Classify two ethnic Bulgarian sisters from Bessarabia

[Lioncourt]

https://scontent.fsof10-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-0/p640x640/87387696_10216567643685870_3826521977598771200_o.j pg?_nc_cat=111&_nc_sid=8024bb&_nc_ohc=PT6qoz_wu8AAX8QVit1&_nc_ht=scontent.fsof10-1.fna&_nc_tp=6&oh=4f1b5f8fb30ecb7fdeb796b1d4ba4829&oe=5E994F69

[Jana]

Alpine-Meds(Pontids), left more Alpine second more Med.
They are really beautiful both, especially right one. I wouldn't mind to look like her. :)

[Lioncourt]

Alpine-Meds(Pontids), left more Alpine second more Med.
They are really beautiful both, especially right one. I wouldn't mind to look like her. :)

The costumes they are wearing are from Thrace. Many Bessarabian Bulgarians are from Thrace, they migrated with Russian army after one Russian-Ottoman war. Girls in ethnic costumes are beautiful, these two especially have mesmerizing dark Slavic features.

[Lioncourt]

Bump

[IrisSelene]

The costumes they are wearing are from Thrace. Many Bessarabian Bulgarians are from Thrace, they migrated with Russian army after one Russian-Ottoman war. Girls in ethnic costumes are beautiful, these two especially have mesmerizing dark Slavic features.I wish all girls looked beautiful in ethnic costumes hahah, saw my cousins in Bulgarian ones and they didn't look as good [emoji23]

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[IrisSelene]

They look alpine pontid to me

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[dududud]

Alpinoid Atlanto-Med or just Alpine. Good western facial features.

[IrisSelene]

Alpinoid Atlanto-Med or just Alpine. Good western facial features.Western?

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[Jana]

Western?

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Right one looks very Med/southern European, if you count that as western. She fits in Med islands easily. Left one has more eastern vibe, but still easy fits in south as well.

[Lioncourt]

I wish all girls looked beautiful in ethnic costumes hahah, saw my cousins in Bulgarian ones and they didn't look as good [emoji23]

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You have a Bulgarian grandparent?

[Anaximander]

You have a Bulgarian grandparent?

''SlavoVlachic'' Bulgarians.......

[Renekton]

Alpine both

[IrisSelene]

''SlavoVlachic'' Bulgarians.......What?

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[IrisSelene]

You have a Bulgarian grandparent?Yes, my grandma.

But also those cousins are from my paternal side, and none of my paternal grandparents are Bulgarian, it's their father that is Bulgarian in their case. (bc their mother is my fathers sister so no Bulgarian there)

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[TheMaestro]

Damn the left one is hot as a chilli pepper.

[Celestia]

They’re gorgeous.

Mainly Alpine Med influence

[Aspirin]

Specific faces for South Moldova.

[Dorian]

bulgarized Greekoids

[Aspar]

bulgarized Greekoids

Nothing Greek in those ladies.
The Greek women are more common with long and narrow horse face plus more olive skinned. I can recognize a Greek from a kilometer...
These ladies are typical Bulgarian women with typical Bulgarian-Thracian look, not common for any other neighboring country except Macedonia.

[Dorian]

Nothing Greek in those ladies.
The Greek women are more common with long and narrow horse face plus more olive skinned. I can recognize a Greek from a kilometer...
These ladies are typical Bulgarian women with typical Bulgarian-Thracian look, not common for any other neighboring country except Macedonia.

Yes yes teach me..

[Ion Basescul]

https://scontent.fsof10-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-0/p640x640/87387696_10216567643685870_3826521977598771200_o.j pg?_nc_cat=111&_nc_sid=8024bb&_nc_ohc=PT6qoz_wu8AAX8QVit1&_nc_ht=scontent.fsof10-1.fna&_nc_tp=6&oh=4f1b5f8fb30ecb7fdeb796b1d4ba4829&oe=5E994F69

They look uber Moldovan.

[Aspirin]

They look uber Moldovan.

Absolutely not.

[Ion Basescul]

Absolutely not.

Considering that I lived all my life here, I should know better.

[Lioncourt]

These ladies are typical Bulgarian women with typical Bulgarian-Thracian look, not common for any other neighboring country except Macedonia.

+ Romania.

[Aspirin]

Considering that I lived all my life here, I should know better.

Even for Romania Moldova they are not typical. Moldova, both Republic and Romanian part have strong Alipine/CM (Gorid) influence.

[Aspar]

+ Romania.

I am not so sure mate...
I've seen literary thousands of Romanians from all over Romania here in UK and somehow I think that the resemblance between us and them is exaggerated. Most of the time the Romanians have their own look which I am able to recognize more often than not. The same as we have our own look.

[Lioncourt]

I am not so sure mate...
I've seen literary thousands of Romanians from all over Romania here in UK and somehow I think that the resemblance between us and them is exaggerated. Most of the time the Romanians have their own look which I am able to recognize more often than not. The same as we have our own look.

I agree but the two ladies can pass there. Romanians are more diverse than us Southeast Slavs.

[brennus dux gallorum]

Nothing Greek in those ladies.
The Greek women are more common with long and narrow horse face plus more olive skinned. I can recognize a Greek from a kilometer...
These ladies are typical Bulgarian women with typical Bulgarian-Thracian look, not common for any other neighboring country except Macedonia.

I will agree with the "more horse face" only, which is what separates southern European structure from eastern euro

The rest is wrong

[brennus dux gallorum]

Alpine med

[Anaximander]

Nothing Greek in those ladies.
The Greek women are more common with long and narrow horse face plus more olive skinned. I can recognize a Greek from a kilometer...
These ladies are typical Bulgarian women with typical Bulgarian-Thracian look, not common for any other neighboring country except Macedonia.

How more olive(dark) than this, woman in Europe can be?? This is the among the darkest......

[Nomansman]

Kind of look like they could pass in tajikstan almost

[Ion Basescul]

Even for Romania Moldova they are not typical. Moldova, both Republic and Romanian part have strong Alipine/CM (Gorid) influence.

No, I specifically said Moldovan in order to distinguish from Romanian Moldovan. Moldovan as in Romanian speaking Moldovan citizens.
I actually have all my ancestry from R. Moldova and have been living here all my life. But compared to some of you guys I'm actually proud of my ancestry and look down on those who hide behind fake ethnic identities (e.g. Moldovan).
That's why I found satisfaction in trolling.
But IRL, I'm Moldovan as in citizen and Romanian as in ethnicity, although my mom is half Ukrainian.

To return to the ladies, those traits are not uncommon here. I'd even go further and state that they look more Moldovan/Romanian than Moldovan Bulgarians.
It's very common to find this sort of gentle features in Moldovans, while Bulgarians generally have sharper features. I only know 3 Moldovan Bulgarians IRL, so that's not a decent sample size. However, consider also the examples from below.

Here's some supporting pics from Taraclia
http://raiontaraclia.md/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/IMG_0260.jpg
https://tuk.md/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/DSC00065.jpg
http://raiontaraclia.md/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/a58a8887-scaled.jpg
http://raiontaraclia.md/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/a58a8903-scaled.jpg
http://raiontaraclia.md/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/IMG_0004-1.jpg
https://vox.publika.md/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/IMG_20191213_225730.jpg
https://tribuna.md/img.php?mini=1&maxw=887&img=wp-content/uploads/2017/02/inna-supac.jpg

[Nurzat]

biutiful. plus, imagine them naked with that skin tone :cool: yummy

in the end, they're Moldovan

[Aspirin]

To return to the ladies, those traits are not uncommon here. I'd even go further and state that they look more Moldovan/Romanian than Moldovan Bulgarians.
It's very common to find this sort of gentle features in Moldovans, while Bulgarians generally have sharper features. I only know 3 Moldovan Bulgarians IRL, so that's not a decent sample size. However, consider also the examples from below.


You can troll anywhere else, Bulgarians look different from locals, these Med gracile types are atypical outside Southern regions, where they live together with Gagauz. Never denayed similarities with Bulgarians to some extent, but these ones look alien. The funny thing is what these features are especially uncommon between females.

[Ion Basescul]

You can troll anywhere else, Bulgarians look different from locals, these Med gracile types are atypical outside Southern regions, where they live together with Gagauz. Never denayed similarities with Bulgarians to some extent, but these ones look alien. The funny thing is what these features are especially uncommon between females.

I honestly sometimes get the impression that you guys live on another planet or at least not in the same country as me.

They would fit right in with the below and you wouldn't bat an eye thinking that they are "alien" if you saw them on the streets.

https://www.rtec.md/uploads/posts/2018-10/1538750267_md_0.jpg

https://static.wixstatic.com/media/98456d_2185f5f660d84ad2ad194f08c9211fc2~mv2.jpg/v1/fill/w_800,h_537,al_c,q_90/98456d_2185f5f660d84ad2ad194f08c9211fc2~mv2.webp

https://st2.depositphotos.com/2648325/11624/i/950/depositphotos_116248974-stock-photo-moldova-chisinau-independence-day-national.jpg

[Aspirin]

I honestly sometimes get the impression that you guys live on another planet or at least not in the same country as me.

They would fit right in with the below and you wouldn't bat an eye thinking that they are "alien" if you saw them on the streets.

https://www.rtec.md/uploads/posts/2018-10/1538750267_md_0.jpg

https://static.wixstatic.com/media/98456d_2185f5f660d84ad2ad194f08c9211fc2~mv2.jpg/v1/fill/w_800,h_537,al_c,q_90/98456d_2185f5f660d84ad2ad194f08c9211fc2~mv2.webp

https://st2.depositphotos.com/2648325/11624/i/950/depositphotos_116248974-stock-photo-moldova-chisinau-independence-day-national.jpg

You basically proved my words, these girls looks nothing like the girls from the OP. Vast majority are alpinoid brachy types, or a pontic/alpine/CM/baltic mixes, is a rarity to see doly types, especially with such southern medish features, plus with such facial features, specific for Gagauz area where live and many Bulgarians.

