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Kmakkmak
02-27-2020, 09:19 AM
Such as rulers, scientist.....

Kmakkmak
02-27-2020, 09:25 AM
Arpad Dynasty: R1a-Z93

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%81rp%C3%A1d_dynasty

Kmakkmak
02-27-2020, 09:27 AM
Dr. Mehmet Oz: J2a1b

https://tr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mehmet_%C3%96z

Kmakkmak
02-27-2020, 09:33 AM
Sultan Satuq Bughra Khan Ghazi: J2a > PF5050/PF5008 > PF5058/L581 > PF7384/PF5000 > PF5056

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sultan_Satuq_Bughra_Khan

Sources:Ftdna

Kmakkmak
02-27-2020, 09:36 AM
Mirza Muhammad-khan II :N-M232

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mirza_Muhammad_Khan_II

Sources:Ftdna

Kmakkmak
02-27-2020, 09:39 AM
Bekhanid Dynasty: J-M102

https://www.facebook.com/cultural.anthropology.of.haplogroup.j2/posts/tatar-princes-j2b-bekhanids-lithuanian-tatar-nobility-j2ahttpwwwfamilytreednacom/645373872186644/

Sources: Ftdna

Kmakkmak
02-27-2020, 09:41 AM
Qajar Dynasty: J-M267

According to a study conducted by L.A. Ferydoun Barjesteh van Waalwijk van Doorn and Sahar Khosrovani published in Qajar Studies, Journal of the International Qajar Studies Association, volume VII (2007), Qajar dynasty, the Iranian royal family who ruled over Persia from 1785 to 1925, belonged to haplogroup J1.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qajar_dynasty

Sources: Eupedia

Kmakkmak
02-27-2020, 09:45 AM
Ashina Dynasty: R1a-Z93

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bumin_Qaghan

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashina_tribe

Based on testings on persons who identify themselves as descendants Bumin Qaghan, Ashina clan belongs to the Z93, Z94+, Z2123-, Y2632- branch of haplogroup R1a.[15] According some researchers, Bulgar Asen dynasty might be descendants of Ashina.[32]

Kmakkmak
02-27-2020, 09:48 AM
Ottoman Dynasty: R1a-Z93

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ottoman_dynasty

https://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogroup_R1a_Y-DNA.shtml#famous_people

Kmakkmak
02-27-2020, 09:55 AM
Golden Horde Dynasty: C-M217 or R1b-M343

Numerous studies by teams of biochemists led by M. V. Derenko (2007), based on the Y-DNA of people who claim to be modern descendants of Genghis Khan, have indicated that Genghis Khan may have belonged to a subclade of Haplogroup C-M217 (C2) such as C-F4002 (C2b1a3).[50]

However, a research published in 2016 based on testing ancient DNA from a Mongol burial site (all, 5 belonging to the Mongoloid racial type) claimed that Genghis belonged to haplogroup R-M343 (R1b) instead.[51] It is still unsure if that burial site belonged to the Genghis Khan's Borijigin clan or other clans of Mongolian or central Asian origin.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Horde

The Golden Horde, Ulug Ulus (Mongolian: Алтан Орд, romanized: Altan Ord; Kazakh: Алтын Орда, Altın Orda; Tatar: Алтын Урда, Altın Urda; Russian: Золотая Орда, romanized: Zolotaya Orda) was originally a Mongol and later Turkicized khanate established in the 13th century and originating as the northwestern sector of the Mongol Empire.[7] With the fragmentation of the Mongol Empire after 1259 it became a functionally separate khanate. It is also known as the Kipchak Khanate or as the Ulus of Jochi.[8]

Kmakkmak
02-27-2020, 10:00 AM
Aras Agalarov: R1a-Z2123

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aras_Agalarov

Sources:http://forum.molgen.org

Kmakkmak
02-27-2020, 10:20 AM
Prince Chazbej Juszenski(Lithuanian Tatar Nobility): J-M410

Sources: Ftdna

Kmakkmak
02-27-2020, 10:27 AM
Kerait Dynasty: C2*

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toghrul

Oghuz
02-27-2020, 10:46 AM
What about ?

Saffavi

Afshars

Pahlavi (Half Azeris through maternal lineage)

Kmakkmak
02-27-2020, 10:49 AM
What about ?

