View Full Version : Stears merged Raw data results
I merged his 23andme + AncestryDNA kit to get more precise/accurate results and lot more SNPs than in both of these individual kits.
Number of original snps is 1132822
North_Atlantic 28.18
Baltic 31.44
West_Med 12.48
West_Asian 11.01
East_Med 10.49
Red_Sea 0.86
South_Asian 2.15
East_Asian 0.23
Siberian 2.03 Pct
Amerindian 0.67
Oceanian -
Northeast_African 0.46
Sub-Saharan -
Distance to: Stears
4.29746437 HungarianTA
4.48400491 Szekely
4.81271233 Hungarian_New
5.04137692 Croat_Bosnia
5.25435058 Romanian_North_Moldova_Bukovina
5.38920217 Moldavian
5.76681021 Csango_Gymes
6.14769519 Slovenian
6.23872391 Bosnian
6.48360529 Serbian_Bosnia
6.49358915 Croat_Split
6.50494427 Bosniak_Tuzla
6.51066817 Croatian
6.90924019 Kaykavian_Croatian
7.26858996 Bulgarian_Dupnitsa
7.45389831 Hungarian_East
7.53693572 South_Croat_Slavic_Cluster
7.59271361 South_Croat_Morlach_Cluster
7.60187477 Romanian_Botosani
7.88689410 Serbian_new
8.33091832 Serb_Croatia
8.52142528 Slovak
8.84630997 Hungarian_Transdanubia
9.39695695 Romanian_Average
9.67484367 Romanian_South_Central_Moldova
Target: Stears
Distance: 2.0904% / 2.09037462 | ADC: 0.5x
57.6 Hungarian_New
25.8 Moldavian
12.6 Szekely
4.0 Yagnobi
Target: Stears
Distance: 1.2293% / 1.22929025 | ADC: 0.25x
62.8 Hungarian_New
17.0 Moldavian
6.4 Yagnobi
5.4 Romanian_North_Moldova_Bukovina
4.6 Kaykavian_Croatian
1.2 Tatar
1.0 Bosniak_Tuzla
1.0 South_Polish
0.6 Tabassaran
Could somebody run his mixed mode with updated K13? I can't even get regular Oracle from gedmatch, something is wrong with the site atm.
Thracian
03-19-2020, 10:10 PM
[1,] "81.6 % Czech + 18.4 % Turk_Central_Black_Sea" "1.3645"
[2,] "17.7 % Azerbaijani_Turkey + 82.3 % Czech" "1.4258"
[3,] "80.2 % Czech + 19.8 % Turk_Anatolia" "1.4699"
[4,] "82.6 % Czech + 17.4 % Turk_East" "1.5451"
[5,] "17.2 % Azerbaijani_Iran + 82.8 % Czech" "1.5492"
[6,] "80.5 % Czech + 19.5 % Turk_South" "1.5573"
[7,] "81.2 % Czech + 18.8 % Turk_Central_East" "1.5638"
[8,] "82.5 % Czech + 17.5 % Turk_South_East" "1.593"
[9,] "78.4 % Czech + 21.6 % Turk_North_West" "1.6032"
[10,] "81.6 % Czech + 18.4 % Turkish_mixed" "1.6909"
[11,] "17.5 % Azeri + 82.5 % Czech" "1.8015"
[12,] "80 % Czech + 20 % Turk_Central_West" "1.8238"
[13,] "90 % Hungarian_New + 10 % Yagnobi" "1.8759"
[14,] "83.4 % Czech + 16.6 % Zaza" "1.8885"
[15,] "83.5 % Czech + 16.5 % Kurd_Kurmanji_Turkey" "1.8905"
[16,] "84.6 % Czech + 15.4 % Turk_East_Black_Sea" "1.9367"
[17,] "84.2 % Czech + 15.8 % Kurd_Iran" "1.9501"
[18,] "85.6 % Hungarian_East + 14.4 % Kumyk" "2.0084"
[19,] "87.3 % Slovenian + 12.7 % Yagnobi" "2.0239"
[20,] "62.1 % Czech + 37.9 % Turk_Sliven-Alevi" "2.0348"
[21,] "83.8 % Czech + 16.2 % Talysh" "2.0364"
[22,] "84 % Czech + 16 % Kurdish" "2.0681"
[23,] "84.9 % Czech + 15.1 % Turk_Meskhetian" "2.087"
[24,] "83.8 % Czech + 16.2 % Kurd_Sorani" "2.0879"
[25,] "15.7 % Armenian_East + 84.3 % Czech" "2.1045"
[26,] "87.9 % Slovenian + 12.1 % Tadjik" "2.1068"
[27,] "84.2 % Czech + 15.8 % Lor_Iran" "2.1076"
[28,] "72.7 % Czech + 27.3 % Turk_Edirne" "2.1143"
[29,] "83.6 % Czech + 16.4 % Turkmen_Iraq" "2.1214"
[30,] "15.1 % Azerbaijani_Turkey + 84.9 % Slovak" "2.1602"
[31,] "13.1 % Adygei + 86.9 % Hungarian_East" "2.1747"
[32,] "85.3 % Czech + 14.7 % Laz" "2.1866"
[33,] "84.7 % Czech + 15.3 % Greek_Caucasus" "2.2014"
[34,] "84.7 % Kaykavian_Croatian + 15.3 % Turk_North_West" "2.2092"
[35,] "91.6 % HungarianTA + 8.4 % Yagnobi" "2.2311"
[36,] "13.4 % Balkar + 86.6 % Hungarian_East" "2.2634"
[37,] "10.8 % Abhkasian + 89.2 % Hungarian_East" "2.2643"
[38,] "69.6 % Czech + 30.4 % Turk_Kardzhali-Alevi" "2.2666"
[39,] "87.8 % Hungarian_East + 12.2 % Talysh" "2.2682"
[40,] "86.8 % Kaykavian_Croatian + 13.2 % Turk_Central_East" "2.2721"
[41,] "14.6 % Azerbaijani_Iran + 85.4 % Slovak" "2.2758"
[42,] "86.2 % Hungarian_East + 13.8 % Kabardin" "2.277"
[43,] "8.8 % Chechen + 91.2 % Hungarian_New" "2.2837"
[44,] "92.2 % HungarianTA + 7.8 % Tabassaran" "2.2901"
[45,] "91.3 % Hungarian_New + 8.7 % Lezgin" "2.2923"
[46,] "13.5 % Kurd_Iran + 86.5 % Slovak" "2.293"
[47,] "88.3 % Slovenian + 11.7 % Tabassaran" "2.2981"
[48,] "66.3 % Slovak + 33.7 % Turk_Sliven-Alevi" "2.2983"
[49,] "86.3 % Kaykavian_Croatian + 13.7 % Turk_South" "2.2987"
[50,] "87.2 % Kaykavian_Croatian + 12.8 % Turk_Central_Black_Sea" "2.2993"
[51,] "84.4 % Czech + 15.6 % Greek_Trabzon" "2.3069"
[52,] "86.1 % Kaykavian_Croatian + 13.9 % Turk_Anatolia" "2.3095"
[53,] "91.3 % Hungarian_New + 8.7 % Kabardin" "2.3183"
[54,] "15.5 % Armenian_West + 84.5 % Czech" "2.3201"
[55,] "14.9 % Azeri + 85.1 % Slovak" "2.3223"
[56,] "85.3 % Slovak + 14.7 % Turk_East" "2.3286"
[57,] "91.1 % Hungarian_New + 8.9 % Tabassaran" "2.3298"
[58,] "88.7 % Hungarian_East + 11.3 % Turk_Meskhetian" "2.3318"
[59,] "78.4 % Kaykavian_Croatian + 21.6 % Turk_Komotini" "2.3445"
[60,] "84.1 % Czech + 15.9 % Iranian" "2.3494"
[61,] "11.3 % Georgian + 88.7 % Hungarian_East" "2.3561"
[62,] "83.1 % Slovak + 16.9 % Turk_Anatolia" "2.3641"
[63,] "92.5 % HungarianTA + 7.5 % Lezgin" "2.3668"
[64,] "84.4 % Slovak + 15.6 % Turk_Central_Black_Sea" "2.3711"
[65,] "12.8 % Azerbaijani_Iran + 87.2 % Hungarian_East" "2.374"
[66,] "12.3 % Azerbaijani_Turkey + 87.7 % Kaykavian_Croatian" "2.3791"
[67,] "78.6 % Kaykavian_Croatian + 21.4 % Turk_Kardzhali-South-Plain" "2.3791"
[68,] "92 % Hungarian_New + 8 % North_Ossetian" "2.3843"
[69,] "10.5 % Georgian_imereti + 89.5 % Hungarian_East" "2.3848"
[70,] "88.2 % Hungarian_East + 11.8 % Lor_Iran" "2.3895"
[71,] "87.9 % Hungarian_East + 12.1 % Iran_Centraleast" "2.3922"
[72,] "85.2 % Slovak + 14.8 % Turk_South_East" "2.3934"
[73,] "87.2 % Hungarian_East + 12.8 % North_Ossetian" "2.3997"
[74,] "8.1 % Adygei + 91.9 % Hungarian_New" "2.4085"
[75,] "87.6 % Hungarian_East + 12.4 % Zaza" "2.4089"
[76,] "80.2 % Kaykavian_Croatian + 19.8 % Turk_Edirne" "2.4104"
[77,] "82.9 % Slovak + 17.1 % Turk_Central_West" "2.4114"
[78,] "84.3 % Slovak + 15.7 % Turkish_mixed" "2.4116"
[79,] "83.4 % Slovak + 16.6 % Turk_South" "2.4205"
[80,] "84.6 % Czech + 15.4 % Georgian_Jewish" "2.4221"
[81,] "11.3 % Lezgin + 88.7 % Slovenian" "2.4255"
[82,] "38.9 % North-Swedish + 61.1 % Bulgarian_Ruse" "2.4255"
