View Full Version : Czechs, Slovaks, Slovenians comparison
Using ancient samples.
Target: Czech
Distance: 1.2148% / 0.01214803 | ADC: 0.25x
56.4 Slavic
34.8 Germanic
8.8 Balkan
Target: Slovak
Distance: 1.9245% / 0.01924461 | ADC: 0.25x
85.2 Slavic
10.4 Balkan
4.4 Germanic
Target: Slovenian
Distance: 1.0530% / 0.01053036 | ADC: 0.25x
63.4 Slavic
25.6 Balkan
5.6 Celtic
5.4 Germanic
If those G25 averages are close to being representative, Slovaks are lot more Slavic than Czechs. In fact, Czechs are less Slavic than Slovenians, Croats and Bosnians (offtopic, but score similar Slavic percentage as Slovenes)
I also find interesting how Czechs and Slovaks fail to register Celtic admixture, and Hallstatt Celtic sample I used comes from Cezch Republic in fact. Slovenians score little bit Celtic.
Czechs are very Germanic admixed, Slovaks and Slovenes a little (seems Germanic input is very overrated in Slovenians). Balkan input in Czechs and Slovaks doesn't suprise, some Vlachs migrated there in the past (and south Slavs like Croats)
Again, if these averages are representative. G25 has many averages which are not.
Poles and Ukrainians in comparison.
Target: Ukrainian
Distance: 1.1862% / 0.01186244 | ADC: 0.25x
100.0 Slavic :D
Target: Polish
Distance: 1.1353% / 0.01135289 | ADC: 0.25x
90.8 Slavic
9.2 Germanic
Kamal900
02-29-2020, 10:00 PM
It's very well known that Czechs have significant Germanic and Celtic admixtures in their genepool.
https://brnodaily.com/2017/10/27/breaking-news/research-shows-only-one-third-of-czechs-have-slavic-roots-press/
It's very well known that Czechs have significant Germanic and Celtic admixtures in their genepool.
https://brnodaily.com/2017/10/27/breaking-news/research-shows-only-one-third-of-czechs-have-slavic-roots-press/
It seems they don't have much Celtic, at least according to G25. Even if I remove Early Slav Czech sample which was little Celtic admixed and only keep ''pure'' early Slav from Hungary, they get this.
Target: Czech
Distance: 1.1891% / 0.01189066
55.2 Slavic
34.8 Germanic
10.0 Balkan
Target: Czech
Distance: 1.2811% / 0.01281092 | ADC: 0.25x
56.2 Slavic
34.2 Germanic
9.4 Balkan
0.2 Celtic
More Balkan than Celtic. But G25 is not perfect tool.
vbnetkhio
02-29-2020, 10:10 PM
Again, if these averages are representative. G25 has many averages which are not.
you can fill the gap with k13 results. k13 oracles are usually very similar to g25.
Edit: Early Slavic sample from Czech Republic has little bit local Celtic admixture, and it's one of 3 Slavic samples I used. So perhaps that's why West Slavs score no Celtic, Slav input absorbed part of it.
is it any different with Lech_EBA for Celtic and Norwegian for Germanic?
Kamal900
02-29-2020, 10:12 PM
It seems they don't have much Celtic, at least according to G25. Even if I remove Early Slav Czech sample which was little Celtic admixed and only keep ''pure'' early Slav from Hungary, they get this.
Target: Czech
Distance: 1.1891% / 0.01189066
55.2 Slavic
34.8 Germanic
10.0 Balkan
Target: Czech
Distance: 1.2811% / 0.01281092 | ADC: 0.25x
56.2 Slavic
34.2 Germanic
9.4 Balkan
0.2 Celtic
More Balkan than Celtic. But G25 is not perfect tool.
Well, Celts and Germanic peoples are genetically pretty close to one another really. Anyway, it seem to be very consistent with the study from 2017 in regards of the genetic structure of Czechs being a mixture between Slavs and the native Germanic peoples. Surprising to see that Polaks don't get as much as their Czechs cousins. As for Slovenians, it's pretty well apparent that they're genetically more Slavic than Balkan which true for the Croats and Bosniaks, though more than 30% of their DNA derives from the ancient Balkanic peoples with some Germanic and Celtic in the mix. Genetics is just as beautiful thing, don't you agree?
