Proto-Avar Gedmatch + Global25.

[axlredneck]

DA95, KAZ_Nomad_HP

Y-DNA: N-F22331 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/N-F22331/)
mt-DNA: D4b1
Region: Central Steppe
Period: Hunnic
Age: early 5th century AD.
https://ibb.co/BqCfhQM

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Eurogenes K13 Admix results:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population - Percent
1 Siberian - 60.84
2 East_Asian - 21.43
3 Baltic - 9.96
4 West_Asian - 5.69
5 Amerindian - 2.08

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Using 1 population approximation:
1 Tuvinian @ 6.388361
2 Buryat @ 9.283823
3 Altaian @ 13.604541
4 Oroqen @ 15.385043
5 Yakut @ 16.792627
6 Mongolian @ 17.227613
7 Hakas @ 18.964451
8 Dolgan @ 19.870237
9 Koryak @ 21.076704
10 Evenki @ 22.129021
11 Ket @ 23.285372
12 Shors @ 23.312607
13 Evens @ 24.640844
14 Kirgiz @ 25.559639
15 Selkup @ 26.072138
16 Kazakh @ 27.037975
17 Chukchi @ 27.286528
18 Hezhen @ 40.636456
19 Xibo @ 41.699715
20 Hazara @ 42.167156

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Hakas +50% Oroqen @ 4.697084

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Buryat +25% Buryat +25% Selkup @ 3.443051

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Global25 SPS:
Distanceto: KAZ_Nomad_HP:DA95
2.835945 Buryat
3.763606 Mogush
3.873380 Tuvinian
4.442029 Khamnegan
4.697632 Kalmyk
4.898161 Mongolian
6.841695 Altaian
7.300789 Khakass_Kachins
7.914760 Todzin
10.72600 Kirghiz
11.06845 Oroqen
11.65165 Nanai
11.67174 Khakass
11.71916 Ulchi
12.07520 Daur
12.39856 Nivkh
12.47999 Dolgan
12.74972 Negidal
12.78669 Hezhen
14.17887 Shor
14.53016 Kazakh
14.61409 Xibo
14.64964 Yakut
14.96882 Shor_Khakassia
15.00987 Sakha
15.10117 Shor_Mountain
15.35605 Mongola
15.41166 Yukagir_Tundra
15.66325 Tubalar
16.15535 Itelmen

[Jana]

Avars were indeed Buryat like people, last paper on them said the same.

[Leto]

Avars were indeed Buryat like people, last paper on them said the same.
Really? I thought they were white, kinda like Slavs, no? Buryat-like and living in Europe?

[Leto]

DA95, KAZ_Nomad_HP

Y-DNA: N-F22331 (https://www.yfull.com/tree/N-F22331/)
mt-DNA: D4b1
Region: Central Steppe
Period: Hunnic
Age: early 5th century AD.
https://ibb.co/BqCfhQM

Post HarappaWorld please if you can.

[axlredneck]

Really? I thought they were white, kinda like Slavs, no? Buryat-like and living in Europe?

Weren't they from Siberia, eh?

[Jana]

Really? I thought they were white, kinda like Slavs, no? Buryat-like and living in Europe?

You didn't know Avars were mongoloids? Sample from Hungary was not ethnic Avar, but assimilated early Slav. Lot of Slavs joined Avar ranks.
But real Avars were totally Siberian people.

[axlredneck]

Post HarappaWorld please if you can.

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Siberian 48.26
2 NE-Asian 33.89
3 NE-Euro 6.46
4 Beringian 4.19
5 Baloch 3.57
6 American 1.78
7 Caucasian 1.14


Finished reading population data. 377 populations found.
16 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 tuvinian_rasmussen @ 4.921134
2 buryat_rasmussen @ 6.289041
3 buryat_xing @ 6.759266
4 mongolian_rasmussen @ 12.951241
5 altaian_rasmussen @ 13.094914
6 oroqen_hgdp @ 15.654895
7 kyrgyz_hodoglugil @ 20.912508
8 kyrgyz_xing @ 21.385544
9 kazakh_harappa @ 24.189905
10 yukaghir_rasmussen @ 29.419985
11 yukaghir_rasmussen @ 29.419985
12 yakut_hgdp @ 31.112345
13 daur_hgdp @ 31.274050
14 dolgan_rasmussen @ 32.185677
15 hezhen_hgdp @ 32.451836
16 hazara_hgdp @ 37.293633
17 ket_rasmussen @ 37.377064
18 evenki_rasmussen @ 38.677776
19 mongola_hgdp @ 39.046970
20 uyghur_hgdp @ 39.123978

[Kyp]

What is the connection between the historc Avars and the Caucasian Avars?

[axlredneck]

What is the connection between the historc Avars and the Caucasian Avars?

They ain't related.

[Leto]

Yeah, this one scores more Siberian than NE Asian, which is a little different from Central Asians who normally score more NE-Asian than Siberian.

1 Siberian 48.26
2 NE-Asian 33.89

A Kyrgyz for example

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 NE-Asian 33.89
2 Siberian 29.31
3 NE-Euro 10.67
4 Baloch 8.09
5 Caucasian 7.3
6 Beringian 3.03
7 Mediterranean 2.37
8 SE-Asian 2.3
9 American 1.84
10 S-Indian 0.95
11 SW-Asian 0.26

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 kyrgyz (hodoglugil) 2.15
2 kyrgyz (xing) 3.5
3 kazakh (harappa) 6.53
4 mongolian (rasmussen) 11.23
5 altaian (rasmussen) 12.18
6 hazara (hgdp) 17.74
7 uyghur (hgdp) 17.86
8 buryat (xing) 21.26
9 tuvinian (rasmussen) 21.61
10 uzbek (behar) 21.75
11 buryat (rasmussen) 23.5
12 oroqen (hgdp) 24.02
13 daur (hgdp) 27.71
14 hezhen (hgdp) 28.42
15 mongola (hgdp) 30.08
16 xibo (hgdp) 33.58
17 yukaghir (rasmussen) 36.12
18 nepalese-b (xing) 36.43
19 burmanese (chaubey) 38.81
20 nogai (yunusbayev) 39.94

