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Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas
02-22-2020, 12:32 AM
Italian_Abruzzo,0.0099,0.0146526,-0.0001789,-0.0107632,0.0052368,-0.0045,0.0003316,-0.0009895,0.0018526,0.0114211,0.0003158,0.0024474,-0.0037895,-0.0028368,-0.0045316,-0.0011053,0.0014263,0.0002105,0.0026737,-0.0029526,-0.0030526,0.0010789,0.0007211,0.0014158,-0.0008053
Italian_Aosta_Valley,0.0113,0.0143,0.0103,0.0031,0 .0106,0.0015,0,0.00045,0.0031,0.00935,-0.00285,0.00275,-0.0075,-0.0034,0.00335,-2e-04,-0.00155,-0.00045,5e-04,5e-04,-0.0018,0.0035,4e-04,0.00255,-0.00185
Italian_Apulia,0.0097267,0.0146,-0.001,-0.0124267,0.0051467,-0.00542,-0.0004067,-7e-04,0.0013667,0.0113533,-0.00014,0.0025867,-0.0043533,0.0008667,-0.0059733,-0.00294,0.00128,0.0004733,0.0021867,-0.00412,-0.0030533,0.0015867,0.0014267,0.0011933,-0.0004733
Italian_Basilicata,0.0096,0.0144444,-0.0013222,-0.0125444,0.0043111,-0.0055,0.0004444,-0.0007222,0.0021222,0.0105556,0,0.0020222,-0.0047778,-0.0005667,-0.0066778,-0.0011889,0.0045111,-0.0002556,0.0026778,-0.0041,-0.0015111,0.0018111,0.0018667,0.0022333,0.0002889
Italian_Bergamo,0.01088,0.01484,0.00814,-0.00364,0.01176,-0.00096,0.00046,0.00074,0.00526,0.01518,-0.00086,0.00454,-0.00864,-0.00456,-0.00256,-0.00314,-0.00028,0.00052,0.0041,-0.00444,-0.00084,-2e-05,-0.0034,0.00314,8e-04
Italian_Calabria,0.0090333,0.0144,-0.0031667,-0.0144333,0.0040667,-0.0042,-0.0010333,-0.0013667,0.0022,0.0118,0.0002667,0.0018667,-0.0037,-7e-04,-0.0071,-0.0039667,0.0052333,0.0007667,0.0041,-0.0024333,-0.0021,-0.0019333,-0.0001333,0.0031333,1e-04
Italian_Campania,0.0094708,0.014575,-0.0023625,-0.0135042,0.0044667,-0.0057917,-0.0001917,-0.0009833,0.00205,0.0121833,0.0004833,0.0015583,-0.0034042,-0.0012417,-0.0048958,-0.0005917,0.0021292,-0.0002042,0.0020583,-0.0032208,-0.003275,0.0014958,0.0008583,0.0016333,0.0002417
Italian_Lazio,0.010075,0.015025,0.001775,-0.01085,0.006925,-0.00415,0.00105,0.000225,0.00335,0.012875,8e-04,0.0019,-0.00515,-0.00515,-0.00505,0.003125,-0.000175,-4e-04,0.00145,-0.00405,-0.0022,0.002725,-3e-04,-3e-04,-4e-04
Italian_Liguria,0.01,0.0144,0.0072,-0.0037,0.0095,-8e-04,0.001,5e-04,0.0047,0.0139,-0.006,0.0019,-0.0088,8e-04,-8e-04,-0.0094,-0.0051,-3e-04,0.003,6e-04,-2e-04,8e-04,0.0032,6e-04,5e-04
Italian_Lombardy,0.01094,0.01456,0.00742,-0.00426,0.01064,-0.00278,0.00028,0,0.00508,0.01642,-0.00154,0.00596,-0.00966,-0.00342,-0.00064,-0.00594,-0.0064,0.0014,0.00274,-0.00328,-0.0018,0.001,-0.00054,0.00254,7e-04
Italian_Marche,0.0103375,0.0145938,0.0022812,-0.0089938,0.0069438,-0.0037125,0.000275,-0.00135,0.003,0.0116938,-0.0003625,0.002925,-0.00575,-0.0012312,-0.0024188,-0.0017563,-0.0002937,0.0009938,0.0021438,-0.0026562,-0.000775,0.0019875,0.0005188,0.0030938,-0.0013938
Italian_Molise,0.0099,0.01445,0.00035,-0.01035,0.00505,-0.00475,0.0019,-0.0013,0.0011,0.01065,0.0023,0.00225,-0.00545,-0.00195,-0.00525,-0.00235,0.0039,0.00145,0.00185,-0.0064,-0.0011,0.00365,-0.00065,0.00295,1e-04
Italian_Northeast,0.0110357,0.0141357,0.0094429,0. 0005357,0.0115143,0.0007286,0.00135,0.0008857,0.00 33643,0.00875,-0.0014571,0.0031857,-0.0056429,-0.0002714,-0.0033714,0.0002714,0.0030857,7e-04,0.00305,-0.0020786,-0.0028286,0.00035,-0.0014571,0.0037929,3e-04
Italian_Piedmont,0.01066,0.01451,0.00554,-0.00452,0.00951,-0.00211,0.00121,7e-05,0.00365,0.01324,-0.00014,0.00424,-0.00665,-0.00328,-0.00116,-0.00204,0.00086,0.00071,0.00173,-0.00306,-0.00206,0.0015,-0.00195,0.00318,-0.00125
Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige,0.0109857,0.0143714,0.0091857,-0.0010857,0.0121,-0.0012143,0.0014286,0.0013,0.0055286,0.0131,-0.0018571,0.0033429,-0.0090429,-0.0020571,-0.0003857,-0.0014143,0.0004571,0.0013143,0.0034,-0.0024143,-0.0011429,0.0022714,-0.0004143,0.0005286,-0.0030714
Italian_Tuscany,0.01042,0.0146467,0.0036067,-0.0063467,0.0085,-0.0032467,-2e-04,-6e-04,0.0036667,0.0131133,-0.00014,0.00364,-0.00798,-0.00334,-0.0017533,-0.00022,0.0030933,0.00038,0.00306,-0.0019133,-0.0009667,0.0019933,-0.0008467,0.00322,-0.0013267
Italian_Umbria,0.0102889,0.0145222,0.0020667,-0.0086667,0.0065111,-0.0032889,-0.0003667,-0.0010444,0.0025556,0.0142222,-0.0002333,0.0036,-0.0068333,-0.0038667,-0.0018333,0.0004333,0.0053333,0.0004667,0.0008444,-0.0018667,-0.0027333,0.0006111,0.0002556,0.0025222,-0.0009111
Sicilian_East,0.0090667,0.0144333,-0.0019333,-0.0127333,0.0058,-0.0055,-0.0008333,3.33e-05,0.0037,0.0117,0.0045,0.0026,-0.0041333,0.0022667,-0.0043667,-0.0049,-0.0022,-9e-04,0.0035667,-0.0031,-3.33e-05,0.0021667,-0.0015333,0.0019,0.0003333
Sicilian_West,0.0088,0.0143333,-1e-04,-0.011,0.0063,-0.0035333,-0.0002667,0.0002333,0.0065333,0.0122333,0.0021,0.0 020667,-0.0015,0.0013667,-0.0016667,-0.0024,-0.0014333,-3.33e-05,-7e-04,-0.0049,0.0006667,0.0006667,-0.0026,-0.0029,2e-04
Italian_Veneto,0.0110375,0.0146,0.0080375,-0.0019062,0.0111375,-0.0001625,0.0008688,0.0008688,0.0049062,0.0126438,-0.001375,0.0036625,-0.0070875,-0.002775,-0.0019875,0.0007188,0.0026688,0.0015438,0.0022688,-0.0033812,-8e-04,0.0023125,-0.0001062,0.0010937,-0.0017938
Sardinian,0.0106,0.01654,0.00734,-0.01596,0.0196,-0.00806,-0.00148,0.00186,0.02088,0.04382,-0.00128,0.0106,-0.01818,-0.00958,-0.00974,-0.00348,0.00924,-0.00104,0.0014,-0.01034,-0.00408,-0.0034,-0.00788,-0.0175,7e-04


Simple model, just use unscaled coordinates and run distance command. Just to see to which Italian region other Europeans are closest to. I might do later a similar model for Iberian regions.

