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Which peoples brought steppe Indo-Iranian R1a to Kurdistan ?
From the studies I have seen Kurds seem to have one of the highest frequencies of Ydna R1a (up to 25% ) between Lebanon and Pakistan/Iran border. This was the dominant proto Indo-Iranian a/k/a Aryans in the Rig Veda & Persian Avesta, also known as the 4000 year old Sintashta-Petrovka culture.
Whereas many Kurds have the paternal steppe Indo-Iranian R1a, others like myself have the maternal W4 steppe Indo-Iranian and other maternal steppe groups such as H1b, H1c, H2a1, H6, H7, H11, T1a1a1, U2e, U4, U5a1a, as well as some subclades of I, J, K, T2 and V.
From Grugni et al 2012
https://i.imgur.com/qyG7iG1.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/ZQFbGLQ.jpg
From Eupedia
https://i.imgur.com/dRxQbPO.jpg
From Dogan et al 2017
https://i.imgur.com/SliTnNI.jpg
Nasidze et al 2015 found R1a at 26% among Zaza Kurds of Turkey
Nomansman
02-21-2020, 11:41 AM
Which peoples brought steppe Indo-Iranian R1a to Kurdistan ?
From the studies I have seen Kurds seem to have one of the highest frequencies of Ydna R1a (up to 25% ) between Lebanon and Pakistan. This was the dominant proto Indo-Iranian a/k/a Aryans in the Rig Veda & Persian Avesta, also known as the 4000 year old Sintashta-Petrovka culture.
Whereas many Kurds have the paternal steppe Indo-Iranian R1a, others like myself have the maternal W4 steppe Indo-Iranian and other maternal steppe groups such as H1b, H1c, H2a1, H6, H7, H11, T1a1a1, U2e, U4, U5a1a, as well as some subclades of I, J, K, T2 and V.
From Grugni et al 2012
https://i.imgur.com/qyG7iG1.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/ZQFbGLQ.jpg
From Eupedia
https://i.imgur.com/dRxQbPO.jpg
From Dogan et al 2017
https://i.imgur.com/SliTnNI.jpg
Nasidze et al 2015 found R1a at 26% among Zaza Kurds of Turkey
Well, they def have the highest R1a of their region(even highest steppe autosomally), but not the highest r1a between lebanon and pakistan.
Oghuz
02-21-2020, 11:42 AM
Highest % of R1a-Z93 I think will be among Tajiks
Most Kurds, Persians, Sistanis, Azeris belong to R1a1 M-198 subclade.
Well, they def have the highest R1a of their region(even highest steppe autosomally), but not the highest r1a between lebanon and pakistan.
Ok i said one of highest. By Pakistan i mean border of Pakistan
Highest % of R1a-Z93 I think will be among Tajiks
Most Kurds, Persians, Sistanis, Azeris belong to R1a1 M-198 subclade.
Yeah Tajiks have higher but up to the Iran/Afg or Iran/Pak border Kurds are one of the highest.
Kurds are M-198 and M-17 which if you test further down they are M-417 and still further down they will be Z-93 . I also saw L657 Kurd in FTDNA project
But the question is which peoples brought ALL the steppe indo-iranian Ydna and mtdna. Medes, Parthians, Mittani, Saka or combination of them
samario
02-21-2020, 12:04 PM
Why is my haplogroup so popular to be honest? Many threads about R-Z93.
PaleoEuropean
02-21-2020, 12:08 PM
Yeah Tajiks have higher but up to the Iran/Afg or Iran/Pak border Kurds are one of the highest.
Kurds are M-198 and M-17 which if you test further down they are M-417 and still further down they will be Z-93
But the question is which peoples brought ALL the steppe indo-iranian Ydna and mtdna. Medes, Parthians, Mittani, Saka or combination of them
the Khwarazmians and other Steppe Iranians did. The Kurds owe part of their origin to the Khwarazmians who fled the Mongols.
