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Kaspias
03-17-2020, 04:07 PM
I just wanted to let you now that all GreeceNE samples are actually from Thrace. (from Eastern Macedonia to the Eastern Thrace) They are used as Thessaly, Peloponnese there just because they seemed one Eastern shifted.

SharpFork
03-17-2020, 04:14 PM
I'm not sure what you mean exactly, what samples exactly are from Thrace? Greek_Thrace seems very weird itself.

Kaspias
03-17-2020, 04:54 PM
I'm not sure what you mean exactly, what samples exactly are from Thrace? Greek_Thrace seems very weird itself.

These all are various samples from Eastern Macedonia to Eastern Thrace:


Greek_Central_Macedonia:GreeceNE11,0.125205,0.1431 9,0.018102,-0.010013,0.021235,-0.00251,0.004465,0.002769,-0.004295,0.01057,0.002598,3e-04,-0.002379,0.006606,-0.012079,-0.001326,0.008605,0.00114,0.010182,-0.007128,-0.008735,0.001731,0.001602,0.000843,0.005149
Greek_Central_Macedonia:GreeceNE34,0.121791,0.1452 21,0.020742,-0.007429,0.026159,-0.000558,-0.000235,-0.004154,0.006136,0.005103,0,-0.002398,0.003122,0.004129,-0.009365,0.01432,0.026077,-0.004941,0.005028,-0.003126,-0.00861,-0.004451,0.005793,0.007471,-0.008502
Greek_Central_Macedonia:GreeceNE59,0.120652,0.1391 28,0.014708,-0.007106,0.015387,-0.008088,0.00282,0.000692,0.007567,0.010205,0.0058 46,0.00015,0.009217,0.011147,-0.010858,0.007292,0.001304,-0.002154,-0.002388,-0.010505,-0.012728,-0.005193,0.006286,0.005543,0.003113
Greek_Central_Macedonia:GreeceNE8,0.121791,0.14115 9,0.024513,-0.008075,0.021235,0.003626,0.002585,0.002308,-0.00225,0.008747,0.00747,-3e-04,0.001487,0.005643,-0.013029,0.008486,0.019297,0.000253,0.002388,-0.005002,-0.002496,0.005564,0.001725,0.000482,-0.000718
Greek_Peloponnese:GreeceNE209,0.118376,0.142174,0. 009805,-0.036176,0.022466,-0.010598,0.000705,-0.004846,0.002454,0.02041,0.001786,0.002698,-0.004311,0.01101,-0.02443,-0.005304,0.009388,0.002154,0.013324,-0.004752,-0.011355,0.001855,0.000246,-0.004217,-0.007903
Greek_Peloponnese:GreeceNE231,0.118376,0.150298,0. 00264,-0.031008,0.01231,-0.011992,0.001175,-0.000923,-0.001636,0.017677,-0.002761,0.006594,-0.008771,-0.004129,-0.015336,0.012463,0.018384,0.000633,0.005908,0.003 252,-0.010606,0.005564,-0.000739,0.001687,-0.00467
Greek_Peloponnese:GreeceNE252,0.118376,0.139128,-0.001131,-0.030362,0.012925,-0.008646,0.003055,0.003,-0.002045,0.016219,0.001299,0.002548,-0.004608,0.004266,-0.009365,0,0.012517,-0.001774,0.008296,-0.000625,-0.005865,0.004575,0.004683,0.002169,0.002395
Greek_Thessaly:GreeceNE126,0.117238,0.146236,0.012 068,-0.019703,0.016003,-0.005578,-0.00094,-0.003231,-0.000409,0.019681,-0.001786,0.005545,-0.006987,0.005643,-0.011808,0.001061,0.008736,-0.001014,0.005531,-0.003377,-0.007112,-0.004575,0.000493,0.001325,-0.003832
Greek_Thessaly:GreeceNE144,0.117238,0.145221,0.013 953,-0.01938,0.018773,-0.003626,-0.00047,0.003692,-0.000205,0.018588,0.005359,0.004046,-0.006244,0.004954,-0.007465,-0.01432,-0.007171,0.000507,-0.000754,-0.004252,-0.006364,0.005564,0.006902,0.000241,-0.002994
Greek_Thessaly:GreeceNE162,0.122929,0.144205,0.015 085,-0.020995,0.02185,-0.006136,0.003055,0.001846,0.000614,0.018041,0.004 384,0.002698,-0.008622,0.006468,-0.008007,0.000663,0.004824,-0.00114,0.007668,-0.008379,-0.007487,0.002844,0.003328,0.002651,-0.003233

Thessaly should be Western Thrace and Pelop. should be Eastern Thrace according to logic. Greek_Thrace sample is far from being representative.

SharpFork
03-17-2020, 05:23 PM
These all are various samples from Eastern Macedonia to Eastern Thrace:

Thessaly should be Western Thrace and Pelop. should be Eastern Thrace according to logic. Greek_Thrace sample is far from being representative.
Why do you think that?

Greek_Thrace is likely contaminated or something weird happened to it, it is unlike any population and can't be modeled as well as others.