Saffavi

Afshars

Pahlavi (Half Azeris through maternal lineage)

I don't read russian but this page about safavids.

http://www.rodstvo.ru/forum/index.php?showtopic=1153&st=120

Leto
02-27-2020, 11:31 AM
Aras Agalarov: R1a-Z2123

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aras_Agalarov

Sources:http://forum.molgen.org
Interesting. Is that Z93?

Oghuz
02-27-2020, 11:51 AM
I don't read russian but this page about safavids.

http://www.rodstvo.ru/forum/index.php?showtopic=1153&st=120

Thanks

I would assume R1a, R1b or may be J2 considering that Saffavid had Kalhur Kurdish Male line from Sanjab area. Their ancestor settled in Ardabil

Kmakkmak
02-27-2020, 09:34 PM
Thanks

I would assume R1a, R1b or may be J2 considering that Saffavid had Kalhur Kurdish Male line from Sanjab area. Their ancestor settled in Ardabil

This page say that safavid is R1a-Z93. But I no know.

http://www.rodstvo.ru/forum/index.php?showtopic=1153&st=120

Kmakkmak
02-27-2020, 09:37 PM
Qungrat Dynasty: R-M512

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khanate_of_Khiva

Sources: Ftdna

Kmakkmak
02-27-2020, 09:42 PM
Timurid Dynasty: R-M512 or J2a-L24

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timurid_dynasty

https://forum-eurasica.ru/topic/3113-%D0%B4%D0%BD%D0%BA-%D0%BF%D0%B0%D1%81%D0%BF%D0%BE%D1%80%D1%82-%D1%82%D0%B0%D0%BC%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%BB%D0%B0%D0%BD%D 0%B0/page/3/

Sources: Ftdna

Kmakkmak
02-27-2020, 09:44 PM
Baburid Dynasty: R-M512 or J2a-L24

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Babur

Sources: Ftdna

Kmakkmak
02-27-2020, 09:47 PM
Qara Qoyunlu Dynasty: R-M512

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kara_Koyunlu

https://forum-eurasica.ru/topic/3113-%D0%B4%D0%BD%D0%BA-%D0%BF%D0%B0%D1%81%D0%BF%D0%BE%D1%80%D1%82-%D1%82%D0%B0%D0%BC%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%BB%D0%B0%D0%BD%D 0%B0/page/3/

Sources: Ftdna

Kmakkmak
02-27-2020, 09:54 PM
Butakids(Nobility of Tatar Princes of Russia): Q-M242 or Q-BZ50022

Sources: Ftdna

Kmakkmak
02-27-2020, 09:58 PM
Oraz-Muhammad Khan: C-M217

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Qasim_Khans

Sources: Ftdna

Kmakkmak
02-27-2020, 10:05 PM
King of Ongud: Q-M242

Gaodang-king Korguz (高唐王=趙王 阔里吉思)
Noble burials of Mongols in the Yuan dynasty in Shuzhuanglou Site (northernmost Hebei, China, 700YBP) were excavated. All three men excavated belong to Y haplogroup Q, with subclade not analysed.

The most principal occupant, Gaodang King Korguz, had mtDNA of haplogroup D4m2; two others' mtDNA is A[2]

Korguz (Chinese: 高唐王阔里吉思) was the son of a princess of Kublai Khan and he was the king of the Ongud and a descendant of Gok-Turk. The Ongud claimed descent from the Shatuo. a branch of the Göktürks prominent in the era of the Five Dynasties and Ten Kingdoms period. His two wives were all princesses of Yuan Dynasty. It was very important for the Yuan dynasty to maintain marriage-alliance with the Onguds, which had been very important assistant since Genghis Khan. About 16 princesses of Yuan dynasty were married to khans of the Ongud.

Sources: Wikipedia

Kmakkmak
02-27-2020, 10:09 PM
Tang Dynasty:N-M231


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tang_dynasty

https://www.quora.com/Why-is-it-deduced-that-Emperor-Gaozu-of-Tang-of-China-was-likely-a-member-of-haplogroup-N-which-is-extremely-rare-among-the-Han-Chinese

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?231521-Turkish-Chinese-origins-of-the-Tang-dynasty-(China-history-s-strongest-dynasty)


Sources: Quora and Ftdna

Kmakkmak
02-27-2020, 10:13 PM
Ashide Dynasty: Q1a-L53

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashide

In 2015-2016 yy. in Fudan University (Shanghai), headed by ethnogenomist Shao-Qing Wen (文少卿) in China were tested to determine the Y-DNA haplogroup the representatives from aristocratic Turkic clan Ashide.

