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Rocc0

02-29-2020, 01:46 PM

Its simple calculator,use unscaled and more accurate on 0.25X and 0.5X.

BALTIC:V11_1,0.0118,0.0116,0.0226,0.0281,0.0134,0. 0142,0.0041,0.006,-0.0002,-0.0161,0.0004,-0.0159,0.0148,0.0173,-0.0036,-0.006,0.0112,-0.0007,0.0015,0.0068,0.0041,-0.0064,0.0024,-0.0082,-0.0016
ILLYRIAN:I3313,0.0116,0.0149,0.009,-0.005,0.0081,-0.0021,-0.0027,0.0031,0.0018,0.0159,0.0011,0.0078,-0.0142,-0.001,-0.0044,-0.0064,-0.005,0.0039,0.0044,-0.0114,-0.0015,0.0041,0.0012,0.0021,0.0028
THRACIAN:I5769,0.0111,0.0155,0.0019,-0.0158,0.0097,-0.0081,0.0018,-0.0006,0.0038,0.0176,-0.0009,0.0038,-0.0094,-0.0022,-0.0111,-0.0011,0.0105,0.0055,0.005,-0.0118,-0.005,0.0038,-0.0064,0.0029,-0.0074
GREEK:I9006,0.0105,0.0158,-0.0018,-0.0212,0.0047,-0.0126,-0.0013,-0.003,-0.0014,0.0275,0.0027,0.0101,-0.0063,0.0021,-0.0146,-0.004,0.0189,0.006,0.0167,-0.0003,-0.006,-0.01,-0.0089,-0.0005,-0.0015
IBERIAN,0.011,0.0141,0.01725,0.00355,0.01885,0.001 2,-0.00145,0.00195,0.01275,0.0192,-0.00135,0.0059,-0.0114,-0.0062,0.0079,5e-05,-0.00635,7e-04,-1e-04,-6e-04,0.0066,0.0019,-0.00575,-0.0098,-0.0051
DACIAN:DA195,0.0103,0.0136,0.0098,0.0042,0.0102,0. 0014,-0.0001,-0.0003,0.0041,0.0087,-0.002,-0.0022,-0.0008,0.0005,-0.0118,0.0087,0.0092,0.0055,0.0059,-0.0005,-0.0093,-0.0062,0.0068,-0.0038,-0.0033

Pedro Ruben

02-29-2020, 01:53 PM

Target: Pedro
Distance: 1.8582% / 0.01858215
51.4 IBERIAN
41.4 ILLYRIAN
7.2 BALTIC

Target: Pedro
Distance: 1.8611% / 0.01861109 | ADC: 0.25x
53.0 IBERIAN
41.4 ILLYRIAN
5.6 BALTIC

Ion Basescul

02-29-2020, 01:56 PM

Mix of Baltic and Illyrian = Dacian?

Target: Ion_Basescul_unscaled
Distance: 1.5379% / 0.01537936
63.0 DACIAN
25.4 BALTIC
11.6 THRACIAN

Target: Ion_Basescul_mom_unscaled
Distance: 1.4356% / 0.01435559
50.0 DACIAN
39.6 BALTIC
5.6 GREEK
4.4 ILLYRIAN
0.4 THRACIAN

Target: Ion_Basescul_dad_unscaled
Distance: 1.6338% / 0.01633778
43.2 BALTIC
26.2 DACIAN
23.0 ILLYRIAN
7.6 THRACIAN

mitalit

02-29-2020, 02:00 PM

Target: Xabier
Distance: 2.6044% / 0.02604389
51.4 IBERIAN
26.4 ILLYRIAN
22.2 DACIAN

Target: Xabier
Distance: 2.6047% / 0.02604718 | ADC: 0.25x
52.2 IBERIAN
26.6 ILLYRIAN
21.2 DACIAN

Nurzat

02-29-2020, 02:12 PM

Target: Nurzat_unscaled
Distance: 1.2738% / 0.01273815

45.2 DACIAN
30.8 BALTIC
16.0 ILLYRIAN
8.0 THRACIAN

Ion Basescul

02-29-2020, 02:14 PM

Target: Nurzat_unscaled
Distance: 1.2738% / 0.01273815

45.2 DACIAN
30.8 BALTIC
16.0 ILLYRIAN
8.0 THRACIAN

Wow, you are full Ukrainian.

