Mainland vs Island ''Greek'' Phenotypes.

[Anaximander]

Mainland Hellenes:

https://i.imgur.com/uFEUE9F.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/aPNrYX8.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/RozE4RI.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/juDyS4I.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/ahdop2r.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/9I6ZHno.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/SfZ4w1F.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/D9feff7.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/MSXZ7vQ.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/1Ixscot.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/h8XW4os.gif

https://i.imgur.com/5jOx34q.png

https://i.imgur.com/ZkWzGcY.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/GVj2sxv.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/bsp6LeZ.jpg



''Greek'' Islanders.

https://i.imgur.com/GU7UMYl.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/oKI6kO6.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/Dzk4MsZ.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/ahmcEUA.jpg
Some mainland admixture:
https://i.imgur.com/fM4KkDs.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/JOc1lIP.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/ShAxhrC.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/aVHs43J.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/MNwgODI.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/XtSqreD.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/cF5vVQV.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/JfMajtn.jpg

[Rgvgjhvv]

Already made a thread like this once upon a time. Got closed and out hand. Good luck

[Historyinterest]

I don't see any Hallstats though?

[Voskos]

Arab.Island Greeks are Arab.

[Renekton]

Mainland Greeks have North admixture and Island Greeks Southern admixture

[Historyinterest]

Mainland Greeks have North admixture and Island Greeks Southern admixture

Both have southern admixture. Those from the south just have more of it

[Renekton]

Both have southern admixture. Those from the south just have more of itI don't see any south element in mainlanders at all

[Anaximander]

Both have southern admixture. Those from the south just have more of it


Seeeeeeegragation is the only Relation we must have.
Autonomous state of mainland Greece, and the islands can join with Egypt, since african Union is much closer to them.

[Nomansman]

https://i.imgur.com/ahmcEUA.jpg is this guy really fully native crete greek(i assume thats the "crete guy" from other thread)? Could easily pass as arab

Anyway, most of the mainland looks just lighter south europeans(with some who can pass in more western parts of europe), while most of the greek islanders can pass in west asia(while some looks euro as well)

[Anaximander]

I don't see any south element in mainlanders at all


And DONT forget Mainland Hellas has much pontian blood, and pontians are deschendants of ''Greek'' Islanders.

To put it simply Mainlanders are HELLENES, while Islanders are greeeks. We deschend from Hellenas while they from grecos.

[Renekton]

And DONT forget Mainland Hellas has much pontian blood, and pontians are deschendants of ''Greek'' Islanders.

To put it simply Mainlanders are HELLENES, while Islanders are greeeks. We deschend from Hellenas while they from grecos.

Greeks descent from the ancient past BUT they have foreign traits from Medieval times (Slavic tribes, Catalans, Franks, Venetian)

[Samnium]

Mainland Greeks have North admixture and Island Greeks Southern admixture

Greeks are still genetical outliers for Europe with Southern Italy/Greek Islanders/Central Italians (not Tuscans tho), Islanders and Mainlanders are part (with also part of Italians) of the East Med continuum that goes to Lebanon.

Nothing wrong in that, sure Mainlanders have a bit more "Northern" admixture than Islanders but at the end of the day that doesn't change that they are equidistant to Germans and Levantines. They are nowhere to be the more "northern" influenced Southern Euros, I think that also most Greeks don't care and some of them even hate "Slavic admixture" (I've seen that here).

[Samnium]

Anyway this thread is quite retarded, Islanders look quite similar to Southern Italians in look (on average), you cherry-picked mainlanders with light pigmentation and islanders with dark one. You don't need mainland admixture to be light.

[Anaximander]

Greeks are still genetical outliers for Europe with Southern Italy/Greek Islanders/Central Italians (not Tuscans tho), Islanders and Mainlanders are part (with also part of Italians) of the East Med continuum that goes to Lebanon.

Nothing wrong in that, sure Mainlanders have a bit more "Northern" admixture than Islanders but at the end of the day that doesn't change that they are equidistant to Germans and Levantines. They are nowhere to be the more "northern" influenced Southern Euros, I think that also most Greeks don't care and some of them even hate "Slavic admixture" (I've seen that here).


The Mainlander Hellenes are NOT a slavic tribe, we have nothing to do with slavs.

Its the Islander greeks who deschend from Egyptian sea fearers. I hit my head on the wall , every time i bring to my mind we live in the same state with these north africans. And then we have Markos telling us we are not white!!!!

[Historyinterest]

This is gonna be good

https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Manoel_Ribeiro7/publication/322221540/figure/fig7/AS:669652023783432@1536668892340/Groyper-an-illustration-of-Pepe-the-Frog-which-was-present-in-several-hateful-users.ppm

[Samnium]

The Mainlander Hellenes are NOT a slavic tribe, we have nothing to do with slavs.

Yes but there is some "Slav" influence genetically in modern Mainland Greels, that explain partially why they don't cluster with Southern Italians despite having very strong links.


Its the Islander greeks who deschend from Egyptian sea fearers. I hit my head on the wall , every time i bring to my mind we live in the same state with these north africans. And then we have Markos telling us we are not white!!!!

I don't know whyat you are saying, Islanders are closer genetically to Minoans and Myceneans than Mainland Greeks, and these were two ancient "Greek" civilizations. (Southern Italians are the closest to Myceneans because they are more West shifted).

They are not North-Africans whatsoever. If you model them they have nearly 0% Berber ancestry.

[joanna_38]

bump

[Tauromachos]

The Mainlander Hellenes are NOT a slavic tribe, we have nothing to do with slavs.


+1

There is Slavic admixture in Mainland Greece but this depends on the region its not everywhere realy significant

Epiros doesn't have alot of Slavic, i would say at least for North Greece its the region with the least Slavic

Macedonia and Thrace have more

But for all Greek regions majority of Greeks ancestry is derived from Neolithic and Paleolithic people who were native to Greece at least
since the Bronze Age.

In Mainlanders its possibly more Paleolithic and Greek Islanders more Neolitihic

Greek Islanders are not descended from Egyptian fishermen some sort of Levantine admixture probably there just as there is some Slavic in Mainland Greeks

Also not all NE Euro in Mainland Greeks is from Slavs
Bronze Age Greeks had already a small amount of NE Euro



Its the Islander greeks who deschend from Egyptian sea fearers. I hit my head on the wall , every time i bring to my mind we live in the same state with these north africans. And then we have Markos telling us we are not white!!!

Why do you hate on Greek Islanders so much?

Because of one Canadian poster who says he is an Islander(Markos)?

[Historyinterest]

I don't see any south element in mainlanders at all

U kidding bro? This guy below for example would be seen as pardo in Latin America

https://i.imgur.com/SfZ4w1F.jpg

[Historyinterest]

Seeeeeeegragation is the only Relation we must have.
Autonomous state of mainland Greece, and the islands can join with Egypt, since african Union is much closer to them.

You are a wise man. The real Anaximander would be proud

[Marmara]

Greek Islanders are not real Greeks. They must be deported back to Egypt.

[Tauromachos]

You are a wise man. The real Anaximander would be proud

He isn't wise at all

He talks like an Idiot mentally retarded Neonazi with regard to these matters or like a Turkish,Albanian agent

The real Anaximander wouldn't be proud because he was a West Anatolian therefore Aegean Greek thus
a North African according to him

[Anaximander]

+1

There is Slavic admixture in Mainland Greece but this depends on the region its not everywhere realy significant

Epiros doesn't have alot of Slavic, i would say at least for North Greece its the region with the least Slavic

Macedonia and Thrace have more

But for all Greek regions majority of Greeks ancestry is derived from Neolithic and Paleolithic people who were native to Greece at least
since the Bronze Age.

In Mainlanders its possibly more Paleolithic and Greek Islanders more Neolitihic

Greek Islanders are not descended from Egyptian fishermen some sort of Levantine admixture probably there just as there is some Slavic in Mainland Greeks

Also not all NE Euro in Mainland Greeks is from Slavs
Bronze Age Greeks had already a small amount of NE Euro




Why do you hate on Greek Islanders so much?

Because of one Canadian poster who claims to be an Islander(Markos)?



Is that u in the foto?? U dont look Dorian at all. U are a pelasgian sea fearer.
U are Cypriot if i am not mistaken, which explains everything!

[Zeno]

Greek Islanders are not real Greeks. They must be deported back to Egypt.

My man, you really follow up your status.

Godspeed to your trolling.

[Mrc_]

Islander greeks are original hellenics. Mainland greeks, especially from macedonia and thessaly, are slavicized

[Zeno]

Anximander being the obnoxious twat he always was. Cherrypicking the darkest islanders and favouring the mainlanders.

Both are Greek malakoboukoma.

[Tauromachos]

Is that u in the foto?? U dont look Dorian at all. U are a pelasgian sea fearer.
U are Cypriot if i am not mistaken, which explains everything!


Did you ever saw a real Dorian in your life standing in front of you?

Or from where do you know how they looked like?

Yeah i'm a pelasgian sea fearer ok at least i get some fresh air then
something your H2O head would urgently need


Oxygen is important for the brain to work properly

[Renekton]

U kidding bro? This guy below for example would be seen as pardo in Latin America

https://i.imgur.com/SfZ4w1F.jpgMaybe he is Anatolian Greek. The mainlanders look more Balkan

[Anaximander]

He isn't wise at all

He talks like an Idiot mentally retarded Neonazi with regard to these matters or like a Turkish,Albanian agent

The real Anaximander wouldn't be proud because he was a West Anatolian therefore Aegean Greek thus
a North African according to him


Unfortunately my account was made in 2014, 6 years ago when i was 19 y.o, for 6 years it was inactive, and i have kept the name, since then.
In 6 years many things have changed....
One thing which hasnt changed is Greek islanders deschend from the Grecos, and are north african (Egyptian) sea fearers. There are also frescos which depict them in ancient times paying tribute to the Pharao of ancient Egypt....
Lets make one thing clear that Hellen Mainlanders deschend from the Hellenas , son of Deukalion and Pyrrha, while Greek Islanders deschend from Pelasgus and the Greco, and they are Greeks , while we mainlanders are Hellenes.