Oghuz
02-21-2020, 12:11 PM
Yeah Tajiks have higher but up to the Iran/Afg or Iran/Pak border Kurds are one of the highest. M-198 is also an Indo-Iranian but the question is which peoples brought ALL the steppe indo-iranian Ydna and mtdna. Medes, Parthians, Mittani, Saka or combination of them
M-198 came from M-420 which according to this publication in European Jounral of Genetics, originated inside Iran from where it spread out with Iran_N and later with Iran_CHL migrations from Iran.
https://doi.org/10.1038/ejhg.2014.50
I would like to think that it was present inside Iran and later got reinforced with IE migrations.
Why is my haplogroup so popular to be honest? Many threads about R-Z93.
Because it had a big impact on the languages of Europe and Asia. Even Turks and Turkics who are Z-93 are just language shifted Indo-Iranians, such as Indo-Iranian speaking Saka, Scythians who later language shifted with the movement of Huns and other Turkics from east.
M-198 came from M-420 which according to this publication in European Jounral of Genetics, originated inside Iran from where it spread out with Iran_N and later with Iran_CHL migrations from Iran.
https://doi.org/10.1038/ejhg.2014.50
I would like to think that it was present inside Iran and later got reinforced with IE migrations.
I looked at the publication you cited and it doesn't focus on Kurds but they give the following information
We measured R1a haplogroup frequency by population (Supplementary Table 4). Of the 2923 hg R1a-M420 samples, 2893 were derived for the M417/Page7 mutations (1693 non-Roma Europeans and 1200 pan-Asians), whereas the more basal subgroups were rare. We observed just 24 R1a*-M420(xSRY10831.2), 6 R1a1*-SRY10831.2(xM198), and 12 R1a1a1-M417/Page7*(xZ282,Z93). We did not observe a single instance of R1a1a-M198*(xM417,Page7), but we cannot exclude the possibility of its existence.
In other words out of 2923 R1a-M420 samples from Asia and Europe the vast majority turned out M417 (2893 samples) and only 6 were basal M198.
This tells me that if we test all those M198 and M17 Kurds they will very likely be M417 which is the parent haplogroup for Z-93
the Khwarazmians and other Steppe Iranians did. The Kurds owe part of their origin to the Khwarazmians who fled the Mongols.
Possibly, but I'm sure the Medes, Parthians (and their Saka relatives), Mittani had a bigger contribution
From Eupedia:
Proto-Indo-Iranian speakers, the people who later called themselves 'Aryans' in the Rig Veda and the Avesta, originated in the Sintashta-Petrovka culture (2100-1750 BCE), in the Tobol and Ishim valleys, east of the Ural Mountains. It was founded by pastoralist nomads from the Abashevo culture (2500-1900 BCE), ranging from the upper Don-Volga to the Ural Mountains, and the Poltavka culture (2700-2100 BCE), extending from the lower Don-Volga to the Caspian depression.
The Sintashta-Petrovka culture, associated with R1a-Z93 and its subclades, was the first Bronze Age advance of the Indo-Europeans west of the Urals, opening the way to the vast plains and deserts of Central Asia to the metal-rich Altai mountains. The Aryans quickly expanded over all Central Asia, from the shores of the Caspian to southern Siberia and the Tian Shan, through trading, seasonal herd migrations, and looting raids.
Horse-drawn war chariots seem to have been invented by Sintashta people around 2100 BCE, and quickly spread to the mining region of Bactria-Margiana (modern border of Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, Tajikistan and Afghanistan). Copper had been extracted intensively in the Urals, and the Proto-Indo-Iranians from Sintashta-Petrovka were exporting it in huge quantities to the Middle East. They appear to have been attracted by the natural resources of the Zeravshan valley for a Petrovka copper-mining colony was established in Tugai around 1900 BCE, and tin was extracted soon afterwards at Karnab and Mushiston. Tin was an especially valued resource in the late Bronze Age, when weapons were made of copper-tin alloy, stronger than the more primitive arsenical bronze. In the 1700's BCE, the Indo-Iranians expanded to the lower Amu Darya valley and settled in irrigation farming communities (Tazabagyab culture). By 1600 BCE, the old fortified towns of Margiana-Bactria were abandoned, submerged by the northern steppe migrants. The group of Central Asian cultures under Indo-Iranian influence is known as the Andronovo horizon, and lasted until 800 BCE.