Pribislav
02-29-2020, 10:14 PM
Balkan in Czechs might be from Moravian Vlachs.
Kamal900
02-29-2020, 10:20 PM
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Btw, can you send me the calculator? I'm curious to see my own results.
you can fill the gap with k13 results. k13 oracles are usually very similar to g25.
Yes, I should run them on K13 ancient.
is it any different with Lech_EBA for Celtic and Norwegian for Germanic?
Can't find Lech sample on spreadsheet. If I substitude medieval Germany with Norwegian, almost nothing changes. Still no Celtic.
vbnetkhio
02-29-2020, 10:27 PM
Can't find Lech sample on spreadsheet. If I substitude medieval Germany with Norwegian, almost nothing changes. Still no Celtic.
it's called DEU_Lech_EBA
Well, Celts and Germanic peoples are genetically pretty close to one another really. Anyway, it seem to be very consistent with the study from 2017 in regards of the genetic structure of Czechs being a mixture between Slavs and the native Germanic peoples. Surprising to see that Polaks don't get as much as their Czechs cousins. As for Slovenians, it's pretty well apparent that they're genetically more Slavic than Balkan which true for the Croats and Bosniaks, though more than 30% of their DNA derives from the ancient Balkanic peoples with some Germanic and Celtic in the mix. Genetics is just as beautiful thing, don't you agree?
Hallstatt Celts from Central Europe ere not hard to distinguish from Germanics genetically, it's insular Celts in NW Europe who are very close to them because they are not really Celtic by ancestry, rather Kelticised Bell Beaker.
Or at least it seems so by current data we have.
Yes, genetics is great. :)
it's called DEU_Lech_EBA
Yes, still nothing. I tried it.
Kamal900
02-29-2020, 10:35 PM
Yes, I should run them on K13 ancient.
Me:
Distance to: Me
13.10533479 Sidon_BA_ERS1790730
15.39341418 IA_Ardea_R850
15.58625997 CL30_collegno_italy_longobard
16.33940941 CL38_collegno_italy_longobard
17.36924581 caananite_ERS1790733_caananite_ERS1790733
17.36924581 Sidon_BA_ERS1790733
17.47612371 CL25_collegno_italy_longobard
18.04314274 Sidon_BA_ERS1790731
18.66186754 i1632_areni_merged
22.48136117 Chalcolithic_Age_Anatolian_Barcinhoyuk._Turkey_394 3_BC
23.30745374 CrusaderSI53KingdomofJerusalem
24.00453707 I3808_morisco_I3808_morisco
25.11259246 SZ40_szolad_hungary_longobard
25.39583430 SZ31_szolad_hungary_longobard
25.52016066 IA_Prenestina_Selicata_R437
25.77721087 I3808_iberia
27.06853709 I1665_IRAN_CHL_I1665
27.11605797 I7499_Muslim_Iberian_1000_1100_CE2
27.86401084 I8215_2iberia
27.90580943 I8215_3iberia
27.97720679 LevantBA_M291439
28.52133412 ArmeniaCA_I1631_Armenia_425004050_BC
28.54385398 CL121_collegno_italy_longobard
28.76190884 I8215_iberia
29.37829811 SZ35_szolad_hungary_longobard
Target: Me
Distance: 2.5000% / 2.50000790 | ADC: 0.25x
40.6 Sidon_BA_ERS1790730
28.8 i1632_areni_merged
12.2 copt315_copt315
8.8 I1665_IRAN_CHL_I1665
5.8 CL38_collegno_italy_longobard
2.6 Ust_Ishim_Siberia_45000_years_M_K_M526_R
1.2 Mota1_Africa
My Palestinian cousin:
Distance to: Cousin
13.64090173 IA_Ardea_R850
13.90686521 CL30_collegno_italy_longobard
14.62962406 CL38_collegno_italy_longobard
15.47889531 Sidon_BA_ERS1790730
16.45805882 CL25_collegno_italy_longobard
18.75353567 i1632_areni_merged
19.34286173 caananite_ERS1790733_caananite_ERS1790733
19.34286173 Sidon_BA_ERS1790733
19.48645684 Sidon_BA_ERS1790731
20.84699978 I3808_morisco_I3808_morisco
21.77145838 CrusaderSI53KingdomofJerusalem
22.45195760 Chalcolithic_Age_Anatolian_Barcinhoyuk._Turkey_394 3_BC
22.62118476 I3808_iberia
23.02700806 SZ40_szolad_hungary_longobard
23.26916414 IA_Prenestina_Selicata_R437
23.29708995 I7499_Muslim_Iberian_1000_1100_CE2
24.76572632 SZ31_szolad_hungary_longobard