I get Lombardy as my closest match.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1a/Lombardy_in_Italy.svg/1200px-Lombardy_in_Italy.svg.png


Distance to: Viriato
0.01974036 Italian_Lombardy
0.02072655 Italian_Liguria
0.02310284 Italian_Bergamo
0.02319253 Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige
0.02476313 Italian_Aosta_Valley
0.02514755 Italian_Piedmont
0.02540413 Italian_Veneto
0.02743150 Sicilian_West
0.02781917 Italian_Tuscany
0.02798422 Italian_Marche
0.02811682 Italian_Northeast
0.02970375 Italian_Umbria
0.02971049 Italian_Lazio
0.03074563 Italian_Abruzzo
0.03188803 Sicilian_East
0.03228337 Italian_Apulia
0.03342844 Italian_Campania
0.03369629 Italian_Molise
0.03439701 Italian_Basilicata
0.03557192 Italian_Calabria

Rocinante
02-22-2020, 12:36 AM
0.02171477 Italian_Veneto
0.02214853 Italian_Umbria
0.02303961 Italian_Northeast
0.02314083 Italian_Tuscany
0.02358604 Italian_Piedmont
0.02395405 Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige
0.02422690 Italian_Aosta_Valley
0.02504572 Italian_Lazio
0.02511647 Italian_Bergamo
0.02648085 Italian_Marche
0.02696382 Italian_Abruzzo
0.02793704 Sicilian_West
0.02859959 Italian_Basilicata
0.02881267 Italian_Molise
0.02894480 Italian_Campania
0.02925245 Italian_Lombardy
0.02970135 Italian_Liguria
0.03003105 Italian_Apulia
0.03025982 Italian_Calabria
0.03262954 Sicilian_East
0.22241953 Sardinian

Distance: 2.0864% / 0.02086398
52.8 Italian_Umbria
24.0 Italian_Aosta_Valley
11.6 Italian_Veneto
11.2 Italian_Northeast
0.4 Sardinian

https://static.booking.weekendesk.fr/image_cache/A795000/795305/795305_640_360_FSImage_2_edit_venecia3.jpg

Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas
02-22-2020, 12:38 AM
If I forgot any region that I should have added please tell me. I was wondering if I should have added Swiss Italian and\or Sardianian too, per example.

Rocinante
02-22-2020, 12:39 AM
If I forgot any Italian region that I should have added please tell me.

Sardinia

Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas
02-22-2020, 12:40 AM
Sardinia

Added :)

PT Tagus
02-22-2020, 01:22 AM
Distance to: PT_Tagus

0.01862745 Italian_Lombardy
0.01883833 Italian_Aosta_Valley
0.01915228 Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige
0.02012306 Italian_Piedmont
0.02040101 Italian_Bergamo
0.02060719 Italian_Veneto
0.02087463 Italian_Liguria
0.02252125 Italian_Tuscany
0.02297920 Italian_Marche
0.02312514 Sicilian_West
0.02463182 Italian_Northeast
0.02528013 Italian_Umbria
0.02531616 Italian_Lazio
0.02726138 Italian_Abruzzo
0.02784060 Sicilian_East
0.02921301 Italian_Molise
0.02953035 Italian_Apulia
0.02996391 Italian_Campania
0.03114173 Italian_Basilicata
0.03300447 Italian_Calabria
0.05175923 Sardinian

dududud
02-22-2020, 05:42 AM
Mother:

0.18611453 Sardinian
0.19072905 Italian_Lombardy
0.19084840 Italian_Bergamo
0.19187297 Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige
0.19229844 Italian_Veneto
0.19274391 Italian_Piedmont
0.19283637 Italian_Liguria
0.19337979 Italian_Lazio
0.19340949 Italian_Tuscany
0.19364299 Italian_Northeast
0.19377182 Italian_Aosta_Valley
0.19392696 Italian_Marche
0.19424274 Italian_Umbria
0.19486706 Italian_Abruzzo
0.19499845 Italian_Apulia
0.19510118 Italian_Molise
0.19537175 Sicilian_West
0.19550442 Sicilian_East
0.19564480 Italian_Campania
0.19578640 Italian_Basilicata
0.19658769 Italian_Calabria


Me:

0.18229037 Italian_Bergamo
0.18231587 Italian_Lombardy
0.18268958 Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige
0.18333468 Italian_Aosta_Valley
0.18340856 Italian_Veneto
0.18356903 Sardinian
0.18381274 Italian_Liguria
0.18400149 Italian_Northeast
0.18423850 Italian_Piedmont
0.18528334 Italian_Tuscany
0.18616652 Italian_Marche
0.18661347 Italian_Umbria
0.18669620 Italian_Lazio
0.18793046 Italian_Abruzzo
0.18804744 Italian_Molise
0.18838875 Italian_Apulia
0.18842805 Sicilian_West
0.18867798 Sicilian_East
0.18919236 Italian_Basilicata
0.18927101 Italian_Campania
0.19005451 Italian_Calabria

RyoHazuki
02-22-2020, 05:45 AM
Closest to Aosta due to French admixture.

Distance:
0.03011665 Italian_Aosta_Valley
0.03626200 Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige
0.03670229 Italian_Lombardy
0.03702229 Italian_Liguria
0.03743979 Italian_Northeast
0.03858682 Italian_Veneto
0.03863767 Italian_Bergamo
0.03909260 Italian_Piedmont
0.04206498 Italian_Tuscany
0.04254271 Italian_Marche
0.04582923 Italian_Umbria
0.04588819 Sicilian_West
0.04652256 Italian_Lazio
0.04703836 Italian_Abruzzo
0.04782933 Sicilian_East
0.04840114 Italian_Molise
0.04956251 Italian_Apulia
0.05059888 Italian_Campania
0.05109097 Italian_Basilicata
0.05277955 Italian_Calabria
0.07727055 Sardinian

Saint-Glinglin
02-22-2020, 08:30 AM
Val d'Aoste, of course.

0.01965509 Italian_Aosta_Valley
0.02053743 Italian_Veneto
0.02104213 Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige
0.02299698 Italian_Northeast
0.02381578 Italian_Piedmont
0.02411944 Italian_Tuscany
0.02436369 Italian_Bergamo
0.02565521 Italian_Umbria
0.02824043 Italian_Lombardy
0.02916158 Italian_Marche
0.02977773 Italian_Lazio
0.03003781 Italian_Liguria
0.03166561 Italian_Abruzzo
0.03186785 Italian_Molise
0.03394708 Italian_Basilicata
0.03496363 Italian_Campania
0.03517174 Sicilian_West
0.03517765 Italian_Apulia
0.03699392 Italian_Calabria
0.03803970 Sicilian_East
0.05470282 Sardinian

Samnium
02-22-2020, 09:02 AM
I'm sure that the Swiss Italian average is someone with some East Med ancestry (maybe southern or central), because Swiss Italians being more southern than most of Northern Italy... Why it could be the case ? Swiss French and Germans are very northern shifted compared to that.

Rocinante
02-22-2020, 09:12 AM
I'm sure that the Swiss Italian average is someone with some East Med ancestry (maybe southern or central), because Swiss Italians being more southern than most of Northern Italy... Why it could be the case ? Swiss French and Germans are very northern shifted compared to that.

Target: Swiss_Italian
Distance: 1.7712% / 0.01771164
51.8 EEF
36.4 STEPPE
5.4 LEVANT
3.8 WHG
2.4 IRAN
0.2 CHG

Target: Swiss_French
Distance: 2.2606% / 0.02260603
51.4 EEF
39.2 STEPPE
9.4 WHG

Target: Swiss_German
Distance: 2.6326% / 0.02632592
47.2 EEF
43.0 STEPPE
9.8 WHG

The east med it's not that considerable in swiss italians, but they are more southern shifted, way more.

Samnium
02-22-2020, 09:31 AM
Target: Swiss_Italian
Distance: 1.7712% / 0.01771164
51.8 EEF
36.4 STEPPE
5.4 LEVANT
3.8 WHG
2.4 IRAN
0.2 CHG

Target: Swiss_French
Distance: 2.2606% / 0.02260603
51.4 EEF
39.2 STEPPE
9.4 WHG

Target: Swiss_German
Distance: 2.6326% / 0.02632592
47.2 EEF
43.0 STEPPE
9.8 WHG

The east med it's not that considerable in swiss italians, but they are more southern shifted, way more.

The Swiss Italian average plot with Ligurians, I don't think that the G25 sample is representative neither for Swiss Italians or Swiss French.

Saint-Glinglin
02-22-2020, 10:28 AM
I'm sure that the Swiss Italian average is someone with some East Med ancestry (maybe southern or central), because Swiss Italians being more southern than most of Northern Italy... Why it could be the case ? Swiss French and Germans are very northern shifted compared to that.

Here's the kit number of one Ticino individual (all four grand-parents from this canton) : T306192

With Mdlp K23 he scores :

Distance to: Tessin
7.19914578 Italian_North
7.92065654 Italian_Piedmont
9.05211577 Italian_Bergamo
9.48425010 Italian_Tuscan
10.89345216 Kosovar
11.96944443 Greek_Northwest
12.87191905 Spanish_Baleares_IBS
13.28121229 Greek_Thessaly
13.42639192 Albanian_Tirana
14.07128637 Greek_Peloponnesos
14.12848187 French
14.19415373 Portugese
14.24187839 Italian_Abruzzo
14.40700177 Greek_Thessaloniki
15.47283749 German-Volga
15.94098178 Spaniard
16.02163225 Bulgarian
16.34897550 Sicilian_Trapani
16.59172083 Central_Greek
16.86270441 Macedonian
16.89552308 Sicilian_West
17.11976051 Sicilian_Siracusa
17.33133867 Montenegrian
17.35224481 South_German
17.44800562 Ashkenazi

Still within the N Italian spectrum, but the influence of his 7.48 for the near eastern component can be seen.