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 98% kyrgyz (hodoglugil) + 2% dai-chinese (1000genomes) @ 1.62
2 97.8% kyrgyz (hodoglugil) + 2.2% vietnamese (xing) @ 1.62
3 98.1% kyrgyz (hodoglugil) + 1.9% dai (hgdp) @ 1.63
4 97.9% kyrgyz (hodoglugil) + 2.1% kinh (1000genomes) @ 1.63
5 97.7% kyrgyz (hodoglugil) + 2.3% lahu (hgdp) @ 1.64
6 97.6% kyrgyz (hodoglugil) + 2.4% miao (hgdp) @ 1.73
7 97.7% kyrgyz (hodoglugil) + 2.3% singapore-chinese (sgvp) @ 1.75
8 97.7% kyrgyz (hodoglugil) + 2.3% she (hgdp) @ 1.77
9 98.7% kyrgyz (hodoglugil) + 1.3% iban (xing) @ 1.77
10 97.7% kyrgyz (hodoglugil) + 2.3% chinese (xing) @ 1.78
11 97.8% kyrgyz (hodoglugil) + 2.2% han-chinese-south (1000genomes) @ 1.78
12 97.7% kyrgyz (hodoglugil) + 2.3% han (hgdp) @ 1.79
13 98.5% kyrgyz (hodoglugil) + 1.5% cambodian (hgdp) @ 1.8
14 98.3% kyrgyz (hodoglugil) + 1.7% khmer-cambodian (xing) @ 1.8
15 98.7% kyrgyz (hodoglugil) + 1.3% east-greenlander (rasmussen) @ 1.8
16 98.5% kyrgyz (hodoglugil) + 1.5% singapore-malay (sgvp) @ 1.82
17 97.8% kyrgyz (hodoglugil) + 2.2% chinese-american (hapmap) @ 1.82
18 97.8% kyrgyz (hodoglugil) + 2.2% tujia (hgdp) @ 1.83
19 98.7% kyrgyz (hodoglugil) + 1.3% chukchi (rasmussen) @ 1.83
20 98.4% kyrgyz (hodoglugil) + 1.6% thai (xing) @ 1.85

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?300566-Pamir-Kyrgyz-GEDmatch

[Leto]

But real Avars were totally Siberian people.
Were they Turkic? I honestly know very little about them.

[axlredneck]

Don't think Avars were Turkic.

[Leto]

Anyway, looks like that sample predates the Pannonian Avar period which began in the second half of the 6th cent.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pannonian_Avars
I don't think the ones in Europe would have been that much Mongoloid like modern native Siberians.

[Kaspias]

Were they Turkic? I honestly know very little about them.

They were federation. Everyone who can ride a horse and carry a bow accepted as Avar. Consisted of Turks, Mongols, and others at the same time. We see that their name is written in the same form with the Gokturk alphabet btw.

[Kaspias]

...

[axlredneck]

They were federation. Everyone who can ride a horse and carry a bow accepted as Avar. Consisted of Turks, Mongols, and others at the same time. We see that their name is written in the same form with the Gokturk alphabet btw.

Interesting!

[axlredneck]

Anyway, looks like that sample predates the Pannonian Avar period which began in the second half of the 6th cent.


Hence, Proto-Avar!

[Jana]

Were they Turkic? I honestly know very little about them.

Nobody knows what kind of language Panonnian Avars spoke. But, they did have Turkic styled titles.

[axlredneck]

Avars were indeed Buryat like people, last paper on them said the same.

Was it in relation to the autosomal or Y-dna or both?

[Jana]

Anyway, looks like that sample predates the Pannonian Avar period which began in the second half of the 6th cent.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pannonian_Avars
I don't think the ones in Europe would have been that much Mongoloid like modern native Siberians.

Avar proper skulls from Hungary are antropometrically fully mongoloid. In Byzantine Cronicles, it is written Croats captured Avars they defeated, and assimilated them, and that long time after that, it was visible who was of Avar descent among Croats. It means they were recognizable by their look.

[Hajimurad]

What is the connection between the historc Avars and the Caucasian Avars?

No. This is a confusion based on similarity of names. Different languages, anthropology, genetics and culture. And there are no any evidence supporting settlement of Eurasian Avars in Caucasus. Eurasian Avars should be called Varchonites in order to avoid confusion.

[axlredneck]

Avar skull, from Europe.
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQOrNOvQtGfMlAe750NGN6zRB1yNXIgl UPOe17cUFiPQMQ2Ivlq&s

This one looks very Avar-ish, or even Khazar, IMO:
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn%3AANd9GcQbwOMSKKoZ9avQdClARgYskn7xCV-GiK7dXSXAjwvTks3eC8Ps

[Leto]

Avar proper skulls from Hungary are antropometrically fully mongoloid. In Byzantine Cronicles, it is written Croats captured Avars they defeated, and assimilated them, and that long time after that, it was visible who was of Avar descent among Croats. It means they were recognizable by their look.
Pretty interesting how they race-mixed and gradually disappeared. Also consider the distance - from the depth of Tartary all the way to Central Europe like Hungary and Croatia.

[Kyp]

No. This is a confusion based on similarity of names. Different languages, anthropology, genetics and culture. And there are no any evidence supporting settlement of Eurasian Avars in Caucasus. Eurasian Avars should be called Varchonites in order to avoid confusion.

I was just asking out of being uninformed.

[Impaler]

Avar proper skulls from Hungary are antropometrically fully mongoloid. In Byzantine Cronicles, it is written Croats captured Avars they defeated, and assimilated them, and that long time after that, it was visible who was of Avar descent among Croats. It means they were recognizable by their look.

This one looks fully Mongoloid.

http://i.imgur.com/RfpudIR.jpg (https://imgur.com/RfpudIR)

[ixulescu]

This one looks fully Mongoloid.

http://i.imgur.com/RfpudIR.jpg (https://imgur.com/RfpudIR)

interesting how this hair style was used by Vlachs in the Carpathians until 150 years ago. maybe Hungarians as well.

