What do North African Jews getting on Gedmatch tests?

[Serbat14]

What do North African Jews getting on Gedmatch tests? (I am talking about Moroccan/Algerian/Tunisian/Libyan/Egyptian Jews)
Are there any North African Jews Gedmatch results here?
If so, can one of you show me them
I wonder to what populations they are genetically close too.

[ModernMaskil]

Can't be bothered to find kits atm but they're closest to Ashkenazi Jews, Levantines, Italians and Greeks.

Its outdated but the K15 PCA illustrates it fairly well: https://i.imgur.com/bZFhMgo.png

[Serbat14]

Bump

[Serbat14]

Bumpussy

[JosephK]

I'd be curious to know as well, since I often get 25% North African Jew on GEDMatch Oracles and have no Jewish heritage...

[Serbat14]

I'd be curious to know as well, since I often get 25% North African Jew on GEDMatch Oracles and have no Jewish heritage...
I would like to see a moroccan or an Algerian jew Gedmatch
I think they will be close to Italian jews the most but I am still not sure

[Serbat14]

this fourm is dead asf

[Serbat14]

BUMP

[waam]

Here's a post I made some time ago with some Libyan Jewish results.

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?245007-Differences-in-origins-between-different-North-African-Jewish-groups&p=5147673&viewfull=1#post5147673

[PaleoEuropean]

I'd be curious to know as well, since I often get 25% North African Jew on GEDMatch Oracles and have no Jewish heritage...

which calculator?

[whoibe]

I would like to see a moroccan or an Algerian jew Gedmatch
I think they will be close to Italian jews the most but I am still not sure

This match gets Italian Jewish as his first result in k13:

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 38.34
2 West_Med 21.04
3 North_Atlantic 15.19
4 Red_Sea 10.22
5 West_Asian 9.33
6 Northeast_African 2.01
7 South_Asian 1.19
8 Sub-Saharan 1.01
9 Baltic 0.95
10 Oceanian 0.65
11 Amerindian 0.07

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Italian_Jewish 4.04
2 Sephardic_Jewish 4.18
3 Algerian_Jewish 4.74
4 Tunisian_Jewish 4.86
5 Libyan_Jewish 5.63
6 Ashkenazi 10.09
7 South_Italian 10.26
8 East_Sicilian 11.58
9 West_Sicilian 12.6
10 Cyprian 13.23
11 Central_Greek 13.78
12 Italian_Abruzzo 15.03
13 Samaritan 16.31
14 Lebanese_Muslim 16.39
15 Syrian 16.79
16 Palestinian 16.86
17 Jordanian 17.78
18 Lebanese_Christian 18.19
19 Tunisian 18.28
20 Lebanese_Druze 18.78

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 90.4% Tunisian_Jewish + 9.6% Spanish_Aragon @ 2.93
2 91.5% Italian_Jewish + 8.5% Saudi @ 2.95
3 92.6% Tunisian_Jewish + 7.4% French_Basque @ 2.96
4 89.7% Tunisian_Jewish + 10.3% Spanish_Valencia @ 2.99
5 88% Italian_Jewish + 12% Algerian @ 3.06
6 87.3% Italian_Jewish + 12.7% Tunisian @ 3.07
7 89.5% Tunisian_Jewish + 10.5% Spanish_Andalucia @ 3.08
8 90.1% Tunisian_Jewish + 9.9% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 3.09
9 91.2% Tunisian_Jewish + 8.8% Southwest_French @ 3.09
10 90.7% Tunisian_Jewish + 9.3% Spanish_Cantabria @ 3.1
11 90.1% Tunisian_Jewish + 9.9% Sardinian @ 3.11
12 89.3% Italian_Jewish + 10.7% Moroccan @ 3.11
13 89.6% Tunisian_Jewish + 10.4% Spanish_Murcia @ 3.12
14 89.4% Tunisian_Jewish + 10.6% Spanish_Extremadura @ 3.13
15 89.5% Italian_Jewish + 10.5% Mozabite_Berber @ 3.16
16 88.7% Italian_Jewish + 11.3% Egyptian @ 3.17
17 65.2% Italian_Jewish + 34.8% Libyan_Jewish @ 3.18
18 90.1% Tunisian_Jewish + 9.9% Spanish_Galicia @ 3.19
19 92.1% Italian_Jewish + 7.9% Yemenite_Jewish @ 3.2
20 90.2% Tunisian_Jewish + 9.8% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon

and moroccan on mdlp:
# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 33.74
2 European_Early_Farmers 21.53
3 Near_East 17.53
4 North_African 9.73
5 South_Central_Asian 6.99
6 European_Hunters_Gatherers 5.46
7 South_Indian 1.71
8 East_African 1.58
9 Melano_Polynesian 1.14
10 Archaic_Human 0.4
11 Archaic_African 0.16
12 Amerindian 0.03