Samnium
02-22-2020, 11:04 AM
Here's the kit number of one Ticino individual (all four grand-parents from this canton) : T306192

With Mdlp K23 he scores :

Distance to: Tessin
7.19914578 Italian_North
7.92065654 Italian_Piedmont
9.05211577 Italian_Bergamo
9.48425010 Italian_Tuscan
10.89345216 Kosovar
11.96944443 Greek_Northwest
12.87191905 Spanish_Baleares_IBS
13.28121229 Greek_Thessaly
13.42639192 Albanian_Tirana
14.07128637 Greek_Peloponnesos
14.12848187 French
14.19415373 Portugese
14.24187839 Italian_Abruzzo
14.40700177 Greek_Thessaloniki
15.47283749 German-Volga
15.94098178 Spaniard
16.02163225 Bulgarian
16.34897550 Sicilian_Trapani
16.59172083 Central_Greek
16.86270441 Macedonian
16.89552308 Sicilian_West
17.11976051 Sicilian_Siracusa
17.33133867 Montenegrian
17.35224481 South_German
17.44800562 Ashkenazi

Still within the N Italian spectrum, but the influence of his 7.48 for the near eastern component can be seen.

Yes definitely. Closer to Sicilians than to West Germans.

dududud
02-22-2020, 11:15 AM
Target: Swiss_Italian
Distance: 1.7712% / 0.01771164
51.8 EEF
36.4 STEPPE
5.4 LEVANT
3.8 WHG
2.4 IRAN
0.2 CHG

Target: Swiss_French
Distance: 2.2606% / 0.02260603
51.4 EEF
39.2 STEPPE
9.4 WHG

Target: Swiss_German
Distance: 2.6326% / 0.02632592
47.2 EEF
43.0 STEPPE
9.8 WHG

The east med it's not that considerable in swiss italians, but they are more southern shifted, way more.

What is the datasheet? Can you send me?

Jana
02-22-2020, 11:46 AM
Distance to: Feiichy

0.03083759 Italian_Northeast
0.03470888 Italian_Veneto
0.03589001 Italian_Aosta_Valley

Peterski
02-22-2020, 12:11 PM
Distance to: Feiichy

0.03083759 Italian_Northeast
0.03470888 Italian_Veneto

Yes, the Northeast & Veneto do have some minor Slavic admixture (despite what some users here often like to claim).

Although it is possible that the Slavic admixture was mediated indirectly from Austrians rather than directly from Slovenes.

Sappada and the Cimbri for example seem to be a bit Slavic-shifted as well. But it has to be from German Austrians, right?

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BTW the Bronze Age Dalmatians were closer to Bergamo than to Northeast/Veneto. because they did not have any Slavic DNA.

You are probably closer to modern Veneto and Northeast Italy, than to Bronze Age Croatia. You might want to check this in G25.

Pine
02-22-2020, 12:22 PM
used scaled*

Jana
02-22-2020, 04:00 PM
Yes, the Northeast & Veneto do have some minor Slavic admixture (despite what some users here often like to claim).

Although it is possible that the Slavic admixture was mediated indirectly from Austrians rather than directly from Slovenes.

Sappada and the Cimbri for example seem to be a bit Slavic-shifted as well. But it has to be from German Austrians, right?

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BTW the Bronze Age Dalmatians were closer to Bergamo than to Northeast/Veneto. because they did not have any Slavic DNA.

You are probably closer to modern Veneto and Northeast Italy, than to Bronze Age Croatia. You might want to check this in G25.

Yes, I am closer to modern NE Italians than to Bronze/Iron Age Dalmatians.

Distance to: Feiichy

0.03083759 Italian_Northeast
0.03470888 Italian_Veneto
0.03813542 HRV_MBA
0.04483403 HRV_EBA
0.04768690 HRV_IA

There was Slavic settlement in Friuli, up to Isonzo river.
Example:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavia_Friulana

Token
02-22-2020, 04:16 PM
Yes, the Northeast & Veneto do have some minor Slavic admixture (despite what some users here often like to claim).

Although it is possible that the Slavic admixture was mediated indirectly from Austrians rather than directly from Slovenes.

Sappada and the Cimbri for example seem to be a bit Slavic-shifted as well. But it has to be from German Austrians, right?

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BTW the Bronze Age Dalmatians were closer to Bergamo than to Northeast/Veneto. because they did not have any Slavic DNA.

You are probably closer to modern Veneto and Northeast Italy, than to Bronze Age Croatia. You might want to check this in G25.

It is Austrian and probably related to the same movement that brought Cimbrian and Sappada in.

mitalit
02-22-2020, 04:31 PM
Distance to: Xabier
0.02111261 Italian_Aosta_Valley
0.02359799 Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige
0.02414872 Italian_Veneto
0.02428109 Italian_Bergamo
0.02488324 Italian_Piedmont
0.02537485 Italian_Tuscany
0.02545411 Italian_Northeast
0.02602991 Italian_Lombardy
0.02669344 Italian_Liguria
0.02677494 Italian_Umbria
0.02944470 Italian_Marche
0.03074139 Italian_Lazio
0.03210372 Italian_Abruzzo
0.03375500 Italian_Molise
0.03428765 Sicilian_West
0.03448159 Italian_Basilicata
0.03467233 Italian_Campania
0.03515579 Italian_Apulia
0.03641607 Sicilian_East
0.03674552 Italian_Calabria
0.05357750 Sardinian


Target: Xabier
Distance: 1.9911% / 0.01991103
87.6 Italian_Aosta_Valley
12.4 Sardinian

Pubiczar
02-22-2020, 06:38 PM
Does anyone know what's the difference between scaled and unscaled?
Scaled gives me closest to North Italian populations by order while unscaled seems chaotic. It gives me North East the closest, probably because of a Slavic affinity in both me and North East Italians but then it jumps to Basilicata and South Italy???

Distanceto:
*****
0.02248555 Italian_Northeast
0.02339878 Italian_Basilicata
0.02462296 Italian_Molise
0.02475475 Italian_Apulia
0.02476666 Italian_Veneto
0.02492897 Italian_Abruzzo
0.02551204 Italian_Marche
0.02572072 Italian_Tuscany
0.02575870 Italian_Campania
0.02592649 Italian_Lazio
0.02606623 Italian_Umbria
0.02702087 Italian_Calabria
0.02719977 Italian_Piedmont
0.02749610 Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige
0.02912443 Sicilian_East
0.02929286 Sicilian_West
0.02962993 Italian_Aosta_Valley
0.03014583 Italian_Bergamo
0.03225368 Italian_Liguria
0.03406194 Italian_Lombardy

Coastal Elite
02-22-2020, 06:46 PM
Aosta Valley is always a great fit for me

Distance to: DacoCeltic
0.01327074 Italian_Aosta_Valley
0.01681461 Italian_Northeast
0.01837516 Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige
0.01893534 Italian_Veneto
0.02143706 Italian_Piedmont
0.02251065 Italian_Bergamo
0.02296476 Italian_Tuscany
0.02344888 Italian_Liguria
0.02423572 Italian_Lombardy
0.02510715 Italian_Marche
0.02642518 Italian_Umbria
0.02883954 Italian_Abruzzo
0.02913503 Italian_Molise
0.02933058 Italian_Lazio
0.03112437 Italian_Apulia
0.03117040 Italian_Basilicata
0.03259371 Sicilian_West
0.03268934 Italian_Campania
0.03309094 Sicilian_East
0.03427296 Italian_Calabria
0.06481517 Sardinian

Target: DacoCeltic
Distance: 1.3235% / 0.01323528
91.4 Italian_Aosta_Valley
8.6 Italian_Northeast

Target: DacoCeltic
Distance: 1.3238% / 0.01323796 | ADC: 0.25x
93.8 Italian_Aosta_Valley
6.2 Italian_Northeast

Target: DacoCeltic
Distance: 1.3271% / 0.01327074 | ADC: 0.5x
100.0 Italian_Aosta_Valley

Freeroostah
02-22-2020, 07:00 PM
Wherever Greeks had presence lol

https://i.imgur.com/Vt4hASj.png

https://i.imgur.com/JQPywmR.png

Vid Flumina
02-22-2020, 07:31 PM
Does anyone know what's the difference between scaled and unscaled?
Scaled gives me closest to North Italian populations by order while unscaled seems chaotic. It gives me North East the closest, probably because of a Slavic affinity in both me and North East Italians but then it jumps to Basilicata and South Italy???


https://anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?14849-Automated-Global25-nMonte-entirely-from-the-web&p=484436&viewfull=1#post484436

https://anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?15748-A-little-G25-K7-based-quot-calculator-quot-for-Europeans-only&p=516400&viewfull=1#post516400

RyoHazuki
02-22-2020, 09:15 PM
I'm sure that the Swiss Italian average is someone with some East Med ancestry (maybe southern or central), because Swiss Italians being more southern than most of Northern Italy... Why it could be the case ? Swiss French and Germans are very northern shifted compared to that.

