studied, from what I've seen however Vibo Valentia concentrate really the more outliers, I think it's the most outlying region in Calabria.

I had found also a guy with 10% East Anglia (Anglo) in his autosomal results, remnant from Normans. There are also people that have some Occitan/Arbereshe ancestry in Cosenza area so you see : not simple. Maybe also Norman/Longobard.

We have nearly 0 samples from Crotone as well, so the calabrian "average", I don't know what it means.

[Rocinante]

Well in average, I don't know sincerely. It's an area under-studied, from what I've seen however Vibo Valentia concentrate really the more outliers, I think it's the most outlying region in Calabria.

I had found also a guy with 10% East Anglia (Anglo) in his autosomal results, remnant from Normans. There are also people that have some Occitan/Arbereshe ancestry in Cosenza area so you see : not simple. Maybe also Norman/Longobard.

We have nearly 0 samples from Crotone as well, so the calabrian "average", I don't know what it means.

Well we have to ask Davidski where did he get that. Now there's is en Eurogenes blog a spreadsheet with other calabrians example, we could run them and see if there is someone very exotic.

[Leto]

West Asian
15.38%
East Mediterranean
28.56%
Red Sea
7.47%

Pretty swarthy, I must say :coffee:

[Samnium]

Well we have to ask Davidski where did he get that. Now there's is en Eurogenes blog a spreadsheet with other calabrians example, we could run them and see if there is someone very exotic.

Problem is : we don't have the location.

It's something very important that all people forget. Without the location it means little/nothing, I believe also that coastal areas would be more outlying than inland areas. "Generally speaking" because there were also crypto-jewish communities in Cosenza, and people also that later fled in mountainous villages in the Sila. An old user here, Jman, provided results from his grandfather, coming from one village from la Sila, he matched Jewish people. And really if you match Jewish is that you've an hidden jewish background.

[Rocinante]

West Asian
15.38%
East Mediterranean
28.56%
Red Sea
7.47%

Pretty swarthy, I must say :coffee:

East med doesn't really have to mean swarthy, but with the others component yes.

[Rocinante]

Problem is : we don't have the location.

It's something very important that all people forget. Without the location it means little/nothing, I believe also that coastal areas would be more outlying than inland areas. "Generally speaking" because there were also crypto-jewish communities in Cosenza, and people also that later fled in mountainous villages in the Sila. An old user here, Jman, provided results from his grandfather, coming from one village from la Sila, he matched Jewish people. And really if you match Jewish is that you've an hidden jewish background.

Make sense. Maybe searching in anthrogenica you could find samples from specific places, but I'm not sure.

[andre]

He score sometimes maltese; maltese people are Arabizated hellenics?

[Rocinante]

He score sometimes maltese; maltese people are Arabizated hellenics?

Maltese are almost exactly as western sicilians, maybe a bit more MENA.

[Leto]

East med doesn't really have to mean swarthy, but with the others component yes.
The combination is "swarthy". No one is 100% East Med or West Asian or anything.

[Samnium]

Make sense. Maybe searching in anthrogenica you could find samples from specific places, but I'm not sure.

That guy with 10% East Anglia came from Reggio Calabria. A city at 10km of Mileto (very important city for Normans). His family is incredibly tall and blue eyed.

[dududud]

That guy with 10% East Anglia came from Reggio Calabria. A city at 10km of Mileto (very important city for Normans). His family is incredibly tall and blue eyed.

Yep but phenotype doesn't match sometime with autosomal. Looks at the ashkenazi jews. Kalash, etc.

[dududud]

Double

[andre]

k13

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 28.68
2 West_Med 23.54
3 North_Atlantic 17.56
4 West_Asian 15.16
5 Red_Sea 7.41
6 Baltic 4.55
7 Northeast_African 1.35
8 Amerindian 1.02
9 Oceanian 0.58
10 East_Asian 0.15

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 South_Italian 4.07
2 East_Sicilian 5.13
3 Central_Greek 6.19
4 West_Sicilian 6.26
5 Italian_Abruzzo 6.88
6 Sephardic_Jewish 8.82
7 Italian_Jewish 9.73
8 Algerian_Jewish 9.78
9 Ashkenazi 9.89
10 Tuscan 12.1
11 Greek_Thessaly 12.16
12 Tunisian_Jewish 12.89
13 Libyan_Jewish 13.31
14 Cyprian 15.98
15 North_Italian 18.16
16 Lebanese_Muslim 19.06
17 Syrian 19.79
18 Turkish 20.24
19 Bulgarian 20.67
20 Tunisian 22.29

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 63.9% Cyprian + 36.1% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 2.95
2 61.3% Cyprian + 38.7% Spanish_Extremadura @ 2.97
3 65.7% Cyprian + 34.3% Spanish_Cantabria @ 3
4 72.6% Cyprian + 27.4% French_Basque @ 3.09
5 62% Cyprian + 38% Spanish_Andalucia @ 3.15
6 67.1% Cyprian + 32.9% Southwest_French @ 3.24
7 66% Cyprian + 34% Spanish_Aragon @ 3.31
8 63.1% Cyprian + 36.9% Spanish_Galicia @ 3.37
9 63.9% Cyprian + 36.1% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 3.38
10 62.1% Cyprian + 37.9% Portuguese @ 3.53
11 62.7% Cyprian + 37.3% Spanish_Murcia @ 3.55
12 95.5% South_Italian + 4.5% French_Basque @ 3.56
13 92.8% South_Italian + 7.2% Spanish_Extremadura @ 3.59
14 92.7% South_Italian + 7.3% Moroccan @ 3.61
15 93.7% South_Italian + 6.3% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 3.61
16 93.6% South_Italian + 6.4% Spanish_Galicia @ 3.63
17 93.4% South_Italian + 6.6% Spanish_Andalucia @ 3.64
18 94.4% South_Italian + 5.6% Spanish_Aragon @ 3.64
19 94.3% South_Italian + 5.7% Spanish_Cantabria @ 3.65
20 93.9% South_Italian + 6.1% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 3.65

