View Full Version : Proto-Romanian K2
Ion Basescul
03-07-2020, 06:30 PM
This is a very simple model for Romanians and perhaps Bulgarians/Macedonians, Serbs and Bosnians based on the Eurogenes K13 coordinates.
Vlach_average is the average of these moderns from Eurogenes K13 (Vlach_Central-Macedonia, Vlach_North-Macedonia and Vlach_North-Macedonia-Highlander)
Early_Slav_average is the average of these ancients (Sungir6_Early_Medieval_Russian, RISE569_Early_Medieval_Czech and AV2_Hungary_Szolad)
Run the model on Vahaduo (https://vahaduo.github.io/vahaduo/) and follow these instructions (http://vahaduo.genetics.ovh/howtouse.htm) to get your Eurogenes K13 coordinates from GEDmatch.
v1
Early_Slav_average,29.0666666666667,43.69666666666 67,12.0566666666667,5.82666666666667,4.68666666666 667,0.736666666666667,0.163333333333333,0,2.05,0.8 36666666666667,0.223333333333333,0.633333333333333 ,0
Modern_Vlach_average,21.57,19.0833333333333,20.223 3333333333,11.3333333333333,21.9233333333333,4.51, 0.02,0.363333333333333,0,0.353333333333333,0.57666 6666666667,0.04,0
Context image
Vlachs
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/df/Vlachsche_Hirten_-_Schweiger_Lerchenfeld_Amand_%28freiherr_Von%29_-_1887.jpg
Early Slavs
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/47/%D0%91%D0%B0%D1%8F%D0%BD.jpg
v2 (+Early_Romanian/Balkanite, which was made by extracting the Slavic part from Modern_Vlach_average
and the Early Medieval Turkic/Tatar/Cuman/Pecheneg/Bulgar migrations)
Early_Slav_average,29.0666666666667,43.69666666666 67,12.0566666666667,5.82666666666667,4.68666666666 667,0.736666666666667,0.163333333333333,0,2.05,0.8 36666666666667,0.223333333333333,0.633333333333333 ,0
Early_Romanian/Balkanite,19.4060137457045,11.9784536082474,22.580 7216494845,12.9228865979381,26.8988659793814,5.599 20962199313,-0.0213745704467353,0.468213058419244,-0.591752577319588,0.21381443298969,0.6786597938144 34,-0.13127147766323,0
Turkic/Tatar/Cuman:Gokturk_DA89_Kazakhstan_607th_AD,23.34,24.27 ,0,17.19,0,0,0,5.24,26.14,0,0,0,3.81
Context image
Early Romanians
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b4/Barab%C3%A1s_Rom%C3%A1n_csal%C3%A1d.jpg
Early Turkic/Tatar/Cuman/Pecheneg
https://scontent-lhr8-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/s960x960/88138704_2899225290158845_7081082267036024832_o.jp g?_nc_cat=107&_nc_sid=110474&_nc_oc=AQk5-B7A4gqekFDCYemgsfzETJLostmknDwSaaLejgeZy7DL2PTO-QCXMcXp_T_7EKw&_nc_ht=scontent-lhr8-1.xx&_nc_tp=7&oh=3b37f90f3e7d1cfedb80381b4dde5450&oe=5E911B5C
v3 (+Early Medieval Germanic migrations)
Early_Slav_average,29.0666666666667,43.69666666666 67,12.0566666666667,5.82666666666667,4.68666666666 667,0.736666666666667,0.163333333333333,0,2.05,0.8 36666666666667,0.223333333333333,0.633333333333333 ,0
Early_Romanian/Balkanite,19.4060137457045,11.9784536082474,22.580 7216494845,12.9228865979381,26.8988659793814,5.599 20962199313,-0.0213745704467353,0.468213058419244,-0.591752577319588,0.21381443298969,0.6786597938144 34,-0.13127147766323,0
Turkic/Tatar/Cuman:Gokturk_DA89_Kazakhstan_607th_AD,23.34,24.27 ,0,17.19,0,0,0,5.24,26.14,0,0,0,3.81
Early_Germanic:SZ30_szolad_hungary_longobard_600th _AD,49.84,22.95,10.17,6.85,5.09,0.37,2.13,0.89,0,0 .77,0.3,0,0.65
Context image
Early Germanic
https://static.independent.co.uk/s3fs-public/thumbnails/image/2018/09/11/13/barbarian-warriors.jpg?w968
v4 (+Old Bulgar (https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?317031-Onogur-Bulgar-Gedmatch-Global25)migrations)
Early_Slav_average,29.0666666666667,43.69666666666 67,12.0566666666667,5.82666666666667,4.68666666666 667,0.736666666666667,0.163333333333333,0,2.05,0.8 36666666666667,0.223333333333333,0.633333333333333 ,0
Early_Romanian/Balkanite,19.4060137457045,11.9784536082474,22.580 7216494845,12.9228865979381,26.8988659793814,5.599 20962199313,-0.0213745704467353,0.468213058419244,-0.591752577319588,0.21381443298969,0.6786597938144 34,-0.13127147766323,0
Turkic/Tatar/Cuman:Gokturk_DA89_Kazakhstan_607th_AD,23.34,24.27 ,0,17.19,0,0,0,5.24,26.14,0,0,0,3.81
Early_Germanic:SZ30_szolad_hungary_longobard_600th _AD,49.84,22.95,10.17,6.85,5.09,0.37,2.13,0.89,0,0 .77,0.3,0,0.65
Onogur-Bulgar:DA142_620-920_AD,18.7,25.79,3.41,17.67,0,0,2.23,4.66,25.32,1 .99,0.22,0,0
Context image
Onogur-Bulgar
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/04/Bulgars.jpg
Results
v1
https://i.imgur.com/4CfFMGw.png
v2
https://i.imgur.com/1ex1vpY.png
v3
https://i.imgur.com/z9kUW6T.png
v4
https://i.imgur.com/MxQMG74.png
Carpatz
03-07-2020, 06:44 PM
Modeling Romanians as modern Aromanians + medieval Slavs? Lmao
Cumansky
03-07-2020, 06:55 PM
My race was set 7th Century AD when us Turks conquer Eastern Roman city
Kaspias
03-07-2020, 07:08 PM
Take an average of BGR_IA and Scythian_MDA samples. Model Vlach with it and Slav, then subtract Slav part. The remain will be Proto-Romanian.
Nurzat
03-07-2020, 07:26 PM
some individuals from Moldova region, Romania, named by county
Target: Suceava-2
Distance: 439.9253% / 4.39925310
53.8 Vlach_average
46.2 Early_Slav_average
Target: Suceava-1
Distance: 427.6122% / 4.27612159
51.4 Early_Slav_average
48.6 Vlach_average
Target: Botosani
Distance: 400.4103% / 4.00410268
53.2 Early_Slav_average
46.8 Vlach_average
Target: Neamt
Distance: 601.9991% / 6.01999120
68.8 Vlach_average
31.2 Early_Slav_average
Target: Vaslui-2
Distance: 397.6226% / 3.97622641
63.0 Vlach_average
37.0 Early_Slav_average
Target: Vaslui-1
Distance: 205.2449% / 2.05244920
61.0 Vlach_average
39.0 Early_Slav_average
andre
03-07-2020, 07:33 PM
Target: K13
Distance: 544.4932% / 5.44493190 | ADC: 0.25x
66.6 Vlach_average
33.4 Early_Slav_average
Dušan
03-07-2020, 07:37 PM
Me:
https://i.imgur.com/92U83MF.jpg
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Ion Basescul
03-07-2020, 07:54 PM
Modeling Romanians as modern Aromanians + medieval Slavs? Lmao
Yes, I don't agree with the theory of migration from the Balkans, but it's an interesting exercise nonetheless.
Ion Basescul
03-07-2020, 07:55 PM
some individuals from Moldova region, Romania, named by county
Target: Suceava-2
Distance: 439.9253% / 4.39925310
53.8 Vlach_average
46.2 Early_Slav_average
Target: Suceava-1
Distance: 427.6122% / 4.27612159
51.4 Early_Slav_average
48.6 Vlach_average
Target: Botosani
Distance: 400.4103% / 4.00410268
53.2 Early_Slav_average
46.8 Vlach_average
Target: Neamt
Distance: 601.9991% / 6.01999120
68.8 Vlach_average
31.2 Early_Slav_average
Target: Vaslui-2
Distance: 397.6226% / 3.97622641
63.0 Vlach_average
37.0 Early_Slav_average
Target: Vaslui-1
Distance: 205.2449% / 2.05244920
61.0 Vlach_average
39.0 Early_Slav_average
Can you pm me the kits please?
I'll ask Lukasz to add them to the GEDmatch vahaduo calculators.
Ion Basescul
03-07-2020, 07:56 PM
Take an average of BGR_IA and Scythian_MDA samples. Model Vlach with it and Slav, then subtract Slav part. The remain will be Proto-Romanian.
Good idea, I'll give it a try.
Ion Basescul
03-07-2020, 08:20 PM
Take an average of BGR_IA and Scythian_MDA samples. Model Vlach with it and Slav, then subtract Slav part. The remain will be Proto-Romanian.
Here's what I get with this.
Geto-Thracian is the average of scy192_scythian_2863_2503bce, ScythianMoldova_SCY197_Moldova_288502632_BC, I5769_Iron_Age_Bulgaria and MJ12_Thraco_Kimmerian.
