Are you related to Jean-Paul Marat - Revolutionary France ? +MyTrueAncestry

[Gaditanian]

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The future French Revolutionary Jean-Paul Marat left home at the age of 16 to train in medicine and would eventually settle in Newcastle upon Tyne where he gained a reputation as being a highly efficient doctor who also had an interest in political writings.

He moved back France 6 years later and his medical skills earned him the patronage of the aristocracy. He used his new found wealth to found a scientific laboratory where he began studies on fire, heat, light and electricity - he was even visited by Benjamin Franklin.

Despite his new status and success, he began so spend a lot of time discussing and writing about social injustice.

As Louis XVI struggled to maintain power in the late 1780s by assembling the Estates-General for the first time in 175 years, Marat decided to end his research and medical profession to focus entirely on his passion for politics.

He began writing on the topics of social, economic and religious reforms - this manifested itself in numerous vicious attacks on those he proclaimed were enemies of the people. His newspaper called for extreme violence against the upper class and government provoking statements such as "five or six hundred heads cut off would have assured your repose, freedom and happiness.".

After reaching fame, He was elected to the National Convention in 1792 where he actively supported the death of the deposed King in a trial.

Due to the potent and dangerous nature of his writings, Marat was forced periodically to go into hiding in Paris's extensive sewer network.

This is believed to have caused a skin condition which required him to spend hours bathing in a medicinal bath. On the 13th July 1793, Marat allowed a young woman named Charlotte Corday to visit him in this bath - she came under the pretense of posessing a list of supposed traitors.

However in reality she was a Royalist sympathizer who had come to seek revenge. Corday plunged a kitchen knife into Marat's chest severing a major artery. He quickly died as a result of major blood loss.

The parchment in Marat's hand was covered in blood and was used to sample his DNA. Corday was quickly put on trial and guillotined in Paris within 4 days.

Marat's funeral was a big event in Revolutionary France, and every member of the National Convention came. The infamous Marquis de Sade - french nobleman, revolutionary politician, serial rapist and philosopher delivered the euology - the modern word sadism derives from his name.

Marat's bathtub and Corday's knife were sold to the Musée Grévin in Paris where a wax figure depicting this assasination sits today.

[gixajo]

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[gixajo]

Jean-Paul Marat Revolutionary France


Genetic Distance: 14.881
Sample Match! 90% closer than other users

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[Benyzero]

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[nittionia]

I don't but my grandma does
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[Samnium]

A violent anti-monarchy and anti-church guy.

He called for September massacres where thousands of priest were slaughtered.

[Gaditanian]

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Great result ! :thumb001:

[Gaditanian]

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Great result ! :thumb001:

[gixajo]

Great result ! :thumb001:

Is the first time I am watching my matches in MTA...

[mitalit]

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[Div]

I'm glad I'm not related to that freemasonic war criminal

[Ylla]

Jean-Paul Marat Revolutionary France


Genetic Distance: 26.316
Sample Match! 25% closer than other users

[Lucas]

Lol, non of you is related to Marat, it's impossible especially of so many users from different countries:)
Only in MTA version of K15 Ancient oracle you have some single distance to this sample.

[gixajo]

I'm glad I'm not related to that freemasonic war criminal

Of course, you prefer your own national war criminals, isn´t it?

We are not related, simply we have some genetic closeness, he was French, so it´s normal be so close among samples from all over the world.

[Coastal Elite]

It's more plausible that I'm related to Bronson Pinchot

https://i.imgur.com/91HXC3Y.jpg

[JohnnyP]

https://i.imgur.com/jn8YBkT.jpg

[Hajimurad]

In the Soviet Union Jean-Paule Marat was considered as hero. Name Marat was popular in USSR.
His ancestry - father was from Cagliari in Sardinia (of Marrano origin from Spain) and mother - a Huguenot from Rouergue.

[Celestia]

Yes.



