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mergen3
02-21-2020, 10:19 AM
1-Northwest Anatolian Turks: 9 million sample:Çanakkale
2-Southwest Anatolian Turks: 8 million
sample:Denizli
3-Balkan Turks: 10 million
Sample: South Bulgaria
4- Southeast Anatolian Turks:4 million
sample:Gaziantep
5- South Anatolian Turks: 7 million
Sample:Mersin
6- Central Anatolian Turks:10 million
Sample:Konya
7- East Anatolian Turks:3 million
Sample: Iğdır
8- Thrace Turks:2million
Sample: Edirnehttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200221/1684b650f1b42fa4947c9e75430412b7.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200221/714d45b4f3ff2070e73bde381a0138e5.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200221/5f88cd6c466c72b62b5216e12b6951e7.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200221/697a298eea5ef70a482f20e3114378e1.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200221/d661c5692d7ba40f92c6b719ec43b986.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200221/8c231de0793a65446215163b080cc2cf.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200221/05409e813fcaee924ab8a193bd83d214.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20200221/b9e18e7b0afb566ba565d304d49f4be3.jpg
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My father's distances (Azeri from Iran):
Distance to: Father
4.37409419 Azerbaijani_Iran
4.38869001 Azerbaijani
5.11572087 Turk_Igdir
5.15059220 Azerbaijani_Turkey
5.29399660 Turk_Kars
7.17329074 Turk_Malatya
7.30709929 Kurd_Kurmanji
7.44184789 Turk_Sereflikochisar_Ankara
7.44591163 Talysh_Azerbaijan
7.61987533 Turk_Gaziantep
7.67839176 Turk_Southeast
7.88877050 Turk_Osmaniye
7.95314403 Turk_Kirsehir
8.02471183 Turk_Elazig
8.08160875 Turk_Kahranmaras
8.17671083 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
8.19827421 Zaza
8.33359466 Turk_Sanliurfa
8.82002834 Turk_Kilis
8.85749400 Kurd_Sorani
8.87068768 Turk_Yozgat
8.91094271 Turk_Sivas
9.04025995 Turk_Afyon
9.32167367 Turk_Tokat
9.34043896 Iranian_Fars
9.36342886 Iran_Central_East
9.58512911 Turkmen_Iraq
9.59526967 Turk_Corum
9.61415103 Turk_Aksaray
9.79988265 Turk_Hatay
9.95418505 Turk_Samsun
10.42573738 Kurd
10.43199406 Lur_Iran
10.69460612 Turk_Adana
10.83784111 Turk_Kayseri
10.90536565 Turk_Giresun_North
10.94974886 Turk_Ordu
10.95248374 Turk_Erzincan
10.96868269 Kurds
11.19243048 Turk_Nigde
11.27347329 Turk_Izmir
11.33389165 Turk_Nevsehir
11.55813999 Turk_Ankara
11.78369636 Turk_Giresun_South
11.88261756 Turk_Sinop
12.07824905 Turk_Afyonkarahisa
12.12605459 Turk_Bolu
12.12939405 Turk_Mersin
12.14023888 Turkmen_Iran
12.19015997 Iranians
12.20703895 Iran_Mazandaran
12.25867448 Turk_Konya
12.31849423 Turk_Cankiri
12.42634299 Yoruk
12.42684594 Turk_Bartin
12.46434916 Turk_Eskisehir
12.69293898 Turkmens
12.85469564 Turk_Usak
12.90667657 Turk_Karaman
12.91990325 Turk_Karabuk
12.92578818 Turk_Aydin
12.93122191 Turk_Burdur
12.94903471 Turk_Kastamonu
13.26502544 Turk_Isparta
13.68872894 Turk_Antalya
13.73657890 Turk_Denizli
14.08954577 Turk_Erzurum
14.39298440 Uzbekistan_Jews
14.53093252 Turk_Gumushane
14.54970790 Turk_Zonguldak
14.77894448 Circassian
14.88191184 Turk_Kuhtaya
14.98666074 Kumyks
Oghuz
02-21-2020, 10:25 AM
Igdir is mostly Kurdish and Azeri right ?
Igdir is mostly Kurdish and Azeri right ?
The samples for that average were ethnic Azeris. Correct.
Oghuz
02-21-2020, 10:28 AM
The samples for that average were ethnic Azeris. Correct.