I ran the Vlach_average against this and Early_Slav_average.
https://i.imgur.com/mcCDI3U.png
Then I extracted 22.4% Early_Slav_average from Vlach_average to receive Early_Romanian.
https://i.imgur.com/ogoEDCP.png
These are the results on the model of Early_Romanian and Early_Slav_average. Don't take the name seriously by the way. I'm not claiming that South Slavs descend from us))
https://i.imgur.com/KSoLmkd.png
Early_Romanian,19.4060137457045,11.9784536082474,2 2.5807216494845,12.9228865979381,26.8988659793814, 5.59920962199313,-0.0213745704467353,0.468213058419244,-0.591752577319588,0.21381443298969,0.6786597938144 34,-0.13127147766323,0
Kaspias
03-07-2020, 08:28 PM
Here's what I get with this.
Geto-Thracian is the average of scy192_scythian_2863_2503bce, ScythianMoldova_SCY197_Moldova_288502632_BC, I5769_Iron_Age_Bulgaria and MJ12_Thraco_Kimmerian.
I ran the Vlach_average against this and Early_Slav_average.
https://i.imgur.com/mcCDI3U.png
Then I extracted 22.4% Early_Slav_average from Vlach_average to receive Early_Romanian.
https://i.imgur.com/ogoEDCP.png
These are the results on the model of Early_Romanian and Early_Slav_average. Don't take the name seriously by the way. I'm not claiming that South Slavs descend from us))
https://i.imgur.com/KSoLmkd.png
Now it looks good. Use DA89 for Turkic reference and we will have a Medieval Balkan calculator based on K13.
Early_Romanian,19.4060137457045,11.9784536082474,2 2.5807216494845,12.9228865979381,26.8988659793814, 5.59920962199313,-0.0213745704467353,0.468213058419244,-0.591752577319588,0.21381443298969,0.6786597938144 34,-0.13127147766323,0
This is literally how I imagine Thracians btw :D
Ion Basescul
03-07-2020, 08:37 PM
Now it looks good. Use DA89 for Turkic reference and we will have a Medieval Balkan calculator based on K13.
This is literally how I imagine Thracians btw :D
https://i.imgur.com/1ex1vpY.png
Here's v2 then
Enjoy
Early_Slav_average,29.0666666666667,43.69666666666 67,12.0566666666667,5.82666666666667,4.68666666666 667,0.736666666666667,0.163333333333333,0,2.05,0.8 36666666666667,0.223333333333333,0.633333333333333 ,0
Early_Romanian/Balkanite,19.4060137457045,11.9784536082474,22.580 7216494845,12.9228865979381,26.8988659793814,5.599 20962199313,-0.0213745704467353,0.468213058419244,-0.591752577319588,0.21381443298969,0.6786597938144 34,-0.13127147766323,0
Turkic/Tatar/Cuman:Gokturk_DA89_Kazakhstan_607th_AD,23.34,24.27 ,0,17.19,0,0,0,5.24,26.14,0,0,0,3.81
Dušan
03-07-2020, 08:43 PM
Updated
Target: Dušan
Distance: 4.8787% / 4.87865170
63.8 Early_Slav_average
36.2 Early_Romanian/Balkanite
This is simmilar percentage that I get in FTDNA result - Eastern Europe vs Southeastern Europe.
andre
03-07-2020, 08:55 PM
Target: K13
Distance: 5.4372% / 5.43723798 | ADC: 0.25x
51.0 Early_Romanian
49.0 Early_Slav_average
Ion Basescul
03-07-2020, 08:57 PM
Target: K13
Distance: 5.4372% / 5.43723798 | ADC: 0.25x
51.0 Early_Romanian
49.0 Early_Slav_average
I don't recommend using the distance, as all 3 components are quite different from one another.
andre
03-07-2020, 09:02 PM
I don't recommend using the distance, as all 3 components are quite different from one another.
Target: K13
Distance: 5.4372% / 5.43723798
51.0 Early_Romanian/Balkanite
49.0 Early_Slav_average
Kaspias
03-07-2020, 09:02 PM
+
Here's v2 then
Enjoy
Early_Slav_average,29.0666666666667,43.69666666666 67,12.0566666666667,5.82666666666667,4.68666666666 667,0.736666666666667,0.163333333333333,0,2.05,0.8 36666666666667,0.223333333333333,0.633333333333333 ,0
Early_Romanian/Balkanite,19.4060137457045,11.9784536082474,22.580 7216494845,12.9228865979381,26.8988659793814,5.599 20962199313,-0.0213745704467353,0.468213058419244,-0.591752577319588,0.21381443298969,0.6786597938144 34,-0.13127147766323,0
Turkic/Tatar/Cuman:Gokturk_DA89_Kazakhstan_607th_AD,23.34,24.27 ,0,17.19,0,0,0,5.24,26.14,0,0,0,3.81
https://i.ibb.co/xs7sztK/lol.png
We are all from same village:
https://i.ibb.co/xsmQp0w/Ads-z2.png
@Deniz
Target: Deniz
Distance: 7.8423% / 7.84227654
60.0 Early_Romanian/Balkanite
22.2 Early_Slav_average
17.8 Turkic/Tatar/Cuman
@Thracian
Target: Thracian
Distance: 7.3251% / 7.32512330
74.4 Early_Romanian/Balkanite
21.4 Turkic/Tatar/Cuman
4.2 Early_Slav_average
Bosniensis
03-07-2020, 09:04 PM
Target: Bosniensis
Distance: 289.7371% / 2.89737073
59.6 Vlach_average
40.4 Early_Slav_average
CommonSense
03-07-2020, 09:11 PM
https://i.imgur.com/L1wRyQC.png
Cumansky
03-07-2020, 09:18 PM
Target: Cumansky
Distance: 32.4486% / 32.44862683
54.6 Turkic/Tatar/Cuman
45.4 Early_Romanian/Balkanite
17571imre
03-07-2020, 09:30 PM
my mother:
Target: CB
Distance: 7.7345% / 7.73447868
61.8 Early_Slav_average
34.2 Early_Romanian/Balkanite
4.0 Turkic/Tatar/Cuman
Me:
Target: mh
Distance: 7.8289% / 7.82890173
55.4 Early_Slav_average
43.2 Early_Romanian/Balkanite
1.4 Turkic/Tatar/Cuman
Daos777
03-07-2020, 09:45 PM
Target: Daos
Distance: 568.4842% / 5.68484179
76.8 Early_Slav_average
23.2 Vlach_average
Exactly what I claim on my profile.
Daos777
03-07-2020, 09:48 PM
V2
Target: Daos
Distance: 567.3097% / 5.67309700
81.2 Early_Slav_average
17.8 Early_Romanian/Balkanite
1.0 Turkic/Tatar/Cuman
Cumansky
03-07-2020, 09:55 PM
Target: Cumansky
Distance: 925.4417% / 9.25441700
100.0 Early_Slav_average
paradox
03-08-2020, 03:48 AM
My father's- 1st calculator
Target: Fatherk13
Distance: 4.0473% / 4.04729436
77.8 Vlach_average
22.2 Early_Slav_average
2nd calculator
Target: Fatherk13
Distance: 3.8992% / 3.89921380
59.6 Early_Romanian/Balkanite
37.2 Early_Slav_average
3.2 Turkic/Tatar/Cuman
Coastal Elite
03-08-2020, 04:19 AM
Target: DacoCeltic
Distance: 1916.1333% / 19.16133318
63.6 Vlach_average
36.4 Early_Slav_average
Target: DacoCeltic
Distance: 1895.3669% / 18.95366886
47.4 Early_Romanian/Balkanite
44.6 Early_Slav_average
8.0 Turkic/Tatar/Cuman
Impaler
03-08-2020, 04:43 AM
Target: Impaler
95.0 Vlach_average
5.0 Early_Slav_average
Target: Impaler
70.0 Early_Romanian/Balkanite
15.0 Early_Slav_average
15.0 Turkic/Tatar/Cuman
17571imre
03-08-2020, 10:02 AM
does anyone know a ancient Germanic Sample that i can add for myself to see how much Germanic i get? because of my 1/4 Dutch
Deniz
03-08-2020, 10:46 AM
https://i.ibb.co/xs7sztK/lol.png
We are all from same village:
https://i.ibb.co/xsmQp0w/Ads-z2.png
@Deniz
Target: Deniz
Distance: 7.8423% / 7.84227654
60.0 Early_Romanian/Balkanite
22.2 Early_Slav_average
17.8 Turkic/Tatar/Cuman
@Thracian
Target: Thracian
Distance: 7.3251% / 7.32512330
74.4 Early_Romanian/Balkanite
21.4 Turkic/Tatar/Cuman
4.2 Early_Slav_average
Can you do the first one for us?Vlacho Cumans are my blood relatives.:D
Ion Basescul
03-08-2020, 10:56 AM
does anyone know a ancient Germanic Sample that i can add for myself to see how much Germanic i get? because of my 1/4 Dutch
I would have said trying the average of DEU_MA_AED or England_Saxon, but those aren't available on the K13 sheet.
The SZ30 Longobard from Hungary seems to work kind of. So, perhaps, try this one.
https://i.imgur.com/z9kUW6T.png
v3 (+Germanic)
Early_Slav_average,29.0666666666667,43.69666666666 67,12.0566666666667,5.82666666666667,4.68666666666 667,0.736666666666667,0.163333333333333,0,2.05,0.8 36666666666667,0.223333333333333,0.633333333333333 ,0
Early_Romanian/Balkanite,19.4060137457045,11.9784536082474,22.580 7216494845,12.9228865979381,26.8988659793814,5.599 20962199313,-0.0213745704467353,0.468213058419244,-0.591752577319588,0.21381443298969,0.6786597938144 34,-0.13127147766323,0
Turkic/Tatar/Cuman:Gokturk_DA89_Kazakhstan_607th_AD,23.34,24.27 ,0,17.19,0,0,0,5.24,26.14,0,0,0,3.81
Early_Germanic:SZ30_szolad_hungary_longobard,49.84 ,22.95,10.17,6.85,5.09,0.37,2.13,0.89,0,0.77,0.3,0 ,0.65
17571imre
03-08-2020, 11:05 AM
Target: mh
Distance: 2.6251% / 2.62512802
36.6 Early_Slav_average
36.6 Early_Romanian/Balkanite
26.8 Early_Germanic
that worked perfect it gives me 1/4 Germanic thankyou!