[andre]

MDLP K16 Modern Oracle results:

1 Caucasian 40.17
2 Neolithic 29.5
3 Steppe 13.99
4 NorthEastEuropean 6.63
5 NearEast 5.52
6 NorthAfrican 3.59
7 EastAfrican 0.59

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Italian (SouthItaly) 4.95
2 Sicilian (Sicily) 5.39
3 Greek (Athens) 5.53
4 Italian (Abruzzo) 6.71
5 Jew (Ashkenazi) 6.95
6 Maltese (Malta) 7.05
7 Greek (Greece) 7.59
8 Jew (Ashkenazim) 7.75
9 Greek (Greece) 8.49
10 Jew (Bulgaria) 8.53
11 Jew (Italian) 8.73
12 Albanian (Albania) 8.83
13 Greek (Thessaloniki) 8.88
14 Greek (Peloponnes) 8.89
15 Greek (Macedonia) 8.89
16 Italian (Tuscany) 9.84
17 Jew (Turkey) 9.84
18 Jew (Ashkenazi) 9.92
19 Jew (Turkish_Sephardim) 10.21
20 Jew (Sephardim) 10.31

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 62.6% Italian (Tuscany) + 37.4% Cypriot (Cyprus) @ 4.11
2 70.4% Cypriot (Cyprus) + 29.6% French (SouthFrance) @ 4.18
3 65.5% Cypriot (Cyprus) + 34.5% Spanish (Aragon) @ 4.28
4 50.1% Italian (Bergamo) + 49.9% Cypriot (Cyprus) @ 4.38
5 74% Cypriot (Cyprus) + 26% Basque (France) @ 4.4
6 53.5% Spanish (Andalucia) + 46.5% Turk (Trabzon) @ 4.41
7 90.6% Greek (Athens) + 9.4% Sardinian (Sardinia) @ 4.42
8 63.8% Italian (SouthItaly) + 36.2% Greek (Athens) @ 4.66
9 76% Italian (Tuscany) + 24% Turk (Trabzon) @ 4.67
10 95.3% Italian (SouthItaly) + 4.7% Sardinian (Sardinia) @ 4.69
11 61.8% Cypriot (Cyprus) + 38.2% Spanish (Andalucia) @ 4.73
12 52.6% Sicilian (Sicily) + 47.4% Greek (Athens) @ 4.74
13 84.5% Greek (Greece) + 15.5% Sardinian (Sardinia) @ 4.76
14 94% Greek (Athens) + 6% Basque (France) @ 4.82
15 96.1% Italian (SouthItaly) + 3.9% Turk (Trabzon) @ 4.83
16 97.7% Italian (SouthItaly) + 2.3% Georgian (Tbilisi) @ 4.89
17 92.1% Italian (SouthItaly) + 7.9% Italian (Tuscany) @ 4.9
18 98.3% Italian (SouthItaly) + 1.7% Basque (France) @ 4.9
19 89.5% Italian (SouthItaly) + 10.5% Greek (Greece) @ 4.91
20 98.3% Italian (SouthItaly) + 1.7% Georgian (Megrelia) @ 4.93

[andre]

Eurogenes EUtest V2 K15 Oracle results:

1 East_Med 27.96
2 West_Med 19.32
3 West_Asian 14.33
4 Atlantic 13.53
5 North_Sea 8.3
6 Red_Sea 7.62
7 Baltic 4.53
8 Eastern_Euro 2.16
9 Northeast_African 1.19
10 Amerindian 0.55
11 Oceanian 0.5

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 East_Sicilian 3.14
2 South_Italian 3.54
3 Central_Greek 4.64
4 Italian_Jewish 6.16
5 West_Sicilian 6.18
6 Ashkenazi 6.3
7 Italian_Abruzzo 6.43
8 Sephardic_Jewish 7.03
9 Algerian_Jewish 7.8
10 Greek 10.1
11 Greek_Thessaly 10.71
12 Tuscan 10.96
13 Tunisian_Jewish 11.38
14 Libyan_Jewish 13.11
15 Cyprian 14.02
16 North_Italian 17.48
17 Lebanese_Muslim 17.65
18 Bulgarian 17.86
19 Syrian 18.15
20 Turkish 19.05

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 64.5% Cyprian + 35.5% Spanish_Galicia @ 2.43
2 74.1% East_Sicilian + 25.9% Italian_Jewish @ 2.44
3 79.2% East_Sicilian + 20.8% Algerian_Jewish @ 2.45
4 63.9% Cyprian + 36.1% Portuguese @ 2.47
5 77.7% East_Sicilian + 22.3% Sephardic_Jewish @ 2.5
6 56.4% Tuscan + 43.6% Cyprian @ 2.53
7 67.5% Cyprian + 32.5% Spanish_Cantabria @ 2.54
8 63.4% Cyprian + 36.6% Spanish_Extremadura @ 2.61
9 55.6% Cyprian + 44.4% North_Italian @ 2.63
10 91.5% South_Italian + 8.5% Moroccan @ 2.7
11 95.1% East_Sicilian + 4.9% Sardinian @ 2.7
12 65.2% Cyprian + 34.8% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 2.72
13 59.4% East_Sicilian + 40.6% South_Italian @ 2.74
14 88% East_Sicilian + 12% Tunisian_Jewish @ 2.75
15 91% East_Sicilian + 9% Cyprian @ 2.83
16 59.8% Central_Greek + 40.2% Italian_Jewish @ 2.84
17 66.5% Central_Greek + 33.5% Algerian_Jewish @ 2.86
18 94.2% East_Sicilian + 5.8% Samaritan @ 2.88
19 91.6% East_Sicilian + 8.4% Libyan_Jewish @ 2.91
20 92.6% South_Italian + 7.4% Mozabite_Berber @ 2.93

[andre]

What do you think? He so east-med shifted

[Leto]

@andre, please post Dodecad K1b and HarappaWorld.

