Campanian gedmatch results

[Samnium]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ayC5xAAdHcc

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 28.82
2 North_Atlantic 24
3 West_Med 21.58
4 West_Asian 13.19
5 Baltic 6.26
6 Red_Sea 5.77
7 Oceanian 0.39

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Italian_Abruzzo 3.6
2 West_Sicilian 4.02
3 Tuscan 7.2
4 South_Italian 7.21
5 East_Sicilian 7.29
6 Central_Greek 7.5
7 Ashkenazi 10.58
8 Greek_Thessaly 10.65
9 Sephardic_Jewish 11.41
10 Italian_Jewish 11.87
11 Algerian_Jewish 13.22
12 North_Italian 13.55
13 Tunisian_Jewish 16.2
14 Libyan_Jewish 16.93
15 Bulgarian 18.26
16 Romanian 19.44
17 Cyprian 20.43
18 Spanish_Extremadura 20.72
19 Portuguese 21.2
20 Spanish_Andalucia 21.4

Northern shifted sample (30% N.Atlantic and Baltic combined), 50km from Naples, Caserta province, so not all Campanians are "southern" outlying. I think it's because it's the north of Campania. I would say.

[Samnium]

MyHeritage results for what it's worth :

Italian 59,7%
Iberian 5,9%
Greek and South Italian 4,0%
North and West European 3,9%
Irish, Scottish and Welsh 1,7%
West Asia 16,0%
Middle East 8,8%

[Ethel]

There's a phenotypical/genetic contrast between Napoles/Salerno and the rest of Campania. The more inland you go, the less diverse it is, and more similar to Central Italy too.

[Samnium]

There's a phenotypical/genetic contrast between Napoles/Salerno and the rest of Campania. The more inland you go, the less diverse it is, and more similar to Central Italy too.

Yes I agree, and I've noticed that also in Calabria.

It's a trend that I had "forecast" many months ago.

[Ethel]

Yes I agree, and I've noticed that also in Calabria.

It's a trend that I had "forecast" many months ago.

There can also be sharp differences between neighboring towns even, this is true to the entire Italian Peninsula. The Po Valley alone has more genetic diversity than the whole Iberian peninsula or Poland.

[dududud]

Still high red sea and west asian...

[Samnium]

Still high red sea and west asian...

Of course, it's a southern italian result, I don't know if there are outliers with low East Med ancestry, maybe, but in all the tests that I've seen, that's not the case. Now I can be wrong.

But I definitely that there are outliers waiting us in Southern Italy, definitely. And surprises will come.

[dududud]

Of course, it's a southern italian result, I don't know if there are outliers with low East Med ancestry, maybe, but in all the tests that I've seen, that's not the case. Now I can be wrong.

But I definitely that there are outliers waiting us in Southern Italy, definitely. And surprises will come.

I'm waiting.

[Samnium]

There can also be sharp differences between neighboring towns even, this is true to the entire Italian Peninsula. The Po Valley alone has more genetic diversity than the whole Iberian peninsula or Poland.

I totally agree. There are areas with very strong endogamy by the way.

[Samnium]

I'm waiting.

I definitely think.

I had found a 10% East Anglia (autosomal result) result from a town at 10km of Mileto (city important for Normans), so they there are people that retained Middle Ages direct influence, that's pretty amazing for me. I think it can happens with everything in Italy.

[Ethel]

I totally agree. There are areas with very strong endogamy by the way.

Compare G25 Campania with Molise (closest reference we have to Inland Campania):




Distance to: Italian_Campania
[...]
0.06177458 Italian_Bergamo
0.06324453 Gagauz
0.06389680 Italian_Veneto
0.06495783 Druze
0.06614923 Moldavian
0.06745029 Lebanese_Druze
0.06858000 Greek_Thrace
0.06866184 Karaite_Egypt
0.06920785 Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige
0.06929048 Lebanese_Christian
0.06946075 Turkish_Istanbul
0.06973159 Lebanese_Muslim
0.07081205 Bulgarian
0.07289007 Italian_Northeast
0.07403433 Spanish_Menorca





Distance to: Italian_Molise
[...]
0.07850640 Spanish_Cantabria
0.07916513 French_Auvergne
0.07943761 Druze
0.08038290 Spanish_Navarra
0.08163817 Spanish_La_Rioja
0.08177723 Lebanese_Druze
0.08277973 Turkish_Kayseri
0.08312876 Lebanese_Muslim
0.08328238 Karaite_Egypt
0.08365783 Spanish_Asturias
0.08416284 French_Occitanie
0.08441969 Lebanese_Christian
0.08449424 Swiss_German
0.08587805 Turkish_Adana
0.08651392 French_Alsace

[Samnium]

Compare G25 Campania with Molise (closest reference we have to Inland Campania):




Distance to: Italian_Campania
[...]
0.06177458 Italian_Bergamo
0.06324453 Gagauz
0.06389680 Italian_Veneto
0.06495783 Druze
0.06614923 Moldavian
0.06745029 Lebanese_Druze
0.06858000 Greek_Thrace
0.06866184 Karaite_Egypt
0.06920785 Italian_Trentino-Alto-Adige
0.06929048 Lebanese_Christian
0.06946075 Turkish_Istanbul
0.06973159 Lebanese_Muslim
0.07081205 Bulgarian
0.07289007 Italian_Northeast
0.07403433 Spanish_Menorca