Nurzat
03-08-2020, 11:13 AM
Target: Nurzat
Distance: 386.4076% / 3.86407604
57.8 Early_Slav_average
36.2 Early_Romanian/Balkanite
5.0 Turkic/Tatar/Cuman
1.0 Early_Germanic
Target: Suceava-2
Distance: 323.0886% / 3.23088640
48.8 Early_Slav_average
38.4 Early_Romanian/Balkanite
8.6 Early_Germanic
4.2 Turkic/Tatar/Cuman
Target: Botosani
Distance: 392.2498% / 3.92249765
62.0 Early_Slav_average
35.6 Early_Romanian/Balkanite
2.4 Turkic/Tatar/Cuman
Target: Vaslui-1
Distance: 160.1438% / 1.60143751
50.0 Early_Slav_average
46.4 Early_Romanian/Balkanite
3.6 Turkic/Tatar/Cuman
Target: Vaslui-2
Distance: 245.8982% / 2.45898173
45.4 Early_Romanian/Balkanite
41.2 Early_Slav_average
8.4 Early_Germanic
5.0 Turkic/Tatar/Cuman
Target: Neamt
Distance: 473.6066% / 4.73606591
50.6 Early_Romanian/Balkanite
38.8 Early_Slav_average
10.6 Turkic/Tatar/Cuman
Kaspias
03-08-2020, 12:00 PM
Can you do the first one for us?Vlacho Cumans are my blood relatives.:D
Target: Deniz
Distance: 9.9883% / 9.98831259
83.2 Vlach_average
16.8 Early_Slav_average
Impaler
03-08-2020, 12:04 PM
Target: Impaler
67.4 Early_Romanian/Balkanite
13.6 Turkic/Tatar/Cuman
11.2 Early_Germanic
7.8 Early_Slav_average
Dušan
03-08-2020, 12:08 PM
Same as previous
https://i.imgur.com/qp4Mz6t.jpg
Great work, I am 16% German and I get 15% Germanic here. Other percentages seem very accurate as well.
Target: Feiichy
Distance: 4.2443% / 4.24434050
57.4 Early_Slav_average
25.6 Early_Romanian/Balkanite
14.8 Early_Germanic
2.2 Turkic/Tatar/Cuman
Kaspias
03-08-2020, 12:19 PM
My Turkic admixture subtracted:
Target: Kaspias-Balkan
Distance: 8.3152% / 8.31523060
74.8 Early_Romanian/Balkanite
25.2 Early_Slav_average
Ion Basescul
03-08-2020, 12:22 PM
My Turkic admixture subtracted:
Target: Kaspias-Balkan
Distance: 8.3152% / 8.31523060
74.8 Early_Romanian/Balkanite
25.2 Early_Slav_average
That's basically the same as the results of the modern Balkan Vlachs from North Macedonia.
Target: Stears (AncestryDNA)
Distance: 3.3718% / 3.37180453
52.8 Early_Slav_average
27.4 Early_Romanian/Balkanite
11.8 Early_Germanic
8.0 Turkic/Tatar/Cuman
Target: Stears (23andme)
Distance: 3.6699% / 3.66994146
50.2 Early_Slav_average
22.6 Early_Romanian/Balkanite
18.2 Early_Germanic
9.0 Turkic/Tatar/Cuman
Ion Basescul
03-08-2020, 12:30 PM
Target: Stears (AncestryDNA)
Distance: 3.3718% / 3.37180453
52.8 Early_Slav_average
27.4 Early_Romanian/Balkanite
11.8 Early_Germanic
8.0 Turkic/Tatar/Cuman
Target: Stears (23andme)
Distance: 3.6699% / 3.66994146
50.2 Early_Slav_average
22.6 Early_Romanian/Balkanite
18.2 Early_Germanic
9.0 Turkic/Tatar/Cuman
You should try combining (https://dnagenics.com/dna-kit-studio/) both raw data into one to get the most amount of SNPs.
paradox
03-08-2020, 12:32 PM
My father's with Germanic added
Target: Fatherk13
Distance: 2.7737% / 2.77374723
57.4 Early_Romanian/Balkanite
30.8 Early_Slav_average
10.0 Early_Germanic
1.8 Turkic/Tatar/Cuman
You should try combining (https://dnagenics.com/dna-kit-studio/) both raw data into one to get the most amount of SNPs.
I am not very good with computers. Do you know how to do it?
Moje ime
03-08-2020, 12:46 PM
I'm getting only this
14.74800250 Vlach_average
20.17628256 Early_Slav_average
I'm getting only this
14.74800250 Vlach_average
20.17628256 Early_Slav_average
Click on single, and than on your name.
Kaspias
03-08-2020, 12:54 PM
That's basically the same as the results of the modern Balkan Vlachs from North Macedonia.
Have 18 NA, 23 Baltic, 15 w-med, 12 w-asian, 25 e-med, 4 r-sea.
Distance to: Kaspias-Balkan
6.16844585 Pomak_Drama
6.47605802 Greek_Northern-Thrace
6.51267463 Greek_Thessaloniki
6.59728991 Vlach_North-Macedonia-Highlander
6.85305170 Pomak_Nevrokopi
7.19451165 Macedonian_Greece
7.25519263 GR_Macedonia
7.31264467 Bulgarian_Thrace
7.92713888 Bulgarian
7.99773519 Greek_Eastern-Thrace
8.25361060 Pomak_Xanthi
8.25603503 Bulgarian_Plovdiv
8.29471248 Bulgarian_Stara-Zagora
8.32624601 Pomak_Komotini
8.35544332 Macedonian_Southwest
8.40444571 Torbeshi_North-Macedonia-Central
8.44887573 Macedonian_Southeast
8.58861686 Pomak_Central-Macedonia
8.63691465 Bulgarian_North-Rhodope
8.64021819 Greek_Western-Macedonia
8.68392503 Macedonian_North
8.72833626 Macedonian_Central
8.99618152 North_Macedonian
9.07779228 GR_Peloponese
9.09775283 Greek_Thessaly
Full gradient run:
Target: Kaspias-Balkan
Distance: 5.2448% / 5.24484353 | ADC: 2x
69.4 Pomak_Drama
30.6 Greek_Thessaloniki
Target: Kaspias-Balkan
Distance: 4.3858% / 4.38577048 | ADC: 1x
47.4 Pomak_Drama
26.6 Greek_Thessaloniki
16.6 Pomak_Xanthi
9.4 Vlach_North-Macedonia-Highlander
Target: Kaspias-Balkan
Distance: 3.1829% / 3.18288143 | ADC: 0.5x
32.2 Pomak_Xanthi
27.4 Pomak_Central-Macedonia
23.6 Greek_Eastern-Thrace
15.8 Pomak_Drama
1.0 Greek_Northern-Thrace
Target: Kaspias-Balkan
Distance: 2.8158% / 2.81575308 | ADC: 0.25x
42.2 Pomak_Xanthi
32.6 Pomak_Central-Macedonia
12.6 Greek_Eastern-Thrace
11.8 Greek_Istanbul
0.8 Lebanese_Druze
When I try to model:
Target: Kaspias-Balkan
Distance: 3.7180% / 3.71796387
50.8 Pomak
32.4 Greek
16.8 Bulgarian
My Cousin Turkic subtracted(We share same paternal admixture):
Has 21 NA, 17 Baltic, 21 w-med, 10 w-asian, 21 e-med, 6 r-sea
Distance to: Cousin-Balkan
4.48941198 Vlach_Central-Macedonia
4.64739533 Greek_Central-Macedonia
4.83633642 Greek_Eastern-Macedonia
5.23347789 Vlach_North-Macedonia
5.42969540 Kosovo_Albanian
5.64293235 Vlach_North-Macedonia-Highlander
5.74142235 Greek_Thessaly
5.80445884 Torbeshi_North-Macedonia-East
6.50361020 Albanian
7.08772576 Bulgarian_Plovdiv
7.19402713 Greek_Peloponnese
7.19413004 Greek_Thessaloniki
7.39037994 Bulgarian_Serres
7.39747330 Torbeshi_North-Macedonia-Central
7.46392251 Greek_Western-Macedonia
7.52627013 North_Macedonian
7.66916144 Macedonian_Southeast
7.81366013 GR_Peloponese
8.41228713 Bulgarian_Central
8.49809996 Bulgarian_Thrace
8.53950091 Greek_Western-Thrace
8.63795330 Bulgarian_North-Rhodope
8.67704116 GR_Macedonia
8.76414841 Macedonian_Southwest
8.77895029 Macedonian_North
Target: Cousin-Balkan
Distance: 4.1516% / 4.15158543 | ADC: 2x
71.8 Vlach_Central-Macedonia
28.2 Greek_Central-Macedonia
Target: Cousin-Balkan
Distance: 3.8287% / 3.82867795 | ADC: 1x
55.6 Vlach_Central-Macedonia
24.2 Greek_Central-Macedonia
20.2 Vlach_North-Macedonia
Target: Cousin-Balkan
Distance: 3.2075% / 3.20747858 | ADC: 0.5x
32.4 Vlach_Central-Macedonia
23.0 Greek_Eastern-Macedonia
22.2 Bulgarian_Serres
20.8 Greek_Central-Macedonia
1.6 Moroccan
Target: Cousin-Balkan
Distance: 2.4568% / 2.45682058 | ADC: 0.25x
41.0 Greek_Eastern-Macedonia
37.2 Bulgarian_Serres
7.8 Greek_Central-Macedonia
7.0 FrenchCorsica
3.6 Saudi
3.4 Tuscan
Modelling:
Target: Cousin-Balkan
Distance: 3.5335% / 3.53354159
66.0 Greek
34.0 Bulgarian
paradox
03-08-2020, 12:55 PM
I'm getting only this
14.74800250Vlach_average
20.17628256Early_Slav_averageYou need to scroll through this entire thread. Two more calculators were added later on.