Jean-Paul Marat Revolutionary France

mtDNA Haplogroup: H2a2a1f
Y-DNA Haplogroup: Uncertain

Genetic Distance: 15.650
Sample Match! 87% closer than other users

[paradox]

Coincidently he looked like like an uncle of mine. We have French looking people in the family. No way to tell if these matches are genuine or not though.

Jean-Paul Marat Revolutionary France

Marat (1793 AD)

Genetic Distance: 29.626

Sample Match! 21% closer than other users

My father's

Jean-Paul Marat Revolutionary France

Marat (1793 AD)

Genetic Distance: 20.204

Sample Match! 51% closer than other users

[PaleoEuropean]

Nope, don't have any ties to the French peasantry

[Coastal Elite]

Nope, don't have any ties to the French peasantry

He was probably a pretty smart fucker though. MyTrueAncestry is full of shit anyway.

[PaleoEuropean]

He was probably a pretty smart fucker though. MyTrueAncestry is full of shit anyway.

Yea, no doubt; but my only connections to France are via Alsace Germans and Normans, I don't have like any French ancestors otherwise. Nothing against peasantry or even the French Revolution. I am a Francophile when it comes to the Revolution.

[IrisSelene]

Yes I am but barely



Jean-Paul Marat Revolutionary France


mtDNA Haplogroup: H2a2a1f

Y-DNA Haplogroup: Uncertain


Genetic Distance: 28.217
Sample Match! 22% closer than other users

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[Coastal Elite]

Yea, no doubt; but my only connections to France are via Alsace Germans and Normans, I don't have like any French ancestors otherwise. Nothing against peasantry or even the French Revolution. I am a Francophile when it comes to the Revolution.

Yeah, it's probably accurate for you in that sense. These calculators often mistake me for being French because of my mix so that is why these results are kind of a joke.

[IrisSelene]

I kept saying it's bullshit that I match any French or German samples but I get eveywhere connections so I guess I just rlly must be partly french/German [emoji53]

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[Grace O'Malley]

No I'm not. Anyway it's all just based on genetic distance. It doesn't mean you are related.

https://i.imgur.com/4S1e8Xc.png

[Coastal Elite]

No I'm not. Anyway it's all just based on genetic distance. It doesn't mean you are related.

https://i.imgur.com/4S1e8Xc.png

Exactly. MyAncestryDNA is basically saying if your plot near this dude, you must be related, which is farcical.

[IrisSelene]

Exactly. MyAncestryDNA is basically saying if your plot near this dude, you must be related, which is farcical.But I plot beside Moldova? I'm confused.

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[Grace O'Malley]

Exactly. MyAncestryDNA is basically saying if your plot near this dude, you must be related, which is farcical.

It's more a novelty site. I like that it tells me about these ancient samples and links the papers but I know it is not correct in saying you are linked to certain groups. All people from certain populations will get the same groups i.e. Celts, Vikings, Saxons etc and even the deep dives are a load of twaddle. I still like the site but people shouldn't use it for ancestry purposes like some people appear to be doing.

To see if you are related to ancient populations this is what Davidski/Generalissimo said when responding to someone who said they matched Cheddar Man.


I matched Cheddar Man on three markers at 33, with the largest segment being 13.8. So why couldn't you?

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Generalissimo

It's an individual from the Mesolithic, that's why.

You should expect only to share IBD hits that are less than 1cM with such people, and such shared segments are very difficult to detect unless you have full genome sequences and can use rare alleles in your IBD run.



So your IBD results are bullshit.

[Coastal Elite]

But I plot beside Moldova? I'm confused.

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When it comes to these individuals that MyAncestryDNA claims people are related to, they are simply using genetic distance, as Grace said. So for example, Ancestry might claim I'm 96% closer to this French dude than other users but that is simply because French is a midpoint for me and this guy happens to be French.