The Indo-Iranian migrations progressed further south across the Hindu Kush. By 1700 BCE, horse-riding pastoralists had penetrated into Balochistan (south-west Pakistan). The Indus valley succumbed circa 1500 BCE, and the northern and central parts of the Indian subcontinent were taken over by 500 BCE. Westward migrations led Old Indic Sanskrit speakers riding war chariots to Assyria, where they became the Mitanni rulers from circa 1500 BCE. The Medes, Parthians and Persians, all Iranian speakers from the Andronovo culture, moved into the Iranian plateau from 800 BCE. Those that stayed in Central Asia are remembered by history as the Scythians, while the Yamna descendants who remained in the Pontic-Caspian steppe became known as the Sarmatians to the ancient Greeks and Romans.
Hajimurad
02-21-2020, 01:14 PM
Why is my haplogroup so popular to be honest? Many threads about R-Z93.
From which region of Spain you have direct paternal ancestry?
samario
02-21-2020, 01:19 PM
From which region of Spain you have direct paternal ancestry?
My paternal Spanish surname is from Asturias. My parents and grandparents are all Colombian.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f8/Asturias_in_Spain_%28plus_Canarias%29.svg/1200px-Asturias_in_Spain_%28plus_Canarias%29.svg.png
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/proxy/kaBu1nqV2U5PLW9cG8NVUH1W_B9t27VK-p1N5CDOQIlksM9d6WKzzO0ervdsNurUy2FkaFI_cbXygLhen5G 3BHf37fLnZSnydIEuP_-cedc9Z_n9LqmL53gQje6uv3hYEQCJt_M
https://www.spain.info/export/sites/spaininfo/comun/carrusel-recursos/asturias/bahinas-castrillon-ply385_imgAS-222.jpg_369272544.jpg
Hajimurad
02-21-2020, 01:19 PM
Possibly, but I'm sure the Medes, Parthians (and their Saka relatives), Mittani had a bigger contribution
Mittani was Indo-Aryan elite over Hurrian kingdom, not Iranic. The only reliable candidate for ancestors of Kurds are Medes and, to some extent, Parthians. Also Zaza and Gorani peoples are considered as descendants of Daylamites (ancient Caspians).
Halgurd
02-21-2020, 01:22 PM
Mittani was Indo-Aryan elite over Hurrian kingdom, not Iranic. The only reliable candidate for ancestors of Kurds are Medes and, to some extent, Parthians. Also Zaza and Gorani peoples are considered as descendants of Daylamites (ancient Caspians).
Mitanni kingdom was based geographically in Kurdistan. They are also amongst our ancestors.
Hajimurad
02-21-2020, 01:25 PM
My paternal Spanish surname is from Asturias. My parents and grandparents are all Colombian.
Native Celts of Asturia aren't supposed to have R1a-Z93 so your ancestor could came from Visigothic colonists. Goths before Great migration established kingdom in modern Ukraine where they lived side by side with steppe Iranics (mainly Alans).
Hajimurad
02-21-2020, 01:27 PM
Mitanni kingdom was based geographically in Kurdistan. They are also amongst our ancestors.
Indo-Aryans possess a different branch of R1a (L657).
samario
02-21-2020, 01:28 PM
Native Celts of Asturia aren't supposed to have R1a-Z93 so your ancestor could came from Visigothic colonists. Goths before Great migration established kingdom in modern Ukraine where they lived side by side with steppe Iranics (mainly Alans).
Makes a lot of sense to be honest.