Moje ime
03-08-2020, 12:57 PM
Click on single, and than on your name.
I already forgot how to use this.
The single:
58.8 Vlach_average
41.2 Early_Slav_average
Ion Basescul
03-08-2020, 01:10 PM
I am not very good with computers. Do you know how to do it?
Yes, remind me later next week if interested and I'll send the instructions. I don't have the setup on my home computer.
Dušan
03-08-2020, 01:25 PM
I already forgot how to use this.
The single:
58.8 Vlach_average
41.2 Early_Slav_average
https://i.imgur.com/z3hUcHK.jpg
Moje ime
03-08-2020, 01:32 PM
The single:
58.8 Vlach_average
41.2 Early_Slav_average
https://i.imgur.com/z3hUcHK.jpg
It seems like in first calculator I used Germanic is calculated as Vlach?
Version 3
Target: Ford
Distance: 287.7026% / 2.87702563
62.4 Early_Slav_average
37.6 Early_Romanian/Balkanite
Version 2
Target: Ford
Distance: 287.7026% / 2.87702563
62.4 Early_Slav_average
37.6 Early_Romanian/Balkanite
Version 1
Target: Ford
Distance: 287.7169% / 2.87716877
51.6 Early_Slav_average
48.4 Vlach_average
PAGANE
03-08-2020, 02:56 PM
my seven samples, including myself, my brother, my mother and close relatives
<tbody>
Target: Z
Distance: 2.8156% / 2.81556262
58.8
Early_Romanian/Бълканите
41.2
Early_Slav_average
</tbody>
<tbody>
Target: St
Distance: 5.5265% / 5.52653240
61.2
Early_Romanian/Бълканите
38.8
Early_Slav_average
</tbody>
<tbody>
Target: Pa
Distance: 2.5107% / 2.51069240
70.4
Early_Romanian/Бълканите
19.6
Early_Slav_average
10.0
Тюркски/Татар/куманската
</tbody>
<tbody>
Target: Ros
Distance: 4.6734% / 4.67336537
69.4
Early_Romanian/Бълканите
26.6
Early_Slav_average
4.0
Тюркски/Татар/куманската
</tbody>
<tbody>
Target: D
Distance: 6.8145% / 6.81445283
65.6
Early_Romanian/Бълканите
22.2
Early_Slav_average
12.2
Тюркски/Татар/куманската
</tbody>
<tbody>
Target: M
Distance: 6.5699% / 6.56992358
59.4
Early_Romanian/Бълканите
28.6
Early_Slav_average
12.0
Тюркски/Татар/куманската
</tbody>
<tbody>
Target: R
Distance: 7.1710% / 7.17099240
73.4
Early_Romanian/Бълканите
14.8
Early_Slav_average
11.8
Тюркски/Татар/куманската
</tbody>
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https://i.ibb.co/gWr4nV3/IMG-20200308-165903.jpg
Ion Basescul
03-08-2020, 03:05 PM
Guys, I updated the first post with v4.
Apparently, we have an Old Bulgar now, so this update should be especially useful for Bulgarians.
Bosniensis
03-08-2020, 03:08 PM
https://i.ibb.co/gWr4nV3/IMG-20200308-165903.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/ohW3lFV.jpg
Bosniensis
03-08-2020, 03:16 PM
Ver. 3
Target: Bosniensis
Distance: 2.9493% / 2.94930643
51.6 Early_Slav_average
48.4 Early_Romanian/Balkanite
SOMEONE DOWNGRADED MY 60% UBER VLACH to 48.4% :mad:
Impaler
03-08-2020, 03:17 PM
V4:
Impaler
67.0 Early_Romanian/Balkanite
12.0 Early_Germanic
9.0 Turkic/Tatar/Cuman
7.2 Early_Slav_average
4.8 Onogur-Bulgar
Target: Feiichy
Distance: 4.2162% / 4.21624497
56.8 Early_Slav_average
25.4 Early_Romanian/Balkanite
15.2 Early_Germanic
2.6 Onogur-Bulgar
Target: Stears (23andme)
Distance: 3.6510% / 3.65095745
49.2 Early_Slav_average
22.0 Early_Romanian/Balkanite
19.6 Early_Germanic
7.2 Onogur-Bulgar
2.0 Turkic/Tatar/Cuman
Target: Stears (AncestryDNA)
Distance: 3.2497% / 3.24969333
51.2 Early_Slav_average
26.8 Early_Romanian/Balkanite
13.2 Early_Germanic
8.8 Onogur-Bulgar
I am suprised how much Turkic Stears gets. Szeklers seem to have original Hungarian blood. My friend from Hungary gets none. Her distance is very high, though.
Target: Blanka_HU
Distance: 6.2046% / 6.20455214
59.4 Early_Slav_average
21.8 Early_Germanic
18.8 Early_Romanian/Balkanite
Impaler
03-08-2020, 03:28 PM
Impaler's_Cousin
57.8 Early_Romanian/Balkanite
38.2 Early_Slav_average
4.0 Early_Germanic
User Hrvoje results
Target: Hrvoje
Distance: 3.8558% / 3.85582471
52.0 Early_Slav_average
23.4 Early_Romanian/Balkanite
21.6 Early_Germanic
3.0 Onogur-Bulgar
Ion Basescul
03-08-2020, 03:34 PM
Target: Feiichy
Distance: 4.2162% / 4.21624497
56.8 Early_Slav_average
25.4 Early_Romanian/Balkanite
15.2 Early_Germanic
2.6 Onogur-Bulgar
Target: Stears (23andme)
Distance: 3.6510% / 3.65095745
49.2 Early_Slav_average
22.0 Early_Romanian/Balkanite
19.6 Early_Germanic
7.2 Onogur-Bulgar
2.0 Turkic/Tatar/Cuman
Target: Stears (AncestryDNA)
Distance: 3.2497% / 3.24969333
51.2 Early_Slav_average
26.8 Early_Romanian/Balkanite
13.2 Early_Germanic
8.8 Onogur-Bulgar
Apparently he gets up to 9%, just as me.
I'm wondering where this ancestry hides, since it doesn't get identified on commercial tests. I suppose, since Onogur-Bulgars were about 30% Siberian/East Asian and the rest mostly Northeast Euro with a Caucasus shift, it gets counted as East Euro.
Maybe this is what my 5% Mordovian on LivingDNA stands for.
https://i.imgur.com/Zn0bCKQ.png
On MyHeritage, the same applies. They add the 70% West Eurasian part into Euro components, while the East Eurasian is isolated. That's why they give me 2% East Asian.
https://i.imgur.com/UxvU6pm.png
Same used to happen on the old 23andme (2015), before their updates removed the East Eurasian completely.
https://i.imgur.com/b6n1m3C.png
Impaler
03-08-2020, 03:45 PM
This is a Hunnic predicted scaled coordinates. I have them from G25 forum. If you can use them also, I will post it here.
Hun_predicted,0.0957,-0.0152,0.0116,0.0359,-0.0346,0.0125,0.0072,0.0057,-0.0196,-0.0186,-0.0043,-0.0003,-0.0018,-0.0093,0.0112,0.0045,-0.0045,0,0.002,0.0035,-0.0072,0.0001,0.0003,0.0031,-0.001
Ion Basescul
03-08-2020, 03:48 PM
I am suprised how much Turkic Stears gets. Szeklers seem to have original Hungarian blood. My friend from Hungary gets none. Her distance is very high, though.
Target: Blanka_HU
Distance: 6.2046% / 6.20455214
59.4 Early_Slav_average
21.8 Early_Germanic
18.8 Early_Romanian/Balkanite
Yes, the guy from the original thread on Onogur-Bulgar mentioned that the sample is close to the Magyar conquerors and the yet unpublished Khazar samples.
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?317031-Onogur-Bulgar-Gedmatch-Global25
Ion Basescul
03-08-2020, 03:49 PM
This is a Hunnic predicted scaled coordinates. I have them from G25 forum. If you can use them also, I will post it here.
Hun_predicted,0.0957,-0.0152,0.0116,0.0359,-0.0346,0.0125,0.0072,0.0057,-0.0196,-0.0186,-0.0043,-0.0003,-0.0018,-0.0093,0.0112,0.0045,-0.0045,0,0.002,0.0035,-0.0072,0.0001,0.0003,0.0031,-0.001
There is no need to predict, we have actual Huns (Xiong_Nu and Tian_Shan). But they are at least 700 years too early for this calculator.