Subclade of clan Ashide: Q1a-L53.[7]

Turul Karom
02-27-2020, 10:21 PM
Árpád Dynasty!

R1a-Z93

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/07/%C3%81rp%C3%A1d_R%C3%A1ckeve.JPG/220px-%C3%81rp%C3%A1d_R%C3%A1ckeve.JPG

Kmakkmak
02-27-2020, 10:24 PM
Xiongnu Elite: R1a1

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20091844

Kmakkmak
02-27-2020, 10:25 PM
Árpád Dynasty!

R1a-Z93

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/07/%C3%81rp%C3%A1d_R%C3%A1ckeve.JPG/220px-%C3%81rp%C3%A1d_R%C3%A1ckeve.JPG

I added Him.

Turul Karom
02-27-2020, 10:40 PM
I added Him.

Family forever! The children of Asena!


https://youtu.be/5Cfr5gR4YtQ

Dick
02-27-2020, 10:41 PM
What about Erdogan

Leto
02-27-2020, 10:43 PM
What about Erdogan
He's just an assimilated Anatolian Greek xD

Ülev
02-27-2020, 10:44 PM
Erdogan is planning now ---> https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?316327-Is-this-War-Turkey-vs-Russia

Kmakkmak
02-27-2020, 10:46 PM
Zülfüqar Əhmədzadə: E-V12

https://az.wikipedia.org/wiki/Z%C3%BClf%C3%BCqar_%C6%8Fhm%C9%99dzad%C9%99
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Zulfuqar_Ahmadzoda

Sources: http://forum.molgen.org

Kmakkmak
02-27-2020, 10:48 PM
Lotfi Aliasker Zadeh: E-V22

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lotfi_A._Zadeh

Sources: http://forum.molgen.org/

Kmakkmak
02-27-2020, 10:49 PM
Majit Gafuri: E-V13

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Majit_Gafuri

Sources: http://forum.molgen.org/

Kmakkmak
02-27-2020, 10:54 PM
Hazi Aslanov: J2

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hazi_Aslanov

Sources: http://forum.molgen.org/

Kmakkmak
02-29-2020, 12:50 AM
Crimean Tatar Nobility (Mangyt, Idegey bey): O-M175

Sources: Ftdna

Kmakkmak
02-29-2020, 01:07 AM
Ilkhanate Dynasty: C-M217

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hulagu_Khan

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sorghaghtani_Beki

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keraites

The Keraites first enter into history as the ruling faction of the Zubu confederacy, a large alliance of tribes that dominated Mongolia during the 11th and 12th centuries and often fought with the Liao Dynasty of northern China, which controlled much of Mongolia at the time.

It is unclear whether the Keraites should be classified as Turkic or Mongol in origin. The names and titles of early Keraite leaders suggest that they were speakers of a Turkic language, but coalitions and incorporation of sub-clans may have led to Turco-Mongol amalgamation from an early time.[12][13]

They consisted of eight Mongolic tribes, including the Khereid, Jirkhin, Khonkhoid, Sukhait, Albat, Tumaut, Dunghaid and the Khirkh.

The Khereid tribe is called both Mongolian and Turkic by different accounts. All of Khereid tribal names being explainable in Mongolian language and all of tribal names end with Mongolic plural suffix "d" (t; ud, uud, üd, üüd) and singular suffix "n".[14] Plural suffix "d" (t; üd, üüd) and singular suffix "n" being popular among the Mongol tribes.

Rashid-al-Din Hamadani (1247–1318) says in the Jami' al-tawarikh (Section Three, Khereid Tribe):

At that time they had more power and strength than other tribes. The call of Jesus - peace be upon him - reached them and they entered his faith. They belong to the Mongol ethnicity. They reside along the Onon and Kerulen rivers, the land of the Mongols. That land is close to the country of the Khitai.[15]

They are first noted in Syriac Church records which mention them being absorbed into the Church of the East around AD 1000 by Metropolitan Abdisho of Merv.