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Moroccan_Jew ( ) 5.32
2 Sephardic_Jew ( ) 6.24
3 Turk_Jew ( ) 6.92
4 Libyan_Jew ( ) 7.1
5 Sicilian_West ( ) 7.9
6 Sicilian_Agrigento ( ) 8.25
7 Maltese ( ) 8.34
8 Italian_Jew ( ) 8.34
9 Tunisian_Jew ( ) 8.9
10 French_Jew ( ) 8.99
11 Ashkenazi_Jew ( ) 9.26
12 Sicilian_Trapani ( ) 9.35
13 Sicilian_Siracusa ( ) 10.5
14 Sicilian_East ( ) 10.85
15 Syrian_Jew ( ) 12.77
16 Ashkenazi ( ) 12.79
17 Greek_Peloponnesos ( ) 13.43
18 Greek_Northwest ( ) 13.75
19 Italian_Abruzzo ( ) 14
20 Bulgarian ( ) 14.42

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 63.9% Samaritian ( ) + 36.1% Portugese ( ) @ 2.99
2 82.8% Maltese ( ) + 17.2% Saudi ( ) @ 3.21
3 68.1% Samaritian ( ) + 31.9% Spanish_Castilla_y_Leon_IBS ( ) @ 3.24
4 93.8% Sephardic_Jew ( ) + 6.2% BedouinB ( ) @ 3.26
5 92.4% Sephardic_Jew ( ) + 7.6% Amhara ( ) @ 3.28
6 92.4% Sephardic_Jew ( ) + 7.6% Ethiopian_Tygray ( ) @ 3.28
7 83% Sicilian_Agrigento ( ) + 17% Saudi ( ) @ 3.29
8 90.6% French_Jew ( ) + 9.4% BedouinB ( ) @ 3.3
9 92.8% Sephardic_Jew ( ) + 7.2% Ethiopian_Jew ( ) @ 3.31
10 85.5% Sicilian_Agrigento ( ) + 14.5% Qatari ( ) @ 3.33
11 69.9% Sicilian_Trapani ( ) + 30.1% BedouinA ( ) @ 3.35
12 67.6% Samaritian ( ) + 32.4% Spanish_Murcia_IBS ( ) @ 3.36
13 85.3% Maltese ( ) + 14.7% Qatari ( ) @ 3.38
14 60.6% Lebanese_Christian ( ) + 39.4% Spanish_Canarias_IBS ( ) @ 3.39
15 92.9% Sephardic_Jew ( ) + 7.1% Afar_WGA ( ) @ 3.4
16 67.1% Samaritian ( ) + 32.9% Spanish_Extremadura_IBS ( ) @ 3.52
17 73.1% Sicilian_Agrigento ( ) + 26.9% BedouinA ( ) @ 3.52
18 67.6% Samaritian ( ) + 32.4% Spanish_Canarias_IBS ( ) @ 3.6
19 67.7% Samaritian ( ) + 32.3% Spanish_Galicia_IBS ( ) @ 3.6
20 68.8% Samaritian ( ) + 31.2% Spanish_Andalucia_IBS ( )

[waam]

This match gets Italian Jewish as his first result in k13:

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 38.34
2 West_Med 21.04
3 North_Atlantic 15.19
4 Red_Sea 10.22
5 West_Asian 9.33
6 Northeast_African 2.01
7 South_Asian 1.19
8 Sub-Saharan 1.01
9 Baltic 0.95
10 Oceanian 0.65
11 Amerindian 0.07

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Italian_Jewish 4.04
2 Sephardic_Jewish 4.18
3 Algerian_Jewish 4.74
4 Tunisian_Jewish 4.86
5 Libyan_Jewish 5.63
6 Ashkenazi 10.09
7 South_Italian 10.26
8 East_Sicilian 11.58
9 West_Sicilian 12.6
10 Cyprian 13.23
11 Central_Greek 13.78
12 Italian_Abruzzo 15.03
13 Samaritan 16.31
14 Lebanese_Muslim 16.39
15 Syrian 16.79
16 Palestinian 16.86
17 Jordanian 17.78
18 Lebanese_Christian 18.19
19 Tunisian 18.28
20 Lebanese_Druze 18.78