Nurzat

02-29-2020, 02:16 PM

Wow, you are full Ukrainian.

who said I was, smartass? I am half Moldovan

Ion Basescul

02-29-2020, 02:20 PM

who said I was, smartass? I am half Moldovan

Ah sorry, you looked so different from Romanians, I thought you were East Slavic.

Nurzat

02-29-2020, 02:28 PM

Ah sorry, you looked so different from Romanians, I thought you were East Slavic.

never said I do, so stop your lame bullying, Southerner

Rocc0

02-29-2020, 02:29 PM

PT Tagus

02-29-2020, 03:22 PM

Target: PT_Tagus
Distance: 1.6157% / 0.01615703
66.6 IBERIAN
18.8 ILLYRIAN
11.8 THRACIAN
2.8 BALTIC

Target: PT_Tagus
Distance: 1.6201% / 0.01620091 | ADC: 0.25x
68.6 IBERIAN
20.4 ILLYRIAN
9.6 THRACIAN
1.4 BALTIC

Target: PT_Tagus
Distance: 1.6457% / 0.01645723 | ADC: 0.5x
72.4 IBERIAN
23.4 ILLYRIAN
4.2 THRACIAN

Defcon2

02-29-2020, 03:35 PM

Target: Juan
Distance: 2.0780% / 0.02077991
51.4 ILLYRIAN
48.0 IBERIAN
0.6 THRACIAN

Target: Juan
Distance: 2.0781% / 0.02078062 | ADC: 0.25x
52.2 ILLYRIAN
47.8 IBERIAN

Target: Juan
Distance: 2.0781% / 0.02078125 | ADC: 0.5x
52.6 ILLYRIAN
47.4 IBERIAN

Impaler

02-29-2020, 03:49 PM

Target: Impaler
Distance: 1.6725% / 0.01672505
36.8 DACIAN
33.8 ILLYRIAN
16.8 BALTIC
8.6 THRACIAN
4.0 GREEK

Target: Impaler
Distance: 1.6871% / 0.01687063 | ADC: 0.25x
46.2 DACIAN
34.6 ILLYRIAN
12.4 BALTIC
6.8 THRACIAN

Bosniensis

02-29-2020, 03:56 PM

Target: Bosniensis
Distance: 1.7683% / 0.01768335
36.4 ILLYRIAN
33.0 BALTIC
29.6 DACIAN
1.0 GREEK

celticdragongod

02-29-2020, 04:51 PM

Distance to: CDG
0.03987010 IBERIAN
0.04296208 ILLYRIAN:I3313
0.04666230 DACIAN:DA195
0.05981137 THRACIAN:I5769
0.06016020 BALTIC:V11_1
0.07504112 GREEK:I9006

Target: CDG
Distance: 3.9870% / 0.03987010 | ADC: 2x
100.0 IBERIAN

Target: CDG
Distance: 3.5476% / 0.03547609 | ADC: 1x
66.6 IBERIAN
24.6 ILLYRIAN
8.8 BALTIC

Target: CDG
Distance: 3.3270% / 0.03327013 | ADC: 0.5x
48.0 IBERIAN
30.2 ILLYRIAN
21.8 BALTIC

Target: CDG
Distance: 3.3100% / 0.03309986 | ADC: 0.25x
42.8 IBERIAN
31.8 ILLYRIAN
25.4 BALTIC

Target: CDG
Distance: 3.3088% / 0.03308783
41.2 IBERIAN
32.2 ILLYRIAN
26.6 BALTIC

Kaspias

02-29-2020, 05:45 PM

You added Iberian but no Turkic? :D

Coastal Elite

02-29-2020, 05:50 PM

Target: DacoCeltic
Distance: 1.9099% / 0.01909900
54.2 ILLYRIAN
19.4 BALTIC
13.6 IBERIAN
12.8 DACIAN

Target: DacoCeltic
Distance: 1.9130% / 0.01912969 | ADC: 0.25x
54.2 ILLYRIAN
17.4 BALTIC
15.0 DACIAN
13.4 IBERIAN

istance to: DacoCeltic
0.02748290 ILLYRIAN:I3313
0.03088624 DACIAN:DA195
0.03391865 IBERIAN
0.03972870 THRACIAN:I5769
0.05737752 BALTIC:V11_1
0.05743797 GREEK:I9006

Rocc0

02-29-2020, 06:15 PM

You added Iberian but no Turkic? :D

These are only ironage samples , what ironage turkic sample is good for balkans?