[Coastal Elite]

It's more a novelty site. I like that it tells me about these ancient samples and links the papers but I know it is not correct in saying you are linked to certain groups. All people from certain populations will get the same groups i.e. Celts, Vikings, Saxons etc and even the deep dives are a load of twaddle. I still like the site but people shouldn't use it for ancestry purposes like some people appear to be doing.

To see if you are related to ancient populations this is what Davidski/Generalissimo said when responding to someone who said they matched Cheddar Man.


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To be honest, I kind of like MyAncestry despite the BS. It's good entertainment. It's interesting for genetic distances but it's very misleading in a number of other ways.

[IrisSelene]

When it comes to these individuals that MyAncestryDNA claims people are related to, they are simply using genetic distance, as Grace said. So for example, Ancestry might claim I'm 96% closer to this French dude than other users but that is simply because French is a midpoint for me and this guy happens to be French.So it could be bc of my small German ancestry that I seem to have that might draw me closer to it than other people? Bc otherwise I don't get it, as if we go by where I plot, I think i would plot more far from France than Grace who said she doesn't even match the sample.

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[Grace O'Malley]

But I plot beside Moldova? I'm confused.

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You're genetic distance to Marat is very large anyway. Not sure why some people that are very distant get that they match when it is such larges distances. Anyway even if you were really close distance wise it still doesn't mean you have any relationship with Marat.

https://i.imgur.com/WBsxriG.png

I match Philip Calvert, a Governor of Maryland and his baby son (closer to the son). My distance is significantly closer than you are to Marat but in no way do I believe I'm actually related to the Calverts. I'm just close to them in distance the same as I would be to other people of a similar ethnicity i.e. British Isles ancestry.

[Coastal Elite]

So it could be bc of my small German ancestry that I seem to have that might draw me closer to it than other people? Bc otherwise I don't get it, as if we go by where I plot, I think i would plot more far from France than Grace who said she doesn't even match the sample.

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Yes, I would say your mix of ancestry basically puts you close enough to French people that a site like this would claim you are related to a French historic figure. The truth is that you or I are not actually related to this guy, just genetically within range to him due to our mix of ancestry.

[Grace O'Malley]

When it comes to these individuals that MyAncestryDNA claims people are related to, they are simply using genetic distance, as Grace said. So for example, Ancestry might claim I'm 96% closer to this French dude than other users but that is simply because French is a midpoint for me and this guy happens to be French.

You match him not because you have French ancestry but due to the problem that your Irish/Romanian ancestry make you cluster at a half-way point. If MTA worked and was accurate you should be sharing similar IBD samples as myself and also picking up IBD samples that Romanians get. I don't think that happens? Are you getting those Icelandic samples, British Bronze and Iron Age, Vikings, Saxons and Longobards in your deepdive?

[dududud]

Jean-Paul Marat Revolutionary France
Marat (1793 AD)

mtDNA Haplogroup: H2a2a1f
Y-DNA Haplogroup: Uncertain

Genetic Distance: 13.306
Sample Match! 95% closer than other users


Mother
Jean-Paul Marat Revolutionary France
Marat (1793 AD)

mtDNA Haplogroup: H2a2a1f
Y-DNA Haplogroup: Uncertain

Genetic Distance: 15.342
Sample Match! 88% closer than other users




Father:
Jean-Paul Marat Revolutionary France
Marat (1793 AD)

mtDNA Haplogroup: H2a2a1f
Y-DNA Haplogroup: Uncertain

Genetic Distance: 15.281
Sample Match! 89% closer than other users

[Coastal Elite]

You match him not because you have French ancestry but due to the problem that your Irish/Romanian ancestry make you cluster at a half-way point. If MTA worked and was accurate you should be sharing similar IBD samples as myself and also picking up IBD samples that Romanians get. I don't think that happens? Are you getting those Icelandic samples, British Bronze and Iron Age, Vikings, Saxons and Longobards in your deepdive?