[axlredneck]

Half Avars probably looked like this guy; he's half Yakut, half Russian.

https://qphs.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-d545059d3e3e60315b5be78a5fe26c63
Source: https://www.quora.com/Are-Russian-Native-Siberian-marriages-common

[Leto]

Yakuts are 90+% East Eurasian, close to 100%. But their EE is even more Siberian than that. Just saying.

[axlredneck]

Yakuts are 90+% East Eurasian, close to 100%. But their EE is even more Siberian than that. Just saying.

But that's the closest I could venture to get a "half Avar - half Euro like" mix in contemporary times.
Ps. Didn't find any half-Burtyat!

[Leto]

But that's the closest I could venture to get a "half Avar - half Euro like" mix in contemporary times.
Ps. Didn't find any half-Burtyat!
I didn't say anything in terms of looks.

[axlredneck]

I didn't say anything in terms of looks.

Oh okay!

[Leto]

Yeah, this one scores more Siberian than NE Asian, which is a little different from Central Asians who normally score more NE-Asian than Siberian.

1 Siberian 48.26
2 NE-Asian 33.89

A Kalmyk, also more NE-Asian than Siberian.

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 NE-Asian 39.19
2 Siberian 34.42
3 NE-Euro 7.3
4 Caucasian 6.7
5 Baloch 5.95
6 Beringian 1.72
7 SE-Asian 1.39
8 S-Indian 1.22
9 American 1.21
10 Papuan 0.64
11 Mediterranean 0.26

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 mongolian (rasmussen) 4.38
2 kyrgyz (hodoglugil) 8.15
3 kyrgyz (xing) 9.68
4 altaian (rasmussen) 13.06
5 kazakh (harappa) 13.77
6 buryat (xing) 15.13
7 oroqen (hgdp) 16.58
8 buryat (rasmussen) 17.98
9 tuvinian (rasmussen) 18.05
10 daur (hgdp) 21.56
11 hezhen (hgdp) 22.6
12 hazara (hgdp) 23.86
13 uyghur (hgdp) 24.52
14 mongola (hgdp) 26.13
15 uzbek (behar) 28.99
16 xibo (hgdp) 29.83
17 nepalese-b (xing) 37.36
18 yukaghir (rasmussen) 37.52
19 tu (hgdp) 40.41
20 burmanese (chaubey) 40.65

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 87.2% mongolian (rasmussen) + 12.8% uyghur (hgdp) @ 2.51
2 68% kyrgyz (hodoglugil) + 32% oroqen (hgdp) @ 2.63
3 69.9% mongolian (rasmussen) + 30.1% kyrgyz (hodoglugil) @ 2.91
4 87.9% mongolian (rasmussen) + 12.1% hazara (hgdp) @ 2.94
5 95.2% mongolian (rasmussen) + 4.8% urkarah (xing) @ 3.01
6 95.4% mongolian (rasmussen) + 4.6% lezgin (behar) @ 3.05
7 95.4% mongolian (rasmussen) + 4.6% chechen (yunusbayev) @ 3.05
8 95.5% mongolian (rasmussen) + 4.5% north-ossetian (yunusbayev) @ 3.13
9 95.2% mongolian (rasmussen) + 4.8% kumyk (yunusbayev) @ 3.14
10 95.1% mongolian (rasmussen) + 4.9% stalskoe (xing) @ 3.14
11 90.4% mongolian (rasmussen) + 9.6% uzbek (behar) @ 3.14
12 95.4% mongolian (rasmussen) + 4.6% balkar (yunusbayev) @ 3.14
13 95.6% mongolian (rasmussen) + 4.4% adygei (hgdp) @ 3.14
14 93.8% mongolian (rasmussen) + 6.2% nogai (yunusbayev) @ 3.14
15 96.2% mongolian (rasmussen) + 3.8% abhkasian (yunusbayev) @ 3.24
16 96.3% mongolian (rasmussen) + 3.7% georgian (behar) @ 3.27
17 94.5% mongolian (rasmussen) + 5.5% tajik (yunusbayev) @ 3.28
18 94.4% mongolian (rasmussen) + 5.6% turkmen (yunusbayev) @ 3.28
19 95.9% mongolian (rasmussen) + 4.1% kurd (yunusbayev) @ 3.4
20 95.6% mongolian (rasmussen) + 4.4% iranian (harappa) @ 3.4

His daughter (half Russian)

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 NE-Euro 31.94
2 Siberian 19.87
3 NE-Asian 18.8
4 Mediterranean 10.54
5 Caucasian 9.81
6 Baloch 6.54
7 Beringian 1.38
8 Papuan 0.47
9 SE-Asian 0.32
10 Pygmy 0.19
11 American 0.12

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 uzbek (behar) 21.85
2 kazakh (harappa) 22.01
3 chuvash (behar) 23.53
4 uyghur (hgdp) 25.31
5 kyrgyz (xing) 26.33
6 kyrgyz (hodoglugil) 27.03
7 hazara (hgdp) 27.46
8 altaian (rasmussen) 30.22
9 nogai (yunusbayev) 30.53
10 romanian-a (behar) 31.88
11 hungarian (behar) 32.85
12 bulgarian (yunusbayev) 32.95
13 slovenian (xing) 33.4
14 mordovian (yunusbayev) 34.11
15 tajik (yunusbayev) 35.13
16 ukranian (yunusbayev) 35.48
17 mongolian (rasmussen) 36.14
18 russian (hgdp) 36.27
19 turk-aydin (hodoglugil) 36.84
20 french (hgdp) 36.84