[andre]

Harappa
# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 31.19
2 Mediterranean 28.51
3 SW-Asian 15.18
4 NE-Euro 12.41
5 Baloch 9.5
6 American 0.9
7 NE-Asian 0.66
8 E-African 0.54
9 W-African 0.42
10 Papuan 0.39
11 SE-Asian 0.31

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 ashkenazy-jew (behar) 6.51
2 morocco-jew (behar) 7.01
3 sephardic-jew (behar) 7.42
4 ashkenazi (harappa) 9
5 tuscan (1000genomes) 13.63
6 tuscan (hgdp) 14.07
7 tuscan (hapmap) 14.55
8 turk-aydin (hodoglugil) 17.93
9 cypriot (behar) 19.29
10 lebanese (behar) 20.9
11 italian (hgdp) 21.38
12 turk-kayseri (hodoglugil) 22.44
13 turk-istanbul (hodoglugil) 22.76
14 palestinian (harappa) 23.48
15 syrian (behar) 23.53
16 jordanian (behar) 23.75
17 turkish (harappa) 23.87
18 lebanese-muslim (haber) 23.94
19 bulgarian (yunusbayev) 23.99
20 turk (behar) 24.13

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 62.7% lebanese-christian (haber) + 37.3% spain-basc (henn2012) @ 1.45
2 63.3% lebanese-christian (haber) + 36.7% basque (hgdp) @ 1.56
3 63% lebanese-druze (haber) + 37% basque (hgdp) @ 2.52
4 62.3% lebanese-druze (haber) + 37.7% spain-basc (henn2012) @ 2.53
5 54.4% lebanese-christian (haber) + 45.6% spaniard (1000genomes) @ 2.96
6 65.5% lebanese-muslim (haber) + 34.5% basque (hgdp) @ 3.07
7 86.7% sephardic-jew (behar) + 13.3% spain-basc (henn2012) @ 3.14
8 82.1% sephardic-jew (behar) + 17.9% spaniard (behar) @ 3.21
9 87.1% sephardic-jew (behar) + 12.9% basque (hgdp) @ 3.24
10 82.3% sephardic-jew (behar) + 17.7% spaniard (1000genomes) @ 3.28
11 64.9% lebanese-muslim (haber) + 35.1% spain-basc (henn2012) @ 3.34
12 68.6% lebanese (behar) + 31.4% basque (hgdp) @ 3.42
13 84.7% sephardic-jew (behar) + 15.3% french (hgdp) @ 3.58
14 69.4% morocco-jew (behar) + 30.6% tuscan (hgdp) @ 3.61
15 54% lebanese-druze (haber) + 46% spaniard (1000genomes) @ 3.63
16 68.8% morocco-jew (behar) + 31.2% tuscan (1000genomes) @ 3.69
17 68% lebanese (behar) + 32% spain-basc (henn2012) @ 3.69
18 87.6% sephardic-jew (behar) + 12.4% british (1000genomes) @ 3.81
19 88.2% sephardic-jew (behar) + 11.8% orcadian (hgdp) @ 3.84
20 76.8% sephardic-jew (behar) + 23.2% italian (hgdp) @ 3.86

[andre]

Dodecad k12b

1 Atlantic_Med 30.69
2 Caucasus 29.67
3 Southwest_Asian 14.33
4 North_European 10.35
5 Gedrosia 9.12
6 Northwest_African 3.69
7 Southeast_Asian 1.34
8 East_African 0.57
9 East_Asian 0.24

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) 7.51
2 Sicilian (Dodecad) 8.05
3 Morocco_Jews (Behar) 10.29
4 C_Italian (Dodecad) 10.31
5 Sephardic_Jews (Behar) 10.32
6 Ashkenazi (Dodecad) 11.4
7 Ashkenazy_Jews (Behar) 11.94
8 O_Italian (Dodecad) 13.15
9 Tuscan (HGDP) 13.39
10 Greek (Dodecad) 13.78
11 TSI30 (Metspalu) 13.91
12 N_Italian (Dodecad) 19.22
13 North_Italian (HGDP) 19.96
14 Cypriots (Behar) 21.13
15 Lebanese (Behar) 23.2
16 Turkish (Dodecad) 23.46
17 Syrians (Behar) 24.85
18 Bulgarian (Dodecad) 25.33
19 Turks (Behar) 25.56
20 Bulgarians (Yunusbayev) 25.8

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 53.6% Druze (HGDP) + 46.4% Spanish (Dodecad) @ 2.35
2 55.1% Lebanese (Behar) + 44.9% Andalucia (1000Genomes) @ 2.38
3 53.9% Druze (HGDP) + 46.1% Castilla_La_Mancha (1000Genomes) @ 2.41
4 58.8% Lebanese (Behar) + 41.2% Valencia (1000Genomes) @ 2.41
5 52.2% Murcia (1000Genomes) + 47.8% Iraq_Jews (Behar) @ 2.43
6 50.4% Druze (HGDP) + 49.6% Extremadura (1000Genomes) @ 2.47
7 59.4% Lebanese (Behar) + 40.6% Aragon (1000Genomes) @ 2.54
8 50.1% Castilla_Y_Leon (1000Genomes) + 49.9% Iraq_Jews (Behar) @ 2.59
9 50.4% Druze (HGDP) + 49.6% Murcia (1000Genomes) @ 2.62
10 52.4% Druze (HGDP) + 47.6% Castilla_Y_Leon (1000Genomes) @ 2.71
11 53.2% Druze (HGDP) + 46.8% Spaniards (Behar) @ 2.81
12 54% Druze (HGDP) + 46% Cataluna (1000Genomes) @ 2.81
13 53% Baleares (1000Genomes) + 47% Iraq_Jews (Behar) @ 2.82
14 55.3% Druze (HGDP) + 44.7% Aragon (1000Genomes) @ 2.83
15 57.2% Lebanese (Behar) + 42.8% Spaniards (Behar) @ 2.85
16 55.1% Druze (HGDP) + 44.9% Cantabria (1000Genomes) @ 2.88
17 53.7% Murcia (1000Genomes) + 46.3% Iranian_Jews (Behar) @ 2.92
18 54.8% Druze (HGDP) + 45.2% Valencia (1000Genomes) @ 2.92
19 58% Lebanese (Behar) + 42% Castilla_La_Mancha (1000Genomes) @ 3.02
20 51.1% Iraq_Jews (Behar) + 48.9% Spanish (Dodecad) @ 3.02