[83,] "13.2 % Azerbaijani_Turkey + 86.8 % Hungarian_East" "2.4263"
[84,] "13.6 % Kurdish + 86.4 % Slovak" "2.4332"
[85,] "87.7 % Hungarian_East + 12.3 % Kurd_Kurmanji_Turkey" "2.4352"
[86,] "84.3 % Slovak + 15.7 % Turkmen" "2.4404"
[87,] "11.8 % Azerbaijani_Iran + 88.2 % Kaykavian_Croatian" "2.4479"
[88,] "88.1 % Hungarian_East + 11.9 % Kurdish" "2.4507"
[89,] "7.5 % Chechen + 92.5 % HungarianTA" "2.4636"
[90,] "86 % Slovak + 14 % Zaza" "2.4684"
[91,] "87.9 % Kaykavian_Croatian + 12.1 % Turk_South_East" "2.4714"
[92,] "88.7 % Slovenian + 11.3 % Turkmen" "2.4804"
[93,] "88 % Kaykavian_Croatian + 12 % Turk_East" "2.4828"
[94,] "91.2 % Hungarian_New + 8.8 % Kumyk" "2.4871"
[95,] "65.1 % Czech + 34.9 % Turk_Kardzhali-West" "2.4878"
[96,] "10.9 % Afghan_Tadjik + 89.1 % Slovenian" "2.4924"
[97,] "8.2 % Balkar + 91.8 % Hungarian_New" "2.4972"
[98,] "13.9 % Kurd_Kurmanji_Turkey + 86.1 % Slovak" "2.4987"
[99,] "84.1 % Slovak + 15.9 % Turk_Central_East" "2.5007"
[100,] "7.7 % Afghan_Pashtun + 92.3 % Hungarian_New" "2.5099"
^^^^ Thank you so much! Basically West Slav with Türk admixture :P
Aldaris
03-19-2020, 10:20 PM
^^^^ Thank you so much! Basically West Slav with Türk admixture :P
Yeah, don't tell him that. :laugh:
Yeah, don't tell him that. :laugh:
He should be content with his ancestry. :)
Aldaris
03-19-2020, 10:29 PM
He should be content with his ancestry. :)
Preaching to the choir, but I know the guy quite well. :laugh:
Thracian
03-19-2020, 11:54 PM
^^^^ Thank you so much! Basically West Slav with Türk admixture :P
Yeah, it seems he has some conqueror admixture. Our East Eurasian scores are almost identical, mostly Siberian and noise level East Asian and Amerindian. I have more 0.37% total than him.
RyoHazuki
03-20-2020, 01:16 AM
How do you get updated mixed mode oracle? Yeah the site isnt working for me either
RyoHazuki
03-20-2020, 01:17 AM
[1,] "81.6 % Czech + 18.4 % Turk_Central_Black_Sea" "1.3645"
[2,] "17.7 % Azerbaijani_Turkey + 82.3 % Czech" "1.4258"
[3,] "80.2 % Czech + 19.8 % Turk_Anatolia" "1.4699"
[4,] "82.6 % Czech + 17.4 % Turk_East" "1.5451"
[5,] "17.2 % Azerbaijani_Iran + 82.8 % Czech" "1.5492"
[6,] "80.5 % Czech + 19.5 % Turk_South" "1.5573"
[7,] "81.2 % Czech + 18.8 % Turk_Central_East" "1.5638"
[8,] "82.5 % Czech + 17.5 % Turk_South_East" "1.593"
[9,] "78.4 % Czech + 21.6 % Turk_North_West" "1.6032"
[10,] "81.6 % Czech + 18.4 % Turkish_mixed" "1.6909"
[11,] "17.5 % Azeri + 82.5 % Czech" "1.8015"
[12,] "80 % Czech + 20 % Turk_Central_West" "1.8238"
[13,] "90 % Hungarian_New + 10 % Yagnobi" "1.8759"
[14,] "83.4 % Czech + 16.6 % Zaza" "1.8885"
[15,] "83.5 % Czech + 16.5 % Kurd_Kurmanji_Turkey" "1.8905"
[16,] "84.6 % Czech + 15.4 % Turk_East_Black_Sea" "1.9367"
[17,] "84.2 % Czech + 15.8 % Kurd_Iran" "1.9501"
[18,] "85.6 % Hungarian_East + 14.4 % Kumyk" "2.0084"
[19,] "87.3 % Slovenian + 12.7 % Yagnobi" "2.0239"
[20,] "62.1 % Czech + 37.9 % Turk_Sliven-Alevi" "2.0348"
[21,] "83.8 % Czech + 16.2 % Talysh" "2.0364"
[22,] "84 % Czech + 16 % Kurdish" "2.0681"
[23,] "84.9 % Czech + 15.1 % Turk_Meskhetian" "2.087"
[24,] "83.8 % Czech + 16.2 % Kurd_Sorani" "2.0879"
[25,] "15.7 % Armenian_East + 84.3 % Czech" "2.1045"
[26,] "87.9 % Slovenian + 12.1 % Tadjik" "2.1068"
[27,] "84.2 % Czech + 15.8 % Lor_Iran" "2.1076"
[28,] "72.7 % Czech + 27.3 % Turk_Edirne" "2.1143"
[29,] "83.6 % Czech + 16.4 % Turkmen_Iraq" "2.1214"
[30,] "15.1 % Azerbaijani_Turkey + 84.9 % Slovak" "2.1602"
[31,] "13.1 % Adygei + 86.9 % Hungarian_East" "2.1747"
[32,] "85.3 % Czech + 14.7 % Laz" "2.1866"
[33,] "84.7 % Czech + 15.3 % Greek_Caucasus" "2.2014"
[34,] "84.7 % Kaykavian_Croatian + 15.3 % Turk_North_West" "2.2092"
[35,] "91.6 % HungarianTA + 8.4 % Yagnobi" "2.2311"
[36,] "13.4 % Balkar + 86.6 % Hungarian_East" "2.2634"
[37,] "10.8 % Abhkasian + 89.2 % Hungarian_East" "2.2643"
[38,] "69.6 % Czech + 30.4 % Turk_Kardzhali-Alevi" "2.2666"
[39,] "87.8 % Hungarian_East + 12.2 % Talysh" "2.2682"
[40,] "86.8 % Kaykavian_Croatian + 13.2 % Turk_Central_East" "2.2721"
[41,] "14.6 % Azerbaijani_Iran + 85.4 % Slovak" "2.2758"
[42,] "86.2 % Hungarian_East + 13.8 % Kabardin" "2.277"
[43,] "8.8 % Chechen + 91.2 % Hungarian_New" "2.2837"
[44,] "92.2 % HungarianTA + 7.8 % Tabassaran" "2.2901"
[45,] "91.3 % Hungarian_New + 8.7 % Lezgin" "2.2923"
[46,] "13.5 % Kurd_Iran + 86.5 % Slovak" "2.293"
[47,] "88.3 % Slovenian + 11.7 % Tabassaran" "2.2981"
[48,] "66.3 % Slovak + 33.7 % Turk_Sliven-Alevi" "2.2983"
[49,] "86.3 % Kaykavian_Croatian + 13.7 % Turk_South" "2.2987"
[50,] "87.2 % Kaykavian_Croatian + 12.8 % Turk_Central_Black_Sea" "2.2993"
[51,] "84.4 % Czech + 15.6 % Greek_Trabzon" "2.3069"
[52,] "86.1 % Kaykavian_Croatian + 13.9 % Turk_Anatolia" "2.3095"
[53,] "91.3 % Hungarian_New + 8.7 % Kabardin" "2.3183"
[54,] "15.5 % Armenian_West + 84.5 % Czech" "2.3201"
[55,] "14.9 % Azeri + 85.1 % Slovak" "2.3223"
[56,] "85.3 % Slovak + 14.7 % Turk_East" "2.3286"
[57,] "91.1 % Hungarian_New + 8.9 % Tabassaran" "2.3298"
[58,] "88.7 % Hungarian_East + 11.3 % Turk_Meskhetian" "2.3318"
[59,] "78.4 % Kaykavian_Croatian + 21.6 % Turk_Komotini" "2.3445"
[60,] "84.1 % Czech + 15.9 % Iranian" "2.3494"
[61,] "11.3 % Georgian + 88.7 % Hungarian_East" "2.3561"
[62,] "83.1 % Slovak + 16.9 % Turk_Anatolia" "2.3641"
[63,] "92.5 % HungarianTA + 7.5 % Lezgin" "2.3668"
[64,] "84.4 % Slovak + 15.6 % Turk_Central_Black_Sea" "2.3711"
[65,] "12.8 % Azerbaijani_Iran + 87.2 % Hungarian_East" "2.374"
[66,] "12.3 % Azerbaijani_Turkey + 87.7 % Kaykavian_Croatian" "2.3791"
[67,] "78.6 % Kaykavian_Croatian + 21.4 % Turk_Kardzhali-South-Plain" "2.3791"
[68,] "92 % Hungarian_New + 8 % North_Ossetian" "2.3843"
[69,] "10.5 % Georgian_imereti + 89.5 % Hungarian_East" "2.3848"
[70,] "88.2 % Hungarian_East + 11.8 % Lor_Iran" "2.3895"
[71,] "87.9 % Hungarian_East + 12.1 % Iran_Centraleast" "2.3922"
[72,] "85.2 % Slovak + 14.8 % Turk_South_East" "2.3934"
[73,] "87.2 % Hungarian_East + 12.8 % North_Ossetian" "2.3997"
[74,] "8.1 % Adygei + 91.9 % Hungarian_New" "2.4085"
[75,] "87.6 % Hungarian_East + 12.4 % Zaza" "2.4089"
[76,] "80.2 % Kaykavian_Croatian + 19.8 % Turk_Edirne" "2.4104"
[77,] "82.9 % Slovak + 17.1 % Turk_Central_West" "2.4114"
[78,] "84.3 % Slovak + 15.7 % Turkish_mixed" "2.4116"
