Another Italian Alpine Gedmatch results

[Samnium]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GL4WqLE_DaM

My Gedmatch Genesis EUtest Admixture Proportions:
Single Population Sharing:
1 North_Italian 5.47
2 Tuscan 6.54
3 PT 9.6
4 ES 11.01
5 FR 12.68
6 RO 17.35
7 Serbian 18.04
8 South_Italian_&_Sicilian 18.32
9 AT 18.34
10 West_&_Central_German 20.42
11 GR 20.48
12 AJ 20.62
13 NL 21.07
14 HU 21.12
15 Cornish 21.31
16 English 21.58
17 Orcadian 24.07
18 French_Basque 24.23
19 IE 24.3
20 DK 24.88

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
1 69.4% Tuscan + 30.6% FR @ 3.79
2 68% Tuscan + 32% ES @ 4.52
3 81.6% Tuscan + 18.4% Cornish @ 4.55
4 81.9% Tuscan + 18.1% English @ 4.58
5 64.5% Tuscan + 35.5% PT @ 4.62
6 81.8% Tuscan + 18.2% NL @ 4.69
7 84.1% Tuscan + 15.9% French_Basque @ 4.77
8 84.2% Tuscan + 15.8% Orcadian @ 4.81
9 84.3% Tuscan + 15.7% IE @ 4.82
10 63.2% North_Italian + 36.8% Tuscan @ 4.83
11 85.1% Tuscan + 14.9% Scottish @ 4.86
12 82% Tuscan + 18% West_&_Central_German @ 4.88
13 85% Tuscan + 15% DK @ 4.91
14 86% Tuscan + 14% NO @ 4.94
15 86.3% Tuscan + 13.7% South_&_Central_Swedish @ 4.97
16 96.6% North_Italian + 3.4% Sardinian @ 5.34
17 88.6% Tuscan + 11.4% North_Swedish @ 5.36
18 88.7% North_Italian + 11.3% PT @ 5.37
19 92.1% North_Italian + 7.9% FR @ 5.38
20 96.1% North_Italian + 3.9% English @ 5.4

Tuscan shifted, strange, again Alpine area.

I think it's possible that also some Alpine areas received Northern input but others preserved an old Neolithic profile.

[dududud]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GL4WqLE_DaM

My Gedmatch Genesis EUtest Admixture Proportions:
Single Population Sharing:
1 North_Italian 5.47
2 Tuscan 6.54
3 PT 9.6
4 ES 11.01
5 FR 12.68
6 RO 17.35
7 Serbian 18.04
8 South_Italian_&_Sicilian 18.32
9 AT 18.34
10 West_&_Central_German 20.42
11 GR 20.48
12 AJ 20.62
13 NL 21.07
14 HU 21.12
15 Cornish 21.31
16 English 21.58
17 Orcadian 24.07
18 French_Basque 24.23
19 IE 24.3
20 DK 24.88

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
1 69.4% Tuscan + 30.6% FR @ 3.79
2 68% Tuscan + 32% ES @ 4.52
3 81.6% Tuscan + 18.4% Cornish @ 4.55
4 81.9% Tuscan + 18.1% English @ 4.58
5 64.5% Tuscan + 35.5% PT @ 4.62
6 81.8% Tuscan + 18.2% NL @ 4.69
7 84.1% Tuscan + 15.9% French_Basque @ 4.77
8 84.2% Tuscan + 15.8% Orcadian @ 4.81
9 84.3% Tuscan + 15.7% IE @ 4.82
10 63.2% North_Italian + 36.8% Tuscan @ 4.83
11 85.1% Tuscan + 14.9% Scottish @ 4.86
12 82% Tuscan + 18% West_&_Central_German @ 4.88
13 85% Tuscan + 15% DK @ 4.91
14 86% Tuscan + 14% NO @ 4.94
15 86.3% Tuscan + 13.7% South_&_Central_Swedish @ 4.97
16 96.6% North_Italian + 3.4% Sardinian @ 5.34
17 88.6% Tuscan + 11.4% North_Swedish @ 5.36
18 88.7% North_Italian + 11.3% PT @ 5.37
19 92.1% North_Italian + 7.9% FR @ 5.38
20 96.1% North_Italian + 3.9% English @ 5.4

Tuscan shifted, strange, again Alpine area.

I think it's possible that also some Alpine areas received Northern input but others preserved an old Neolithic profile.

Le profil néolithique c'est plus quand c'est indiqué "sardinian", par exemple chez ma mère c'est clairement indiqué. Chez moi aussi, c'est pas "toscan".

[Samnium]

Le profil néolithique c'est plus quand c'est indiqué "sardinian", par exemple chez ma mère c'est clairement indiqué. Chez moi aussi, c'est pas "toscan".