Rocinante
03-17-2020, 05:33 PM
These all are various samples from Eastern Macedonia to Eastern Thrace:


Greek_Central_Macedonia:GreeceNE11,0.125205,0.1431 9,0.018102,-0.010013,0.021235,-0.00251,0.004465,0.002769,-0.004295,0.01057,0.002598,3e-04,-0.002379,0.006606,-0.012079,-0.001326,0.008605,0.00114,0.010182,-0.007128,-0.008735,0.001731,0.001602,0.000843,0.005149
Greek_Central_Macedonia:GreeceNE34,0.121791,0.1452 21,0.020742,-0.007429,0.026159,-0.000558,-0.000235,-0.004154,0.006136,0.005103,0,-0.002398,0.003122,0.004129,-0.009365,0.01432,0.026077,-0.004941,0.005028,-0.003126,-0.00861,-0.004451,0.005793,0.007471,-0.008502
Greek_Central_Macedonia:GreeceNE59,0.120652,0.1391 28,0.014708,-0.007106,0.015387,-0.008088,0.00282,0.000692,0.007567,0.010205,0.0058 46,0.00015,0.009217,0.011147,-0.010858,0.007292,0.001304,-0.002154,-0.002388,-0.010505,-0.012728,-0.005193,0.006286,0.005543,0.003113
Greek_Central_Macedonia:GreeceNE8,0.121791,0.14115 9,0.024513,-0.008075,0.021235,0.003626,0.002585,0.002308,-0.00225,0.008747,0.00747,-3e-04,0.001487,0.005643,-0.013029,0.008486,0.019297,0.000253,0.002388,-0.005002,-0.002496,0.005564,0.001725,0.000482,-0.000718
Greek_Peloponnese:GreeceNE209,0.118376,0.142174,0. 009805,-0.036176,0.022466,-0.010598,0.000705,-0.004846,0.002454,0.02041,0.001786,0.002698,-0.004311,0.01101,-0.02443,-0.005304,0.009388,0.002154,0.013324,-0.004752,-0.011355,0.001855,0.000246,-0.004217,-0.007903
Greek_Peloponnese:GreeceNE231,0.118376,0.150298,0. 00264,-0.031008,0.01231,-0.011992,0.001175,-0.000923,-0.001636,0.017677,-0.002761,0.006594,-0.008771,-0.004129,-0.015336,0.012463,0.018384,0.000633,0.005908,0.003 252,-0.010606,0.005564,-0.000739,0.001687,-0.00467
Greek_Peloponnese:GreeceNE252,0.118376,0.139128,-0.001131,-0.030362,0.012925,-0.008646,0.003055,0.003,-0.002045,0.016219,0.001299,0.002548,-0.004608,0.004266,-0.009365,0,0.012517,-0.001774,0.008296,-0.000625,-0.005865,0.004575,0.004683,0.002169,0.002395
Greek_Thessaly:GreeceNE126,0.117238,0.146236,0.012 068,-0.019703,0.016003,-0.005578,-0.00094,-0.003231,-0.000409,0.019681,-0.001786,0.005545,-0.006987,0.005643,-0.011808,0.001061,0.008736,-0.001014,0.005531,-0.003377,-0.007112,-0.004575,0.000493,0.001325,-0.003832
Greek_Thessaly:GreeceNE144,0.117238,0.145221,0.013 953,-0.01938,0.018773,-0.003626,-0.00047,0.003692,-0.000205,0.018588,0.005359,0.004046,-0.006244,0.004954,-0.007465,-0.01432,-0.007171,0.000507,-0.000754,-0.004252,-0.006364,0.005564,0.006902,0.000241,-0.002994
Greek_Thessaly:GreeceNE162,0.122929,0.144205,0.015 085,-0.020995,0.02185,-0.006136,0.003055,0.001846,0.000614,0.018041,0.004 384,0.002698,-0.008622,0.006468,-0.008007,0.000663,0.004824,-0.00114,0.007668,-0.008379,-0.007487,0.002844,0.003328,0.002651,-0.003233

Thessaly should be Western Thrace and Pelop. should be Eastern Thrace according to logic. Greek_Thrace sample is far from being representative.

Target: Greek_Thessaly:GreeceNE162
Distance: 2.3801% / 0.02380075
55.4 Anatolian_Farmer
32.4 Yamnaya
6.4 Hajji_Firuz_Tepe
3.0 Scandinavian_Hunter_Gatherer
2.0 Kura_Araxes
0.6 Natufian
0.2 Western_Hunter_Gatherer

Target: Greek_Thessaly:GreeceNE144
Distance: 3.2025% / 0.03202473
49.8 Anatolian_Farmer
30.8 Yamnaya
11.4 Kura_Araxes
4.4 Natufian
2.6 Scandinavian_Hunter_Gatherer
1.0 Western_Hunter_Gatherer

Target: Greek_Thessaly:GreeceNE126
Distance: 2.0500% / 0.02049992
55.0 Anatolian_Farmer
29.4 Yamnaya
8.2 Kura_Araxes
3.8 Scandinavian_Hunter_Gatherer
2.4 Ganj_Dareh_N
1.0 Natufian
0.2 Iberomaurusian

Target: Greek_Peloponnese:GreeceNE252
Distance: 2.0963% / 0.02096308
46.2 Anatolian_Farmer
28.0 Yamnaya
13.8 Hajji_Firuz_Tepe
4.8 Pre_Pottery_Neolithic_B
4.4 Kura_Araxes
1.4 Scandinavian_Hunter_Gatherer
0.6 Shahr_e_Sukhteh
0.4 Devils_Gate_Cave_N
0.4 Western_Hunter_Gatherer

Target: Greek_Peloponnese:GreeceNE231
Distance: 2.0305% / 0.02030504
52.8 Anatolian_Farmer
29.6 Yamnaya
12.2 Hajji_Firuz_Tepe
2.8 Pre_Pottery_Neolithic_B
1.6 Ganj_Dareh_N
1.0 Scandinavian_Hunter_Gatherer