Distance to: Italian_Molise
[...]
0.07850640 Spanish_Cantabria
0.07916513 French_Auvergne
0.07943761 Druze
0.08038290 Spanish_Navarra
0.08163817 Spanish_La_Rioja
0.08177723 Lebanese_Druze
0.08277973 Turkish_Kayseri
0.08312876 Lebanese_Muslim
0.08328238 Karaite_Egypt
0.08365783 Spanish_Asturias
0.08416284 French_Occitanie
0.08441969 Lebanese_Christian
0.08449424 Swiss_German
0.08587805 Turkish_Adana
0.08651392 French_Alsace

Yes I know, Molise is the most "northern-shifted" region in Southern Italy (on average).

I'm really curious about Normans honestly, I know that Molisans can be modeled with a touch of Longobard (3%) I'm wondering that for some areas of Southern Italy but with Normans.

[Ethel]

Yes I know, Molise is the most "northern-shifted" region in Southern Italy (on average).

I'm really curious about Normans honestly, I know that Molisans can be modeled with a touch of Longobard (3%) I'm wondering that for some areas of Southern Italy but with Normans.

Shouldn't it be Abruzzo or Frosinone tho? Some G25 references are kinda eerie, especially Swiss_Italian and Piedmont ones. Truth be told some regions aren't homogenous enough to cluster into one reference, there are too much diversity within them, but Davidski prefers to divide Catalonia in ten thousand references instead :noidea:

[Samnium]

Shouldn't it be Abruzzo or Frosinone tho? Some G25 references are kinda eerie, especially Swiss_Italian and Piedmont ones. Truth be told some regions aren't homogenous enough to cluster into one reference, there are too much diversity within them, but Davidski prefers to divide Catalonia in ten thousand references instead :noidea:

Frosinone is Lazio but I think Frosinone would go with Molise. And Abruzzo is northern shifted but less than Molise. A counter-intuitive thing.

Apulians are at the north end of the cluster, and I've seen some of them clustering in Central Italy which is not the case for Molise. But they are definitely more diverse so on average it's still Molise.

[Ethel]

Frosinone is Lazio but I think Frosinone would go with Molise. And Abruzzo is northern shifted but less than Molise. A counter-intuitive thing.

Apulians are at the north end of the cluster, and I've seen some of them clustering in Central Italy which is not the case for Molise. But they are definitely more diverse so on average it's still Molise.

Frosinone is located in Lazio indeed, but like Abruzzo, it's considered "Southern Italian" because of its dialect and cultural aspects. Languages show us much more than political borders, you will notice that the genetic spectrum smoothly follows the dialectal continuum that exists from Calabria to Auvergne, with somewhat abrupt ruptures where the Apennines and the Alps are located (but still related).

https://i.redd.it/ke4t14ze4sq01.jpg

[Samnium]

Frosinone is located in Lazio indeed, but like Abruzzo, it's considered "Southern Italian" because of its dialect and cultural aspects. Languages show us much more than political borders, you will notice that the genetic spectrum smoothly follows the dialectal continuum that exists from Calabria to Auvergne, with somewhat abrupt ruptures where the Apennines and the Alps are located (but still related).

https://i.redd.it/ke4t14ze4sq01.jpg

The linguistical pattern match quite correctly genetical one I agree, it's something really interesting but it's related to the fact that communities speaking different dialects didn't inter-married with the other that were perceived as "different".

Yesterday my mother explained me that they (calabrians from Cosenza) couldn't really understand those from Reggio Calabria because they speak a dialect closer to Sicilians (like shown here)

[Ethel]

The linguistical pattern match quite correctly genetical one I agree, it's something really interesting but it's related to the fact that communities speaking different dialects didn't inter-married with the other that were perceived as "different".

Yesterday my mother explained me that they (calabrians from Cosenza) couldn't really understand those from Reggio Calabria because they speak a dialect closer to Sicilians (like shown here)

Reggio Calabria has more affinity with Messina, 1/8 of me comes from there and I still don't know exactly from which one they've come from, because there are two hotspots of my predecessor's surname in both places :lol: Thery're also basically the same genetically speaking, and probably the southeastern end of the entire Italian cluster. Cosenza though is more similar to Basilicata. Also I've read that they migrated between Island and Mainland (Reggio-Messina) after the famous Earthquake that happened years ago.

[Samnium]

Reggio Calabria has more affinity with Messina, 1/8 comes from there and I still don't know exactly from which one they've come from, because there are two hotspots of my predecessor's surname in both places :lol: Thery're also basically the same genetically speaking, and probably the southeastern end of the entire Italian cluster. Cosenza though is more similar to Basilicata. Also I've read that they migrated in between Island and Mainland (Reggio-Messina) after the famous Earthquake that happened years ago.