[ixulescu]

You basically proved my words, these girls looks nothing like the girls from the OP. Vast majority are alpinoid brachy types, or a pontic/alpine/CM/baltic mixes, is a rarity to see doly types, especially with such southern medish features, plus with such facial features, specific for Gagauz area where live and many Bulgarians.

both OP women are meso and common in the South.

[ixulescu]

I honestly sometimes get the impression that you guys live on another planet or at least not in the same country as me.

They would fit right in with the below and you wouldn't bat an eye thinking that they are "alien" if you saw them on the streets.



what do you expect from Aspirin? he's gonna hold his line till cows come home.

[Aspirin]

both OP women are meso and common in the South.

OP girls have specific Bulgarian faces, never seen such faces in Romania. I will never guess them as Romanian. Bulgarian, Macedonian, Montenegrin, yes, but not Romanian, I don't associate such look with Romania.

[CommonSense]

They have rather similar facial features to my dad and me, particularly the girl on the left. The difference is we have a lighter skin tone.

[ixulescu]

OP girls have specific Bulgarian faces, never seen such faces in Romania. I will never guess them as Romanian. Bulgarian, Macedonian, Montenegrin, yes, but not Romanian, I don't associate such look with Romania.

That's cause you don't know Romania. Both have common faces in the South.

[Ion Basescul]

You basically proved my words, these girls looks nothing like the girls from the OP. Vast majority are alpinoid brachy types, or a pontic/alpine/CM/baltic mixes, is a rarity to see doly types, especially with such southern medish features, plus with such facial features, specific for Gagauz area where live and many Bulgarians.

We must have different eyes or at least mine are not as trained to notice these differences. They all look pretty much the same to me and different from the Bulgarians that I have shared.

[Aspirin]

We must have different eyes or at least mine are not as trained to notice these differences. They all look pretty much the same to me and different from the Bulgarians that I have shared.

Well, you are Romano, so this does not surprise me.

[IrisSelene]

OP girls have specific Bulgarian faces, never seen such faces in Romania. I will never guess them as Romanian. Bulgarian, Macedonian, Montenegrin, yes, but not Romanian, I don't associate such look with Romania.What look do you associate with Romania then lol they don't look that uncommon to me.

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[Ion Basescul]

Well, you are Romano, so this does not surprise me.

You are the same ethnicity as me, just a bit more Southern. Being a mancurt doesn't magically let you grow wings.

[Aspirin]

You are the same ethnicity as me, just a bit more Southern. Being a mancurt doesn't magically let you grow wings.

Mancurt you will see in the mirror Ruminoid, having slavic y-DNA and a big chunk of blood of slavic origin, at the same time larping as Dacian and Roman, this is epitome of mancurt. Go listen to some manele. Can wait to make this fucking test.

[IrisSelene]

Why did this get so deep lol the girls look Balkan to me. Simple as that. Yall taking this too deep.

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[Freeroostah]

Nothing Greek in those ladies.
The Greek women are more common with long and narrow horse face plus more olive skinned. I can recognize a Greek from a kilometer...
These ladies are typical Bulgarian women with typical Bulgarian-Thracian look, not common for any other neighboring country except Macedonia.

I will have to disagree with that. Most Greeks(mainlanders at least) have about the same facial structure with the 2 girls as well as the same skin complexion. By "horse faced" you probably mean the small Med types of the Islands lol

[Ion Basescul]

Mancurt you will see in the mirror Ruminoid, having slavic y-DNA and a big chunk of blood of slavic origin, at the same time larping as Dacian and Roman, this is epitome of mancurt. Go listen to some manele. Can wait to make this fucking test.

Oi please, you are doing the same thing, Maldavașka.
There's nothing wrong in feeling Latin, considering the language that we have. Also relating to Dacians, considering that they are widely viewed as our main ancestors.

You are right in that I can also identify with my Slavic part, which I occasionally do IRL.

But compared to my case, a lot of you guys in here are descendants of full Romanian speaking grandparents who larp as Slavs. I actually don't have anything against that, given that Russian is just as native to me as Romanian. But I definitely find it funny, because that's textbook acculturation.

[ioan assen]

Both are gorgeous, but I think they can pass in Macedonia (of course), Romania and Greece too. Nevertheless, beautiful.

[WeirdLookingFellow]

We must have different eyes or at least mine are not as trained to notice these differences. They all look pretty much the same to me and different from the Bulgarians that I have shared.

The two Bulgarian women look like a more southern variation of what you posted, but Aspirin is right in the sense that placed in a group, the Bulgarian women are distinguishable from the ones in the pictures you posted.

I agree overall that you'll see the two Bulgarian women anywhere in Wallachia and Moldova; Transylvania is more Carpathid.

[Tauromachos]

I will have to disagree with that. Most Greeks(mainlanders at least) have about the same facial structure with the 2 girls as well as the same skin complexion. By "horse faced" you probably mean the small Med types of the Islands lol

Whattttt?

Greek Islanders look Horse faced?:ohwell:

[Ion Basescul]

The two Bulgarian women look like a more southern variation of what you posted, but Aspirin is right in the sense that placed in a group, the Bulgarian women are distinguishable from the ones in the pictures you posted.

I agree overall that you'll see the two Bulgarian women anywhere in Wallachia and Moldova; Transylvania is more Carpathid.

Is there a guide to phenotypes somewhere? I'm not as informed as you guys apparently are in this field.

[Aspar]

I will have to disagree with that. Most Greeks(mainlanders at least) have about the same facial structure with the 2 girls as well as the same skin complexion. By "horse faced" you probably mean the small Med types of the Islands lol

When I say 'horse face' I mean types like Despina Vandi. I see those types are very common among Greek women.
What comes closer to these Bulgarian girls is Elena Paparizou type although Despina Vandi type is more common in Greece imo.

[PAGANE]

Here are more Bulgarian women from Bessarabia
https://scontent-sof1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/s960x960/89544275_3056902697662299_6963342275556409344_o.jp g?_nc_cat=108&_nc_sid=e007fa&_nc_ohc=VigxoW5Vc0oAX-0CqKH&_nc_ht=scontent-sof1-1.xx&_nc_tp=7&oh=d1a880838449549da22ab36a09b020e2&oe=5E8EE2E5https://scontent-sof1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/s960x960/88429748_3056895414329694_1198654977799618560_o.jp g?_nc_cat=108&_nc_sid=e007fa&_nc_ohc=owv8XP9OopoAX8hU9VN&_nc_ht=scontent-sof1-1.xx&_nc_tp=7&oh=a390130d9cd06ead096cd0ee76d73829&oe=5E943C97https://scontent-sof1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/s960x960/88129923_3056895547663014_7336496206828273664_o.jp g?_nc_cat=104&_nc_sid=e007fa&_nc_ohc=o-6qRJ82PJ4AX_Oqtld&_nc_ht=scontent-sof1-1.xx&_nc_tp=7&oh=23d6f0e36af98f55e6709d93cb900b25&oe=5E9304ADhttps://scontent-sof1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/s960x960/84327243_3056895407663028_1104212709999640576_o.jp g?_nc_cat=110&_nc_sid=e007fa&_nc_ohc=qqw5dbFBmVoAX91IvOE&_nc_ht=scontent-sof1-1.xx&_nc_tp=7&oh=53713740eca799a250fcd63b29e0121a&oe=5E97E2DBhttps://scontent-sof1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/89499387_3061366940549208_4420646865238753280_o.jp g?_nc_cat=105&_nc_sid=e007fa&_nc_ohc=GCepq17MV4AAX9ODds4&_nc_ht=scontent-sof1-1.xx&oh=ec1a98c65209b06a5496396e2454ac43&oe=5E980931https://scontent-sof1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/s960x960/89438365_3056895717662997_6838758550043361280_o.jp g?_nc_cat=102&_nc_sid=e007fa&_nc_ohc=brHn5Yq_54UAX8kteFv&_nc_ht=scontent-sof1-1.xx&_nc_tp=7&oh=ae18f573abbb96869d4fcf76774fddd1&oe=5E926DC7https://scontent-sof1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/89637763_10216586587599456_3743381856108675072_o.j pg?_nc_cat=109&_nc_sid=8024bb&_nc_ohc=_uGVBxSDSGQAX_4e6Je&_nc_ht=scontent-sof1-1.xx&oh=2fd15a0756b204a047a963131995ae97&oe=5E8F5959https://scontent-sof1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-0/p640x640/88309091_10216591048910986_1892639719087407104_o.j pg?_nc_cat=110&_nc_sid=8024bb&_nc_ohc=By1xR5BeQc8AX_vFHOb&_nc_ht=scontent-sof1-1.xx&_nc_tp=6&oh=7e41f47595b1105ee1bed6ba05a24250&oe=5E962FEChttps://scontent-sof1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/89440565_3057197050966197_831242052002906112_o.jpg ?_nc_cat=105&_nc_sid=e007fa&_nc_ohc=hDwXAyuXELcAX93OnTj&_nc_ht=scontent-sof1-1.xx&oh=9eb37ce3ddc0c83b621dc9250c1c7cd1&oe=5E8D5A38https://scontent-sof1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/88265909_10216579644025871_4665866824707997696_o.j pg?_nc_cat=109&_nc_sid=8024bb&_nc_ohc=Ee6J3AbyKrUAX822vEO&_nc_ht=scontent-sof1-1.xx&oh=906d355f11ba09d33673021ad557b145&oe=5E96100E

[Crn Volk]

Mnogu lichni Balgarki kato vsichki

[PAGANE]

[QUOTE = Crn Volk; 6547460] Mnogu lichni Balgarki kato vsichki [/ QUOTE]

Ний сме най убавите :), всичко що е от Мизия, Тракия и Македония. Видиш ли на запад красива жена по улицата, нашенско е :)

[Mortimer]

Alpine Med

[artsi]

They look central Asian like Turkmen girls, for example. Typical for Bulgarian and Gagauzes from Southern Moldova who settled there in high numbers during the Russo-Turkish war of 1806-1812. They cannot look further away from the typical Moldovan girls. In fact if you see Moldovan girls looking like that they must have Bulgarian ancestry of Bulgarian family names proving the same. Like this singer called Alexandrina Hristov. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iNDrZPctw1E

[Lioncourt]

They look central Asian like Turkmen girls, for example. Typical for Bulgarian and Gagauzes from Southern Moldova who settled there in high numbers during the Russo-Turkish war of 1806-1812. They cannot look further away from the typical Moldovan girls. In fact if you see Moldovan girls looking like that they must have Bulgarian ancestry of Bulgarian family names proving the same. Like this singer called Alexandrina Hristov. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iNDrZPctw1E

:picard2:

[artsi]

You are the same ethnicity as me, just a bit more Southern. Being a mancurt doesn't magically let you grow wings.