Target: Greek_Peloponnese:GreeceNE209
Distance: 2.7233% / 0.02723316
56.4 Anatolian_Farmer
16.2 Kura_Araxes
13.8 Yamnaya
6.4 Karelia_Hunter_Gatherer
3.0 Scandinavian_Hunter_Gatherer
2.0 Pre_Pottery_Neolithic_B
1.4 Hajji_Firuz_Tepe
0.8 Devils_Gate_Cave_N

Target: Greek_Central_Macedonia:GreeceNE8
Distance: 2.8426% / 0.02842590
48.0 Anatolian_Farmer
33.0 Yamnaya
8.2 Hajji_Firuz_Tepe
8.0 Scandinavian_Hunter_Gatherer
2.8 Pre_Pottery_Neolithic_B

Target: Greek_Central_Macedonia:GreeceNE59
Distance: 3.6718% / 0.03671795
49.4 Anatolian_Farmer
33.6 Yamnaya
7.4 Natufian
4.0 Ganj_Dareh_N
3.8 Karelia_Hunter_Gatherer
1.8 Scandinavian_Hunter_Gatherer

Target: Greek_Central_Macedonia:GreeceNE34
Distance: 3.3982% / 0.03398213
45.2 Anatolian_Farmer
38.6 Yamnaya
11.4 Pre_Pottery_Neolithic_B
4.8 Scandinavian_Hunter_Gatherer

Target: Greek_Central_Macedonia:GreeceNE11
Distance: 2.8217% / 0.02821685
51.6 Anatolian_Farmer
34.0 Yamnaya
9.2 Hajji_Firuz_Tepe
5.2 Scandinavian_Hunter_Gatherer

Modeled with this:


Anatolian_Farmer,0.1175998,0.180118,0.0035312,-0.101158,0.0510443,-0.0483875,-0.0043582,-0.0069334,0.0362287,0.0807473,0.0079718,0.0118803,-0.0234545,0.0004691,-0.0419807,-0.0101913,0.0233091,0.0019866,0.0136954,-0.0097489,-0.0142249,0.0057723,-0.0041232,-0.0031658,-0.0043437
Lapa_Do_Santo,0.050765,-0.3095332,0.1206032,0.098515,-0.1156522,-0.017626,-0.284645,-0.3400012,-0.0136212,-0.0184422,0.002241,-0.003267,0.0004162,0.017478,-0.0065688,0.0064438,0.006493,-0.001267,0.0026898,0.003727,-0.0010482,0.007963,-0.002662,-0.0043378,0.001413
Gambian,-0.6064875,0.0671942,0.0197362,0.0114665,0.0021028, 0.0055777,-0.0358392,0.0387677,-0.0317353,0.0241463,0.0054132,-0.0036467,0.0162287,-0.0009865,0.011016,-0.0153362,0.009692,-0.0011823,-0.002116,-0.0032307,-0.001643,-0.0018137,0.0043958,-0.0001005,0.001377
Ganj_Dareh_N,0.0430252,0.0664158,-0.1550722,0.0047158,-0.122669,0.0235384,0.017109,-0.0011998,-0.082546,-0.0544158,-0.0028258,-0.0016186,0.0044896,-0.0062756,0.0316498,0.0561384,-0.0054242,0.0068664,0.0136508,-0.0334162,0.00856,-0.028836,-0.0110678,-0.039331,0.0222254
Shahr_e_Sukhteh,0.033009,-0.081242,-0.184789,0.125325,-0.09848,0.06777,0.002585,0.007615,0.03661,0.02606,-0.002273,0.010041,-0.005798,0.006744,0.004479,0.001326,0.008605,0.001 267,0.00352,0.001376,0.003743,-0.004946,-0.00037,-0.00253,-0.007305
Jarawa,-0.0219821,-0.2430289,-0.1324164,0.0986968,0.0323713,-0.0045841,-0.01012,0.0065044,0.0546974,0.0238044,0.0228054,0. 0027349,-0.0041532,0.0103562,-0.0108067,-0.0114441,0.0094529,-0.0019082,-0.0062221,0.0286778,-0.0046401,0.0111366,-0.0123402,0.0022668,0.0049844
Kura_Araxes,0.1013025,0.133034,-0.07071,-0.043605,-0.0498555,-0.0092035,0.008108,-0.011653,-0.066368,-0.01631,0.0030855,0.011015,-0.019846,0.005849,0.0042075,-0.0102095,-0.0001305,-0.003927,-0.001697,0.0032515,0.003494,-0.000247,-0.0036975,-0.0090975,-0.0030535
Pre_Pottery_Neolithic_B,0.072847,0.1639064,-0.0316026,-0.1361132,0.0332986,-0.0645352,-0.0134426,-0.0147684,0.0741604,0.03601,0.0188046,-0.0150764,0.035738,0.0025596,-0.0217696,0.006099,0.0098048,-0.0013176,-0.0047264,0.0188088,-0.001797,0.0071472,0.0008872,-0.0056874,-0.0037602
Iberomaurusian,-0.189857,0.0814452,-0.0242866,-0.085595,0.027636,-0.0552202,-0.0705968,0.0184146,0.155397,0.003499,0.0209156,-0.0318316,0.0747168,-0.0513334,0.0711988,-0.0363032,0.0052676,-0.066106,-0.1424162,0.0389938,-0.0376836,-0.1255322,0.0730118,-0.0137606,0.0164534
Nganassan,0.0476917,-0.4066181,0.1557885,0.0023902,-0.1594452,-0.0882129,0.0285066,0.0433367,0.0310876,0.0128477, 0.1028569,0.0094115,-0.0040734,-0.0261619,-0.0219731,-0.0123307,-0.0010952,0.0134165,0.0268365,-0.0008505,0.0431363,-0.0118954,0.0336096,0.0003977,0.0135556
Western_Hunter_Gatherer,0.1246365,0.116278,0.18478 9,0.189279,0.1546445,0.0464355,0.0131605,0.0372675 ,0.0890705,0.017768,-0.0153455,-0.015811,0.0159065,-0.0030275,0.053338,0.0582065,0.00502,0.016343,-0.0093015,0.055589,0.0944585,0.0111905,-0.049607,-0.160866,0.0170045
Yamnaya,0.1259169,0.0887318,0.0428032,0.1164425,-0.028236,0.045529,0.0036719,-0.002279,-0.0558095,-0.0715732,0.0009742,-0.0003934,-0.0019885,-0.025529,0.0362032,0.0160764,-0.0005869,-0.0012038,-0.0038966,0.0149446,-0.0022928,6.19e-05,0.0112925,0.0189332,-0.0039516
Yoruba,-0.6300625,0.0625011,0.022113,0.0167079,0.0005035,0 .0124741,-0.044417,0.0477673,-0.0488813,0.0327694,0.0046205,0.0007904,0.0230561, 0.0009509,0.0125232,-0.0096067,0.0070763,0.0004491,0.006022,-0.00299,0.0015542,0.0023156,-0.0017592,-0.0004711,-0.0004246
Hajji_Firuz_Tepe,0.0896355,0.1327805 ,-0.0780642,-0.0667802,-0.0437002,-0.0196618,0.0098702,-0.0065768,-0.035178,-0.0030977,0.0051965,-0.0013113,-0.0006317,-0.0019613,-0.0046145,0.0036128,0.00088,0.0022802,0.0032995,-0.0063468,0.0045232,-0.0033388,-0.00835,-0.0118992,0.0006588
Kolyma_Meso,0.046667,-0.344264,0.090509,0.045543,-0.08063,-0.023148,-0.048882,-0.053075,-0.007363,-0.025149,0.006983,-0.007343,0.014717,-0.025598,-0.020901,-0.003315,0.00339,0.008868,0.016592,0.01038,0.00274 5,-0.022752,0.010723,0.009037,0.011855
Devils_Gate_Cave_N,0.0227646,-0.4480516,0.0728598,-0.052972,-0.0414846,-0.0407738,0.005264,0.011215,0.0075266,0.021431,-0.0507624,-0.005665,0.0027948,0.0100466,-0.0100162,-0.0120658,-0.0043026,0.0060558,0.0153102,0.0099798,0.0104566,-0.0287366,-0.0196458,-0.0016628,-0.0099152
Papuan,-0.0459844,-0.2410866,-0.2637584,0.3092414,0.2069308,-0.509589,-0.001974,0.0070152,-0.041273,-0.0119546,-0.018902,0.000869,0.0013974,-0.00311,0.0001628,-0.0003186,-0.0021906,-0.0018498,-0.001081,-0.0015256,0.0023458,0.0018052,0.0012324,0.0018314, 0.0016048
Natufian,0.025041,0.151314,-0.035072,-0.144705,0.033545,-0.081157,-0.032196,-0.008769,0.127418,0.013668,0.037187,-0.027575,0.086818,0.001789,0.010722,-0.007955,-0.020601,-0.008995,-0.021494,0.038018,0.007237,0.00507,0.005916,0.0030 12,0.00491
Caucasus_Hunter_Gatherer,0.091058,0.102568,-0.083344,-0.00323,-0.08617,0.020638,0.024911,-0.001846,-0.128236,-0.074717,-0.006333,0.023979,-0.054856,0.004404,0.026601,-0.03275,0.02386,-0.013429,-0.022249,0.034767,0.033815,-0.007048,0.006532,-0.025787,-0.002036
Karelia_Hunter_Gatherer,0.1236877,0.0321583,0.1298 55,0.2101663,-0.010361,0.0571723,-0.0196627,-0.0234603,-0.002659,-0.0860153,0.0182957,-0.0184337,0.0333497,-0.039085,0.018865,0.0295237,-0.0148203,0.0031673,-0.0044413,0.012506,-0.007487,0.0169817,0.0093667,-0.021007,-0.0103383
Scandinavian_Hunter_Gatherer,0.1336282,0.0930224,0 .1688746,0.1924444,0.0858622,0.0573958,0.0004702,0 .0113534,0.0371414,-0.0417686,0.0005844,-0.0192728,0.0332406,-0.015634,0.031107,0.0482892,0.0039376,0.002914,-0.0052792,0.0391688,0.0505858,0.0146652,-0.0218642,-0.0969536,0.0053168

Hope this helps.

Kaspias
03-17-2020, 05:35 PM
Why do you think that?



Last year I asked Davidski the samples he used for Greek_Thessaly in Eurogenes K13. He sent, then I found the article he took these samples from, but couldn't find information on where they are from. (supposed to be Thessaly) Then asked Davidski "there is no information about them, why you named it as Thessaly? he replied Thessaly is the middle point.