JohnnyP

02-29-2020, 06:26 PM

Target: JohnnyP
Distance: 1.3986% / 0.01398637 | ADC: 0.25x
41.6 DACIAN
30.2 BALTIC
25.6 THRACIAN
2.6 GREEK

Target: JohnnyP
Distance: 1.3767% / 0.01376741
31.8 BALTIC
30.6 DACIAN
30.4 THRACIAN
7.2 GREEK

Distance to: JohnnyP
0.02113173 DACIAN:DA195
0.03890167 ILLYRIAN:I3313
0.03966863 THRACIAN:I5769
0.04584899 BALTIC:V11_1
0.04776458 IBERIAN
0.05130877 GREEK:I9006

Kaspias

02-29-2020, 06:31 PM

These are only ironage samples , what ironage turkic sample is good for balkans?

TKM_IA = Iranic
Scythian_Zevakino_Chilikta_IA = Turkic

Rocc0

02-29-2020, 06:40 PM

Update
+Iranic,Turkic and Etruscan.

BALTIC:V11_1,0.0118,0.0116,0.0226,0.0281,0.0134,0. 0142,0.0041,0.006,-0.0002,-0.0161,0.0004,-0.0159,0.0148,0.0173,-0.0036,-0.006,0.0112,-0.0007,0.0015,0.0068,0.0041,-0.0064,0.0024,-0.0082,-0.0016
ILLYRIAN:I3313,0.0116,0.0149,0.009,-0.005,0.0081,-0.0021,-0.0027,0.0031,0.0018,0.0159,0.0011,0.0078,-0.0142,-0.001,-0.0044,-0.0064,-0.005,0.0039,0.0044,-0.0114,-0.0015,0.0041,0.0012,0.0021,0.0028
THRACIAN:I5769,0.0111,0.0155,0.0019,-0.0158,0.0097,-0.0081,0.0018,-0.0006,0.0038,0.0176,-0.0009,0.0038,-0.0094,-0.0022,-0.0111,-0.0011,0.0105,0.0055,0.005,-0.0118,-0.005,0.0038,-0.0064,0.0029,-0.0074
GREEK:I9006,0.0105,0.0158,-0.0018,-0.0212,0.0047,-0.0126,-0.0013,-0.003,-0.0014,0.0275,0.0027,0.0101,-0.0063,0.0021,-0.0146,-0.004,0.0189,0.006,0.0167,-0.0003,-0.006,-0.01,-0.0089,-0.0005,-0.0015
IBERIAN,0.011,0.0141,0.01725,0.00355,0.01885,0.001 2,-0.00145,0.00195,0.01275,0.0192,-0.00135,0.0059,-0.0114,-0.0062,0.0079,5e-05,-0.00635,7e-04,-1e-04,-6e-04,0.0066,0.0019,-0.00575,-0.0098,-0.0051
DACIAN:DA195,0.0103,0.0136,0.0098,0.0042,0.0102,0. 0014,-0.0001,-0.0003,0.0041,0.0087,-0.002,-0.0022,-0.0008,0.0005,-0.0118,0.0087,0.0092,0.0055,0.0059,-0.0005,-0.0093,-0.0062,0.0068,-0.0038,-0.0033
TURKIC:IS2,0.0089,-0.003,0.0102,0.0167,-0.0118,0.0047,-0.001,-0.0036,-0.0062,-0.0102,-0.006,0.0056,0.0007,-0.0201,0.0078,0.011,-0.0005,-0.0014,-0.0017,0.0058,-0.0031,-0.0025,-0.0035,0.0015,-0.011
IRANIC:DA382,0.0091,0.0092,-0.0048,0.0131,-0.0114,0.0093,0.0015,-0.0015,-0.0217,-0.0224,-0.0068,-0.0003,0.0004,-0.0135,0.0178,0.0131,-0.0104,-0.0007,0.0012,-0.0091,0.001,0.0008,0.0015,0.0075,0.0016
ETRUSCAN,0.0109,0.01525,0.00955,-0.00445,0.0134,-0.00095,5e-04,-0.00135,0.00985,0.019,-0.002,0.0081,-0.01085,-0.0043,-0.00345,-0.0051,-0.00215,0.0056,0.0092,-0.0019,-0.0038,0.0016,-0.00155,-0.00035,-0.00255

andre

02-29-2020, 06:45 PM

Target: Andrei
Distance: 2.2563% / 0.02256251 | ADC: 0.25x
56.0 ILLYRIAN
31.4 BALTIC
9.0 THRACIAN
3.6 DACIAN