Thracian
03-08-2020, 04:01 PM
Target: Thracian_23andMe
Distance: 6.6037% / 6.60369998 | ADC: 0.25x
75.2 Early_Romanian/Balkanite
18.8 Onogur-Bulgar
3.0 Early_Slav_average
2.2 Turkic/Tatar/Cuman
0.8 Early_Germanic
Target: Thracian_FDTNA
Distance: 6.7204% / 6.72039007 | ADC: 0.25x
74.6 Early_Romanian/Balkanite
23.8 Onogur-Bulgar
1.6 Early_Slav_average
Adding some Iran makes my fit way better - 1.6 for FTDNA-
Ion Basescul
03-08-2020, 04:05 PM
Target: Thracian_23andMe
Distance: 6.6037% / 6.60369998 | ADC: 0.25x
75.2 Early_Romanian/Balkanite
18.8 Onogur-Bulgar
3.0 Early_Slav_average
2.2 Turkic/Tatar/Cuman
0.8 Early_Germanic
Target: Thracian_FDTNA
Distance: 6.7204% / 6.72039007 | ADC: 0.25x
74.6 Early_Romanian/Balkanite
23.8 Onogur-Bulgar
1.6 Early_Slav_average
Adding some Iran makes my fit way better - 1.6 for FTDNA-
Run them without a distance, because the samples are quite different from one another.
paradox
03-08-2020, 04:19 PM
Version 4 with Bulgar, no change
My father's
Target: Fatherk13
Distance: 2.7737% / 2.77374723
57.4 Early_Romanian/Balkanite
30.8 Early_Slav_average
10.0 Early_Germanic
1.8 Turkic/Tatar/Cuman
paradox
03-08-2020, 04:28 PM
Version 4
Target: K13
Distance: 7.8241% / 7.82412205
79.6 Early_Romanian/Balkanite
15.0 Early_Slav_average
5.4 Onogur-Bulgar
Zmey Gorynych
03-08-2020, 04:29 PM
Son of *****uh and grandson of Kubrat.
https://i.imgur.com/yimz1mU.png
Dušan
03-08-2020, 04:31 PM
No Bulgar, either.
But distance is not close. What component to add to make it closer?
https://i.imgur.com/ac9q1VE.jpg
PAGANE
03-08-2020, 05:00 PM
<tbody>
Distance to:
Z
17.62783157
Early_Romanian/Бълканите
25.01760069
Early_Slav_average
31.32862748
Early_Germanic:SZ30_szolad_hungary_longobard_600th _AD
36.40300949
Оногур-Bulgar:DA142_620-920_AD
38.49656218
Тюркски/Татар/куманската:Gokturk_DA89_Kazakhstan_607th_AD
</tbody>
<tbody>
Distance to:
St
17.28069264
Early_Romanian/Бълканите
26.47036603
Early_Slav_average
34.96941950
Early_Germanic:SZ30_szolad_hungary_longobard_600th _AD
37.50115598
Оногур-Bulgar:DA142_620-920_AD
39.68698653
Тюркски/Татар/куманската:Gokturk_DA89_Kazakhstan_607th_AD
</tbody>
<tbody>
Distance to:
Pa
12.17595898
Early_Romanian/Бълканите
31.17048194
Early_Slav_average
34.21899034
Early_Germanic:SZ30_szolad_hungary_longobard_600th _AD
35.31433562
Оногур-Bulgar:DA142_620-920_AD
37.28629105
Тюркски/Татар/куманската:Gokturk_DA89_Kazakhstan_607th_AD
</tbody>
<tbody>
Distance to:
Ros
13.39565073
Early_Romanian/Бълканите
30.17754205
Early_Slav_average
33.25168567
Early_Germanic:SZ30_szolad_hungary_longobard_600th _AD
36.55003694
Оногур-Bulgar:DA142_620-920_AD
38.74201079
Тюркски/Татар/куманската:Gokturk_DA89_Kazakhstan_607th_AD
</tbody>
<tbody>
Distance to:
D
15.43734947
Early_Romanian/Бълканите
30.16154855
Early_Slav_average
34.10450264
Оногур-Bulgar:DA142_620-920_AD
34.85523347
Early_Germanic:SZ30_szolad_hungary_longobard_600th _AD
36.27091259
Тюркски/Татар/куманската:Gokturk_DA89_Kazakhstan_607th_AD
</tbody>
<tbody>
Distance to:
M
17.69405338
Early_Romanian/Бълканите
27.51509909
Early_Slav_average
31.12574015
Early_Germanic:SZ30_szolad_hungary_longobard_600th _AD
33.45191325
Оногур-Bulgar:DA142_620-920_AD
34.96343662
Тюркски/Татар/куманската:Gokturk_DA89_Kazakhstan_607th_AD
</tbody>
<tbody>
Distance to:
R
12.95349868
Early_Romanian/Бълканите
33.32215246
Early_Slav_average
36.17815363
Early_Germanic:SZ30_szolad_hungary_longobard_600th _AD
36.40048626
Оногур-Bulgar:DA142_620-920_AD
38.16684163
Тюркски/Татар/куманската:Gokturk_DA89_Kazakhstan_607th_AD
</tbody>
https://i.ibb.co/hmFJrdC/IMG-20200308-190249.jpg
No Bulgar, either.
But distance is not close. What component to add to make it closer?
https://i.imgur.com/ac9q1VE.jpg
Maybe you need Greco-Roman to improve your fit.
Moje ime
03-08-2020, 05:16 PM
Version 4
distance
20.17628256 Early_Slav_average
23.72396829 Early_Romanian/Balkanite
24.44093288 Early_Germanic:SZ30_szolad_hungary_longobard_600th _AD
35.20138350 Onogur-Bulgar: DA142_620-920_AD
36.14048146 Turkic/Tatar/Cuman:Gokturk_DA89_Kazakhstan_607th_AD
single
41.2 Early_Romanian/Balkanite
41.2 Early_Slav_average
17.6 Early_Germanic
Kaspias
03-08-2020, 05:50 PM
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d1/Giudjenov_Kubrat_and_his_sons.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/jHXMpWY/pic.png
Bosniensis
03-08-2020, 05:54 PM
[IMG]https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d1/Giudjenov_Kubrat_and_his_sons.jpg[/IG]
[IMG]https://i.ibb.co/jHXMpWY/pic.png[/IG]
So you dislike Basil the Bolghar-slayer, Basil Bulgaricus xD
PAGANE
03-08-2020, 06:19 PM
Seal of Tervel 700-721, son of *****uh and grandson of Kubrat.
Omurtagh 814 to 831 g., Miniature from the chronicle of John Skylitsa, 11th century.
Does anyone see Mongoloids?
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/proxy/zRQD8Gsl-J-OT3DzRya7974GIHQOHMHNMAm_lqs7BaijsC_SE7NiQtwhGYJ4v AGnW7OOk92vq8JlGvAPUqc5VXjRN3dgv31YWvoUbpEaVMU34MQ fvq9y
https://cache2.24chasa.bg/Images/Cache/966/Image_6379966_500_0.jpg
Kaspias
03-08-2020, 06:34 PM
Seal of Tervel 700-721, son of *****uh and grandson of Kubrat.
Omurtagh 814 to 831 g., Miniature from the chronicle of John Skylitsa, 11th century.
Does anyone see Mongoloids?
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/proxy/zRQD8Gsl-J-OT3DzRya7974GIHQOHMHNMAm_lqs7BaijsC_SE7NiQtwhGYJ4v AGnW7OOk92vq8JlGvAPUqc5VXjRN3dgv31YWvoUbpEaVMU34MQ fvq9y
https://cache2.24chasa.bg/Images/Cache/966/Image_6379966_500_0.jpg
The sample is 70% West Eurasian. After mixing only one generation in the new region Turanid look can disappear completely. Even without mixing Caucasid look can be dominant.
Ion Basescul
03-08-2020, 06:38 PM
Seal of Tervel 700-721, son of *****uh and grandson of Kubrat.
Omurtagh 814 to 831 g., Miniature from the chronicle of John Skylitsa, 11th century.
Does anyone see Mongoloids?
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/proxy/zRQD8Gsl-J-OT3DzRya7974GIHQOHMHNMAm_lqs7BaijsC_SE7NiQtwhGYJ4v AGnW7OOk92vq8JlGvAPUqc5VXjRN3dgv31YWvoUbpEaVMU34MQ fvq9y
https://cache2.24chasa.bg/Images/Cache/966/Image_6379966_500_0.jpg
Bulgars, at least the one we have in this calculator, are about 70% West Eurasian and 30% "Mongoloid".
They didn't look like throat singers.
Same goes for the Turkic/Tatar/Cuman/Pecheneg sample.
RUS_Devils_Gate_Cave_N, RUS_Shamanka_N and Nganassan are the East Asian/Siberian components.
https://i.imgur.com/TwBCUdu.png
Looking at the above results, Onogur-Bulgars should have roughly looked like modern Lipka Tatars, while Turkic/Tatar/Cuman/Pechenegs like modern Turkmens.