I get Longobard, Scotland Late Bronze Age, Medieval Netherlands Plague, Gallo Roman, and Celtic Briton Gladiator York on deep dive. My mom gets lots of Viking Sweden, Norwegian Viking Iceland, Gaelic Settler Viking Iceland, etc on Deep Drive but nothing that close in percentage despite being almost full Irish. No trophy for my family

[Grace O'Malley]

So it could be bc of my small German ancestry that I seem to have that might draw me closer to it than other people? Bc otherwise I don't get it, as if we go by where I plot, I think i would plot more far from France than Grace who said she doesn't even match the sample.

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I doubt it has anything to do with a small amount of German ancestry. It looks to me like people get some of this spotlight dna if they come up in their top 50 etc. I get very close distances. All my top 100 matches are under 10 distance wise and even my outlier samples are between 12 and 13.35 genetic distance so all the spotlights I get are at a close distance.

I mean I get the Birka Sheild Maiden but I have no Swedish ancestry. Not even a small amount.

https://i.imgur.com/y3YAre2.png

[PaleoEuropean]

Yeah, it's probably accurate for you in that sense. These calculators often mistake me for being French because of my mix so that is why these results are kind of a joke.

I get a lot of matches with the Merovingians though but I never match the average French person. I don't match Carolingians oddly.

[Grace O'Malley]

I get Longobard, Scotland Late Bronze Age, Medieval Netherlands Plague, Gallo Roman, and Celtic Briton Gladiator York on deep dive. My mom gets lots of Viking Sweden, Norwegian Viking Iceland, Gaelic Settler Viking Iceland, etc on Deep Drive but nothing that close in percentage despite being almost full Irish. No trophy for my family

Well that's a good sign you get some of those samples on deepdive. It is obvious to people that populations that are close to each other will share a lot of ancient ancestors so we should all have ancestry from Bronze Age populations etc.

I get a very close match to one of the samples from Floki's Expedition but I think that person would have a lot of Irish ancestry and that is why I have such a close genetic distance.

https://i.imgur.com/wAsv9CS.png

[Coastal Elite]

Well that's a good sign you get some of those samples on deepdive. It is obvious to people that populations that are close to each other will share a lot of ancient ancestors so we should all have ancestry from Bronze Age populations etc.

I get a very close match to one of the samples from Floki's Expedition but I think that person would have a lot of Irish ancestry and that is why I have such a close genetic distance.

https://i.imgur.com/wAsv9CS.png

Very similar to my mom (23andMe). She might be even closer to you had she taken AncestryDNA, which is a tad north shifted compared to 23andMe

https://i.imgur.com/teTzdMn.jpg

[Grace O'Malley]

Very similar to my mom

https://i.imgur.com/teTzdMn.jpg

It backs up that this is done on genetic distance. I wonder if a half Norwegian/half Thai would get any matches from Floki's Expedition despite being half Norwegian? I bet they wouldn't.

[Coastal Elite]

It backs up that this is done on genetic distance. I wonder if a half Norwegian/half Thai would get any matches from Floki's Expedition despite being half Norwegian? I bet they wouldn't.

Yup, or half Norwegian/half sub-Saharan African. The genetic distance would be too great despite the person having real Scandinavian ancestry. That is the farcical aspect.

[Grace O'Malley]

Yup, or half Norwegian/half sub-Saharan African. The genetic distance would be too great despite the person having real Scandinavian ancestry. That is the farcical aspect.

I think some Irish closeness is due to genetic distance but some of these ancient Icelanders do have genuine Irish/Scottish ancestry and it is not surprising to have such close distance to some of these samples. I also think Irish have some Norse input. My 2nd closest population in the Global 25 is to Iceland. Did you get G25 for your mum?