Then I followed the author of the article on Twitter. Asked her where samples are actually from, she said samples were from North of Thessaloniki, we separated the outliers(Pontians) and these were remnants. These samples were labeled as GreeceNE.

xripkan
03-17-2020, 05:47 PM
Target: Greek_Thessaly:GreeceNE162
Distance: 2.3801% / 0.02380075
55.4 Anatolian_Farmer
32.4 Yamnaya
6.4 Hajji_Firuz_Tepe
3.0 Scandinavian_Hunter_Gatherer
2.0 Kura_Araxes
0.6 Natufian
0.2 Western_Hunter_Gatherer

Target: Greek_Thessaly:GreeceNE144
Distance: 3.2025% / 0.03202473
49.8 Anatolian_Farmer
30.8 Yamnaya
11.4 Kura_Araxes
4.4 Natufian
2.6 Scandinavian_Hunter_Gatherer
1.0 Western_Hunter_Gatherer

Target: Greek_Thessaly:GreeceNE126
Distance: 2.0500% / 0.02049992
55.0 Anatolian_Farmer
29.4 Yamnaya
8.2 Kura_Araxes
3.8 Scandinavian_Hunter_Gatherer
2.4 Ganj_Dareh_N
1.0 Natufian
0.2 Iberomaurusian

Target: Greek_Peloponnese:GreeceNE252
Distance: 2.0963% / 0.02096308
46.2 Anatolian_Farmer
28.0 Yamnaya
13.8 Hajji_Firuz_Tepe
4.8 Pre_Pottery_Neolithic_B
4.4 Kura_Araxes
1.4 Scandinavian_Hunter_Gatherer
0.6 Shahr_e_Sukhteh
0.4 Devils_Gate_Cave_N
0.4 Western_Hunter_Gatherer

Target: Greek_Peloponnese:GreeceNE231
Distance: 2.0305% / 0.02030504
52.8 Anatolian_Farmer
29.6 Yamnaya
12.2 Hajji_Firuz_Tepe
2.8 Pre_Pottery_Neolithic_B
1.6 Ganj_Dareh_N
1.0 Scandinavian_Hunter_Gatherer

Target: Greek_Peloponnese:GreeceNE209
Distance: 2.7233% / 0.02723316
56.4 Anatolian_Farmer
16.2 Kura_Araxes
13.8 Yamnaya
6.4 Karelia_Hunter_Gatherer
3.0 Scandinavian_Hunter_Gatherer
2.0 Pre_Pottery_Neolithic_B
1.4 Hajji_Firuz_Tepe
0.8 Devils_Gate_Cave_N

Target: Greek_Central_Macedonia:GreeceNE8
Distance: 2.8426% / 0.02842590
48.0 Anatolian_Farmer
33.0 Yamnaya
8.2 Hajji_Firuz_Tepe
8.0 Scandinavian_Hunter_Gatherer
2.8 Pre_Pottery_Neolithic_B

Target: Greek_Central_Macedonia:GreeceNE59
Distance: 3.6718% / 0.03671795
49.4 Anatolian_Farmer
33.6 Yamnaya
7.4 Natufian
4.0 Ganj_Dareh_N
3.8 Karelia_Hunter_Gatherer
1.8 Scandinavian_Hunter_Gatherer

Target: Greek_Central_Macedonia:GreeceNE34
Distance: 3.3982% / 0.03398213
45.2 Anatolian_Farmer
38.6 Yamnaya
11.4 Pre_Pottery_Neolithic_B
4.8 Scandinavian_Hunter_Gatherer

Target: Greek_Central_Macedonia:GreeceNE11
Distance: 2.8217% / 0.02821685
51.6 Anatolian_Farmer
34.0 Yamnaya
9.2 Hajji_Firuz_Tepe
5.2 Scandinavian_Hunter_Gatherer

Modeled with this:


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Hope this helps.

Why do they score Scandinavian HG? It is due to Slavic admixture?

Rocinante
03-17-2020, 05:52 PM
Why do they score Scandinavian HG? It is due to Slavic admixture?

Baltic. Scandinavian HG peaks on latvians, and seems to be that some greeks have baltic admixture on them.

SharpFork
03-17-2020, 06:00 PM
Last year I asked Davidski the samples he used for Greek_Thessaly in Eurogenes K13. He sent, then I found the article he took these samples from, but couldn't find information on where they are from. (supposed to be Thessaly) Then asked Davidski "there is no information about them, why you named it as Thessaly? he replied Thessaly is the middle point.

Then I followed the author of the article on Twitter. Asked her where samples are actually from, she said samples were from North of Thessaloniki, we separated the outliers(Pontians) and these were remnants. These samples were labeled as GreeceNE.
You should probably notify Davidski then. In any case this means we have no modern sample from peninsular Greece?

Bosniensis
03-17-2020, 06:08 PM
There is nothing Greek about "Thrace"

Greek never owned Thrace FFS

It's called Thrace because it isn't Greek territory.

Kaspias
03-17-2020, 06:13 PM
You should probably notify Davidski then. In any case this means we have no modern sample from peninsular Greece?

I notified him last year about GreeceNE samples.

Dorian
03-17-2020, 06:13 PM
polack still hasn't got mycenaean cock out of his ass..can't expect better

SharpFork
03-17-2020, 06:16 PM
polack still hasn't got mycenaean cock out of his ass..can't expect better

What do you mean?

Bestworld
03-17-2020, 06:16 PM
The Greek_Thrace sample is a friends father's results.He asked Davidski to put it on G25 greek samples.It is bulgarian like and i am not sure if its very accurate for Thracians since i haven't much seen many samples or gedmatches from them.

SharpFork
03-17-2020, 06:19 PM
The Greek_Thrace sample is a friends father's results.He asked Davidski to put it on G25 greek samples.It is bulgarian like and i am not sure if its very accurate for Thracians since i haven't much seen many samples or gedmatches from them.
It's not really Bulgarian like, it has a lot of Iranian neo, a ridiculous amount of WHG for a Greek and very low Steppe and trying to model it with other southern European nations leaves us with the worst fit of all.

Kaspias
03-17-2020, 06:20 PM
polack still hasn't got mycenaean cock out of his ass..can't expect better

It is not his fault actually, there were some people who reallocated Greek samples according to where they plot without knowing where they are from, I don't know who are they though.