Lipka Tatars
http://www.tatar.info/wp-content/uploads/Lipka-Tatars.jpg
Turkmen
https://eurasianet.org/sites/default/files/styles/article/public/2019-09/3jpg_l26x9lp.jpg?itok=U44dFJlw
Kayra
03-08-2020, 06:44 PM
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d1/Giudjenov_Kubrat_and_his_sons.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/jHXMpWY/pic.png
One more slot in the crew? :D
https://i.ibb.co/yy2GTVY/lelev.png
Nurzat
03-08-2020, 07:10 PM
v4
Target: Nurzat
Distance: 374.1602% / 3.74160218
56.6 Early_Slav_average
35.6 Early_Romanian/Balkanite
6.0 Onogur-Bulgar
1.8 Early_Germanic
Target: Suceava-2
Distance: 323.0886% / 3.23088640
48.8 Early_Slav_average
38.4 Early_Romanian/Balkanite
8.6 Early_Germanic
4.2 Turkic/Tatar/Cuman
Target: Botosani
Distance: 378.4542% / 3.78454210
60.8 Early_Slav_average
35.2 Early_Romanian/Balkanite
4.0 Onogur-Bulgar
Target: Neamt
Distance: 454.8486% / 4.54848640
50.0 Early_Romanian/Balkanite
38.0 Early_Slav_average
12.0 Onogur-Bulgar
Target: Vaslui-1
Distance: 141.8151% / 1.41815143
49.4 Early_Slav_average
46.0 Early_Romanian/Balkanite
4.6 Onogur-Bulgar
Target: Vaslui-2
Distance: 245.8982% / 2.45898173
45.4 Early_Romanian/Balkanite
41.2 Early_Slav_average
8.4 Early_Germanic
5.0 Turkic/Tatar/Cuman
Ion Basescul
03-08-2020, 07:29 PM
v4
Target: Nurzat
Distance: 374.1602% / 3.74160218
56.6 Early_Slav_average
35.6 Early_Romanian/Balkanite
6.0 Onogur-Bulgar
1.8 Early_Germanic
Target: Suceava-2
Distance: 323.0886% / 3.23088640
48.8 Early_Slav_average
38.4 Early_Romanian/Balkanite
8.6 Early_Germanic
4.2 Turkic/Tatar/Cuman
Target: Botosani
Distance: 378.4542% / 3.78454210
60.8 Early_Slav_average
35.2 Early_Romanian/Balkanite
4.0 Onogur-Bulgar
Target: Neamt
Distance: 454.8486% / 4.54848640
50.0 Early_Romanian/Balkanite
38.0 Early_Slav_average
12.0 Onogur-Bulgar
Target: Vaslui-1
Distance: 141.8151% / 1.41815143
49.4 Early_Slav_average
46.0 Early_Romanian/Balkanite
4.6 Onogur-Bulgar
Target: Vaslui-2
Distance: 245.8982% / 2.45898173
45.4 Early_Romanian/Balkanite
41.2 Early_Slav_average
8.4 Early_Germanic
5.0 Turkic/Tatar/Cuman
I actually just realised that for GEDmatch I have around 50 Romanian kits, grouped by region.
I should probably start running them.
WeirdLookingFellow
03-08-2020, 07:39 PM
Target: FellowGF
Distance: 387.5820% / 3.87582004
71.6 Modern_Vlach_average
28.4 Early_Slav_average
Target: Fellow
Distance: 668.4111% / 6.68411123
68.0 Modern_Vlach_average
32.0 Early_Slav_average
Target: FellowGF
Distance: 387.5282% / 3.87528218
55.4 Early_Romanian/Balkanite
44.4 Early_Slav_average
0.2 Turkic/Tatar/Cuman
Target: Fellow
Distance: 668.4144% / 6.68414395
52.8 Early_Romanian/Balkanite
47.2 Early_Slav_average
Target: FellowGF
Distance: 387.5282% / 3.87528218
55.4 Early_Romanian/Balkanite
44.4 Early_Slav_average
0.2 Turkic/Tatar/Cuman
Target: Fellow
Distance: 557.0393% / 5.57039280
51.0 Early_Romanian/Balkanite
33.4 Early_Slav_average
15.6 Early_Germanic
It likes that German.
Nurzat
03-08-2020, 07:40 PM
I actually just realised that for GEDmatch I have around 50 Romanian kits, grouped by region.
I should probably start running them.
my friends opted out from GedMATCH with the new update of it (which forwards DNA data to American police or so) so the kits aren't there anymore but I have their results in a spreadsheet for the most common runs (Eurogenes K13, K15, Dodecad V3 etc)
Ion Basescul
03-08-2020, 07:50 PM
my friends opted out from GedMATCH with the new update of it (which forwards DNA data to American police or so) so the kits aren't there anymore but I have their results in a spreadsheet for the most common runs (Eurogenes K13, K15, Dodecad V3 etc)
Yeah, I hope most of them are there, as I haven't checked them in years.
Ion Basescul
03-08-2020, 09:33 PM
I got them :biggrin: . I lost 16 due to GEDmatch being GEDmatch, but 35 is still not too shabby.
Official thread song to celebrate the decent sample size
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5H9nqNsNxSw
v1
https://i.imgur.com/i9qrQMj.png
v2
https://i.imgur.com/FWS3eIM.png
v3
https://i.imgur.com/kDpaume.png
v4
https://i.imgur.com/BIQIMkK.png
Grab them while they are hot
Romanian_Moldavia:NE_1,23.95,32.71,13.95,12.72,11. 65,1.60,0.21,0.25,2.85,0,0,0,0.10
Romanian_Moldavia:NE_2,21.25,25.58,18.57,14.13,15. 13,2.19,0.25,1.11,1.00,0.40,0.39,0,0
Romanian_Moldavia:NE_4,30.51,28.61,11.57,9.34,13.8 1,2.40,0.22,0,2.28,0,0.41,0.85,0
Romanian_Moldavia:NE_5,28.74,31.61,13.10,9.18,12.4 7,0.66,0.78,0,0.86,0.19,0.79,1.61,0
Romanian_Moldavia:NE_7,26.56,26.95,15.36,8.59,16.0 4,3.01,0.55,0.08,2.86,0,0,0,0
Romanian_Moldavia:NE_8,21.55,33.35,16.78,7.05,17.7 8,0.86,0,1.07,0.11,0.76,0,0,0.69
Romanian_Transylvania:C_1,24.63,26.61,17.48,9.90,1 4.78,1.52,1.61,1.13,1.75,0,0.56,0,0
Romanian_Transylvania:C_2,23.90,28.62,12.32,8.58,1 7.06,1.83,4.17,0.61,2.02,0.57,0.32,0,0
Romanian_Transylvania:NW_2,23.25,31.46,14.31,8.38, 18.08,1.71,0,0.05,1.52,0.92,0,0.14,0.17
Romanian_Transylvania:SW_2,22.08,25.94,19.51,10.78 ,18.12,1.49,1.44,0,0.48,0.12,0,0,0
Romanian_Transylvania:SW_3,24.07,23.90,17.92,11.29 ,17.19,2.32,0.10,0,1.67,0.53,1.01,0,0
Romanian_Transylvania:SW_4,23.87,26.56,18.22,8.34, 16.69,2.39,0,0.07,2.15,0.86,0.85,0,0
Romanian_Wallachia:S_1,16.49,16.56,16.99,17.69,23. 30,2.86,1.81,1.14,1.96,0.40,0,0.79,0
Romanian_Wallachia:S_2,18.01,22.11,17.36,13.84,22. 57,1.89,1.66,1.15,0,0.42,0,1.00,0
Romanian_Wallachia:S_3,18.40,20.98,17.04,13.98,21. 39,2.46,2.45,0.20,1.93,0.70,0,0.46,0
Romanian_Wallachia:S_4,25.67,23.15,19.43,9.43,19.1 7,1.62,0,0.78,0.42,0.34,0,0,0
Romanian_Wallachia:S_8,20.83,22.41,16.42,12.81,22. 46,0.46,0.62,0,1.41,0.98,1.45,0.15,0
Romanian_Wallachia:S_9,21.77,24.08,18.67,10.19,20. 22,1.83,0.21,1.54,0,0.37,0.80,0,0.33
Romanian_Wallachia:S_10,21.37,26.35,16.45,10.62,14 .45,2.01,6.21,0.08,0.61,1.61,0.24,0,0
Romanian_Wallachia:S_12,21.19,26.77,18.68,9.15,19. 15,1.02,1.97,0.50,0.18,1.25,0.14,0,0
Romanian_Wallachia:S_13,17.40,23.94,17.99,14.44,19 .50,3.45,1.41,0,1.24,0.42,0.07,0.15,0
Romanian_Wallachia:S_14,19.94,20.52,13.16,14.70,24 .20,3.69,0.83,0,1.31,1.35,0.28,0,0
Romanian_Wallachia:S_15,23.77,24.85,18.01,11.25,16 .62,1.84,1.06,0,0.12,1.27,0.57,0.19,0.45
Romanian_Wallachia:S_16,18.37,22.88,16.36,14.05,20 .80,0.57,4.22,0.89,0.77,0,1.10,0,0
Romanian_Wallachia:S_17,25.16,26.55,17.25,7.34,18. 67,1.22,0.10,0.55,2.79,0.26,0,0,0.11
Romanian_Wallachia:S_19,22.64,27.57,19.56,10.20,14 .87,0.64,1.98,0,1.71,0.55,0,0.28,0
Romanian_Wallachia:S_21,21.10,25.99,20.45,8.08,18. 04,0.33,1.02,0.99,2.62,0.39,0.10,0.89,0
Romanian_Wallachia:S_22,23.16,28.25,19.12,6.36,15. 60,2.40,2.74,0,0,1.22,0.87,0.13,0.16
Romanian_Wallachia:S_25,23.95,27.47,14.03,11.97,18 .04,1.55,1.75,0,0.99,0.24,0,0,0
Romanian_Dobruja:SE_6,22.23,28.36,19.07,12.48,14.9 1,0.52,0.79,0.31,0,0.21,0.86,0.25,0
Romanian_Dobruja:SE_7,22.08,24.92,18.64,9.44,20.04 ,0.67,2.40,0.51,0.33,0.62,0.34,0,0
Romanian_Dobruja:SE_11,22.73,24.91,19.63,10.59,16. 07,1.66,1.38,0.20,1.36,0.94,0.53,0,0
Romanian_Dobruja:SE_12,24.78,25.63,14.93,11.92,15. 37,2.49,1.72,0.11,1.98,0.70,0.37,0,0
Romanian_Dobruja:SE_14,23.42,22.53,16.80,12.12,17. 72,4.15,0,0,1.19,0.75,0.26,1.03,0
Romanian_Dobruja:SE_15,21.75,29.53,15.63,11.25,16. 39,0.98,1.08,0,3.24,0,0.15,0,0
Bosniensis
03-08-2020, 09:34 PM
As 50-60 Vlach, am I still qualified to Larp about how great "we" Daco-Romans are :) ?