[79,] "83.4 % Slovak + 16.6 % Turk_South" "2.4205"
[80,] "84.6 % Czech + 15.4 % Georgian_Jewish" "2.4221"
[81,] "11.3 % Lezgin + 88.7 % Slovenian" "2.4255"
[82,] "38.9 % North-Swedish + 61.1 % Bulgarian_Ruse" "2.4255"
[83,] "13.2 % Azerbaijani_Turkey + 86.8 % Hungarian_East" "2.4263"
[84,] "13.6 % Kurdish + 86.4 % Slovak" "2.4332"
[85,] "87.7 % Hungarian_East + 12.3 % Kurd_Kurmanji_Turkey" "2.4352"
[86,] "84.3 % Slovak + 15.7 % Turkmen" "2.4404"
[87,] "11.8 % Azerbaijani_Iran + 88.2 % Kaykavian_Croatian" "2.4479"
[88,] "88.1 % Hungarian_East + 11.9 % Kurdish" "2.4507"
[89,] "7.5 % Chechen + 92.5 % HungarianTA" "2.4636"
[90,] "86 % Slovak + 14 % Zaza" "2.4684"
[91,] "87.9 % Kaykavian_Croatian + 12.1 % Turk_South_East" "2.4714"
[92,] "88.7 % Slovenian + 11.3 % Turkmen" "2.4804"
[93,] "88 % Kaykavian_Croatian + 12 % Turk_East" "2.4828"
[94,] "91.2 % Hungarian_New + 8.8 % Kumyk" "2.4871"
[95,] "65.1 % Czech + 34.9 % Turk_Kardzhali-West" "2.4878"
[96,] "10.9 % Afghan_Tadjik + 89.1 % Slovenian" "2.4924"
[97,] "8.2 % Balkar + 91.8 % Hungarian_New" "2.4972"
[98,] "13.9 % Kurd_Kurmanji_Turkey + 86.1 % Slovak" "2.4987"
[99,] "84.1 % Slovak + 15.9 % Turk_Central_East" "2.5007"
[100,] "7.7 % Afghan_Pashtun + 92.3 % Hungarian_New" "2.5099"
Could you please run mine?
How do you get updated mixed mode oracle? Yeah the site isnt working for me either
Check here: https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?317514-New-K13-Ancient-Vahaduo-1756-samples/page15
Do you have his merged Dodecad K12b?
Thracian
03-20-2020, 11:08 AM
Could you please run mine?
Sure. Could you post or PM your K13 results?
Do you have his merged Dodecad K12b?
Gedrosia 6.15
Siberian 2.05
Northwest_African 0.96
Southeast_Asian -
Atlantic_Med 23.77
North_European 44.63
South_Asian 1.32
East_African 0.29
Southwest_Asian 3.50
East_Asian 0.18
Caucasus 17.15
Sub_Saharan -
Target: Stears
Distance: 1.1587% / 1.15869468 | ADC: 0.25x
78.6 Hungarians
10.2 Romanians
4.2 Chuvashs
4.0 Tajiks
2.0 Pathan
1.0 Moroccans
Distance to: Stears
4.67637680 Bosnian
4.82977225 Croat
5.82097930 Hungarians
RyoHazuki
03-20-2020, 05:14 PM
Sure. Could you post or PM your K13 results?
Thank you
Rgvgjhvv
03-20-2020, 05:16 PM
How do you merge raw data?
How do you merge raw data?
You should download DNA kit studio, it's very easy. Instructions are in following link:
https://dnagenics.com/dna-kit-studio/
Rgvgjhvv
03-20-2020, 05:41 PM
You should download DNA kit studio, it's very easy. Instructions are in following link:
https://dnagenics.com/dna-kit-studio/
I think I heard of this before, but is it true it doesn't work on Apple computers? If so, I'm screwed
Token
03-20-2020, 05:43 PM
He should be content with his ancestry. :)
Do Stears have noble ancestry?
I think I heard of this before, but is it true it doesn't work on Apple computers? If so, I'm screwed
No idea. Just send your raw data to somebody you trust, they can run it for you in such case.
Do Stears have noble ancestry?
Yes. His father was of fully noble origin. I think that's why he scores conqueror-like ancestry.
Token
03-20-2020, 05:46 PM
Yes. His father was of fully noble origin. I think that's why he scores conqueror-like ancestry.
It would be interesting to test his father.
It would be interesting to test his father.
Unfortunately he passed away recently. However, he was one of 13 children and many of his siblings are still alive. I plan to test one of them. :)
Kaspias
03-21-2020, 08:51 PM
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37.9% Bulgarian Turk :D
37.9% Bulgarian Turk :D
What is your opinion of his results?
Luke35
03-21-2020, 09:00 PM
What is your opinion of his results?
Have you tried using just the Szekely and Transdanubian averages, see how it splits him?
Have you tried using just the Szekely and Transdanubian averages, see how it splits him?
Target: Stears
Distance: 4.3395% / 4.33946607
87.2 Szekely
12.8 Hungarian_Transdanubia
Bad fit. He has some Croatian after all from his mother's side. But it's possible he inherited more DNA from his father.
Luke35
03-21-2020, 09:13 PM
Target: Stears
Distance: 4.3395% / 4.33946607
87.2 Szekely
12.8 Hungarian_Transdanubia
Bad fit. He has some Croatian after all from his mother's side. But it's possible he inherited more DNA from his father.
Wow! I think there is a a chance his mom is closer to at least the TA or NEW Hungarian average, but I know she refuses to test.
It will be very cool if you can get one Stears aunts/uncles on Szekely side to take a test.
Kaspias
03-21-2020, 09:19 PM
What is your opinion of his results?
He seems like carrying not only additional Turkic but also additional West-Asian like ancestry. Alevi Turks in Bulgaria are the ones who score most West Asian, and he also gets Turk_Black-Sea, Caucasian populations...
I don't believe these two admixtures(Turkic + WA) came with only one root, but two different ancestors.
Luke35
03-21-2020, 09:25 PM
Okay, I took a look myself. He gets a more balanced split using the New Hungarian average, but the distance is still high. I am assuming the high distance is because his exotic admix is not being accounted for, although it is built in a little with the Szekely average I believe (I know Kokeny has high Siberian/WA).
Target: Mr.Stears
Distance: 3.7884% / 3.78843616
55.4 Szekely
44.6 Hungarian_New
Wow! I think there is a a chance his mom is closer to at least the TA or NEW Hungarian average, but I know she refuses to test.
It will be very cool if you can get one Stears aunts/uncles on Szekely side to take a test.
Yes, that would be great. And we need samples from Somogy county and rest of southern Transdanubia.
He seems like carrying not only additional Turkic but also additional West-Asian like ancestry. Alevi Turks in Bulgaria are the ones who score most West Asian, and he also gets Turk_Black-Sea, Caucasian populations...
I don't believe these two admixtures(Turkic + WA) came with only one root, but two different ancestors.
Very interesting, I agree.
Kaspias
03-21-2020, 09:29 PM
Yes, that would be great. And we need samples from Somogy county and rest of southern Transdanubia.
Very interesting, I agree.
Can you post his G25 scaled coordinates?
Can you post his G25 scaled coordinates?