Makes sense.
mergen3
02-21-2020, 10:30 AM
My father's distances (Azeri from Iran):
Distance to: Father
4.37409419 Azerbaijani_Iran
4.38869001 Azerbaijani
5.11572087 Turk_Igdir
5.15059220 Azerbaijani_Turkey
5.29399660 Turk_Kars
7.17329074 Turk_Malatya
7.30709929 Kurd_Kurmanji
7.44184789 Turk_Sereflikochisar_Ankara
7.44591163 Talysh_Azerbaijan
7.61987533 Turk_Gaziantep
7.67839176 Turk_Southeast
7.88877050 Turk_Osmaniye
7.95314403 Turk_Kirsehir
8.02471183 Turk_Elazig
8.08160875 Turk_Kahranmaras
8.17671083 Azerbaijani_Dagestan
8.19827421 Zaza
8.33359466 Turk_Sanliurfa
8.82002834 Turk_Kilis
8.85749400 Kurd_Sorani
8.87068768 Turk_Yozgat
8.91094271 Turk_Sivas
9.04025995 Turk_Afyon
9.32167367 Turk_Tokat
9.34043896 Iranian_Fars
9.36342886 Iran_Central_East
9.58512911 Turkmen_Iraq
9.59526967 Turk_Corum
9.61415103 Turk_Aksaray
9.79988265 Turk_Hatay
9.95418505 Turk_Samsun
10.42573738 Kurd
10.43199406 Lur_Iran
10.69460612 Turk_Adana
10.83784111 Turk_Kayseri
10.90536565 Turk_Giresun_North
10.94974886 Turk_Ordu
10.95248374 Turk_Erzincan
10.96868269 Kurds
11.19243048 Turk_Nigde
11.27347329 Turk_Izmir
11.33389165 Turk_Nevsehir
11.55813999 Turk_Ankara
11.78369636 Turk_Giresun_South
11.88261756 Turk_Sinop
12.07824905 Turk_Afyonkarahisa
12.12605459 Turk_Bolu
12.12939405 Turk_Mersin
12.14023888 Turkmen_Iran
12.19015997 Iranians
12.20703895 Iran_Mazandaran
12.25867448 Turk_Konya
12.31849423 Turk_Cankiri
12.42634299 Yoruk
12.42684594 Turk_Bartin
12.46434916 Turk_Eskisehir
12.69293898 Turkmens
12.85469564 Turk_Usak
12.90667657 Turk_Karaman
12.91990325 Turk_Karabuk
12.92578818 Turk_Aydin
12.93122191 Turk_Burdur
12.94903471 Turk_Kastamonu
13.26502544 Turk_Isparta
13.68872894 Turk_Antalya
13.73657890 Turk_Denizli
14.08954577 Turk_Erzurum
14.39298440 Uzbekistan_Jews
14.53093252 Turk_Gumushane
14.54970790 Turk_Zonguldak
14.77894448 Circassian
14.88191184 Turk_Kuhtaya
14.98666074 KumyksFather's result is close to eastern anatolian turks. Eastern Anatolian Turks look very similar to Azerbaijan as a phenotyle.
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Father's result is close to eastern anatolian turks. Eastern Anatolian Turks look very similar to Azerbaijan as a phenotyle.
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Yes. Although there are cities in East which are far removed. Like Erzurum for example or Armenian and Caucasian influenced cities. Western Turkish cities are still closer than Armenians which shows the turkic substructure of Turks and Azeris. I think the term Iranian Turks fits Azeris very well being somewhat an intermediate population.
The samples for that average were ethnic Azeris. Correct.
Aren't they just Eastern Turks in Turkey?
mergen3
02-21-2020, 10:38 AM
mostly Azeri. The Turkishdnaproject.com accepts 4 generation turkish samples. Kars and Iğdır Turks are of Azerbaijani origin.
OrhanU
02-21-2020, 10:43 AM
My results (Çanakkale)
Population
Gedrosia 9.29 Pct
Siberian 0.81 Pct
Northwest_African 0.26 Pct
Southeast_Asian 3.03 Pct
Atlantic_Med 18.07 Pct
North_European 27.62 Pct
South_Asian -
East_African 0.08 Pct
Southwest_Asian 9.69 Pct
East_Asian -
Caucasus 30.85 Pct
Sub_Saharan 0.31 Pct
Aren't they just Eastern Turks in Turkey?
