Paleo-Balkan admixture in Germany

[Kyp]

Where does it come from? Pre-historic? And from which cultures?

[Jana]

In southern Austria it is genuine I think, from Illyrians who did spread until there. But Germany?
Wouldn't it be some native Med/neolithic, possibly from central Euro Celts and to lesser extent Romans, who were partly (Celts) or fully (Romans) southern European as well?

Really not sure.

[Bosniensis]

Emperor Marcus Aurelius conquered Germany and some of his armies settled there.

Albanian, Bulgarian, Romanian etc... modern wog balkanite communities.

[Voskos]

Where does it come from? Pre-historic? And from which cultures?

Assimilated Greek and Turkish gastarbeiter.

just joking

[Kyp]

In southern Austria it is genuine I think, from Illyrians who did spread until there. But Germany?
Wouldn't it be some native Med/neolithic, possibly from central Euro Celts and to lesser extent Romans, who were partly (Celts) or fully (Romans) southern European as well?

Really not sure.

I don't know. What's the connection between Central European Celts and Paleo-Balkans? A lot of Germans seem to score some Balkans (not much) on Myheritage.

Yes could be Roman related too.

[Jana]

I don't know. What's the connection between Central European Celts and Paleo-Balkans? A lot of Germans seem to score some Balkans (not much) on Myheritage.

Yes could be Roman related too.

For example, BA Croatian samples scored significant part of Celtic like influence.
Teutone score Balkan too in my model and he is basically Northern German genetically. When I omitted Balkan, he scored Greco-Roman instead.

Look at this:
https://i.imgur.com/P40rUSY.png

[War Chef]

LBK farmers were sourced from the Balkans .... I always thought it was ancient. Could also be from austro-hungary stuff.

[Kyp]

LBK farmers were sourced from the Balkans .... I always thought it was ancient. Could also be from austro-hungary stuff.

I think ancient is more likely. Some minor stuff could be Roman and Austro-Hungarian related. I've read that some Romans were involved when Bavaria was formed for example.

[Leto]

Flüchtlinge aus dem Westbalkan xD

[Kyp]

Here something about the origin of the Bajuwaren (Bavarians)


"Nach Zusammenbruch der römischen Herrschaft in der Völkerwanderungszeit bildete sich das Volk der Bajuwaren. Vermutlich haben sich die Bajuwaren aus verschiedenen Volksgruppen gebildet:

aus Resten der keltischen Bevölkerung (Vindeliker, Boier)
aus einheimischen Römern
aus alemannischen, fränkischen bzw. thüringischen, ostgotischen und langobardischen Volkssplittern
aus germanischen Söldnern der römischen Grenztruppen"
- remain of Celts (Vindelik and Boii), local Romans,
- Germanics: Alemanns, Franks, Thuringli, ostrogoths, Langobards
- Germanic mercenaries of Rome

[Pubiczar]

Mainly BA legacy from assimilated E-V13 and other Balkan lineages by the Indo-European R1b tribes in Yamnaya.
One group of these would later migrate with the proto-Germanics to the north into what will be the Corded Ware Culture.
While the other group stem from the later Catacomb culture will follow the Danube river together with the proto-Keltic groups into the Western Balkans, Austria and Southern Germany.

[Ion Basescul]

Where does it come from? Pre-historic? And from which cultures?

Yes, it's old Farmer admixture.
Your answer is in this paper (https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3646727/), especially in figure 5, which shows that recently Germany didn't experience any Paleo-Balkan geneflow.

https://i.imgur.com/AM8AGy0.png

"Estimated average total numbers of genetic common ancestors shared per pair of individuals in various pairs of populations, in roughly the time periods 0–500 ya, 500–1,500 ya, 1,500–2,500 ya, and 2,500–4,300 ya.
We have combined some populations to obtain larger sample sizes: “S-C” denotes Serbo-Croatian speakers in former Yugoslavia, “PL” denotes Poland, “R-B” denotes Romania and Bulgaria, “DE” denotes Germany, “UK” denotes the United Kingdom, “IT” denotes Italy, and “Iber” denotes Spain and Portugal. For instance, the green bars in the leftmost panels tell us that Serbo-Croatian speakers and Germans most likely share 0–0.25 most recent genetic common ancestor from the last 500 years, 3–12 from the period 500–1,500 years ago, 120–150 from 1500–2,500 ya, and 170–250 from 2,500–4,400 ya. Although the lower bounds appear to extend to zero, they are significantly above zero in nearly all cases except for the most recent period 0–540 ya."



However, in the Migration Period, roughly year 500AD, Germany also experienced a female mediated migration of people with Southeast Euro/Balkan profiles. That coincides with the image from above, which shows an elevated candle for Romania-Bulgaria within the IBD profile of Germany between 500-1500 ya.

https://www.pnas.org/content/pnas/115/13/3494/F2.large.jpg?width=800&height=600&carousel=1

https://www.pnas.org/content/pnas/115/13/3494/F3.large.jpg?width=800&height=600&carousel=1

https://www.pnas.org/content/pnas/115/13/3494/F4.large.jpg?width=800&height=600&carousel=1
"Geographic distribution of population assignment analysis (PAA) results on pseudohaploid calls from off-target reads summed across individuals for (A) all Bavarian males, (B) all Bavarian females with normal skulls, (C) all Bavarian females with elongated skulls, and (D) KER_1 and VIM_2."

More on this, in this paper (https://www.pnas.org/content/115/13/3494).