Halgurd
02-21-2020, 01:33 PM
Indo-Aryans possess a different branch of R1a (L657).
From a genetic point of view maybe, but the Mitanni elite lived thousands of years ago. Their descendants are now within the modern day Kurdish population. Plus the Hurrian link with Kurds is already well proved. We have received influence from many different ancient peoples and not only a single population.
Indo-Aryans possess a different branch of R1a (L657).
Actually there is a Kurdish L657 (Indic) member in FTDNA project https://www.familytreedna.com/public/kurds?iframe=yresults
U2321 India R-L657 13 25 15 11 11-14 12 12 10 15 11 33 16 9-9 11 11 25 14 20 31 12-15-15-16 11 12 19-21
PaleoEuropean
02-21-2020, 01:55 PM
Possibly, but I'm sure the Medes, Parthians (and their Saka relatives), Mittani had a bigger contribution
Idk, almost the entire steppe was full of Iranianicized steppe people that emptied out westward, Azeri's are the last remnant of them in the east.
tipirneni
02-21-2020, 01:57 PM
If it is Mittani or Medes connection then the R1a clades in South Asia should match the Kurds. There is also possibility of many groups having these connections.
https://cache.eupedia.com/images/content/R1a-Z93-tree.png
Most in South Asia are L657 and Z2125
The Tajiks are far from being the most R1a. Also specify what kind of Tajiks. Afghan Tajiks are 25-30% R1a from what I've seen. Tajikistanis may be even less than that but sure at least 20%. The most R1a are the Pashtuns (40-50%) and the Kyrgyz (50-60%).
porpozontokonto
02-21-2020, 05:45 PM
The Tajiks are far from being the most R1a. Also specify what kind of Tajiks. Afghan Tajiks are 25-30% R1a from what I've seen. Tajikistanis may be even less than that but sure at least 20%. The most R1a are the Pashtuns (40-50%) and the Kyrgyz (50-60%).
and altaians
Yeah, the Altaians and Khakas are high in R1a too.
Obviously I'm not mentioning us Slavs.
Yeah, the Altaians and Khakas are high in R1a too.
Obviously I'm not mentioning us Slavs.
You bring up a good point with the slavs since R1a is pretty common with them. What subclades are they mostly?
You also got me thinking about the how much Kurds and slavs share in terms of DNA. There is a cousin of mine, a Kurmanji Kurdish guy from Iraq who gets decent E. European on some genetic tests. I think he even looks slavic but I'm not an expert on slavic phenotypes. Maybe I'll post a photo sometime to get your opinion.
You bring up a good point with the slavs since R1a is pretty common with them. What subclades are they mostly?
You also got me thinking about the how much Kurds and slavs share in terms of DNA. There is a cousin of mine, a Kurmanji Kurdish guy from Iraq who gets decent E. European on some genetic tests. I think he even looks slavic but I'm not an expert on slavic phenotypes. Maybe I'll post a photo sometime to get your opinion.
Slavs are almost always Z282, not Z93. I believe three main clades of the European R1a are Z280, Z284 and M458.
Kurds don't share much DNA with Slavs, I believe. Slavs don't have much Iranian (Plateau) ancestry and Kurds don't have much Steppe.
VigVagKesalt
02-21-2020, 07:23 PM
Slavs are almost always Z282, not Z93. I believe three main clades of the European R1a are Z280, Z284 and M458.
Kurds don't share much DNA with Slavs, I believe. Slavs don't have much Iranian (Plateau) ancestry and Kurds don't have much Steppe.
You know in the WHG - EEF (Middle Eastern neolithic farmers) spectrum every European has Middle Eastern admixture, right? Whether from Southern Italians having 90% to Swedes having 30%.
https://i.imgur.com/copXUmg.png
Slavs are almost always Z282, not Z93. I believe three main clades of the European R1a are Z280, Z284 and M458.