26.00856782 CL121_collegno_italy_longobard
26.09775086 I8215_3iberia
26.11091917 I8215_2iberia
27.00946501 SZ35_szolad_hungary_longobard
27.15191338 I8215_iberia
27.98010901 LevantBA_M291439
28.31154358 CL31_collegno_italy_longobard
28.85301891 ArmeniaCA_I1631_Armenia_425004050_BC
Target: Cousin
Distance: 2.5130% / 2.51298296 | ADC: 0.25x
24.8 CL38_collegno_italy_longobard
24.4 i1632_areni_merged
17.0 Sidon_BA_ERS1790730
8.8 LevantBA_M291439
7.2 Natufian_merged_M041601
7.0 I1665_IRAN_CHL_I1665
6.6 copt315_copt315
2.4 Mota1_Africa
1.0 Ust_Ishim_Siberia_45000_years_M_K_M526_R
0.8 Mbuti00449_Africa
https://media3.giphy.com/media/7JI6mrDzbBHJcROiCZ/giphy.gif
Btw, can you send me the calculator? I'm curious to see my own results.
Will make a thread, it will be designed for Slavs. You can try it ofcourse, but results won't make any sense for you.
vbnetkhio
02-29-2020, 10:36 PM
Yes, still nothing. I tried it.
it's probably absorbed by the Balkan component
it's called DEU_Lech_EBA
Btw are you sure it's a Celt? How pure is it? If it's good sample, I will add it to this Czech Celtic reference.
Peterski
02-29-2020, 10:38 PM
I think Slovaks are more Celto-Germanic than that.
What are you using as Slavic?
it's probably absorbed by the Balkan component
It's not, when I removed all Balkan samples except Bulgarian IA they still score like 1% up to 5% depending is it 0x to 0.25X
I don't believe they have no Celtic. G25 is not as accurate as it seems.
Ljubic and me on G25 are 0% German, and everywhere else we get some (and we should). It's imperfect tool.
vbnetkhio
02-29-2020, 10:42 PM
Btw are you sure it's a Celt? How pure is it? If it's good sample, I will add it to this Czech Celtic reference.
yes, look at this model for England_IA:
"37.2 % DEU_Lech_EBA + 62.8 % England_MBA" "0.0086"
I think Slovaks are more Celto-Germanic than that.
What are you using as Slavic?
Szolad, early Czech Slav and Sunghir.
Peterski
02-29-2020, 10:48 PM
BTW this is what Lukasz recently wrote on a Polish history forum where we both post, he thinks that Czechs do not have much of German admixture.
Quote (translated from Polish):
"In my opinion immigration of Germans in the Middle Ages did not have big importance for the % of R1b among the Czechs. There were many Germans there (1/4 of the population before WW2) but they were all deported after WW2. And throughout history mainly Czechs were becoming Germanized, not Germans Czechizised. Especially considering that since the Middle Ages until 1918 German was the language of Czechia's ruling classes. So an ethnic German would really have to try very hard to become Czechizised under such conditions. So I think that R1b among the Czechs is mainly (my guess in 90-95%) from ancient Pre-Slavic population."
If he is right then we should be modelling Czechs using Iron Age / Bronze Age samples + Early Slavs.
The Celto-Germanic DNA in Czechs is mainly Pre-Slavic not Medieval German, in his opinion at least.
BTW this is what Lukasz recently wrote on a Polish history forum where we both post, he thinks that Czechs do not have much of German admixture.
Quote (translated from Polish):
"In my opinion immigration of Germans in the Middle Ages did not have big importance for the % of R1b among the Czechs. There were many Germans there (1/4 of the population before WW2) but they were all deported after WW2. And throughout history mainly Czechs were becoming Germanized, not Germans Czechizised. Especially considering that since the Middle Ages until 1918 German was the language of Czechia's ruling classes. So an ethnic German would really have to try very hard to become Czechizised under such conditions. So I think that R1b among the Czechs is mainly (my guess in 90-95%) from ancient Pre-Slavic population."