Yes. Maybe you can make good model for him. :)
Stears_scaled,0.122929,0.119832,0.049026,0.030039, 0 .026774,0.017012,0.00705,0.003923,-0.002454,-0.009112,-0.002923,-0.001948,0.002081,0.01101,-0.00285,-0.001989,0.006128,0.002027,0.001257,-0.000625,-0.001123,0.003215,0.00493,0.003615,0.006945
Luke35
03-21-2020, 09:39 PM
I look forward to Kaspias assessment :)
Kaspias
03-21-2020, 11:02 PM
Yes. Maybe you can make good model for him. :)
Stears_scaled,0.122929,0.119832,0.049026,0.030039, 0 .026774,0.017012,0.00705,0.003923,-0.002454,-0.009112,-0.002923,-0.001948,0.002081,0.01101,-0.00285,-0.001989,0.006128,0.002027,0.001257,-0.000625,-0.001123,0.003215,0.00493,0.003615,0.006945
I modeled him by using Avar_Szolad:Av2 for Slavic, DEU_MA for Germanic, Hun_MA_Szolad_o1 and Scythian_MDA for Native.(Transdanubia=MA_Szolad_o1, Szekely=Scythian_MDA) and literally entire Central Asian populations except for Europid ones. Also added some Caucasian. Then removed Slavic, Germanic, Native proxies step by step to zoom "?" part.
https://i.ibb.co/5FzjxJt/stears1.png
Then run a two way ancient run to see balance:
[1,] "13.7% NPL_Chokhopani_2700BP + 86.3% Yamnaya_UKR_Ozera_o" "0.0774"
[2,] "14.1% NPL_Samdzong_1500BP + 85.9% Yamnaya_UKR_Ozera_o" "0.0775"
[3,] "13.4% NPL_Mebrak_2125BP + 86.6% Yamnaya_UKR_Ozera_o" "0.078"
[4,] "13.6% THA_IA + 86.4% Yamnaya_UKR_Ozera_o" "0.0785"
[5,] "12.8% MNG_XiongNu + 87.2% Yamnaya_UKR_Ozera_o" "0.0804"
[6,] "12.9% VNM_LN + 87.1% Yamnaya_UKR_Ozera_o" "0.0814"
[7,] "12.3% MYS_LN + 87.7% Yamnaya_UKR_Ozera_o" "0.0816"
[8,] "12.8% VNM_N_all + 87.2% Yamnaya_UKR_Ozera_o" "0.0816"
[9,] "12.7% LAO_BA + 87.3% Yamnaya_UKR_Ozera_o" "0.0816"
[10,] "12.3% VNM_BA_all + 87.7% Yamnaya_UKR_Ozera_o" "0.082"
[11,] "12.1% LAO_LN_BA + 87.9% Yamnaya_UKR_Ozera_o" "0.0821"
[12,] "12.2% IND_Roopkund_C + 87.8% Yamnaya_UKR_Ozera_o" "0.0822"
[13,] "13% VNM_BA_DongSonCulture + 87% Yamnaya_UKR_Ozera_o" "0.0823"
[14,] "34.5% Anatolia_Ottoman + 65.5% Yamnaya_UKR_Ozera_o" "0.0833"
[15,] "83.4% IRN_Hajji_Firuz_BA + 16.6% NPL_Chokhopani_2700BP" "0.085"
[16,] "82.9% IRN_Hajji_Firuz_BA + 17.1% NPL_Samdzong_1500BP" "0.0852"
[17,] "26.7% KAZ_Kipchak + 73.3% Yamnaya_UKR_Ozera_o" "0.0853"
[18,] "11.2% MYS_Historical + 88.8% Yamnaya_UKR_Ozera_o" "0.0855"
[19,] "12% MNG_Hovsgol_BA_o1 + 88% Yamnaya_UKR_Ozera_o" "0.0855"
[20,] "11.1% RUS_Devils_Gate_Cave_N + 88.9% Yamnaya_UKR_Ozera_o" "0.0855"
[21,] "31.9% KAZ_Turk + 68.1% Yamnaya_UKR_Ozera_o" "0.0858"
[22,] "14.8% Hun_Tian_Shan_o + 85.2% Yamnaya_UKR_Ozera_o" "0.0858"
[23,] "12.5% KAZ_Hun-Sarmatian + 87.5% Yamnaya_UKR_Ozera_o" "0.086"
[24,] "23.9% KAZ_Karluk + 76.1% Yamnaya_UKR_Ozera_o" "0.0861"
[25,] "83.8% IRN_Hajji_Firuz_BA + 16.2% NPL_Mebrak_2125BP" "0.0861"
[26,] "48.4% MDA_Cimmerian + 51.6% UZB_Dzharkutan2_BA" "0.0861"
[27,] "12.7% KAZ_Nomad_HP + 87.3% Yamnaya_UKR_Ozera_o" "0.0865"
[28,] "27% ITA_Collegno_MA_o2 + 73% KAZ_Turk_o" "0.0865"
[29,] "21.4% CHN_Shirenzigou_IA + 78.6% Yamnaya_UKR_Ozera_o" "0.0865"
[30,] "41.1% KAZ_Alpamsa_MLBA_Alakul + 58.9% UZB_Dzharkutan2_BA" "0.0866"
[31,] "15.1% CHN_Tianyuan + 84.9% Yamnaya_UKR_Ozera_o" "0.0867"
[32,] "21.9% KAZ_Karakhanid + 78.1% Yamnaya_UKR_Ozera_o" "0.0868"
[33,] "10.8% VUT_2900BP_all + 89.2% Yamnaya_UKR_Ozera_o" "0.0869"
[34,] "51.8% KAZ_Alpamsa_MLBA_Alakul + 48.2% Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kalavan" "0.0872"
[35,] "11.5% KAZ_Golden_Horde_Asian + 88.5% Yamnaya_UKR_Ozera_o" "0.0872"
[36,] "13.6% KGZ_Nomad_MA + 86.4% Yamnaya_UKR_Ozera_o" "0.0873"
[37,] "69.4% KAZ_Turk_o + 30.6% UZB_Dzharkutan2_BA" "0.0875"
[38,] "11.7% RUS_Yana_MA + 88.3% Yamnaya_UKR_Ozera_o" "0.0877"
[39,] "14.2% NPL_Samdzong_1500BP + 85.8% RUS_Alan_MA" "0.0879"
[40,] "11.3% RUS_Lokomotiv_N + 88.7% Yamnaya_UKR_Ozera_o" "0.088"
[41,] "13.6% NPL_Mebrak_2125BP + 86.4% RUS_Alan_MA" "0.088"
[42,] "70.7% RUS_Alan_MA + 29.3% Saka_Kazakh_steppe" "0.088"
[43,] "13.7% NPL_Chokhopani_2700BP + 86.3% RUS_Alan_MA" "0.088"
[44,] "24.1% CHN_Shirenzigou_IA + 75.9% RUS_Alan_MA" "0.0881"
[45,] "10.7% TON_2500BP + 89.3% Yamnaya_UKR_Ozera_o" "0.0881"
[46,] "11.2% RUS_Shamanka_N + 88.8% Yamnaya_UKR_Ozera_o" "0.0881"
[47,] "89.3% KAZ_Turk_o + 10.7% Levant_Natufian" "0.0881"
[48,] "40.7% Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kalavan + 59.3% MDA_Cimmerian" "0.0882"
[49,] "11.5% PYF_150BP + 88.5% Yamnaya_UKR_Ozera_o" "0.0883"
[50,] "91.9% KAZ_Turk_o + 8.1% KEN_Early_Pastoral_N" "0.0883"
[51,] "19.4% KAZ_Nomad_MA + 80.6% Yamnaya_UKR_Ozera_o" "0.0884"
[52,] "37.8% ITA_Collegno_MA_o2 + 62.2% Yamnaya_UKR_Ozera_o" "0.0885"
[53,] "61.1% MDA_Cimmerian + 38.9% RUS_Maykop_Novosvobodnaya" "0.0886"
[54,] "58.6% MDA_Cimmerian + 41.4% RUS_Maykop_Late" "0.0886"
[55,] "93.5% KAZ_Turk_o + 6.5% THA_IA" "0.0887"
[56,] "53.6% KAZ_Alpamsa_MLBA_Alakul + 46.4% RUS_Maykop_Novosvobodnaya" "0.0887"
[57,] "74.4% KAZ_Turk_o + 25.6% RUS_Saltovo-Mayaki_low_res" "0.0887"
[58,] "93.9% KAZ_Turk_o + 6.1% MYS_LN" "0.0887"
[59,] "93.7% KAZ_Turk_o + 6.3% LAO_BA" "0.0887"
[60,] "44% Saka_Tian_Shan + 56% UZB_Dzharkutan2_BA" "0.0888"
[61,] "30.6% Saka_Kazakh_steppe + 69.4% UZB_Dzharkutan2_BA" "0.0888"
[62,] "61.5% MDA_Cimmerian + 38.5% RUS_Darkveti-Meshoko_En" "0.0888"
[63,] "54.4% ITA_Collegno_MA_o2 + 45.6% RUS_Kubano-Tersk" "0.0888"
[64,] "94% KAZ_Turk_o + 6% LAO_LN_BA" "0.0889"
[65,] "6% IND_Roopkund_C + 94% KAZ_Turk_o" "0.0889"
[66,] "34.9% Scythian_RUS_Urals + 65.1% UZB_Dzharkutan2_BA" "0.0889"
[67,] "86.5% KAZ_Turk_o + 13.5% Levant_JOR_EBA" "0.089"
[68,] "13.1% EGY_Late_Period + 86.9% KAZ_Turk_o" "0.089"
[69,] "38.1% Hun_Tian_Shan + 61.9% UZB_Dzharkutan2_BA" "0.089"