According to an analysis of the paternal lineages of Tungusic males conducted by Zerjal et al. (2003), Genghis Khan, founder and Great Khan of the Mongol Empire, and his patrilineal descendants are believed to have belonged to Haplogroup C3 (M217).

Sources: Eupedia

Kmakkmak
02-29-2020, 01:10 AM
Chagatai Dynasty: C-M217

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chagatai_Khanate

The Chagatai Khanate (Mongolian: Цагаадайн Хаант Улс Tsagadaina Khaanat Ulus) or Chagatai Ulus[6] was a Mongol and later Turkicized khanate[7][8] that comprised the lands ruled by Chagatai Khan,[9] second son of Genghis Khan, and his descendants and successors. At its height in the late 13th century, the khanate extended from the Amu Darya south of the Aral Sea to the Altai Mountains in the border of modern-day Mongolia and China, roughly corresponding to the defunct Qara Khitai Empire.[10] Initially the rulers of the Chagatai Khanate recognized the supremacy of the Great Khan,[11] but by the reign of Kublai Khan, Ghiyas-ud-din Baraq no longer obeyed the emperor's orders. During the mid-14th century, the Chagatais lost Transoxania to the Timurids. The reduced realm came to be known as Moghulistan, which lasted until the late 15th century when it broke off into the Yarkent Khanate and Turpan Khanate. In 1680, the remaining Chagatai domains lost their independence to the Dzungar Khanate, and in 1705, the last Chagatai khan was removed from power, ending the dynasty of Chagatai.

According to an analysis of the paternal lineages of Tungusic males conducted by Zerjal et al. (2003), Genghis Khan, founder and Great Khan of the Mongol Empire, and his patrilineal descendants are believed to have belonged to Haplogroup C3 (M217).


Sources: Eupedia

porpozontokonto
02-29-2020, 01:15 AM
xiongnu elite was Q1a

Kmakkmak
02-29-2020, 01:24 AM
xiongnu elite was Q1a

it is true but we do not say xiongnu have one elite family.

Over the past decade, Chinese archaeologists have published several reviews regarding the results of excavations in Xinjiang. They imply the genetic composition of Xiongnu's supreme ruling class. Particularly interesting are the tombs in the cemetery at Heigouliang, Xinjiang (the Black Gouliang cemetery, also known as the summer palace of the Xiongnu king), east of the Barkol basin, near the city of Hami. By typing results of DNA samples during the excavation of one of the tombs, it was determined that of the 12 men: 6 Q1a* (not Q1a1-M120, not Q1a1b-M25, not Q1a2-M3), 4 Q1b-M378, 2 Q* (not Q1a, not Q1b: unable to determine subclades):[4]

Kmakkmak
02-29-2020, 01:25 AM
https://www.wikizero.com/en/Genetic_history_of_East_Asians

porpozontokonto
02-29-2020, 03:01 AM
it is true but we do not say xiongnu have one elite family.

Over the past decade, Chinese archaeologists have published several reviews regarding the results of excavations in Xinjiang. They imply the genetic composition of Xiongnu's supreme ruling class. Particularly interesting are the tombs in the cemetery at Heigouliang, Xinjiang (the Black Gouliang cemetery, also known as the summer palace of the Xiongnu king), east of the Barkol basin, near the city of Hami. By typing results of DNA samples during the excavation of one of the tombs, it was determined that of the 12 men: 6 Q1a* (not Q1a1-M120, not Q1a1b-M25, not Q1a2-M3), 4 Q1b-M378, 2 Q* (not Q1a, not Q1b: unable to determine subclades):[4]

huns had an yeniseian ruling class so it's no surprise all of the elite men are Q.

axlredneck
02-29-2020, 05:44 AM
xiongnu elite was Q1a

R-Z2124 was found in a Xiongnu elite from NE Mongolia.

Kmakkmak
02-29-2020, 05:47 AM
R-Z2124 was found in a Xiongnu elite from NE Mongolia.

which burial? name?

axlredneck
02-29-2020, 05:51 AM
which burial? name?