2 Custom:AGUser_Grace Irish_Averaged Averaged 1.876
3 Custom:AGUser_Grace Icelandic_Averaged Averaged 1.914
5 Custom:AGUser_Grace Scottish_Averaged Averaged 1.964
6 Custom:AGUser_Grace Orcadian_Averaged Averaged 1.98
12 Custom:AGUser_Grace English_Averaged Averaged 2.206
14 Custom:AGUser_Grace Welsh_Averaged Averaged 2.22
24 Custom:AGUser_Grace Norwegian_Averaged Averaged 2.336
39 Custom:AGUser_Grace English_Cornwall_Averaged Averaged 2.454
40 Custom:AGUser_Grace Dutch_Averaged Averaged 2.459
45 Custom:AGUser_Grace Shetlandic_Averaged Averaged 2.494

[Coastal Elite]

I think some Irish closeness is due to genetic distance but some of these ancient Icelanders do have genuine Irish/Scottish ancestry and it is not surprising to have such close distance to some of these samples. I also think Irish have some Norse input. My 2nd closest population in the Global 25 is to Iceland. Did you get G25 for your mum?

2 Custom:AGUser_Grace Irish_Averaged Averaged 1.876
3 Custom:AGUser_Grace Icelandic_Averaged Averaged 1.914
5 Custom:AGUser_Grace Scottish_Averaged Averaged 1.964
6 Custom:AGUser_Grace Orcadian_Averaged Averaged 1.98
12 Custom:AGUser_Grace English_Averaged Averaged 2.206
14 Custom:AGUser_Grace Welsh_Averaged Averaged 2.22
24 Custom:AGUser_Grace Norwegian_Averaged Averaged 2.336
39 Custom:AGUser_Grace English_Cornwall_Averaged Averaged 2.454
40 Custom:AGUser_Grace Dutch_Averaged Averaged 2.459
45 Custom:AGUser_Grace Shetlandic_Averaged Averaged 2.494

Thanks for reminding me because i still need to do g25 for mum. My dad hasn't been tested at all. I think there is a fairly direct connection between Iceland and Ireland and Irish explored early Iceland way back in the day. In modern times, the cultures seem distant, so most people overlook the connection.

[Grace O'Malley]

Thanks for reminding me because i still need to do g25 for mum. My dad hasn't been tested at all. I think there is a fairly direct connection between Iceland and Ireland and Irish explored early Iceland way back in the day. In modern times, the cultures seem distant, so most people overlook the connection.

Well Iceland has more connections with Denmark but the settlements were started from the Norse-Gael colonies and Norway. I think when the Vikings lost their Gaelic-Norse kingdoms the connection to Ireland and Scotland was less. I think Icelanders do know that they have ancestry from Irish/Scots though obviously but most other people aren't aware of this until someone points it out. The only ancient Gaelic genomes we have at present are the two from Iceland.

[Coastal Elite]

Well Iceland has more connections with Denmark but the settlements were started from the Norse-Gael colonies and Norway. I think when the Vikings lost their Gaelic-Norse kingdoms the connection to Ireland and Scotland was less. I think Icelanders do know that they have ancestry from Irish/Scots though obviously but most other people aren't aware of this until someone points it out. The only ancient Gaelic genomes we have at present are the two from Iceland.

If only they had the Irish humor, then we would have not doubt of such a connection but they come across as so Scandinavian. Is there any connection as far as Y-DNA that you know?

[Grace O'Malley]

If only they had the Irish humor, then we would have not doubt of such a connection but they come across as so Scandinavian. Is there any connection as far as Y-DNA that you know?

Well they are not Irish culturally and yes they are very Scandinavian in every other way. English and Irish are more similar to each other than Icelanders which should not be surprising. Yes they have a reasonable amount of L21 but Western Norway has a bit of L21 also. This paper connects L21 with Gaelic slaves which I don't think tells the whole story. Not all the Gaels that came to Iceland were slaves and there is also a reasonable amount of L21 in Norway itself.

This is about those ancient samples.