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 50.5% ukranian (yunusbayev) + 49.5% mongolian (rasmussen) @ 2.3
2 56.8% kyrgyz (hodoglugil) + 43.2% ukranian (yunusbayev) @ 3.48
3 61.9% kazakh (harappa) + 38.1% ukranian (yunusbayev) @ 3.78
4 64.3% kazakh (harappa) + 35.7% belorussian (behar) @ 3.84
5 59.4% kyrgyz (hodoglugil) + 40.6% belorussian (behar) @ 3.88
6 63.6% kazakh (harappa) + 36.4% russian (behar) @ 4.02
7 52% slovenian (xing) + 48% mongolian (rasmussen) @ 4.12
8 58.6% kyrgyz (hodoglugil) + 41.4% russian (behar) @ 4.16
9 52.1% mongolian (rasmussen) + 47.9% belorussian (behar) @ 4.17
10 55.3% ukranian (yunusbayev) + 44.7% buryat (xing) @ 4.3
11 57.7% ukranian (yunusbayev) + 42.3% oroqen (hgdp) @ 4.3
12 51.3% mongolian (rasmussen) + 48.7% russian (behar) @ 4.53
13 55.9% kyrgyz (hodoglugil) + 44.1% mordovian (yunusbayev) @ 4.59
14 52.4% hungarian (behar) + 47.6% mongolian (rasmussen) @ 4.9
15 51.5% mordovian (yunusbayev) + 48.5% mongolian (rasmussen) @ 4.92
16 61.1% kazakh (harappa) + 38.9% mordovian (yunusbayev) @ 4.92
17 59.3% slovenian (xing) + 40.7% oroqen (hgdp) @ 4.92
18 52.6% altaian (rasmussen) + 47.4% slovenian (xing) @ 4.96
19 67.5% kazakh (harappa) + 32.5% lithuanian (behar) @ 5.05
20 60.7% kazakh (harappa) + 39.3% slovenian (xing) @ 5.05

[axlredneck]

A Kalmyk, also more NE-Asian than Siberian.


NE Asian is Tungusic-like?

[Leto]

NE Asian is Tungusic-like?
No, I think Northeast Asians like Northern Han Chinese, Koreans and Japanese score over 70% NE-Asian.
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?303503-Chinese-DNA-results-by-Province-(HarappaWorld)-(NE-asian-SE-asian-Siberian

[Leto]

del

[axlredneck]

No, I think Northeast Asians like Northern Han Chinese, Koreans and Japanese score over 70% NE-Asian.

Hmmm

[axlredneck]

From the paper: Y-chromosome haplogroups from Hun, Avar and conquering Hungarian period nomadic people of the Carpathian Basin (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-019-53105-5):


Most of the Avar-age individuals carry east Eurasian Y haplogroups typical for modern north-eastern Siberian and Buryat populations and their autosomal loci indicate mostly un-admixed Asian characteristics.


The Avar age remains are anthropologically extremely heterogeneous, with considerable proportion of Mongoloid and Europo-Monoloid elements reaching 20–30% on the Great Hungarian Plain2, attesting that the Carpathian Basin witnessed the largest invasion of people from Asia during this period. Most individuals buried with rich grave goods show Mongoloid characters indicating inner Asian origin of the Avar elite, which is also supported by their artifact types, titles (e.g. khagan) and institutions recognized to be derived from Inner Asian Rourans.


From 568 AD the Avars established an empire in the region lasting nearly for 250 years, until they were defeated by the Franks and Bulgars in 803, then their steppe-empire ended around 822 AD.


From the Avar period only a few mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) data are available from two micro-regions which showed 15.3% and 6.52% frequency of East Eurasian elements. A recent manuscript described 23 mitogenomes from the 7th-8th century Avar elite group and found that 64% of the lineages belong to East Asian haplogroups (C, D, F, M, R, Y and Z) with affinities to ancient and modern Inner Asian populations corroborating their Rouran origin.


All N-Hg-s identified in the Avars and Conquerors belonged to N1a1a-M178. We have tested 7 subclades of M178; N1a1a2-B187, N1a1a1a2-B211, N1a1a1a1a3-B197, N1a1a1a1a4-M2118, N1a1a1a1a1a-VL29, N1a1a1a1a2-Z1936 and the N1a1a1a1a2a1c1-L1034 subbranch of Z1936. The European subclades VL29 and Z1936 could be excluded in most cases, while the rest of the suclades are prevalent in Siberia from where this Hg dispersed in a counter-clockwise migratory route to Europe. Avar sample MM/58, did not go into any of the tested M178 subclades, while only N1a1a2 could be excluded for the KB/300 Avar khagan due to low coverage. All the 5 other Avar samples belonged to N1a1a1a1a3-B197, which is most prevalent in Chukchi, Buryats, Eskimos, Koryaks and appears among Tuvans and Mongols with lower frequency.


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Avars were indeed Buryat like people, last paper on them said the same.
Indeed!

[Kaspias]

Yeah, this one scores more Siberian than NE Asian, which is a little different from Central Asians who normally score more NE-Asian than Siberian.

1 Siberian 48.26
2 NE-Asian 33.89


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Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 NE-Euro 27.18
2 Caucasian 25.14
3 Mediterranean 17.06
4 Baloch 9.81
5 SW-Asian 9.44
6 Siberian 5.1
7 Beringian 2.02
8 NE-Asian 1.75
9 S-Indian 1.47
10 Papuan 0.56
11 American 0.22
12 E-African 0.15
13 W-African 0.09

Cousin

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 25.22
2 NE-Euro 24.9
3 Mediterranean 18.51
4 SW-Asian 10.85
5 Baloch 9.47
6 Siberian 4.78
7 S-Indian 2.89
8 NE-Asian 2.37
9 American 0.57
10 W-African 0.45

Friend

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 26.78
2 NE-Euro 23.54
3 Mediterranean 18.39
4 Baloch 10.01
5 SW-Asian 9.1
6 Siberian 5.28
7 S-Indian 2.34
8 NE-Asian 1.95
9 Beringian 1.43
10 American 0.46
11 E-African 0.46
12 Papuan 0.25

[Leto]

I

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 NE-Euro 27.18
2 Caucasian 25.14
3 Mediterranean 17.06
4 Baloch 9.81
5 SW-Asian 9.44
6 Siberian 5.1
7 Beringian 2.02
8 NE-Asian 1.75
9 S-Indian 1.47
10 Papuan 0.56
11 American 0.22
12 E-African 0.15
13 W-African 0.09

Cousin

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 25.22
2 NE-Euro 24.9
3 Mediterranean 18.51
4 SW-Asian 10.85
5 Baloch 9.47
6 Siberian 4.78
7 S-Indian 2.89
8 NE-Asian 2.37
9 American 0.57
10 W-African 0.45

Friend

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 26.78
2 NE-Euro 23.54
3 Mediterranean 18.39
4 Baloch 10.01
5 SW-Asian 9.1
6 Siberian 5.28
7 S-Indian 2.34
8 NE-Asian 1.95
9 Beringian 1.43
10 American 0.46
11 E-African 0.46
12 Papuan 0.25
Now we have found the source of your East Eurasian! :cool:

Volga Tatars have the same Sib-NEA ratio by the way. Like 2:1 or even 3:1.

