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Methuselah
03-06-2020, 05:49 PM
Let's have a discussion.
Teutone
03-06-2020, 05:52 PM
Any country that simply forces his existence by any means neccessary has a right to exist.
Methuselah
03-06-2020, 05:53 PM
Any country that simply forces his existence by any means neccessary has a right to exist.

Not sure how to read this. :D
Voskos
03-06-2020, 05:54 PM
There is a difference between existing and coexisting.
Teutone
03-06-2020, 05:56 PM
Not sure how to read this. :D

Israel exists, it forces its existence trough war and colonization like any country once upon a time, it has a right to exist cause its enemies cannot stop its existence.

To me there is no right of existence.
Methuselah
03-06-2020, 05:57 PM
There is a difference between existing and coexisting.

A good point!

I personally support their existence. Brits did what they did, i'm not gonna comment on that. But i feel like Palestine could ironically actually benefit from Israel one day, only if they just gave up on Hamas and would accept the existence of Jewish state... I might be wrong.
Satem
03-06-2020, 05:59 PM
Jewish state yes but maybe let's move it to New York. Everyone will be happy
Methuselah
03-06-2020, 06:01 PM
Jewish state yes but maybe let's move it to New York. Everyone will be happy

How can you move so many Jews to New York?
Hulu
03-06-2020, 06:03 PM
I'm shlomo, I'm not jewish, just an Israeli spy.
Satem
03-06-2020, 06:03 PM
How can you move so many Jews to New York?

Honestly I have no idea. It's not up to me to know it
Epirus DNA
03-06-2020, 06:05 PM
If I were God, I would force 1 of every Israeli family member to marry a Palestinian and 1 of every Palestinian family member to marry an Israeli. In a few hundred years, they will all be 1 big happy family.
Methuselah
03-06-2020, 06:05 PM
I'm shlomo, I'm not jewish, just an Israeli spy.

Why are you behaving like a b*tch here? I remember having a normal discussion with you.

I come from Finnish- Russian family. I can have any roots, it will not change a thing. And no, i don't hate on Palestinians, i wish them nothing but good. Palestinian children deserve something better than Islam or Hamas. So shut up and get out of here, if you don't know how to behave.

What comes to my religion- Jesus Christ is my king.
Methuselah
03-06-2020, 06:07 PM
If I were God, I would force 1 of every Israeli family member to marry a Palestinian and 1 of every Palestinian family member to marry an Israeli. In a few hundred years, they will all be 1 big happy family.

Love is the answer.
Ülev
03-06-2020, 06:08 PM
shalom, please participate to my thread https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?316470-Israeli-landscapes-cities-art-etc
("forced" by one Soviet member, who called me Jew few times here :) )
Hulu
03-06-2020, 06:08 PM
Why are you behaving like a b*tch here? I remember having a normal discussion with you.

I come from Finnish- Russian family. I can have any roots, it will not change a thing. And no, i don't hate on Palestinians, i wish them nothing but good. Palestinian children deserve something better than Islam or Hamas. So shut up and get out of here, if you don't know how to behave.

What comes to my religion- Jesus Christ is my king.

little whiny bitch. I just expressed my opinion, stop complaining
JamesBond007
03-06-2020, 06:10 PM
Not sure how to read this. :D

It reads might is right. Something Hitler , Caesar, or Napoleon would say more or less.
Methuselah
03-06-2020, 06:10 PM
little whiny bitch. I just expressed my opinion, stop complaining

God bless you. Take care. Your life is meaningful.
Hulu
03-06-2020, 06:10 PM
God bless you. Take care. Your life is meaningful.

:patpat:
Teutone
03-06-2020, 06:13 PM
It reads might is right. Something Hitler , Caesar, or Napoleon would say more or less.

Or Mobb Deep


https://youtu.be/hIq4UTgqDAc
Methuselah
03-06-2020, 06:13 PM
It reads might is right. Something Hitler , Caesar, or Napoleon would say more or less.

I have a feeling we should look up not to Napoleon, Hitler or Muhammad, but Jesus.

Love is the answer.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFU7IiX63qI
Dušan
03-06-2020, 06:13 PM
In my opinion, both states Israel and Palestine should exist.
Methuselah
03-06-2020, 06:19 PM
Or Mobb Deep


https://youtu.be/hIq4UTgqDAc

Ah, Germans bringing in social darwinism. Same ol' story...
Methuselah
03-06-2020, 06:23 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsC71mwY0Eo
Teutone
03-06-2020, 06:31 PM
Ah, Germans bringing in social darwinism. Same ol' story...