Kurds don't share much DNA with Slavs, I believe. Slavs don't have much Iranian (Plateau) ancestry and Kurds don't have much Steppe.
But the point is Kurds do have one of the highest steppe in the Middle East west of Pakistan and Afghanistan. Not only Ydna clades but also Mtdna. Check out I think it's KurdishDNA blog by Palisto. He details the breakdown of Kurdish Y and Mt dna and this other blog http://corduene.blogspot.com/2016/03/kurdish-tribes-y-dna-haplogroups.html
Admixture program is not reliable for these types of problems. Formal stats and IBD also showed that Kurds have pretty high steppe. I'll try to dig them up.
There also seems to be little geneflow to Kurds from Balkans
Halgurd
02-21-2020, 07:51 PM
There also seems to be little geneflow to Kurds from Balkans
Yeah I guess that explains my Y-DNA
Yeah I guess that explains my Y-DNA
What about you mt dna. I know some J clades are steppe just like my W mtdna
Halgurd
02-21-2020, 07:58 PM
What about you mt dna. I know some J clades are steppe just like my W mtdna
My mtdna is J1b3b which seems to be mainly in Kurdish regions. I only know of 1 other person with the same mtdna and he is a Kurd (Zaza I think) from Dersim. He runs the Corduene blog.
You bring up a good point with the slavs since R1a is pretty common with them. What subclades are they mostly?
You also got me thinking about the how much Kurds and slavs share in terms of DNA. There is a cousin of mine, a Kurmanji Kurdish guy from Iraq who gets decent E. European on some genetic tests. I think he even looks slavic but I'm not an expert on slavic phenotypes. Maybe I'll post a photo sometime to get your opinion.
E.European in Iranians, Kurds, Turks etc. is just EHG Steppe related. Not slav related.
My mtdna is J1b3b which seems to be mainly in Kurdish regions. I only know of 1 other person with the same mtdna and he is a Kurd (Zaza I think) from Dersim. He runs the Corduene blog.
If I were you I would check to see if your Mt parent clade is amongst the 100s of ancient iron and bronze age steppe samples
E.European in Iranians, Kurds, Turks etc. is just EHG Steppe related. Not slav related.
Yes I know it’s ultimately EHG related but the populations that brought it to Kurdistan didn’t do so in the Mesolithic. They did so after the bronze age in other words after Sintashta and Andronovo. Since slavs also got indo europeanized afterYamnaya then our common ancestor is most likely some bronze age population
BTW I should clarify that by steppe i mean indo european steppe and not some more ancient Mystery ANE Siberian population that contributed to Iranics before Neolithic
Im also not including Turkic Q steppe Ydna like what i have which would make me 100% steppe by haplogroups
I was able to dig up some IBD runs Dilawer from Eurasian DNA had done for me a while back. He explained that these were done using BEAGLE FASTIBD and were the most accurate ones out there because he had only used the most accurate high coverage ancients AND he was able to use 680K SNPs.
BEAGLE filters out all IBD segments that are common shared among different populations due to some very deep ancestry. Dilawer threw out any segments under 100 SNPs and only kept segments that are rare enough to have a threshold IBD score below 1E-10 and have come directly from the ancestral population. According to BEAGLE:
A fastIBD score < 10 -10 provides strong evidence that the shared haplotype is IBD if the length of the shared haplotype length is ≥ 1 cM
I found this run he had done for me using a high quality ANDRONOVO-MLBA sample. Goes to show why you can't rely on ADMIXTURE or PCA or G-25 to figure out direct ancestry. Notice how high Kurds are in the table compared to other West Asians.
