What would a 23andme ancestral breakdown of Ashkenazi Jewish ancestry will look like?

[Serbat14]

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?281227-23andme-results-of-North-West-African-Jews-(Haplogroups-Autosomal)

If North African Jews getting those amounts of European ancestry then I wonder how much Ashkenazim will score on average
so how much % European and MENA they will score?

[Serbat14]

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[Samnium]

100% Ashkenazi, usually

[Smeagol]

100% Ashkenazi, usually

But what I think he means, is if there wasn't an Ashkenazi category.

[Samnium]

But what I think he means, is if there wasn't an Ashkenazi category.

Similar to Southern Italian results, at the outlying end of the cluster I would say though Ashkenazim are more european than other Jews groups.

[Serbat14]

Similar to Southern Italian results, at the outlying end of the cluster I would say though Ashkenazim are more european than other Jews groups.
how much % European it will be you think? my guess it will be around 60%-70% and most of it is South euro

[Richmondbread]

Definitely not mine. Most Ashkenazi will score 90% or more Jewish and the rest will be something like Italian or Anglo ethnicity.

[Serbat14]

Definitely not mine. Most Ashkenazi will score 90% or more Jewish and the rest will be something like Italian or Anglo ethnicity.

But I am asking how an Ashkenazi Jewish *ancestral breakdown* will look like on 23andme if there wasn't Ashkenazi category
read my question

[Samnium]

how much % European it will be you think? my guess it will be around 60%-70% and most of it is South euro

Around that, more 50-60% "Euro" range.

In reality they are much more than 50%/60% euro because Lebanese have already 40% European admixture, so Southern Italians, Ashkenazim are generally only "20%" Levant and some CHG/Iran-Neo.

It's not really "50% European 50% Non-European".

[Serbat14]

Around that, more 50-60% "Euro" range.

In reality they are much more than 50%/60% euro because Lebanese have already 40% European admixture, so Southern Italians, Ashkenazim are generally only "20%" Levant and some CHG/Iran-Neo.

It's not really "50% European 50% Non-European".
I don't think Lebanese have 40% european Admixture
how do you know that

[Serbat14]

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[Damianoaussie]

Classify me please:
Doida, acha que tudo é uma pontada nela. Pode nem receber uma crítica que já fica bravinha, descontando a raiva nos outros. Eu nunca vi uma mulher admitindo que está errada, elas sempre assumem que estão certas e que são as vítimas sempre.

[Pine]

Around that, more 50-60% "Euro" range.

In reality they are much more than 50%/60% euro because Lebanese have already 40% European admixture, so Southern Italians, Ashkenazim are generally only "20%" Levant and some CHG/Iran-Neo.

It's not really "50% European 50% Non-European".

lol. They've (Lebanese Christians) been shown to be pretty much pure Canaanites. Why do you people just make shit up on the spot?

[TheOldNorth]

A lot of my 23&me relatives are ashkenazi do to the founder effect, most come up as 90-100 ashkenazi jewish, the rest is usually either eastern/southern european, or a tiny smidge of MENA

[waam]

They would have probably scored lots of Broadly either ALE or ICM like any other Jewish group with the rest being a mix of Southern and other European. You can take a look at what they score with LivingDNA.

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?306313-New-Free-Update-LivingDNA-Upload!&p=6320937&viewfull=1#post6320937
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?306313-New-Free-Update-LivingDNA-Upload!&p=6321530&viewfull=1#post6321530
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?306313-New-Free-Update-LivingDNA-Upload!&p=6322302&viewfull=1#post6322302

[xripkan]

A mix of Middle East, Southern Europe and Eastern Europe. Check Ashkenazi Russian breakdown at g25
Target: Ashkenazi_Russia
Distance: 0.9951% / 0.00995065 | ADC: 0.5x
35.6 Maltese
16.2 Italian_Campania
14.4 Sicilian_West
12.2 Turkish_Istanbul
8.8 Turkish_Balkans
7.0 Sephardic_Jew
5.4 Italian_Jew
0.4 Greek_Crete

Target: Ashkenazi_Russia
Distance: 0.5932% / 0.00593203 | ADC: 0.25x
27.2 Turkish_Balkans
26.2 Sephardic_Jew
18.6 Italian_Jew
13.4 Italian_Campania
9.4 Sicilian_West
2.8 Moroccan_Jew
2.2 Maltese
0.2 Italian_Abruzzo

Target: Ashkenazi_Russia
Distance: 0.2997% / 0.00299731
35.4 Sephardic_Jew
18.2 Romanian
12.2 Cypriot
10.4 Italian_Umbria
5.2 Italian_Jew
2.4 French_Paris
2.2 Karaite_Egypt
2.2 Moroccan_Jew
2.2 Yemenite_Mahra
1.8 Lak
1.8 Norwegian
1.4 Serbian
1.0 Japanese
1.0 Lebanese_Christian
1.0 Mari
0.8 Berber_Tunisia_Chen
0.4 Uygur
0.2 Maori
0.2 Turkish_North

[Pine]

A mix of Middle East, Southern Europe and Eastern Europe. Check Ashkenazi Russian breakdown at g25
Target: Ashkenazi_Russia
Distance: 0.9951% / 0.00995065 | ADC: 0.5x
35.6 Maltese
16.2 Italian_Campania
14.4 Sicilian_West
12.2 Turkish_Istanbul
8.8 Turkish_Balkans
7.0 Sephardic_Jew
5.4 Italian_Jew
0.4 Greek_Crete

Target: Ashkenazi_Russia
Distance: 0.5932% / 0.00593203 | ADC: 0.25x
27.2 Turkish_Balkans
26.2 Sephardic_Jew
18.6 Italian_Jew
13.4 Italian_Campania
9.4 Sicilian_West
2.8 Moroccan_Jew
2.2 Maltese
0.2 Italian_Abruzzo

Target: Ashkenazi_Russia
Distance: 0.2997% / 0.00299731
35.4 Sephardic_Jew
18.2 Romanian
12.2 Cypriot
10.4 Italian_Umbria
5.2 Italian_Jew
2.4 French_Paris
2.2 Karaite_Egypt
2.2 Moroccan_Jew
2.2 Yemenite_Mahra
1.8 Lak
1.8 Norwegian
1.4 Serbian
1.0 Japanese
1.0 Lebanese_Christian
1.0 Mari
0.8 Berber_Tunisia_Chen
0.4 Uygur
0.2 Maori
0.2 Turkish_North

You just ran them against all references. Terrible idea. The model is almost meaningless. Also, the Russian Ashkenazi sample is the most north shifted one, while Russian Jews only came to exist a century ago. The grouping is senseless.

[joanna_38]

I always thought they had some Russian in them, but not sure why.

[rothaer]

But I am asking how an Ashkenazi Jewish *ancestral breakdown* will look like on 23andme if there wasn't Ashkenazi category


This is an extremely interesting question that I also have thought of!

At all having an Ashkenazi Jewish (AJ) component is more hiding than enlightening what AJ are. Of course, showing an AJ score is interesting, but having this category imo is also somewhat against the priciples. You could then likely also make a category for Mennonites and would then not anymore see what's behind Mennonites.

23andMe should have an on/off button for AJ component, which imo should be easy to implement.

I also wonder whether AJ is maybe notable heterogenous, i. e. two people scoring 100% AJ at 23andMe may have in fact one of them 10% Eastern European and another 0% Eastern European. And the same maybe applies to the proportion of MENA and European, who knows if there might be in fact a big spread, albeit people do score 100% AJ?

(LivingDNA is not the best, but as they do not have an AJ as a component, it could be a first approach to see what 100% AJ's do score at LivingDNA.)