Duurlig Nars.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/20091844/

axlredneck
02-29-2020, 05:52 AM
LBA Hovsgol - R-Z2123

porpozontokonto
02-29-2020, 06:20 AM
R-Z2124 was found in a Xiongnu elite from NE Mongolia.

muh ancestor

nevertheless most of them were Q

see below

6 Q1a* (not Q1a1-M120, not Q1a1b-M25, not Q1a2-M3), 4 Q1b-M378, 2 Q* (not Q1a, not Q1b: unable to determine subclades):[4]

axlredneck
02-29-2020, 06:25 AM
muh ancestor

Great!

What about the Egyin Gol burials? They have a lot of C!

Kaspias
02-29-2020, 07:41 AM
Kmakkmak, more than half you posted is wrong information

Kmakkmak
02-29-2020, 07:42 AM
Kmakkmak, more than half you posted is wrong information

which is? Such as...?

Kaspias
02-29-2020, 08:26 AM
which is? Such as...?

The ones who claim to be descendant of a person has no reliability. See: Ottomans, Satuq Bughra, Ashina etc.

Kmakkmak
02-29-2020, 10:45 AM
The ones who claim to be descendant of a person has no reliability. See: Ottomans, Satuq Bughra, Ashina etc.

Many sources say that haplogroup of this people. I do not find it.

Kmakkmak
02-29-2020, 10:49 AM
The ones who claim to be descendant of a person has no reliability. See: Ottomans, Satuq Bughra, Ashina etc.

Bu saydığın hanedanlardan bazı kişilerin testleri var bazılarının ise mezar ya da soyundan gelen ailelerden(ki böyle aileler mutlaka bunu bilir ve zaten soylu olarak sınıflandırılırlar) alınmıştır diye düşünüyorum. Mesela Rurik hanedanını da öyle buldular. Fakat ben bu sonuçların kimlerden alındığını nasıl bulunduğunu bilmiyorum sadece araştırıp gördüğümü yazıyorum bir de kaynağını yazıyorum.

Sora
02-29-2020, 12:50 PM
Ashina doğru ama, çünkü https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashina_tribe#Genetics belirtiyor. Osmanlı konusunda şüpheliyim :/

Hajimurad
02-29-2020, 01:15 PM
Ashina dynasty? I thought they are extinct long ago.

Kaspias
02-29-2020, 06:14 PM
Ashina doğru ama, çünkü https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashina_tribe#Genetics belirtiyor. Osmanlı konusunda şüpheliyim :/

Çinli bir etnogenomist ben Ashina'nın soyundan gelen birini buldum deyip test ediyor ve makale yazıp yayınlıyor. Sonra onu Tuna Bulgarları ile falan bağlıyordu hatta. Baya varsayımın varsayımından gidiyor, ne kadar bilimsel tartışılır.

Ben x kişinin soyundan geldiğimi iddia edip makale ile desteklesem seneye benide vikide görürsün :D

Kmakkmak
03-01-2020, 06:43 AM
Çinli bir etnogenomist ben Ashina'nın soyundan gelen birini buldum deyip test ediyor ve makale yazıp yayınlıyor. Sonra onu Tuna Bulgarları ile falan bağlıyordu hatta. Baya varsayımın varsayımından gidiyor, ne kadar bilimsel tartışılır.

Ben x kişinin soyundan geldiğimi iddia edip makale ile desteklesem seneye benide vikide görürsün :D

Yav o kadar kolay mı bu oyuncak mı bu?

Kmakkmak
03-01-2020, 06:44 AM
https://www.academia.edu/23316012/Wen_S.-Q._Muratov_B.A._Suyunov_R.R._The_haplogroups_of_th e_representatives_from_ancient_Turkic_clans_-_Ashina_and_Ashide_BEHPS_ISSN_2410-1788_Volume_3_2_1_2_March_2016_P.154-157

Kaspias
03-01-2020, 08:33 AM
Yav o kadar kolay mı bu oyuncak mı bu?

Bir şeyler deniyorlar en azından. Güvenilirliği sorgulanır sadece.

Kmakkmak
03-01-2020, 01:37 PM
Bir şeyler deniyorlar en azından. Güvenilirliği sorgulanır sadece.

Şunu diyorum: Ben şimdi çıkıp sezarın soyundayım desem dalga geçerler ya da hastaneye kapatırlar. Demek ki o kadar kolay değildir bu işler. Kesin bir altyapısı vardır.

:DDDD

Kmakkmak
03-19-2020, 02:08 AM
Yav bi tek ben yazmışım neredeyse başlığa :D