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POPULATION
TOTAL IBD (avg)
Lithuanians
5,230.33
Karelians
4,899.33
Cossacks
4,688.50
Latvians
4,512.00
Tajik_Pamiri
4,507.00
Maris
4,168.50
Chuvashes
4,123.00
Saami
4,031.00
Belarusians
4,014.75
Ukrainians
3,967.14
Russians
3,959.00
Russians-Central
3,944.50
Kryashen-Tatars
3,772.33
KURDS-IRAQ-KURMANJI
3,767.00
Estonians
3,711.83
Tatars
3,449.67
Germans
3,377.67
Bashkirs
3,335.80
Tabasarans
3,325.67
Croats
3,161.50
Avars
3,147.67
Mansis
3,120.33
Moldavians
2,649.00
Turkmens
2,526.33
Circassians
2,417.00
Kumyks
2,347.67
Russians-North
2,150.50
North-Ossetians
2,096.50
Iranians
2,059.25
Lezgins
1,954.00
Albanians
1,939.67
Kazakhs
1,851.00
Kyrgyz_Tdj
1,775.00
Uzbek
1,745.67
Abkhazians
1,657.67
Cossacks_Kuban
1,624.50
Azerbaijanis
1,437.33
Iran_Zoroastrian
1,421.85
Tuvinians
1,402.50
Balkars
1,341.67
Orissa
1,313.00
Altaians
1,254.17
Ho
1,250.00
Jordanians
1,250.00
Assyrians
1,202.67
Tajiks
1,114.00
Armenians
1,090.00
Kyrgyz
995.00
Punjabis
992.00
Druze
878.67
Gupta
834.00
Sakha
772.00
Saudi-Arabians
754.00
Buryats
713.79
Marwadi
713.00
Uygurs
712.00
Chukchis
692.33
Arabs-Israel
666.00
Mongolians
633.00
Georgians
612.50
Santhal
564.00
Koryaks
540.33
Evenks
504.20
Yakuts
159.00
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Forgot to mention that this is what I was told why can't rely on Admixture, PCA or G-25 for actual direct ancestry from a specific population is because they cluster based total drift since the beginning of time. For example, if we look at 3 subjects on PCA or G-25
an Italian
a British
a half British half Ethiopian mulato
The British and Italian will cluster near each other or on G-25 have closer coordinates to each other than the Mulato to the British, even though the Mulato has 1 actual British parent because the British and Italian share a ton of very very old ancestry whereas the Mulato has 50% African ancestry which would place him further away from the European cluster even though 1 of his parents is actually British and the Italian doesn't have a British parent.
That's why PCA or G-25 is not accurate when it comes to more recent direct ancestry especially if we try to find steppe ancestry in Middle-Eastern populations that have alot of Basal Eurasian ancestry. The Basal Eurasian ancestry plots them further away from Andronovo than a European on PCA or G-25 since Europeans and Andronovo share more much older ancestry with each other (more WHG and EHG) than a Middle-Eastern and Andronovo (less WHG less EHG more Basal more SW Asian )
That's we have to do IBD using a reliable method or use some formal stats to figure out more recent direct ancestry. That's also why PCA and G-25 will change alot depending on what samples are in the run. Doesn't mean that IBD is 100% foolproof since it has little error margin but it's generally much more suitable for figuring out direct ancestry
I was able to dig up some IBD runs Dilawer from Eurasian DNA had done for me a while back. He explained that these were done using BEAGLE FASTIBD and were the most accurate ones out there because he had only used the most accurate high coverage ancients AND he was able to use 680K SNPs.
BEAGLE filters out all IBD segments that are common shared among different populations due to some very deep ancestry. Dilawer threw out any segments under 100 SNPs and only kept segments that are rare enough to have a threshold IBD score below 1E-10 and have come directly from the ancestral population. According to BEAGLE:
I found this run he had done for me using a high quality ANDRONOVO-MLBA sample. Goes to show why you can't rely on ADMIXTURE or PCA or G-25 to figure out direct ancestry. Notice how high Kurds are in the table compared to other West Asians.