[Tauromachos]

Seeeeeeegragation is the only Relation we must have.
Autonomous state of mainland Greece, and the islands can join with Egypt, since african Union is much closer to them.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/36/Flag_of_Albania.svg

[Tauromachos]

Unfortunately my account was made in 2014, 6 years ago when i was 19 y.o, for 6 years it was inactive, and i have kept the name, since then.
In 6 years many things have changed....
One thing which hasnt changed is Greek islanders deschend from the Grecos, and are north african (Egyptian) sea fearers. There are also frescos which depict them in ancient times paying tribute to the Pharao of ancient Egypt....
Lets make one thing clear that Hellen Mainlanders deschend from the Hellenas , son of Deukalion and Pyrrha, while Greek Islanders deschend from Pelasgus and the Greco, and they are Greeks , while we mainlanders are Hellenes.

And you are Albanian descended retard? No?

[Rgvgjhvv]

Why do you hate on Greek Islanders so much?

Because of one Canadian poster who claims to be an Islander(Markos)?

What am I "claiming"? I'm saying the truth lol what do you mean?

[Tauromachos]

What am I "claiming"? I'm saying the truth lol what do you mean?

Ok edit

Anyway i just wondered if you provoke these retards with some of your posts or why do they go so much hater against
Greek Islanders

But probably its something else and has nothing to do with you

I think i understood the game

[Anaximander]

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/36/Flag_of_Albania.svg

https://i.imgur.com/yC9QTw3.png

https://i.imgur.com/I4YxhLj.jpg

eGYFTO-KYPRIE, me apokales alvano, gamw thn egypto, kai oli th mesh anatoli.

Albanians are a slave race. Greeks mainlanders are not albos, neither slaves, why cant these egypto-aegean islanders understand it???

[Rgvgjhvv]

Ok edit

Anyway i just wonder if you provoke these retards with some of your posts or why do they go so much hater against
Greek Islanders

Hahaha I think you answered your own question :lol:

[Tauromachos]

Hahaha I think you answered your own question :lol:

Yeah i did

Why whats bad about it? :lol:

[Anaximander]

U kidding bro? This guy below for example would be seen as pardo in Latin America

https://i.imgur.com/SfZ4w1F.jpg


Thats why i didnt cherry pick, i just posted all the pictures i have on my pc. Dont forget number 3 is a anatolian Greek??
When will this anatolitiki panoukla get out of Greece for Zeuse's shake!!?????????????

[Tauromachos]

https://i.imgur.com/yC9QTw3.png

https://i.imgur.com/I4YxhLj.jpg


eGYFTO-KYPRIE, me apokales alvano, gamw thn egypto, kai oli th mesh anatoli.

Gyfto tha peis ton eauto sou afou oi Gyftoi einai se sas stin Boria Ellada

I Kupros den exei Gyftous


gamw thn egypto, kai oli th mesh anatoli.

Ela re malaka, prosekse min xinies sta moutra sou apo to poli gamisi




Albanians are a slave race. Greeks mainlanders are not albos, neither slaves, why cant these egypto-aegean islanders understand it???

Sta Arxidia mou oi Albanoi sta Arxidia mou kai esu

Tipota den eisai oute Mainland Greek kai arxidia

Enas komplexikos Mpetoblakas apo Borea Ellada opos exoune perasi polu apo do

Den eisai oute protos oute teleutaios autou tou eidos

[catgeorge]

Mainland Greeks = Paleobalkan + Aegean (in the most part)
Island Greeks = Aegean + Anatolian (in the most part)

[brennus dux gallorum]

And DONT forget Mainland Hellas has much pontian blood, and pontians are deschendants of ''Greek'' Islanders.

To put it simply Mainlanders are HELLENES, while Islanders are greeeks. We deschend from Hellenas while they from grecos.
i disagree with your mainland vs islands classification, to me mainland should be at least divided into 2 parts

i also highly doubt that a vlach from veroia is more "hellene" than a parian or a skiathite

the core of hellenism is central Greece, Peloponnese, cyclades and ionian islands

[Samnium]

Mainland Greeks = Paleobalkan + Aegean (in the most part)
Island Greeks = Aegean + Anatolian (in the most part)

Islanders can have an Anatolian shift (like Dodecanese) or are more "Levantine" shifted. It's variable.

[brennus dux gallorum]

Maybe he is Anatolian Greek. The mainlanders look more Balkan

not all mainlanders, at least southern-half of mainland plots closer to abruzzo than to your country and other balkan countries

[Renekton]

not all mainlanders, at least southern-half of mainland plots closer to abruzzo than to your country and other balkan countriesOnly in Peloponnesse and South Thessaly. Epirus Thessaly and Thrace look Balkan

[Anaximander]

Gyfto tha peis ton eauto sou afou oi Gyftoi einai se sas stin Boria Ellada

I Kupros den exei Gyftous



Ela re malaka, prosekse min xinies sta moutra sou apo to poli gamisi




Sta Arxidia mou oi Albanoi sta Arxidia mou kai esu

Tipota den eisai oute Mainland Greek kai arxidia

Enas komplexikos Mpetoblakas apo Borea Ellada opos exoune perasi polu apo do

Den eisai oute protos oute teleutaios autou tou eidos


Why do u try to hijack the Dorian Hellenes. Dorian Are the MAINLAND HELLENES.
Cyprus never had Dorians. It was a mistake of my Dorian Hellenic ancestors , they didnt finish the job with the greeks of the aegean islands once and for all, but they most possibly had u as slaves.

Anyway i dont have any problem with aegean islanders and their greek identity, unless they try my Hellenic Dorian Identity, like u do. And i answer u again , how can u use the name ''SuperDorian'' when u are from an middle eastern island.
See my video here. If u think i identify as slave, or albo, u are great karagkiozis.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqSd7evUxEI

[catgeorge]

Islanders can have an Anatolian shift (like Dodecanese) or are more "Levantine" shifted. It's variable.

Islanders shift slightly more East and Mainlanders shift slightly more North... but the core of Greek is in and around the Aegean lake.

[Tauromachos]

Islanders can have an Anatolian shift (like Dodecanese) or are more "Levantine" shifted. It's variable.

There is more Paleolithic admixture in Mainland Greece vs more Neolithic in the Islands i'd say

The e1b1 EV13 ancestors though were probably early Neolithic Farmer who came from the Mediteranean to Mainland Greece and Balkans

The origin of e1b1 is clearly Neolithic

[brennus dux gallorum]

Only in Peloponnesse and South Thessaly. Epirus Thessaly and Thrace look Balkan

South thessaly? not really, it's closer to Balkans, like northern thessaly. Peloponnese and Sterea (central Greece) results are closer to abruzzo, but they make up half of mainland population (or the majority, if you count the great percentage of anatolians in northern Greece)

[Jana]

Some of the mainlander examples look very Balkan Slavic, like Bulgarians and Serbs.

[Tauromachos]

Some of the mainlander examples look very Balkan Slavic, like Bulgarians and Serbs.

This dude posted by the OP looks more like a German than Greek
https://i.imgur.com/D9feff7.jpg

[Tauromachos]

South thessaly? not really, it's closer to Balkans, like northern thessaly. Peloponnese and Sterea (central Greece) results are closer to abruzzo, but they make up half of mainland population (or the majority, if you count the great percentage of anatolians in northern Greece)

The most Southern shifted Mainlanders are on par with South Italians (also Sicilians) and Greek Islanders

The most North shifted with Bulgarians and Albanians/Tuscans

[Jana]

This dude posted by the OP looks more like a German than Greek
https://i.imgur.com/D9feff7.jpg

He passes as Balkan Slav easily. It's the roundish fluffy nose without much definition like most men here, wider and more northern face structure than typical southern European.

[Renekton]

South thessaly? not really, it's closer to Balkans, like northern thessaly. Peloponnese and Sterea (central Greece) results are closer to abruzzo, but they make up half of mainland population (or the majority, if you count the great percentage of anatolians in northern Greece)Yep I forgot totally Central Greece.
I agree with you mainlanders should divided in 2 categories

[Tauromachos]

He passes as Balkan Slav easily. It's the roundish fluffy nose without much definition like most men here, wider and more northern face structure than typical southern European.

Yeah ok sure he doesn't look much Greek anyway which was my point

Let alone that the poster himself looks nothing like these Dudes he posts here as Mainland Greeks

Which you can see also if you go to his classify thread and observe the comments he gets

[Anaximander]

Islanders can have an Anatolian shift (like Dodecanese) or are more "Levantine" shifted. It's variable.


More aegean islander(dodecanisian) beauty:

Pantelis Chatzidiakos.

https://i.imgur.com/9jp828U.jpg


And imagine he is from Rhodes and he is half Dutch!
IMAGINE HOW THE GREEK DODECANESIAN PART WHOULD LOOK LIKE!!!!!!!!!!

[Tauromachos]

I can't understand then how OP included this guy under Mainland Greeks because he fits or passes in Cyprus like a glove
https://i.imgur.com/SfZ4w1F.jpg[

[Samnium]

The most Southern shifted Mainlanders are on par with South Italians (also Sicilians) and Greek Islanders

The most North shifted with Bulgarians and Albanians/Tuscans

The most northern that I've seen are something like halfway between Bulgarians and Thessalians, something like that.


Islanders shift slightly more East and Mainlanders shift slightly more North... but the core of Greek is in and around the Aegean lake.

Yeah they are still part of the same "Greek" cluster.

[Anaximander]

Only in Peloponnesse and South Thessaly. Epirus Thessaly and Thrace look Balkan



ALL OF AETOLIA-ACARNANIA-THESSALY-EPIRUS-MACEDONIA-(MOST OF STEREA) LOOKS NOTHING THESE NORTH AFRICAN FISHERMANS FROM THE AEGEAN.....
SEA THE MAP OF BLUE EYES I POSTED.

