Y DNA of Bulgarians and Proto-Bulgarians

[Kmakkmak]

Proto-Bulgarians is Turkic people and most probably they have Y dna R1a, R1b, J2 and some branch of G2, Q1 and N1. We see modern bulgarians have E-V13(neolitic balkanic it came from nort africa) and I2a(Mesolitic European origin) This two linage(E-V13 and I2a) is not common in Turkic people.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bulgars

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bulgarians

[Kmakkmak]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_studies_on_Bulgarians

[Kmakkmak]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kubrat

[Kmakkmak]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pereshchepina_Treasure

[Cumansky]

Ofcourse is not (I2, E-V13) Turkic haplogroup, but we got awarded Tatianas as a gift from the Khan, and then we got assimilated more than anyone into Bulgarian dynasty

My paternal Y-DNA peaks in Pella Greece, research who is from Pella Greece

[JohnnyP]

https://i.imgur.com/ZMwNAfJ.jpg

[Daos777]

That's because Bulgarians are only "Bulgars" in name. Very little Turkic dna. Same with Turkish people. They are mostly non-turkic Anatolians with some Turkic dna

[Cumansky]

That's because Bulgarians are only "Bulgars" in name. Very little Turkic dna. Same with Turkish people. They are mostly non-turkic Anatolians with some Turkic dna

Slavic is only language

[Daos777]

Slavic is only language

Yeah its all about autosomal dna

[Kmakkmak]

I do not find information of elite of bulgarians such as Kubrat Dulo Asen ruling house?

[Cumansky]

Yeah its all about autosomal dna, with Global25

Fixed ^

[Kmakkmak]

Slavic is only language

You are I2a?

[Cumansky]

You are I2a?

In my Father line yes, also E, N, R1 in other 3 grandparent lines

[Kmakkmak]

In my Father line yes, also E, N, R1 in other 3 grandparent lines

Your name is Turkic. Do you speak Turkish?

[Cumansky]

Your name is Turkic. Do you speak Turkish?

I don't understand, but I understand Pashtun

[Cumansky]

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[PAGANE]

Would you cite a study of Y-DNA from old bones from the 7-9th century, which has been proven pro-Bulgarian archeologically, on the basis of which you make all these speculations even in terms of origin.?

[Abriekman]

Interesting how Bulgar genetically are modern Bulgarians

[Lioncourt]

Interesting how Bulgar genetically are modern Bulgarians

Soon we'll know the answer. 25-30% is quite possible. My bet is Bulgars had Baltic and West Asian as main components.

[Abriekman]

Soon we'll know the answer. 25-30% is quite possible. My bet is Bulgars had Baltic and West Asian as main components.

How do your know we will know answer soon?

[Lioncourt]

How do your know we will know answer soon?

There is study currently taking place. Other Bulgarians who are more interested in genetics can give you more info probably.

[Leto]

25-30% is quite possible. My bet is Bulgars had Baltic and West Asian as main components.
25-30% while hovering around barely 1% Mongoloid on average? Chuvash people are 22-27% East Eurasian depending on the person (I made the average for Dodecad, so I know precisely).

[Lioncourt]

25-30% while hovering around barely 1% Mongoloid on average? Chuvash people are 22-27% East Eurasian depending on the person (I made the average for Dodecad, so I know precisely).

There are no hard proves that Bulgars were heavily Mongoloid, at least not these who fought the Byzantine and established Bulgaria. I have seen only 1 sample tested. Bulgars later in Volga Bulgaria on place of today's Tatarstan definitely were more Mongoloid due to mixing with local tribes.

[Leto]

There are no hard proves that Bulgars were heavily Mongoloid, at least not these who fought the Byzantine and established Bulgaria. I have seen only 1 sample tested. Bulgars later in Volga Bulgaria on place of today's Tatarstan definitely were more Mongoloid due to mixing with local tribes.
Well, I didn't say 'heavily'. But hypothetically speaking if they were ca. 20% Mongoloid, kinda like modern Volga Tatars, being 25% Old Bulgar would mean ca. 5% Mongoloid and that is almost never found in ethnic Bulgarians. I can't really imagine them being 90-100% European being originally from the Azov-Caspian Steppe. However I may not know something, that's for sure.

[Lioncourt]

Well, I didn't say 'heavily'. But hypothetically speaking if they were ca. 20% Mongoloid, kinda like modern Volga Tatars, being 25% Old Bulgar would mean ca. 5% Mongoloid and that is almost never found in ethnic Bulgarians. I can't really imagine them being 90-100% European being originally from the Azov-Caspian Steppe. However I may not know something, that's for sure.

10% Siberian + East Asian is my bet. But this is gambling without firm evidence. Still this doesn't mean modern Bulgarians should be 2.5%. Inheritence is much more complicated than simple math.