[Leto]

Holy shit, his NE-Euro is lower than that of most Jews! Longbowman's father is almost 16% for instance (100% Ashkenazi on 23andme).

Does that guy look European?

[andre]

Holy shit, his NE-Euro is lower than that of most Jews! Longbowman's father is almost 16% for instance (100% Ashkenazi on 23andme).

Does that guy look European?

Yeah he has white skin but dark hair and eyes, but yeah he can pass in all mediterranean basin.

[Samnium]

In reality he seems to be an average calabrian/sicilian, nothing really special.

[dududud]

Yeah he has white skin but dark hair and eyes, but yeah he can pass in all mediterranean basin.

Does he can pass in France like my father? I means western facial features with no levant or other thing features.

[Samnium]

Yep but phenotype doesn't match sometime with autosomal. Looks at the ashkenazi jews. Kalash, etc.

Phenotype match well with genotype if you take large group of people.

You like what you are is always true, in average.

[andre]

Does he can pass in France like my father? I means western facial features with no levant or other thing features.

No, ahahah he looks so southern italian.

[dududud]

Phenotype match with genotype if you take large group of people.

The Kalash as a whole have mostly European features, even when they have brown eyes and brown hair and yet, they have like 20/25% of european blood?

[dududud]

Double

[Adamastor]

This guy has normal results for most Calabrians/Sicilians, but atypical for Italy as a whole. Sikeliot liked to spam results like this to argue that Italians as a whole are East Meds and exotic to Europe, but even going a little bit north in Abruzzo results start to look completely different.

Calabria and Sicily combined have something like 6 million people, the remaining of Italy 60,4 million. I don't care if these swarthoids are the mainstream among Italian-Americans, they are uncommon in Italy and other countries where Italians settled (even though I'm part swarthoid Calabrian nig-nog myself, around 1/8 or so, but it's too low to affect my results given that my remaining ancestry is normal European).

[Adamastor]

The Kalash as a whole have mostly European features, even when they have brown eyes and brown hair and yet, they have like 20/25% of european blood?

The thing is: they don't have only European looking people. Many Kalash also look typical Indian. Razib Khan recently wrote about that, their phenotypes are an expression of their genes.

[Samnium]

This guy has normal results for most Calabrians/Sicilians, but atypical for Italy as a whole. Sikeliot liked to spam results like this to argue that Italians as a whole are East Meds and exotic to Europe, but even going a little bit north in Abruzzo results start to look completely different.

Calabria and Sicily combined have something like 6 million people, the remaining of Italy 60,4 million. I don't care if these swarthoids are the mainstream among Italian-Americans, they are uncommon in Italy and other countries where Italians settled (even though I'm part swarthoid Calabrian nig-nog myself, around 1/8 or so, but it's too low to affect my results given that my remaining ancestry is normal European).

People from Campania are very outlying, people from Basilicata aren't particuliarly northern shifted, only Apulians and Abruzzo as a whole.

I would like to see results from Bari area because I'm 1/8 apulian.

[Adamastor]

People from Campania are very outlying, people from Basilicata aren't particuliarly northern shifted, only Apulians and Abruzzo as a whole.

I would like to see results from Bari area because I'm 1/8 apulian.

People from Puglia come up consistently as similar to Peloponnesians.

[Samnium]

People from Puglia come up consistently as similar to Peloponnesians.

I've seen yes. There are also apulians plotting in Central Italy (I've seen one from Bari).

[dududud]

The Kalash as a whole have mostly European features, even when they have brown eyes and brown hair and yet, they have like 20/25% of european blood?

To be exact: between 25 and 35% of indo-european blood, but as a whole they have europeans features.

Target: Kalash:HGDP00330
Distance: 4.4264% / 0.04426385
33.8 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA3
30.6 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
17.2 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
16.8 Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps
1.4 Nganassan
0.2 Han

Target: Kalash:HGDP00328
Distance: 3.2252% / 0.03225170
34.2 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
28.4 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA3
22.8 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
12.2 Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps
1.6 Han
0.8 BRA_LapaDoSanto_9600BP

Target: Kalash:HGDP00326
Distance: 3.5605% / 0.03560451
29.0 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
28.2 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA3
23.2 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
15.4 Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps
2.4 Han
1.0 Nganassan
0.8 BRA_LapaDoSanto_9600BP

Target: Kalash:HGDP00323
Distance: 2.8004% / 0.02800356
31.6 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
25.8 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA3
24.8 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
13.4 Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps
2.6 Anatolia_Barcin_N
1.4 Han
0.4 BRA_LapaDoSanto_9600BP

Target: Kalash:HGDP00319
Distance: 3.8869% / 0.03886919
34.2 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA3
27.0 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
20.0 Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps
15.4 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
2.2 Han
1.2 Anatolia_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N