[Blondie]

Really? I thought they were white, kinda like Slavs, no? Buryat-like and living in Europe?

Many hungarian also think that, this is a popular urban legend among hungarians.

[Kaspias]

Now we have found the source of your East Eurasian! :cool:

Volga Tatars have the same Sib-NEA ratio by the way. Like 2:1 or even 3:1.

What about Crimean Tatars and Anatolian Turks? I don't think i have seen their Harrapa results before

[Dunai]

Many hungarian also think that, this is a popular urban legend among hungarians.

It refers to the Late Avars, those who the Árpádians have found in the Carpathian Basin. They were already almost completely Europanized:

"Whatever was left of Avar power was effectively ended when the Bulgars expanded their territory into the central and eastern portions of traditional Avar lands around 829. According to Pohl, an Avar presence in Pannonia is certain in 871, but thereafter the name is no longer used by chroniclers. Pohl wrote, "It simply proved impossible to keep up an Avar identity after Avar institutions and the high claims of their tradition had failed". Although, Regino wrote about them at the year of 889. The growing number of archaeological evidence in Transdanubia also presumes an Avar population in the Carpathian Basin in the very late 9th century. Archaeological findings suggest a substantial, late Avar presence on the Great Hungarian Plain, however it is difficult to determine their proper chronology. The preliminary results of the new excavations also imply that the known and largely accepted theory of the destruction of the Avar settlement area is outdated, the disastrous depopulation of the Avar Khaganate has never happened.

Byzantine records, including the "Notitia episcopatuumî", the "Additio patriarchicorum thronorumî" by Neilos Doxopatres, the "Chronica" by Petrus Alexandrinus and the "Notitia patriarchatuum" mention the 9th century Avars as an existing Christian population. The Avars had already been mixing with the more numerous Slavs for generations, and they later came under the rule of external polities, such as the Franks, Bulgaria, and Great Moravia.The Avars in the region known as solitudo avarorum—currently called the Alföld—vanished in an arc of three generations. They slowly merged with the Slavs to create a bilingual Turkic-Slavic-speaking people who were subjected to Frankish domination; the invading Magyars found this composite people in the late 9th century. The De Administrando Imperio, written around 950, clearly states the presence of an Avar population in the region of modern-day Croatia."

[Leto]

What about Crimean Tatars and Anatolian Turks? I don't think i have seen their Harrapa results before
Crim-Tatars are generally scarce on Gedmatch and as for Anatolian Turks I think other members have plenty of results, I don't have any at hand right now.

[Blondie]

It refers to the Late Avars, those who the Árpádians have found in the Carpathian Basin. They were already almost completely Europanized:

"Whatever was left of Avar power was effectively ended when the Bulgars expanded their territory into the central and eastern portions of traditional Avar lands around 829. According to Pohl, an Avar presence in Pannonia is certain in 871, but thereafter the name is no longer used by chroniclers. Pohl wrote, "It simply proved impossible to keep up an Avar identity after Avar institutions and the high claims of their tradition had failed". Although, Regino wrote about them at the year of 889. The growing number of archaeological evidence in Transdanubia also presumes an Avar population in the Carpathian Basin in the very late 9th century. Archaeological findings suggest a substantial, late Avar presence on the Great Hungarian Plain, however it is difficult to determine their proper chronology. The preliminary results of the new excavations also imply that the known and largely accepted theory of the destruction of the Avar settlement area is outdated, the disastrous depopulation of the Avar Khaganate has never happened.

Byzantine records, including the "Notitia episcopatuumî", the "Additio patriarchicorum thronorumî" by Neilos Doxopatres, the "Chronica" by Petrus Alexandrinus and the "Notitia patriarchatuum" mention the 9th century Avars as an existing Christian population. The Avars had already been mixing with the more numerous Slavs for generations, and they later came under the rule of external polities, such as the Franks, Bulgaria, and Great Moravia.The Avars in the region known as solitudo avarorum—currently called the Alföld—vanished in an arc of three generations. They slowly merged with the Slavs to create a bilingual Turkic-Slavic-speaking people who were subjected to Frankish domination; the invading Magyars found this composite people in the late 9th century. The De Administrando Imperio, written around 950, clearly states the presence of an Avar population in the region of modern-day Croatia."

This is true but many thinks early avars were also white europeans not mongoloids, i've seen it many times.

[Leto]

Crim-Tatars are generally scarce on Gedmatch and as for Anatolian Turks I think other members have plenty of results, I don't have any at hand right now.
Found a Turk

Turk - T1, R1a1a

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 42.08
2 Baloch 16.42
3 NE-Euro 14.47
4 Mediterranean 8.37
5 SW-Asian 7.14
6 NE-Asian 3.91
7 Siberian 3.33
8 S-Indian 1.29
9 Beringian 1.25
10 Papuan 0.91
11 American 0.83

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 turk-istanbul (hodoglugil) 5.35
2 turk (behar) 7.35
3 turk-kayseri (hodoglugil) 7.71
4 turk-aydin (hodoglugil) 8.08
5 azeri (harappa) 8.54
6 turkish (harappa) 9.07
7 kumyk (yunusbayev) 9.4
8 stalskoe (xing) 11.53
9 nogai (yunusbayev) 13.64
10 armenian (harappa) 13.66
11 iranian (harappa) 14.21
12 kurd (harappa) 14.25
13 kurd (yunusbayev) 14.52
14 balkar (yunusbayev) 14.53
15 chechen (yunusbayev) 14.74
16 uzbekistan-jew (behar) 15.7
17 north-ossetian (yunusbayev) 16.04
18 kurd (xing) 16.07
19 lezgin (behar) 16.11
20 adygei (hgdp) 16.19

[axlredneck]

A female Proto-Avar.