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 90.4% Tunisian_Jewish + 9.6% Spanish_Aragon @ 2.93
2 91.5% Italian_Jewish + 8.5% Saudi @ 2.95
3 92.6% Tunisian_Jewish + 7.4% French_Basque @ 2.96
4 89.7% Tunisian_Jewish + 10.3% Spanish_Valencia @ 2.99
5 88% Italian_Jewish + 12% Algerian @ 3.06
6 87.3% Italian_Jewish + 12.7% Tunisian @ 3.07
7 89.5% Tunisian_Jewish + 10.5% Spanish_Andalucia @ 3.08
8 90.1% Tunisian_Jewish + 9.9% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 3.09
9 91.2% Tunisian_Jewish + 8.8% Southwest_French @ 3.09
10 90.7% Tunisian_Jewish + 9.3% Spanish_Cantabria @ 3.1
11 90.1% Tunisian_Jewish + 9.9% Sardinian @ 3.11
12 89.3% Italian_Jewish + 10.7% Moroccan @ 3.11
13 89.6% Tunisian_Jewish + 10.4% Spanish_Murcia @ 3.12
14 89.4% Tunisian_Jewish + 10.6% Spanish_Extremadura @ 3.13
15 89.5% Italian_Jewish + 10.5% Mozabite_Berber @ 3.16
16 88.7% Italian_Jewish + 11.3% Egyptian @ 3.17
17 65.2% Italian_Jewish + 34.8% Libyan_Jewish @ 3.18
18 90.1% Tunisian_Jewish + 9.9% Spanish_Galicia @ 3.19
19 92.1% Italian_Jewish + 7.9% Yemenite_Jewish @ 3.2
20 90.2% Tunisian_Jewish + 9.8% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon

and moroccan on mdlp:
# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 33.74
2 European_Early_Farmers 21.53
3 Near_East 17.53
4 North_African 9.73
5 South_Central_Asian 6.99
6 European_Hunters_Gatherers 5.46
7 South_Indian 1.71
8 East_African 1.58
9 Melano_Polynesian 1.14
10 Archaic_Human 0.4
11 Archaic_African 0.16
12 Amerindian 0.03

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Moroccan_Jew ( ) 5.32
2 Sephardic_Jew ( ) 6.24
3 Turk_Jew ( ) 6.92
4 Libyan_Jew ( ) 7.1
5 Sicilian_West ( ) 7.9
6 Sicilian_Agrigento ( ) 8.25
7 Maltese ( ) 8.34
8 Italian_Jew ( ) 8.34
9 Tunisian_Jew ( ) 8.9
10 French_Jew ( ) 8.99
11 Ashkenazi_Jew ( ) 9.26
12 Sicilian_Trapani ( ) 9.35
13 Sicilian_Siracusa ( ) 10.5
14 Sicilian_East ( ) 10.85
15 Syrian_Jew ( ) 12.77
16 Ashkenazi ( ) 12.79
17 Greek_Peloponnesos ( ) 13.43
18 Greek_Northwest ( ) 13.75
19 Italian_Abruzzo ( ) 14
20 Bulgarian ( ) 14.42

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 63.9% Samaritian ( ) + 36.1% Portugese ( ) @ 2.99
2 82.8% Maltese ( ) + 17.2% Saudi ( ) @ 3.21
3 68.1% Samaritian ( ) + 31.9% Spanish_Castilla_y_Leon_IBS ( ) @ 3.24
4 93.8% Sephardic_Jew ( ) + 6.2% BedouinB ( ) @ 3.26
5 92.4% Sephardic_Jew ( ) + 7.6% Amhara ( ) @ 3.28
6 92.4% Sephardic_Jew ( ) + 7.6% Ethiopian_Tygray ( ) @ 3.28
7 83% Sicilian_Agrigento ( ) + 17% Saudi ( ) @ 3.29
8 90.6% French_Jew ( ) + 9.4% BedouinB ( ) @ 3.3
9 92.8% Sephardic_Jew ( ) + 7.2% Ethiopian_Jew ( ) @ 3.31
10 85.5% Sicilian_Agrigento ( ) + 14.5% Qatari ( ) @ 3.33
11 69.9% Sicilian_Trapani ( ) + 30.1% BedouinA ( ) @ 3.35
12 67.6% Samaritian ( ) + 32.4% Spanish_Murcia_IBS ( ) @ 3.36
13 85.3% Maltese ( ) + 14.7% Qatari ( ) @ 3.38
14 60.6% Lebanese_Christian ( ) + 39.4% Spanish_Canarias_IBS ( ) @ 3.39
15 92.9% Sephardic_Jew ( ) + 7.1% Afar_WGA ( ) @ 3.4
16 67.1% Samaritian ( ) + 32.9% Spanish_Extremadura_IBS ( ) @ 3.52
17 73.1% Sicilian_Agrigento ( ) + 26.9% BedouinA ( ) @ 3.52
18 67.6% Samaritian ( ) + 32.4% Spanish_Canarias_IBS ( ) @ 3.6
19 67.7% Samaritian ( ) + 32.3% Spanish_Galicia_IBS ( ) @ 3.6
20 68.8% Samaritian ( ) + 31.2% Spanish_Andalucia_IBS ( )