Yes I notice some G25 coordinates are not very accurate to the likely true average

firemonkey
02-22-2020, 10:58 PM
Distance to: Tim_G_father
0.03179454 Italian_Aosta_Valley
0.03846376 Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige
0.03935880 Italian_Northeast
0.04034898 Italian_Liguria
0.04051008 Italian_Veneto
0.04057566 Italian_Lombardy
0.04170148 Italian_Piedmont
0.04180186 Italian_Bergamo
0.04423190 Italian_Tuscany
0.04505461 Italian_Marche
0.04792730 Italian_Umbria
0.04800460 Sicilian_West
0.04880065 Italian_Lazio
0.04961783 Italian_Abruzzo
0.05041601 Sicilian_East
0.05066468 Italian_Molise
0.05208185 Italian_Apulia
0.05291233 Italian_Campania
0.05326129 Italian_Basilicata
0.05553441 Italian_Calabria
0.07983355 Sardinian


Distance to: Tim_G
0.03106288 Italian_Aosta_Valley
0.03820300 Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige
0.03881302 Italian_Northeast
0.03987870 Italian_Veneto
0.04044522 Italian_Lombardy
0.04131415 Italian_Bergamo
0.04137194 Italian_Piedmont
0.04154877 Italian_Liguria
0.04402809 Italian_Tuscany
0.04522180 Italian_Marche
0.04750206 Italian_Umbria
0.04823415 Italian_Lazio
0.04884488 Sicilian_West
0.04947343 Italian_Abruzzo
0.05062391 Italian_Molise
0.05158754 Sicilian_East
0.05240485 Italian_Apulia
0.05305189 Italian_Campania
0.05346719 Italian_Basilicata
0.05592725 Italian_Calabria
0.07922583 Sardinian

Distance to: Tim_Mother_test
0.03360658 Italian_Aosta_Valley
0.04062282 Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige
0.04092561 Italian_Northeast
0.04183637 Italian_Veneto
0.04285135 Italian_Lombardy
0.04333033 Italian_Bergamo
0.04353334 Italian_Piedmont
0.04511751 Italian_Liguria
0.04616575 Italian_Tuscany
0.04765393 Italian_Marche
0.04926392 Italian_Umbria
0.04982176 Italian_Lazio
0.05142261 Italian_Abruzzo
0.05175190 Sicilian_West
0.05262233 Italian_Molise
0.05468903 Italian_Apulia
0.05469489 Sicilian_East
0.05513786 Italian_Campania
0.05560164 Italian_Basilicata
0.05816546 Italian_Calabria
0.07994960 Sardinian

FilhoV
02-22-2020, 11:06 PM
Target: FilhoV
Distance: 1.2245% / 0.01224481
55.8 Italian_Aosta_Valley
19.4 Sardinian
11.0 Italian_Lombardy
7.4 Sicilian_West
5.6 Italian_Liguria
0.8 Sicilian_East

Distance to: FilhoV
0.01500284 Italian_Bergamo
0.01550745 Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige
0.01572673 Italian_Lombardy
0.01616123 Italian_Piedmont
0.01692505 Italian_Veneto
0.01766350 Italian_Tuscany
0.01855593 Italian_Aosta_Valley
0.01857983 Italian_Liguria
0.02012580 Italian_Umbria
0.02026985 Italian_Marche
0.02111550 Italian_Northeast
0.02220057 Sicilian_West
0.02251029 Italian_Lazio
0.02372685 Italian_Abruzzo
0.02469534 Italian_Molise
0.02497425 Sicilian_East
0.02573932 Italian_Apulia
0.02655744 Italian_Campania
0.02664807 Italian_Basilicata
0.02809678 Italian_Calabria

Abdelnour
02-22-2020, 11:19 PM
Target: Unscaled
Distance: 2.9137% / 0.02913687
100.0 Italian_Campania

Distance to: Unscaled
0.02913687 Italian_Campania
0.03044255 Italian_Basilicata
0.03081440 Italian_Calabria
0.03169712 Italian_Abruzzo
0.03224524 Italian_Apulia
0.03268131 Italian_Lazio
0.03283404 Sicilian_West
0.03312989 Sicilian_East
0.03352790 Italian_Molise
0.03551736 Italian_Umbria
0.03563515 Italian_Marche
0.03836614 Italian_Tuscany
0.04141108 Italian_Piedmont
0.04340587 Italian_Veneto
0.04514409 Italian_Northeast
0.04606473 Italian_Bergamo
0.04621561 Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige
0.04752221 Italian_Liguria
0.04765971 Italian_Lombardy
0.04802970 Italian_Aosta_Valley
0.06963982 Sardinian

JohnnyP
02-22-2020, 11:22 PM
Distance to: JohnnyP
0.02441346 Italian_Northeast
0.02865045 Italian_Veneto
0.02958336 Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige
0.03009207 Italian_Aosta_Valley
0.03123270 Italian_Piedmont
0.03126749 Italian_Tuscany
0.03129682 Italian_Basilicata
0.03131929 Italian_Marche
0.03137107 Italian_Apulia
0.03158935 Italian_Abruzzo
0.03209323 Italian_Umbria
0.03223337 Italian_Molise
0.03235645 Italian_Liguria
0.03338003 Italian_Calabria
0.03351717 Italian_Campania
0.03396562 Italian_Bergamo
0.03399703 Italian_Lazio
0.03465956 Sicilian_West
0.03513913 Sicilian_East
0.03705736 Italian_Lombardy
0.06768113 Sardinian

Target: JohnnyP
Distance: 2.4388% / 0.02438775
94.6 Italian_Northeast
5.4 Italian_Basilicata

Pine
02-23-2020, 12:07 AM
Target: Unscaled
Distance: 2.9137% / 0.02913687
100.0 Italian_Campania

Distance to: Unscaled
0.02913687 Italian_Campania
0.03044255 Italian_Basilicata
0.03081440 Italian_Calabria
0.03169712 Italian_Abruzzo
0.03224524 Italian_Apulia
0.03268131 Italian_Lazio
0.03283404 Sicilian_West
0.03312989 Sicilian_East
0.03352790 Italian_Molise
0.03551736 Italian_Umbria
0.03563515 Italian_Marche
0.03836614 Italian_Tuscany
0.04141108 Italian_Piedmont
0.04340587 Italian_Veneto
0.04514409 Italian_Northeast
0.04606473 Italian_Bergamo
0.04621561 Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige
0.04752221 Italian_Liguria
0.04765971 Italian_Lombardy
0.04802970 Italian_Aosta_Valley
0.06963982 Sardinian

I also get Campania first. It's time to reclaim it for the Levant.

Abdelnour
02-23-2020, 12:55 AM
I also get Campania first. It's time to reclaim it for the Levant.

I agree!

Gondor
02-23-2020, 01:15 AM
Distance to:
0.01354490 Italian_Marche
0.01405589 Italian_Lazio
0.01432875 Italian_Tuscany
0.01444664 Italian_Abruzzo
0.01496940 Italian_Umbria
0.01592026 Italian_Campania
0.01642176 Italian_Apulia
0.01669645 Italian_Piedmont
0.01674803 Italian_Basilicata
0.01820027 Italian_Molise
0.01830889 Sicilian_East
0.01839325 Italian_Calabria
0.01866898 Italian_Veneto
0.01938628 Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige
0.01976694 Italian_Lombardy
0.01983460 Italian_Bergamo
0.02028089 Sicilian_West
0.02096855 Italian_Liguria
0.02105293 Italian_Northeast
0.02323193 Italian_Aosta_Valley
0.05230908 Sardinian

Distance: 1.2962% / 0.01296157
46.0 Italian_Lazio
27.0 Italian_Marche
14.2 Italian_Tuscany
9.4 Italian_Liguria
3.4 Italian_Calabria

someonenotyou
02-23-2020, 08:43 PM
76.8 Italian_Northeast
23.2 Italian_Aosta_Valley

0.02012409 Italian_Northeast
0.02176723 Italian_Aosta_Valley
0.02546207 Italian_Veneto
0.02600964 Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige
0.02745056 Italian_Piedmont
0.02818333 Italian_Liguria
0.02837836 Italian_Bergamo
0.02964404 Italian_Tuscany
0.02999418 Italian_Marche
0.03057528 Italian_Lombardy
0.03205595 Italian_Umbria
0.03251635 Italian_Abruzzo
0.03307063 Sicilian_West
0.03334831 Italian_Molise
0.03346137 Italian_Lazio
0.03431526 Italian_Apulia
0.03460613 Italian_Basilicata
0.03484059 Sicilian_East
0.03565573 Italian_Campania
0.03658022 Italian_Calabria
0.07029179 Sardinian

celticdragongod
02-23-2020, 08:48 PM
Distance to: CDG
0.02809915 Italian_Aosta_Valley
0.03492671 Italian_Northeast
0.03539125 Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige
0.03714324 Italian_Liguria
0.03717275 Italian_Veneto
0.03772045 Italian_Lombardy
0.03849040 Italian_Bergamo
0.03865514 Italian_Piedmont
0.04087301 Italian_Tuscany
0.04242818 Italian_Marche
0.04436321 Italian_Umbria
0.04642400 Italian_Lazio
0.04652774 Italian_Abruzzo
0.04786711 Italian_Molise
0.04833338 Sicilian_West
0.04904237 Sicilian_East
0.04923927 Italian_Apulia
0.04988535 Italian_Basilicata
0.05017287 Italian_Campania
0.05218676 Italian_Calabria
0.07863020 Sardinian