If anything you are a mancurt, a mancurt its one whohas a different identity compared to his parents and ancestors. Romanians are a new, artificial creation. In Moldova the ones calling themselves Romîni have Moldovan parents and ancestors, as in Moldova there were never recorded to have lived Rumîni or the modern fabrication Romîni. But mancurt is not a proper word for you. the mancurts were put through terrible tortures that physically damaged their brain, making them forget who they are. You are simply a prostitute.

[artsi]

:picard2:

Bulgarians are Bulgars, a central Asian tribe. Not Thracian, Vlach, Greek or Slavs, just a central Asian tribe that picked a Slavic idiom. So no wonder Bulgarians look like Central Asians.

[Aspirin]

They look central Asian like Turkmen girls, for example. Typical for Bulgarian and Gagauzes from Southern Moldova who settled there in high numbers during the Russo-Turkish war of 1806-1812. They cannot look further away from the typical Moldovan girls. In fact if you see Moldovan girls looking like that they must have Bulgarian ancestry of Bulgarian family names proving the same. Like this singer called Alexandrina Hristov. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iNDrZPctw1E

Bro, they have typical Balkan look, nothin Asian in them.

[artsi]

Bro, they have typical Balkan look, nothin Asian in them.

Central Asian, not Asian.

https://www.facebook.com/2269094846749095/photos/some-pics-of-turkmen-girls/2395453697446542/

[Aspirin]

Central Asian, not Asian.

https://www.facebook.com/2269094846749095/photos/some-pics-of-turkmen-girls/2395453697446542/

These girls don't look like OP girls. OP girls have Pontic traits without any mongoloid influence, more medish, common for many places in Balkan.

[Ion Basescul]

If anything you are a mancurt, a mancurt its one whohas a different identity compared to his parents and ancestors. Romanians are a new, artificial creation. In Moldova the ones calling themselves Romîni have Moldovan parents and ancestors, as in Moldova there were never recorded to have lived Rumîni or the modern fabrication Romîni. But mancurt is not a proper word for you. the mancurts were put through terrible tortures that physically damaged their brain, making them forget who they are. You are simply a prostitute.

Anyone can identify however they want. It's not a coincidence that the upper and most educated class in Moldova identify as Romanians, even though the only real Romanians that we have are some Transylvanians in Transnistria, and as Russophones. Given that a lot of Moldovans are either bydlos or peasants, a lot of urban Moldovans, especially in Chisinau, consciously choose to identify as Romanians. And the percentage of those who choose this identity is rising every day.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/81/Rep.Moldova_-_Harta_Etnic%C4%83_%282014%29.png

[artsi]

Anyone can identify however they want.

Of course, but if they identify as something else compared to their parents and ancestors, they are mancurts or prostitutes. In Moldova, there is no Moldovan education. In the last 30 years schools and mass-media promoted the cultural genocide of Moldovans. The scum ”consciously choosing the identify as Romanians” are the result of the state policy of cultural genocide and romanization of Moldovans.

[Ion Basescul]

Of course, but if they identify as something else compared to their parents and ancestors, they are mancurts or prostitutes. In Moldova, there is no Moldovan education. In the last 30 years schools and mass-media promoted the cultural genocide of Moldovans. The scum ”consciously choosing the identify as Romanians” are the result of the state policy of cultural genocide and romanization of Moldovans.

Well, that scum includes all the cultural and historic figures of Moldova, starting from writers and ending with statesmen. The rest of our notable persons are Russians and Ukrainians. I haven't heard of important Moldovan figures. Dodon, Voronin and that clown Pascaru don't count in my book.

[IrisSelene]

If anything you are a mancurt, a mancurt its one whohas a different identity compared to his parents and ancestors. Romanians are a new, artificial creation. In Moldova the ones calling themselves Romîni have Moldovan parents and ancestors, as in Moldova there were never recorded to have lived Rumîni or the modern fabrication Romîni. But mancurt is not a proper word for you. the mancurts were put through terrible tortures that physically damaged their brain, making them forget who they are. You are simply a prostitute.Romanians an artificial creation? Hahahah [emoji1787]

What do you base that on?

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[IrisSelene]

They look central Asian like Turkmen girls, for example. Typical for Bulgarian and Gagauzes from Southern Moldova who settled there in high numbers during the Russo-Turkish war of 1806-1812. They cannot look further away from the typical Moldovan girls. In fact if you see Moldovan girls looking like that they must have Bulgarian ancestry of Bulgarian family names proving the same. Like this singer called Alexandrina Hristov. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iNDrZPctw1E... Where do you see the Asian in those girls?

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[WeirdLookingFellow]

Is there a guide to phenotypes somewhere? I'm not as informed as you guys apparently are in this field.

Read answers here, check phenotype on google, see if you find it correct, reproduce.

Basically fake it till you make it.

[artsi]

Well, that scum includes all the cultural and historic figures of Moldova, starting from writers and ending with statesmen.

”All the cultural and historical figures” is a lie. More like some scum promoted by Romanians because it suits their agenda. There are some prostitutes like the Serb Iminovici, or the Greek-Jew Alecsandri, Armenian Asachi etc starting with the XIXth century when this artificial Romanian nation was created. Before that in spoken language the word romîn wasn't used at all. In Valahia and Transylvania there was in use the word rumîn, but usually it meant serf. In Moldova that word wasn't used or even known with he exception by the immigrants from Transylvania and Valahia. Romîn, an artificial, bookish term was used by the likes of Miron Costin or Dimitrie Cantemir in propaganda writting with the meaning of Roman or Eastern Romance speaking people. On the other hand, when they described the real historic events, they used Moldovan exclusively. They could not write Romanians did this or did that because there were no Romanians at that time and a nonexistent people cannot do things.

[Ion Basescul]

”All the cultural and historical figures” is a lie. More like some scum promoted by Romanians because it suits their agenda. There are some prostitutes like the Serb Iminovici, or the Greek-Jew Alecsandri, Armenian Asachi etc starting with the XIXth century when this artificial Romanian nation was created. Before that in spoken language the word romîn wasn't used at all. In Valahia and Transylvania there was in use the word rumîn, but usually it meant serf. In Moldova that word wasn't used or even known with he exception by the immigrants from Transylvania and Valahia. Romîn, an artificial, bookish term was used by the likes of Miron Costin or Dimitrie Cantemir in propaganda writting with the meaning of Roman or Eastern Romance speaking people. On the other hand, when they described the real historic events, they used Moldovan exclusively. They could not write Romanians did this or did that because there were no Romanians at that time and a nonexistent people cannot do things.

I don't buy into conspiracy theories or revisionism. It is a fact that all of our past and present intelligentsia in Moldova identified and identify either as Romanian or Russian, Ukrainian and Jewish. All of them are Moldovan citizens first of all, but they also have every right in the world to identify with their ethnicity.
Moldovan is simply a peasant (rural) identity of Romanians and there's nothing wrong with that. Everyone in my family are peasants (rurals) if I go back 80 years. Ironically, the situation is similar to that of ruman in Wallachia during medieval times, where it used to mean a peasant who doesn't own land.

[artsi]

And the percentage of those who choose this identity is rising every day.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/81/Rep.Moldova_-_Harta_Etnic%C4%83_%282014%29.png

That's called cultural genocide. All the Romanians in Moldova are nothing else than Moldovans that were subjected by the so called Moldovan state to cultural genocide. Republic of Moldova should be subjected to heavy international sanctions. It should be excluded from UN etc. Such a state that is destroying its own nation is unique in the world and no wonder it its a joke and the poorest state in Europe.

[Ion Basescul]

That's called cultural genocide. All the Romanians in Moldova are nothing else than Moldovans that were subjected by the so called Moldovan state to cultural genocide. Republic of Moldova should be subjected to heavy international sanctions. It should be excluded from UN etc. Such a state that is destroying its own nation is unique in the world and no wonder it its a joke and the poorest state in Europe.

It's not unique. The same thing happened in Italy, Germany and France, where they actually had different dialects that could be called languages in their own right. Those dialects were tied to ethnic identities. Our situation is pretty much nothing of significance in comparison. We are very close, especially considering that there are more Moldovans living in Romania than in Moldova :D

[artsi]

I don't buy into conspiracy theories or revisionism. It is a fact that all of our past and present intelligentsia in Moldova identified and identify either as Romanian or Russian, Ukrainian and Jewish. All of them are Moldovan citizens first of all, but they also have every right in the world to identify with their ethnicity.
Moldovan is simply a peasant identity of Romanians and there's nothing wrong with that. Everyone in my family are peasants if I go back 80 years. Ironically, the situation is similar to that of ruman in Wallachia during medieval times, where it used to mean a peasant who doesn't own land.