They are of Azerbaijani origin. Their results clearly show it to me. What they are considered as in Turkey is a different question.
Bosniensis
02-21-2020, 10:47 AM
So Turks are mainly Kartvelian + Iranic + Turanic mix
They are of Azerbaijani origin. Their results clearly show it to me.
No, I mean in Turkey they are not treated as a minority, are they?
mergen3
02-21-2020, 10:49 AM
Yes. Although there are cities in East which are far removed. Like Erzurum for example or Armenian and Caucasian influenced cities. Western Turkish cities are still closer than Armenians which shows the turkic substructure of Turks and Azeris. I think the term Iranian Turks fits Azeris very well being somewhat an intermediate population.Since 1980, there has been a lot of marriage between western anatolian turks and balkan turks. this generation is similar to the Greeks. But they have a %8 eastern eurasian dna
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No, I mean in Turkey they are not treated as a minority, are they?
I don't think so. They just speak with Azeri accent and are Shia muslims.
mergen3
02-21-2020, 10:52 AM
My results (Çanakkale)
Population
Gedrosia9.29 Pct
Siberian0.81 Pct
Northwest_African0.26 Pct
Southeast_Asian3.03 Pct
Atlantic_Med18.07 Pct
North_European27.62 Pct
South_Asian-
East_African0.08 Pct
Southwest_Asian9.69 Pct
East_Asian-
Caucasus30.85 Pct
Sub_Saharan0.31 PctBalkan Türklerine yakınsın. Buradaki Çanakkale örneği 4 nesil oranın yerlisi olan kişilerden alınmış. Yani göçmenler Çanakkale örneğinin dışanda kalıyor.
OrhanU
02-21-2020, 10:56 AM
Balkan Türklerine yakınsın. Buradaki Çanakkale örneği 4 nesil oranın yerlisi olan kişilerden alınmış. Yani göçmenler Çanakkale örneğinin dışanda kalıyor.
Haklısın, yerlisi değilim.
Oghuz
02-21-2020, 10:58 AM
Aren't they just Eastern Turks in Turkey?
Igdir was principally Iranian territory until it got lost to Czar Russia through a stupid treaty. It was a strong hold of Ghovanlu, Bayat, Ayrumlu Azeris with Persian elite against Ottomans. There was also a very prominent Persian elite in the region during Afsharid times that Nader Shah himself appointed. They all returned to mainland after Russian treaty along with Ayrumlu and Karapapakhs etc. I think current Azeris in Igdir and Kars are still the remnants of these groups.
I'd like to see some results from Ağrı. Perhaps the northernmost Kurds.
Hapanuwa
02-21-2020, 01:19 PM
My results: Afyonkarahisar
# Population Percent
1 Caucasus 36.83
2 Atlantic_Med 14.64
3 North_European 13.72
4 Gedrosia 10.44
5 Southwest_Asian 10.33
6 East_Asian 4.63
7 Siberian 3.39
8 Southeast_Asian 3.13
9 Northwest_African 1.37
10 South_Asian 1.32
11 East_African 0.21
Hapanuwa
02-21-2020, 01:23 PM
My father's distances (Azeri from Iran):
Distance to: Father
4.37409419 Azerbaijani_Iran
4.38869001 Azerbaijan
Can I have the coordinates for all those Turkish cities? I'd like to see my distances to the eastern cities.
Can I have the coordinates for all those Turkish cities? I'd like to see my distances to the eastern cities.
Sure I'll send them to you in PM
Voskos
02-21-2020, 06:55 PM
7% East Eurasian in Gaziantep. Lol.
Bosniensis
02-21-2020, 07:01 PM
7% East Eurasian in Gaziantep. Lol.
What does that mean.. I can't even properly laugh since every day I learn something new about Turkey.
Voskos
02-21-2020, 07:03 PM
What does that mean.. I can't even properly laugh since every day I learn something new about Turkey.
it means even the deep south of turkey is turanic.
Korialstrasz
02-22-2020, 11:33 AM
I scraped the data on the website and prepared this collection of maps.
The data displayed are standardized within the Dodecad components.
https://i.ibb.co/k8RYW8r/tr-Dodecad.jpg (https://ibb.co/Nj8wHjk)
I wonder why the samples from Çorum display rather high South Asian and SSA admixture.