Target: Kalash:HGDP00315
Distance: 2.3605% / 0.02360456
34.2 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
32.8 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA3
19.6 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
8.8 Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps
2.6 Anatolia_Barcin_N
2.0 Han

Target: Kalash:HGDP00313
Distance: 3.3694% / 0.03369405
31.2 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA3
30.8 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
21.8 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
13.4 Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps
2.4 Han
0.2 BRA_LapaDoSanto_9600BP
0.2 Nganassan

Target: Kalash:HGDP00311
Distance: 4.4049% / 0.04404863
32.6 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA3
31.8 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
19.2 Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps
12.6 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
2.6 Han
1.2 Nganassan

Target: Kalash:HGDP00309
Distance: 2.8778% / 0.02877813
31.6 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA3
30.6 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
17.6 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
17.2 Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps
3.0 Han

Target: Kalash:HGDP00307
Distance: 2.7537% / 0.02753672
32.6 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
31.6 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA3
17.8 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
15.6 Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps
1.2 BRA_LapaDoSanto_9600BP
1.2 Han

Target: Kalash:HGDP00304
Distance: 1.9349% / 0.01934866
31.6 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
29.4 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA3
28.2 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
6.6 Anatolia_Barcin_N
1.6 Han
1.6 Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps
0.8 BRA_LapaDoSanto_9600BP
0.2 WHG

Target: Kalash:HGDP00302
Distance: 2.2774% / 0.02277430
31.6 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA3
29.8 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
18.0 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
15.4 Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps
2.0 Anatolia_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
1.8 Han
1.2 Nganassan
0.2 WHG

Target: Kalash:HGDP00298
Distance: 2.1014% / 0.02101409
32.4 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
30.4 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA3
22.8 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
9.2 Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps
2.6 Anatolia_Barcin_N
2.6 Han

Target: Kalash:HGDP00290
Distance: 2.9369% / 0.02936852
31.8 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA3
26.8 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
21.0 Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps
16.4 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
1.8 Han
1.4 BRA_LapaDoSanto_9600BP
0.8 WHG

Target: Kalash:HGDP00288
Distance: 2.7378% / 0.02737837
32.4 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA3
31.6 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
24.8 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
5.0 Anatolia_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
4.2 Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps
1.4 Han
0.4 BRA_LapaDoSanto_9600BP
0.2 WHG

Target: Kalash:HGDP00286
Distance: 4.0549% / 0.04054873
34.4 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA3
28.8 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
17.6 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
17.6 Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps
1.2 Han
0.4 BRA_LapaDoSanto_9600BP

Target: Kalash:HGDP00285
Distance: 4.0676% / 0.04067576
32.0 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
29.8 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA3
19.6 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
16.4 Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps
1.2 Han
1.0 Nganassan

Target: Kalash:HGDP00281
Distance: 2.6235% / 0.02623478
33.6 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
30.6 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA3
21.2 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
8.8 Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps
3.4 Anatolia_Barcin_N
2.4 Han

Target: Kalash:HGDP00279
Distance: 2.8617% / 0.02861656
35.4 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
33.0 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA3
16.2 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
8.0 Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps
2.8 Levant_PPNB
2.6 Han
1.4 Anatolia_Barcin_N
0.6 BRA_LapaDoSanto_9600BP

Target: Kalash:HGDP00277
Distance: 2.4844% / 0.02484410
33.8 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA3
29.6 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
21.0 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
8.4 Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps
6.4 Anatolia_Barcin_N
0.6 BRA_LapaDoSanto_9600BP
0.2 Han

Target: Kalash:HGDP00274
Distance: 2.9192% / 0.02919181
35.2 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA3
31.0 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
15.6 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
15.6 Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps
1.2 Han
1.0 Anatolia_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
0.4 BRA_LapaDoSanto_9600BP

Target: Kalash:HGDP00267
Distance: 2.8960% / 0.02895961
33.4 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA3
32.6 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
17.4 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
14.6 Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps
0.8 Han
0.8 Nganassan
0.4 Anatolia_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N

[dududud]

The thing is: they don't have only European looking people. Many Kalash also look typical Indian. Razib Khan recently wrote about that, their phenotypes are an expression of their genes.

Even the darkest kalash has a European influence in terms of features. The contribution is always discernible compared to a Indian (from the north or the south), IMO.

The contribution between 25 and 35% Indo-European seems to have an impact on their appearance.

[Leto]

The Kalash look European only on anthroforums. In reality they look Afghan or Pakistani or Northern Indian. That's a fucking small tribe anyway. Even Tajiks are 1/4 or 1/3 Steppe on G25, yet they are still fucking dark and don't look European.

Target: Tajik
Distance: 2.1171% / 0.02117062
32.2 Yamnaya_Samara
16.0 Ganj_Dareh_N
15.0 Armenia_EBA
13.4 Barcin_N
9.6 Han
9.2 Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA3
4.0 Nganassan
0.6 Clovis

[dududud]

But there is also the selection of traits: a family can be genetically completely Sicilian and have completely European traits, this is not incompatible: Sicilians are not 100% Levantine, they have European genes, this which can produce European phenotypes in a family without any Levantine influence.

[Adamastor]

The Kalash look European only on anthroforums. In reality they look Afghan or Pakistani or Northern Indian. That's a fucking small tribe anyway. Even Tajiks are 1/4 or 1/3 Steppe on G25, yet they are still fucking dark and don't look European.

Yeah, I'd argue that Sicilians and even Lebanese people look much more European on average than Kalash, Tajiks, Jatts, Pashtuns and any other heavily steppe influenced groups from South Asia/Central Asia. Many Jatts I've seen in real life were brown as fuck, some even with dark brown skin. Yet some of these people have 30-40% Sintashta blood.

At the same time, most Lebanese have pale or olive skin, very few are truly ''brown''.