[Tauromachos]

I don't see any south element in mainlanders at all

In the cherrypicked pictures here not but in real life Mainland Greeks on average they look like South Europeans
not like Hungarians or Balkan Slavs

Also Greek Islanders look often more Southern than Mainland Greeks but they do not on average look
like the South Med looking Giakoumakis complexed TA tards are obsessed with neither

Though i don't understand how he included this one as Mainland Greek

This guy didn't came from the Steppes he looks clearly Neolithic to me
https://i.imgur.com/SfZ4w1F.jpg[

[Rgvgjhvv]

Islanders still have paleobalkan admixture. Maybe not as much, but it exists

[Samnium]

Islanders still have paleobalkan admixture. Maybe not as much, but it exists

Yes if not Islanders would plot like Cypriots, not the case definitely.





Though i don't understand how he included this one as Mainland Greek

This guy didn't came from the Steppes he looks clearly Neolithic to me
https://i.imgur.com/SfZ4w1F.jpg[

Brown hair and eyes, features that I will instantly associate to Southern Europe, yeah he looks "Neolithic".

[Anaximander]

Yeah ok sure he doesn't look much Greek anyway which was my point

Let alone that the poster himself looks nothing like these Dudes he posts here as Mainland Greeks

Which you can see also if you go to his classify thread and observe the comments he gets


Yeah sure, he doesnt look Greek, since Greek means egyptian seaferer, he is Hellenic man from Epirus, exactly like myselv.

[Tauromachos]

ALL OF AETOLIA-ACARNANIA-THESSALY-EPIRUS-MACEDONIA-(MOST OF STEREA) LOOKS NOTHING THESE NORTH AFRICAN FISHERMANS FROM THE AEGEAN.....
SEA THE MAP OF BLUE EYES I POSTED.
https://i.imgur.com/SfZ4w1F.jpghttps://s.hs-data.com/gfx/person/l/510850.jpg

[Zeno]

More aegean islander(dodecanisian) beauty:

Pantelis Chatzidiakos.

https://i.imgur.com/9jp828U.jpg


And imagine he is from Rhodes and he is half Dutch!
IMAGINE HOW THE GREEK DODECANESIAN PART WHOULD LOOK LIKE!!!!!!!!!!

He's still atypical.

Μαλακομπούκωμα παχύσαρκο έκτρωμα.

[Tauromachos]

Yeah sure, he doesnt look Greek, since Greek means egyptian seaferer, he is Hellenic man from Epirus, exactly like myselv.

Greek doesn't mean Germanic,Polish or Croatian Ustashe neither

The funny thing is you yourself look nothing like some of these Balkan Slavic or German looking Dudes you post as Mainland Greek examples

[Zeno]

ALL OF AETOLIA-ACARNANIA-THESSALY-EPIRUS-MACEDONIA-(MOST OF STEREA) LOOKS NOTHING THESE NORTH AFRICAN FISHERMANS FROM THE AEGEAN.....
SEA THE MAP OF BLUE EYES I POSTED.

Yeah and no Greek, both in the mainland and the islands and from Anatolia look like a goddamn abomination.

[Tauromachos]

Here is how ancient Greeks depicted themselves in their art
https://www.decorarconarte.com/L36774


(https://www.decorarconarte.com/L36774)https://theancienthome.com/collections/greek-minoan-fresco

[brennus dux gallorum]

ALL OF AETOLIA-ACARNANIA-THESSALY-EPIRUS-MACEDONIA-(MOST OF STEREA) LOOKS NOTHING THESE NORTH AFRICAN FISHERMANS FROM THE AEGEAN.....
SEA THE MAP OF BLUE EYES I POSTED.

eyes are just eyes, most of results from sterea that I have seen do not score Bulgaria as their first foreign result like Thessaly usually does

half of mainland scores Abruzzo as their first foreign population, the other half Bulgarians and tuscans

[Anaximander]

https://i.imgur.com/SfZ4w1F.jpghttps://s.hs-data.com/gfx/person/l/510850.jpg

I never claimed all mainlanders are nordic, but that most islanders look like Egyptian fishermans.


https://i.imgur.com/I4YxhLj.jpg


https://i.imgur.com/yC9QTw3.png

The maps are from different sources, and they correspond. So , Greek mainlanders are have higher percentage of blue eyes than albania, and fyrom,
And happens to correspond with the map of the proto-Hellenic speakers.

U are a greek-cypriot,
I am a Glorious Hellene mainlander.

[brennus dux gallorum]

Here is how ancient Greeks depicted themselves in their art
https://www.decorarconarte.com/L36774


(https://www.decorarconarte.com/L36774)https://theancienthome.com/collections/greek-minoan-fresco

classical southern European. Not Balkan, not middle eastern either :D

the types that you will find in Peloponnese, Cyclades, Sporades, Euboia, Ionian islands, most of Sterea.. :D

[Historyinterest]

I never claimed all mainlanders are nordic, but that most islanders look like Egyptian fishermans.


https://i.imgur.com/I4YxhLj.jpg


https://i.imgur.com/yC9QTw3.png

The maps are from different sources, and they correspond. So , Greek mainlanders are have higher percentage of blue eyes than albania, and fyrom,
And happens to correspond with the map of the proto-Hellenic speakers.

U are a greek-cypriot,
I am a Glorious Hellene mainlander.

Bro you're a legend. On behalf of all Turks I grant you the permission to return back to your former Rum lands. You will be treated like one of us here, as long as you keep trolling

[brennus dux gallorum]

Bro you're a legend. On behalf of all Turks I grant you the permission to return back to your former Rum lands. You will be treated like one of us here, as long as you keep trolling

he is not Rum, he will not appreciate it :D

[Tauromachos]

Why do u try to hijack the Dorian Hellenes. Dorian Are the MAINLAND HELLENES.
Cyprus never had Dorians. It was a mistake of my Dorian Hellenic ancestors , they didnt finish the job with the greeks of the aegean islands once and for all, but they most possibly had u as slaves.


Dorian invasion is Bullshit

According to Greek Mythology you yourself used here for argumentation Dorians were descendants from Dorus son of Hellen
along with Ionians and Aeolians being descendants of Hellens other sons Xuthus and Acheus

Dorians were not from different stock or a separate race
and there is no evidence or proof that ancient Dorians looked realy different from other Greek people

Dorians didn't live only in Mainland Greece but also South Italy,Sicily and some Greek Islands

Also not all Mainland Greeks are descendants of Dorians


As for Cyprus one thing is certain if you go to Cyprus and talk shit to them
you get your ass seriously kicked!

Something which in many Continental European countries which became decadent and anti masculin doesn't happen anymore


Anyway i dont have any problem with aegean islanders and their greek identity, unless they try my Hellenic Dorian Identity, like u do. And i answer u again , how can u use the name ''SuperDorian'' when u are from an middle eastern island.
See my video here. If u think i identify as slave, or albo, u are great karagkiozis.



Karagiozis eisai esu re malaka

Aide gamisu kolo Nazi Germano Tsolia Skato Alvane tis Chamerias

[Historyinterest]

He isn't wise at all

He talks like an Idiot mentally retarded Neonazi with regard to these matters or like a Turkish,Albanian agent

The real Anaximander wouldn't be proud because he was a West Anatolian therefore Aegean Greek thus
a North African according to him

In all seriousness: I thought he was Albanian from the way he downplays half of Greece. Still not entirely sure whether he's actually Greek or not

[Renekton]

I never claimed all mainlanders are nordic, but that most islanders look like Egyptian fishermans.


https://i.imgur.com/I4YxhLj.jpg


https://i.imgur.com/yC9QTw3.png

The maps are from different sources, and they correspond. So , Greek mainlanders are have higher percentage of blue eyes than albania, and fyrom,
And happens to correspond with the map of the proto-Hellenic speakers.

U are a greek-cypriot,
I am a Glorious Hellene mainlander.Disagree with the light eyes. Albanians and Macedonians have more light eyes imho

[Anaximander]

classical southern European. Not Balkan, not middle eastern either :D

the types that you will find in Peloponnese, Cyclades, Sporades, Euboia, Ionian islands, most of Sterea.. :D


These are Greeks, not Hellenes. The greco is deschended from Pelasgus, the pelasgus was ENEMY OF THE HELLENE, in troyan wars.

-Shows a minoan fresco....
SINCE WHEN THE MINONAN EGYPTIANS ARE HELLENIC SPEAKERS?????? WHAT LANGUAGE DID THEY SPEAK???

[Zeno]

Disagree with the light eyes. Albanians and Macedonians have more light eyes imho

Macedonians probably, but all of Greece has more light eyes than pic related too.

[Tauromachos]

classical southern European. Not Balkan, not middle eastern either :D

the types that you will find in Peloponnese, Cyclades, Sporades, Euboia, Ionian islands, most of Sterea.. :D

Yes and Magna Grecia

[Benyzero]

I don't see any Hallstats though?

WHERE ARE THE BLONDES

[Historyinterest]

WHERE ARE THE BLONDES

Plot twist: he found a lot of blondes, but he couldn't include them, as all of them happened to be Greek Islanders

https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/778485568510536639/DA58BAE1E6DB8024B0290C44383BD030249E2DF2/?imw=268&imh=268&ima=fit&impolicy=Letterbox&imcolor=%23000000&letterbox=true

[brennus dux gallorum]

These are Greeks, not Hellenes. The greco is deschended from Pelasgus, the pelasgus was ENEMY OF THE HELLENE, in troyan wars.

-Shows a minoan fresco....
SINCE WHEN THE MINONAN EGYPTIANS ARE HELLENIC SPEAKERS?????? WHAT LANGUAGE DID THEY SPEAK???

ok, got it, something like Pelasgians vs indoeuropeans, right?

I still think that the slavic admixture in more inland parts of northern regions of the mainland and the isolated vlach people in them are the main reason for the "difference" with southern mainland and the islands

[Tauromachos]

I never claimed all mainlanders are nordic, but that most islanders look like Egyptian fishermans.

U are a greek-cypriot,
I am a Glorious Hellene mainlander.

You are a glorius childish troll probably of Albanian descend

At the beginning you pretended to be a friend but then you started making completly stupid and provocative threads not only
me but also other Greeks found odd among them people who have different viewpoints from me and even disagreed or clashed with me in the past

I realy believed you are Mainland Epirote Greek because you look like one in your pictures neither Albo or Balkan Slav
unlike some of the Mainland examples you post here as typical

But your hysterica childlike trolling makes me think only an Albanian can behave like this

As we know Albanians can look Greek at times since there were Greeks in Albania too

[Marmara]

Long ago, Ancient Nordic Hellenes lived together in harmony; Then, everything changed when the minoan egyptian greek fishermen attacked.