Kaspias
02-22-2020, 11:37 AM
I scraped the data on the website and prepared this collection of maps.
The data displayed are standardized within the Dodecad components.
https://i.ibb.co/k8RYW8r/tr-Dodecad.jpg (https://ibb.co/Nj8wHjk)
I wonder why the samples from Çorum display rather high South Asian and SSA admixture.
Which software did you use?
Korialstrasz
02-22-2020, 11:45 AM
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Korialstrasz
02-22-2020, 11:46 AM
Which software did you use?
I entirely used R. The packages I used are rvest and RSelenium for the scrape; dplyr, ggplot and sf for data manipulation and spatial visualization.
Turkey shapefiles are readily available on the internet, district or neighborhood based maps can be retrieved using QGIS (which uses openstreepmap API).
I noticed that Giresun is missing from the maps. This is due to how Giresun is being handled by the website. They partitioned it into two.
I scraped the data on the website and prepared this collection of maps.
The data displayed are standardized within the Dodecad components.
https://i.ibb.co/k8RYW8r/tr-Dodecad.jpg (https://ibb.co/Nj8wHjk)
I wonder why the samples from Çorum display rather high South Asian and SSA admixture.
Corum is 0.32 SSA on average. That doesn't say much.
Korialstrasz
02-22-2020, 12:01 PM
Corum is 0.32 SSA on average. That doesn't say much.
Yes, exactly. That's why I explicitly stated that the the values are standardized.
Yet, even seemingly noise-related levels of SSA admixture seem to be higher in the south which weakly suggests that they could be more than noise.
Yes, exactly. That's why I explicitly stated that the the values are standardized.
Yet, even seemingly noise-related levels of SSA admixture seem to be higher in the south which weakly suggests that they could be more than noise.
It's because they live closer to Arabs. Which could have influenced it minimally. Nonetheless it's all noise/irrelevant level
Kivan
02-22-2020, 12:08 PM
It's because they live closer to Arabs. Which could have influenced it minimally. Nonetheless it's all noise/irrelevant level
There are no Arabs in that region. What are you talking about?
There are no Arabs in that region. What are you talking about?
Korialstrasz was arguing that the South has more SSA than the north. Which is irrelevant if you take a look at the SSA levels. 0.32 is highest in all of Turkey.
Kivan
02-22-2020, 12:32 PM
Korialstrasz was arguing that the South has more SSA than the north. Which is irrelevant if you take a look at the SSA levels. 0.32 is highest in all of Turkey.
I misunderstood the previous post. I thought you were talking about Çorum.
Kaspias
02-22-2020, 07:37 PM
I entirely used R. The packages I used are rvest and RSelenium for the scrape; dplyr, ggplot and sf for data manipulation and spatial visualization.
Turkey shapefiles are readily available on the internet, district or neighborhood based maps can be retrieved using QGIS (which uses openstreepmap API).
I noticed that Giresun is missing from the maps. This is due to how Giresun is being handled by the website. They partitioned it into two.
Thank you!
I got this error during the process, at the final step, and clueless about the solution. Code is trying to map a fixed set of fills to the data, and therein lies the problem but don't know how to fix it.
x=read.csv("x.csv",header=T,sep=";")
head(x)
final_map <- left_join(bgr_for, id_and_cities, by = "id")
head(final_map)
id_and_cities<- data_frame(id = rownames(bgr@data), sehir = bgr@data$NAME_1) %>% left_join(x, by = "city")
head(id_and_cities)
ggplot(final_map) +geom_polygon( aes(x = long, y = lat, group = group, fill = x), color = "grey") +
+ coord_map() +theme_void() + labs(title = "*",caption = "*") +
+ scale_fill_distiller(name = "Score",palette = "Spectral", limits = c(15,30), na.value = "white") +
+ theme(plot.title = element_text(hjust = 0.5),plot.subtitle = element_text(hjust = 0.5))
Aesthetics must be either length 1 or the same as the data (51254): fill
Korialstrasz
02-23-2020, 06:24 AM
Thank you!