The Greek_Thrace sample is a friends father's results.He asked Davidski to put it on G25 greek samples.It is bulgarian like and i am not sure if its very accurate for Thracians since i haven't much seen many samples or gedmatches from them.

I know who is he, and his father. In terms of Eurogenes K13, he is like typical Thracian Greek but something is broken in G25. Perhaps about raw data.

Bosniensis
03-17-2020, 06:20 PM
polack still hasn't got mycenaean cock out of his ass..can't expect better

Greek Thrace ...

HAHHAHAHAHAHAHHA

Dorian, Translate mi this Thracian: Rolisteneas Nerenea tiltean ēsko aras zea domean Tilezupta miē era zēlta.

Is it Ancient Greek?

I doubt

One day Greeks will beg balkaners to take Thrace only...

https://enacademic.com/pictures/enwiki/84/Tracian_state.png

https://wiki.totalwar.com/images/thumb/b/b7/TWRII_Pirates_Odrysian_Kingdom.jpg/700px-TWRII_Pirates_Odrysian_Kingdom.jpg

Dorian
03-17-2020, 06:24 PM
What do you mean?

I meant..what's the logic of middle point if not being dishonest on purpose?either not include it or give a different name..but ok I might was quick to blame.

Faklon
03-17-2020, 06:29 PM
Dorian, Translate mi this Thracian: Rolisteneas Nerenea tiltean ēsko aras zea domean Tilezupta miē era zēlta.


Identical to modern Greek:

O Rolisteneas tin evgale eksw ston Nereneas ara ta zea damazan tileputsa mia mera me zesta.

Rolisteneas showed his dick to Nereneas and the junkies were taming teledick one hot day.

SharpFork
03-17-2020, 06:30 PM
On what basis were the North East samples subdivided? Is the subdivision also solely work of Davidsky suppositions?

Kaspias
03-17-2020, 06:36 PM
On what basis were the North East samples subdivided? Is the subdivision also solely work of Davidsky suppositions?

Davidski has nothing to do with rearranging. Some member-s of Anthrogenica rearranged it regarding where they plot. Davidski just edited the datasheet.

Bestworld
03-17-2020, 06:51 PM
It's not really Bulgarian like, it has a lot of Iranian neo, a ridiculous amount of WHG for a Greek and very low Steppe and trying to model it with other southern European nations leaves us with the worst fit of all.

Thracians score caucasus/west asia.His steppe and WHG are very high for a Greek coming from modern Bulgaria.He actually plots with modern Gagauz on every fucking calucator.

Bestworld
03-17-2020, 06:52 PM
It is not his fault actually, there were some people who reallocated Greek samples according to where they plot without knowing where they are from, I don't know who are they though.



I know who is he, and his father. In terms of Eurogenes K13, he is like typical Thracian Greek but something is broken in G25. Perhaps about raw data.

He actually score some east asian.What you think?Gagauz or proto-bulgar?

Kaspias
03-17-2020, 07:15 PM
He actually score some east asian.What you think?Gagauz or proto-bulgar?

Well I don't believe it is from Gagauz considering Gagauz themselves don't score much East Eurasian. The person he matched in Y-12, Faik Yılmaz, is a Bulgarian Turk from Kardzhali. If we really are going to find a source for Turkic input it should be Oghuz-Ottoman as most likely. I also don't give a chance to proto-Bulgar, it wouldn't make sense while even Bulgarians don't carry East Eurasian. My second suggestion would be Pechenek that known to settled around Thrace and possibly mixed with Greeks despite most are changed their side after Turkic conquest. But still first would be more likely than this.

I also want to add such East Eurasian amount can be seen randomly among Slavs, and he is almost in South Slav degree by looking at his Europid admixture.

Bestworld
03-17-2020, 07:24 PM
Well I don't believe it is from Gagauz considering Gagauz themselves don't score much East Eurasian. The person he matched in Y-12, Faik Yılmaz, is a Bulgarian Turk from Kardzhali. If we really are going to find a source for Turkic input it should be Oghuz-Ottoman as most likely. I also don't give a chance to proto-Bulgar, it wouldn't make sense while even Bulgarians don't carry East Eurasian. My second suggestion would be Pechenek that known to settled around Thrace and possibly mixed with Greeks despite most are changed their side after Turkic conquest. But still first would be more likely than this.

I also want to add such East Eurasian amount can be seen randomly among Slavs, and he is almost in South Slav degree by looking at his Europid admixture.


Νot at all unlikely to be this case.Also the west asian(Iran_N like) among Thracians you think it has to do with bronze/iron age movements or it is more recent?

Cumansky
03-17-2020, 07:26 PM
Peloponnese, I get this one

Target: Greek_Peloponnese:GreeceNE209
Distance: 2.1049% / 0.02104887
81.2 Bulgarian
18.8 Turkish_Trabzon

Target: Greek_Peloponnese:GreeceNE231
Distance: 2.0881% / 0.02088132
53.4 Turkish_Southwest
31.6 Moldavian
15.0 Romanian

Target: Greek_Peloponnese:GreeceNE252
Distance: 1.3019% / 0.01301875
59.4 Moldavian
19.8 Turkish_Trabzon
11.0 Turkish_Southwest
9.4 Gepidian_SRB_ACD
0.4 Roma_Balkans