[Marmara]

You are a glorius childish troll probably of Albanian descend

At the beginning you pretended to be a friend but then you started making completly stupid and provocative threads not only
me but also other Greeks found odd among them people who have different viewpoints from me and even disagreed or clashed with me in the past

I realy believed you are Mainland Epirote Greek because you look like one in your pictures neither Albo or Balkan Slav
unlike some of the Mainland examples you post here as typical

But your hysterica childlike trolling makes me think only an Albanian can behave like this

As we know Albanians can look Greek at times since there were Greeks in Albania too

https://www.youtube.com/user/deleferme

[brennus dux gallorum]

Long ago, Ancient Nordic Hellenes lived together in harmony; Then, everything changed when the minoan egyptian greek fishermen attacked.

but today they call for a freedom fight, and blonde Hellenic hair will shine bright like the sun again

[Marmara]

but today they call for a freedom fight, and blonde Greek hair will shine bright like the sun again

Inshallah

[Tauromachos]

Lol i just watch one of his videos Greeks compared to Bulgarians


Some of his comments



"Here is a Dinarid type"

"Dinarid looks Dinarid what can we say" wow :lightbul:

"Here we have a Greek Islander he looks like Latin American like from Paraguai he is from Syros"

"Here a Greek looking German or Western European here another one looking Western European,thats how Greeks should look like"

[Tauromachos]

-Shows a minoan fresco....
SINCE WHEN THE MINONAN EGYPTIANS ARE HELLENIC SPEAKERS?????? WHAT LANGUAGE DID THEY SPEAK???

Minoans were not Egyptians

Go and read a paper or article on Minoan DNA first before you tallk shit out of your ass

[Rgvgjhvv]

https://www.youtube.com/user/deleferme

Wth

[Tauromachos]

Wth

Its him!

He has even included his picture

[Anaximander]

Its him!

He has even included his picture

Have u seen your face in the mirror?? Have u ever asked people if to tell u how u look to them? Have created any classificationb thread for yourselv? U look like an egyptian, nothing Dorian in u.
Listen dude, i never claimed i am greek ,like u from cyprus, who has hijacked the Dorian Hellenism identity, when Dorians were never in Cyprus.....!!!
I always claimed i am Hellene. Even in my profile u see i say i am Hellene, NOT greek, like u islanders.

Listen it well and get it deep inside your head. The Mainalnd Hellenes are a different race from all of those that surround them. We are lighter, even from Albanians, and most of Macedonci. We are different both from the Aegean Islanders but also from the Albanian and the Slavs, since we mainly deschend from Dorian Hellenes, and u deschend from pelasgian Greeks.

And what did i say in my video that triggered u??? I said that ai Giorgos Printezis looks like south american, and he is from a south aegean island. Its so rare to find aegean islanders liking like us Mainland Hellenes, like searching for karfitsa sta axira.

Anyways i would even care to upload a thread like this, if it wasnt for this troll, to say that he is Greek, and therefore not white, so putting all Greeks under a non-white banner.

[Voskos]

Από πού είναι ο Πρίντεζης?Νησιώτης ή από ηπειρωτική Ελλάδα;

[Anaximander]

Από πού είναι ο Πρίντεζης?Νησιώτης ή από ηπειρωτική Ελλάδα;


Apo oti diavazw sthn selida tou sth wikipedia , einai apo ti Syro, apote einai Syrios???
From what i read from Giorgos Printezi's wikipedia page he is from the island of Syros, so he is Syrian???

[Tauromachos]

Have u seen your face in the mirror?? Have u ever asked people if to tell u how u look to them? Have created any classificationb thread for yourselv? U look like an egyptian, nothing Dorian in u.
Listen dude, i never claimed i am greek ,like u from cyprus, who has hijacked the Dorian Hellenism identity, when Dorians were never in Cyprus.....!!!
I always claimed i am Hellene. Even in my profile u see i say i am Hellene, NOT greek, like u islanders.

A Troll is what you are



Listen it well and get it deep inside your head. The Mainalnd Hellenes are a different race from all of those that surround them. We are lighter, even from Albanians, and most of Macedonci.

:rotfl:




And what did i say in my video that triggered u??? I said that ai Giorgos Printezis looks like south american, and he is from a south aegean island. Its so rare to find aegean islanders liking like us Mainland Hellenes, like searching for karfitsa sta axira.
.

I can tell if something triggered me more it wasn't what you said about Printezis but that you classified the other Greek dude there as Germanic or Western European looking and commenting that this is how a Greek should look like.

[Anaximander]

https://i.imgur.com/ahmcEUA.jpg is this guy really fully native crete greek(i assume thats the "crete guy" from other thread)? Could easily pass as arab

Anyway, most of the mainland looks just lighter south europeans(with some who can pass in more western parts of europe), while most of the greek islanders can pass in west asia(while some looks euro as well)

The last guy i posted is also a Cretan , his name is Nikos Marinakis

[Tauromachos]

Listen it well and get it deep inside your head. The Mainalnd Hellenes are a different race from all of those that surround them. We are lighter, even from Albanians, and most of Macedonci.

This is from your own classification thread

Puffy East Med type. You look similar to South Italian member from Basilicata, who used to be a regular here except he was more robust than you.


I agree with Feiichy. He looks like the user Toppo900.

This is from your other thread where you asked which ethnicity you'd be guessed if people wouldn't
know you


You'd pass as italian imo

Inviato dal mio SM-A405FN utilizzando Tapatalk





Brazilian.





Latin American or southern European like Italian, Greek




Colombian




Italian or hellenic or in general, south european






East Mediterranid.

Also this from the same thread

I knew a Palestinian guy who looked almost like your doppelganger.


I'm personally not kidding about Jewish/Palestinian. I think you have something similar to this Ashkenazi Jewish (https://www.google.com/search?q=ilan+shor&safe=active&sxsrf=ALeKk02j3sqzEBP_6sNcYRSeUfCCOxHVDw:158431084 7527&tbm=isch&source=iu&ictx=1&fir=pU8JqDw7KLW5aM%253A%252Ce2CgiJgpF1dVlM%252C%25 2Fm%252F0nfm5xn&vet=1&usg=AI4_-kTRoaZRGAKl_S_dKmDoPbmxadEIvQ&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiB-J7qwZ3oAhVMZxUIHW4tCl8Q_B0wE3oECAgQAw#imgrc=pU8JqD w7KLW5aM:) guy from Moldova, especially in the region of the eyebrows. I won't share the pic of that Palestinian guy that I had mentioned, since he's not a public figure, but he was very similar this Jewish guy.

I also don't see the resemblance to Bulgarians. They appear Pontid/Med on average.

[Zeno]

Long ago, Ancient Nordic Hellenes lived together in harmony; Then, everything changed when the minoan egyptian greek fishermen attacked.

Water... (Mycenaeans)

Earth... (Dorians)

Fire... (Egyptians)

Air... (Pelasgians)

My great-grandfather used to tell me stories about the old days, a time when Zeus kept balance between the Pelasgian tribes, the Nordic Dorian tribes, the Mycenean nation and the Egyptian seafarers. But that all changed when the seafarers attacked. Only Zeus mastered all four elements. Only he could stop the ruthless firebenders. But when the world needed him most, he vanished. A hundred years have passed and the Egyptians are nearing victory in the War. Two years ago, my father and the men of my tribe journeyed to the Dorian Highlands to help fight against the Egyptian seafarers leaving me and my brother to look after our tribe. Some people believe that Zeus was never reborn into the Pelasgian tribes and that the cycle is broken. But I haven't lost hope. I still believe that somehow, the Zeus, reincarnated by Anaximander, will return to save the world.

[Anaximander]

This is from your own classification thread


Do u even have a classification Thread??? As u saw from mine, i have green eyes, pale white skin(which are so rare among greek islanders), u know many est meds(arabs according to HumanPhenotype plates) having these characteristics?? These people just troll me, because i had expessed against east med(arab ) types.

Now, see your people identifying as Cypriot ONLY. Cypriots have nothing Hellenic in them, unfortunately!!!!!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OB78fSjtPt4&t=1s

[Marmara]

Do u even have a classification Thread??? As u saw from mine, i have green eyes, pale white skin(which are so rare among greek islanders), u know many est meds(arabs according to HumanPhenotype plates) having these characteristics?? These people just troll me, because i had expessed against east med(arab ) types.

You are like the Greek version of Turkish-Albanian member Xiperyum.

[Tauromachos]

Do u even have a classification Thread??? As u saw from mine, i have green eyes, pale white skin(which are so rare among greek islanders), u know many est meds(arabs according to HumanPhenotype plates) having these characteristics??

Green eyes aren't much rarer among Greek Islanders than in Mainland

I personally don't find Mainland Greek even much lighter than Greek Islanders there are many swarthy or Med looking types in Mainland Greece too

Pale skin also exists among Greek Islanders

But anyway i don't think the paler the skin the more Greek also not for a Mainlander

Only a Nazi Idiot like you thinks like this

You Neo Nazi Bumpkins and then your opposition the libtart neo leftists like Tsipras are the shame of Greece

Where did you see that i only identified as Cypriot?

[Tauromachos]

You are like the Greek version of Turkish-Albanian member Xiperyum.

After following his youtube channel i'd say he is as excessivly obsessed
as Sikeliot was

Only more agressive and offensive

[Anaximander]

You are like the Greek version of Turkish-Albanian member Xiperyum.


Yeah, just with Green, non-slanted eyes without epicanthic fold, a tone lighter skin, and also i cannot grow his beard......