Well, data shows differently. But as I said, G25 is far from perfect. And we don't know how reliable modern population averages are.
Peterski
02-29-2020, 10:55 PM
Well, data shows differently.
Which data ??? I mean, "Early Czech Slav" is just one sample...
Token
02-29-2020, 10:55 PM
These Czech Hallstatt samples are probably not representative of early Celts, one has too much WHG and too little steppe, the other has Central Asian Scythian admixture. None of them wield good statistical fits as contributors to Celtiberians, Gaels and Britons.
Which data ???
This data. They score lot of medieval Germany. Or Norwegian, it's the same.
These Czech Hallstatt samples are probably not representative of early Celts, one has too much WHG and too little steppe, the other has Central Asian Scythian admixture. None of them wield good statistical fits as contributors to Celtiberians, Gaels and Britons.
But when I add Lech sample, situation remain almost the same.
Token
02-29-2020, 10:58 PM
But when I add Lech sample, situation remain almost the same.
Lech_EBA is not Celtic. What about Lech_MBA?
vbnetkhio
02-29-2020, 10:58 PM
Ljubic and me on G25 are 0% German, and everywhere else we get some (and we should). It's imperfect tool.
it's because NW Europeans and Bell Beakers are all on the same axis in g25. so when you use samples like HRV_IA, which have NW Euro or NW-Euro like influence, it absorbs your German
Peterski
02-29-2020, 11:00 PM
These Czech Hallstatt samples are probably not representative of early Celts, one has too much WHG and too little steppe, the other has Central Asian Scythian admixture. None of them wield good statistical fits as contributors to Celtiberians, Gaels and Britons.
You are so fast to acknowledge this! :) Late EBA Lech Valley samples are better for Early Celts, IMO.
BTW what "Central Asian" Scythian? That is rather from Hungary or somewhere close, not Central Asia.
What about Lech_MBA?
Lech_MBA = crappy quality, very few SNPs. Lech_EBA dated to 1815-1789 BCE are likely Proto-Celtic.
Lech_EBA is not Celtic. What about Lech_MBA?
Still nothing! Unbelivable. How is this even possible?
Well, either EBA or MBA don't improve Celtic score in Czechs.
Slavic Italian
02-29-2020, 11:05 PM
Well, either EBA or MBA don't improve Celtic score in Czechs.
Can you please run Russian? It should have Finno Ugric and Baltic.
Token
02-29-2020, 11:05 PM
You are so fast to acknowledge this! :) Late MBA Lech Valley samples are better for Early Celts, IMO.
BTW what "Central Asian" Scythian? That is rather from Hungary or somewhere close, not Central Asia.
I mean he has ancestry from Central Asia. He could have gotten it from European Scythians.
Peterski
02-29-2020, 11:05 PM
This data. They score lot of medieval Germany. Or Norwegian, it's the same.
Modern Norwegians have lots of Scottish/Celtic admixture though (according to the "Population genomics of the Viking world" pre-print).
And it is real because ancient Norwegian samples do not have it - it appears in the Viking Age with immigration to Norway from Scotland.
Ancient Norwegians were probably closer to RISE174 Nordic Iron Age which according to some users on Anthrogenica is "Baltic-admixed".
Bullshit, not Balttic! :) That was how Germanic people looked liked before they mixed with Celts. "Baltic shift" is simply lack of Celtic DNA.
vbnetkhio
02-29-2020, 11:06 PM
Well, either EBA or MBA don't improve Celtic score in Czechs.
are the Delmatians included in the Balkan component?
they are very similar to Celts, this is again England IA:
"82.9 % England_MBA + 17.1 % HRV_MBA" "0.0087"
Slavic Italian
02-29-2020, 11:07 PM
Poles and Ukrainians in comparison.
Target: Ukrainian
Distance: 1.1862% / 0.01186244 | ADC: 0.25x
100.0 Slavic :D
Target: Polish
Distance: 1.1353% / 0.01135289 | ADC: 0.25x
90.8 Slavic
9.2 Germanic
The 9.2 is Peterski's ancestors. Hahaha
Can you please run Russian? It should have Finno Ugric and Baltic.
Yes, I added ancient Baltic and Finnic samples.