Target: CDG
Distance: 2.8099% / 0.02809915 | ADC: 2x
100.0 Italian_Aosta_Valley

Target: CDG
Distance: 2.8099% / 0.02809915 | ADC: 1x
100.0 Italian_Aosta_Valley

Target: CDG
Distance: 2.8099% / 0.02809915 | ADC: 0.5x
100.0 Italian_Aosta_Valley

Target: CDG
Distance: 2.8099% / 0.02809915 | ADC: 0.25x
100.0 Italian_Aosta_Valley

Target: CDG
Distance: 2.8099% / 0.02809915
100.0 Italian_Aosta_Valley

Art23
02-23-2020, 08:58 PM
Since 23andme gives me a little bit Italian, here we go: I am surprised Aosta Valley is closer than other northern Italian regions.

0.04172514 Italian_Northeast
0.04527320 Italian_Aosta_Valley
0.04693033 Italian_Veneto
0.04872586 Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige
0.05032953 Italian_Piedmont
0.05101108 Italian_Tuscany
0.05152560 Italian_Marche
0.05154849 Italian_Umbria
0.05182640 Italian_Abruzzo
0.05186473 Italian_Basilicata
0.05213358 Italian_Molise
0.05248343 Italian_Liguria
0.05272054 Italian_Apulia
0.05274096 Italian_Bergamo
0.05276252 Italian_Lazio
0.05343177 Sicilian_West
0.05371419 Italian_Campania
0.05443880 Italian_Calabria
0.05575082 Sicilian_East
0.05640807 Italian_Lombardy
0.08670990 Sardinian

Adamm
02-23-2020, 09:04 PM
Distance to: Adam
0.06403979 Sicilian_West
0.06721175 Italian_Campania
0.06820675 Italian_Calabria
0.06827225 Italian_Abruzzo
0.06843256 Italian_Umbria
0.06861159 Italian_Apulia
0.06868164 Italian_Lazio
0.06886606 Sicilian_East
0.06892278 Italian_Basilicata
0.06944010 Italian_Marche
0.07060510 Italian_Liguria
0.07086624 Italian_Piedmont
0.07099745 Italian_Tuscany
0.07131928 Italian_Molise
0.07180312 Italian_Lombardy
0.07245673 Italian_Veneto
0.07267772 Italian_Bergamo
0.07334174 Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige
0.07376369 Italian_Aosta_Valley
0.07405336 Italian_Northeast
0.07783927 Sardinian

I'm an African so its logical that the distance is too high.

Pedro Ruben
02-23-2020, 09:08 PM
Target: Pedro
Distance: 1.7164% / 0.01716358

41.0 Italian_Aosta_Valley
31.0 Italian_Lombardy
27.4 Italian_Liguria
0.6 Sardinian

Grace O'Malley
02-23-2020, 09:38 PM
Because someone had a Spanish regions distance I've added that as well and I'm much closer to the Italian regions than the Spanish ones. That's a bit unexpected for me. One is scaled and one is unscaled I think unscaled makes the distances closer.

https://i.imgur.com/8DQ8aOq.png

https://i.imgur.com/iZMATjH.png

Token
02-23-2020, 09:41 PM
Because someone had a Spanish regions distance I've added that as well and I'm much closer to the Italian regions than the Spanish ones. That's a bit unexpected for me.

https://i.imgur.com/8DQ8aOq.png

https://i.imgur.com/iZMATjH.png

You used the wrong coordinates for Spaniards.

Token
02-23-2020, 09:44 PM
Target: Pedro
Distance: 1.7164% / 0.01716358

41.0 Italian_Aosta_Valley
31.0 Italian_Lombardy
27.4 Italian_Liguria
0.6 Sardinian

What do you get when you model yourself with the G25 Portuguese average and Italian_Lombardy?

Grace O'Malley
02-23-2020, 09:48 PM
You used the wrong coordinates for Spaniards.

No I didn't. The Spanish calc that someone did was scaled. I'm going to try Spanish regions with unscaled.

Unscaled gives much closer distances. Should people be using unscaled for these models over scaled?

https://i.imgur.com/WmCmesF.png

JamesBond007
02-23-2020, 09:49 PM
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/07/Aosta_Valley_in_Italy.svg/1200px-Aosta_Valley_in_Italy.svg.png

Distance to: Kevin
0.03281467 Italian_Aosta_Valley
0.03692743 Italian_Northeast
0.03836526 Italian_Veneto
0.03855112 Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige
0.04137979 Italian_Bergamo
0.04148963 Italian_Piedmont
0.04188679 Italian_Tuscany
0.04452505 Italian_Lombardy
0.04464929 Italian_Umbria
0.04562444 Italian_Marche
0.04582510 Italian_Liguria
0.04701615 Italian_Lazio
0.04872763 talian_Abruzzo
0.04912087 Italian_Molise
0.05120064 Italian_Basilicata
0.05201202 Italian_Campania
0.05202647 Sicilian_West
0.05236037 Italian_Apulia
0.05382763 Sicilian_East
0.05405658 Italian_Calabria
0.07714402 Sardinian

Target: Kevin
Distance: 3.2815% / 0.03281467
100.0 Italian_Aosta_Valley

Token
02-23-2020, 09:51 PM
No I didn't. The Spanish calc that someone did was scaled. I'm going to try Spanish regions with unscaled.

Unscaled gives much closer distances. Should people be using unscaled for these models?
I'm 100% sure you used the wrong coordinates, check again.

Grace O'Malley
02-23-2020, 09:58 PM
I'm 100% sure you used the wrong coordinates, check again.

I didn't. Just tried it again with scaled. Scaled gives much larger distances.

This is scaled result for Spanish

https://i.imgur.com/iZMATjH.png

Scaled result for Italian.

https://i.imgur.com/Ee47ZlH.png

Token
02-23-2020, 10:05 PM
I didn't. Just tried it again with scaled. Scaled gives much larger distances.

This is scaled result for Spanish

https://i.imgur.com/iZMATjH.png

Scaled result for Italian.

https://i.imgur.com/Ee47ZlH.png

So you used the wrong coordinates for Italians. You can't mix scaled with unscaled. You are closer ro Spaniards than to most Italians.

Grace O'Malley
02-24-2020, 07:16 AM
So you used the wrong coordinates for Italians. You can't mix scaled with unscaled. You are closer ro Spaniards than to most Italians.

No I didn't use the wrong coordinates. As I've explained one of the calculators was scaled (Spanish regions) the other one was unscaled (Italian regions). I used the correct coordinates for both calculators. The problem was the distances. There was large distances to the Spanish regions and the Italian regions were much closer. I thought that was odd but then I realised one was using scaled and one unscaled. The unscaled distances are much closer. Unscaled gives you much closer distances. You've just misunderstood. I'm actually closer to Italian_Aosta_Valley with both scaled and unscaled then the next closest is Spanish_Penedes.

Far_away
10-10-2023, 05:58 AM
0.02338551 Italian_Northeast
0.02769855 Italian_Veneto
0.03010282 Italian_Umbria
0.03018937 Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige
0.03034667 Italian_Tuscany
0.03050184 Italian_Aosta_Valley
0.03058332 Italian_Piedmont
0.03107671 Italian_Basilicata
0.03111704 Italian_Abruzzo
0.03185467 Italian_Molise
0.03195902 Italian_Marche
0.03227111 Italian_Apulia
0.03263139 Italian_Calabria
0.03266509 Italian_Lazio
0.03276460 Italian_Bergamo
0.03332692 Italian_Campania
0.03523746 Sicilian_West
0.03560000 Italian_Liguria
0.03671321 Sicilian_East
0.03785784 Italian_Lombardy
0.06474386 Sardinian

paradox
10-10-2023, 06:39 AM
Distance to: paradox_unscaled
0.01964417 Italian_Apulia
0.01976092 Italian_Basilicata
0.02052580 Italian_Abruzzo
0.02060438 Italian_Northeast
0.02077667 Italian_Molise
0.02106517 Italian_Campania
0.02161686 Italian_Marche
0.02192500 Sicilian_West
0.02239259 Italian_Lazio
0.02253472 Italian_Calabria
0.02316277 Sicilian_East
0.02349256 Italian_Umbria
0.02353857 Italian_Veneto
0.02377534 Italian_Tuscany
0.02391467 Italian_Piedmont
0.02628568 Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige
0.02729160 Italian_Bergamo
0.02767223 Italian_Aosta_Valley
0.02797570 Italian_Liguria
0.02992437 Italian_Lombardy
0.06210858 Sardinian