[Tauromachos]

Video done by Anaximander who calls himself ForMyPeople GR

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KA1m5MH9AZI

[brennus dux gallorum]

Video done by Anaximander who calls himself ForMyPeople GR

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KA1m5MH9AZI

the chosen music is so Theapricitant :D :D :D :D

[Renekton]

Great thread

[Tauromachos]

the chosen music is so Theapricitant :D :D :D :D

https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?317639-The-most-beautiful-piece-of-music-ever-written&p=6562466#post6562466

[Anaximander]

the chosen music is so Theapricitant :D :D :D :D

Yeah dude, u always claim that Hellenic mainlanders are Slavic and other shit, yet all south slavic nations have a percentage of their pop, which looks turanid, either andronovo, or alfond. I challenge u to find such individuals within the mainlander Hellenes. U simply will not find them, because we are non-Slavic race.

[Dorian]

and also i cannot grow his beard......

You haven't let it grow enough ,try 2-3 months..unless you let it you can't see its potential

[Tauromachos]

Yeah dude, u always claim that Hellenic mainlanders are Slavic and other shit, yet all south slavic nations have a percentage of their pop, which looks turanid, either andronovo, or alfond. I challenge u to find such individuals within the mainlander Hellenes.

He doesn't claim that they are Slavic

Actually most Greeks do not claim this except for the one poster Bestworld who repeatedly claimed that Mainland Greeks except those in the South are 40% Slav admixed

Most Greeks don't claim this and some even denie there is any Slavic influence or admixture in Mainland Greece

[brennus dux gallorum]

Yeah dude, u always claim that Hellenic mainlanders are Slavic and other shit, yet all south slavic nations have a percentage of their pop, which looks turanid, either andronovo, or alfond. I challenge u to find such individuals within the mainlander Hellenes. U simply will not find them, because we are non-Slavic race.

even if i claimed such a thing, what has this to do with the specific post of me and most of all why did you get offended? All I said is that music is very TA.. THat's all :D

Anyway, of course mainlanders are not slavic and i would never claim such a thing, I said that they are slavic MIXED, and I don't think that this is bad... I do have very few slavic ancestors and I am pretty neutral with it

I said that this extra slavic in northern mainland makes these regions more light than south or the islands

[Tauromachos]

Μαλακομπούκωμα παχύσαρκο έκτρωμα.

This^

[Anaximander]

even if i claimed such a thing, what has this to do with the specific post of me and most of all why did you get offended? All I said is that music is very TA.. THat's all :D

Anyway, of course mainlanders are not slavic and i would never claim such a thing, I said that they are slavic MIXED, and I don't think that this is bad... I do have very few slavic ancestors and I am pretty neutral with it

I said that this extra slavic in northern mainland makes these regions more light than south or the islands

What makes mainlanders lighter than the rest is not slavic admixture, but ancient Dorian admixture.

[Tauromachos]

Is that u in the foto?? U dont look Dorian at all.

Yeah you are right,i can not be or look like a Dorian

A real Dorian has to look like this
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5d/Boris_Becker_-_2019102190927_2019-04-12_Radio_Regenbogen_Award_2019_-_Sven_-_1D_X_MK_II_-_0283_-_B70I6481-2.jpg

[Marmara]

What makes mainlanders lighter than the rest is not slavic admixture, but ancient Dorian admixture.

What makes mainlander lighter than the rest of the world is the Albanian Arvanite admixture.

[Anaximander]

Yeah you are right,i can not be or look like a Dorian

A real Dorian has to look like this
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5d/Boris_Becker_-_2019102190927_2019-04-12_Radio_Regenbogen_Award_2019_-_Sven_-_1D_X_MK_II_-_0283_-_B70I6481-2.jpg

more like this:

https://i.imgur.com/brkF9se.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/5oB68dH.jpg

[Tauromachos]

What makes mainlander lighter than the rest of the world is the Albanian Arvanite admixture.

Mainland Greeks are only particular light vs others according to him and maybe some other posters in reality
they are not

Even Arvanites themselves not necessarily are

The people in this video are original Arvanites who talk about and present Arvanite customs and folklore

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ieGbIPNyrF0

[Anaximander]

What makes mainlander lighter than the rest of the world is the Albanian Arvanite admixture.


How is it ever possible, when the mainland Greeks are lighter than the albanians???
It must have to do with the western Alpine admixture, which peaks in south Epirus, in my place.


https://i.imgur.com/INotgeZ.gif

[Anaximander]

What makes mainlander lighter than the rest of the world is the Albanian Arvanite admixture.

The albanians are the darkest people in the balkans. If u see plates of Indo-European admixture in Europe, they are the second least IE after the sardinians.
The albanians are dravinians........

[Tauromachos]

Yeah dude, u always claim that Hellenic mainlanders are Slavic and other shit, yet all south slavic nations have a percentage of their pop, which looks turanid


Mainlanderrrrrrrrrrs are Slavic n Shietttttttttttttttt

[Historyinterest]

The albanians are dravinians........

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/25/7d/49/257d4913c93a283f90da48f963f9befd.jpg

[Faklon]

Fek this estrogen,

Pontic

https://i.imgur.com/juDyS4I.jpg

Islander

https://i.imgur.com/MSXZ7vQ.jpg

Cretan

https://i.imgur.com/ZkWzGcY.jpg

GR Cypriot

https://i.imgur.com/oKI6kO6.jpg

GR Cypriot

https://i.imgur.com/Dzk4MsZ.jpg

GR Cypriot

https://i.imgur.com/MNwgODI.jpg

Declared Gypsy

https://i.imgur.com/ahmcEUA.jpg

Who's this guy?

https://i.imgur.com/aVHs43J.jpg

More casual mainlanders,

Velios

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/94/Apostolos_Vellios_2016.jpg

Tziolis

https://alchetron.com/cdn/alexandros-tziolis-fe63c799-57e6-47e3-b106-d5a96237e4a-resize-750.jpeg

Samaris

https://www.footballdatabase.eu/images/photos/players/2019-2020/a_93/93384.jpg

Fourtounis

https://sport-chicas.gr/sites/default/files/styles/medium/public/articles/fortounis.jpg?itok=QI-DBMFA

[Rgvgjhvv]

We all look the same

[Anaximander]

the pontian guy is from east Macedonia, and paschalakis is born in Athens, I could have not included them , and include some others.
It doesn't change the fact that mainlander Hellenes are lighter.
''Who's this guy'' He is Cypriot , what else could he be???

[Faklon]

We all look the same

https://i.pinimg.com/600x315/96/d9/29/96d929e74f45214062d5f7dca4086502.jpg

This means that you are white, soy white

[Rgvgjhvv]

https://i.pinimg.com/600x315/96/d9/29/96d929e74f45214062d5f7dca4086502.jpg

This means that you are white, soy white

Wouldn't want it any other way

[ModernMaskil]

Wouldn't want it any other way

You're black, Giannis.

[Rgvgjhvv]

You're black, Giannis.

True, sorry. Thank you for waking me up.

[Bestworld]

Malaka most of mainland greeks you have posted are not truly mainlanders.You are a troll if you think that lighter greeks have dorian admixture because this thing never actually happened.It is normal southern greeks like islanders,cretans,cypriots to be more woggy since they haven't admixed hardly with balkaners,slavs,albanians etc.On autosomal greek mainland has somewhere 30-35% steppe input.

[Anaximander]

Malaka most of mainland greeks you have posted are not truly mainlanders.You are a troll if you think that lighter greeks have dorian admixture because this thing never actually happened.It is normal southern greeks like islanders,cretans,cypriots to be more woggy since they haven't admixed hardly with balkaners,slavs,albanians etc.On autosomal greek mainland has somewhere 30-35% steppe input.

This steppe input exists since antiquity.The classical period Athenians and Spartans, Macedonians, had this 30-35% steppe admixture...

[Renekton]

This steppe input exists since antiquity.The classical period Athenians and Spartans, Macedonians, had this 30-35% steppe admixture...This Steppe admixture is Slavic and comed from Slavic raids in 7th Century AD

[catgeorge]

This Steppe admixture is Slavic and comed from Slavic raids in 7th Century AD

Nonsense.

[Anaximander]

This Steppe admixture is Slavic and comed from Slavic raids in 7th Century AD

Do u know were Hellenes came from?? They spoke an IE language , they came from the steppe, so 1/3 origin from the steppe is not elogical

[Tauromachos]

.The classical period Athenians and Spartans, Macedonians, had this 30-35% steppe admixture...

Nope they didn't have

They had Steppe input but never that much how could they if even todays Greeks barely have that much(Bestworld is exagerating with the numbers here i think)
30% to 35% seems a bit to much

[Bestworld]

Nope they didn't have

They had Steppe input but never that much how could they if even todays Greeks barely have that much(Bestworld is exagerating with the numbers here i think)
30% to 35% seems a bit to much

Ancient Greeks had 9-10 the most 15% steppe admixture.

[Tauromachos]

Ancient Greeks had 9-10 the most 15% steppe admixture.

Yeah i believe

Mycanaeans had about 5% til 10% vs the Minoans who were entirely without Steppe

Classical Greeks for example Dorians might have had 15% then...

[Bestworld]

This Steppe admixture is Slavic and comed from Slavic raids in 7th Century AD

Its not just slavic but also balkanic or paleobalkan(vlach like).

[Anaximander]

Ancient Greeks had 9-10 the most 15% steppe admixture.

By ancient Greek u mean the average citizen of ancient Mycenes.
I am talking about the Mycenaen Aristocracy.
Aslo the Ancient Greek , what we mean by ancient Greeks is Ancient Spartan , Athenean , Macedonians.
These may had 1/3 of their genome from steppe people.

[Tauromachos]

Its not just slavic but also balkanic or paleobalkan(vlach like).

Ancient Yamnaya

A part might be from Scythians who were assimilated into Greek tribes or yeah maybe from some tribes living in Balkans with more Steppe

[Bestworld]

Yeah i believe

Mycanaeans had about 5% til 10% vs the Minoans who were entirely without Steppe

Classical Greeks for example Dorians might have had 15% then...



We have samples from classical greeks(the dorian thing is pretty much mythology doesn't makes sense).


Here how the coming out.