Target: Russian_Voronez
Distance: 1.2240% / 0.01223973 | ADC: 0.25x
85.8 Slavic
13.8 Baltic
0.4 Finnic
Target: Russian_Tver
Distance: 1.5163% / 0.01516251 | ADC: 0.25x
73.4 Slavic
19.2 Baltic
7.4 Finnic
Target: Russian_Smolensk
Distance: 1.3334% / 0.01333423 | ADC: 0.25x
77.2 Slavic
22.0 Baltic
0.8 Germanic
Target: Russian_Pinega
Distance: 1.1871% / 0.01187116 | ADC: 0.25x
36.4 Finnic
34.6 Baltic
29.0 Slavic
Target: Russian_Orel
Distance: 1.2337% / 0.01233669 | ADC: 0.25x
84.8 Slavic
13.8 Baltic
1.4 Finnic
Target: Russian_Kursk
Distance: 1.5035% / 0.01503513 | ADC: 0.25x
83.6 Slavic
13.0 Baltic
3.4 Finnic
Target: Russian_Kostroma
Distance: 1.1661% / 0.01166087 | ADC: 0.25x
59.6 Slavic
20.4 Finnic
20.0 Baltic
Modern Norwegians have lots of Scottish/Celtic admixture though (according to the "Population genomics of the Viking world" pre-print).
And it is real because ancient Norwegian samples do not have it - it appears in the Viking Age with immigration to Norway from Scotland.
Ancient Norwegians were probably closer to RISE174 Nordic Iron Age which according to some users on Anthrogenica is "Baltic-admixed".
Bullshit, not Balttic! :) That was how Germanic people looked liked before they mixed with Celts. "Baltic shift" is simply lack of Celtic DNA.
True, but medieval Germanic samples from Germany were very pure (except those with cranial deformations)
Token
02-29-2020, 11:12 PM
Well, either EBA or MBA don't improve Celtic score in Czechs.
Try removing Balkan.
Slavic Italian
02-29-2020, 11:12 PM
Yes, I added ancient Baltic and Finnic samples.
Target: Russian_Voronez
Distance: 1.2240% / 0.01223973 | ADC: 0.25x
85.8 Slavic
13.8 Baltic
0.4 Finnic
Target: Russian_Tver
Distance: 1.5163% / 0.01516251 | ADC: 0.25x
73.4 Slavic
19.2 Baltic
7.4 Finnic
Target: Russian_Smolensk
Distance: 1.3334% / 0.01333423 | ADC: 0.25x
77.2 Slavic
22.0 Baltic
0.8 Germanic
Target: Russian_Pinega
Distance: 1.1871% / 0.01187116 | ADC: 0.25x
36.4 Finnic
34.6 Baltic
29.0 Slavic
Target: Russian_Orel
Distance: 1.2337% / 0.01233669 | ADC: 0.25x
84.8 Slavic
13.8 Baltic
1.4 Finnic
Target: Russian_Kursk
Distance: 1.5035% / 0.01503513 | ADC: 0.25x
83.6 Slavic
13.0 Baltic
3.4 Finnic
Target: Russian_Kostroma
Distance: 1.1661% / 0.01166087 | ADC: 0.25x
59.6 Slavic
20.4 Finnic
20.0 Baltic
I get strong matches from North Russia. This is just half.