<colgroup width="188"></colgroup> <colgroup width="128"></colgroup> <tbody>
POPULATION
TOTAL IBD (avg)
Lithuanians
5,230.33
Karelians
4,899.33
Cossacks
4,688.50
Latvians
4,512.00
Tajik_Pamiri
4,507.00
Maris
4,168.50
Chuvashes
4,123.00
Saami
4,031.00
Belarusians
4,014.75
Ukrainians
3,967.14
Russians
3,959.00
Russians-Central
3,944.50
Kryashen-Tatars
3,772.33
KURDS-IRAQ-KURMANJI
3,767.00
Estonians
3,711.83
Tatars
3,449.67
Germans
3,377.67
Bashkirs
3,335.80
Tabasarans
3,325.67
Croats
3,161.50
Avars
3,147.67
Mansis
3,120.33
Moldavians
2,649.00
Turkmens
2,526.33
Circassians
2,417.00
Kumyks
2,347.67
Russians-North
2,150.50
North-Ossetians
2,096.50
Iranians
2,059.25
Lezgins
1,954.00
Albanians
1,939.67
Kazakhs
1,851.00
Kyrgyz_Tdj
1,775.00
Uzbek
1,745.67
Abkhazians
1,657.67
Cossacks_Kuban
1,624.50
Azerbaijanis
1,437.33
Iran_Zoroastrian
1,421.85
Tuvinians
1,402.50
Balkars
1,341.67
Orissa
1,313.00
Altaians
1,254.17
Ho
1,250.00
Jordanians
1,250.00
Assyrians
1,202.67
Tajiks
1,114.00
Armenians
1,090.00
Kyrgyz
995.00
Punjabis
992.00
Druze
878.67
Gupta
834.00
Sakha
772.00
Saudi-Arabians
754.00
Buryats
713.79
Marwadi
713.00
Uygurs
712.00
Chukchis
692.33
Arabs-Israel
666.00
Mongolians
633.00
Georgians
612.50
Santhal
564.00
Koryaks
540.33
Evenks
504.20
Yakuts
159.00
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I also asked what about IBD on Gedmatch. The reply I got was that in order for IBD to be more accurate we have to first phase the samples DNA and then we have to be able to distinguish whether a segment you share with someone is a common segment that a quarter of the world has or is a more rare segment that only a few have. He doesn't believe that Gedmatch phases or distinguishes rare from common segments.
A little off topic. I also found these where I had paid Eurasian DNA to do IBD analysis for me to see how much IBD I shared with different populations using 680K SNPs.
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POPULATION
AVG IBD PER SAMPLE
Assyrians
2,538.33
Moldavians
1,989.00
Saudi-Arabians
1,988.00
North-Ossetians
1,586.00
Abkhazians
1,566.67
Georgians
1,446.00
Uygurs
1,385.00
Azerbaijanis
1,337.67
Tatars
1,301.33
Balkars
1,297.33
Armenians
1,296.67
Avars
1,252.33
Lezgins
1,164.00
Iran_Zoroastrian
1,081.30
Belarusians
1,065.75
Tajiks
1,006.00
Iranians
991.50
Ukrainians
985.57
Kumyks
969.67
Cossacks
960.50
Chuvashes
949.67
Karelians
935.33
Druze
926.00
Tajik-Tajikistan
878.50
Latvians
842.00
Albanians
835.00
Turkmens
825.33
Kshatriya
820.00
Jordanians
804.00
Maris
781.75
Croats
688.50
Saami
676.00
Tabasarans
669.67
Russians
662.00
Circassians
654.67
Kyrgyz_Tdj
587.33
Lithuanians
582.67
Estonians
475.50
Indian_South
411.00
Kyrgyz
390.00
Uzbek
375.67
Buryats
362.18
Kazakhs
269.00
Mansis
266.00
Bashkirs
245.60
Altaians
226.17
Indian_East
207.67
Punjab
158.00
Burmese
124.13
Yakuts
119.00
Evenks
98.85
Sakha
95.57
Sub_Saharan
88.67
Koryaks
66.19
Batak
59.67
Chukchis
56.20
Kosipe
55.00
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