Among R1b-L51 subclades (ten samples), there are U106 (at least one sample), L21 (three samples), and another P312 (L238); see above the relationship with those clustering closely with Gaelic samples, marked in fluorescent, which is compatible with Gaelic settlers (predominantly of R1b-L21 lineages) coming to Iceland as slaves.

https://indo-european.eu/2018/05/reproductive-success-among-ancient-icelanders-stratified-by-ancestry/

Anyway we have gone way OT so I hope that is OK? :) I think we need a lot more studies to look at this stuff.

Here's an image done by Eupedia so don't know how accurate it is. I only keep an eye on the M222 project at FTDNA.

https://i.redd.it/n0sqv89igrh21.jpg

[Lucas]

When it comes to these individuals that MyAncestryDNA claims people are related to, they are simply using genetic distance, as Grace said. So for example, Ancestry might claim I'm 96% closer to this French dude than other users but that is simply because French is a midpoint for me and this guy happens to be French.

Yep. I said it first few posts earlier:)
I'm glad that people here after being hypnotysed by MTA for many nonths at least wake up and started thinking.

[Grace O'Malley]

Yep. I said it first few posts earlier:)
I'm glad that people here after being hypnotysed by MTA for many nonths at least wake up and started thinking.

I was thinking of you as well. I know you have said this for a long time. I still enjoy the site but I know the deepdives are not to be taken seriously.

[Saint-Glinglin]

Jean-Paul Marat Revolutionary France

mtDNA Haplogroup: H2a2a1f
Y-DNA Haplogroup: Uncertain

Genetic Distance: 18.338
Sample Match! 68% closer than other users

Speaking of cutting heads, I'm much closer to one of the unknown sample from Le Mans :

Le Mans Revolutionary France

mtDNA Haplogroup: H79a
Y-DNA Haplogroup: Uncertain

Genetic Distance: 13.459
Sample Match! 96% closer than other users

[gixajo]

Jean-Paul Marat Revolutionary France

mtDNA Haplogroup: H2a2a1f
Y-DNA Haplogroup: Uncertain

Genetic Distance: 18.338
Sample Match! 68% closer than other users

Speaking of cutting heads, I'm much closer to one of the unknown sample from Le Mans :

Le Mans Revolutionary France

mtDNA Haplogroup: H79a
Y-DNA Haplogroup: Uncertain

Genetic Distance: 13.459
Sample Match! 96% closer than other users

Me too:

https://i.imgur.com/dyKWmNg.png

[Dick]

I doubt it has anything to do with a small amount of German ancestry. It looks to me like people get some of this spotlight dna if they come up in their top 50 etc. I get very close distances. All my top 100 matches are under 10 distance wise and even my outlier samples are between 12 and 13.35 genetic distance so all the spotlights I get are at a close distance.

I mean I get the Birka Sheild Maiden but I have no Swedish ancestry. Not even a small amount.


It's based on K15. I think it would better if they used K13.

[Ylla]

I understand how this works now, the genetic distances were always confusing me, so it's basically just for fun xD

[Pedro Ruben]

Jean-Paul Marat Revolutionary France
mtDNA Haplogroup: H2a2a1f
Y-DNA Haplogroup: Uncertain

Genetic Distance: 12.630
Sample Match! 97% closer than other users

Revolutionary France

Le Mans Revolutionary France
mtDNA Haplogroup: K1c1
Y-DNA Haplogroup: Uncertain

Genetic Distance: 20.896
Sample Match! 40% closer than other users

Le Mans Revolutionary France
mtDNA Haplogroup: H79a
Y-DNA Haplogroup: Uncertain

Genetic Distance: 13.876
Sample Match! 95% closer than other users

Le Mans Revolutionary France
mtDNA Haplogroup: H2c1
Y-DNA Haplogroup: Uncertain

Genetic Distance: 22.018
Sample Match! 78% closer than other users

[Gaditanian]

I understand how this works now, the genetic distances were always confusing me, so it's basically just for fun xD

This ;)