Russian_North_HGDP00880 8.931932
Cossack_Kuban_GS000016186 8.407539
Russian_North_HGDP00888 8.385822
Russian_North_HGDP00886 8.24023
Russian_North_HGDP00885 7.767556
Russian_North_HGDP00898 7.687647
Russian_North_HGDP00899 7.589165
Russian_Northwest_evo_2 7.139177
Russian_North_GS000013756 7.08604982-Pinega
Russian_Central_GS000035242 6.671154
Russian_Central_GS000016797 5.954777-Rjazan
Russian_North_HGDP00887 5.926507
Russian_West_GS000016819 5.635631
Russian_North_HGDP00896 5.48723
Russian_North_HGDP00893 5.384989
Russian_North_HGDP00882 5.09359
Russian_North_HGDP00892 4.865875
Russian_North_HGDP00890 4.59656
Russian_North_HGDP00901 4.593058
Russian_North_HGDP00903 4.528812
Russian_North_HGDP00889 4.272637
Cossack_Kuban_GS000035179 4.218072
Russian_North_HGDP00879 4.19332
Some Finnic in here
Ingrian_GS000016897 10.868328
Ukrainian_West_UkrLv228 10.393318
Ukrainian_North_Ukraine141 10.3141515
Ukrainian_East_UkrBel614 10.036635
Ukrainian_East_GS000035176 8.735819=Kharkov
Ukrainian_East_GS000035121 8.6328089=Sumi
Ukrainian_East_UkrBel618 4.696958
Ukrainian_East_UkrBel620 4.319737
Ukrainian_East_UkrBel622 3.643221
Belarusian_belorus7 9.815257
Vepsa_GS000016971 9.566861=Vepsskaya National Volost
Latvian_GS000035027 9.539401
Finnish_GS000018756 9.02088
Russian_North_HGDP00880 8.931932
Finnish_GS000016894 8.4297409
Cossack_Kuban_GS000016186 8.407539
Latvian_GS000035027 9.539401
Ukrainian_West_UkrLv226 7.213755
Belarusian_GS000016104 7.199316
Ukrainian_North_Ukraine133 7.055681
Russian_North_HGDP00888 8.385822-double hit
Russian_North_HGDP00886 8.24023-double hit
Karelian_GS000016970 8.025878
Even southern Russians score Baltic. Poles and Ukrainians score less than them, but still some. Slovaks, Czechs and southern Slavs score none of it.
Token
02-29-2020, 11:13 PM
Modern Norwegians have lots of Scottish/Celtic admixture though (according to the "Population genomics of the Viking world" pre-print).
And it is real because ancient Norwegian samples do not have it - it appears in the Viking Age with immigration to Norway from Scotland.
Ancient Norwegians were probably closer to RISE174 Nordic Iron Age which according to some users on Anthrogenica is "Baltic-admixed".
Bullshit, not Balttic! :) That was how Germanic people looked liked before they mixed with Celts. "Baltic shift" is simply lack of Celtic DNA.
Nordic IA is as western as you can get, he doesn't have Baltic admixture.
are the Delmatians included in the Balkan component?
they are very similar to Celts, this is again England IA:
"82.9 % England_MBA + 17.1 % HRV_MBA" "0.0087"
When I remove them and keep just Bulgaria IA, it stays almost the same.
Try removing Balkan.
Target: Czech
Distance: 1.3566% / 0.01356604 | ADC: 0.25x
56.8 Slavic
34.8 Germanic
8.4 Celtic
Better, but still very little.
Token
02-29-2020, 11:16 PM
Target: Czech
Distance: 1.3566% / 0.01356604 | ADC: 0.25x
56.8 Slavic
34.8 Germanic
8.4 Celtic
Better, but still very little.
Yeah, it seems Celts were just visitors.
Peterski
02-29-2020, 11:17 PM
Nordic IA is as western as you can get, he doesn't have Baltic admixture.
I agree but some people claimed he has it. Even ph2ter claimed it.
Slavic Italian
02-29-2020, 11:18 PM
Even southern Russians score Baltic. Poles and Ukrainians score less than them, but still some. Slovaks, Czechs and southern Slavs score none of it.
I also get Karelian hits.
Saami_GS000035024 8.841275
Vepsa_GS000016971 9.566861=Vepsskaya National Volost
Latvian_GS000035027 9.539401
Finnish_GS000018756 9.02088
Finnish_GS000016894 8.4297409
Cossack_Kuban_GS000016186 8.407539
Latvian_GS000035027 9.539401
Karelian_GS000016970 8.025878
Yeah, it seems Celts were just visitors.
Unlike Germanics :rockon:
Target: Ukrainian
Distance: 1.0938% / 0.01093765 | ADC: 0.25x
93.2 Slavic
5.6 Baltic
1.2 Greco-Roman
Target: Polish
Distance: 1.0294% / 0.01029432 | ADC: 0.25x
86.0 Slavic
9.6 Germanic
4.4 Baltic
Target: Belarusian
Distance: 0.8887% / 0.00888739 | ADC: 0.25x
77.0 Slavic
23.0 Baltic
Ukrainians are purest Slavs according to G25. Followed by Poles and Russians from Voronezh.
But we know western Poles like Peterski are lot more NW Euro than this Polish average, for example.
vbnetkhio
02-29-2020, 11:21 PM
When I remove them and keep just Bulgaria IA, it stays almost the same.