Same ridiculous lies. Romanians are all of peasant origin. Rumîn meant the lowest form of human being, a peasant slave. Calling a Moldovan rumîn was the worse insult. A clear proof is the account of Alecsandri when the Romanian propagandist scum, like him, in Iași of 1859 was trying to fool the Moldovans they are Romanians and they should give their country to the gypsy crooks, was replied by a boyar: „Nu-mi spune mie romîn, romîn e țăranul, eu sînt boier moldovan.” ”Don't call me Romanian, Romanian is the peasant, I am Moldovan nobleman”. It is amazing that the scum of the earth managed to convinced the idiots that what was scum for centuries, is now the upper class, and what was the upper class, the Moldovans, are now peasants. That's why the world is calling you gypsies.

[Ion Basescul]

Same ridiculous lies. Romanians are all of peasant origin. Rumîn meant the lowest form of human being, a peasant slave. Calling a Moldovan rumîn was the worse insult. A clear proof is the account of Alecsandri when the Romanian propagandist scum, like him, in Iași of 1859 was trying to fool the Moldovans they are Romanians and they should give their country to the gypsy crooks, was replied by a boyar: „Nu-mi spune mie romîn, romîn e țăranul, eu sînt boier moldovan.” ”Don't call me Romanian, Romanian is the peasant, I am Moldovan nobleman”. It is amazing that the scum of the earth managed to convinced the idiots that what was scum for century is now the upper class, and what was the upper class, the Moldovans, are now peasants. That's why the world is calling you gypsies.

You don't understand a thing. I will try to explain in very simple terms.
Romanian, Moldovan, Russian, German, whatever; if one goes back 100-200 years down their family trees then chances are that for most people their ancestors were peasants. Most of you guys have at most one boyar in your family trees. The rest were "peasant slaves" aka the lowest forms of human beings, as you like to call them.
However, in recent times, in Republic of Moldova, a growing number of people whose ancestors traditionally identified as Moldovans, tend to prefer to identify as Romanian. This identity is viewed as a more cosmopolitan and educated version of Moldovan.
It doesn't matter that Romanian was also a peasant identity in the past. Right now people associate it with a higher and more urban status, as opposed to the stereotypical rural and drunk Moldovan.

It's a deliberate choice.

[artsi]

It's not unique. The same thing happened in Italy, Germany and France, where they actually had different dialects that could be called languages in their own right. Those dialects were tied to ethnic identities. Our situation is pretty much nothing of significance in comparison. We are very close, especially considering that there are more Moldovans living in Romania than in Moldova :D

That's not true. Italy is the ancient name of the peninsula, not an artificial name created in the XIXth century like in the case of Romania. There are also a lot of languages recognized in Italy to this day and I don't think there are scums promoting their eradication as the Gypsies do in Moldova. Germany was also an ancient name. Italy and Germany happened in the XIXth century when cultural genocide was not a crime. We live now in the XXIth century, when what's happening in Moldova is considering a crime against humanity. France has no similarity with Romania except the centralized government, a thing for the scum among scum to live like parasites exploiting tens of millions of fools.

[Ion Basescul]

That's not true. Italy is the ancient name of the peninsula, not an artificial name created in the XIXth century like in the case of Romania. There are also a lot of languages recognized in Italy to this day and I don't think there are scums promoting their eradication as the Gypsies do in Moldova. Germany was also an ancient name. Italy and Germany happened in the XIXth century when cultural genocide was not a crime. We live now in the XXIth century, when what's happening in Moldova is considering a crime against humanity. France has no similarity with Romania except the centralized government, a thing for the scum among scum to live like parasites exploiting tens of millions of fools.

Educate yourself, maldavaska.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vergonha

Also you are extremely racist for blaming Gypsies on what Moldovan Romanians are doing in Moldova.
I guess it's easier to pick on people who are marginalised and discriminated like Gypsies, since you won't stand a chance against Romanians.

[artsi]

You don't understand a thing. I will try to explain in very simple terms.
However, in recent times, in Republic of Moldova, people whose ancestors traditionally identified as Moldovans, tend to prefer to identify as Romanian. This identity is viewed as a more cosmopolitan and educated version of Moldovan.
It's a deliberate choice.
That's not a deliberate choice. The cosmopolitan and educated? Have you no shame? All the cultural institutions in Moldova are promoting the cultural genocide of Moldovans. Are any Moldovan history manual in schools? Manuals of Moldovan language and literature? Moldovan dictionaries? Whats happening in Moldova is the institutionalized mancurtization of the Moldovan youth. After 20 years or so of unleashed brainwashing in schools, not to mention mass-media, the ones that still have the same identity as their parents and ancestors are to be considered heroes. There is no Moldovan education available in Moldova. For 30 years it is only Romanian education available in Moldova. If anybody normal can consider that education. So, how can you have a Moldovan elite if any educated person is forced to go thorough that low quality education that has as the only purpose the brainwashing of Moldovans. The Gypsy thieves and their prostitute collaborators robbed Moldova of its Moldovan elite.
If things go on like that, you will succeed, Moldova will no longer be, and your dream for your daughter to prostitute herself for some Gypsy on the Bucharest bypass will be accomplished. For some of those that consider themselves Romanians the dream is already alive, as the Moldovan authorities are all the time arresting the Romanian pimps at the border of Moldova, and obviously they cannot get them all. The Moldovan authorities are a huge hurdle for your dreams. Unfortunately, your accursed kind will drag the decent people with you as well.

[artsi]

Educate yourself, maldavaska.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vergonha

Also you are extremely racist for blaming Gypsies on what Moldovan Romanians are doing in Moldova.
I guess it's easier to pick on people who are marginalised and discriminated like Gypsies, since you won't stand a chance against Romanians.

To me and most of the world, there is no difference between Romanians and Gypsies. Actually this association might be insulting for the Gypsies, as at least the Gypsies gave a lot to the world with their music. You have only what is worst in the Gypsies.

[ioan assen]

There's nothing wrong with a Moldovan regional identity. However, Moldovan is not an ethnicity and never was.

why does this sounds familiar for a Bulgarian? And I see you have those crazies in Moldova too. So sad to see another ethncity divided.

[artsi]

There's nothing wrong with a Moldovan regional identity. However, Moldovan is not an ethnicity and never was.

No, Romanian is not an ethnicity and never was, that's why in Serbia there are Vlachs, in Moldova and Ukraine Moldovans etc. Romanian identity is an abomination created in the XIXth century by madmen. It failed to spread in the lands that the criminal organization called Romania did not occupy. Actually in Moldova there are 56 years of Gypsy brainwashing 1918-1940, 1941-1944, 1989-2020.

BTW, Romanians were considered Gypsies even in the Principality of Moldovia before its anexation in 1859.

„Cînd am venit să ne așezăm la Căiuți, vechilul moșiei era medelnicerul Manolache Oatu, un fiu de răzăș din satul Stîncășanii, de la ținutul Tutovei, care se afla în serviciul tatei de douăzeci și doi sau douăzeci și trei de ani, începîndu-l în însușire de camardiner, însușire în care cei mai norocoși și mai deștepți din această clasă de oameni începeau să se ridice, ajungînd uneori pînă la cele mai înalte slujbe al statului.

Deoarece el alcătuia atunci tipul adevărat al mazilului moldovan de atunci, de vîrstă matură, cu cultură rudimentară, dar care fusese în necontenit contact cu oameni mai culți, voi vorbi mai pe larg despre el.

Eu de la început l-am iubit pe „moșu Manolache”, cum eram deprins să-i zic, dar mai ales ceva mai tîrziu, după ce m-am mai ridicat și mi s-a mai format mintea, fiindcă era patriot mare și-mi vorbea necontenit de Ștefan cel Mare și de izbînzile lui. Și cu ce însuflețire!

Îi plăcea mult miliția moldovenească, o găsea frumoasă și era convins că este vitează, dar un lucru îl supăra foarte: faptul că muzica ei cînta cîntece străine: niște „fleacuri de marșuri nemțești” care n-aveau cum să însuflețească pe oșteni. Ar fi vrut să cînte numai doine. „Cîntînd doine”, zicea el, „se aruncau vitejii lui Ștefan cel Mare la năvală, numai ele sunt în stare să stîrnească dorul de voinicie în oștenii moldoveni”. [… ]

Cunoștințele lui asupra istoriei Moldovei le căpătase Manolache Oatu în Istoria Moldovei pe 500 de ani, a postelnicului Manolache Drăghici, pe care o poseda și din care știa unele părți pe de rost. Apoi se mai găseau la el niște călindare cu nuvele de ale lui Gheorghe Asache, Costache Negruzzi și a altora. În adevărul frumoasei nuvele prin care Costache Negruzzi povestește pe cît de eroică, dar pe atît de închipuită apărare împotriva oștirii lui Sobieski, a Cetății Neamțului, de cătră o mînă de șăseprezece plăieși moldoveni, avea o credință de stîncă, pe care, dealtmintrelea, mi-o în – culcase și mie; o știa pe de rost și de atîtea ori mi-a povestit-o, încît o învațasem și eu tot așa de bine. Mai era un lucru care mă năcăja rău în Manolache Oatu și acesta era faptul că nu voia să fie roman de viță, ci dac. Și tata mă învățase că romanii, după ce înfrînsese pe daci, îi tăiase absolut pe toți, nemailăsînd nici macar unul de sămînță. Cu toate că Manolache avea Istoria Moldovei a lui Drăghici, tot mai mare nădejde aveam în știința tatei, care fusese la Universitatea din München, despre care ni povestea istorii atît de minunate. Apoi auzisem atîtea despre romani, încît, fără a-mi da bine samă ce fusese ei, îmi plăcea mai bine să fiu neam de roman decît neam de dac.

— Moșu Manolache, crede-mă, îi ziceam, între un roman și un dac este aceeași deosebire ca între un moldovan și un țigan.

Dar Manolache de feli nu se lăsa convins și susținea cu încăpățînare că într-însul nu este nici picătură de sînge roman, numai sînge dac, fără amestec. El, în copilăria lui, învățase ceva carte grecească, era în stare să mai rupă binișor grecește și la bătrînețe, dar nu putea suferi pe greci, pentru care avea un dispreț nemărginit. Știa o mulțime de fapte spre rușinea sau defaimarea acestui neam, unele din care le-am auzit povestite de oameni de samă, iar altele se găseau reproduse în acte.