[Adamastor]

double

[Leto]

Yeah, I'd argue that Sicilians and even Lebanese people look much more European on average than Kalash, Tajiks, Jatts, Pashtuns and any other heavily steppe influenced groups from South Asia/Central Asia. Many Jatts I've seen in real life were brown as fuck, some even with dark brown skin. Yet some of these people have 30-40% Sintashta blood.

At the same time, most Lebanese have pale or olive skin, very few are truly ''brown''.
Correct. Georgians and Laz (Turkified Kartvelians in NE Turkey) are way lighter than any Central Asian, yet they are heavily Caucasus HG, not much Steppe in them. Hell, even Persians are not darker than Central Asians on average.

[Samnium]

Anyway we need more samples from Southern Italy especially from the following areas : Apulia, Benevento, Molise, Northern Abruzzo, Basilicata, Cosenza, Crotone.

I've seen dozens of Campanians/Sicilians/Reggio Calabria/Vibo Valentia results...

Because they are also the less isolated and more populated areas in Southern Italy.

[dududud]

The Kalash look European only on anthroforums. In reality they look Afghan or Pakistani or Northern Indian. That's a fucking small tribe anyway. Even Tajiks are 1/4 or 1/3 Steppe on G25, yet they are still fucking dark and don't look European.

Target: Tajik
Distance: 2.1171% / 0.02117062
32.2 Yamnaya_Samara
16.0 Ganj_Dareh_N
15.0 Armenia_EBA
13.4 Barcin_N
9.6 Han
9.2 Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA3
4.0 Nganassan
0.6 Clovis

Let's be serious: it is obvious that they have European traits, it shows. You are simply obsessed with your false vision of Europeanity: blond with blue eyes with specific features (Slavo-Mongoloid). Square jaw, etc, and all this bullshit, which is far from what Europeanity is.

They don't look like North Indians, they looks more European at the level of features in general and genetic proof that.

It's a fact, not a idea.

C'est un fait, pas une idée, petite bite.

[Leto]

Let's be serious: it is obvious that they have European traits, it shows. You are simply obsessed with your false vision of Europeanity: blond with blue eyes with specific features (Slavo-Mongoloid). Square jaw, etc, and all this bullshit, which is far from what Europeanity is.

They don't look like North Indians, they looks more European at the level of features in general and genetic proof that.

It's a fact, not a idea.
Lol. Are you kidding me? Slavo-Mongoloid? What the fuck are you talking about? They are not European but Pakistani which is a South Asian country.
Yes, of course Slavs are European if we are talking about unmixed Russians, Ukrainians, Poles. South Slavs like Croats, Serbs as well. Why did you even bring up Slavs comparing them with the Kalash? Square jaw, lol. I've never even used that term cause I barely talk about phenotypes.

[Adamastor]

Let's be serious: it is obvious that they have European traits, it shows. You are simply obsessed with your false vision of Europeanity: blond with blue eyes with specific features (Slavo-Mongoloid). Square jaw, etc, and all this bullshit, which is far from what Europeanity is.

They don't look like North Indians, they looks more European at the level of features in general and genetic proof that.

It's a fact, not a idea.

C'est un fait, pas une idée, petite bite.

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/94/d4/a0/94d4a0a85594daee4fba906b7f228981.jpg

https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-d481b3ccbd3975bcfc3204a761411b46.webp

https://www.pakistantourism.com.pk/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/The-Best-of-Pakistan-Tour.gif

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Wc2wRI2aMbk/VWNbK2y1OFI/AAAAAAAAGsI/bHHjaicyexw/w1200-h630-p-k-no-nu/Kalash%2BGirls.jpg

Do these people look European to you?

Certainly some of them look European, but on average they look like a Georgian/Turkish + Indian mix.

[Leto]

For that matter, the Kalash don't look Western European either. Do they look British, Spanish, French, Italian? Hell no.

[Nomansman]

Yeah, I'd argue that Sicilians and even Lebanese people look much more European on average than Kalash, Tajiks, Jatts, Pashtuns and any other heavily steppe influenced groups from South Asia/Central Asia. Many Jatts I've seen in real life were brown as fuck, some even with dark brown skin. Yet some of these people have 30-40% Sintashta blood.

At the same time, most Lebanese have pale or olive skin, very few are truly ''brown''.


Not sure about tajikis being darker than lebbos on avg.

I'll say theyre more around the same shades

[Leto]

Harappa
# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 31.19
2 Mediterranean 28.51
3 SW-Asian 15.18
4 NE-Euro 12.41
5 Baloch 9.5
6 American 0.9
7 NE-Asian 0.66
8 E-African 0.54
9 W-African 0.42
10 Papuan 0.39
11 SE-Asian 0.31

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 ashkenazy-jew (behar) 6.51
2 morocco-jew (behar) 7.01
3 sephardic-jew (behar) 7.42
4 ashkenazi (harappa) 9
5 tuscan (1000genomes) 13.63
6 tuscan (hgdp) 14.07
7 tuscan (hapmap) 14.55
8 turk-aydin (hodoglugil) 17.93
9 cypriot (behar) 19.29
10 lebanese (behar) 20.9
11 italian (hgdp) 21.38
12 turk-kayseri (hodoglugil) 22.44
13 turk-istanbul (hodoglugil) 22.76
14 palestinian (harappa) 23.48
15 syrian (behar) 23.53
16 jordanian (behar) 23.75
17 turkish (harappa) 23.87
18 lebanese-muslim (haber) 23.94
19 bulgarian (yunusbayev) 23.99
20 turk (behar) 24.13