Target: Czech
Distance: 1.3566% / 0.01356604 | ADC: 0.25x
56.8 Slavic
34.8 Germanic
8.4 Celtic
Better, but still very little.
Slavic is AV2 and Sunghir?
Slavic Italian
02-29-2020, 11:21 PM
Unlike Germanics :rockon:
Germanics are liberators. Hahahaha. Well I gave a lot of their DNA as well.
Slavic is AV2 and Sunghir?
Yes, and early Czech Slav. If I remove it, Celticness doesn't increase.
Peterski
02-29-2020, 11:24 PM
Don't use ADC 0.25x, I think it makes no sense to use it if you are checking ancient mixtures.
Don't use ADC 0.25x, I think it makes no sense to use it if you are checking ancient mixtures.
It's lot better than 0 pen. Lot better. I tested it.
Peterski
02-29-2020, 11:35 PM
It's lot better than 0 pen. Lot better. I tested it.
Can you show what do Slovaks and Czechs get with 0 pen in your model?
If you are using models with several populations, it can only influence proportions, it will not reduce noise which can't be there anyway.
I think with 0 pen Slovaks will get more German, and Czechs less German.
Here is link to full calculator: https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?316490-Slavic-G25-(ancient)-calculator&p=6533758#post6533758
Can you show what do Slovaks and Czechs get with 0 pen in your model?
If you are using models with several populations, it can only influence proportions, it will not reduce noise which can't be there anyway.
I think with 0 pen Slovaks will get more German, and Czechs less German.
0 penalisation is nonsense, shouldn't be used at all for ancient samples. It makes this very Slavic Polish average less than 40% Slavic.
Or Czechs mostly Germanic, and Slovaks mostly Balkan, LOL!
Anyway, here you go:
Target: Czech
Distance: 1.0512% / 0.01051238
32.2 Germanic
30.6 Slavic
16.2 Baltic
13.6 Balkan
5.6 Greco-Roman
1.8 Celtic
Target: Slovakian
Distance: 1.6265% / 0.01626502
34.4 Balkan
33.8 Baltic
23.6 Slavic
5.6 Germanic
2.6 Turkic
Target: Polish
Distance: 0.7412% / 0.00741176
38.6 Slavic
31.2 Baltic
15.4 Balkan
14.8 Germanic
Peterski
03-01-2020, 12:45 AM
Anyway, here you go:
Target: Czech
Distance: 1.0512% / 0.01051238
32.2 Germanic
30.6 Slavic
16.2 Baltic
13.6 Balkan
5.6 Greco-Roman
1.8 Celtic
Target: Slovakian
Distance: 1.6265% / 0.01626502
34.4 Balkan
33.8 Baltic
23.6 Slavic
5.6 Germanic
2.6 Turkic
Target: Polish
Distance: 0.7412% / 0.00741176
38.6 Slavic
31.2 Baltic
15.4 Balkan
14.8 Germanic
This looks close to what these populations score in DNA Land algorithm made by Dr Joe Pickrell (if you add Baltic + Slavic, which is "North Slavic" there).
For example I personally score 10% "Balkan" in DNA Land.
Your average Czech scoring 47% "North Slavic" in DNA Land. Yes, it looks probable.
how old are these ancient samples? Meta ethnicities sprung up around pretty much the same time when jesus was alive anyway.
This looks close to what these populations score in DNA Land algorithm made by Dr Joe Pickrell (if you add Baltic + Slavic, which is "North Slavic" there).
For example I personally score 10% "Balkan" in DNA Land.
Your average Czech scoring 47% "North Slavic" in DNA Land. Yes, it looks probable.
It's BS, and Balkan here on DNA Land is completely different (Paleo-Balkan vs modern Balkan including Bulgarians). It looks like s**t, and 0.25X is much better. Time to admit it.
Neither are Slovaks Paleo-Balkan, neither are Czechs Germanic nor are Poles minority Slavic.
0 pen is fucking horrible.
how old are these ancient samples? Meta ethnicities sprung up around pretty much the same time when jesus was alive anyway.
Medieval and Iron Age mostly, few are bronze age.
SharpFork
03-01-2020, 08:24 PM
What did you use as a proxy for slavic?
What did you use as a proxy for slavic?
Medieval Slavic samples from Czech Republic, Hungary and Russia.
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