Is this an actual match of yours?

[Serbat14]

This match gets Italian Jewish as his first result in k13:

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 38.34
2 West_Med 21.04
3 North_Atlantic 15.19
4 Red_Sea 10.22
5 West_Asian 9.33
6 Northeast_African 2.01
7 South_Asian 1.19
8 Sub-Saharan 1.01
9 Baltic 0.95
10 Oceanian 0.65
11 Amerindian 0.07

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Italian_Jewish 4.04
2 Sephardic_Jewish 4.18
3 Algerian_Jewish 4.74
4 Tunisian_Jewish 4.86
5 Libyan_Jewish 5.63
6 Ashkenazi 10.09
7 South_Italian 10.26
8 East_Sicilian 11.58
9 West_Sicilian 12.6
10 Cyprian 13.23
11 Central_Greek 13.78
12 Italian_Abruzzo 15.03
13 Samaritan 16.31
14 Lebanese_Muslim 16.39
15 Syrian 16.79
16 Palestinian 16.86
17 Jordanian 17.78
18 Lebanese_Christian 18.19
19 Tunisian 18.28
20 Lebanese_Druze 18.78

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 90.4% Tunisian_Jewish + 9.6% Spanish_Aragon @ 2.93
2 91.5% Italian_Jewish + 8.5% Saudi @ 2.95
3 92.6% Tunisian_Jewish + 7.4% French_Basque @ 2.96
4 89.7% Tunisian_Jewish + 10.3% Spanish_Valencia @ 2.99
5 88% Italian_Jewish + 12% Algerian @ 3.06
6 87.3% Italian_Jewish + 12.7% Tunisian @ 3.07
7 89.5% Tunisian_Jewish + 10.5% Spanish_Andalucia @ 3.08
8 90.1% Tunisian_Jewish + 9.9% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 3.09
9 91.2% Tunisian_Jewish + 8.8% Southwest_French @ 3.09
10 90.7% Tunisian_Jewish + 9.3% Spanish_Cantabria @ 3.1
11 90.1% Tunisian_Jewish + 9.9% Sardinian @ 3.11
12 89.3% Italian_Jewish + 10.7% Moroccan @ 3.11
13 89.6% Tunisian_Jewish + 10.4% Spanish_Murcia @ 3.12
14 89.4% Tunisian_Jewish + 10.6% Spanish_Extremadura @ 3.13
15 89.5% Italian_Jewish + 10.5% Mozabite_Berber @ 3.16
16 88.7% Italian_Jewish + 11.3% Egyptian @ 3.17
17 65.2% Italian_Jewish + 34.8% Libyan_Jewish @ 3.18
18 90.1% Tunisian_Jewish + 9.9% Spanish_Galicia @ 3.19
19 92.1% Italian_Jewish + 7.9% Yemenite_Jewish @ 3.2
20 90.2% Tunisian_Jewish + 9.8% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon

and moroccan on mdlp:
# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 33.74
2 European_Early_Farmers 21.53
3 Near_East 17.53
4 North_African 9.73
5 South_Central_Asian 6.99
6 European_Hunters_Gatherers 5.46
7 South_Indian 1.71
8 East_African 1.58
9 Melano_Polynesian 1.14
10 Archaic_Human 0.4
11 Archaic_African 0.16
12 Amerindian 0.03

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Moroccan_Jew ( ) 5.32
2 Sephardic_Jew ( ) 6.24
3 Turk_Jew ( ) 6.92
4 Libyan_Jew ( ) 7.1
5 Sicilian_West ( ) 7.9
6 Sicilian_Agrigento ( ) 8.25
7 Maltese ( ) 8.34
8 Italian_Jew ( ) 8.34
9 Tunisian_Jew ( ) 8.9
10 French_Jew ( ) 8.99
11 Ashkenazi_Jew ( ) 9.26
12 Sicilian_Trapani ( ) 9.35
13 Sicilian_Siracusa ( ) 10.5
14 Sicilian_East ( ) 10.85
15 Syrian_Jew ( ) 12.77
16 Ashkenazi ( ) 12.79
17 Greek_Peloponnesos ( ) 13.43
18 Greek_Northwest ( ) 13.75
19 Italian_Abruzzo ( ) 14
20 Bulgarian ( ) 14.42