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 62.7% lebanese-christian (haber) + 37.3% spain-basc (henn2012) @ 1.45
2 63.3% lebanese-christian (haber) + 36.7% basque (hgdp) @ 1.56
3 63% lebanese-druze (haber) + 37% basque (hgdp) @ 2.52
4 62.3% lebanese-druze (haber) + 37.7% spain-basc (henn2012) @ 2.53
5 54.4% lebanese-christian (haber) + 45.6% spaniard (1000genomes) @ 2.96
6 65.5% lebanese-muslim (haber) + 34.5% basque (hgdp) @ 3.07
7 86.7% sephardic-jew (behar) + 13.3% spain-basc (henn2012) @ 3.14
8 82.1% sephardic-jew (behar) + 17.9% spaniard (behar) @ 3.21
9 87.1% sephardic-jew (behar) + 12.9% basque (hgdp) @ 3.24
10 82.3% sephardic-jew (behar) + 17.7% spaniard (1000genomes) @ 3.28
11 64.9% lebanese-muslim (haber) + 35.1% spain-basc (henn2012) @ 3.34
12 68.6% lebanese (behar) + 31.4% basque (hgdp) @ 3.42
13 84.7% sephardic-jew (behar) + 15.3% french (hgdp) @ 3.58
14 69.4% morocco-jew (behar) + 30.6% tuscan (hgdp) @ 3.61
15 54% lebanese-druze (haber) + 46% spaniard (1000genomes) @ 3.63
16 68.8% morocco-jew (behar) + 31.2% tuscan (1000genomes) @ 3.69
17 68% lebanese (behar) + 32% spain-basc (henn2012) @ 3.69
18 87.6% sephardic-jew (behar) + 12.4% british (1000genomes) @ 3.81
19 88.2% sephardic-jew (behar) + 11.8% orcadian (hgdp) @ 3.84
20 76.8% sephardic-jew (behar) + 23.2% italian (hgdp) @ 3.86

I did this because I have more samples than does someone on Eupedia. I only put the largest components.

SICILIANS:
EAST SICILY:
Messina (N = 19)
Baloch: 7.71
Caucasus: 35.21
NE Euro: 14.03
Med: 25.86
SW Asian: 14.39

Catania (N = 15)
Baloch: 8.23
Caucasus: 34.22
NE Euro: 13.92
Med: 25.41
SW Asian: 14.12

Syracuse and Ragusa (N = 5)
Baloch: 8.25
Caucasus: 31.48
NE Euro: 17.59
Med: 26.86
SW Asian: 12.62

CENTRAL SICILY:
Caltanissetta (N = 4)
Baloch: 7.79
Caucasus: 32.44
NE Euro: 16.03
Med: 26.19
SW Asian: 14.29

WEST SICILY:
Agrigento (N = 6)
Baloch: 8.41
Caucasus: 31.72
NE Euro: 15.10
Med: 26.67
SW Asian: 14.19

Trapani (N = 19)
Baloch: 7.62
Caucasus: 31.98
NE Euro: 17.17
Med: 27.23
SW Asian: 13.29

Palermo (N = 30)
Baloch: 7.69
Caucasus: 32.88
NE Euro: 15.99
Med: 26.37
SW Asian: 14.03

Calabria (N = 14)
Baloch: 7.92
Caucasus: 35.69
NE Euro: 14.77
Med: 25.50
SW Asian: 14.16

[Token]

To be exact: between 25 and 35% of indo-european blood, but as a whole they have europeans features.

Target: Kalash:HGDP00330
Distance: 4.4264% / 0.04426385
33.8 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA3
30.6 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
17.2 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
16.8 Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps
1.4 Nganassan
0.2 Han

Target: Kalash:HGDP00328
Distance: 3.2252% / 0.03225170
34.2 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
28.4 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA3
22.8 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
12.2 Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps
1.6 Han
0.8 BRA_LapaDoSanto_9600BP

Target: Kalash:HGDP00326
Distance: 3.5605% / 0.03560451
29.0 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
28.2 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA3
23.2 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
15.4 Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps
2.4 Han
1.0 Nganassan
0.8 BRA_LapaDoSanto_9600BP

Target: Kalash:HGDP00323
Distance: 2.8004% / 0.02800356
31.6 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
25.8 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA3
24.8 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
13.4 Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps
2.6 Anatolia_Barcin_N
1.4 Han
0.4 BRA_LapaDoSanto_9600BP

Target: Kalash:HGDP00319
Distance: 3.8869% / 0.03886919
34.2 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA3
27.0 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
20.0 Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps
15.4 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
2.2 Han
1.2 Anatolia_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N

Target: Kalash:HGDP00315
Distance: 2.3605% / 0.02360456
34.2 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
32.8 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA3
19.6 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
8.8 Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps
2.6 Anatolia_Barcin_N
2.0 Han

Target: Kalash:HGDP00313
Distance: 3.3694% / 0.03369405
31.2 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA3
30.8 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
21.8 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
13.4 Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps
2.4 Han
0.2 BRA_LapaDoSanto_9600BP
0.2 Nganassan

Target: Kalash:HGDP00311
Distance: 4.4049% / 0.04404863
32.6 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA3
31.8 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
19.2 Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps
12.6 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
2.6 Han
1.2 Nganassan

Target: Kalash:HGDP00309
Distance: 2.8778% / 0.02877813
31.6 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA3
30.6 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
17.6 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
17.2 Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps
3.0 Han

Target: Kalash:HGDP00307
Distance: 2.7537% / 0.02753672
32.6 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
31.6 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA3
17.8 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
15.6 Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps
1.2 BRA_LapaDoSanto_9600BP
1.2 Han

Target: Kalash:HGDP00304
Distance: 1.9349% / 0.01934866
31.6 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
29.4 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA3
28.2 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
6.6 Anatolia_Barcin_N
1.6 Han
1.6 Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps
0.8 BRA_LapaDoSanto_9600BP
0.2 WHG

Target: Kalash:HGDP00302
Distance: 2.2774% / 0.02277430
31.6 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA3
29.8 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
18.0 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
15.4 Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps
2.0 Anatolia_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
1.8 Han
1.2 Nganassan
0.2 WHG