I got this error during the process, at the final step, and clueless about the solution. Code is trying to map a fixed set of fills to the data, and therein lies the problem but don't know how to fix it.
x=read.csv("x.csv",header=T,sep=";")
head(x)
final_map <- left_join(bgr_for, id_and_cities, by = "id")
head(final_map)
id_and_cities<- data_frame(id = rownames(bgr@data), sehir = bgr@data$NAME_1) %>% left_join(x, by = "city")
head(id_and_cities)
ggplot(final_map) +geom_polygon( aes(x = long, y = lat, group = group, fill = x), color = "grey") +
+ coord_map() +theme_void() + labs(title = "*",caption = "*") +
+ scale_fill_distiller(name = "Score",palette = "Spectral", limits = c(15,30), na.value = "white") +
+ theme(plot.title = element_text(hjust = 0.5),plot.subtitle = element_text(hjust = 0.5))
I don't know how the map file is structured but I'd give the sf package a try. (Much easier to plot spatial shapes. (a line like "ggplot(df) + geom_sf(aes(fill=x))" should do the trick)
But your fill variable name seems very generic, that might be interfering with the process if you have another variable having that name.
But 51000 entries feel a bit too much for a fill variable (which should be mapped to 51000 polygons), assuming that you're trying to plot the map of Bulgaria.
Even if the map file is not compatible you can convert it to a form that geom_sf understands using the functions from the sf package.
Kaspias
02-23-2020, 07:44 AM
I don't know how the map file is structured but I'd give the sf package a try. (Much easier to plot spatial shapes. (a line like "ggplot(df) + geom_sf(aes(fill=x))" should do the trick)
But your fill variable name seems very generic, that might be interfering with the process if you have another variable having that name.
But 51000 entries feel a bit too much for a fill variable (which should be mapped to 51000 polygons), assuming that you're trying to plot the map of Bulgaria.
Even if the map file is not compatible you can convert it to a form that geom_sf understands using the functions from the sf package.
It worked!
altaic
02-24-2020, 02:17 AM
My result (Central East Anatolian Turk, both parents from Elazig)
https://i.ibb.co/xXKPFX3/48-D5-D688-3680-48-AC-8114-1-B43292-BF3-BE.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/Jcx8jNM/DCDABEAB-A5-CD-47-BA-A2-EF-E8-C9-DF68-CD9-A.jpg
Calculation out of 8 cities
3.96620726 Turk_Elazig
4.40184052 Turk_Igdir
4.93418686 Turk_Kars
5.33303853 Turk_Erzincan
8.66095838 Turk_Gumushane
10.16824960 Turk_Erzurum
13.69463399 Turk_Artvin
14.28223372 Turk_Ardahan
Target: Altaic
Distance: 376.7503% / 3.76750256 | ADC: 1x
76.6 Turk_Elazig
22.0 Turk_Igdir
1.4 Turk_Erzincan
Target: Altaic
Distance: 396.6207% / 3.96620726 | ADC: 2x
100.0 Turk_Elazig
altaic
02-25-2020, 01:57 PM
Calculation out of all cities in Turkey:
Distance to: Altaic
2.61363731 Turk_Malatya
3.00850461 Turk_Kilis
3.82085069 Turk_Sivas
3.96620726 Turk_Elazig
4.40184052 Turk_Igdir
4.53626498 Turk_Gaziantep
4.66673333 Turk_Corum
4.74648291 Turk_Yozgat
4.78271889 Turk_Kahranmaras
4.93418686 Turk_Kars
5.04162672 Turk_Tokat
5.17779876 Turk_Kayseri
5.22880483 Turk_Samsun
5.33303853 Turk_Erzincan
5.59743691 Turk_Kirsehir
5.77047658 Turk_Sanliurfa
5.77962802 Turk_Hatay
5.79210670 Turk_Sereflikochisar
5.91983952 Turk_Aksaray
5.95462006 Turk_Nevsehir
6.10692230 Turk_Osmaniye
6.14348435 Turk_Sinop
6.49662220 Turk_Nigde
6.49849983 Turk_Giresun_South
6.63251838 Turk_Konya
Target: Altaic
Distance: 241.7837% / 2.41783692 | ADC: 1x
76.2 Turk_Malatya
23.8 Turk_Kilis
Target: Altaic
Distance: 234.6656% / 2.34665620 | ADC: 0.5x
64.0 Turk_Malatya
34.0 Turk_Kilis
2.0 Turk_Gumushane
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