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 63.9% Samaritian ( ) + 36.1% Portugese ( ) @ 2.99
2 82.8% Maltese ( ) + 17.2% Saudi ( ) @ 3.21
3 68.1% Samaritian ( ) + 31.9% Spanish_Castilla_y_Leon_IBS ( ) @ 3.24
4 93.8% Sephardic_Jew ( ) + 6.2% BedouinB ( ) @ 3.26
5 92.4% Sephardic_Jew ( ) + 7.6% Amhara ( ) @ 3.28
6 92.4% Sephardic_Jew ( ) + 7.6% Ethiopian_Tygray ( ) @ 3.28
7 83% Sicilian_Agrigento ( ) + 17% Saudi ( ) @ 3.29
8 90.6% French_Jew ( ) + 9.4% BedouinB ( ) @ 3.3
9 92.8% Sephardic_Jew ( ) + 7.2% Ethiopian_Jew ( ) @ 3.31
10 85.5% Sicilian_Agrigento ( ) + 14.5% Qatari ( ) @ 3.33
11 69.9% Sicilian_Trapani ( ) + 30.1% BedouinA ( ) @ 3.35
12 67.6% Samaritian ( ) + 32.4% Spanish_Murcia_IBS ( ) @ 3.36
13 85.3% Maltese ( ) + 14.7% Qatari ( ) @ 3.38
14 60.6% Lebanese_Christian ( ) + 39.4% Spanish_Canarias_IBS ( ) @ 3.39
15 92.9% Sephardic_Jew ( ) + 7.1% Afar_WGA ( ) @ 3.4
16 67.1% Samaritian ( ) + 32.9% Spanish_Extremadura_IBS ( ) @ 3.52
17 73.1% Sicilian_Agrigento ( ) + 26.9% BedouinA ( ) @ 3.52
18 67.6% Samaritian ( ) + 32.4% Spanish_Canarias_IBS ( ) @ 3.6
19 67.7% Samaritian ( ) + 32.3% Spanish_Galicia_IBS ( ) @ 3.6
20 68.8% Samaritian ( ) + 31.2% Spanish_Andalucia_IBS ( )

Interesting
Do you think Ashkenazi Jews are more north shifted towards moroccan jews because they have some Slavic/Germanic admixture in them or because they more European ancestry? Or maybe because of both?

[Serbat14]

Bump

[Leto]

Bump
https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?281226-Eurogenes-Averages-For-Various-Jewish-Groups

[whoibe]

Is this an actual match of yours?

Yes


Interesting
Do you think Ashkenazi Jews are more north shifted towards moroccan jews because they have some Slavic/Germanic admixture in them or because they more European ancestry? Or maybe because of both?

I have to point out that I don't really know his background, so shouldn't really draw any conclusions from that. He also gets 10.86 Pct on Jtest.

[Serbat14]

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?281226-Eurogenes-Averages-For-Various-Jewish-Groups
Thanks
But can you also show me to what populations they are close too (if you still have the results

[waam]

Yes.

Interesting. Do you check that out?

[whoibe]

Interesting. Do you check that out?

The match is part of a triangulated group of mostly Sephardic matches and a few Hispanic/Italian ones. We're most likely related on my paternal line. Big-Y results should tell me more soon.

[JosephK]

which calculator?

At least Dodecad 12:
2 Cornwall_1000Genomes + Lithuanians_Behar + Morocco_Jews_Behar + Polish_Dodecad @ 1.755571
3 British_Dodecad + Lithuanians_Behar + Morocco_Jews_Behar + Polish_Dodecad @ 1.785369
4 Irish_Dodecad + Lithuanian_Dodecad + Morocco_Jews_Behar + Polish_Dodecad @ 1.859216
(...)

and MDLP World 22:
19 Jew_Morocco_derived + Lithuanian_V_derived + Swedish_V_derived + Welsh_derived @ 2.181146
20 Jew_Morocco_derived + Lithuanian_derived + Swedish_V_derived + Welsh_derived @ 2.182681

Eurogenes k13:
7 77.7% North_Swedish + 22.3% Algerian_Jewish @ 3.62

....