You are in support of Israel.

Then you gotta recognize that Israel in its current form wouldnt exist without force, separation and colonization.

I acknowledge these things but they dont make me anti Israel or anti Jewish, I think we could learn from Israeli/Jewish ethnocentrism.
TheMaestro
03-06-2020, 06:38 PM
Every nation deserves their country, Jews are well known wordwise, tho I'm not sure the place they created the country is the one, Ashkenazi's could have created a country somewhere in central-E Europe, but who knows.
Methuselah
03-07-2020, 10:25 PM
Every nation deserves their country, Jews are well known wordwise, tho I'm not sure the place they created the country is the one, Ashkenazi's could have created a country somewhere in central-E Europe, but who knows.
Like in Slovenia or what? I don't think there were any place in Europe for them to be honest.
sean
03-07-2020, 10:35 PM
I don't think there were any place in Europe for them to be honest.

https://i.imgur.com/4k3s1vC.png
Pine
03-07-2020, 10:41 PM
https://i.imgur.com/4k3s1vC.png

Do you know what that was?
Westbrook
03-07-2020, 10:43 PM
How can I possibly express how little I care about the whole Israel situation


The truth is their Arab neighbors and other muslims in that part of the world steep themselves in religion and obsessing over this because their lives are trash and they don't have anything else to occupy their time, and they would still be in this situation even if Israel didn't exist. Nothing changes until their quality of life, education, and development levels improve.
Ranger0075
03-07-2020, 10:44 PM
As a protestant for some reason I was pro-Israel but recently I changed my views towards Israel. I think I am more pro-Palestine or even Pro-expell them all and give them to Christians than anything.
Methuselah
03-07-2020, 10:46 PM
https://i.imgur.com/4k3s1vC.png

That Czarist Russian concept didn't exist anymore after WW2. You had to find a place to live for bunch of people. Germany or Poland wasn't for them anymore, because they didn't have homes there.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sh%27erit_ha-Pletah

Europe was simply not for Jews to live in. As a nation.
Methuselah
03-07-2020, 11:08 PM
As a protestant for some reason I was pro-Israel but recently I changed my views towards Israel. I think I am more pro-Palestine or even Pro-expell them all and give them to Christians than anything.

Why did you change your mind on this? Give to Christians what?
TheMaestro
03-08-2020, 09:11 AM
Like in Slovenia or what? I don't think there were any place in Europe for them to be honest.

Poland? UA?
Pine
03-08-2020, 09:14 AM
That Czarist Russian concept didn't exist anymore after WW2. You had to find a place to live for bunch of people. Germany or Poland wasn't for them anymore, because they didn't have homes there.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sh%27erit_ha-Pletah

Europe was simply not for Jews to live in. As a nation.

He presumably brought the Pale up because he thinks it was akin to a Jewish country. The Pale wasn't a place for Jews to live. Rather, Russia was a place for Jews not to live. That's why the Pale was created. It was an apartheid system, where Jews were restricted to that western end of the Russian Empire, where Russians had found them after acquiring it from the Polish-Lithuanian commonwealth. Nothing was good about living there and why Jews gtfo as soon as they could.
Methuselah
03-09-2020, 08:28 PM
Poland? UA?

Don't forger that Stalin wasn't Santa Claus.

Maybe it could have happened in Argentina, Uganda or Birobidzhan... But it didn't happen. Because it didn't work.
TheMaestro
03-09-2020, 08:31 PM
Don't forger that Stalin wasn't Santa Claus.

Maybe it could have happened in Argentina, Uganda or Birobidzhan... But it didn't happen. Because it didn't work.

Stalin wasn't Santa Claus?
Methuselah
03-09-2020, 08:33 PM
Stalin wasn't Santa Claus?

No, he was not.
TheMaestro
03-09-2020, 09:05 PM
No, he was not.

https://i.imgur.com/2s742um.png



Coincidence? I think not!



https://i.imgur.com/eW1zawZ.jpg
oszkar07
03-09-2020, 09:16 PM
Let's have a discussion.

Has right,but treats Palestinians terribly.

Im not fan of how Israel behaves.
Methuselah
03-10-2020, 12:41 AM
https://i.imgur.com/2s742um.png



Coincidence? I think not!



https://i.imgur.com/eW1zawZ.jpg

Still not a Santa Claus.
Methuselah
03-10-2020, 12:43 AM
Has right,but treats Palestinians terribly.

Im not fan of how Israel behaves.

Well Palestinians had a chance to live in peace. They didn't respect Israel's right to exist. But i agree there are many problems out there.