Distance to: Father_unscaled
0.02356111 Italian_Northeast
0.02736271 Italian_Marche
0.02745323 Italian_Liguria
0.02745945 Italian_Apulia
0.02777476 Italian_Piedmont
0.02777661 Italian_Veneto
0.02812259 Italian_Abruzzo
0.02833702 Sicilian_West
0.02842728 Italian_Molise
0.02851688 Italian_Aosta_Valley
0.02859172 Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige
0.02892223 Italian_Bergamo
0.02893568 Sicilian_East
0.02916251 Italian_Lombardy
0.02927392 Italian_Basilicata
0.02957242 Italian_Lazio
0.02993625 Italian_Campania
0.03007760 Italian_Tuscany
0.03155946 Italian_Calabria
0.03165303 Italian_Umbria
0.06676679 Sardinian

Figaro
10-10-2023, 06:52 AM
Distance to: CordedFather
0.02401505 Italian_Aosta_Valley
0.02778592 Italian_Northeast
0.03122701 Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige
0.03215312 Italian_Veneto
0.03353834 Italian_Liguria
0.03392008 Italian_Piedmont
0.03444345 Italian_Bergamo
0.03492627 Italian_Lombardy
0.03627985 Italian_Tuscany
0.03715792 Italian_Marche
0.03976318 Italian_Umbria
0.04136424 Italian_Abruzzo
0.04151996 Sicilian_West
0.04156264 Italian_Lazio
0.04205734 Italian_Molise
0.04283200 Sicilian_East
0.04323252 Italian_Apulia
0.04397558 Italian_Basilicata
0.04448787 Italian_Campania
0.04642240 Italian_Calabria
0.07653028 Sardinian

Distance to: CordedMother
0.02758103 Italian_Northeast
0.02829068 Italian_Aosta_Valley
0.03348197 Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige
0.03351366 Italian_Veneto
0.03596026 Italian_Liguria
0.03598102 Italian_Piedmont
0.03719112 Italian_Bergamo
0.03841933 Italian_Tuscany
0.03898789 Italian_Marche
0.03961823 Italian_Lombardy
0.04078178 Italian_Umbria
0.04094977 Italian_Abruzzo
0.04126056 Sicilian_West
0.04166489 Italian_Lazio
0.04201869 Italian_Molise
0.04259651 Italian_Apulia
0.04308428 Italian_Basilicata
0.04352783 Sicilian_East
0.04392948 Italian_Campania
0.04520943 Italian_Calabria
0.07651384 Sardinian

DomitiusAurelian
10-10-2023, 08:08 AM
Target: Domitius
Distance: 2.4487% / 0.02448698
100.0 Italian_Basilicata

Distance to: Domitius
0.02448698 Italian_Basilicata
0.02502407 Italian_Campania
0.02560762 Italian_Molise
0.02572396 Italian_Apulia
0.02578183 Italian_Abruzzo
0.02578412 Italian_Calabria
0.02873678 Sicilian_East
0.02890533 Italian_Lazio
0.02949481 Italian_Marche
0.02996283 Italian_Umbria
0.03104264 Sicilian_West
0.03202513 Italian_Tuscany
0.03408773 Italian_Piedmont
0.03649544 Italian_Northeast
0.03676280 Italian_Veneto
0.03877679 Italian_Bergamo
0.03887114 Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige
0.03953960 Italian_Liguria
0.03968895 Italian_Aosta_Valley
0.04015465 Italian_Lombardy
0.07047839 Sardinian

noricum
10-10-2023, 05:24 PM
Target: G25unoricum
Distance: 2.7870% / 0.02787034
72.0 Italian_Northeast
28.0 Italian_Aosta_Valley

Distance to: G25unoricum
0.02804956 Italian_Northeast
0.02904449 Italian_Aosta_Valley
0.03188475 Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige
0.03238796 Italian_Liguria
0.03260060 Italian_Veneto
0.03463529 Italian_Piedmont
0.03467378 Italian_Bergamo
0.03503347 Italian_Lombardy
0.03717776 Italian_Marche
0.03800365 Italian_Tuscany
0.03839810 Sicilian_West
0.03969525 Italian_Abruzzo
0.04017910 Italian_Molise
0.04020189 Italian_Apulia
0.04037974 Italian_Lazio
0.04080277 Sicilian_East
0.04084252 Italian_Umbria
0.04190431 Italian_Basilicata
0.04262014 Italian_Campania
0.04425749 Italian_Calabria
0.07265849 Sardinian

Beowulf
10-10-2023, 05:59 PM
Distance to: Beowulf_Unscaled
0.00960292 Italian_Aosta_Valley
0.01113742 Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige
0.01264999 Italian_Veneto
0.01350448 Italian_Bergamo
0.01427858 Italian_Piedmont
0.01466621 Italian_Lombardy
0.01487509 Italian_Northeast
0.01708583 Italian_Liguria
0.01728664 Italian_Tuscany
0.01994630 Italian_Marche
0.02067178 Italian_Umbria
0.02273363 Italian_Lazio
0.02345384 Sicilian_West
0.02426341 Italian_Abruzzo
0.02575296 Italian_Molise
0.02716810 Italian_Apulia
0.02724429 Sicilian_East
0.02787341 Italian_Campania
0.02798524 Italian_Basilicata
0.03026388 Italian_Calabria
0.05198857 Sardinian

Ahmet
10-10-2023, 06:13 PM
Target: Ahmet
Distance: 2.8591% / 0.02859060
43.6 Italian_Calabria
34.2 Italian_Molise
22.2 Sicilian_East

Distance to: Ahmet
0.02909118 Italian_Calabria
0.02911106 Italian_Basilicata
0.02924107 Italian_Molise
0.02963836 Sicilian_East
0.02976904 Italian_Apulia
0.02984520 Italian_Campania
0.03113780 Italian_Abruzzo
0.03261434 Sicilian_West
0.03325482 Italian_Marche
0.03479027 Italian_Lazio
0.03513431 Italian_Umbria
0.03649836 Italian_Tuscany
0.03783485 Italian_Piedmont
0.04032156 Italian_Northeast
0.04116224 Italian_Liguria
0.04117867 Italian_Veneto
0.04168061 Italian_Bergamo
0.04275696 Italian_Lombardy
0.04313816 Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige
0.04394625 Italian_Aosta_Valley
0.07404584 Sardinian

gixajo
10-10-2023, 07:01 PM
Target: gixajo
Distance: 1.6646% / 0.01664646
78.4 Italian_Aosta_Valley
21.6 Sardinian

Distance to: gixajo
0.02057363 Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige
0.02065847 Italian_Aosta_Valley
0.02275893 Italian_Veneto
0.02319987 Italian_Lombardy
0.02370926 Italian_Bergamo

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Target: gixajo_dad
Distance: 1.3139% / 0.01313907
65.4 Italian_Aosta_Valley
28.4 Sardinian
6.2 Italian_Lombardy

Distance to: gixajo_dad
0.01830814 Italian_Lombardy
0.01859909 Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige
0.01922122 Italian_Bergamo
0.01986664 Italian_Piedmont
0.02030276 Italian_Veneto

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Target: gixajo_mom
Distance: 2.2259% / 0.02225947
53.8 Italian_Aosta_Valley
34.6 Italian_Lombardy
11.6 Sardinian

Distance to: gixajo_mom
0.02360703 Italian_Lombardy
0.02487152 Italian_Aosta_Valley
0.02558021 Italian_Bergamo
0.02575529 Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige
0.02726720 Italian_Liguria

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Target: gixajo_enana
Distance: 2.3916% / 0.02391641
69.0 Italian_Aosta_Valley
31.0 Sardinian