Target: GRC_Mycenaean:I9041
Distance: 2.1024% / 0.02102434
74.6 Anatolia_Barcin_N
13.2 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
6.8 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
5.4 GEO_CHG

Target: GRC_Mycenaean:I9033
Distance: 3.2547% / 0.03254717
68.4 Anatolia_Barcin_N
17.8 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
8.6 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
5.2 GEO_CHG

Target: GRC_Mycenaean:I9010
Distance: 2.7768% / 0.02776818
81.6 Anatolia_Barcin_N
10.0 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
6.6 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
1.8 GEO_CHG

Target: GRC_Mycenaean:I9006
Distance: 2.6797% / 0.02679700
75.6 Anatolia_Barcin_N
10.2 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
8.4 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
5.8 GEO_CHG

Target: Iberia_Northeast_Empuries2:I8215
Distance: 1.9949% / 0.01994852
73.6 Anatolia_Barcin_N
16.8 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
6.4 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N
3.2 GEO_CHG

Target: Iberia_Northeast_Empuries2:I8208
Distance: 2.4333% / 0.02433330
76.0 Anatolia_Barcin_N
10.0 Yamnaya_RUS_Samara
7.8 GEO_CHG
6.2 IRN_Ganj_Dareh_N

They are mostly Anatolian N farmer but they got additional ancestry from caucasus/iran and yamnaya.

[Tauromachos]

We have samples from classical greeks(the dorian thing is pretty much mythology doesn't makes sense).

This is what i have kept been saying from the Beginning that there was no real difference between so called (Doric) Greeks and others
Greeks were just Greek

[Bestworld]

And this is how minoans coming out.

They have zero admixture from Yamnaya.


Target: GRC_Minoan_Lassithi:I9005
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[Bestworld]

This is what i have kept been saying from the Beginning that there was no real difference between so called (Doric) Greeks and others
Greeks were just Greek


They might be a small para-porto greek group but genetically nothing different from the samples that we got.The collapse of mycenaean culture would probably be a mixture of environmental factors,civil war and probably the infamous 'sea people' who raided the bronze age kingdoms.

[Tauromachos]

They might be a small para-porto greek group but genetically nothing different from the samples that we got.The collapse of mycenaean culture would probably be a mixture of environmental factors,civil war and probably the infamous 'sea people' who raided the bronze age kingdoms.

Yeah the Sea people and these came rather from Eastern Mediteranean than the North

[Nomansman]

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[Bestworld]

Yeah the Sea people and these came rather from Eastern Mediteranean than the North

We have samples from them too.They are pretty much like mycenaeans but with higher west asian input and admixture from the levant.They were east med like.


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[Tauromachos]

We have samples from them too.They are pretty much like mycenaeans but with higher west asian input and admixture from the levant.They were east med like.


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Like Cypriots

[Bestworld]

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All the samples that we have from mycenaeans and minoans are closer to greek islanders and to south italians.

[Bestworld]

Like Cypriots

Exactly yes.

[Anaximander]

All the samples that we have from mycenaeans and minoans are closer to greek islanders and to south italians.

Ok so what??
We never claimed we(mainland Greeks) deschend from the Mycenaens, but rather from the Dorians, people like Macedonians, Epirians , Thessalians, their offspring the Spartans, even Athenians of classical period. These are the people the modern Greek nation deschends from, the minoans were pre-Greek speakers, so whatever was their genome is of no importance.

[Rgvgjhvv]

Ok so what??
We never claimed we(mainland Greeks) deschend from the Mycenaens, but rather from the Dorians, people like Macedonians, Epirians , Thessalians, their offspring the Spartans, even Athenians of classical period. These are the people the modern Greek nation deschends from, the minoans were pre-Greek speakers, so whatever was their genome is of no importance.

You would CLEARLY descend from Myceneaens. It's just modern populations have had influence from migration from Paleo-Balkan people since then. It's not hard to understand. You can't compare ancient populations to modern.

[Bestworld]

Ok so what??
We never claimed we(mainland Greeks) deschend from the Mycenaens, but rather from the Dorians, people like Macedonians, Epirians , Thessalians, their offspring the Spartans, even Athenians of classical period. These are the people the modern Greek nation deschends from, the minoans were pre-Greek speakers, so whatever was their genome is of no importance.

What you don't understand are 2 serious issues.First of all and the most important is that Dorians are nothing more but pure 'mythology'.I already linked to you the classical Greek samples from Iberian Empuries.These samples coming from Greek traders from
Catalonia and their genes are the same with the mycenaean samples that i posted you above. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Empúries


Second and the most important.Greeks and more specific mainland Greeks are not genetically the same with ancient Greeks.Can you realize it?Or you are too much stupid for it..

Even Greek islanders/Cretans witch are the most closely related group to ancient mycenaeans and to classical greeks have received an extra west asian/levantine input(probably during byzantium empire,but maybe from phoenicians as well) so their genes have become more middle eastern.As for mainland Greeks i have already explained to you million of times that their high steppe admixture(witch is highly coming from vlachs,slavs etc) pulled them far away from the mycenaean spectrum.It is not by lack that south italians coming closer to mycenaeans rather mainland greeks.Even the Cypriots that you cursing and blaming all day are genetically closer to Mycenaeans despite their levantine input.

And for the last time,stop putting words to my mouth that i hate mainland greeks or that i don't consider them as Greeks.Being Greeks is something more than Genetics or anthropolgy.

[Anaximander]

You would CLEARLY descend from Myceneaens. It's just modern populations have had influence from migration from Paleo-Balkan people since then. It's not hard to understand. You can't compare ancient populations to modern.

We mainlanders deschend mainly from the Dorians.
Even between ourselvs, we tell we deschend from the Dorians.
U may deschend from the Mycenaens, and is not of my job, but u cannot take my Dorian identity out of my people.

[Tauromachos]

We mainlanders deschend mainly from the Dorians.
Even between ourselvs, we tell we deschend from the Dorians.
U may deschend from the Mycenaens, and is not of my job, but u cannot take my Dorian identity out of my people.

No you don't tell

The only people in Mainland Greece who realy claim descendence from Dorians and have connections to them
are Maniots and Tsakonians which are both not particularly Northshifted for Mainlanders.

In case you are Soulliote

Souliotes are Arvanites

They are well respected in Greece because they have fought bravely and were patriotic but they are not directly related to Ancient Dorians.

[Bestworld]

We mainlanders deschend mainly from the Dorians.
Even between ourselvs, we tell we deschend from the Dorians.
U may deschend from the Mycenaens, and is not of my job, but u cannot take my Dorian identity out of my people.

Read here again and if you are not so dump you will shut your mouth...



What you don't understand are 2 serious issues.First of all and the most important is that Dorians are nothing more but pure 'mythology'.I already linked to you the classical Greek samples from Iberian Empuries.These samples coming from Greek traders from
Catalonia and their genes are the same with the mycenaean samples that i posted you above. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Empúries


Second and the most important.Greeks and more specific mainland Greeks are not genetically the same with ancient Greeks.Can you realize it?Or you are too much stupid for it..

Even Greek islanders/Cretans witch are the most closely related group to ancient mycenaeans and to classical greeks have received an extra west asian/levantine input(probably during byzantium empire,but maybe from phoenicians as well) so their genes have become more middle eastern.As for mainland Greeks i have already explained to you million of times that their high steppe admixture(witch is highly coming from vlachs,slavs etc) pulled them far away from the mycenaean spectrum.It is not by lack that south italians coming closer to mycenaeans rather mainland greeks.Even the Cypriots that you cursing and blaming all day are genetically closer to Mycenaeans despite their levantine input.

And for the last time,stop putting words to my mouth that i hate mainland greeks or that i don't consider them as Greeks.Being Greeks is something more than Genetics or anthropolgy.

[Anaximander]

What you don't understand are 2 serious issues.First of all and the most important is that Dorians are nothing more but pure 'mythology'.I already linked to you the classical Greek samples from Iberian Empuries.These samples coming from Greek traders from
Catalonia and their genes are the same with the mycenaean samples that i posted you above. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Empúries


Second and the most important.Greeks and more specific mainland Greeks are not genetically the same with ancient Greeks.Can you realize it?Or you are too much stupid for it..

Even Greek islanders/Cretans witch are the most closely related group to ancient mycenaeans and to classical greeks have received an extra west asian/levantine input(probably during byzantium empire,but maybe from phoenicians as well) so their genes have become more middle eastern.As for mainland Greeks i have already explained to you million of times that their high steppe admixture(witch is highly coming from vlachs,slavs etc) pulled them far away from the mycenaean spectrum.It is not by lack that south italians coming closer to mycenaeans rather mainland greeks.Even the Cypriots that you cursing and blaming all day are genetically closer to Mycenaeans despite their levantine input.

And for the last time,stop putting words to my mouth that i hate mainland greeks or that i don't consider them as Greeks.Being Greeks is something more than Genetics or anthropolgy.

U seem unable to understand the complexity of ancient societies....
The Mycenaens for example had 3 types of Graves, according to the wealth and the societal position of the person.
U have how many Mycenaen samples????? 3? When u rach the sample of 1000 people which is a good representative sample, come and lecture as again!
Second, Catalonia from which the Empuries colony was formed, was initialy an Asia Minor(Anatolian) city , (the founders of them),
and i suppose they would be different from classical Athenians or even Macedonians, Epirotes and even Spartans......

[Bestworld]

U seem unable to understand the complexity of ancient societies....
The Mycenaens for example had 3 types of Graves, according to the wealth and the societal position of the person.
U have how many Mycenaen samples????? 3? When u rach the sample of 1000 people which is a good representative sample, come and lecture as again!
Second, Catalonia from which the Empuries colony was formed, was initialy an Asia Minor(Anatolian) city , (the founders of them),
and i suppose they would be different from classical Athenians or even Macedonians, Epirotes and even Spartans......



The samples that we have are enough.How many samples you need to realize that mycenaeans were mostly Anatolian Farmers with some ancestry from caucasus/Iran and Eastern Europe?1 MILLION samples?

Second the Empuries sample it is coming from Ionian Greeks who settled in Phocaea.The people there were like Athenians..one of the best examples to realize how ancient greeks of Athens were like.The only thing that you might be right is that ancient macedonians would probably be a little bit more different than Ancient Greeks that is true.They might had more steppe admixture but overall their ancestry would be pretty much Anatolian N farmer.