DA177, Kaz_Nomad_HP

Y-DNA: ---
mt-DNA: D4j1b
Region: Central Steppe
Period: Hunnic
Age: 3rd to 6th century AD.

-----
Eurogenes K13 result:
Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Siberian 63.53
2 East_Asian 27.94
3 Amerindian 2.74
4 North_Atlantic 2.56
5 West_Asian 2.52

--------------------------------
Using 1 population approximation:
1 Buryat @ 6.732881
2 Oroqen @ 7.546184
3 Tuvinian @ 10.953559
4 Mongolian @ 16.963058
5 Yakut @ 17.210182
6 Altaian @ 19.741838
7 Evenki @ 23.038284
8 Koryak @ 23.158249
9 Dolgan @ 23.456890
10 Evens @ 25.204424
11 Hakas @ 27.843775
12 Kirgiz @ 29.439655
13 Chukchi @ 29.634632
14 Shors @ 31.932934
15 Kazakh @ 32.271954
16 Ket @ 33.692181
17 Hezhen @ 35.402252
18 Xibo @ 36.830479
19 Selkup @ 36.875515
20 Hazara @ 46.824203

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Buryat +50% Oroqen @ 3.355557

-----
HarappaWorld results:
Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Siberian 46.69
2 NE-Asian 42.93
3 Beringian 3.69
4 NE-Euro 1.65
5 Baloch 1.51
6 American 1.39
7 Mediterranean 1.06

--------------------------------
Using 1 population approximation:
1 oroqen_hgdp @ 5.874140
2 buryat_xing @ 7.580870
3 buryat_rasmussen @ 10.111972
4 mongolian_rasmussen @ 12.222739
5 tuvinian_rasmussen @ 14.667026
6 altaian_rasmussen @ 20.728876
7 daur_hgdp @ 22.370081
8 kyrgyz_hodoglugil @ 23.592627
9 hezhen_hgdp @ 23.657894
10 kyrgyz_xing @ 24.919680
11 kazakh_harappa @ 28.663282
12 mongola_hgdp @ 31.386757
13 xibo_hgdp @ 35.378613
14 yakut_hgdp @ 37.633606
15 yukaghir_rasmussen @ 39.209515
16 yukaghir_rasmussen @ 39.209515
17 hazara_hgdp @ 40.265789
18 dolgan_rasmussen @ 40.840603
19 uyghur_hgdp @ 41.585976
20 evenki_rasmussen @ 44.835037

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% buryat_xing +50% oroqen_hgdp @ 3.098740

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% buryat_xing +25% japanese_1000genomes +25% nganassan_rasmussen @ 2.701980

-----
Global25 SPS:
Distanceto: KAZ_Nomad_HP:DA177
3.932791 Khamnegan
6.614336 Oroqen
6.989056 Nanai
7.176370 Buryat
7.516290 Ulchi
7.547668 Kalmyk
8.009931 Mongolian
8.231970 Daur
8.249049 Nivkh
8.511854 Tuvinian
8.549478 Hezhen
8.723327 Negidal
9.014996 Mogush
10.72015 Todzin
11.09766 Xibo
12.09570 Altaian
12.40653 Mongola
12.76030 Khakass_Kachins
14.33996 Dolgan
14.50916 Sakha
14.62253 Tibetan
14.77078 Yakut
14.77358 Tu
15.23821 Kirghiz
15.40746 Sherpa
15.44069 Yukagir_Tundra
15.58090 Dungan
16.38542 Evenk
16.79448 Koryak
16.98979 Korean

[Ljubic]

How do we know these samples are proto Avar when they have been found in Central Asia though? Any link to an article that states this?

[Imperator Biff]

https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/960853072999512605/B485A90BD0510D48C6ADA3DCAE1578A6861EAD2C/?imw=637&imh=358&ima=fit&impolicy=Letterbox&imcolor=%23000000&letterbox=true

These guys were actually fun to play as.

[axlredneck]

How do we know these samples are proto Avar when they have been found in Central Asia though? Any link to an article that states this?

These samples are labelled as Nomads, and nomads are open to speculation. From the Hungarian Huns, Avars and Conquerors paper we know the Y-DNA, mt-dna and place of origin of Avars. The Y-DNA line of the male nomad DA95 was found in Hungarian Avars aswell! (Checkout the paper) The mt-dna is mentioned as C, D etc. We know from the same paper that their place of origin was Siberia and eastern part of Central Asia.

Ps. They're from Pavlodar region, Kazakhstan.

[Leto]

These samples are labelled as Nomads, and nomads are open to speculation. From the Hungarian Huns, Avars and Conquerors paper we know the Y-DNA, mt-dna and place of origin of Avars. The Y-DNA line of the male nomad DA95 was found in Hungarian Avars aswell! (Checkout the paper) The mt-dna is mentioned in the same paper (C, D etc). We know from the same paper that their place of origin was Siberia and eastern part of Central Asia.

Ps. They're from Pavlodar region, Kazakhstan.
Is this one from the same burial ground?
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?314067-Sarmatian-DNA&p=6475762&viewfull=1#post6475762

[axlredneck]

Is this one from the same burial ground?
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?314067-Sarmatian-DNA&p=6475762&viewfull=1#post6475762

Nope, here are the coordinates: 52.618056,76.749444

[Leto]

Nope, here are the coordinates: 52.618056,76.749444
That's pretty much Siberia, close to Omsk and Novosibirsk.

[axlredneck]

That's pretty much Siberia, close to Omsk and Novosibirsk.

Yep

[Adamastor]

So these guys were chinks? Damn... Maybe Avar admixture is the source of the 1% East Asian I score in GEDmatch? I have some ancestors from Northeast Italy, just bordering Croatia.

[axlredneck]

So these guys were chinks? Damn... Maybe Avar admixture is the source of the 1% East Asian I score in GEDmatch? I have some ancestors from Northeast Italy, just bordering Croatia.