Kaspias
03-08-2020, 09:39 PM
.
Nice
andre
03-08-2020, 09:53 PM
Distance to: Andre_K13
3.61973756 Romanian_Transylvania:NW_2
5.22985659 Romanian_Wallachia:S_17
5.42096855 Romanian_Wallachia:S_25
5.76039929 Romanian_Moldavia:NE_7
5.76612522 Romanian_Transylvania:C_2
5.81535897 Romanian_Transylvania:SW_4
6.10781467 Romanian_Dobruja:SE_15
6.52343468 Romanian_Moldavia:NE_8
6.58694163 Romanian_Wallachia:S_12
7.31466336 Romanian_Transylvania:C_1
7.33745187 Romanian_Dobruja:SE_12
7.39543778 Romanian_Dobruja:SE_7
7.45585005 Romanian_Wallachia:S_22
7.45620547 Romanian_Transylvania:SW_2
7.59869068 Romanian_Wallachia:S_9
7.69250284 Romanian_Wallachia:S_15
7.72863507 Romanian_Transylvania:SW_3
8.27700429 Romanian_Wallachia:S_21
8.44717704 Romanian_Wallachia:S_19
8.48113790 Romanian_Dobruja:SE_14
8.48163899 Romanian_Dobruja:SE_11
8.60850161 Romanian_Wallachia:S_4
8.92126112 Romanian_Dobruja:SE_6
9.70803791 Romanian_Wallachia:S_10
9.80411138 Romanian_Moldavia:NE_2
andre
03-08-2020, 09:54 PM
Target: Andre_K13
Distance: 1.2552% / 1.25524559 | ADC: 0.25x
62.8 Romanian_Transylvania
18.6 Romanian_Moldavia
14.4 Pomak_Plovdiv
2.6 Yemenite_Jewish
1.0 Pomak_Central-Macedonia
0.6 Saudi
Ion Basescul
03-08-2020, 10:12 PM
I'm a bit on fire today. Post your Eurogenes K13 coordinates and I will add you to this PCA if interested.
https://i.imgur.com/Zvm6GE0.png
andre
03-08-2020, 10:38 PM
I'm a bit on fire today. Post your coordinates and I will add you to this PCA if interested.
https://i.imgur.com/Zvm6GE0.png
K13,23.25,29.03,14.33,7.95,19.72,3.52,0,0.22,1.40, 0,0.37,0,0.19
Ion Basescul
03-08-2020, 10:47 PM
Andrei_scaled,0.122929,0.137096,0.039598,0.005168, 0.028313,-0.000558,0.008695,0.004846,-0.004295,0.00656,-0.001137,-0.002398,0.00669,0.018992,-0.018594,-0.011933,-0.011474,0.010008,0.00817,-0.012881,-0.00574,-0.000124,0.002958,-0.002048,-0.001916
K13 coordinates, I wish I had those kits on G25 :D
PAGANE
03-09-2020, 10:57 AM
[QUOTE = Ion Basescul; 6546756] Днес малко съм подпален. Публикувайте вашите Eurogenes K13 координати и аз ще ви добавя към този PCA, ако се интересувате.
https://i.imgur.com/Zvm6GE0.png[/ Цитат]
Eurogenes K13
Bg-R, 20.77,19.78,15.16,17.40,22.58,2.59,0.00,0.00,0.82, 0.31,0.58,0.00,0.00
Bg-M, 23.55,23.00,13.20,15.61,18.26,4.30,1.00,0.52,0.56, 0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00
Bg-D, 20.20,21.76,15.67,17.16,18.52,4.31,1.43,0.00,0.68, 0.27,0.00,0.00,0.00
Bg-Ros, 22.08,20.21,21.55,12.60,17.66,1.92,0.41,1.29,0.66, 1.52,0.11,0.00,0.00
Bg-Pa, 21.38,19.84,18.18,14.00,19.79,3.82,0.73,0.10,2.09, 0.00,0.07,0.00,0.00
Bg-St, 20.48,26.77,17.65,9.81,21.66,1.61,0.00,0.35,0.00,0 .95,0.32,0.40,0.00
Bg-Z, 23.01,25.05,19.80,9.44,17.43,1.66,0.58,0.52,0.00,0 .90,0.99,0.62,0.00
Ion Basescul
03-09-2020, 11:03 AM
+andre and PAGANE's Bulgarians
https://i.imgur.com/ZfZHdH4.png
Vojnik
03-09-2020, 12:45 PM
V2:
Target: Vojnik
Distance: 251.5018% / 2.51501756
64.2 Early_Romanian/Balkanite
33.6 Early_Slav_average
2.2 Turkic/Tatar/Cuman
V4:
Target: Vojnik
Distance: 212.7871% / 2.12787098
63.2 Early_Romanian/Balkanite
30.2 Early_Slav_average
5.0 Early_Germanic
1.6 Turkic/Tatar/Cuman
Dušan
03-09-2020, 06:00 PM
Old Serbian average from Gedmatch and new one that we created few months ago.
https://i.imgur.com/tCzq00E.jpg
It is obvious how old one is very very wrong.
Feiichy,29.78,32.36,15.85,11.11,9.41,0.002,0.00,0. 52,0.95,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00
Stears1,30.15,31.47,11.45,11.27,9.88,1.16,1.3,0.11 ,1.87,0.79,0.03,0.15,0.00
Stears2,28.2,31.22,12.91,10.92,10.62,0.76,2.02,0.2 5,1.89,0.76,0.00,0.47,0.00
Averages you may use:
Croatian,27.21,36.11,14.54,7.94,9.44,1.45,0.97,0.3 0,0.33,0.80,0.40,0.32,0.19
Kaykavian_Croatian,32.40,34.24,12.44,7.93,7.81,1.4 9,1.32,0.75,0.15,1.18,0.23,0.00,0.06
Croat_Bosnia,28.045,32.0675,15.4175,7.4575,11.93,1 .45,2.01,0,1.0625,0.375,0.13,0,0.0925
Croat_Split,26.60,31.52,16.57,7.89,13.14,1.59,0.44 ,0.22,0.52,0.51,0.59,0.24,0.14
South_Croat_Slavic_Cluster,25.45,35.03,15.55,6.7,1 1.30,2.50,0.29,0.34,0.99,0.69,0.50,0.00,0.32
Hungarian_East,32.83,34.08,12.65,6.39,8.86,1.15,0. 98,0.75,1.21,0.48,0.62,0.14,0.14
Hungarian_Transdanubia,35.28,29.02,14.14,6.92,11.0 1,0.53,1.25,0.04,1.02,0.57,0.34,0.18,0.24
Hungarian_New,30.92,31.31,13.19,7.45,10.4,1.25,0.8 5,0.41,1.35,0.81,0.23,0.27,0.08
Csango_Gymes,27.25,29.91,14.27,7.02,11.16,3.75,1.2 5,0.88,2.8,0.76,0,1.00,0
Szekely,27.10,29.27,13.95,8.86,12.73,2.00,1.51,0.6 6,2.28,0.90,0.54,0.11,0.08
Dušan
03-09-2020, 06:10 PM
Averages you may use:
Croatian,27.21,36.11,14.54,7.94,9.44,1.45,0.97,0.3 0,0.33,0.80,0.40,0.32,0.19
Kaykavian_Croatian,32.40,34.24,12.44,7.93,7.81,1.4 9,1.32,0.75,0.15,1.18,0.23,0.00,0.06
Croat_Bosnia,28.045,32.0675,15.4175,7.4575,11.93,1 .45,2.01,0,1.0625,0.375,0.13,0,0.0925
Croat_Split,26.60,31.52,16.57,7.89,13.14,1.59,0.44 ,0.22,0.52,0.51,0.59,0.24,0.14
South_Croat_Slavic_Cluster,25.45,35.03,15.55,6.7,1 1.30,2.50,0.29,0.34,0.99,0.69,0.50,0.00,0.32
Hungarian_East,32.83,34.08,12.65,6.39,8.86,1.15,0. 98,0.75,1.21,0.48,0.62,0.14,0.14
Hungarian_Transdanubia,35.28,29.02,14.14,6.92,11.0 1,0.53,1.25,0.04,1.02,0.57,0.34,0.18,0.24
Hungarian_New,30.92,31.31,13.19,7.45,10.4,1.25,0.8 5,0.41,1.35,0.81,0.23,0.27,0.08
https://i.imgur.com/p2ds59k.jpg
^^^^Thank you!
May you try same for Szekely and Csango? I added them in post.
Dušan
03-09-2020, 06:13 PM
Feiichy,29.78,32.36,15.85,11.11,9.41,0.002,0.00,0. 52,0.95,0.00,0.00,0.00,0.00
Stears1,30.15,31.47,11.45,11.27,9.88,1.16,1.3,0.11 ,1.87,0.79,0.03,0.15,0.00
Stears2,28.2,31.22,12.91,10.92,10.62,0.76,2.02,0.2 5,1.89,0.76,0.00,0.47,0.00
https://i.imgur.com/Enui3BK.jpg
Wow where did you get Turkic-Tatar admixture?