[70,] "67.2% ARM_Lchashen_MBA + 32.8% Saka_Kazakh_steppe" "0.089"
[71,] "51% KAZ_Alpamsa_MLBA_Alakul + 49% RUS_Maykop_Late" "0.0891"
[72,] "35% KAZ_Turk + 65% RUS_Alan_MA" "0.0891"
[73,] "13.7% England_Roman_Near_Eastern_o + 86.3% KAZ_Turk_o" "0.0891"
[74,] "11.1% BRA_Botocudo + 88.9% Yamnaya_UKR_Ozera_o" "0.0892"
[75,] "58.5% MDA_Cimmerian + 41.5% TKM_Gonur3_BA" "0.0892"
[76,] "93.9% KAZ_Turk_o + 6.1% VNM_N_all" "0.0892"
[77,] "65.5% ARM_MBA + 34.5% Saka_Kazakh_steppe" "0.0892"
[78,] "56.9% ARM_Lchashen_MBA + 43.1% KAZ_Alpamsa_MLBA_Alakul" "0.0892"
[79,] "14.9% LAO_Hoabinhian + 85.1% Yamnaya_UKR_Ozera_o" "0.0893"
[80,] "84.5% IRN_Hajji_Firuz_BA + 15.5% MNG_XiongNu" "0.0893"
[81,] "85.6% KAZ_Turk_o + 14.4% Levant_Canaanite_MBA" "0.0894"
[82,] "85.7% KAZ_Turk_o + 14.3% Levant_ISR_Ashkelon_IA2" "0.0894"
[83,] "93.5% KAZ_Turk_o + 6.5% KEN_Pastoral_N" "0.0894"
[84,] "93.4% KAZ_Turk_o + 6.6% KEN_Pastoral_N_Elmenteitan" "0.0895"
[85,] "94% KAZ_Turk_o + 6% VNM_LN" "0.0895"
[86,] "93.7% KAZ_Turk_o + 6.3% NPL_Samdzong_1500BP" "0.0895"
[87,] "38.8% KAZ_Alpamsa_MLBA_Alakul + 61.2% RUS_Alan_MA" "0.0895"
[88,] "36.2% Hun_Tian_Shan + 63.8% RUS_Alan_MA" "0.0895"
[89,] "93% KAZ_Turk_o + 7% KEN_Pastoral_N_o" "0.0895"
[90,] "93.5% KAZ_Turk_o + 6.5% TZA_Luxmanda_3100BP" "0.0895"
[91,] "94% KAZ_Turk_o + 6% NPL_Chokhopani_2700BP" "0.0895"
[92,] "41.4% IRN_Hasanlu_IA + 58.6% MDA_Cimmerian" "0.0896"
[93,] "93.3% KAZ_Turk_o + 6.7% TZN_PN_o" "0.0896"
[94,] "49.2% ARM_Lchashen_MBA + 50.8% MDA_Cimmerian" "0.0896"
[95,] "93.6% KAZ_Turk_o + 6.4% TZN_PN" "0.0897"
[96,] "26.5% MNG_XiongNu_WE + 73.5% RUS_Alan_MA" "0.0897"
[97,] "84% IRN_Hajji_Firuz_BA + 16% THA_IA" "0.0897"
[98,] "19.2% Anatolia_Ottoman + 80.8% KAZ_Turk_o" "0.0897"
[99,] "12.9% MNG_Hovsgol_BA + 87.1% Yamnaya_UKR_Ozera_o" "0.0898"
[100,] "90.1% KAZ_Turk_o + 9.9% Levant_PPNC" "0.0898"
There are some groups such as XiongNu, Hun, Gokturk which balanced with either Caucasian or Iranic populations. Makes me believe that there are three different admixture: Caucasian, Iranic, Turkic. Oracles such as the ones at the below inspired me:
[42,] "70.7% RUS_Alan_MA + 29.3% Saka_Kazakh_steppe" "0.088"
[53,] "61.1% MDA_Cimmerian + 38.9% RUS_Maykop_Novosvobodnaya" "0.0886"
[57,] "74.4% KAZ_Turk_o + 25.6% RUS_Saltovo-Mayaki_low_res" "0.0887"
[44,] "24.1% CHN_Shirenzigou_IA + 75.9% RUS_Alan_MA" "0.0881"
[96,] "26.5% MNG_XiongNu_WE + 73.5% RUS_Alan_MA" "0.0897"
[98,] "19.2% Anatolia_Ottoman + 80.8% KAZ_Turk_o" "0.0897"
I modeled the previous output again with KAZ_TURK, MNG_XiongNu-CA for Turkic; TKM_Gonur3_BA for Iranic; Alan sample for Alan.
https://i.ibb.co/7yLSv4s/xaz.png
It makes sense because this was what I had been thinking, two different root with three different admixture. But now there is one more option, three different root. For now, I'm going to subtract that Alan to eliminate one.
Target: Stears7
Distance: 19.0802% / 0.19080242
74.8 Turkic
25.2 Iranic
Now it is 3/4 Turkic and 1/4 Iranic. But is it actual form of Turkic type he carries or is there one more root for Iranic admixture? I don't know and it is really hard to answer, but I'm going to subtract that Iranic to see the final.
Distance to: Stears8
0.25947614 Tatar_Lipka
0.25986629 Uzbek
0.26244746 Bashkir
0.26548013 Uygur
0.26640009 Tatar_Kazan
0.26715894 Turkmen
0.26759863 Nogai
0.26765166 Turkmen_Uzbekistan
0.26916510 Chuvash
0.27115818 Tatar_Siberian
0.27350064 Hazara_Afghanistan
0.27360682 Udmurt
0.27406292 Besermyan
0.27670350 Saami
0.27670722 Mari
0.27745260 Hazara
0.27856517 Tatar_Mishar
0.27961543 Karakalpak
0.28135436 Komi
0.28211762 Tajik
0.28623521 Maori
0.29250440 Tajik_Ishkashim
0.29255874 Tajik_Shugnan
0.29258735 Yukagir_Forest
0.29290208 Tajik_Rushan
Distance to: Stears8
0.25186899 KAZ_Alpamsa_MLBA_Alakul
0.25217521 Saka_Kazakh_steppe
0.25440479 KAZ_Turk
0.25466222 Hun_Tian_Shan
0.25505957 Scythian_RUS_Urals
0.25816921 Scythian_Zevakino_Chilikta_IA
0.25865174 MDA_Cimmerian
0.25910758 Saka_Tian_Shan
0.25929118 MNG_Hovsgol_BA_o2
0.26108475 Anatolia_Ottoman
0.26165607 KAZ_Kipchak
0.26376784 RUS_Altai_IA
0.26500416 CHN_Shirenzigou_IA
0.26549538 RUS_Karasuk
0.26583824 MNG_Xiong_Nu_Central_Asian
0.26731550 RUS_Nomad_MA
0.26752645 KAZ_Nomad_IA
0.26830181 KAZ_Tasbas_IA
0.26839462 KAZ_Molaly_LBA
0.26932834 Scythian_Aldy_Bel_IA
0.27291442 RUS_Tagar
0.27318152 FIN_Levanluhta_IA
0.27594422 KAZ_Wusun
0.27628809 KAZ_Zevakinskiy_LBA
0.27723117 RUS_Chalmny-Varre
A reminder here, high distance is a nature of the subtraction process.
The second reminder here, it is something experimental and you shouldn't take it so seriously.
Coordinates
Stears7(with-Iranic),0.074558218,-0.037451813,0.007139914,0.014199112,-0.000225688,0.026861356,0.003808302,0.023094192,-0.01676256,-0.074111435,-0.03740385,-0.03387444,0.033562496,0.028721458,0.051693278,0.0 37058544,0.077355879,-0.013538159,-0.073328487,0.011866324,-0.012106622,0.032498899,-0.029543114,0.054208815,0.086301323
Stears8(Turkic-Focused),0.067540624,-0.079047751,0.042455218,0.026791816,0.02657575,0.0 34141808,0.002884402,0.031484589,-0.007760747,-0.091890247,-0.0457038,-0.044816253,0.049011661,0.042790944,0.064400371,0. 042295726,0.101837172,-0.019908879,-0.091863649,0.020032099,-0.014977495,0.047948199,-0.035652152,0.075090087,0.106566097
17571imre
03-21-2020, 11:25 PM
I modeled him by using Avar_Szolad:Av2 for Slavic, DEU_MA for Germanic, Hun_MA_Szolad_o1 and Scythian_MDA for Native.(Transdanubia=MA_Szolad_o1, Szekely=Scythian_MDA) and literally entire Central Asian populations except for Europid ones. Also added some Caucasian. Then removed Slavic, Germanic, Native proxies step by step to zoom "?" part.