How much EA do you score?

[Token]

So these guys were chinks? Damn... Maybe Avar admixture is the source of the East Asian I score in GEDmatch? I have some ancestors from Northeast Italy, just bordering Croatia.

Most Gothic samples had some degree of Inner Asian admixture, including Iberians buried with Visigothic grave goods. One Gepidic sample from Serbia was more than one-third Asian. I believe elevated Asian that some Iberians and possibly North Italians show may be a sign of Gothic ancestry,

[Adamastor]

How much EA do you score?

~1.5% in most calculators.


Most Gothic samples had some degree of Inner Asian admixture, including Iberians buried with Visigothic grave goods. One Gepidic sample from Serbia was more than one-third Asian. I believe elevated Asian that some Iberians and possibly North Italians show can be a sign of Gothic ancestry,

Interesting.. That's a possible explanation, because doesn't make sense this small percentage being carried through many GEDmatch calculators if it was just noise. Of course there is also the option that GEDmatch calculators suck and are full of noise. But it doesn't show up on puntDNAL K13/K15 or MDLP K16, only in Eurogenes and Harappa World.

The only calculators who give me high East Eurasian 2-3% are those trashy K3 and K4 ones. puntDNAL K10 Ancient as well (it also gives me an immense number of Sub-Saharan lol):

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 WHG 37.15
2 ENF 31.50
3 CHG 24.23
4 Sub-Saharan 3.51
5 E_Asian 2.44
6 ASI 1.17

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance

1 French 8.03
2 Croatian 8.44
...

If I would believe in this thrash I'd think I'm quadriracial. Even ASI lol.

[axlredneck]

What about Crimean Tatars and Anatolian Turks? I don't think i have seen their Harrapa results before

Crimean Steppe Tatars

#1
1 NE-Euro 29.87
2 NE-Asian 17.68
3 Caucasian 14.39
4 Siberian 11.18
5 Mediterranean 11.09
6 Baloch 9.51
7 SW-Asian 2.45
8 Beringian 1.54

#2
1 NE-Euro 27.04
2 Caucasian 17.26
3 NE-Asian 12.85
4 Mediterranean 11.31
5 Baloch 10.41
6 Siberian 10.23
7 SW-Asian 4.22
8 S-Indian 1.83
9 SE-Asian 1.76
10 Beringian 1.61
11 American 1.30

#3
1 NE-Euro 23.81
2 Caucasian 20.08
3 Mediterranean 13.48
4 Siberian 11.63
5 NE-Asian 11.44
6 Baloch 10.42
7 SW-Asian 4.21
8 S-Indian 2.27
9 American 1.19

#4
1 NE-Euro 29.50
2 NE-Asian 15.64
3 Siberian 15.49
4 Caucasian 13.05
5 Mediterranean 12.09
6 Baloch 8.23
7 SW-Asian 3.33
8 American 1.28
9 S-Indian 1.13

[Token]

I think you should get your G25 coordinates and see if you can be modelled with the Gepidic sample. The problem is that your European ancestry is mixed, so elevated North European that should accompany Gothic admixture may be hard to differentiate.

[Jana]

So these guys were chinks? Damn... Maybe Avar admixture is the source of the 1% East Asian I score in GEDmatch? I have some ancestors from Northeast Italy, just bordering Croatia.

Huns operated in NE Italy, Venice was founded by refugees who were escaping from them.

[Jana]

Most Gothic samples had some degree of Inner Asian admixture, including Iberians buried with Visigothic grave goods. One Gepidic sample from Serbia was more than one-third Asian. I believe elevated Asian that some Iberians and possibly North Italians show may be a sign of Gothic ancestry,

I believe those Germanics were mixed with Huns. Huns has Germanic allies among others.

[axlredneck]

Crimean Steppe Tatars

#5
1 Caucasian 28.97
2 NE-Euro 18.13
3 Baloch 14.29
4 NE-Asian 13.12
5 Siberian 9.73
6 Mediterranean 6.20
7 SW-Asian 4.54
8 Beringian 2.61
9 S-Indian 1.51

[Dick]

I believe those Germanics were mixed with Huns. Huns has Germanic allies among others.

Anyone that opposed Rome were their allies

[Token]

I believe those Germanics were mixed with Huns. Huns has Germanic allies among others.

East Germanic people seems to have mixed a lot with steppe people during their stay in the steppe around the Black Sea. There were cultural exchanges too, especially in the case of the Gepids. Most of those Bavarian women with artificially deformed skulls and exotic ancestry that people thought were Huns were actually buried with Ostrogothic brooches.

[Blondie]

I believe those Germanics were mixed with Huns. Huns has Germanic allies among others.

By the way nomad magyars had tons of germanic maternal genetic, very possible these came from ostrogoths.

[axlredneck]

East Germanic people seems to have mixed a lot with steppe people during their stay in the steppe around the Black Sea. There were cultural exchanges too, especially in the case of the Gepids. Most of those Bavarian women with artificially deformed skulls and exotic ancestry that people thought were Huns were actually buried with Ostrogothic brooches.

Steppe nomads + Germanic nomads = Legendary!

[Kaspias]

I think you should get your G25 coordinates and see if you can be modelled with the Gepidic sample. The problem is that your European ancestry is mixed, so elevated North European that should accompany Gothic admixture may be hard to differentiate.