Distance to: gixajo_enana
0.02796043 Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige
0.02830280 Italian_Veneto
0.02967293 Italian_Aosta_Valley
0.03063311 Italian_Bergamo
0.03129923 Italian_Piedmont

vader
10-13-2023, 01:23 AM
Distance to: Luso_unscaled
0.02081528 Italian_Lombardy
0.02138925 Italian_Liguria
0.02327924 Italian_Bergamo
0.02343748 Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige
0.02540452 Italian_Piedmont
0.02564337 Italian_Aosta_Valley
0.02605569 Italian_Veneto
0.02785768 Sicilian_West
0.02797226 Italian_Tuscany
0.02825966 Italian_Marche
0.02924127 Italian_Northeast
0.03077419 Italian_Umbria
0.03117600 Italian_Lazio
0.03128880 Sicilian_East
0.03210885 Italian_Abruzzo
0.03311389 Italian_Molise
0.03343113 Italian_Apulia
0.03473233 Italian_Campania
0.03502368 Italian_Basilicata
0.03611129 Italian_Calabria
0.04963559 Sardinian

tipirneni
10-13-2023, 02:54 AM
Distance to: tipirneni:dante
0.07994634 Italian_Basilicata:PG21
0.08020237 Italian_Abruzzo:Alp140
0.08036578 Italian_Abruzzo:Alp162
0.08049346 Sicilian_West
0.08112049 Italian_Umbria:PG775
0.08120914 Italian_Campania:ITS4
0.08126041 Italian_Marche:MarACV100D
0.08130631 Italian_Calabria:BEL57
0.08139495 Italian_Campania:CMP_b003_2
0.08147176 Italian_Campania:ITS2
0.08150148 Italian_Piedmont:ItalyPiedmont127
0.08152579 Italian_Campania:NaN119AMR
0.08152703 Italian_Abruzzo:Alp380
0.08153966 Italian_Veneto:ALP249
0.08156773 Italian_Tuscany:Tuscany74
0.08158656 Italian_Abruzzo:ItalyAbruzzo19
0.08159918 Italian_Veneto:ALP322
0.08165828 Italian_Piedmont:Piedmont154
0.08178280 Italian_Tuscany:NA20508
0.08178693 Italian_Campania:NaN46TC
0.08181717 Italian_Abruzzo
0.08185672 Italian_Aosta_Valley
0.08185757 Italian_Northeast:ALP233
0.08186374 Italian_Calabria
0.08187529 Italian_Emilia:ALP211


Target: tipirneni:dante
Distance: 7.9059% / 0.07905939
52.0 Italian_Basilicata
21.8 Italian_Veneto
14.8 Italian_Campania
5.8 Italian_Abruzzo
5.6 Italian_Aosta_Valley

Rafael Passoni
10-13-2023, 03:23 AM
Distance to: caesarsalad
0.01759226 Italian_Tuscany
0.01849741 Italian_Umbria
0.01933581 Italian_Piedmont
0.01943395 Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige
0.01965422 Italian_Veneto
0.02013100 Italian_Bergamo
0.02039438 Italian_Marche
0.02104850 Italian_Northeast
0.02155837 Italian_Abruzzo
0.02173882 Italian_Calabria
0.02220537 Italian_Basilicata
0.02242522 Italian_Apulia
0.02247020 Italian_Liguria
0.02321013 Italian_Lombardy
0.02346064 Italian_Campania
0.02363641 Italian_Molise
0.02370882 Italian_Lazio
0.02481245 Sicilian_East
0.02567046 Italian_Aosta_Valley
0.02651888 Sicilian_West
0.04734932 Sardinian

Target: caesarsalad
Distance: 1.6002% / 0.01600191
38.0 Italian_Calabria
37.6 Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige
14.0 Italian_Northeast
10.4 Sardinian

Nurzat
10-13-2023, 05:11 PM
distance is pretty big and overall similar to all regions:

Distance to: Nurzat_dad
0.17228122 Italian_Northeast
0.17247821 Italian_Aosta_Valley
0.17388275 Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige
0.17388577 Italian_Veneto
0.17513787 Italian_Bergamo
0.17552977 Italian_Liguria
0.17604760 Italian_Piedmont
0.17615546 Italian_Lombardy
0.17742285 Italian_Tuscany
0.17785791 Italian_Marche
0.17865121 Italian_Lazio
0.17876132 Italian_Umbria
0.17931004 Italian_Abruzzo
0.17952776 Italian_Molise
0.17987472 Italian_Apulia
0.18022131 Sicilian_West
0.18037259 Italian_Basilicata
0.18109428 Italian_Campania
0.18129770 Sicilian_East
0.18191910 Italian_Calabria
0.18835546 Sardinian

Distance to: Nurzat
0.17169055 Italian_Northeast
0.17188087 Italian_Aosta_Valley
0.17278696 Italian_Veneto
0.17281066 Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige
0.17393074 Italian_Bergamo
0.17471857 Italian_Piedmont
0.17493255 Italian_Liguria
0.17509780 Italian_Lombardy
0.17585201 Italian_Tuscany
0.17654973 Italian_Marche
0.17692874 Italian_Umbria
0.17703239 Italian_Lazio
0.17770378 Italian_Abruzzo
0.17790493 Italian_Molise
0.17827668 Italian_Apulia
0.17872213 Italian_Basilicata
0.17900465 Sicilian_West
0.17936177 Italian_Campania
0.17993301 Sicilian_East
0.18017661 Italian_Calabria
0.18446796 Sardinian

ScandinavianCelt
10-13-2023, 05:30 PM
Distance to: ScandinavianCelt_UNscaled

0.02630803 Italian_Aosta_Valley
0.03147777 Italian_Northeast
0.03359153 Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige
0.03399455 Italian_Veneto
0.03599510 Italian_Piedmont
0.03648494 Italian_Bergamo
0.03717849 Italian_Liguria
0.03784282 Italian_Tuscany
0.03785282 Italian_Lombardy
0.03986422 Italian_Marche
0.04068435 Italian_Umbria
0.04375709 Italian_Abruzzo
0.04388261 Italian_Lazio
0.04411258 Italian_Molise
0.04483913 Sicilian_West
0.04647266 Italian_Basilicata
0.04663919 Italian_Apulia
0.04699809 Sicilian_East
0.04727234 Italian_Campania
0.04860561 Italian_Calabria
0.07699925 Sardinian

alnortedelsur
10-13-2023, 06:20 PM
Distance to: Alnortedelsur
0.02389531 Italian_Lombardy
0.02430823 Italian_Liguria
0.02628579 Italian_Aosta_Valley
0.02707584 Italian_Bergamo
0.02731684 Italian_Piedmont
0.02743038 Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige
0.02819111 Sicilian_West
0.02854474 Italian_Marche
0.02876385 Italian_Veneto
0.02915663 Italian_Tuscany
0.03027126 Italian_Umbria
0.03047540 Italian_Northeast
0.03082019 Italian_Abruzzo
0.03101851 Italian_Lazio
0.03192480 Sicilian_East
0.03215498 Italian_Apulia
0.03308059 Italian_Campania
0.03360506 Italian_Molise
0.03450013 Italian_Basilicata
0.03521518 Italian_Calabria
0.05439281 Sardinian

Kenshiro
10-20-2023, 07:19 AM
Distance to: Kenshiro
0.01435409 Italian_Molise
0.01650777 Italian_Basilicata
0.01696025 Italian_Apulia
0.01704359 Italian_Abruzzo
0.01771186 Italian_Umbria
0.01858395 Italian_Lazio
0.01871137 Italian_Campania
0.01883035 Italian_Marche
0.01892159 Italian_Tuscany
0.01938021 Italian_Calabria
0.01957538 Italian_Piedmont
0.02068354 Italian_Veneto
0.02159380 Sicilian_West
0.02177924 Sicilian_East
0.02247174 Italian_Bergamo
0.02288088 Italian_Northeast
0.02340763 Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige
0.02508163 Italian_Lombardy
0.02712600 Italian_Liguria
0.02748913 Italian_Aosta_Valley
0.05171499 Sardinian

Target: Kenshiro
Distance: 1.4120% / 0.01412028
91.0 Italian_Molise
4.4 Sardinian
2.6 Italian_Northeast
2.0 Italian_Veneto
From North Apulia
I'm the most near to Sardinia, Nanneddu Meu sound in the nuraghe, that 3.5% on 23andme makes itself felt

alexmegas777
10-20-2023, 04:24 PM
Distance to: alexmegas
0.01895007 Italian_Northeast
0.02187388 Italian_Veneto
0.02260758 Italian_Aosta_Valley
0.02294749 Italian_Piedmont
0.02308919 Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige
0.02344903 Italian_Marche
0.02424062 Italian_Tuscany
0.02424624 Italian_Liguria
0.02491046 Italian_Umbria
0.02513647 Italian_Abruzzo
0.02539353 Italian_Apulia
0.02564006 Sicilian_West
0.02621441 Italian_Bergamo
0.02647775 Italian_Basilicata
0.02692861 Italian_Molise
0.02721346 Sicilian_East
0.02737527 Italian_Campania
0.02741525 Italian_Lombardy
0.02749742 Italian_Lazio
0.02818248 Italian_Calabria
0.06178398 Sardinian

Target: alexmegas
Distance: 1.8606% / 0.01860602
80.0 Italian_Northeast
10.4 Sicilian_West
5.6 Italian_Apulia
4.0 Italian_Liguria

Mixdguy17
12-11-2023, 08:49 AM
Distance to: Mixdguy17
0.03317910 Italian_Aosta_Valley
0.03438786 Italian_Northeast
0.03458743 Italian_Liguria
0.03460897 Italian_Tuscany
0.03480722 Italian_Marche
0.03505886 Italian_Veneto
0.03519286 Italian_Umbria
0.03535270 Italian_Piedmont
0.03569372 Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige
0.03657438 Italian_Bergamo
0.03674833 Italian_Abruzzo
0.03692124 Italian_Lombardy
0.03705754 Sicilian_West
0.03804759 Italian_Apulia
0.03812858 Italian_Calabria
0.03814809 Italian_Basilicata
0.03819534 Sicilian_East
0.03836140 Italian_Campania
0.03867775 Italian_Lazio
0.03892390 Italian_Molise
0.06698049 Sardinian