For Stears is obvious.
Wow where did you get Turkic-Tatar admixture?
For Stears is obvious.
I think from my 1/4 ancestry from Hvar Island. As you know there are strange amounts of Eurasian y and mtdna there.
Dušan, these may be of interest for you.
Serbian_Bosnia,26.2975,31.9975,15.9675,7.81,13.62, 1.785,0.58,0.6375,0.625,0.18,0.3975,0.1075,0
Serb_Croatia,24.61,30.10,17.60,8.67,14.73,1.85,0.5 0,0.16,1.05,0.23,0.36,0.01,0.05
Montenegrin,25.2764285714,25.5585714286,17.5721428 571,10.2835714286,16.9257142857,2.4157142857,0.188 5714286,0.26,0.7021428571,0.4492857143,0.295714285 7,0.0328571429,0.0585714286
Serb_North-Macedonia,18.17,25.73,24.26,13.50,14.58,2.09,0,0,0 ,0.99,0,0.68,0
Vlach_Timok,25.17,26.7,18.87,6.81,17.69,1.75,0.2,0 .54,0.21,0.56,1.71,0,0.33
Dušan
03-09-2020, 06:20 PM
^^^^Thank you!
May you try same for Szekely and Csango? I added them in post.
https://i.imgur.com/aA7QIYt.jpg
Dušan
03-09-2020, 06:21 PM
Dušan, these may be of interest for you.
Serbian_Bosnia,26.2975,31.9975,15.9675,7.81,13.62, 1.785,0.58,0.6375,0.625,0.18,0.3975,0.1075,0
Serb_Croatia,24.61,30.10,17.60,8.67,14.73,1.85,0.5 0,0.16,1.05,0.23,0.36,0.01,0.05
Montenegrin,25.2764285714,25.5585714286,17.5721428 571,10.2835714286,16.9257142857,2.4157142857,0.188 5714286,0.26,0.7021428571,0.4492857143,0.295714285 7,0.0328571429,0.0585714286
Serb_North-Macedonia,18.17,25.73,24.26,13.50,14.58,2.09,0,0,0 ,0.99,0,0.68,0
Vlach_Timok,25.17,26.7,18.87,6.81,17.69,1.75,0.2,0 .54,0.21,0.56,1.71,0,0.33
https://i.imgur.com/eng5WNx.jpg
JohnnyP
03-09-2020, 07:04 PM
Target: johnnyp
Distance: 575.1969% / 5.75196856
59.4 Early_Romanian/Balkanite
35.6 Early_Slav_average
4.2 Early_Germanic
0.8 Turkic/Tatar/Cuman
Im from Kumanovo so Cuman is logically :D
K13 updated
Distance to: johnnyp
3.66509209 Pomak_Plovdiv
87.2 Modern_Vlach_average
12.8 Early_Slav_average
Ion Basescul
03-09-2020, 07:33 PM
Averages you may use:
Croatian,27.21,36.11,14.54,7.94,9.44,1.45,0.97,0.3 0,0.33,0.80,0.40,0.32,0.19
Kaykavian_Croatian,32.40,34.24,12.44,7.93,7.81,1.4 9,1.32,0.75,0.15,1.18,0.23,0.00,0.06
Croat_Bosnia,28.045,32.0675,15.4175,7.4575,11.93,1 .45,2.01,0,1.0625,0.375,0.13,0,0.0925
Croat_Split,26.60,31.52,16.57,7.89,13.14,1.59,0.44 ,0.22,0.52,0.51,0.59,0.24,0.14
South_Croat_Slavic_Cluster,25.45,35.03,15.55,6.7,1 1.30,2.50,0.29,0.34,0.99,0.69,0.50,0.00,0.32
Hungarian_East,32.83,34.08,12.65,6.39,8.86,1.15,0. 98,0.75,1.21,0.48,0.62,0.14,0.14
Hungarian_Transdanubia,35.28,29.02,14.14,6.92,11.0 1,0.53,1.25,0.04,1.02,0.57,0.34,0.18,0.24
Hungarian_New,30.92,31.31,13.19,7.45,10.4,1.25,0.8 5,0.41,1.35,0.81,0.23,0.27,0.08
Csango_Gymes,27.25,29.91,14.27,7.02,11.16,3.75,1.2 5,0.88,2.8,0.76,0,1.00,0
Szekely,27.10,29.27,13.95,8.86,12.73,2.00,1.51,0.6 6,2.28,0.90,0.54,0.11,0.08
https://i.imgur.com/aLW2NOD.png
IrisSelene
03-09-2020, 07:44 PM
Gonna try this once I get home lol
Enviado desde mi CLT-L09 mediante Tapatalk
Ion Basescul
03-09-2020, 08:12 PM
Romanian regional clusters (Wallachia and Dobruja have been grouped since Dobruja is usually viewed as part of Wallachia)
Red: Moldavian
Violet: Transylvanian
Grey: Wallachian
https://i.imgur.com/RPQ4Jg4.png
Romanian regional clusters (Wallachia and Dobruja have been grouped since Dobruja is usually viewed as part of Wallachia)
Red: Moldavian
Violet: Transylvanian
Grey: Wallachian
https://i.imgur.com/RPQ4Jg4.png
So Transylvania is intermediate cluster between Moldovan and Wallachian/Dobrogean one.
Ion Basescul
03-09-2020, 08:19 PM
So Transylvania is intermediate cluster between Moldovan and Wallachian/Dobrogean one.
Yes, but at the same time the fewest regional samples I've got come from Transylvania. So the picture might change given more samples.
Yes, but at the same time the fewest regional samples I've got come from Transylvania. So the picture might change given more samples.
You should add Carpatz sample if you already didn't.
Nurzat
03-09-2020, 08:21 PM
Yes, but at the same time the fewest regional samples I've got come from Transylvania. So the picture might change given more samples.
can you please add these to the plot as well - all are Moldovan (West of Prut, core Moldova):
Eurogenes K13 coordinates
Vaslui-1,23.46,28.78,17.1,9.49,15.08,2.33,0.19,0.1,2.35,0 .58,0.56,0,0
Vaslui-2,26.56,26.95,15.36,8.59,16.04,3.01,0.55,0.08,2.86 ,0,0,0,0
Neamt,21.38,27.17,14.71,13.65,16.38,2.64,0.06,1.68 ,1.96,0,0.39,0,0
Botosani,22.52,33.55,15.3,9.67,13.39,2.08,1.2,0.4, 1.78,0,0,0,0
Suceava-2,26.88,29.15,13.73,8.13,14.66,2.27 ,2.06,0,2.15,0.88,0.1,0,0
Nurzat,25.1,30.93,16.34,10.95,11.35,0.08,1.2,1.01, 1.3,0.74,0.64,0,0.36
Ion Basescul
03-09-2020, 08:23 PM
You should add Carpatz sample if you already didn't.
Do you have the coordinates?
Do you have the coordinates?
You should PM him. He's from Maramures, that can be counted as Transylvania in wider sense.
Ion Basescul
03-09-2020, 08:31 PM
can you please add these to the plot as well - all are Moldovan (West of Prut, core Moldova):
Eurogenes K13 coordinates
Vaslui-1,23.46,28.78,17.1,9.49,15.08,2.33,0.19,0.1,2.35,0 .58,0.56,0,0
Vaslui-2,26.56,26.95,15.36,8.59,16.04,3.01,0.55,0.08,2.86 ,0,0,0,0
Neamt,21.38,27.17,14.71,13.65,16.38,2.64,0.06,1.68 ,1.96,0,0.39,0,0
Botosani,22.52,33.55,15.3,9.67,13.39,2.08,1.2,0.4, 1.78,0,0,0,0
Suceava-2,26.88,29.15,13.73,8.13,14.66,2.27 ,2.06,0,2.15,0.88,0.1,0,0
Nurzat,25.1,30.93,16.34,10.95,11.35,0.08,1.2,1.01, 1.3,0.74,0.64,0,0.36
I already had Vaslui-2 and Botosani, so you will see them overlapping with mine.
https://i.imgur.com/TjBMT5i.png
Ion Basescul
03-09-2020, 09:20 PM
You should add Carpatz sample if you already didn't.
He falls in the Transylvanian cluster.
https://i.imgur.com/xB1Grl2.png
By the way, in case someone wonders where their name disappeared. That's because there is a limited number of different symbols that one can add on the screen, so you have been added to the group that corresponds to your ethnicity. In your case that's Croatian for example.
Ion Basescul
03-09-2020, 09:36 PM
Latest iteration with clusters
https://i.imgur.com/TnoODZX.png
Lucas
03-09-2020, 09:43 PM
This is a very simple model for Romanians and perhaps Bulgarians/Macedonians, Serbs and Bosnians based on the Eurogenes K13 coordinates.
I used v4 :)
YES!
Target: luk
Distance: 792.4566% / 7.92456588 | ADC: 2x
100.0 Early_Slav_average
Target: luk
Distance: 792.4566% / 7.92456588 | ADC: 1x
100.0 Early_Slav_average
Target: luk
Distance: 792.4566% / 7.92456588 | ADC: 0.5x
100.0 Early_Slav_average
Target: luk
Distance: 792.4566% / 7.92456588 | ADC: 0.25x
100.0 Early_Slav_average
Target: luk
Distance: 792.4566% / 7.92456588
100.0 Early_Slav_average
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