Only Northern Cosenza has ties with Basilicata. IMO Southern Cosenza is more something apart probably. Strong isolation and endogamy here. It's puzzling to see when you go even 200 years back in time to see that your ancestors married only people from the same village or a village nearby.

Genetically we can't say what Cosenza look like (atleast with proofs) I make only guess.

And yes the earthquakes made more similar Messina area to Reggio Calabria one.

[Voskos]

She only gets 4% Greek, that's interesting.

[Leto]

Are those super divergent dialects even a thing in the 21st century? I find it hard to believe, to be honest.

[Ion Basescul]

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 28.82
2 North_Atlantic 24
3 West_Med 21.58
4 West_Asian 13.19
5 Baltic 6.26
6 Red_Sea 5.77
7 Oceanian 0.39

Northern shifted sample (30% N.Atlantic and Baltic combined), 50km from Naples, Caserta province, so not all Campanians are "southern" outlying. I think it's because it's the north of Campania. I would say.

If most Campanians are more Southern than this, then it means that this particular sample is "northern" outlying, while the rest are within normal range.

[Samnium]

If most Campanians are more Southern than this, then it means that this particular sample is "northern" outlying, while the rest are within normal range.

Yes Campanians usually are much more southern shifted than that, -10/5% Steppe component. She's quite close to Central Italian averages (not Tuscan) but a bit southern shifted.

[Kenshiro]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ayC5xAAdHcc

# Population Percent
1 East_Med 28.82
2 North_Atlantic 24
3 West_Med 21.58
4 West_Asian 13.19
5 Baltic 6.26
6 Red_Sea 5.77
7 Oceanian 0.39

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Italian_Abruzzo 3.6
2 West_Sicilian 4.02
3 Tuscan 7.2
4 South_Italian 7.21
5 East_Sicilian 7.29
6 Central_Greek 7.5
7 Ashkenazi 10.58
8 Greek_Thessaly 10.65
9 Sephardic_Jewish 11.41
10 Italian_Jewish 11.87
11 Algerian_Jewish 13.22
12 North_Italian 13.55
13 Tunisian_Jewish 16.2
14 Libyan_Jewish 16.93
15 Bulgarian 18.26
16 Romanian 19.44
17 Cyprian 20.43
18 Spanish_Extremadura 20.72
19 Portuguese 21.2
20 Spanish_Andalucia 21.4

Northern shifted sample (30% N.Atlantic and Baltic combined), 50km from Naples, Caserta province, so not all Campanians are "southern" outlying. I think it's because it's the north of Campania. I would say.

Similar to me but with different results
19.65 Atlantic
11.17 Baltic
But i'm Apulian and not Campanian
Population Percent
1 East_Med 26.42
2 West_Med 23.64
3 North_Atlantic 19.65
4 West_Asian 15.83
5 Baltic 11.17
6 South_Asian 1.35
7 Amerindian 0.94
8 Sub-Saharan 0.81
9 Siberian 0.14
10 Oceanian 0.05

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Central_Greek 6.42
2 Italian_Abruzzo 6.65
3 Greek_Thessaly 7.4
4 West_Sicilian 7.78
5 East_Sicilian 8.12
6 South_Italian 8.64
7 Tuscan 10.1
8 Ashkenazi 11.99
9 Bulgarian 14.37
10 North_Italian 14.67
11 Italian_Jewish 15.73
12 Algerian_Jewish 15.79
13 Sephardic_Jewish 15.88
14 Romanian 16.23
15 Tunisian_Jewish 20.07
16 Serbian 20.51
17 Libyan_Jewish 20.62
18 Cyprian 21.11
19 Turkish 22.13
20 Spanish_Extremadura 22.86

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 90.8% Central_Greek + 9.2% French_Basque @ 5.08
2 87.8% Central_Greek + 12.2% Southwest_French @ 5.09
3 78.2% Central_Greek + 21.8% North_Italian @ 5.15
4 68.9% South_Italian + 31.1% Romanian @ 5.15
5 85.6% Central_Greek + 14.4% Spanish_Andalucia @ 5.17
6 66% South_Italian + 34% Bulgarian @ 5.17
7 86.1% Central_Greek + 13.9% Spanish_Valencia @ 5.17
8 86.4% Central_Greek + 13.6% Spanish_Cataluna @ 5.18
9 87.6% Central_Greek + 12.4% Spanish_Cantabria @ 5.19
10 82.1% South_Italian + 17.9% East_German @ 5.26
11 79% South_Italian + 21% Moldavian @ 5.27
12 87.2% Central_Greek + 12.8% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 5.29
13 88.4% Central_Greek + 11.6% Spanish_Aragon @ 5.3
14 80.9% South_Italian + 19.1% Croatian @ 5.32
15 81.1% South_Italian + 18.9% Austrian @ 5.38
16 80.4% South_Italian + 19.6% Hungarian @ 5.4
17 87% Central_Greek + 13% Spanish_Murcia @ 5.4
18 84.4% South_Italian + 15.6% Ukrainian @ 5.4
19 84.3% South_Italian + 15.7% South_Polish @ 5.41
20 86.6% Central_Greek + 13.4% Spanish_Extremadura @ 5.43