https://i.ibb.co/5FzjxJt/stears1.png
Then run a two way ancient run to see balance:
[1,] "13.7% NPL_Chokhopani_2700BP + 86.3% Yamnaya_UKR_Ozera_o" "0.0774"
[2,] "14.1% NPL_Samdzong_1500BP + 85.9% Yamnaya_UKR_Ozera_o" "0.0775"
[3,] "13.4% NPL_Mebrak_2125BP + 86.6% Yamnaya_UKR_Ozera_o" "0.078"
[4,] "13.6% THA_IA + 86.4% Yamnaya_UKR_Ozera_o" "0.0785"
[5,] "12.8% MNG_XiongNu + 87.2% Yamnaya_UKR_Ozera_o" "0.0804"
[6,] "12.9% VNM_LN + 87.1% Yamnaya_UKR_Ozera_o" "0.0814"
[7,] "12.3% MYS_LN + 87.7% Yamnaya_UKR_Ozera_o" "0.0816"
[8,] "12.8% VNM_N_all + 87.2% Yamnaya_UKR_Ozera_o" "0.0816"
[9,] "12.7% LAO_BA + 87.3% Yamnaya_UKR_Ozera_o" "0.0816"
[10,] "12.3% VNM_BA_all + 87.7% Yamnaya_UKR_Ozera_o" "0.082"
[11,] "12.1% LAO_LN_BA + 87.9% Yamnaya_UKR_Ozera_o" "0.0821"
[12,] "12.2% IND_Roopkund_C + 87.8% Yamnaya_UKR_Ozera_o" "0.0822"
[13,] "13% VNM_BA_DongSonCulture + 87% Yamnaya_UKR_Ozera_o" "0.0823"
[14,] "34.5% Anatolia_Ottoman + 65.5% Yamnaya_UKR_Ozera_o" "0.0833"
[15,] "83.4% IRN_Hajji_Firuz_BA + 16.6% NPL_Chokhopani_2700BP" "0.085"
[16,] "82.9% IRN_Hajji_Firuz_BA + 17.1% NPL_Samdzong_1500BP" "0.0852"
[17,] "26.7% KAZ_Kipchak + 73.3% Yamnaya_UKR_Ozera_o" "0.0853"
[18,] "11.2% MYS_Historical + 88.8% Yamnaya_UKR_Ozera_o" "0.0855"
[19,] "12% MNG_Hovsgol_BA_o1 + 88% Yamnaya_UKR_Ozera_o" "0.0855"
[20,] "11.1% RUS_Devils_Gate_Cave_N + 88.9% Yamnaya_UKR_Ozera_o" "0.0855"
[21,] "31.9% KAZ_Turk + 68.1% Yamnaya_UKR_Ozera_o" "0.0858"
[22,] "14.8% Hun_Tian_Shan_o + 85.2% Yamnaya_UKR_Ozera_o" "0.0858"
[23,] "12.5% KAZ_Hun-Sarmatian + 87.5% Yamnaya_UKR_Ozera_o" "0.086"
[24,] "23.9% KAZ_Karluk + 76.1% Yamnaya_UKR_Ozera_o" "0.0861"
[25,] "83.8% IRN_Hajji_Firuz_BA + 16.2% NPL_Mebrak_2125BP" "0.0861"
[26,] "48.4% MDA_Cimmerian + 51.6% UZB_Dzharkutan2_BA" "0.0861"
[27,] "12.7% KAZ_Nomad_HP + 87.3% Yamnaya_UKR_Ozera_o" "0.0865"
[28,] "27% ITA_Collegno_MA_o2 + 73% KAZ_Turk_o" "0.0865"
[29,] "21.4% CHN_Shirenzigou_IA + 78.6% Yamnaya_UKR_Ozera_o" "0.0865"
[30,] "41.1% KAZ_Alpamsa_MLBA_Alakul + 58.9% UZB_Dzharkutan2_BA" "0.0866"
[31,] "15.1% CHN_Tianyuan + 84.9% Yamnaya_UKR_Ozera_o" "0.0867"
[32,] "21.9% KAZ_Karakhanid + 78.1% Yamnaya_UKR_Ozera_o" "0.0868"
[33,] "10.8% VUT_2900BP_all + 89.2% Yamnaya_UKR_Ozera_o" "0.0869"
[34,] "51.8% KAZ_Alpamsa_MLBA_Alakul + 48.2% Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kalavan" "0.0872"
[35,] "11.5% KAZ_Golden_Horde_Asian + 88.5% Yamnaya_UKR_Ozera_o" "0.0872"
[36,] "13.6% KGZ_Nomad_MA + 86.4% Yamnaya_UKR_Ozera_o" "0.0873"
[37,] "69.4% KAZ_Turk_o + 30.6% UZB_Dzharkutan2_BA" "0.0875"
[38,] "11.7% RUS_Yana_MA + 88.3% Yamnaya_UKR_Ozera_o" "0.0877"
[39,] "14.2% NPL_Samdzong_1500BP + 85.8% RUS_Alan_MA" "0.0879"
[40,] "11.3% RUS_Lokomotiv_N + 88.7% Yamnaya_UKR_Ozera_o" "0.088"
[41,] "13.6% NPL_Mebrak_2125BP + 86.4% RUS_Alan_MA" "0.088"
[42,] "70.7% RUS_Alan_MA + 29.3% Saka_Kazakh_steppe" "0.088"
[43,] "13.7% NPL_Chokhopani_2700BP + 86.3% RUS_Alan_MA" "0.088"
[44,] "24.1% CHN_Shirenzigou_IA + 75.9% RUS_Alan_MA" "0.0881"
[45,] "10.7% TON_2500BP + 89.3% Yamnaya_UKR_Ozera_o" "0.0881"
[46,] "11.2% RUS_Shamanka_N + 88.8% Yamnaya_UKR_Ozera_o" "0.0881"
[47,] "89.3% KAZ_Turk_o + 10.7% Levant_Natufian" "0.0881"
[48,] "40.7% Kura-Araxes_ARM_Kalavan + 59.3% MDA_Cimmerian" "0.0882"
[49,] "11.5% PYF_150BP + 88.5% Yamnaya_UKR_Ozera_o" "0.0883"
[50,] "91.9% KAZ_Turk_o + 8.1% KEN_Early_Pastoral_N" "0.0883"
[51,] "19.4% KAZ_Nomad_MA + 80.6% Yamnaya_UKR_Ozera_o" "0.0884"
[52,] "37.8% ITA_Collegno_MA_o2 + 62.2% Yamnaya_UKR_Ozera_o" "0.0885"
[53,] "61.1% MDA_Cimmerian + 38.9% RUS_Maykop_Novosvobodnaya" "0.0886"
[54,] "58.6% MDA_Cimmerian + 41.4% RUS_Maykop_Late" "0.0886"
[55,] "93.5% KAZ_Turk_o + 6.5% THA_IA" "0.0887"
[56,] "53.6% KAZ_Alpamsa_MLBA_Alakul + 46.4% RUS_Maykop_Novosvobodnaya" "0.0887"
[57,] "74.4% KAZ_Turk_o + 25.6% RUS_Saltovo-Mayaki_low_res" "0.0887"
[58,] "93.9% KAZ_Turk_o + 6.1% MYS_LN" "0.0887"
[59,] "93.7% KAZ_Turk_o + 6.3% LAO_BA" "0.0887"
[60,] "44% Saka_Tian_Shan + 56% UZB_Dzharkutan2_BA" "0.0888"
[61,] "30.6% Saka_Kazakh_steppe + 69.4% UZB_Dzharkutan2_BA" "0.0888"
[62,] "61.5% MDA_Cimmerian + 38.5% RUS_Darkveti-Meshoko_En" "0.0888"
[63,] "54.4% ITA_Collegno_MA_o2 + 45.6% RUS_Kubano-Tersk" "0.0888"
[64,] "94% KAZ_Turk_o + 6% LAO_LN_BA" "0.0889"
[65,] "6% IND_Roopkund_C + 94% KAZ_Turk_o" "0.0889"
[66,] "34.9% Scythian_RUS_Urals + 65.1% UZB_Dzharkutan2_BA" "0.0889"
[67,] "86.5% KAZ_Turk_o + 13.5% Levant_JOR_EBA" "0.089"
[68,] "13.1% EGY_Late_Period + 86.9% KAZ_Turk_o" "0.089"
[69,] "38.1% Hun_Tian_Shan + 61.9% UZB_Dzharkutan2_BA" "0.089"
[70,] "67.2% ARM_Lchashen_MBA + 32.8% Saka_Kazakh_steppe" "0.089"
[71,] "51% KAZ_Alpamsa_MLBA_Alakul + 49% RUS_Maykop_Late" "0.0891"
[72,] "35% KAZ_Turk + 65% RUS_Alan_MA" "0.0891"
[73,] "13.7% England_Roman_Near_Eastern_o + 86.3% KAZ_Turk_o" "0.0891"
[74,] "11.1% BRA_Botocudo + 88.9% Yamnaya_UKR_Ozera_o" "0.0892"
[75,] "58.5% MDA_Cimmerian + 41.5% TKM_Gonur3_BA" "0.0892"
[76,] "93.9% KAZ_Turk_o + 6.1% VNM_N_all" "0.0892"
[77,] "65.5% ARM_MBA + 34.5% Saka_Kazakh_steppe" "0.0892"
[78,] "56.9% ARM_Lchashen_MBA + 43.1% KAZ_Alpamsa_MLBA_Alakul" "0.0892"
[79,] "14.9% LAO_Hoabinhian + 85.1% Yamnaya_UKR_Ozera_o" "0.0893"
[80,] "84.5% IRN_Hajji_Firuz_BA + 15.5% MNG_XiongNu" "0.0893"
[81,] "85.6% KAZ_Turk_o + 14.4% Levant_Canaanite_MBA" "0.0894"
[82,] "85.7% KAZ_Turk_o + 14.3% Levant_ISR_Ashkelon_IA2" "0.0894"
[83,] "93.5% KAZ_Turk_o + 6.5% KEN_Pastoral_N" "0.0894"
[84,] "93.4% KAZ_Turk_o + 6.6% KEN_Pastoral_N_Elmenteitan" "0.0895"
[85,] "94% KAZ_Turk_o + 6% VNM_LN" "0.0895"
[86,] "93.7% KAZ_Turk_o + 6.3% NPL_Samdzong_1500BP" "0.0895"
[87,] "38.8% KAZ_Alpamsa_MLBA_Alakul + 61.2% RUS_Alan_MA" "0.0895"
[88,] "36.2% Hun_Tian_Shan + 63.8% RUS_Alan_MA" "0.0895"
[89,] "93% KAZ_Turk_o + 7% KEN_Pastoral_N_o" "0.0895"
[90,] "93.5% KAZ_Turk_o + 6.5% TZA_Luxmanda_3100BP" "0.0895"
[91,] "94% KAZ_Turk_o + 6% NPL_Chokhopani_2700BP" "0.0895"
[92,] "41.4% IRN_Hasanlu_IA + 58.6% MDA_Cimmerian" "0.0896"
[93,] "93.3% KAZ_Turk_o + 6.7% TZN_PN_o" "0.0896"
[94,] "49.2% ARM_Lchashen_MBA + 50.8% MDA_Cimmerian" "0.0896"
[95,] "93.6% KAZ_Turk_o + 6.4% TZN_PN" "0.0897"