[Renekton]

Dorian invasions was a fairy tale bro.
This theory has long debunked

[Renekton]

Plus it passed thousands of years the today modern Greeks are a bit different to the ancients

[Bestworld]

U seem unable to understand the complexity of ancient societies....
The Mycenaens for example had 3 types of Graves, according to the wealth and the societal position of the person.
U have how many Mycenaen samples????? 3? When u rach the sample of 1000 people which is a good representative sample, come and lecture as again!
Second, Catalonia from which the Empuries colony was formed, was initialy an Asia Minor(Anatolian) city , (the founders of them),
and i suppose they would be different from classical Athenians or even Macedonians, Epirotes and even Spartans......


And btw even if we don't have samples from ancient Epirus or Macedonia that main thing is that we have samples from modern people of those regions and guess what! They coming like 30-35% slavic admixed.Do you really believe that ancient Greeks had genes from the slavs or the balkans?

[Anaximander]

No you don't tell

The only people in Mainland Greece who realy claim descendence from Dorians and have connections to them
are Maniots and Tsakonians which are both not particularly Northshifted for Mainlanders.

In case you are Soulliote

Souliotes are Arvanites

They are well respected in Greece because they have fought bravely and were patriotic but they are not directly related to Ancient Dorians.

I am not even Souliote, were did u get this from?? I said one of Grandmothers were from Souli, while majority of my ancestors came from the region of Zaloggo and around Louros....
Read well dude, i never said i am Souliote.
I dont want to tell my village's name in Here, for obvious reasons.

[Rgvgjhvv]

I dont want to tell my village's name in Here, for obvious reasons.

Nobody gives a crap to ever visit you :lol:

[Zeno]

Plus it passed thousands of years the today modern Greeks are a bit different to the ancients

Yes, just a bit.

[Bestworld]

U seem unable to understand the complexity of ancient societies....
The Mycenaens for example had 3 types of Graves, according to the wealth and the societal position of the person.
U have how many Mycenaen samples????? 3? When u rach the sample of 1000 people which is a good representative sample, come and lecture as again!
Second, Catalonia from which the Empuries colony was formed, was initialy an Asia Minor(Anatolian) city , (the founders of them),
and i suppose they would be different from classical Athenians or even Macedonians, Epirotes and even Spartans......




These 2 PCAS are the best examples of how ancient greeks were and how modern greeks plot.If you are not blind or dump you will realize the differences.

https://imgur.com/zDk2chi
https://imgur.com/sVaUoAq

[Tauromachos]

I am not even Souliote, were did u get this from?? I said one of Grandmothers were from Souli, while majority of my ancestors came from the region of Zaloggo and around Louros....
Read well dude, i never said i am Souliote.
I dont want to tell my village's name in Here, for obvious reasons.

Ok of course

I fully agree!

[Anaximander]

And btw even if we don't have samples from ancient Epirus or Macedonia that main thing is that we have samples from modern people of those regions and guess what! They coming like 30-35% slavic admixed.Do you really believe that ancient Greeks had genes from the slavs or the balkans?

The Empuries samples u are refering to were samples of colonists from Catalonia, who were colonists from an Anatolian, who were colonists from Athens.
U mean they didnt intermix with other peoples in the lands they reached???
Also, i always claimed even modern Greeks are majority anatolian farmer derived, i never denied it.
I said a portion of their genome came from the Eurasian steppe.
But even anatolian farmers and Caucasus neolithic, these samples refer to, had already a percentage of ANE admixture, since they had genes for light skin and blue eyes. So, u should regard these two Groups totaly alien to Steppe IE. Thats what i am saying.

[thenewestmember]

OP should be banned ASAP

[Anaximander]

These 2 PCAS are the best examples of how ancient greeks were and how modern greeks plot.If you are not blind or dump you will realize the differences.

https://imgur.com/zDk2chi
https://imgur.com/sVaUoAq

U are enemy of Greek people, u claim the modern Greek arent like their ancient ancestors, this is at least anti-Hellenic!
U have repeatedly said the southern Greeks are more leavnte shifted , while mainlanders are more northern shifted.
U just want to restrict Greeks from their ancestros nothing more, as i have originaly claimed u are a turk propagator and nothing more.

[waam]

A question at the Greeks here, is this an actual discussion in Greece, mainlanders vs islanders and their validity to hold the Greek identify? Or is this just an anthroforums thing?

[Bestworld]

U are enemy of Greek people, u claim the modern Greek arent like their ancient ancestors, this is at least anti-Hellenic!
U have repeatedly said the southern Greeks are more leavnte shifted , while mainlanders are more northern shifted.
U just want to restrict Greeks from their ancestros nothing more, as i have originaly claimed u are a turk propagator and nothing more.

You are a troll,that was the last time i am trying to help you to learn 2 things about the genetics of your own people but i failed.Its obvious that you are a troll or someone with huge complexes or psycho issues.It is not by lack that most people here want you to get banned....I am done with you!!!

[Anaximander]

A question at the Greeks here, is this an actual discussion in Greece, mainlanders vs islanders and their validity to hold the Greek identify? Or is this just an anthroforums thing?

I was really young like 17 y.o, i was in the road in Athens, a old man from Crete aprroached me, i was sourrounded by foreigner immigrants and told me:
-Are u Greek?
-Yes , i answered
- Never tell u are European , he said me
-Go back to your Island in Crete i told him.

I hope i have answered to your question.

[Tauromachos]

A question at the Greeks here, is this an actual discussion in Greece, mainlanders vs islanders and their validity to hold the Greek identify? Or is this just an anthroforums thing?

Its mostly because of retarded posters like Anaximander otherwise it wouldn't be a thing

Most Greeks wouldn't even care

[Tauromachos]

@Anaximander

Dude you are far to obsessed with this bullshit!

What do you think you are going to achieve here?

I can only think of two possiblities

Either you are a disgusting(probably Non Greek then) troll or as others said you have a real psychical problem

In the second case i must tell you we live in difficult times life sucks for alot of people and many things are not as they should be
but with what you are doing here you only increase your problem and become more frustrated than you already are just sit back relax
stop posting here to much and figure out what you realy want to do in life.

If you feel the urgent need to post here in the Internet about your notions and what you think is right for Greeks better stick to your youtube channel
only and do your videos there

Posting all these shitty threads here doesn't lead you nowhere

[Anaximander]

@Anaximander

Dude you are far to obsessed with this bullshit!

What do you think you are going to achieve here?

I can only think of two possiblities

Either you are a disgusting(probably Non Greek then) troll or as others said you have a real psychical problem

In the second case i must tell you we live in difficult times life sucks for alot of people and many things are not as they should be
but with what you are doing here you only increase your problem and become more frustrated than you realy are just sit back relax
stop posting here to much and figure out what you realy want to do in life.

If you feel the urgent need to post here in the Internet about your notions and what you think is right for Greeks better stick to your youtube channel
only and do your videos there

Posting all these shitty threads here doesn't lead you nowhere

Its probably not me who has psychological problems, i just point out trueths, even if they sound ugly.

[Tauromachos]

Its probably not me who has psychological problems, i just point out trueths, even if they sound ugly.

Dude you pointing out nothing realy

Most is bulllshit what you post here and don't point towards others or consider what they do but stick to yourself only
either you are just an asshole or someone
with a real problem and if you have a problem this is not the way to solve it

Remember what you sow you shall reap

[brennus dux gallorum]

A question at the Greeks here, is this an actual discussion in Greece, mainlanders vs islanders and their validity to hold the Greek identify? Or is this just an anthroforums thing?

No in real life you'll never meet these things

[waam]

No in real life you'll never meet these things

Because Israeli society can be kinda sectarian when it comes to your background so I figured it might be the same case. Makes more sense for it not to be like that though.

[Zeno]

A question at the Greeks here, is this an actual discussion in Greece, mainlanders vs islanders and their validity to hold the Greek identify? Or is this just an anthroforums thing?

Anaximander's issue of masturbating.

[Bestworld]

Because Israeli society can be kinda sectarian when it comes to your background so I figured it might be the same case. Makes more sense for it not to be like that though.

ashkenazi vs sephardic like situations xd?

[waam]

ashkenazi vs sephardic like situations xd?

Yeah and such.

[Pine]

Yeah and such.

What's a typical scenario you have in mind?

[Bestworld]

Yeah and such.

I don't want to be an asshole but Ashkenazi Jews have the highest IQ worldwide and their ranking world number 1 in motivations.Not to mention that the richest individuals have Ashkenazi roots.

[brennus dux gallorum]

Because Israeli society can be kinda sectarian when it comes to your background so I figured it might be the same case. Makes more sense for it not to be like that though.

Israelis come from completely different societies from each other so it makes sense. An askhenazi jew has nothing else in common with an Ethiopian jew than religion

Not that there aren't differences between Greek regions, there are and they often are important, but this "mainland vs islands" thing doesn't exist, it could be "northern mainland vs southern mainland vs Ionian islands vs north Aegean islands vs south Aegean islands vs Cyprus vs Anatolian Greeks" but again they are not worlds apart from each other

The only Greek population which in my opinion has further differences from all (without that making them non Greek) are pontic Greeks

[waam]

What's a typical scenario you have in mind?
Not anything specific, just the general mentality of whom is kin with whom. In my generation boundaries are becoming blurrier but I'm still constantly reminded for example by a friend of mine about how 'Mizrahi' I am when it comes to nuances in my behavior/mentality that are alien to him. There's like a constant cloud that floats above your head, you have to be Israeli to get it, being Jewish does not suffice in this case. :)


Israelis come from completely different societies from each other so it makes sense. An askhenazi jew has nothing else in common with an Ethiopian jew than religion

Not that there aren't differences between Greek regions, there are and they often are important, but this "mainland vs islands" thing doesn't exist, it could be "northern mainland vs southern mainland vs Ionian islands vs north Aegean islands vs south Aegean islands vs Cyprus vs Anatolian Greeks" but again they are not worlds apart from each other

The only Greek population which in my opinion has further differences from all (without that making them non Greek) are pontic Greeks

Yeah I figured that much, it's a melting pot of different cultures (the common ancestry is irrelevant when cultures clash), but it's way better these days than it used to be a few generations ago. Mizrahis and Sephardis used to be discriminated against for real, nowadays if you're good enough at what you're doing I believe that will do (although studies still say there's a huge gap when it comes to education/social status between Ashkenazis and Mizrahis).