Morze Czarne K31


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Turkish_Adana,0.0084833,0.0092,-0.0089167,-0.0118667,-0.0091167,-0.0052167,0.0021,-0.0012333,-0.00865,-0.0014333,-6e-04,0.0013833,0.0005833,-0.00015,-0.00205,0.00025,0.00215,5e-04,0.0019167,-0.0040333,-0.0016667,-0.0010333,-0.0014,-0.0029333,0.00045
Turkish_Aydin,0.0083286,0.0060143,-0.0032857,-0.0111714,-0.0064429,-0.0051429,0.0014714,-4e-04,-0.0083143,-0.0009286,-0.0009429,-0.0001571,-0.0030286,0.0036286,-0.0043571,0.0011143,0.0022571,0.0003571,0.001,-0.0011429,-0.0027571,-0.0022429,-0.0030286,-0.0007429,-0.0013
Turkish_Balikesir,0.0086667,0.0058833,-0.00265,-0.0082667,-0.0059167,-0.0049167,0.0028333,0.0020167,-0.0076333,0.0020167,-3e-04,0.0025167,-0.0022167,0.00135,0.0009667,-0.0011,-0.0009833,0.00115,0.0028833,-0.0015667,-0.0043667,0.0007167,-0.00085,0.0007833,-0.0001667
Turkish_Balkans,0.00977,0.00985,0.00443,-0.00084,0.0027,-2e-04,0.00178,0.00204,-0.00275,2e-05,-0.00087,-0.00153,0.00157,0.00395,-0.00702,4e-04,0.004,0.00033,0.00287,-0.00111,-0.00587,0.00025,-0.00025,0.00186,0.00029
Turkish_Central,0.0085462,0.0082846,-0.0081077,-0.0125462,-0.0074231,-0.0047846,0.0014923,-0.0008462,-0.0103,-0.0011923,-0.0001846,0.0018615,-0.0024692,0.0006923,-0.0041692,-0.0011692,5e-04,0.0008769,0.0008462,-0.0014385,-0.0010769,0.0015231,-0.0014769,-0.0003846,0.0003692
Turkish_Istanbul,0.00923,0.00951,-0.00525,-0.00778,-0.00399,-0.00237,0.00182,-0.00015,-0.00761,0.00019,0.00063,0.00226,-0.00248,8e-04,-0.0045,-0.00117,0.00322,0.00161,0.00337,-0.00073,-0.00127,-7e-05,0.00075,-0.00054,0.00066
Turkish_Kayseri,0.00876,0.00961,-0.00905,-0.0142,-0.00787,-0.00437,0.00133,-0.00044,-0.0114,-0.00015,-0.00044,0.00025,-0.00084,0.00221,-0.00261,-7e-05,0.00058,0.00068,0.00159,-0.00276,-0.00144,0.00093,-0.00212,-0.00242,-0.00046
Turkish_North,0.00886,0.00552,-0.00588,-0.01058,-0.00884,-0.00424,0.00318,-0.00016,-0.01112,-0.0013,-0.00186,0.0024,-0.00444,0.00304,-0.00566,-0.00366,0.00024,0.00098,0.00106,-0.00322,-0.00522,0.0026,-0.00218,5e-04,-0.00192
Turkish_Northwest,0.00875,0.0063,-0.0036667,-0.00885,-0.00605,-0.0045,0.0022,-0.0003667,-0.00845,-0.0006167,-0.0014833,0.0011667,-0.00245,0.00145,-0.00235,0.00025,0.0062,-0.00065,-0.0004833,0.0010167,-0.0036833,6e-04,-0.0010667,0.0003667,0.0006667
Turkish_South,0.00826,0.0049,-0.0055,-0.01004,-0.00954,-0.00386,0.00342,-6e-05,-0.01014,-0.00158,-0.0011,1e-04,-0.00218,-0.00196,-0.00068,0.0032,0.00482,0.00096,-0.00036,-0.00018,-0.00246,0.00176,-0.00418,0.0036,0.00332
Turkish_Southwest,0.0083818,0.0057636,-0.0047182,-0.0096727,-0.0072545,-0.0041727,0.0022909,0.0002636,-0.0072909,0.0010182,-0.0007091,0.0004909,-0.002,-0.0007636,-0.0035909,0.0059273,0.0078364,0.0005909,0.0004636,-0.0003182,-0.0032182,-0.0017364,-0.0027545,0.0005818,-0.0015273
Greek_Trabzon,0.00956,0.01374,-0.01437,-0.01897,-0.00818,-0.00636,0.0031,-0.00204,-0.01857,-0.00193,0.00182,0.00407,-0.00968,0.00556,-0.00618,-0.00937,0.00505,-0.00092,-0.00083,0.00189,0.00326,0.00113,-0.00198,-0.00213,-0.00112
Turkish_Trabzon,0.0096,0.0137,-0.01432,-0.01884,-0.00788,-0.00594,0.00212,-0.00322,-0.01774,0.00024,0.00198,0.00442,-0.00584,0.00392,-0.0076,-0.00674,0.00642,4e-04,8e-04,0.00152,0.00506,-5e-04,0.00134,-0.00342,-6e-04
Bulgarian,0.01096,0.01328,0.0068,0.00166,0.008,-3e-04,0.00234,0.00132,-0.00014,0.00384,-0.00206,6e-04,0.00142,0.00628,-0.01054,-0.00168,0.00544,0.00158,0.0025,-0.00296,-0.0037,-0.00044,0.00228,-0.00206,-9e-04
Roma_Balkans,0.008,0.0062667,-0.0156,0.0077333,-0.0061,0.0047,0.0001667,0.0011,0.0081667,0.0081667 ,0.0002333,-0.0002333,0.0006333,0.0063667,-0.0077667,-0.0039333,0.0068,0.0024667,0.0012,8e-04,-0.0016667,1e-04,-0.0005333,-0.0033333,-0.0010667
Gagauz,0.0106889,0.0132333,0.0053111,-9e-04,0.0063556,0.0004778,0.0029222,0.0020333,-0.0017778,0.0019889,-0.0010111,-0.0013889,-0.0009889,0.0073556,-0.0077,-0.0035778,0.0026333,-0.0002111,0.0028667,-0.0023222,-0.0052,-0.0007556,0.0029889,-0.0040889,5.56e-05
Romanian,0.01094,0.0132,0.00906,0.00272,0.00937,0. 0011,0.00155,0.00256,0.00061,0.00338,-0.00212,-0.00014,-0.00036,0.00585,-0.00933,-0.00039,0.00454,-0.00117,0.00268,-0.00246,-0.00536,-0.00204,0.00303,0.00101,-0.00106
Moldavian,0.01068,0.01352,0.00701,-0.00048,0.0075,3e-05,0.00192,0.00138,-0.00052,0.00186,-0.00021,0.00137,0.00169,0.00717,-0.00852,-0.00144,0.00616,-0.00029,0.00351,-0.00047,-0.00385,0.00144,0.00164,0.00013,-4e-05