[96,] "26.5% MNG_XiongNu_WE + 73.5% RUS_Alan_MA" "0.0897"
[97,] "84% IRN_Hajji_Firuz_BA + 16% THA_IA" "0.0897"
[98,] "19.2% Anatolia_Ottoman + 80.8% KAZ_Turk_o" "0.0897"
[99,] "12.9% MNG_Hovsgol_BA + 87.1% Yamnaya_UKR_Ozera_o" "0.0898"
[100,] "90.1% KAZ_Turk_o + 9.9% Levant_PPNC" "0.0898"
There are some groups such as XiongNu, Hun, Gokturk which balanced with either Caucasian or Iranic populations. Makes me believe that there are three different admixture: Caucasian, Iranic, Turkic. Oracles such as the ones at the below inspired me:
[42,] "70.7% RUS_Alan_MA + 29.3% Saka_Kazakh_steppe" "0.088"
[53,] "61.1% MDA_Cimmerian + 38.9% RUS_Maykop_Novosvobodnaya" "0.0886"
[57,] "74.4% KAZ_Turk_o + 25.6% RUS_Saltovo-Mayaki_low_res" "0.0887"
[44,] "24.1% CHN_Shirenzigou_IA + 75.9% RUS_Alan_MA" "0.0881"
[96,] "26.5% MNG_XiongNu_WE + 73.5% RUS_Alan_MA" "0.0897"
[98,] "19.2% Anatolia_Ottoman + 80.8% KAZ_Turk_o" "0.0897"
I modeled the previous output again with KAZ_TURK, MNG_XiongNu-CA for Turkic; TKM_Gonur3_BA for Iranic; Alan sample for Alan.
https://i.ibb.co/7yLSv4s/xaz.png
It makes sense because this was what I had been thinking, two different root with three different admixture. But now there is one more option, three different root. For now, I'm going to subtract that Alan to eliminate one.
Target: Stears7
Distance: 19.0802% / 0.19080242
74.8 Turkic
25.2 Iranic
Now it is 3/4 Turkic and 1/4 Iranic. But is it actual form of Turkic type he carries or is there one more root for Iranic admixture? I don't know and it is really hard to answer, but I'm going to subtract that Iranic to see the final.
Distance to: Stears8
0.25947614 Tatar_Lipka
0.25986629 Uzbek
0.26244746 Bashkir
0.26548013 Uygur
0.26640009 Tatar_Kazan
0.26715894 Turkmen
0.26759863 Nogai
0.26765166 Turkmen_Uzbekistan
0.26916510 Chuvash
0.27115818 Tatar_Siberian
0.27350064 Hazara_Afghanistan
0.27360682 Udmurt
0.27406292 Besermyan
0.27670350 Saami
0.27670722 Mari
0.27745260 Hazara
0.27856517 Tatar_Mishar
0.27961543 Karakalpak
0.28135436 Komi
0.28211762 Tajik
0.28623521 Maori
0.29250440 Tajik_Ishkashim
0.29255874 Tajik_Shugnan
0.29258735 Yukagir_Forest
0.29290208 Tajik_Rushan
Distance to: Stears8
0.25186899 KAZ_Alpamsa_MLBA_Alakul
0.25217521 Saka_Kazakh_steppe
0.25440479 KAZ_Turk
0.25466222 Hun_Tian_Shan
0.25505957 Scythian_RUS_Urals
0.25816921 Scythian_Zevakino_Chilikta_IA
0.25865174 MDA_Cimmerian
0.25910758 Saka_Tian_Shan
0.25929118 MNG_Hovsgol_BA_o2
0.26108475 Anatolia_Ottoman
0.26165607 KAZ_Kipchak
0.26376784 RUS_Altai_IA
0.26500416 CHN_Shirenzigou_IA
0.26549538 RUS_Karasuk
0.26583824 MNG_Xiong_Nu_Central_Asian
0.26731550 RUS_Nomad_MA
0.26752645 KAZ_Nomad_IA
0.26830181 KAZ_Tasbas_IA
0.26839462 KAZ_Molaly_LBA
0.26932834 Scythian_Aldy_Bel_IA
0.27291442 RUS_Tagar
0.27318152 FIN_Levanluhta_IA
0.27594422 KAZ_Wusun
0.27628809 KAZ_Zevakinskiy_LBA
0.27723117 RUS_Chalmny-Varre
A reminder here, high distance is a nature of the subtraction process.
The second reminder here, it is something experimental and you shouldn't take it so seriously.
Coordinates
Stears7(with-Iranic),0.074558218,-0.037451813,0.007139914,0.014199112,-0.000225688,0.026861356,0.003808302,0.023094192,-0.01676256,-0.074111435,-0.03740385,-0.03387444,0.033562496,0.028721458,0.051693278,0.0 37058544,0.077355879,-0.013538159,-0.073328487,0.011866324,-0.012106622,0.032498899,-0.029543114,0.054208815,0.086301323
Stears8(Turkic-Focused),0.067540624,-0.079047751,0.042455218,0.026791816,0.02657575,0.0 34141808,0.002884402,0.031484589,-0.007760747,-0.091890247,-0.0457038,-0.044816253,0.049011661,0.042790944,0.064400371,0. 042295726,0.101837172,-0.019908879,-0.091863649,0.020032099,-0.014977495,0.047948199,-0.035652152,0.075090087,0.106566097
Can you give me the coordinates that u used on Stears with that model Germanic, Native, and Slavic so that i can try it out myself :)
Luke35
03-21-2020, 11:45 PM
Kaspias, that was the coolest thing ever. Thanks for detailing your process!!!
Kaspias
03-22-2020, 12:36 PM
Can you give me the coordinates that u used on Stears with that model Germanic, Native, and Slavic so that i can try it out myself :)
Here!
Slavic:HUN_Avar_Szolad:Av2,0.134311,0.126941,0.081 458,0.065569,0.035391,0.033746,0.00987,0.005769,0. 004704,-0.02278,-0.002436,-0.005395,0.01219,0.020643,-0.015201,-0.003845,0.005867,0.004561,0.008673,5e-04,0.001497,-0.00272,0.013804,-0.007109,0.002634
Germanic:DEU_MA,0.1223596,0.1303939,0.061169,0.048 773,0.039792,0.0199408,0.010975,0.0052151,0.001329 5,-0.0024966,-0.003735,0.001109,-0.0091576,-0.0038398,0.0161643,-0.0008352,-0.0133511,0.0032684,0.0041354,0.0040271,0.0060019, 0.0037342,-0.0007273,0.011146,-0.0004429
Native:Scythian_MDA,0.1189452,0.1210172,0.0215587,-0.0114665,0.0141048,-0.003951,0.0019977,-0.0041152,-0.0018065,0.021018,0.0008122,0.0028475,-0.0096877,-0.0022708,-0.0063108,0.0022098,0.00452,0.0035473,0.0094065,-0.0026263,-0.008298,0.0063063,-0.0011503,0.002149,0.0005985
Native:HUN_MA_Szolad_o1,0.120652,0.167562,0.012822 ,-0.045866,0.035391,-0.022869,-0.00047,-0.000923,0.001023,0.045559,0.007145,0.01079,-0.013528,0.007844,-0.014115,-0.018297,-0.003129,0.003421,0.008547,-0.016258,-0.010232,0.003462,0.005793,0.007832,0.001317
Iranic:TKM_Gonur3_BA,0.095611,0.087336,-0.098806,-0.023579,-0.08063,0.00502,0.00658,-0.002077,-0.043768,-0.020775,-0.012504,-0.001049,-0.012785,-0.013487,0.013572,0.021347,0.003912,0.005574,-0.017723,-0.012631,-0.003494,-0.013849,-0.011216,-0.008435,0.025507
Turkic:MNG_Xiong_Nu_Central_Asian,0.0700015,-0.147252,0.034318,0.043605,-0.0472395,0.0111555,-0.000235,0.0011535,-0.0174865,-0.0212305,-0.0135595,-0.0051705,0.00052,-0.0146565,0.0166255,0.007027,-0.010496,0.0036105,0.001257,-0.0034395,-0.0159715,0.005997,0.0085655,0.000181,0.005748
Turkic:KAZ_Turk,0.0774,-0.0873355,0.0254555,0.0150195,-0.025543,0.00251,0.0048175,0.0077305,-0.0172825,-0.009385,-0.019568,-0.0029225,-0.0030475,-0.010735,0.0007465,0.0057675,-0.00013,0.001457,0.003331,0.000438,-0.005116,0.0059355,-0.005608,-0.0006025,0.002874
17571imre
03-22-2020, 12:45 PM
thats looks pretty accurate for me given the fact that im 1/4 Dutch and it looks also very good for my mother. Thanks Kaspias great work.