Fiind în slujba tatei, membru de samă al partidului Unirii, Manolache Oatu n-avea cum să nu fie unionist (prostituat) și era deci agent zelos al Unirii, predicînd-o ori pe unde călca. Dar bănuiesc că, în fundul inimei, era separatist (patriot), căci numai în bine nu vorbea de frații noștri de peste Milcov, și, de cîte ori era sigur că tata nu-l aude sau nu se va găsi cine să-l denunțe, zicea că oameni proști ca boierii mari moldoveni el n-a mai văzut. Și cînd îl întrebai pentru ce, cînd îl mînca limba mai tare, răspundea că numai niște proști pot să deie de bunăvoie, pe mîna unor străini mai numeroși decît ei, puterea ce o dețin, că muntenii, fiind mai mulți la număr decît noi, o vor stăpîni totdeauna ei, că, prin urmare, toate slujbele, cele mari și cele mai multe din cele mici, le vor lua ei, pentru dînșii, lăsîndu-ni nouă numai „ciurucul”, că au să mute scaunul domniei la București, pentru ca să fie și mai între ei și pentru ca casele lor de acolo să capete și mai mare preț iar ale boierilor noștri din Ieși să nu mai facă nici a treia parte din ce făceau pînă acuma. Și, cînd cele prezise de el au început să se adeverească și să se înfăptuiască, era foarte mîndru de prevederea de care dăduse dovezi. Nu mai vorbesc de cele ce le povestea despre fanfaronada munteanului, despre lauda lui despre sine, despre limba lui „întocmai ca a țiganilor șatrași de la noi” și despre pielea lor smolită ca acea a neamului țigănesc.”

[Ion Basescul]

why does this sounds familiar for a Bulgarian? And I see you have those crazies in Moldova too. So sad to see another ethncity divided.

They are a very small percentage of the population and usually keep quiet IRL. It also helps that they are the dumbest.

There's like one or two groups of moldovenists who usually gather like 10 people,. They also barely speak "Moldovan" :lol: .
Compare that to Moldovan Romanian groups that can fill stadiums, won the independence of the country in 1992 and absolutely wrecked the government in 2009.

In comparison to them, moldovenists like artsi are akin to chihuahuas.

[IrisSelene]

No, Romanian is not an ethnicity and never was, that's why in Serbia there are Vlachs, in Moldova and Ukraine Moldovans etc. Romanian identity is an abomination created in the XIXth century by madmen. It failed to spread in the lands that the criminal organization called Romania did not occupy. Actually in Moldova there are 56 years of Gypsy brainwashing 1918-1940, 1941-1944, 1989-2020.

BTW, Romanians were considered Gypsies even in the Principality of Moldovia before its anexation in 1859.

„Cînd am venit să ne așezăm la Căiuți, vechilul moșiei era medelnicerul Manolache Oatu, un fiu de răzăș din satul Stîncășanii, de la ținutul Tutovei, care se afla în serviciul tatei de douăzeci și doi sau douăzeci și trei de ani, începîndu-l în însușire de camardiner, însușire în care cei mai norocoși și mai deștepți din această clasă de oameni începeau să se ridice, ajungînd uneori pînă la cele mai înalte slujbe al statului.

Deoarece el alcătuia atunci tipul adevărat al mazilului moldovan de atunci, de vîrstă matură, cu cultură rudimentară, dar care fusese în necontenit contact cu oameni mai culți, voi vorbi mai pe larg despre el.

Eu de la început l-am iubit pe „moșu Manolache”, cum eram deprins să-i zic, dar mai ales ceva mai tîrziu, după ce m-am mai ridicat și mi s-a mai format mintea, fiindcă era patriot mare și-mi vorbea necontenit de Ștefan cel Mare și de izbînzile lui. Și cu ce însuflețire!

Îi plăcea mult miliția moldovenească, o găsea frumoasă și era convins că este vitează, dar un lucru îl supăra foarte: faptul că muzica ei cînta cîntece străine: niște „fleacuri de marșuri nemțești” care n-aveau cum să însuflețească pe oșteni. Ar fi vrut să cînte numai doine. „Cîntînd doine”, zicea el, „se aruncau vitejii lui Ștefan cel Mare la năvală, numai ele sunt în stare să stîrnească dorul de voinicie în oștenii moldoveni”. [… ]

Cunoștințele lui asupra istoriei Moldovei le căpătase Manolache Oatu în Istoria Moldovei pe 500 de ani, a postelnicului Manolache Drăghici, pe care o poseda și din care știa unele părți pe de rost. Apoi se mai găseau la el niște călindare cu nuvele de ale lui Gheorghe Asache, Costache Negruzzi și a altora. În adevărul frumoasei nuvele prin care Costache Negruzzi povestește pe cît de eroică, dar pe atît de închipuită apărare împotriva oștirii lui Sobieski, a Cetății Neamțului, de cătră o mînă de șăseprezece plăieși moldoveni, avea o credință de stîncă, pe care, dealtmintrelea, mi-o în – culcase și mie; o știa pe de rost și de atîtea ori mi-a povestit-o, încît o învațasem și eu tot așa de bine. Mai era un lucru care mă năcăja rău în Manolache Oatu și acesta era faptul că nu voia să fie roman de viță, ci dac. Și tata mă învățase că romanii, după ce înfrînsese pe daci, îi tăiase absolut pe toți, nemailăsînd nici macar unul de sămînță. Cu toate că Manolache avea Istoria Moldovei a lui Drăghici, tot mai mare nădejde aveam în știința tatei, care fusese la Universitatea din München, despre care ni povestea istorii atît de minunate. Apoi auzisem atîtea despre romani, încît, fără a-mi da bine samă ce fusese ei, îmi plăcea mai bine să fiu neam de roman decît neam de dac.

— Moșu Manolache, crede-mă, îi ziceam, între un roman și un dac este aceeași deosebire ca între un moldovan și un țigan.

Dar Manolache de feli nu se lăsa convins și susținea cu încăpățînare că într-însul nu este nici picătură de sînge roman, numai sînge dac, fără amestec. El, în copilăria lui, învățase ceva carte grecească, era în stare să mai rupă binișor grecește și la bătrînețe, dar nu putea suferi pe greci, pentru care avea un dispreț nemărginit. Știa o mulțime de fapte spre rușinea sau defaimarea acestui neam, unele din care le-am auzit povestite de oameni de samă, iar altele se găseau reproduse în acte.

Fiind în slujba tatei, membru de samă al partidului Unirii, Manolache Oatu n-avea cum să nu fie unionist (prostituat) și era deci agent zelos al Unirii, predicînd-o ori pe unde călca. Dar bănuiesc că, în fundul inimei, era separatist (patriot), căci numai în bine nu vorbea de frații noștri de peste Milcov, și, de cîte ori era sigur că tata nu-l aude sau nu se va găsi cine să-l denunțe, zicea că oameni proști ca boierii mari moldoveni el n-a mai văzut. Și cînd îl întrebai pentru ce, cînd îl mînca limba mai tare, răspundea că numai niște proști pot să deie de bunăvoie, pe mîna unor străini mai numeroși decît ei, puterea ce o dețin, că muntenii, fiind mai mulți la număr decît noi, o vor stăpîni totdeauna ei, că, prin urmare, toate slujbele, cele mari și cele mai multe din cele mici, le vor lua ei, pentru dînșii, lăsîndu-ni nouă numai „ciurucul”, că au să mute scaunul domniei la București, pentru ca să fie și mai între ei și pentru ca casele lor de acolo să capete și mai mare preț iar ale boierilor noștri din Ieși să nu mai facă nici a treia parte din ce făceau pînă acuma. Și, cînd cele prezise de el au început să se adeverească și să se înfăptuiască, era foarte mîndru de prevederea de care dăduse dovezi. Nu mai vorbesc de cele ce le povestea despre fanfaronada munteanului, despre lauda lui despre sine, despre limba lui „întocmai ca a țiganilor șatrași de la noi” și despre pielea lor smolită ca acea a neamului țigănesc.”What would you say I am if not Romanian then? Since you're so smart. And Romanian is a fake ethnicity. [emoji28]

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[Ion Basescul]

Famous Moldovan moldovenists like artsi
https://st.unimedia.info/content/news/big/video--foto-live-text-statalistii-incearca-sa-zadarniceasca-marsul-unirii-1347801238.jpg
http://tv8.md/wp-content/uploads/2018/01/26195613_735728076624035_766980945855897668_n.png
http://m.trm.md/img/pages/2020/1/29/vladimir-voronin-invitatul-emisiunii-loc-de-dialog/news-category-vladimir-voronin-invitatul-emisiunii-loc-de-dialog.png
https://media.publika.md/en/image/201904/w720/tirdeaq_34355400_96882300.jpg


Famous Moldovan Romanians
https://kingofromania.files.wordpress.com/2020/01/andreinastasestaresoffintospace.jpg
https://media.topmedia.md/image/201605/700x/68a4f21a8b3c88ee9e1697ce4b9c7e88.jpg
https://www.irishtimes.com/polopoly_fs/1.3927371!/image/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_620/image.jpg
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/4HMlrk_7BPA/maxresdefault.jpg


Bonus:
White moldovenists
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/3SlGnEFfwRA/maxresdefault.jpg

Brown gypsies
https://flux24.ro/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/unir3.jpg

Also note the magnitude of the moldovenist crowd. I think in this photo they are more numerous than usual :lol:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwkul_TW9t0

[Laag]

Brown gypsies
https://flux24.ro/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/unir3.jpg



These brown gypsies look whiter and more European than regular Romanians who look rather like MENAs. Are you sure they are gypsies?