Kaspias

02-29-2020, 06:48 PM

Target: Kaspias
Distance: 1.7243% / 0.01724264 | ADC: 0.25x
38.6 DACIAN
21.2 GREEK
17.8 TURKIC
14.4 IRANIC
8.0 THRACIAN

Target: Kaspias_Cousin
Distance: 1.5605% / 0.01560533 | ADC: 0.25x
50.6 DACIAN
15.6 IRANIC
12.4 THRACIAN
11.8 GREEK
8.0 TURKIC
1.6 BALTIC

Target: Kaspias
Distance: 1.8320% / 0.01832020 | ADC: 0.5x
49.2 DACIAN
18.4 TURKIC
15.0 THRACIAN
9.4 GREEK
8.0 IRANIC

Target: Kaspias_Cousin
Distance: 1.6910% / 0.01691004 | ADC: 0.5x
65.0 DACIAN
17.6 THRACIAN
10.8 IRANIC
6.6 TURKIC

Rocc0

02-29-2020, 07:07 PM

Some Balkanites results:
https://i.imgur.com/EuByFnz.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/pO7fcVP.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/s6ayOgi.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/OVvk3jE.jpg

Hapanuwa

02-29-2020, 07:19 PM

Target: Hapanuwa
Distance: 2.3055% / 0.02305494 | ADC: 0.5x
27.6 IRANIC
26.6 THRACIAN
15.8 GREEK
12.8 ILLYRIAN
12.2 DACIAN
5.0 TURKIC

Target: Hapanuwa
Distance: 2.2325% / 0.02232546 | ADC: 0.25x
33.0 IRANIC
28.8 GREEK
17.0 THRACIAN
9.4 ILLYRIAN
6.0 DACIAN
5.0 TURKIC
0.8 BALTIC

Impaler

02-29-2020, 07:44 PM

Target: Impaler
Distance: 1.2502% / 0.01250170 | ADC: 0.25x
40.6 DACIAN
21.4 ILLYRIAN
17.8 IRANIC
8.0 GREEK
7.2 BALTIC
5.0 THRACIAN

Target: Impaler
Distance: 1.4322% / 0.01432235 | ADC: 0.5x
60.4 DACIAN
26.0 ILLYRIAN
13.6 IRANIC

Rocc0

02-29-2020, 07:48 PM

Results for DACIAN:DA195 from this calculator.
Target: DACIAN:DA195
Distance: 2.0103% / 0.02010332 | ADC: 0.5x
36.0 ETRUSCAN
30.4 THRACIAN
26.2 BALTIC
5.6 TURKIC
1.8 GREEK

Target: DACIAN:DA195
Distance: 1.9170% / 0.01916968 | ADC: 0.25x
28.8 BALTIC
24.8 ETRUSCAN
23.8 THRACIAN
13.2 GREEK
9.4 TURKIC

Distance to: DACIAN:DA195
0.03224283 ETRUSCAN
0.03660287 THRACIAN:I5769
0.03674956 ILLYRIAN:I3313
0.04272815 IBERIAN
0.04770283 GREEK:I9006
0.05273964 TURKIC:IS2
0.05426712 BALTIC:V11_1
0.06672428 IRANIC:DA382

Brás Garcia de Mascarenhas

02-29-2020, 07:49 PM

Rocc0

02-29-2020, 07:59 PM

Balkan Iron-Age with an Iberian component? :) Anyway, these are my results:

Target: Viriato
Distance: 1.9343% / 0.01934329 | ADC: 0.25x
55.4 IBERIAN
39.6 ILLYRIAN
5.0 DACIAN

Target: Viriato
Distance: 1.9486% / 0.01948649 | ADC: 0.5x
58.0 IBERIAN
42.0 ILLYRIAN