Target: MH_scaled
Distance: 1.9072% / 0.01907213
37.8 Slavic
37.4 Native
22.4 Germanic
2.4 Iranic
my mothers results:
Target: CB
Distance: 2.4904% / 0.02490443
51.0 Slavic
42.6 Native
4.0 Germanic
2.4 Turkic
Luke35
03-22-2020, 01:06 PM
Target: Mr.G_scaled
Distance: 1.7171% / 0.01717132
51.6 Germanic
31.2 Native
16.6 Slavic
0.6 Iranic
Hungarian side, isolated by the one and only Kaspias.
Target: MrG-dad_scaled
Distance: 2.5574% / 0.02557424
41.8 Native
28.0 Slavic
25.6 Germanic
3.4 Iranic
1.2 Turkic
17571imre
03-22-2020, 02:14 PM
Target: Mr.G_scaled
Distance: 1.7171% / 0.01717132
51.6 Germanic
31.2 Native
16.6 Slavic
0.6 Iranic
Hungarian side, isolated by the one and only Kaspias.
Target: MrG-dad_scaled
Distance: 2.5574% / 0.02557424
41.8 Native
28.0 Slavic
25.6 Germanic
3.4 Iranic
1.2 Turkic
that one also looks great for you.
intrested to see what other Hungarians get.
Luke35
03-22-2020, 02:50 PM
that one also looks great for you.
intrested to see what other Hungarians get.
Agreed.
It seems my Hungarian side has German admixture near the average amount for Hungarians from Hungary. This is most likely old admix, as there is no Germans/Danube Swabian in my Hungarian side back as far as I can trace (150 years).
Luke35
03-22-2020, 03:26 PM
that one also looks great for you.
intrested to see what other Hungarians get.
Beside you (and your mom), me, Stears, does any other Hungarian/part Hungarian member have G25 coordinates? Here is Stears using the Kaspias model:
Target: Stears_scaled
Distance: 1.2439% / 0.01243878
47.8 Slavic
21.4 Native
19.4 Germanic
7.0 Iranic
4.4 Turkic
Dunai
03-29-2020, 11:45 AM
Beside you (and your mom), me, Stears, does any other Hungarian/part Hungarian member have G25 coordinates? Here is Stears using the Kaspias model:
Target: Stears_scaled
Distance: 1.2439% / 0.01243878
47.8 Slavic
21.4 Native
19.4 Germanic
7.0 Iranic
4.4 Turkic
Your prayers have been answered :D
Using the Kaspias model:
Target: Dunai_scaled
Distance: 2.2238% / 0.02223779
36.6 Slavic
30.2 Native
29.0 Germanic
4.2 Turkic
So does this basically tell me from what Medieval populations I get my Hungarian ancestry from?
Edit: what does the Native represent, what early population?
17571imre
03-29-2020, 01:47 PM
Your prayers have been answered :D
Using the Kaspias model:
Target: Dunai_scaled
Distance: 2.2238% / 0.02223779
36.6 Slavic
30.2 Native
29.0 Germanic
4.2 Turkic
So does this basically tell me from what Medieval populations I get my Hungarian ancestry from?
Edit: what does the Native represent, what early population?
nice results! and i think the native stands for the people who already lived there before the migrations came. but im not sure.
maybe other non Hungarians can also show their results? would be intrested to see.
Luke35
03-29-2020, 02:23 PM
Your prayers have been answered :D
Using the Kaspias model:
Target: Dunai_scaled
Distance: 2.2238% / 0.02223779
36.6 Slavic
30.2 Native
29.0 Germanic
4.2 Turkic
So does this basically tell me from what Medieval populations I get my Hungarian ancestry from?
Edit: what does the Native represent, what early population?
Fantastic! Look forward to seeing how you shake out on the many, many G25 calcs!
This is what Kaspias says about the populations used in the model:
'Modeled him by using Avar_Szolad:Av2 for Slavic, DEU_MA for Germanic, Hun_MA_Szolad_o1 and Scythian_MDA for Native.(Transdanubia=MA_Szolad_o1, Szekely=Scythian_MDA)..'
Don't really know anything about those samples, but I assumed what Imre did, that native represents the pre-migration pannonian population.
Those samples which are labeled as native are genetically Paleo-Balkan.
Dunai
03-29-2020, 03:07 PM
Those samples which are labeled as native are genetically Paleo-Balkan.
Interesting, so Paleo-Balkan encompassed also the Pannonian Plain? It makes sense in the way that Pannonians were Illyrians that got Romanized (Italic element), however besides them, also Germanic (Ostrogoths, Gepids, Lombards), Slavic and Turkic-Mongolic (Huns, Avars) have settled there. I doubt they haven't left their genetic print on the natives. The Magyars have settled upon a much more mixed population than just a homogeneous Paleo-Balkanic one.
Interesting, so Paleo-Balkan encompassed also the Pannonian Plain? It makes sense in the way that Pannonians were Illyrians that got Romanized (Italic element), however besides them, also Germanic (Ostrogoths, Gepids, Lombards), Slavic and Turkic-Mongolic (Huns, Avars) have settled there. I doubt they haven't left their genetic print on the natives. The Magyars have settled upon a much more mixed population than just a homogeneous Paleo-Balkanic one.
Yes, based on archeogenetic data it seems that genetically Paleo-Balkanite population lived as far north as modern-day Hungary and Republic of Moldova. :)
It explains Balkan input in modern Hungarians and Moldovans, despite both countries do not lie in SE Europe geographically.
17571imre
03-29-2020, 03:21 PM
Yes, based on archeogenetic data it seems that genetically Paleo-Balkanite population lived as far north as modern-day Hungary and Republic of Moldova. :)
It explains Balkan input in modern Hungarians and Moldovans, despite both countries do not lie in SE Europe geographically.
what results do you get with this calculator Feiichy ?
Dunai
03-29-2020, 03:24 PM
Yes, based on archeogenetic data it seems that genetically Paleo-Balkanite population lived as far north as modern-day Hungary and Republic of Moldova. :)
It explains Balkan input in modern Hungarians and Moldovans, despite both countries do not lie in SE Europe geographically.
Yeah, so I have about a third from each of the main pre-Magyar populations of the Carpathian Basin, Germanic, Paleo-Balkan, Slavic and a little bit of the the Turkic one. Now I wonder if can anyone make a calculator to determine how much Modern Hungarians inherited from the Magyar Conquerors. I bet it's not easy to maintain a sort of scientific requirement for it.
what results do you get with this calculator Feiichy ?
Target: Feiichy_scaled
Distance: 3.2427% / 0.03242701
56.6 Slavic
43.4 Native
Yeah, so I have about a third from each of the main pre-Magyar populations of the Carpathian Basin, Germanic, Paleo-Balkan, Slavic and a little bit of the the Turkic one. Now I wonder if can anyone make a calculator to determine how much Modern Hungarians inherited from the Magyar Conquerors. I bet it's not easy to maintain a sort of scientific requirement for it.
We can use modern Bashkirs and Siberian Tatars to measure conqueror related ancestry because Magyars were closest to these two.
Dunai
03-29-2020, 07:04 PM
We can use modern Bashkirs and Siberian Tatars to measure conqueror related ancestry because Magyars were closest to these two.
According to a 2016 mtDNA study these populations should also be included:
"We found genetic similarities of the conquerors with the Late Bronze Age population of the Baraba region, situated between the rivers Ob and Irtis, and with Bronze Age and Iron Age populations that lived in Central Asia and south Siberia. Comparing the conqueror mtDNA dataset to a large modern-day population dataset, we also found comprehensive genetic affinities towards modern populations of Central Asia and Central Russia. The parallels of these Asian haplogroups are found in modern ethnic groups speaking both Ugric and Turkic languages."
Luke35
03-29-2020, 07:17 PM
I assume, regarding the Kaspias model we all used above, the conqueror DNA would be represented by the Iranic/Turkic. We can ask him if this is a fair characterization.
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