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?313596-A-closer-look-to-Huns


ACD1108-Asian,0.097235026,-0.096510911,0.041050819,0.017287724,-0.05452634,0.014600658,-0.010443877,0.013607258,-0.023512403,-0.031546441,-0.007330063,-0.023789677,-0.000459454,-0.010383825,0.010588653,-0.004878186,-0.01502038,-0.008960828,-0.033540445,0.01656238,-0.030067907,-0.018610508,-0.011591901,-0.012675738,-0.024647409
Gepid_Vim2-Asian,0.0635415,-0.144641517,0.064138343,0.055014217,-0.026589747,0.016584634,0.016804319,0.01958272,-0.003477753,-0.016062534,-0.028248679,-0.006064776,0.000333201,-0.023531294,0.023652899,-0.006729632,-0.000302578,0.010845124,0.009406123,0.0051311,-0.01217563,0.036758582,0.018522935,0.020123632,-0.004014613

[Token]

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?313596-A-closer-look-to-Huns


ACD1108-Asian,0.097235026,-0.096510911,0.041050819,0.017287724,-0.05452634,0.014600658,-0.010443877,0.013607258,-0.023512403,-0.031546441,-0.007330063,-0.023789677,-0.000459454,-0.010383825,0.010588653,-0.004878186,-0.01502038,-0.008960828,-0.033540445,0.01656238,-0.030067907,-0.018610508,-0.011591901,-0.012675738,-0.024647409
Gepid_Vim2-Asian,0.0635415,-0.144641517,0.064138343,0.055014217,-0.026589747,0.016584634,0.016804319,0.01958272,-0.003477753,-0.016062534,-0.028248679,-0.006064776,0.000333201,-0.023531294,0.023652899,-0.006729632,-0.000302578,0.010845124,0.009406123,0.0051311,-0.01217563,0.036758582,0.018522935,0.020123632,-0.004014613


Nice analysis :victory0:

[axlredneck]

Avar skulls:
https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5548/10404646934_2c09c9f221_o.jpghttps://farm4.staticflickr.com/3729/10404658865_f05445d91f_o.jpg

Hun skulls:
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn%3AANd9GcQF46-FlkrTjviBrpBmqteBRI1PizXyHdlj-UzEZPqZaMWvX78khttps://i.dailymail.co.uk/1/2018/03/13/08/2486988-5492637-Photo_provided_by_the_State_collection_for_Anthrop ology_and_Pala-a-4_1520930895437.jpghttps://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1c/Sch%C3%A4del_der_Chongos.jpg
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4e/%C2%AB_d%C3%A9formation_toulousaine_%C2%BB_MHNT.jp g/220px-%C2%AB_d%C3%A9formation_toulousaine_%C2%BB_MHNT.jp g

Hungarian Conqueror skulls:
https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Endre_Neparaczki/publication/328838742/figure/fig4/AS:691080223789059@1541777773550/Skulls-and-sculpting-craniofacial-reconstructions-of-Hungarian-Conqueror-individuals-A.jpg

[axlredneck]

What about Crimean Tatars and Anatolian Turks? I don't think i have seen their Harrapa results before

ANATOLIAN Turks

#1
# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 34.28
2 NE-Euro 14.95
3 Mediterranean 13.21
4 Baloch 12.13
5 SW-Asian 8.94
6 NE-Asian 8.18
7 Siberian 5.84
8 Beringian 0.91
9 Papuan 0.81
10 Pygmy 0.47
11 S-Indian 0.28

#2
# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 36.75
2 Baloch 16.77
3 SW-Asian 10.13
4 NE-Euro 9.16
5 Mediterranean 8.85
6 Siberian 6.76
7 NE-Asian 4.98
8 S-Indian 3.53
9 Beringian 0.99
10 American 0.73
11 SE-Asian 0.72
12 E-African 0.47
13 Pygmy 0.17

#3
# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 33.6
2 Mediterranean 17.02
3 NE-Euro 15.72
4 Baloch 13.28
5 SW-Asian 9.86
6 Siberian 4.64
7 NE-Asian 3.53
8 Papuan 0.84
9 American 0.56
10 S-Indian 0.51
11 Beringian 0.44

#4
# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 32.83
2 NE-Euro 18.2
3 Baloch 13.9
4 Mediterranean 13.32
5 SW-Asian 7.82
6 NE-Asian 5.85
7 Siberian 5.57
8 Beringian 1.06
9 S-Indian 0.64
10 E-African 0.48
11 Papuan 0.19
12 SE-Asian 0.14

#5
# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 32.7
2 Baloch 14.22
3 Mediterranean 13.61
4 NE-Euro 13.35
5 SW-Asian 9.62
6 Siberian 7.26
7 NE-Asian 6.61
8 S-Indian 1.49
9 Beringian 0.98
10 Papuan 0.16

#6
# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 34.02
2 Baloch 14.7
3 NE-Euro 14.46
4 Mediterranean 12.58
5 SW-Asian 9.33
6 NE-Asian 7.35
7 Siberian 4.98
8 Beringian 1.73
9 W-African 0.39
10 American 0.34
11 Papuan 0.1

#7
# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 36.19
2 Mediterranean 16.87
3 Baloch 13.58
4 NE-Euro 13.45
5 SW-Asian 8.16
6 NE-Asian 3.8
7 Siberian 3.62
8 S-Indian 1.84
9 E-African 1.25
10 Beringian 1.24

#8
# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 37.02
2 NE-Euro 15.42
3 Mediterranean 13.3
4 Baloch 13
5 SW-Asian 9.97
6 Siberian 6.14
7 NE-Asian 3.08
8 Beringian 0.9
9 SE-Asian 0.79
10 Papuan 0.34
11 San 0.05
12 S-Indian 0.01

#9
# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 36.13
2 Baloch 14.73
3 Mediterranean 13.51
4 NE-Euro 13.32
5 SW-Asian 8.02
6 Siberian 7.33
7 NE-Asian 3.91
8 American 1.47
9 S-Indian 0.79
10 E-African 0.28
11 SE-Asian 0.2
12 W-African 0.15
13 Papuan 0.13
14 San 0.02

#10
# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 33.57
2 Baloch 15.02
3 NE-Euro 15.02
4 Mediterranean 13.99
5 SW-Asian 8.46
6 NE-Asian 5.27
7 Siberian 5.23
8 Beringian 1.57
9 SE-Asian 0.74
10 Papuan 0.55
11 American 0.55
12 San 0.03

[axlredneck]

...

[Chelubey]

This is undoubtedly the success of geneticists in solving the mystery of origin of Avar. Buryaad (also baryad) from "Burya" ( "ad " -plural affix). Slavic name of Avars is "Obr" - possibly from "Burya" .
Varchonites is possibly a phonetic variant of the name of this tribe - *bargyn (singular).