Target: Kalash:HGDP00298
Distance: 2.1014% / 0.02101409
32.4 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
30.4 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA3
22.8 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
9.2 Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps
2.6 Anatolia_Barcin_N
2.6 Han

Target: Kalash:HGDP00290
Distance: 2.9369% / 0.02936852
31.8 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA3
26.8 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
21.0 Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps
16.4 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
1.8 Han
1.4 BRA_LapaDoSanto_9600BP
0.8 WHG

Target: Kalash:HGDP00288
Distance: 2.7378% / 0.02737837
32.4 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA3
31.6 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
24.8 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
5.0 Anatolia_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
4.2 Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps
1.4 Han
0.4 BRA_LapaDoSanto_9600BP
0.2 WHG

Target: Kalash:HGDP00286
Distance: 4.0549% / 0.04054873
34.4 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA3
28.8 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
17.6 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
17.6 Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps
1.2 Han
0.4 BRA_LapaDoSanto_9600BP

Target: Kalash:HGDP00285
Distance: 4.0676% / 0.04067576
32.0 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
29.8 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA3
19.6 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
16.4 Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps
1.2 Han
1.0 Nganassan

Target: Kalash:HGDP00281
Distance: 2.6235% / 0.02623478
33.6 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
30.6 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA3
21.2 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
8.8 Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps
3.4 Anatolia_Barcin_N
2.4 Han

Target: Kalash:HGDP00279
Distance: 2.8617% / 0.02861656
35.4 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
33.0 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA3
16.2 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
8.0 Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps
2.8 Levant_PPNB
2.6 Han
1.4 Anatolia_Barcin_N
0.6 BRA_LapaDoSanto_9600BP

Target: Kalash:HGDP00277
Distance: 2.4844% / 0.02484410
33.8 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA3
29.6 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
21.0 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
8.4 Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps
6.4 Anatolia_Barcin_N
0.6 BRA_LapaDoSanto_9600BP
0.2 Han

Target: Kalash:HGDP00274
Distance: 2.9192% / 0.02919181
35.2 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA3
31.0 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
15.6 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
15.6 Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps
1.2 Han
1.0 Anatolia_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N
0.4 BRA_LapaDoSanto_9600BP

Target: Kalash:HGDP00267
Distance: 2.8960% / 0.02895961
33.4 IRN_Shahr_I_Sokhta_BA3
32.6 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
17.4 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
14.6 Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kaps
0.8 Han
0.8 Nganassan
0.4 Anatolia_Tepecik_Ciftlik_N

Kalash have a lot of Botai-related ancestry which inflates their steppe admixture if you don't reference it in your model. The most steppe among South Asians are the Khatri and Jatts, but they are not comparable to Europeans.

[Samnium]

Kalash have a lot of Botai-related ancestry which inflates their steppe admixture if you don't reference it in your model. The most steppe among South Asians are the Khatri and Jatts, but they are not comparable to Europeans.

Yes they are like... 30% "European", then the rest is really far from Europe.

Druze/Lebanese have less Steppe but are more European in that comparison, they have very high EEF admixture + some Steppe.

[dududud]

Yes they are like... 30% "European", then the rest is really far from Europe.

Druze/Lebanese have less Steppe but are more European in that comparison, they have very high EEF admixture + some Steppe.

Sure? Tu as vu ça sur le Global 25 ? ils ont combien en barcin?

[Leto]

Kalash have a lot of Botai-related ancestry which inflates their steppe admixture if you don't reference it in your model. The most steppe among South Asians are the Khatri and Jatts, but they are not comparable to Europeans.
Do you mean the West Siberian HGs? They were identified as 20% East Eurasian only if I remember correctly. With the rest being EHG and ANE.
Is that type of ancestry present in Central Asians?

[Token]

Yes they are like... 30% "European", then the rest is really far from Europe.

Druze/Lebanese have less Steppe but are more European in that comparison, they have very high EEF admixture + some Steppe.

Some Iranics like the least Asian admixed subsets of Tajiks can be even more steppe than Southwest Europeans. Rushan, for example, are around half Bronze Age North European. I'd say an Iron Age Germanic would feel culturally closer to a Iron Age Iranic (who were Tajik-like) than to a Lebanese, but Near Eastern influence profoundly changed both of us.

[Token]

Do you mean the West Siberian HGs? They were identified as 20% East Eurasian only if I remember correctly. With the rest being EHG and ANE.
Is that type of ancestry present in Central Asians?
WSHG admixture only survived in South Asians, especially in the lower castes.

[Leto]

WSHG admixture only survived in South Asians, especially in the lower castes.
That's pretty fucking strange. Low caste Indians score very little or no NE-Euro on Gedmatch.

Pamiris are about 40% Russian Steppe.

[Adamastor]

That's pretty fucking strange. Low caste Indians score very little or no NE-Euro on Gedmatch.


Maybe that happens because GEDmatch sucks to detect a lot of new stuff that is being released in the last 5-7 years.

[Samnium]

Some Iranics like the least Asian admixed subsets of Tajiks can be even more steppe than Southwest Europeans. Rushan, for example, are around half Bronze Age North European. I'd say an Iron Age Germanic would feel culturally closer to a Iron Age Iranic (who were Tajik-like) than to a Lebanese, but Near Eastern influence profoundly changed both of us.

Yes I agree, culturally it's a steppic/nomadic culture while Lebanon was since a very remote time urbanized and "sedentarized". Cities like Byblos are one of the oldest proper cities in the world.

[Token]

That's pretty fucking strange. Low caste Indians score very little or no NE-Euro on Gedmatch.

Pamiris are about 40% Russian Steppe.

I believe it is already included in the 'South Asian' component, but GEDmatch isn't accurate for deep ancestry. WSHG and Botai weren't particularly closely related to NE Europeans though.