Yes , i think west medditeranean contrubuted on ironage genetics on Balkans, you can see iberians on pca is between DACIAN:195 , ETRUSCAN and ILLYRIAN.
https://i.imgur.com/3CRpS4O.jpg

Kaspias

02-29-2020, 08:08 PM

@Deniz

Target: Deniz
Distance: 1.9922% / 0.01992222 | ADC: 0.5x
66.4 ILLYRIAN
25.0 BALTIC
8.6 IRANIC

Target: Deniz
Distance: 1.8717% / 0.01871712 | ADC: 0.25x
50.2 ILLYRIAN
26.6 BALTIC
13.4 IRANIC
9.8 GREEK

andre

02-29-2020, 09:10 PM

andre

02-29-2020, 09:11 PM

Comunque Rocco sei italiano no? Di dove sei?

Ion Basescul

02-29-2020, 09:25 PM

I think That we shouldn’t use “Dacians” as single category.. infact we don’t have “dacian” samples but only some speculative scythians with Mediterranean/thracian autosomal dna. Were the Dacians thracian-like? Were the Getae and dacians the sample people? We don’t know. I hope that one day someone publishes a Paper with some Late bronze age/iron age samples from Romania.

We have a lack of genetic samples in the balkans.. we use only the samples scy197 scy300 and BGR_ia for describe the enormous thracian “ethnicity”

Correct me if i wrong :)

The sample used here for Dacians is a "Scythian" from Szeged, Hungary (DA195) who is labelled to have lived somewhere between 750 to 350BCE.
I would argue that DA198 is probably a better representation of that, but we really need more samples to understand the average profile.

andre

02-29-2020, 09:27 PM

The sample used here for Dacians is a "Scythian" from Szeged, Hungary (DA195) who is labelled to have lived somewhere between 750 to 350BCE.
I would argue that DA198 is probably a better representation of that, but we really need more samples to understand the average profile.

That “scythian” could be a Balkanic thracian and not a Carpathic dacian that’s the problem.

Abdelnour

02-29-2020, 11:01 PM

Target: Unscaled
Distance: 3.4265% / 0.03426474
44.6 GREEK
34.4 IRANIC
17.8 THRACIAN
3.2 DACIAN

Target: Unscaled
Distance: 3.4296% / 0.03429612 | ADC: 0.25x
40.6 GREEK
32.4 IRANIC
22.4 THRACIAN
4.6 DACIAN

Target: Unscaled
Distance: 3.4735% / 0.03473483 | ADC: 0.5x
35.6 THRACIAN
29.6 GREEK
26.6 IRANIC
8.2 DACIAN

Distance to: Unscaled
0.04327933 THRACIAN:I5769
0.04649548 DACIAN:DA195
0.04963275 GREEK:I9006
0.05090638 ILLYRIAN:I3313
0.05177886 ETRUSCAN
0.06118068 IBERIAN
0.06306568 TURKIC:IS2
0.06533850 IRANIC:DA382
0.07948251 BALTIC:V11_1

Gallop

03-01-2020, 12:03 AM

Target: Gallop
Distance: 1.6170% / 0.01617038

89.6 IBERIAN
8.0 THRACIAN
2.4 DACIAN

+ Dark ages Balkans Andre unscaled calculator

Target: Gallop
Distance: 1.4205% / 0.01420533

85.8 IBERIAN
11.0 Turanic_invasion
3.2 Vlach

Bosniensis

03-01-2020, 09:07 AM

Target: Bosniensis
Distance: 1.7414% / 0.01741440
32.0 ILLYRIAN
31.8 BALTIC
27.2 DACIAN
5.4 IRANIC
3.6 GREEK

Ford

03-01-2020, 09:09 AM

Target: Ford
Distance: 1.2940% / 0.01294019 | ADC: 0.5x
76.6 DACIAN
23.4 BALTIC

Target: Ford
Distance: 1.1711% / 0.01171072 | ADC: 0.25x
59.4 DACIAN
30.2 BALTIC
5.6 GREEK
4.8 ILLYRIAN

Target: Ford
Distance: 1.1491% / 0.01149077
49.2 DACIAN
34.0 BALTIC
9.8 GREEK
6.0 ILLYRIAN
1.0 THRACIAN