[Aspirin]

Strange... These brown gypsies look whiter and more European than regular Romanians who look rather MENAs. Are you sure they are gypsies?

Is just an irony. These are pro-Romanian Moldavians, and because they are pro-Romanian they are Gypsies too, since Romanians are associated with Gypsies. This is what he wanted to say.

[artsi]

Exactly, they say only 2 things:

1. muh gypsy, manele.

2. all moldovan intellectuals are prostitutes, starting with the medieval chroniclers, because they state the obvious: that moldovans are romanians.

There were no such things as Romanians in the Middle Ages. Romanians are a XIXth century invention. The medieval chroniclers were not medieval. The XVIIth century chroniclers were saying the Moldovans were Latins. Actually there is only one named Miron Costin quoted also by Cantemir. He wrote things like the Slavic nations are Slavs, Germanic nations are Germans and the Moldovans, Valahians and Valahians from Transylvania are Rîmleni, or Romans, or Rumîni a term with a lot of meanings main one being serf, but that also was used by some Moldovans as a bookish term, because of the similarity, with the meaning of Roman or Latin.

But also Miron Costin wrote that Valahians are a different race compared with Moldovans, as the Valahians were black, meaning very dark, with very dark skin and hair. So how the hell they were the same nation when they weren't and aren't to this day, despite the mixing, the same race. if anybody is interested I will paste the quote.

So that's all, misinterpretations of a chronicler? How about Neculce, or Ureche? You promote or falsify the primitive nationalism of madmen foreigners or prostitutes like Iminovici, but for every prostitute there are lots of true Moldovans that of course are not being thought about in the schools of the criminal organization called Romanian state.

[Ion Basescul]

Can we start a go fund me to get an autosomal DNA test for artsi? I want to see the regions of ancestry that he will get for Romania.

[Aspirin]

What proof do you have that majority of Romanians listen to it? What proof do you have that Moldovans listen less of it?

STFU.

Gypsy rappers are fine, it's a way of integration.
When your national anthem is sung by Gypsies on national television, this pretty much tells about cultural landscape of Romania.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wr-drjTqpLg

[Ion Basescul]

Then your national anthem is sung by Gypsies on national television, this pretty much tells about cultural landscape of Romania.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wr-drjTqpLg

I would like for our anthem to be sung by ethnic minorities. But in reality, our country is de facto and de jure split in two, because of ethnic conflicts between Russophones and Romanophones. Yet, we are the ones to point fingers at others for being better at reconciliating their ethnic differences...

[ixulescu]

When your national anthem is sung by Gypsies on national television, this pretty much tells about cultural landscape of Romania.


They want to be Romanian - good for them. In the past they wanted to stay gypsy, which only brought them poverty. I'm glad they're changing.

[Zmey Gorynych]

Artsi is not a moldovan. He's playing you like a fiddle. How can you lot not see that?

The girls look a bit southern for moldovans.

[The Blade]

Alpine-Meds.

[Nurzat]

such looks are deeply native to the area - they may have arrived recently as Bulgarians but the ancient Globular Amphora or Cucuteni populations were very Sardinian-like genetically and inhabited areas even much more to the north and to the east.

that skin tone is perfect - just imagine it :love0031:

[Jana]

such looks are deeply native to the area - they may have arrived recently as Bulgarians but the ancient Globular Amphora or Cucuteni populations were very Sardinian-like genetically and inhabited areas even much more to the north and to the east.

that skin tone is perfect - just imagine it :love0031:

Right girl passes easily as Sardinian in my opinion. She is very Med, gracile Med even. Person who said they look central Asian must be mental.

[Aspirin]

Just look at this, how can such shitty music like this sung by these disgusting moldovașkas, bîdlas, russo-gypsies, and alcoholic mongrels can be even compared to the true Daco-Roman music played on Romanain national television.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1RuXsG7PC60

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHqd91eMT4U

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=th3dPiGwYb4

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15SrHr_Dj04

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0J67uahvqo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XSP7QJz6FzE

[ixulescu]

There were no such things as Romanians in the Middle Ages. Romanians are a XIXth century invention. The medieval chroniclers were not medieval.

Yes they were medieval. Eastern Europeans didn't have a transitional period (the Renaissance) between medieval times and the modern era. They went directly into modernity in the 18th century.



The XVIIth century chroniclers were saying the Moldovans were Latins. Actually there is only one named Miron Costin quoted also by Cantemir. He wrote things like the Slavic nations are Slavs, Germanic nations are Germans and the Moldovans, Valahians and Valahians from Transylvania are Rîmleni, or Romans, or Rumîni a term with a lot of meanings main one being serf, but that also was used by some Moldovans as a bookish term, because of the similarity, with the meaning of Roman or Latin.

But also Miron Costin wrote that Valahians are a different race compared with Moldovans, as the Valahians were black, meaning very dark, with very dark skin and hair. So how the hell they were the same nation when they weren't and aren't to this day, despite the mixing, the same race. if anybody is interested I will paste the quote.

So that's all, misinterpretations of a chronicler? How about Neculce, or Ureche? You promote or falsify the primitive nationalism of madmen foreigners or prostitutes like Iminovici, but for every prostitute there are lots of true Moldovans that of course are not being thought about in the schools of the criminal organization called Romanian state.

So you don't like M. Costin and Cantemir - then let's see what Ureche has to say:


Rumânii, câți să află lăcuitori la Țara Ungurească și la Ardeal și la Maramoroșu, de la un loc suntu cu moldovénii și toți de la Râm să trag.

Meaning:

Romanians, how many of them live in Hungary, Transylvania and Maramures, are from the same place as Moldovans, and all of them are descendants of Romans.

How could Ureche write in the 1600s about a creation of the 1800s?? (you just said Romanians are a creation of the 19th century)

The question is of course rhetorical - because as fartsi explained, all Moldovan intellectuals are prostitutes, including Eminescu (Iminovici), the national poet of Moldova. /s

[ixulescu]

Artsi is not a moldovan. He's playing you like a fiddle. How can you lot not see that?


He's a russified Moldovan. So you're right, he's not Moldovan.

[Zmey Gorynych]

Just look at this, how can such shitty music like this sung by these disgusting moldovașkas, bîdlas, russo-gypsies, and alcoholic mongrels can be even compared to the true Daco-Roman music played on Romanain national television.
Nu te implica in asemenea certuri inutile. Daca crezi ca esti in mod obiectiv deasupra lor atunci fii sigur ca n-ai cum iesi castigator in schimbul asta de insulte. Era o expresie cu - "te trage in jos si te bate cu experienta".


He's a russified Moldovan. So you're right, he's not Moldovan.
Not a moldovan of any kind is my guess.

[artsi]

Right girl passes easily as Sardinian in my opinion. She is very Med, gracile Med even. Person who said they look central Asian must be mental.

Bulgarians are from Central Asia and a lot of them look like Central Asians. Now, since they settled in the Balkans, Central Asia was settled by Turks, the reason they fled in the first place, and Mongols and they mixed in the Balkans slightly changing their appearance, but they still have the Central Asian look.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mrcgDhpS3uo

compare with

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udALVHSH9T4

[ixulescu]

Not a moldovan of any kind is my guess.

I doubt a non-Moldovan would even bring into discussion Moldovan chroniclers.

[Jana]

Bulgarians are from Central Asia and a lot of them look like Central Asians. Now, since they settled in the Balkans, Central Asia was settled by Turks, the reason they fled in the first place, and Mongols and they mixed in the Balkans slightly changing their appearance, but they still have the Central Asian look.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mrcgDhpS3uo

compare with

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udALVHSH9T4

Average Bulgarians just look Balkan. Turanids among them are small minority. And genetically they are very close to Romanians.

[artsi]

Yes they were medieval. Eastern Europeans didn't have a transitional period (the Renaissance) between medieval times and the modern era. They went directly into modernity in the 18th century.




So you don't like M. Costin and Cantemir - then let's see what Ureche has to say:


Meaning:


How could Ureche write in the 1600s about a creation of the 1800s?? (you just said Romanians are a creation of the 19th century)

The question is of course rhetorical - because as fartsi explained, all Moldovan intellectuals are prostitutes, including Eminescu (Iminovici), the national poet of Moldova. /s

Where are the Români? Rumâni is not the same thing as români. Rumâni had a lot of meanings, main meaning was serfs to be bought and sold, even lower than Gypsies who were free to roam the land. Also spare me with your ridiculous interpretation. 1600s were not Middle Ages. Ureche wrote Moldovans were Latins just like the serfs from Transylvania and Valahia. Rumâni being bred as serfs mixed with the Gypsy slaves, it is no wonder they behave as they do and is hard to tell who is a Gypsy and who is a Romanian. It is probably more correct to just refer to them as Gypsies, as Romanian is an artificial name. Rumâni doesn't translate ever as Romanians, you lowlife.

„Rumânii, câți să află lăcuitori la Țara Ungurească și la Ardeal și la Maramoroșu, de la un loc suntu cu moldovénii și toți de la Râm să trag.” He could have added the French, the Spanish and the Italians. Yeah, from Rome, meaning we were part of the Roman Empire, but different people, races, languages.

[Nurzat]

бэйец, да н-авец ку шини вэ сфэди... румыши иштя кари о дзыс кы-н Васлуй сы воргешти кам ка ла йи ла Бюкреш xD кум дзык йи: ЛоЛ

[Aspirin]

Nu te implica in asemenea certuri inutile. Daca crezi ca esti in mod obiectiv deasupra lor atunci fii sigur ca n-ai cum iesi castigator in schimbul asta de insulte. Era o expresie cu - "te trage in jos si te bate cu experienta".