xripkan
03-17-2020, 07:32 PM
Baltic. Scandinavian HG peaks on latvians, and seems to be that some greeks have baltic admixture on them.

This is what I score

Distance: 3.2698% / 0.03269804
52.0 Anatolian_Farmer
26.8 Yamnaya
16.0 Hajji_Firuz_Tepe
3.6 Scandinavian_Hunter_Gatherer
1.2 Devils_Gate_Cave_N
0.4 Shahr_e_Sukhteh

Rocinante
03-17-2020, 07:36 PM
This is what I score

Distance: 3.2698% / 0.03269804
52.0 Anatolian_Farmer
26.8 Yamnaya
16.0 Hajji_Firuz_Tepe
3.6 Scandinavian_Hunter_Gatherer
1.2 Devils_Gate_Cave_N
0.4 Shahr_e_Sukhteh

Nice. My calcs is improvable, so take it as an idea of your ancient composition.

xripkan
03-17-2020, 07:39 PM
Nice. My calcs is improvable, so take it as an idea of your ancient composition.

I am wondering about Haji Firuz. It seems to me a combination of Iran and Natufian. It must indicate an Eastern Anatolian or Messopotamian ancestry, right?

Rocinante
03-17-2020, 07:46 PM
I am wondering about Haji Firuz. It seems to me a combination of Iran and Natufian. It must indicate an Eastern Anatolian or Messopotamian ancestry, right?

Distance to: Kura_Araxes
0.02996103 Georgian_Imer
0.03971382 Georgian_Laz
0.04122107 Armenian_Hemsheni
0.04516383 Abkhasian
0.05204812 Greek_Trabzon
0.05590061 Turkish_Trabzon
0.05632369 Talysh_Azerbaijan
0.05646336 Armenian
0.05909778 Kurdish
0.06072688 Ossetian
0.06441721 Iranian_Lor
0.06473690 Assyrian
0.06480392 Ezid
0.06548451 Iranian_Mazandarani
0.06698584 Azeri_Dagestan
0.06735190 Adygei
0.06809420 Georgian_Jew
0.06887815 Iranian_Zoroastrian
0.06909901 Ingushian
0.07003958 Azeri_Turkey
0.07238877 Iranian_Fars
0.07273854 Azeri
0.07421110 Chechen
0.07438530 North_Ossetian
0.07866052 Iranian_Seyyed

Distance to: Hajji_Firuz_Tepe
0.03042990 Assyrian
0.03456153 Armenian
0.03785230 Georgian_Jew
0.03792355 Iranian_Jew
0.04120077 Armenian_Hemsheni
0.04294105 Iraqi_Jew
0.04634014 Turkish_Trabzon
0.04701779 Kurdish
0.04774564 Greek_Trabzon
0.05002464 Iranian_Lor
0.05310914 Talysh_Azerbaijan
0.05361955 Ezid
0.05592509 Georgian_Laz
0.05984695 Lebanese_Druze
0.06080514 Druze
0.06248414 Syrian
0.06328327 Azeri_Turkey
0.06328685 Lebanese_Muslim
0.06408140 Azeri
0.06510962 Iranian_Zoroastrian
0.06514623 Greek_Central_Anatolia
0.06687901 Iranian_Fars
0.06787529 Karaite_Egypt
0.06806733 Turkish_Kayseri
0.06842165 Lebanese_Christian

Distance to: Natufian
0.11331769 Yemenite_Mahra
0.12035023 BedouinB
0.12247159 Yemenite_Al_Jawf
0.12395990 Yemenite_Ma'rib
0.12477424 Saudi
0.12583900 Yemenite_Dhamar
0.12724231 Yemenite_Al_Bayda
0.12896684 Yemenite_Jew
0.13890872 Yemenite_Amran
0.15460561 Berber_Tunisia_Sen
0.15739380 Libyan
0.15892643 Egyptian
0.16239463 Berber_Tunisia_Chen
0.16534907 Tunisian
0.16575133 BedouinA
0.16764283 Moroccan_North
0.17749387 Palestinian
0.18066167 Mozabite
0.18084422 Samaritan
0.18316911 Algerian
0.18412065 Tunisian_Jew
0.18632237 Saharawi
0.18650155 Libyan_Jew
0.18689172 Moroccan
0.19517799 Berber_MAR_ERR

Seems to be that they are independent components, peaking in different populations.

Bestworld
03-17-2020, 07:54 PM
Hajji_Firuz Chl is close to mesopotamians indeed but the later BA AND IA samples coming more Iranian/Kurdish like.