Tuscans are more East Med it's true, but they do have heavy EEF component.

[dududud]

Tuscans are more East Med it's true, but they do have heavy EEF component.

Oui je sais, mais je voulais dire qu'en général quand il y a un vieux profil néolithique qui "remonte" à la surface, Gedmatch indique "10/20% sardinian" ou une connerie du genre. Maintenant il faudrait avoir plus de samples provenant des Alpes du Nord de l'Italie, car individuellement on ne sait pas si la personne est juste une "outlier" comparé à la moyenne (ce qui existe).

[Samnium]

Oui je sais, mais je voulais dire qu'en général quand il y a un vieux profil néolithique qui "remonte" à la surface, Gedmatch indique "10/20% sardinian" ou une connerie du genre. Maintenant il faudrait avoir plus de samples provenant des Alpes du Nord de l'Italie, car individuellement on ne sait pas si la personne est juste une "outlier" comparé à la moyenne (ce qui existe).

J'en ai découvert deux comme ça, c'est assez étonnant, généralement on pense que les alpins sont bien plus tirés vers le "Nord", apparemment...

[dududud]

J'en ai découvert deux comme ça, c'est assez étonnant, généralement on pense que les alpins sont bien plus tirés vers le "Nord", apparemment...

Faut voir. Personnellement, je n'ai rien trouvé comme sample sur le datasheet du Global 25 en ce qui concerne les Alpins.

[Vid Flumina]

You bought into the Alpine vs Plain divide but things are not as linear as they seem :)

Banned TA member Enr1989 is from southern Friuli, even with some distant southern Italian ancestry he's farther from Bergamo than many - and I mean MANY - Alpine Italians:

Target: Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige
Distance: 0.9761% / 0.00976113
75.4 Italian_Bergamo
24.6 Swiss_German

Target: Enr1989_scaled
Distance: 2.4549% / 0.02454896
60.2 Italian_Bergamo
39.8 Swiss_German

Mine, also overwhelmingly from the plain, are about half way between Bergamo and Swiss Germans. Meanwhile up there in Carnia you get stuff like this:

Target: Tolmezzo_scaled
Distance: 2.2734% / 0.02273450
81.6 Italian_Bergamo
18.4 Italian_Tuscany

(NB: I have multiple coordinates from this area and all more or less retain this profile)

This is what Enr1989 told me about the region:


Comunque il risultato di Tolmezzo che mi hai mandato conferma la mia teoria(anche se isolato conta poco), basata tuttavia sulla mera osservazione fenotipica ovvero che escludendo le zone e valli di confine che sono etnicamente già Slovena o Austriaca il resto della zona montana Friulana starebbe piu a sud della pianura, frequentando la montagna molte volte ho notato questo, tipi autocnoni dinaro-med che fitterebbero bene in zone come l'Emilia Romagna o il basso Veneto, mentre gli autocnoni della pianura Friulana sono proiettati di più verso l'Europa centrale sia a livello di biondismo che di fenotipi ( molti CM e Norid).

[dududud]

You bought into the Alpine vs Plain divide but things are not as linear as they seem :)

Banned TA member Enr1989 is from southern Friuli, even with some distant southern Italian ancestry he's farther from Bergamo than many - and I mean MANY - Alpine Italians:

Target: Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige
Distance: 0.9761% / 0.00976113
75.4 Italian_Bergamo
24.6 Swiss_German

Target: Enr1989_scaled
Distance: 2.4549% / 0.02454896
60.2 Italian_Bergamo
39.8 Swiss_German

Mine, also overwhelmingly from the plain, are about half way between Bergamo and Swiss Germans. Meanwhile up there in Carnia you get stuff like this:

Target: Tolmezzo_scaled
Distance: 2.2734% / 0.02273450
81.6 Italian_Bergamo
18.4 Italian_Tuscany

(NB: I have multiple coordinates from this area and all more or less retain this profile)

This is what Enr1989 told me about the region:

Ca provient de quel datasheet les résultats plus haut ?

[Adamastor]

Do you have the kit number?

[savvas]

She is half Alpine and half Milanese/Brianzola:


My mum is tall, with medium dark skin, curly brown hair and brown eyes, all we know is that both my maternal grandparents were born in Milan/Brianza.

[Samnium]

Do you have the kit number?

Nope. Unfortunately.

[Insuperable]

She also gets this:

18 88.7% North_Italian + 11.3% PT @ 5.37
19 92.1% North_Italian + 7.9% FR @ 5.38
20 96.1% North_Italian + 3.9% English @ 5.4

Similar genetic distances compared to North Italian + Tuscan