Cînd eşti insultat, trebuie de stat deoparte? Ție îți place ce scriu ei aici? Am destul timp de cînd stau aici, am fost insultat de multe ori de ei pe aici, niciodată n-am avut vreo intenție rea împotriva lor din propria ințiativă, îi știu pe majoritatea ce reprezintă în parte. Tu uite-te ca majoritatea îs corciți cu ceva (rus, ucrainen, grec, sîrb, bulgar, turc, tatar), la urmă tot tu sau eu ieșim acei borîți mixați rusificați care nu știu a vorbi limba natală, pînă și accentul e atact că cică e rusesc. Un simplu cuvînt ca "ogheal" e catalogat de ei, mai ales de sudiști, ca împrumut rusesc, cuvînt folosit de sute de ani cică e un împrumut recent din cauza dominație Rusiei aici, iar corect e "plapumă" și "canapea". Dacă noi vorbim rusește, atunci ei ce, vorbesc țigănește? Ei au chiar o problemă mare cu țiganii, trebuie de negat asta? Și există o prăpastie enormă înte societatea românească și cea moldovenească, cît nu s-ar screme să schimbe mentalitatea sau identitatea la oamenii de aici, mare brînză aici nimic nu se va schimba, e de ajuns de uitat la rezultatele recensămintelor.

[artsi]

Average Bulgarians just look Balkan. Turanids among them are small minority. And genetically they are very close to Romanians.

The women in this video look like Central Asians. Not even Romanians from the South are looking like that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mrcgDhpS3uo

[IrisSelene]

The women in this video look like Central Asians. Not even Romanians from the South are looking like that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mrcgDhpS3uoYou rlly chose the worst quality video lol

Enviado desde mi CLT-L09 mediante Tapatalk

[Aspirin]

Bulgarians are from Central Asia and a lot of them look like Central Asians. Now, since they settled in the Balkans, Central Asia was settled by Turks, the reason they fled in the first place, and Mongols and they mixed in the Balkans slightly changing their appearance, but they still have the Central Asian look.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mrcgDhpS3uo

compare with

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udALVHSH9T4

Bro, stop with this, Bulgarians don't look Central Asian, they look Balkan, some look very Eastern Euro, I even did a thread about them compared to Moldavians.

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?307809-Difference-in-phenotype-between-Bulgarian-colonists-and-local-Moldavians-Leova-district-RM&highlight=Differences+moldavians

[ixulescu]

Where are the Români? Rumâni is not the same thing as români. Rumâni had a lot of meanings, main meaning was serfs to be bought and sold, even lower than Gypsies who were free to roam the land. Also spare me with your ridiculous interpretation. 1600s were not Middle Ages. Ureche wrote Moldovans were Latins just like the serfs from Transylvania and Valahia. Rumâni being bred as serfs mixed with the Gypsy slaves, it is no wonder they behave as they do and is hard to tell who is a Gypsy and who is a Romanian. It is probably more correct to just refer to them as Gypsies, as Romanian is an artificial name. Rumâni doesn't translate ever as Romanians, you lowlife.


You fucking clown, Цара Рꙋмѫнѣскъ or Țara Rumânească, was the official name of Wallachia. Yes, the word Rumân was in use and it meant the same thing as today: Romanian. The meaning serf was informal, but did exist, and it reflected the widespread of servitude in medieval times. However, the actual word for serf in documents was iobag.

And this is the 3) point gypsy mancurts like to say: Romanian meant serf. How could have I forgot?

[artsi]

Bro, stop with this, Bulgarians don't look Central Asian, they look Balkan, some look very Eastern Euro, I even did a thread about them compared to Moldavians.

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?307809-Difference-in-phenotype-between-Bulgarian-colonists-and-local-Moldavians-Leova-district-RM&highlight=Differences+moldavians

It is your opinion. Mine is that even those Bulgarian women have a lot of admixture, they still fit better with these Turkmen women, and not with the Italian or Spanish women or even Greek.

https://youtu.be/PGVyWxP13h4

[Nurzat]

ласац ўэй простиили, бец ун жин. румыши кряды ши враў. киздуцыли естя доўы дары тари буни ыс xD ни сы скўалы нума кыт ли вэд

[Ion Basescul]

So are we crowd funding an autosomal DNA test for artsi or not?

[IrisSelene]

It is your opinion. Mine is that even those Bulgarian women have a lot of admixture, they still fit better with these Turkmen women, and not with the Italian or Spanish women or even Greek.

https://youtu.be/PGVyWxP13h4Lol my grandma must of been of the lucky minority that aren't Turkmen then, [emoji23]

Enviado desde mi CLT-L09 mediante Tapatalk

[artsi]

You fucking clown, Цара Рꙋмѫнѣскъ or Țara Rumânească, was the official name of Wallachia. Yes, the word Rumân was in use and it meant the same thing as today: Romanian. The meaning serf was informal, but did exist, and it reflected the widespread of servitude in medieval times. However, the actual word for serf in documents was iobag.

And this is the 3) point gypsy mancurts like to say: Romanian meant serf. How could have I forgot?

Stop lying. In your documents, 99% times rumîn was used in purchase agreements, rumîn being the creatures bought and sold. Iobag is a Hungarian term conveniently used in modern times to hid the shame of being descendants of the lowest life forms.

[Ion Basescul]

Stop lying. In your documents, 99% times rumîn was used in purchase agreements, rumîn being the creatures bought and sold. Iobag is a Hungarian term conveniently used in modern times to hid the shame of being descendants of the lowest life forms.

Keep it up. A couple of days of sustained comments like these and even Aspirin will become a unionist to dissociate from any connection with you :lol:
But hey, I'm glad they have Wi-Fi at Costiujeni nowadays.

[Nurzat]

Keep it up. A couple of days of sustained comments like these and even Aspirin will become a unionist to dissociate from any connection with you :lol:
But hey, I'm glad they have Wi-Fi at Costiujeni nowadays.

we've got wi-fi here in Chișorcoș as well xD

[ixulescu]

Cînd eşti insultat, trebuie de stat deoparte? Ție îți place ce scriu ei aici? Am destul timp de cînd stau aici, am fost insultat de multe ori de ei pe aici, niciodată n-am avut vreo intenție rea împotriva lor din propria ințiativă, îi știu pe majoritatea ce reprezintă în parte. Tu uite-te ca majoritatea îs corciți cu ceva (rus, ucrainen, grec, sîrb, bulgar, turc, tatar), la urmă tot tu sau eu ieșim acei borîți mixați rusificați care nu știu a vorbi limba natală, pînă și accentul e atact că cică e rusesc. Un simplu cuvînt ca "ogheal" e catalogat de ei, mai ales de sudiști, ca împrumut rusesc, cuvînt folosit de sute de ani cică e un împrumut recent din cauza dominație Rusiei aici, iar corect e "plapumă" și "canapea". Dacă noi vorbim rusește, atunci ei ce, vorbesc țigănește? Ei au chiar o problemă mare cu țiganii, trebuie de negat asta? Și exiat o prăpastie enormă înte societatea românească și cea moldovenească, cît nu s-ar screme să schimbe mentalitatea sau identitatea la oamenii de aici, mare brînză aici nimic nu se va schimba, e de ajuns de uitat la rezultatele recensămintelor.


Faptul ca unii moldovenii din Republica au rude de alte etnii nu este o problema. Faptul ca preiau cuvinte din alte limbi, si unele dintre ele ajung sa aiba uz local (inclusiv "ogheal"), iarasi nu e o problema. Rusificarea nu a fost o decizie personala. Rusificarea a fost o politica de stat prin care moldovenii trebuiau sa devina o etnie slava. A inceput in timpul regimului tarist, dar a fost impinsa cu putere maxima in perioada stalinista, dupa razboi. Asocierea romanilor cu tiganii vine din perioada tarista, cand chiar Puskin a fost platit sa scrie articole de propaganda, prin care moldovenii trebuiau sa fie rusinati de propria etnie. Stalinistii, prin deportari masive si o foamete manufacturata au terorizat populatia in a accepta orice dictat moscovit, inclusiv crearea faimosului dictional Moldovenesco-Roman. Nu mai insist aici, faptele sunt clare: rusificarea a fost o politica de deznationalizare, ale carei efecte sunt inca vizibile. In acelasi timp, in ultimii 30 de ani se poate observa o din ce in ce mai buna constientizare a moldovenilor in privinta propriilor origini etnice, impreuna cu o stapanire a limbii romane din ce in ce mai buna.

[Ion Basescul]

we've got wi-fi here in Chișorcoș as well xD

Google didn't return anything, but I suppose that's also a local psychiatry?

[ixulescu]

Stop lying. In your documents, 99% times rumîn was used in purchase agreements, rumîn being the creatures bought and sold. Iobag is a Hungarian term conveniently used in modern times to hid the shame of being descendants of the lowest life forms.

Sure, show one such document.

You're such a fucking idiot, selling serfs was not legal. One could only sell land domains with serfs, but never serfs.

btw, servitude was just as widespread in Moldova as in Wallachia, no difference at all.

[Carpatz]

I'm trying to translate this Moldovan language text, but Google detects it as Romanian. Wtf.