[Bestworld]

Not anything specific, just the general mentality of whom is kin with whom. In my generation boundaries are becoming blurrier but I'm still constantly reminded for example by a friend of mine about how 'Mizrahi' I am when it comes to nuances in my behavior/mentality that are alien to him. There's like a constant cloud that floats above your head, you have to be Israeli to get it, being Jewish does not suffice in this case. :)



Yeah I figured that much, it's a melting pot of different cultures (the common ancestry is irrelevant when cultures clash), but it's way better these days than it used to be a few generations ago. Mizrahis and Sephardis used to be discriminated against for real, nowadays if you're good enough at what you're doing I believe that will do (although studies still say there's a huge gap when it comes to education/social status between Ashkenazis and Mizrahis).

Sounds normal since Ashkenazi Jews have more connections with Western Societies when Mizharis coming from mesopotamian states.

[waam]

Sounds normal since Ashkenazi Jews have more connections with Western Societies when Mizharis coming from mesopotamian states.

In what context?

[Bestworld]

In what context?

Western Jews have more educated background that is my point.Jews witch ancestry from west-central eu eastern eu or the US compared to Jews with ancestry from Iraq-Iran and middle east in general.As i know the Elite of Israel have A.J background.It is not by lack that the majority of prime ministers of Israel and Presidents have A.J and Sephardic roots.Correct me if i am wrong,i am not an expert on these issues.

[waam]

Western Jews have more educated background that is my point.Jews witch ancestry from west-central eu eastern eu or the US compared to Jews with ancestry from Iraq-Iran and middle east in general.As i know the Elite of Israel have A.J background.It is not by lack that the majority of prime ministers of Israel and Presidents have A.J and Sephardic roots.Correct me if i am wrong,i am not an expert on these issues.

Yeah there's certainly no lack in terms of numbers, Mizrahis are more numerous if I'm not mistaken. Ashkenazis were historically more educated in the diaspora that is true, it certainly derives from that partially, no doubt. But it did penetrate further than that. I have a friend for example and when I tried getting close to him prior to us befriending he kept a distance and later he did tell me it was because he perceived me as an "ars (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ars_(slang))", and there's nothing that would suggest I was an ars other than the fact I looked Mizrahi. So I mean there's still prejudice when it comes to us.

[Bestworld]

Yeah there's certainly no lack in terms of numbers, Mizrahis are more numerous if I'm not mistaken. Ashkenazis were historically more educated in the diaspora that is true, it certainly derives from that partially, no doubt. But it did penetrate further than that. I have a friend for example and when I tried getting close to him prior to us befriending he kept a distance and later he did tell me it was because he perceived me as an "ars (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ars_(slang))", and there's nothing that would suggest I was an ars other than the fact I looked Mizrahi. So I mean there's still prejudice when it comes to us.

Aha.What is your background? have you done any dna test?

MIzhari Jews i think are more closer to ancient Israelites despite that some of them have been mixed with their local ethnicities..compared to Ashkenazi's who's more mixed with euros.

[samario]

Anaximander was the guy who got mad when he got called East Med?

[waam]

Aha.What is your background? have you done any dna test?

MIzhari Jews i think are more closer to ancient Israelites despite that some of them have been mixed with their local ethnicities..compared to Ashkenazi's who's more mixed with euros.

Mountain Yemenite and Libyan Jewish.

https://i.imgur.com/VQ6x0vP.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/ScmDLfD.jpg

[Anaximander]

Aha.What is your background? have you done any dna test?

MIzhari Jews i think are more closer to ancient Israelites despite that some of them have been mixed with their local ethnicities..compared to Ashkenazi's who's more mixed with euros.

People in Here have claasified me as eastmed, also!!


Anaximander was the guy who got mad when he got called East Med?

This fake east med sub-race

[Bestworld]

People in Here have claasified me as eastmed, also!!



This fake east med sub-race

Such a phenotype doesn't exist.

[Anaximander]

Such a phenotype doesn't exist.

I know it doesnt exist
Why u have ''east med'' as ethnicity?? and not hellenic or Greek?
U arent Greek?

[Pine]

Aha.What is your background? have you done any dna test?

MIzhari Jews i think are more closer to ancient Israelites despite that some of them have been mixed with their local ethnicities..compared to Ashkenazi's who's more mixed with euros.

Which Mizrachim? Plenty of evidence for the reverse.

[Pine]

Not anything specific, just the general mentality of whom is kin with whom. In my generation boundaries are becoming blurrier but I'm still constantly reminded for example by a friend of mine about how 'Mizrahi' I am when it comes to nuances in my behavior/mentality that are alien to him. There's like a constant cloud that floats above your head, you have to be Israeli to get it, being Jewish does not suffice in this case. :)

Sounds like he's joking. I say similar shit all the time.

[waam]

Sounds like he's joking. I say similar shit all the time.

Ofc he's joking, we're friends. How does it invalidate my point though? Israeli society isn't homogeneous in terms of culture and mentality. I just had a fight in the office with my co-worker after he told me (un-jokingly) that he would rather live in a predominantly Ashkenazi society and has collectively thrown all Mizrahim under the bus for being uncivilised (despite him intermarrying). Things like this still happen.

And take into account that I'm one of the more Ashkenazi-passing Israelis so you can imagine what some stereotypically Mizrahi looking Israelis can face.

[Pine]

Ofc he's joking, we're friends. How does it invalidate my point though? Israeli society isn't homogeneous in terms of culture and mentality. I just had a fight in the office with my co-worker after he told me (un-jokingly) that he would rather live in a predominantly Ashkenazi society and has collectively thrown all Mizrahim under the bus for being uncivilised (despite him intermarrying). Things like this still happen.

And take into account that I'm one of the more Ashkenazi-passing Israelis so you can imagine what some stereotypically Mizrahi looking Israelis can face.

So he's married to a Mizrahit?

[waam]

So he's married to a Mizrahit?

To a Moroccan yeah.

[Pine]

To a Moroccan yeah.

He essentially means that he's trying to get dat ass and not interact with her relatives.

[waam]

He essentially means that he's trying to get dat ass and not interact with her relatives.

He is essentially a racist asshole yeah.

[Pine]

He is essentially a racist asshole yeah.

How are Mizrachi neighborhoods?

[Anaximander]

Such a phenotype doesn't exist.

U brought me the 12 tribes of Israel in this Thread, malaka

[Renekton]

U brought me the 12 tribes of Israel in this Thread, malaka

What's wrong with that?

Either way the thread derailed long time ago

[waam]

How are Mizrachi neighborhoods?

It depends on the area, my parent's neighborhood is considered 'ghetto' but things are changing people intermarry a lot and move out a lot so I wouldn't say there is really a distinct devision between Ashkenazim and Mizrahim when it comes to neighborhoods anymore. The division is more about periphery vs the center nowadays more than it is ethnic, but historically mainly Mizrahim were put in the periphery so it's kind of intertwined. The periphery is generally less paid attention to in terms of education, health, working places etc. My family is not from the periphery though.

[Pine]

It depends on the area, my parent's neighborhood is considered 'ghetto' but things are changing people intermarry a lot and move out a lot so I wouldn't say there is really a distinct devision between Ashkenazim and Mizrahim when it comes to neighborhoods anymore. The division is more about periphery vs the center nowadays more than it is ethnic, but historically mainly Mizrahim were put in the periphery so it's kind of intertwined. The periphery is generally less paid attention to in terms of education, health, working places etc. My family is not from the periphery though.

Would you recommend a new immigrant to Israel to live in an Ashkenazi or a Mirzachi neighborhood?

[waam]

U brought me the 12 tribes of Israel in this Thread, malaka

Your thread was pointless to begin with at least now it has some actual content.

[waam]

Would you recommend a new immigrant to Israel to live in an Ashkenazi or a Mirzachi neighborhood?

If you want to save money I recommend you to live in the Ethiopian neighborhoods lol, rented there for a year and it was so much cheaper than where I live today (an 'Ashkenazi' neighborhood next door to Tel Aviv). In terms of quality of life you can actually do better in the periphery for much less money (renting in new buildings is cheaper than the caravan-esque apartment buildings you have for rent in Tel Aviv).

[Rgvgjhvv]

If you want to save money I recommend you to live in the Ethiopian neighborhoods lol, rented there for a year and it was so much cheaper than where I live today (an 'Ashkenazi' neighborhood next door to Tel Aviv). In terms of quality of life you can actually do better in the periphery for much less money (renting in new buildings is cheaper than the caravan-esque apartment buildings you have for rent in Tel Aviv).

Are Ethiopian Jews a genetic outlier amongst the Jewish community?

[Pine]

Are Ethiopian Jews a genetic outlier amongst the Jewish community?

Yes

[waam]

Are Ethiopian Jews a genetic outlier amongst the Jewish community?

Of course, they have SSA ancestry. I haven't studied their case too much but as far as I know they resemble other East Africans much more than they do any group of Jews.

[Anaximander]

Yes

No, they are not, they are just as jewish as the askhenazi and mizrachi, like Markos, an is more Greek than Nigerian.

[Rgvgjhvv]

Double

[waam]

Double

They can't take the Arab crown from you though so don't worry hbb

[Dimitri159]

Troll thread.

Meanwhile we have these Greek Mainlanders:


https://youtu.be/C4PnMqkggcI

Who look really no different from these Islanders*:


https://youtu.be/6kXLVYDlD6U

Islanders are little more tanned but they have the same phenotypes…

[Dimitri159]

I don't see any south element in mainlanders at all

The 1st, 3rd, 7th and 9th are all examples of mainlanders with a “southern element”. Meanwhile the 6th example would never pass as a typical Greek from any part of Greece, not even for Greeks with ancestry from as for north as the Macedonian region. Bruh!

I really don’t see how these mainland Greeks for example look any different from islanders:

https://youtu.be/C4PnMqkggcI