Target: Mixdguy17
Distance: 3.2096% / 0.03209606
68.2 Italian_Aosta_Valley
27.6 Italian_Calabria
4.2 Italian_Liguria

Dantevici
12-11-2023, 09:19 AM
Distance to: me
0.02626451 Italian_Basilicata
0.02770920 Italian_Molise
0.02794084 Italian_Abruzzo
0.02797502 Italian_Umbria
0.02798292 Italian_Campania
0.02836609 Italian_Apulia
0.02882660 Italian_Calabria
0.02936390 Italian_Marche
0.02986554 Italian_Tuscany
0.03059605 Italian_Lazio
0.03184641 Sicilian_East
0.03236599 Italian_Piedmont
0.03237186 Sicilian_West
0.03312297 Italian_Veneto
0.03319776 Italian_Northeast
0.03495272 Italian_Aosta_Valley
0.03584118 Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige
0.03754837 Italian_Liguria
0.03757519 Italian_Bergamo
0.03952660 Italian_Lombardy
0.06955895 Sardinian


Target: me
Distance: 2.6123% / 0.02612269
89.4 Italian_Basilicata
10.6 Italian_Aosta_Valley

Gallop
12-11-2023, 11:51 AM
I have replaced Sardinia with a distant Andalusian sample.


Target: Gallop
Distance: 2.4267% / 0.02426693
62.2 Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige
36.4 Italian_Aosta_Valley
1.4 Spanish_Andalucia

Target: Father
Distance: 2.2317% / 0.02231732
64.4 Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige
20.0 Italian_Aosta_Valley
7.6 Sicilian_West
6.6 Italian_Veneto
1.4 Spanish_Andalucia

Target: brother
Distance: 2.4554% / 0.02455419
83.0 Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige
15.0 Sicilian_West
2.0 Spanish_Andalucia

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Since my surname (DNAY E-V22) is translatable into any language, this is my surname translated into Italian and the Italian regions where it appears, at least get the second region where it is the majority; although it obtains results that my brother and I do not obtain in this calcitling machine like Veneto, individual migrations and displacements cannot be ruled out.

Target: Father
Distance: 2.2317% / 0.02231732
64.4 Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige
20.0 Italian_Aosta_Valley
7.6 Sicilian_West
6.6 Italian_Veneto
1.4 Spanish_Andalucia


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Flashball
12-11-2023, 06:37 PM
Distance to: Unscaled-Father23andme(NorthernFrench)
0.02749550 Italian_Aosta_Valley
0.03008438 Italian_Lombardy
0.03232582 Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige
0.03251538 Italian_Liguria
0.03310216 Italian_Bergamo
0.03459819 Italian_Veneto
0.03479936 Italian_Piedmont
0.03501269 Italian_Northeast
0.03795977 Italian_Tuscany
0.03878762 Italian_Marche
0.04159709 Italian_Umbria
0.04221863 Italian_Lazio
0.04243339 Sicilian_West
0.04334825 Italian_Abruzzo
0.04418925 Italian_Molise
0.04424597 Sicilian_East
0.04564272 Italian_Apulia
0.04672356 Italian_Campania
0.04732781 Italian_Basilicata
0.04943380 Italian_Calabria
0.06879690 Sardinian



Distance to: Unscaled-Mother23andme(50%NorthernFrench50%Sardinian)
0.02102446 Italian_Lombardy
0.02288858 Italian_Bergamo
0.02634579 Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige
0.02656050 Italian_Liguria
0.02671051 Italian_Piedmont
0.02760349 Italian_Veneto
0.02824718 Italian_Lazio
0.02888762 Italian_Tuscany
0.02914946 Italian_Marche
0.03002393 Sicilian_West
0.03049338 Italian_Abruzzo
0.03078067 Italian_Apulia
0.03085980 Italian_Umbria
0.03093315 Italian_Molise
0.03115326 Italian_Northeast
0.03125789 Sicilian_East
0.03244353 Italian_Aosta_Valley
0.03251653 Italian_Campania
0.03288410 Italian_Basilicata
0.03467110 Italian_Calabria
0.03941984 Sardinian


Distance to: Unscaled-Sister23andme(75%NorthernFrench25%Sardinian)
0.01585699 Italian_Lombardy
0.01940091 Italian_Bergamo
0.02137836 Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige
0.02239330 Italian_Liguria
0.02329565 Italian_Piedmont
0.02341949 Italian_Aosta_Valley
0.02412678 Italian_Veneto
0.02668390 Italian_Tuscany
0.02711956 Italian_Northeast
0.02769585 Italian_Marche
0.02954070 Italian_Lazio
0.03037549 Italian_Umbria
0.03046325 Sicilian_West
0.03173572 Italian_Abruzzo
0.03224049 Sicilian_East
0.03262576 Italian_Molise
0.03354184 Italian_Apulia
0.03490524 Italian_Campania
0.03558287 Italian_Basilicata
0.03738964 Italian_Calabria
0.04966536 Sardinian


Distance to: Unscaled-FlashBallNebula(75%NorthernFrench25%Sardinian)
0.01327622 Italian_Lombardy
0.01580016 Italian_Bergamo
0.01654056 Italian_Liguria
0.01756120 Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige
0.01978392 Italian_Piedmont
0.02056070 Italian_Aosta_Valley
0.02095858 Italian_Veneto
0.02227372 Italian_Northeast
0.02331925 Italian_Tuscany
0.02454555 Italian_Marche
0.02708972 Italian_Umbria
0.02875770 Sicilian_West
0.02876036 Italian_Lazio
0.02905210 Italian_Abruzzo
0.02920363 Sicilian_East
0.02920445 Italian_Molise
0.03013913 Italian_Apulia
0.03218274 Italian_Basilicata
0.03227984 Italian_Campania
0.03320063 Italian_Calabria
0.05048214 Sardinian

Distance to: Unscaled-BrotherNebula(75%NorthernFrench25%Sardinian)
0.01720732 Italian_Lombardy
0.01918998 Italian_Bergamo
0.02013356 Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige
0.02125182 Italian_Liguria
0.02236006 Italian_Aosta_Valley
0.02312453 Italian_Veneto
0.02314544 Italian_Piedmont
0.02496615 Italian_Northeast
0.02643949 Italian_Tuscany
0.02753082 Italian_Marche
0.02958370 Sicilian_West
0.02971066 Italian_Lazio
0.03044752 Italian_Umbria
0.03130117 Italian_Abruzzo
0.03148357 Sicilian_East
0.03223352 Italian_Molise
0.03308917 Italian_Apulia
0.03473119 Italian_Campania
0.03521617 Italian_Basilicata
0.03667157 Italian_Calabria
0.05120469 Sardinian


Target: Unscaled-Father23andme(NorthernFrench)
Distance: 2.7278% / 0.02727760
78.6 Italian_Aosta_Valley
21.4 Italian_Lombardy

Target: Unscaled-Mother23andme(50%NorthernFrench50%Sardinian)
Distance: 1.7215% / 0.01721487
74.6 Italian_Lombardy
25.4 Sardinian

Target: Unscaled-Sister23andme(75%NorthernFrench25%Sardinian)
Distance: 1.5850% / 0.01585021
99.0 Italian_Lombardy
1.0 Sardinian

Target: Unscaled-FlashBallNebula(75%NorthernFrench25%Sardinian)
Distance: 1.3231% / 0.01323090
87.0 Italian_Lombardy
10.0 Italian_Liguria
3.0 Italian_Bergamo

Target: Unscaled-BrotherNebula(75%NorthernFrench25%Sardinian)
Distance: 1.7117% / 0.01711702
88.6 Italian_Lombardy
11.2 Italian_Aosta_Valley
0.2 Sardinian

Damiăo de Góis
12-11-2023, 07:18 PM
Distance to: Gil_Vicente
0.01720581 Italian_Lombardy
0.01900661 Italian_Bergamo
0.01966170 Italian_Aosta_Valley
0.01983794 Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige
0.02095790 Italian_Piedmont
0.02145697 Italian_Veneto
0.02150721 Italian_Liguria
0.02425836 Italian_Tuscany
0.02428827 Italian_Northeast
0.02546285 Italian_Marche
0.02591106 Sicilian_West
0.02689141 Italian_Umbria
0.02703134 Italian_Lazio
0.02892613 Italian_Abruzzo
0.02998366 Italian_Molise
0.03043096 Sicilian_East
0.03117384 Italian_Apulia
0.03187141 Italian_Campania
0.03286871 Italian_Basilicata
0.03482746 Italian_Calabria
0.05051131 Sardinian

Target: Gil_Vicente
Distance: 1.6146% / 0.01614626
51.8 Italian_Lombardy
41.6 Italian_Aosta_Valley
6.6 Sardinian