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/445888351053283329/686652329403088937/unknown.png

[Nurzat]

...

xD mda da... ăpsăliutnă... și pe vasluieni, ieșeni, botoșăneni, nemțeni, tot sovieticii i-au învățat sutele de cuvinte „rusești” alaltăieri... :rolleyes:

[Viridian1]

Cuties. From this perspective Pontid and Alpine

[Nurzat]

Google didn't return anything, but I suppose that's also a local psychiatry?

nu știem și-i Costiujăniu. aișia la noi îi dzîși Socola. la rumîși îi dzîși Spitalul 9 sau La Obregia

[Ion Basescul]

nu știem și-i Costiujăniu. aișia la noi îi dzîși Socola. la rumîși îi dzîși Spitalul 9 sau La Obregia

blea, ii destul de crinjova cum scrii daca cesna
inchipuie-ti cum avea sa arate engleza, daca se scria asa cum se pronunta

[Nurzat]

Romanians mocking Bulgarian language in a mainstream commercial - all words ending in -tătă xD


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8c9f0BzlpP4

[Aileron]

Alpines

[artsi]

Treptele cele mai defavorizate ale scării sociale erau împărțite între români și țigani. De altfel, etnonimul care va constitui o mândrie în generația pașoptistă, desemna, cu un secol și ceva în urmă, într-o variantă ușor alterată fonetic, starea de robie; “rumân” era, practic, sinonim cu “rob”. Situația este cel mai bine documentată în Oltenia, aflată circa două decenii (1718 – 1739) sub ocupație austriacă, altfel spus, integrată în Imperiul Habsburgic. Lămuritor pentru discuția noastră este următorul fragment, preluat din monografia lui Şerban Papacostea:

“Caracteristica fundamentală a situației rumânilor era dependența personală, care îi situa în afara categoriei oamenilor liberi. Cât de mult se apropiase rumânia de robie în realitatea socială și în însăși mentalitatea contemporanilor, o lasă să se întrevadă jalba unui țăran din satul Seaca al Mânăstirii Dintr-un Lemn, care caută sprijin la Administrație [Administrația austriacă din Craiova, n.m.] împotriva încercării stareței de a-l rumâni, în pofida faptului că neamul său se răscumparase de rumânie; pledându-și cauza, el își încheia plângerea arătând că nu iaste cu dreptate să fiu și prădat cu bani și să rămâi și robu (deci rumân = rob).”


Nurzat, are you Dinu from Vaslui? That guy is half awake, but funny.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJ6cRT9vves

[Zmey Gorynych]

Cînd eşti insultat, trebuie de stat deoparte? Ție îți place ce scriu ei aici? Am destul timp de cînd stau aici, am fost insultat de multe ori de ei pe aici, niciodată n-am avut vreo intenție rea împotriva lor din propria ințiativă, îi știu pe majoritatea ce reprezintă în parte. Tu uite-te ca majoritatea îs corciți cu ceva (rus, ucrainen, grec, sîrb, bulgar, turc, tatar), la urmă tot tu sau eu ieșim acei borîți mixați rusificați care nu știu a vorbi limba natală, pînă și accentul e atact că cică e rusesc. Un simplu cuvînt ca "ogheal" e catalogat de ei, mai ales de sudiști, ca împrumut rusesc, cuvînt folosit de sute de ani cică e un împrumut recent din cauza dominație Rusiei aici, iar corect e "plapumă" și "canapea". Dacă noi vorbim rusește, atunci ei ce, vorbesc țigănește? Ei au chiar o problemă mare cu țiganii, trebuie de negat asta? Și există o prăpastie enormă înte societatea românească și cea moldovenească, cît nu s-ar screme să schimbe mentalitatea sau identitatea la oamenii de aici, mare brînză aici nimic nu se va schimba, e de ajuns de uitat la rezultatele recensămintelor.
Mdaa, temperamentul la tine nu-i moldovenesc. Daca va trimiteti in pula unii pe altii atunci care-i diferenta intre tine si dansii?

[Ion Basescul]

Treptele cele mai defavorizate ale scării sociale erau împărțite între români și țigani. De altfel, etnonimul care va constitui o mândrie în generația pașoptistă, desemna, cu un secol și ceva în urmă, într-o variantă ușor alterată fonetic, starea de robie; “rumân” era, practic, sinonim cu “rob”. Situația este cel mai bine documentată în Oltenia, aflată circa două decenii (1718 – 1739) sub ocupație austriacă, altfel spus, integrată în Imperiul Habsburgic. Lămuritor pentru discuția noastră este următorul fragment, preluat din monografia lui Şerban Papacostea:

“Caracteristica fundamentală a situației rumânilor era dependența personală, care îi situa în afara categoriei oamenilor liberi. Cât de mult se apropiase rumânia de robie în realitatea socială și în însăși mentalitatea contemporanilor, o lasă să se întrevadă jalba unui țăran din satul Seaca al Mânăstirii Dintr-un Lemn, care caută sprijin la Administrație [Administrația austriacă din Craiova, n.m.] împotriva încercării stareței de a-l rumâni, în pofida faptului că neamul său se răscumparase de rumânie; pledându-și cauza, el își încheia plângerea arătând că nu iaste cu dreptate să fiu și prădat cu bani și să rămâi și robu (deci rumân = rob).”


Nurzat, are you Dinu from Vaslui? That guy is half awake, but funny.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJ6cRT9vves

Proceeds to rant about being different in textbook literary Romanian :lol:

[ixulescu]

Treptele cele mai defavorizate ale scării sociale erau împărțite între români și țigani. De altfel, etnonimul care va constitui o mândrie în generația pașoptistă, desemna, cu un secol și ceva în urmă, într-o variantă ușor alterată fonetic, starea de robie; “rumân” era, practic, sinonim cu “rob”. Situația este cel mai bine documentată în Oltenia, aflată circa două decenii (1718 – 1739) sub ocupație austriacă, altfel spus, integrată în Imperiul Habsburgic. Lămuritor pentru discuția noastră este următorul fragment, preluat din monografia lui Şerban Papacostea:

“Caracteristica fundamentală a situației rumânilor era dependența personală, care îi situa în afara categoriei oamenilor liberi. Cât de mult se apropiase rumânia de robie în realitatea socială și în însăși mentalitatea contemporanilor, o lasă să se întrevadă jalba unui țăran din satul Seaca al Mânăstirii Dintr-un Lemn, care caută sprijin la Administrație [Administrația austriacă din Craiova, n.m.] împotriva încercării stareței de a-l rumâni, în pofida faptului că neamul său se răscumparase de rumânie; pledându-și cauza, el își încheia plângerea arătând că nu iaste cu dreptate să fiu și prădat cu bani și să rămâi și robu (deci rumân = rob).”


so what's your point. Ruman had the informal meaning of serf. But the regular meaning was romanian.

[brennus dux gallorum]

I will have to disagree with that. Most Greeks(mainlanders at least) have about the same facial structure with the 2 girls as well as the same skin complexion. By "horse faced" you probably mean the small Med types of the Islands lol

I have to disagree with that. Southern half mainlanders do not have this facial structure, this is at least what i have seen myself living in southern Greece for 2 years now.

It's a facial structure representing NATIVES non anatolians north of lamia (inland thessaly and inland Macedonia, not coasts of these regions), with the exception of pindus mountains where dinaric dominates

Overall stereotypical Balkan look represents the 20% of Greek population. On the other hand i have seen many people in peloponnese with small Mediterranean looks

[brennus dux gallorum]

When I say 'horse face' I mean types like Despina Vandi. I see those types are very common among Greek women.
What comes closer to these Bulgarian girls is Elena Paparizou type although Despina Vandi type is more common in Greece imo.

Vandi is pontian, and pontians are usually among the most round faced people in Greece.

The "horse face" which you describe represents southern mainland and Greek islands, the 60% of Greek population

Paparizou on contrary is from thessaly, where yes such Balkan/Bulgarian looks are not rare, i would say more common than in Macedonia or Thrace which are next door to Balkan countries

[Nurzat]

Vandi is pontian, and pontians are usually among the most round faced people in Greece.

The "horse face" which you describe represents southern mainland and Greek islands, the 60% of Greek population

Paparizou on contrary is from thessaly, where yes such Balkan/Bulgarian looks are not rare, i would say more common than in Macedonia or Thrace which are next door to Balkan countries

Paparizou is Swedish and Vandi is German by birth xD Tarkan is German too. all Greek singers are foreign? also Antique band is formed in Stockholm :D and Altın Gün is a band from Amsterdam :p

[Ülev]

I love women with that "horse face" :loveheart:
no kidding

[andre]

Cînd eşti insultat, trebuie de stat deoparte? Ție îți place ce scriu ei aici? Am destul timp de cînd stau aici, am fost insultat de multe ori de ei pe aici, niciodată n-am avut vreo intenție rea împotriva lor din propria ințiativă, îi știu pe majoritatea ce reprezintă în parte. Tu uite-te ca majoritatea îs corciți cu ceva (rus, ucrainen, grec, sîrb, bulgar, turc, tatar), la urmă tot tu sau eu ieșim acei borîți mixați rusificați care nu știu a vorbi limba natală, pînă și accentul e atact că cică e rusesc. Un simplu cuvînt ca "ogheal" e catalogat de ei, mai ales de sudiști, ca împrumut rusesc, cuvînt folosit de sute de ani cică e un împrumut recent din cauza dominație Rusiei aici, iar corect e "plapumă" și "canapea". Dacă noi vorbim rusește, atunci ei ce, vorbesc țigănește? Ei au chiar o problemă mare cu țiganii, trebuie de negat asta? Și există o prăpastie enormă înte societatea românească și cea moldovenească, cît nu s-ar screme să schimbe mentalitatea sau identitatea la oamenii de aici, mare brînză aici nimic nu se va schimba, e de ajuns de uitat la rezultatele recensămintelor.

Mă, ai invățat pe uliță să vorbești? :)

[Seya]

:laugh:

[Lioncourt]

Paparizou on contrary is from thessaly, where yes such Balkan/Bulgarian looks are not rare, i would say more common than in Macedonia or Thrace which are next door to Balkan countries

Paparizou doesn't look Bulgarian at all. Northern Greeks, from Macedonia, Epirus, Thrace or Thessaly, might look Balkan often, but their Balkan looks are still different from Bulgarians. The only Greeks that look similar to Bulgarians are the Slavophones (obviously) and some Pontians (who are most likely descendants of Greeks from Bulgarian Black sea).

[Freeroostah]

Whattttt?

Greek Islanders look Horse faced?:ohwell:

Well according to former user Sikeliot Islanders are Gracile Meds ........."horse faced" as Aspar said

[Tauromachos]

Paparizou doesn't look Bulgarian at all. Northern Greeks, from Macedonia, Epirus, Thrace or Thessaly, might look Balkan often, but their Balkan looks are still different from Bulgarians.


Exactly this^